Each Saturday a rag-tag group of Israel-bashers, consisting mostly of a combination of communists and self-loathing Jews, continue to protest in front of the Le Marcheur shoe on St. Denis street in Montreal, despite the fact that the continued 'action' has blown up rather poetically in their faces.
The demonstration has become a circus and is now attracting yahoos, including fascist Jean-Roch Villemaire the separatist/anti-immigration activist who was convicted last year for attacks against anglos. Link
It seems that when it comes to Israel-bashing both communists and fascists find common ground in Quebec! Read: L'extrême droite avec l'extrême gauche?(fr)
(A shout out to PIERRE F. for the heads-up)
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LATE BREAKING NEWS!!!!
Late
yesterday PAJU has called a temporary halt to their boycott due to,
according to them, facists joining their numbers. This blog piece
already made reference to Jean-Roch Villemaire and his MNRQ group joining the boycott.... LINK
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Last week, politicians of all political stripes dropped by the Boutique to offer support including Conservatives Steven Blaney and Rudy Husny, Liberals Marc Garneau and Marlene Jennings, Provincial Liberal Lawrence Bergman, ADQ members,Gérard Deltell and François Bonnardel as well as the PQ's Martin Lemay.
It's patently clear in which direction the political winds are blowing. It seems that politicians of all parties (except Quebec solidaire) want to get in on the anti-boycott bandwagon.
For enemies of Mr. Khadir, it's the boycott that keeps giving!
Let me quickly refresh your memory as to the events leading up to this post.
Mr. Khadir, a radical separatist/socialist/communist member of Quebec's Parliament and the lone representative of the like-minded Quebec Solidaire party participated in a boycott demonstration in front of a Montreal independent shoe store that sold a small amount of Israeli made shoes.
Mr. Khadir handed out flyers encouraging clients not to shop in the store until it stopped selling the aforementioned shoes.
His participation in that boycott against the merchant blew up in his face as the media objected to a sitting member of Parliament participating in a boycott of a small Quebecois merchant, who had broken no laws. At first, Mr. Khadir made the mistake of defending his actions which proved to be a huge mistake which he likely regrets.
In reaction to all this, a concerted effort led by conservative journalist Eric Duhaime is afoot to expose, humiliate and denigrate the hitherto popular Khadir, something that has blindsided the usually media-savvy Khadir.
For Mr. Khadir, a quick apology and an admission that his presence at the protest was a mistake would have neatly defused the negative impact of his actions.
After all, everyone makes mistakes and Mr. Khadir's popularity was such that he could easily have withstood a small error in judgment.
Like Martha Stewart and Conrad Black, celebrities who thought they could brazen it out, they are often punished with a barrel of hurt when they fail to acknowledge a misdeed.
And so Mr. Khadir continues to be pilloried.
He first defended his position by reminding all who would listen that Jimmy Carter and Desmond Tutu both have called Israel an Apartheid State, but when the attacks became personally directed at himself, he characterized himself a victim of the "Israeli Lobby"
And so Mr. Khadir is now telling us the Mr. Duhaime, Mr. Dutrizac, Mr. Martineau, his chief detractors in the francophone press (all respected journalists) are part of that international Jewish conspiracy!
Mr. Khadir is fighting back because the attacks have become utterly vicious. In a radio interview with Benoît Dutrizac, the journalist railed against Mr. Khadir without any pretense of respect, treating him like trash and demanding that Khadir call off the PAJU dogs.
Khadir defended himself saying he has no control over the group, but Dutrizac reminded him that his father was front and center demonstrating, to which Khadir answered that he was "not his father's keeper" What fun!
At the end of the interview, Dutrizac actually tells Khadir that he hopes the demonstrators get attacked. Listen to the interview(fr)
The issue has neatly veered away from the Israeli question, to the ethics of a sitting member of Parliament boycotting a small law-abiding merchant and realizing where the debate was going, Mr. Khadir, now in full damage control (too little, too late)
He publicly asked for a meeting with the merchant to smooth things over, but the merchant told reporters that Mr. Khadir, notwithstanding what he was now saying, did indeed tell customers not to shop in his store and that he didn't see any point in meeting with Mr. Khadir.
On the Quebec solidaire web site Khadir attempted to rewrite history.
"Contrary to what has beeen told, I don't believe in a boycott of this store, but a boycott of the Israeli products" LinkA few days ago ultra-conservative journalist Eric Duhaime exposed Mr. Khadir's revisionist view of his actions.
Appearing on Mario Dumont's television shoe, Mr. Duhaime destroyed Mr. Khadir's assertion that he never told clients not to shop in the store, by offering up a picture of Mr. Khadir handing out flyers that explicitly called for a boycott of the store, not the shoes. Touché!
He then reminded viewers that Jimmy Carter had actually apologized and asked forgiveness of the Jewish community for his 'apartheid' remarks.
As for Desmond Tutu, Mr Duhaime also told viewers that the anti-apartheid cleric appears to see apartheid everywhere, even in Canada, referring to our treatment of natives.As I would have noted at Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, but which is appropriate at any time of the year, I offer an Al Het for any words or deeds of mine that may have done so."- Jimmy Carter"Al Het" refers to the Yom Kippur prayer asking God forgiveness for sins committed against Him. In modern Hebrew it refers to any plea for forgiveness. LINK
Mr. Tutu also appears to be a fan of all 'underdogs,' including the 9/11 terrorists.
"He explained (Tutu) that the hijackers had been “willing to pilot a plane and go to their deaths” because they were making a desperate plea for relief from the “poverty, hunger, and disease” that plagued the people of their homelands"Link
Mr. Martineau quoted the professor as saying that as a Zionist, he reserves the right to criticize the Israeli government, but does not support a movement that seeks to dismantle Israel, not reform it.
Francois David, leader of Quebec solidaire party sensed the danger to her party and has tried to end the controversy by declaring that Mr. Khadir had made a mistake and that the issue was now closed. Perhaps Quebec Solidaire's position supporting the boycott made her a bit uncomfortable.
But others are not letting things go.
Mr. Khadir has still not acknowledged his mistake or apologized.
