Friday, January 17, 2014

French versus English Volume 101

Quebec Bar Assoc.: Charter of Values Illegal

In a paper prepared for the government, the Quebec Bar Association has said flatly that the proposed Charter of Values in its present form, will not withstand a legal challenge.
"The Quebec Bar Association says the Charter of Values proposed by the Parti Quebecois government would not hold up to even the mildest of legal challenges in a courtroom. 
"The Bar prepared a brief on Bill 60 for the parliamentary hearings currently taking place in Quebec City.In the brief the combined minds of Quebec's legal community tear the Charter of Values to shreds, saying the Charter is an unjustified and inapplicable law that would trample individual rights in order to promote an ill-conceived notion of "values."The lawyers also say the Charter would violate not only the Canadian Constitution and the pre-existing Quebec Charter of Rights and Freedoms, but international treaties regarding civil liberties. 
Bernard Drainville, the minister in charge of the Charter of Values, said regardless of what the Bar Association thinks, the Charter of Values is necessary."The status quo is not acceptable in our view. We do not have the same reading as the Bar of Quebec's reality," said Drainville."There is a strong consensus the religious accommodations should be set within a clear framework of rules."The Bar Association was harshly critical of the PQ government for pushing forward with its divisive bill in the lack of any concrete evidence that it is necessary." Read more at CTV

More collapsing infrastructure. Two women get the scare of a lifetime!

Since 2010, on average, a dangerous chunk of concrete falls off a Quebec overpass about every six months.
This is in addition to bridges and overpasses that are already known to have serious and dangerous deficiencies including the Champlain and Mercier bridges and a bunch of overpasses leading to the airport which have each had a lane restricted in order to relieve the weight these structures must carry.

The latest tale of falling concrete was a doozy, because it missed falling on the heads of the two occupants of an SUV by about four feet, landing on the front hood. Judging by the damage it did cause, had the concrete fallen four feet farther back, the ladies would surely be goners.

How lucky were they?

Well if we assume they were driving at 80kph, had they arrived at their rendezvous with destiny about 1/5 of a second sooner, they would have been nailed right on the head.

Alternately, whatever speed they were actually travelling at, had they been driving a mere 3KPH faster, the result would not be a headline in Le Journal de Montreal, but rather worldwide coverage of another fatal Montreal infrastructure humiliation.

By the way, the bridge was inspected in 2012 and was approved with the caveat that some routine maintenance be done.
But take a look at the picture below of the bridge in its present condition.

This is the condition of the concrete base to which the guardrail on top of the overpass is secured to.
You don't really need an engineering degree to conclude that it isn't particularly secure.



I wonder if the inspector who deemed the work non-critical would lean on that railing himself? Would you?
So this is what goes for a 'PASS' under Quebec inspection protocols, because the railing isn't essential and because it doesn't hold up the bridge.
And so inspectors decided that repairs could wait a couple of years. Yup, a couple of years.

Are Quebecers concerned about falling concrete? Here's a survey from La Presse 

A lot......Sometimes....Never

Poll shows Bill 101 divides province decades after passage.

The Parti Québécois government says the proposed Quebec Charter of Values will lead to greater social cohesion.
Not necessarily, if any lessons can be drawn from lingering resentments toward another controversial Quebec charter decades after it became law.
As hearings open Tuesday into the proposed charter restricting religious symbols in public-service jobs, a poll conducted by Léger Marketing for The Gazette and the Canadian Institute for Identities and Migration suggests Quebec’s French-language charter remains a lightning rod and potential source of division among Quebecers. Read More


There's no fool, like an old fool

For almost fifteen years Quebec politician and activist Yves Michaud has been on a quest worthy of Don Quixote, an impossible dream to re-establish his good name in relation to a motion of condemnation issued against him unanimously by Quebec's National Assembly in 2000.
"That the National Assembly condemns, without nuances, clearly and unanimously, the unacceptable remarks made with regard to ethnic communities, particularly in respect of the Jewish community maintained by Yves Michaud at hearings of the Estates General on French in Montreal, December 13, 2000" LINK
Michaud was furious at the rebuke which he believed tarnished his reputation and has worked tirelessly over the years to have that motion annulled.

There's not much chance of that happening, too many Liberals take perverse pleasure in seeing an old enemy in such delicious and prolonged agony.

The reason that the PQ consented to the motion was because Lucien Bouchard, the then leader of the PQ wanted the pesky and militant Michaud out of his hair and out of the Party. Michaud had already promised that should he be elected as a PQ member of the National Assembly, he would continue to speak his mind openly, without consideration of party solidarity, something no leader could allow.
So Bouchard directed PQ members to support the motion, many of who came to regret their decision years later.

I wrote a piece about what led up to the motion and readers might want to go back and re-read the description of events leading up to the censure. Read :  Is Yves Michaud a Racist?

For 14 odd years Michaud has dragged around the censure motion like a ball and chain attached firmly to his leg, pretending to be an innocent victim of federalist enemies and like the Canterville Ghost, a pathetic whiner, condemned to an eternity of shame.

I've written before that Michaud got what he deserved, he is without a doubt someone who believes that Jews and other ethnics owe the French majority a certain respect, while the opposite obligation doesn't exist. In other words, Jews and Ethnics are a different class of citizens, who should be mindful of their place in Quebec. 

Now Mr. Michaud is at it again.

In his latest missive, Michaud proves Brian Mulroney's famous point that there's no whore like an old whore.

First he scuttled any support he had among sovereigntists by proclaiming that the Bloc Quebecois should disband and panned his enemy Lucien Bouchard and other ex-Bloc members for accepting a federal parliamentary pension.