As long as the demonstrations continue, Khadir will be blamed and will continue to live a public relations nightmare. The condemnation is such, that not even his usual defenders in the Clique du Plateau or Radio-Canada dare speak out in his defence.
The longer it goes on and criticism of Khadir rages in the media, the harder it will be to shake off the political fallout. Opinions are being re-shaped.
I previously told you that Khadir was invincible in the Plateau Mont-Royal riding.
That may be changing.
Further reading.....:
This guy will vanish within 5 years.
ReplyDeleteProbably less, 2-3 years max.
ReplyDeleteKhadir is doomed.....like QS.
ReplyDeleteTo be honest we need Quebec Solidaire to cut the PQ votebank. Need Quebec to have such a fractured political electorate, that no party can have simple minority, without the minorties (anglos/allos). (even though Liberals of PQ take them for granted)
ReplyDeleteLet's not forget Mr. Tshibain Tshibungu who was there last Saturday in support of Mr Archambeault. A boycott supporter told him, "«Puis en plus, t'es pas de la même couleur que moi, ha, ha...»"
ReplyDeleteAh the irony of cretins...
http://fr.canoe.ca/infos/societe/archives/2011/01/20110123-032100.html
Editor,
ReplyDeleteDid you just write that Richard Martineau was a RESPECTED journalist? Are you serious?
Seeing the peaceful rally in Montreal to support protesting Egyptians. There's a fine opportunity for Khadir to show support but that's crazy talk.
ReplyDeleteEveryone wants something... The Jewish people are now after the Palestinians ! Egypt is tired to live without freedom and in poverty. The tear gas bombs the public had was made in USA !Libany, Jordany are in the same cahos.
ReplyDeleteWell, Quebec is not at this point yet, but people have enough to live under pressure. And this is why you should learn: live and let live.
The Anglos of Quebec are minorities and will stay that way.
History repeats itself and will not be under a lid because of this site.
> The tear gas bombs the public had was made in USA
ReplyDeleteHow right is it to paint the entire Anglosphere with one brush?
Just as helicopter gunships and cluster bombs are U.S.-made technologies, so are the Internet, Twitter, and Facebook. These latter technologies are the very ones that that the protesters and self-proclaimed “revolutionaries” in various countries use to stay one step ahead of their own repressive police and military apparatuses.
Here’s a thought: the same country that overthrew Saddam Hussein was the one that put him there.
> Egypt is tired to live without freedom and in poverty […] Quebec is not at this point yet, but people have enough to live under pressure.
> History repeats itself and will not be under a lid because of this site.
If nothing is done sooner or later, I’ll bet that the repressive linguistic, political, and ideological mind control that is slowly impoverishing our people will eventually lead to a revolution similar in scope to the one that ousted our former brainwashers and oppressors – the Quebec Catholic Church.
> And this is why you should learn: live and let live
I agree. Montreal WANTS to be bilingual. Quebec NEEDS to be bilingual. We desperately have to tear down this wall of isolation that our language laws have put up around our people. Quebecers have a right to be free, to learn and communicate in the language of the continent around them. Otherwise, the peddlers of nationalist snake oil will continue having the ability to divorce us from our continental and international reality.
> The Anglos of Quebec are minorities and will stay that way.
Try looking farther than the tip of your own nose. We francophones in Quebec are also a minority and will also stay that way.
> Khadir is doomed.....like QS.
Quebec electoral logic might dictate otherwise.
> To be honest we need Quebec Solidaire to cut the PQ votebank. Need Quebec to have such a fractured political electorate, that no party can have simple minority, without the minorties (anglos/allos). (even though Liberals of PQ take them for granted)
We also need to reform the map and the rules. Mergers and coalitions are always possible.
‘Well, Quebec is not at this point yet, but people have enough to live under pressure. And this is why you should learn: live and let live. The Anglos of Quebec are minorities and will stay that way. History repeats itself and will not be under a lid because of this site.
ReplyDeletePromote the Quebecois language and culture; don’t protect it from evil phantom forces. Quebecois language protectionism encourages the apprehensive feeling among Francophones that their language and culture is ‘threatened ‘and under attack. The Quebecois language militants frequently use words of war to describe their plight in Canada/North America. To achieve their divisive goals, they know that a siege mentality is necessary and that it prepares the Quebecois to accept and endorse any draconian measures that their leader propose to ensure the survival of their people. The mind control and mental indoctrination happened slowly and insidiously, until one day they unanimously agreed that stripping ‘the others’ of their language rights was imperative, and a line that they could cross. Once the nationalist militants (and the rest of the Quebecois) saw their belligerence essentially go unchallenged, they pushed further. The militants began to openly talk about the possibility of further curtailing the rights of ‘the others’. Ominous threats of Quebecois retribution are not uncommon in Quebec.
Many people make the comparison between German nationalism (Nazism) and Quebecois nationalism. I think most people do this with the understanding that the two are not the same in degree, but similar in kind. The hallmark signs are there, and Canadians should be concerned. There’s a reason Jews say ‘never again’. There is no telling how far Quebec nationalism could go. Canadians need to take a stand against the tyranny of Quebecois nationalism before it’s too late. No more appeasement.
This lecture is pertinent to what is going on in Quebec and is definitely food for thought. I think Americans because of their hard earned independence, under better than Canadians, the need for constant vigilance when it comes to the protection of basic rights.
NO, I WILL NOT COMPLY! PERIOD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbNIU2KEz4g&feature=related
To Aparatchit with his tomahawk :
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Useless to rewrite everything you wrote, dear friend ! Bulls eye again...
- in Quebec the churches are empty, for a good reason (do you really know them, as it isn't your business at all ?). Even if people have faith in God, the politics of the catholic church are at this point rejected. Even for the hypocrits anglicans who are facing a schism with homosexuality and marriage, priesthood and gender. Anglican Church attendance is no longer the same. Buildings are financially in trouble and the church is playing bingo, parties, tea and strawberries hour, every time they can.
- You are wrong. Montreal doesn't need to be bilingual. They all speak English already, voyons! (it's you who are and will remain always : one way street)they (le Québec) want and need to be French only, OK!.
The proof is : they vacation in Florida, New England a lot. Does that tell you something Mr. Anglais from English Canada! Perhaps you should start to feel guilty! hey ! hey ! hey !
Their roots are from France, réfléchissez et ne me faites pas retourner à des études que vous n'avez pas faites. Lisez avant de me dire le contraire....
To the Anonymous at 4:25 with the madcaps
I am responding to his very different topics :
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- If the anglos are feeling threatened by a language, tell me, why is this ? something is wrong with their learning abilities ? hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! English Canada won't hold your hand here... they are living somewhere else. hello !!!!!!!!!!
-Your written language shows too much vulnerability : may be you should be in a hospital! an English hospital. Go to Royal Victoria in Montreal, it is an excellent one and they have a full mental health wing. You will be served in English, but you will have to stop bitching about the French there.... OK!
- as far as USA they have a lot of interesting policies regarding jobs, economy, freedom of the individuals, but when it comes to politics... I disagree strongly with you. They are in the business of Imperialism which I believe is wrong. They are living the wars they once fought for, in order to have their freedom and their independence day! (perhaps their role should be realign with United Nations)
- Canada cannot swing in full action to Eng /Fr or Fr/Eng for the Province of Quebec. First of all Acte du Quebec in 1774, Bill 101 etc...
Wile English Canada is busy repopulating with immigrants in English (and not so well) Quebec is doing the same in French only. Good for them. They are protecting their roots, not the British take-over. Anyway that British take-over will come to an end. Times are different and if a country like Egypt is in cahos, which is the rapport with a bigger French Revolution, Quebec will be free from all the nonsense it is suffering from and stoning from people who wants English only.
Les gens ont procédé à la dénazification suite à 1945, alors le Quebec pourra redevenir français d'abord, et se sentir chez eux. Cela se fera, d'ailleurs le Québec et l'AMNB est un acte qui sera à reprendre pour le Canada, car il n'est pas fonctionnel.
Je prédis que le Québec sera comme avant l'invasion anglaise, la conquête. Les temps ont changé et cette conquête ne veut plus rien dire. Les mondes de l'est et de l'ouest canadiens sont trop différents. Ce site en est la preuve. D'ailleurs l'Angleterre n'a jamais rien à dire (l'Australie avec ses troubles actuels par exemple).
Le Quebec est libre, mais un jour il se libérera de ceux qui ne l'apprécient pas.
Dieu et mon droit ! was the motto taken by Charles V, but he didn't conquer France the pretentious bastard even if he was married to the lovely Catherine de Valois, la belle de France dead at the age of 36...
Les Québécois ne veulent pas des Amerlocs, pas plus que des anglophones unilingues. Qu'est-ce que c'est que cette merde !
ReplyDelete"NO, I WILL NOT COMPLY! PERIOD"
Sortez du Canada français, point à la ligne.
En français s.v.p.
"Ominous threats of Quebecois retribution are not uncommon in Quebec."
ReplyDeleteGet some common sense. They want to be at home, with people who will let them be that way.
They don't want to be near asswholes who are writing here "No, I will not comply!" I can imagine who you are behaving.... no, we won't put up with people like you. End of Canada.
I think your food for thoughts are a lot of Ontario donuts buddy !
ReplyDeleteGo flush your toilet somewhere else than in Quebec.
They protect their language and you don't like it, too bad! move to Egypt, they will give you a little scone of their own.
> in Quebec the churches are empty, for a good reason
ReplyDelete> Even if people have faith in God, the politics of the catholic church are at this point rejected
Yeah. French-Canadians got fed up with being brainwashed and exploited by the institution that kept telling them it was their defining identity marker. Pretty soon, we francophones will do the same with the language fundamentalists pretending to be our modern-day messiahs. Only then will Quebec be free.
> do you really know them, as it isn't your business at all ?
How does a practicing Christian not know churches?
> Even for the hypocrits anglicans who are facing a schism with homosexuality and marriage, priesthood and gender. Anglican Church attendance is no longer the same.
All traditionally White Christian ethnic groups are seeing their numbers drop. By the way, certain (obviously non-Evangelical) liberal Protestant denominations seem to be more open to homosexuality and women ministers. Our Church, with the pedophile priest scandals and all, only recently said it’s fine to be gay as long as you don’t act on it…
> Buildings are financially in trouble and the church is playing bingo, parties, tea and strawberries hour, every time they can.
Quebec is financially dependent on transfer payments and our government and media have spent the last half century telling us it’s more important to develop a French ghetto in North America than a province that is financially prosperous FIRST and proud of its history and culture SECOND. I say to hell with all that stupidity; I need to eat before I need to think about what language I’m “happier” speaking...
> Montreal doesn't need to be bilingual. They all speak English already, voyons!
That’s a good start, but that’s not where it ends. Montreal’s status as a distinct bilingual society within Quebec needs to be recognized by the Government of Quebec and codified so that it can be protected from BOTH fundamentalist franco-supremacist language legislation as well as exclusive and assimilationist anglo exceptionalism.
> (it's you who are and will remain always : one way street)they (le Québec) want and need to be French only, OK!.
Quebec needs to put itself on the market and accept the language of the people it does business with. The English fact needs to be just as respected and protected as part of our common treasure as the French fact does.
> The proof is : they vacation in Florida, New England a lot.
ReplyDeleteThey frequent their own continent but they don’t integrate. That behavior is no better or different than the West Island Rhodesians you rightly vilify for refusing to integrate within Quebec society. Come to think of it, you’re right: IT DOES GO BOTH WAYS.
> Does that tell you something Mr. Anglais from English Canada!
> Their roots are from France, réfléchissez et ne me faites pas retourner à des études que vous n'avez pas faites. Lisez avant de me dire le contraire....
Coudonc…?!?!? De quoi tu parles, tarla? J’habite Montréal depuis que je suis né. Je suis un Montréalais, Québécois, et Canadien multilingue et fier de l’être. J’ai des racines ici vieilles de plus de 300 ans. J’en ai d’autres post-1760, et encore d’autres du 20e siècle. You don’t understand because you have neither lived nor seen the entire situation from ALL the angles. I have. And I’ve come to realize the importance of encouraging the incredible balance of what we DO have, and not just to favor ONE identity.
Protesting for the sake of protesting is a waste of time and energy. If we need to agitate for French language rights and protection, I say we go do it for the francophone communities in Canada who genuinely ARE on life support and NEED our help.
> USA they have a lot of interesting policies […] but when it comes to politics […] They are in the business of Imperialism which I believe is wrong.
How are we not being just as imperialistic now that we’ve had our Quiet Revolution and francophones are actually treated like human beings? What is the purpose of converting our legitimate struggle into agitation and propaganda whose only real purpose seems to be to blackmail and extort our Federal government and sucker our neighbors for their poor Energy choices?
> Wile English Canada is busy repopulating with immigrants in English (and not so well) Quebec is doing the same in French only
You’re delirious and talk from both sides of your mouth. Either the immigrants we’ve been choosing by ourselves since 1991 are a threat or they aren’t. Enough with the scaremongering “Montréal s’anglicise” crap. If the immigrants choose to attend English Cegep it’s because they realize they need to eat before they can dictate policy to others. Unlike you, they’re not just in Quebec, they know they’re in North America. And unlike your kind, they’re happily learning and using the language, alongside French.
> Anyway that British take-over will come to an end.
NEWS FLASH: the British takeover ended over 200 years ago. We capitulated. Our gold-digging mother was more interested in Caribbean sugarcane than in her own children. I don’t blame you for not getting that memo, since quite a few people in this province actively work to erase history from our books, collective memory, and re-enactments so that they can successfully promote their own revisionist fiction.
> Times are different and if a country like Egypt is in cahos, which is the rapport with a bigger French Revolution, Quebec will be free from all the nonsense it is suffering from […]
ReplyDeleteCanada isn’t run by one party. Since 1981 we have had not one, but SEVEN people heading our government. Four of those seven were from Quebec.
> Quebec will be free from all the nonsense it is suffering from and stoning from people who wants English only.
I personally advocate a serious commitment to sustainable bilingualism, and find the unilinguals on any side of this argument are hurting themselves. And I sincerely hope they see the light one day.
But your comment is extremely disturbing. Are YOU seriously advocating extrajudicial punishment and specifically in the form of lapidation to be carried out against unarmed citizens who don’t subscribe to your political values? Would you like to explain this in greater detail? Remember, uttering death threats on the Internet isn’t any less serious than it is in real life.
> Les gens ont procédé à la dénazification suite à 1945
Faut quand même pas exagérer. La dénazification a eu comme objet d’éradiquer de la place publique les symboles et institutions de l’idéologie nazie qui avait eu comme effet de mettre le pays (et le monde entier) en état de guerre. SVP ne pas faire allègrement allusion à l’époque nazie et SVP éviter de faire des comparaisons souvent trop faciles avec tout autre conflit historique. Cela serait peu respectueux envers ceux qui ont réellement souffert beaucoup plus que nous prétendons le faire.
> […] alors le Quebec pourra redevenir français d'abord, et se sentir chez eux.
Qu’est-ce qui fait qu’on puisse ou doive vouloir renverser les effets d’un événement historique et pas un autre? Les amérindiens, je suppose, voudraient bien que ces impérialistes blancs qui pillent leur terre ancestrale depuis 1492 s’en aillent un jour. Pourquoi ne pas leur accorder ce même respect?
> l'AMNB est un acte qui sera à reprendre pour le Canada, car il n'est pas fonctionnel.
Arrête de boire. C’est bien l’AANB auquel tu fais référence. La loi constitutionnelle de 1867 n’est pas la seule qui régit le cadre constitutionnel de notre pays. Et pour affirmer qu’une chose n’est pas fonctionnelle, il faut bien être capable d’expliquer en quoi un document qui nous traite d’égal à égal avec le reste du pays est un échec et non pas un succès.
> Je prédis que le Québec sera comme avant l'invasion anglaise, la conquête. Les temps ont changé et cette conquête ne veut plus rien dire.
> Je prédis que le Québec sera comme avant l'invasion anglaise, la conquête. Les temps ont changé et cette conquête ne veut plus rien dire.
ReplyDeleteAlors après avoir tout fait pour « effacer » fictivement un jalon très important de notre livre d’histoire commune car elle ne sied pas avec leurs idéologies folkloriques, nos incroyables historiens séparatistes ont réussi à te faire croire que l’événement qui a effectivement eu comme résultat de donner un continent entier aux anglais ne veut plus rien dire? WOW.
Tu sais, on rit des Américains quand ils refusent d’enseigner l’évolution dans leurs écoles, préférant d’enseigner uniquement le créationnisme aux élèves de niveau primaire sous prétexte de « protéger » leur « héritage chrétien ». Ta délusion est tellement semblable à la leur j’en reviens vraiment pas…
> Les mondes de l'est et de l'ouest canadiens sont trop différents. Ce site en est la preuve.
On mange, on boit, on chie, on se fait chier. Pas tellement différent. C’est pas parce que je jetterai un coup d’œil à TLMEP plus tard que je suis tellement différent d’un Hindou à Vancouver. Alors qu’on arrête de se faire accroire.
> Le Quebec est libre, mais un jour il se libérera de ceux qui ne l'apprécient pas.
Ainsi soit-il. J’espère qu’on sera libre autant de notre droite nationaliste que de notre gauche économique. Les deux sont insoutenables et ne donnent plus rien de bénéfique aux Québécois.
> Sortez du Canada français, point à la ligne.
Qui est-ce qui t’a nommé doorman? On est TOUS citoyens. On a tous le droit d’être là, n’en déplaise à des extrémistes comme toi qui songent à nous transformer en parc d’attractions francosuprême où tous les non-francos se soumettent à nos mille et un caprices. Point à la ligne. Faut bien finir par apprendre que c’est pas à cause que nos accointances péquistes jappent plus fort qu’ils ont raison.
> move to Egypt, they will give you a little scone of their own.
Side comment: somehow our Québécois toilet humor doesn’t translate very well. At least not the way you put it. I picture Parizeau trying to sound more British than the Queen. He might have the accent but not the sarcasm.
"Sortez du Canada français, "
ReplyDeleteThere is no such entity as a French Canada. This country has two official languages.
Get in your Delorean and go back to where you came from.
We don't care about your historical differences with the English Empire of a century ago. We moved to Canada, not Quebec, and we will speak English because it's our Canadian right to do so.
So stop trolling and flapping your lips about things that will never happen.
Not only are we here to stay, we are changing the demographics of this province every year.
For everything you cherish as a Quebecer, from your Vachon cakes, to the Habs, always remember that they've been brought to you by an Anglophone or an Allophone.
The only thing leaving this province, even if slowly, is the anachronistic racist footnote that you represent.
“I personally advocate a serious commitment to sustainable bilingualism”
ReplyDeleteI personally advocate that the state adapts to the language the people want to speak, instead of expecting that the people adapt to a language/languages the state chooses for them on account of some political “compromise”.
“That behavior is no better or different than the West Island Rhodesians you rightly vilify for refusing to integrate within Quebec society.”
Apples and oranges. 1 million people who have 340 million of their brethren practically in their backyard shouldn’t be expected to integrate with a minority of 6 million, even if they have a misfortune of living in a jurisdiction where the 6 million minority wields political power. In contrast, the 6 million minority should feel at least some responsibility and pressure towards learning the language of 340 million people that surround them, and live amongst them.
The fact that it is the other way around (the 6 million live in a virtual reality created for them by their manipulative “elites” while the 1 million “Rhodesians” have been successfully pressured over the years into learning French) shows how messed up Canada is because of Quebec. And yet it keeps sending it 8 billion $ a year. What a joke.
How much longer will it be before Canada holds its own referendum. Do we keep Quebec? Yes / No?
I used to think like Adski in terms of bilinguilism, but I changed my mind. Why ? Because the Anglos cannot commit to their part of the deal. The are monocultural and unilingual. So this is a quite hypocritical bilinguism. It's been happening since too long, people know it.
ReplyDeleteSorry the deal will have to be different.
Appartitchit you are a Pure Laine, and a farmer, from your vocabulary. Somehow you are not proud of your history, and you cannot defend your rights. Perhaps a windbag. You are without knowledgeable arguments and you show a lack of education -- which is adamant in your French as well. You are trying to play the big leagues and you can't fit.
ReplyDeleteThe Anonymous doesn't make sense either. He despises Quebec, while he makes a living there. Perhaps on the wellfare, you seem to write too often. Something is not honest with you Mr. Anonymous. Your French is poor, you made 9 mistakes in 5 words.
Ces gens sont mal éduqués, tutoient avec grossièreté, sont polissons, ne présentent aucun fait réel. Vous êtes en général des dévoyés, sans ressources ni futur. Alors taisez-vous, car vous n'apportez rien à personne et vous n'êtes pas intéressants, vous reniez notre histoire pour n'en faire qu'un jeu qui vous plaît. Triste histoire, que d'être un gratte-cul comme vous autres. Ha! Ha!
Vous dites des choses qui ne font aucun sens, absolument aucun, mais aucun sens.
Lorsque des gens comme vous veulent la lune, le bilinguisme, l'anglais seulement deux secondes plus tard, il est temps de se débarrasser de la veille peau du Canada....
Yes, we are messed up because of you, more to the west they are already out, you are always late in the news, and take a vicious pleasure to blame us, with your average skills (your interest are in sports and computers English folks!)
You are the end of the lowest denominator Quebec doesn't need. Au revoir ! Nous sommes heureux entre nous.
I agree with Anonymous vs. Adski. Statistics are not a solution. This is an empty way of thinking social issues.
ReplyDeleteThis is not the Beagle, Quebec won't change. French Quebec will never reverse to English, as there are enough in there already.... you will get your d..k cut off.
‘Because the Anglos cannot commit to their part of the deal. The are monocultural and unilingual’.
ReplyDeleteAbsolute mythical nonsense; more and more Anglos have committed to their part of the deal. More Anglos than ever speak French and the trend continues. Meanwhile the Quebec government does everything it can to restrict access to English education, so Francophones can’t learn English. Who’s not committed? Quebec has never made a commitment to bilingualism or Canada. Not to mention the fact that most Francophones have zero interest in Canada and choose to stay forever in Quebec. If more Francophones lived in the other provinces we would see more French services across the country. Canada has laws are in place to ensure services where the numbers warrant it. Unlike Quebec that just says F.U. to all things multicultural and Canadian, with the exception of transfer payments.
Not to worry. Anglophones are smart. Anglos don’t mind adapting and living in Quebec, and they will keep coming. So slowly but surely we will better educate ourselves than the Francophones and regain our influence in Quebec. Francophones are so adverse to Canada that they will probably never integrate and gain a meaningful demographic in the RoC, so they will remain in their Quebec unilingual ghetto and stagnate.
The Quebecois are doomed if they refuse to embrace North America for what it really is. With their superior education, the Anglos hordes will eventually overrun the Francophones. In the end who really gets screwed by Bill 101?
If anglos are smart, we are waiting for the smart ones to be r e a s o n a b l e, it's been 400 years now, young man !
ReplyDeleteIf it isn't your problem, don't worry. You are on top of things. We can become a better community then.
Merci.
Who is being screwed without bill 101 ?
ReplyDelete“Because the Anglos cannot commit to their part of the deal”
ReplyDeleteYou mean the “part of the deal” that was made without them knowing about it or having any say about it? The “deal” that they didn’t sign on for? The “deal” that Levesque-Trudeau dream team made for Quebec and the rest of the country? The “deal” that involved making space for French in both Quebec and the RoC at the expense of English? The “deal” that assumed that there was too much English in QC and too little French in the RoC, so through some social engineering (Bill 101 and the OLA) the playing field would have been evened? The “deal” in which the Anglos in Quebec were asked to suck it up and move out of the way, while the Anglos in the RoC were asked to…suck it up and embrace the “French fact”? Is this the “bargain” that you speak of that the Anglos didn’t keep?
Sorry to be such a stickler for detail, but this deal doesn’t strike me as very fair.
“The are monocultural and unilingual.”
Some are, and some aren’t. In North America, they don’t really have to be multi-cultural though, since their language and their culture cover the entire continent.
And for those Canadians who do want to embrace another culture, why does it have to be the French one? At one point, a lot has been made of Vic Toews’ (Conservative MP) inability to speak French, but the fact that he’s fluent in German and Spanish was overlooked.
Why can’t a Canadian embrace the Mandarin culture, especially if Mandarin speakers now equal the number of French speakers in Canada? Why can’t it be Spanish, the second language of the continent? Why can’t it be Greek, Italian, Portuguese, Polish, Ukrainian, Punjabi, the second language of many Canadians?
At this point, French is just another ethnic language in the RoC. The choice for Canada is - accept it openly, or accept it silently, while peddling a lie in public. The country has been doing the latter for the past 50 years. And half a century later, it is still nurturing this lie.
“Sorry the deal will have to be different.”
We are in full agreement. The new deal is: you leave.
Good riddance.
"Is this the “bargain” that you speak of that the Anglos didn’t keep?"
ReplyDeleteL'expression "package deal" serait plus appropriée.
"Why can’t a Canadian embrace the Mandarin culture..."
ReplyDeleteLe Mandarin exige de grandes capacités intellectuelles.De facto les canadians sont évidemment exclus.
Here, here Adski we were here before you and we are staying. What are you talking about ? Are you geographically retarded as well as historically decrepit ? You are a little bastard are you, cynical and vicious.
ReplyDeleteSpeak French or English don't intermesh Stephen. When you do that you will end up speaking "Franglais" which is what your other collaborators are laughing at, pretending the French cannot erode in contact with English, and other languages.... they don't know that, but I am sure you are smarter, it's easy to be smarter than them !
There is no deal with you, no matter who many you are. You are all a minority anglophone in Quebec and you will stay that way. One thing this site has done for me, it is to become more intolerant with the English of Canada, never let them one little inch of the barganning table and kick the pricks as long as they are resisting.
@Anon 9:10
ReplyDeleteRien ne sert de se fâcher contre adski.C'est un malheureux qui accepte très mal sa condition de minoritaire chez-nous mais n'a aucun moyen financier ou intellectuel pour allez voir du pays.Il est coincé ici,malheureusement pour nous.
OK Anglo,tell him to keep his nose clean and volunteer to the French. He could teach English part-time to todlers if only if he would have common sense.
ReplyDeleteMerci mon gars. Vous pourrez lui dire qu'il y a des clubs positifs et des endroits pour rencontrer des anglophones intellectuels bien. Il faut chercher, s'intégrer et vouloir, c'est pouvoir.
Je suis une minorité francophone en Ontario et c'est une expérience plus difficile encore. Allez, Montréal a du patin, des choeurs de chant, des musées, écoles de théâtre, etc... amusez-vous, n'attendez pas d'être grabataire !
Salutions Anglo
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Je souhaite qu'adski tombe amoureux d'une jolie Québécoise riche, instruite, qu'elle lui fasse porter des skis, lui faire faire de l'après-ski, l'amène faire des choses exquises et qu'il oublie qu'il soit un Anglais. QU'il fasse l'amour et non la guerre, surtout au Québec. Ca c'est du bilinguisme ! Vivre librement et aimer ce qui nous entoure !
ReplyDeleteOK Anglo Buster,
Bisous pour vous,
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I disagree with eyewithness, You are getting a finger in your eye and the other somewhere else... you are in Quebec, not in Ontario. Fleur de Lys country, yes sir. Back off maudit Anglais.
ReplyDeleteYou don't really know the Quebecois, you are afraid of them. You all react like skunks. You cannot admit there are French Supreme, there is another identity, a different climate, another society, another world next to yours. So, you cannot force a population to change or to deny their traditions, to obey, to be dominated, to shift or to switch. This is all in the Black history week. This is the story of the South and the NOrth. You are asking to put this war here between the East and the West of Canada right in the middle on Quebec ! Hey! People have enough of being domninated. Look around you, Quebec will be the next Egypt if you are pushing your way in there.... so if you want so badly that dam confederation, that piece of rag... if you think they are the ones who are calling the shots, I think you better go to your confessor next Sunday.
Anon 5:24PM: "Statistics are not a solution. This is an empty way of thinking social issues. "
ReplyDeleteGood. Now go tell the same thing to Charles Castonguay.
Charles Castonguay est professeur titulaire au département de mathématiques et de statistique de l'Université d'Ottawa. Un ardent défenseur de la langue française, critique des démographes Henripin et compagnie qu'il accuse de vouloir
ReplyDelete« faire dire n'importe quoi aux chiffres », le mémoire qu'il présenta à la Commission des États généraux du français, la Commission Larose, tenues en août en fait preuve.
« L'avenir du français au Québec ne sera assuré que lorsque les transferts linguistiques à Montréal se répartiront au prorata des populations de langue française et de langue anglaise. Si l'on ne se donne pas les moyens de réaliser cet objectif, on se leurre. Le poids des francophones baissera jusqu'à un niveau tel que l'actuelle politique sera remise en question, à la faveur d'un bilinguisme dont on connaît l'issue », voilà en résumé son plaidoyer.
Il croit aux valeurs abstraites, en tant que mathématicien et de projets d'exploitation avec de l'extrapollation. Mais les langues sont plus complexes, et l'histoire est plus passionnée et affecte directement les peuples.
Toute la mathématique lorsqu'il s'agit de la langue maternelle d'une Nation, d'un Peuple ne devient que foutaise.... croyez-moi Adski ! Ce gars là est un Anglais d'abord, il pense avec sa raison qui est tout à fait diffirente de celle des Français. Ce sont deux mondes différents. Allez et essayez de comprendre d'autres peuples français, étudiez la philosophie et faites autres choses que de critiquer comme un Anglais dans son coin en train de pisser sur ses chaussures.
To Anon @ January 31, 2011 9:59 PM
ReplyDeleteI disagree with eyewithness, You are getting a finger in your eye and the other somewhere else... you are in Quebec, not in Ontario. Fleur de Lys country, yes sir. Back off maudit Anglais.
It’s so easy to expose you seppies for what you are, bigoted bastards. ‘Back off maudit Anglais.’ What kind to thing is that to say to another Canadian who simply wants equal rights and respect? Obviously, I know I’m in Quebec, Canada. This is my home. My ancestors helped build Quebec. We have lived here for hundreds of years. We have invested our time and money is this province just like you, you xenophobic piece of excrement.
Of course you disagree. Clearly, you are a deluded militant racist Quebecois, who believes the Quebecois are above other Canadians, and thinks the Quebecois have exclusive ownership and rights in Quebec. You are so unreasonable and selfish that I take pleasure in your misery as an estranged Canadian. It must bother you enormously that Quebec still belongs to Canada. Despite all of your grand declarations of Quebecois cultural superiority and political independence, you still rely on the ones you despise to feed you. In my country, we call this ‘false pride’. How do you reconcile such hypocrisy? With a few bottles of La Fin du Monde I would imagine.
Quebecois seppies like you innocently retort over and over again that you are just trying to build a home where they can be masters of our own destiny and live your lives in French, without the pernicious influence of English. What this really means is that you the Quebecois are trying to build an ethnically and linguistically pure fascist state where the Quebecois majority imposes its chauvinistic will on English speaking Quebecers/Canadians, and relegates all non-Quebecois two a second-class standing. There is nothing innocent about it.
So just as reminder, here’s how it works in simple terms which can understand:
Quebec = Canada (remember those embarrassing transfer payments that make you ‘dependent’.)
Quebec = French and English (remember Canada’s Official Languages Act)
Canada = French and English (remember out two founding nations)
Quebecois = Canadians (remember your real citizenship and nationality)
It must be very difficult for you to live a fantasy life in an imaginary, dependent nation.
First of all, you don't want equal rights. You want us to abdicate to our rights to please yours.
ReplyDeleteSecondly, yes I am selfish, I am educated and selfish. I am more than a QUEBECOIS, I became French international, English International, Spanish, Italian and I travelled...
Thirdly you claim I am a piece of excrement, who is saying that ? nobody else than someone who cannot speak French, read it and who is selfish about it. You are nothing, but nothing than a MINORITY ENGLISH. Keep quiet my boy. You are there for another 400 years but a spoiled brat minority, spitting on the Nation.
No, we don't want bilinguilism anymore, you are too embarrassing to keep on board. You are the one who lives as a dependent bastard son of bitch.
L'article 23 de la Charte canadienne des droits et libertés donne accès à l'enseignement en anglais aux enfants dont les parents ont reçu une éducation en anglais au Canada ou dont les frères et les soeurs fréquentent déjà une école de langue anglaise.
ReplyDelete340 écoles primaires et secondaires de langue anglaise; on en dénombrait 519 en 1970-1971.
Trois cégeps sur l'île de Montréal (Dawson, Vanier et John Abbott); le Champlain Regional College avec trois campus (St-Lambert, Lennoxville et Québec); le Heritage College à Hull desservant l'Ouest du Québec; et les cégeps de Gaspé et de Sept-les ayant une section pour les étudiants anglophones.
Trois universités (McGill, Concordia et Bishop).
The English in Quebec should be satisfied, instead of treating us of EXCREMENT! who vile and low can those English be ! get out of Quebec if you want to live in English only, son of a bitch !
"You cannot admit there are French Supreme"
ReplyDeleteHaven't run into this yet. Is it being served at the Second Cup?
"So, you cannot force a population to change or to deny their traditions, to obey, to be dominated, to shift or to switch."
That's what we've been saying all along. After all these years of 101 and the rest of the bullshit that goes with it, most of us Montrealers and those in the surrounding areas, remain staunch Canadians. You really can't make us do anything at all. Dorchester is still Dorchester on our side of the road.
"This is all in the Black history week."
It's a good time then for you to remember the slave trade your ancestors engaged in and the slave labor used on sugar plantations to pay for the colonization and decimation of cultures and ethnicities all over the globe.
"People have enough of being domninated"
I agree. Which is why I've stopped using French for years now. Actually, I make sure I'm served in English everywhere I go.
"I think you better go to your confessor next Sunday"
I think you've been playing too much xbox. I've been hearing threats like yours for years. Well, most of us are not Catholic. We are Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Orthodox, etc. We come from war torn countries, we are the descendants of genocides so if in your rabid dreams you see confrontation, I suggest you take your own advice because now, 40 years later, you wont be planting bombs in the neighbourhoods of old English society, but in those that know how to respond appropriately.
Quebecois = Canadians ? Non, plus maintenant. Les jeux sont faits. Je n'y crois plus, ça ne marche plus mon vieux, surtout pas lorsque vous dites sur le site que les Français au Canada sont des excréments. Vous n'avez pas de classe et nous ne voulons pas partager votre pays.
ReplyDeleteI was wondering how long it would take for the seppie trolls that made this forum their home to come up with something along the lines of: “but Castonguay's stats are relevant”. It didn't take long, as expected.
ReplyDeleteAs always, stats that fit the seppie narrow-minded and tribalist point of view are legit, while the stats that conflict with the foundation of the separatist ideology are “an empty way of thinking about social issues”.
Life is so relative, isn’t it?
You are depending on your English to acquire everything in a French Province ! what are you talking about. The French don't owe you anything, the poverty of the Confederation is responsible to chain us together. Bill 101 protects the French rights, this is why we don't have Chinese, Japonese, immigrants people with no skills at all. The French should become more and more important. The heritage grants are great from the Feds because the French care! unlike Toronto who are building cocroaches on buildings the size of a car - they demolish, they saw heritage trees, they don't care. So, what do you expect ! you don't have a heritage, if you dont care.
ReplyDeleteWHo lives in an imaginary English Quebec ? in a perfect bilingual Canada (Bull Shit !) not them, certainly not ! wow, you'r weird man. Take a viagra and reserve the train one-way to the English Can of worms ! your final dreamland destination.
ReplyDeleteTHings have changed ! Look at EGYPT !
The Anonymous at 12:20 should be shot.
ReplyDeleteYour interpretation of your English world is nothing but mentally sick. Yes we are supreme in French. Yes we are French. Yes we think you are undesired among us, when people think like you. Yes, IF YOU want to be served in English, if you want to be a slave runner stay in English, don't stick to the French and loard them around.
FAX YOUR ASS TO ENGLISH CANADA, INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING.
Yes, French people don't need the poor class English to carry on the way Adski, Blow Job buster and all the rest all doing. They can go to the second cup: bitter coffe in English only !
ReplyDeleteyack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To the Editor:
ReplyDeleteFranco said: "The Anonymous at 12:20 should be shot."
We obviously have a very disturbed and possibly violent individual making threatening comments on this blog. And she is not only posting under the name of 'Franco.' It might be advisable to keep a record of her IP address if you can, just in case...
To Etoile at 12:35 PM,
ReplyDelete"Je n'y crois plus, ça ne marche plus mon vieux, surtout pas lorsque vous dites sur le site que les Français au Canada sont des excréments."
You are misrepresenting what 'Eyewitness' said. He referred to only one individual as "a xenophobic piece of excrement," and he was correct.
This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
ReplyDeleteÉtoile said...
ReplyDelete‘Quebecois = Canadians ? Non, plus maintenant. Les jeux sont faits. Je n'y crois plus, ça ne marche plus mon vieux, surtout pas lorsque vous dites sur le site que les Français au Canada sont des excréments. Vous n'avez pas de classe et nous ne voulons pas partager votre pays. ‘
I know you don’t want to be Canadian, but you are. Ha! Ha! Ha!
Do you have a Quebec passport? No. Do you receive your mail from Postal Canada? Yes. Does the Canadian military defend Quebec? Yes. Do you have Canadian institutions on Quebec soil? Yes. Do you pay Federal taxes? Yes. Do the Quebecois receive transfer payments from Canada so you can eat and buy toilet paper? Yes. Add it all up, and you have to admit, you’re a Canadian whether you like it or not.
The ‘nation’ you speak of doesn’t exist outside of your head. You will never be a nation. Real nations are financially responsible and independent.
TO ANONYMOUS:
ReplyDelete-----------------------------------------------
---"Do you have a Quebec passport?"
Not yet !
----"Do you receive your mail from Postal Canada?"
Yes, those lazy buggers, don't work on Saturday, don't take the mail from the door. We can privatize it in QC, it will be better.
-----"Do you have Canadian institutions on Quebec soil?"
What are they ? We have Quebec institutions all over Canada, we will have to be paid for the sharing with the other provinces.
-----"Do you pay Federal taxes?"
At the moment yes, on top of the other high taxes.
-----"Do the Quebecois receive transfer payments from Canada so you ... paper?"
At the moment yes, but we could do without it. Quebec can manage to have more gas mines, and become more and more an educated population, international courses (not for the English countries, sell higher its electricity (lower price at home)have more artisans and culture. Don't forget Ontario and other provinces are accepting also transfer payments ! did you question the system well, instead of focussing at us only.
We are canadians NOT BY CHOICE. We were forced in my big fellow. It is possible to live without all you have mentioned.
Furthermore, I thought you were about to ask:
What about the Confederation, you can't just scrap it ?
----- Yes we can. We don't need the AMNB, which is not fitting for us. We were without it for a long time. We can have our own Constitution, our own Charter of rights (not for anglophones)exclusive for us, the French.
"Does the Canadian military defends Quebec?"
ReplyDeleteNO> It's the opposite. The Quebecois are protecting you, Canadians they are part of the military force. They rarely have the honours of English Canadians.
Etoile said:
ReplyDeleteFurthermore, I thought you were about to ask:
What about the Confederation, you can't just scrap it ?----- Yes we can. We don't need the AMNB, which is not fitting for us. We were without it for a long time. We can have our own Constitution, our own Charter of rights (not for anglophones)exclusive for us, the French.'
Thanks for the heads up Etoile.
No Charter of Rights for English speaking people in your star-eyed utopian Quebecois nation. If that happens, will it take place at night under the cover of darkness? How will the night be remembered, ‘nuit des cols bleus’? Will you smash the windows of the English speaking merchants? Will you round up English speaking people into labor camps? Will you come up some nifty badges for English speaking people to wear?
I mean the potential for racial persecution and ethnic cleansing is quite staggering. With so many details to work out, you best get busy. If you’re star ever shines, you’re going to need a clear plan, which you can implement swiftly and coolly. Heil Hitler!
Well, you'll have to write and speak well French. Stay in your triglodyte, pay your taxes to us, be quiet, orderly, and avoid revolution against the French. In other words, keep your nose clean. Your enslaving dream to capture the French in a concentration camp, no thank you. Unlike the Jews, we have a land, we founded this place, we lived here before you, we were speaking, living, and be happy between ourselves, without you. We will be happy after.
ReplyDeleteIf the French people are becoming fewer, you are laughing more and more.... we are a specie endangered. You are the ones after cleansing. You are the dirty pigs. We have to protect ourselves against you bastards. So if you think you will nible on us, like vampires,forget it.
Bill 101 is just a start, just a start dude. In the meantime stay put and shut up. you are the minority in Quebec and you will stay that way, until we tell you to leave.
Feel my gas.......pout !
Our plans are ready. Just a few more politics internally, and a few more good people. Mr. Harper will have to change his mind as well as his players; I hope people will be refusing bribes, et le tour est joué.
ReplyDeleteParfait ! et au revoir! nous pourrons nous serrer les coudres pour un bout de temps, mais avec du courage nous pourrons participer au marché Européen, posséder des talents universitaires exclusifs, devenir meilleurs dans l'entrepreneuriat, vendre nos ressources d'une façon plus énergique,investir dans notre patrimoine et culture. Nous pourrons avoir la chance de communiquer plus sérieusement avec d'autres pays de langues françaises, investir ainsi qu'échanger: tourisme, culture et économie.
Nous avons déjà commencé des commerces nouveaux avec certains sujets que je ne veux pas discuter ici, mais qui sont très rentables. Nous nous faisons des amis Suisses, Belges et Français au Québec et nous nous entendons bien avec ces gens-là au Québec. Nous sommes fiers d'être Québ♪cois.
"Will you come up some nifty badges for English speaking people to wear?"
ReplyDeletePas besoin,inutile de dire qu'on vous reconnait assez rapidement.
Just looking at you WE know you are anglos.
ReplyDeleteA vous regarder vous vêtir également....
A vous écouter sur la rue...
Vous êtes d'une étrangeté que nous reconnaissons comme une autre planète, et qui ne s'infiltre pas bien au Québec.