But the real doozy were these statements which went largely unreported in the English press
"Believers of all confessions who are outraged by the Charter of Values can just pack their bags and find refuge elsewhere."
("Les croyants de toutes confessions qui sont outrés par la charte des valeurs n’ont qu’à plier bagage et à trouver refuge ailleurs, estime le militant indépendantiste Yves Michaud. ")
They'll lose their jobs or they'll lose their kippas, what do you expect? And they can go to a country where it's tolerated. If they want to go to a religious state, they shouldn't come to  a secular state, what can I tell you.
("Ils perdront (leur travail) ou ils l'enlèveront (leur kippa), qu'est-ce que vous voulez. Et ils iront dans un pays où c'est toléré. S'ils veulent aller dans un État religieux, qu'ils ne viennent pas dans un État laïque, que voulez-vous que je vous dise."}  Link{fr}
Mr. Michaud was also quoted as saying that the Charter doesn't go far enough. Link{fr}
So if according to Michaud, the Charter doesn't go far enough, what other measures do you think  he meant should have been included?
Readers any ideas?

vigile.nonsense

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Here's my favourite nonsense from vigile.net  this week.
Another moronic post that proves the point that just about any idiot can say just about anything.
François Ricard - essayiste  who dotes himself with the title of 'Essayist,' has this hilarious take on Radio-Canada, who he finds deficient for not promoting separatism.
{translation} "Radio- Canada has an annual budget of several hundred million dollars. These funds are derived from the pockets of taxpayers, federalists as well as separatists. Quebec as a whole, contributes 23% to the budget. And the share of sovereigntists, possibly 10% of the grand total. Yet, in its public affairs programming, the CBC airs only pro- federalist shows. Hence, it follows, that this represents a grave injustice to separatists. This blatant bias on the part of the public broadcaster would be, according to me, very easy to prove. And so, for years, a large percentage of the population of Quebec is cheated by Radio- Canada. It would be fair for the people involved to receive compensation for sums unduly paid but for which they received nothing in return and that in future, the CBC be obliged to give  proportional air time to the injured party. Is a class action lawsuit possible?" Link{fr}
 I'll only make two three points and then turn over comments to readers.

Quebec doesn't contribute 23% to the federal coffers, (that is the percentage of Quebec's population in relation to the total of Canada.) The 23% of Canadians that live in Quebec, contribute only 18% of federal revenues.
Secondly, Radio Canada, the French arm of the CBC receives double the funding as the English CBC, when demographics are considered.
And no separatists in Radio-Canada? Are you kidding me?
.....Just sayin..

Quebec billionaires fall short

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According to Canadian Business magazine 17 out of the 100 richest Canadians hail from Quebec, a statistically weaker representation than the 23 one would expect in the distribution that is proportional to the population.

Here is a table culled from that report prepared by l'Actualite magazine showing Quebec's richest individuals and families.


The above chart is missing the name of Charles Bronfman, who according to the original list in Canadian Business report, is ranked as the 25th richest Canadian.
Now Bronfman hasn't lived in Quebec for quite a while, but if his name is on the list of the 100 richest Canadians, his designation should be that of a Quebecer and should have been placed on the above list.

At any rate, of the 17 Quebec billionaires the majority (9) are Ethnics and Anglo Quebecers and amazingly (but perhaps not surprisingly) of those 17 Quebec billionaires, six are Jewish.

It means that Anglos and Ethnics are over-represented by a factor of 2.5 and that Jews are over-represented by a factor of 35.
The Quebec Jewish community produces one billionaire for every 15,000 Quebec Jews, while one out of every 800,000 Quebec francophones is a billionaire.
Billionaire Aldo Bensadouin snags a delicious PQ free lunch

By the way, on Friday Pauline Marois was at the offices of Aldo Shoes, to proudly announce a forty million dollar loan and a $10 million gift to billionaire Aldo Bensadouin, in order to create jobs. Link

I've told you before, the PQ is so desperate to buy jobs it has now earned a reputation as an easy mark.
Any company considering expansion in Quebec on merit alone is now wise to the fact that it can shake down a the PQ for $$$$$.

Further reading

Earth to anglos: This is Quebec. Bus drivers speak French   Alternate link

Values charter endorses bullying      Alternate link

Number of Quebecers leaving province is on the rise      Alternate link

French language suffering in Canadian Airports

The most depressing article about Quebec that I've read in a long lime 

Letter to NY Times by Jean-François Lisée and  An interesting reply 

Man says he was verbally abused and kicked out of Verdun Hospital for asking for service in English

The Back end

 I was watching a trailer for a movie about student life in a French high school and couldn't resist posting a screen shot of this student who came up with this ironic pearl.; Link{fr}

"Sometimes 'Reasonable Accommodations' go too far!



Why  do you think these people from St. Adolphe d'Howard are standing outside, freezing their butts off ?


Give yourself a star if you answered .... 'WAITING AROUND FOR A UFO'.....Yup, not joking, that's exactly what they are doing  Link{fr}


Son: "Dad, I have to write a special report for school, but I don't know what Politics is."

Father: "Well, let's take our home as an example. I am the bread-winner, so let's call me Capitalism. Your Mum is the administrator of money, so we'll call her Government. We take care of your needs, so let's call you The People. We'll call the maid the Working Class and your brother we can call The Future. Do you understand son?"

Son: "I'm not really sure, Dad. I'll have to think about it."

That night awakened by his brother's crying, the boy went to see what was wrong. Discovering that the baby had seriously soiled his diaper, the boy went to his parents' room and found his mother sound asleep. He went to the maid's room, where, peeking through the keyhole, he saw his father in bed with the maid. The boy's knocking went totally unheeded by his father and the maid, so the boy returned to his room and went back to sleep.The next morning he reported to his father.

Son: "Dad, now I think I understand what Politics is."

Father: "Good son! Can you explain it to me in your own words?"

Son: "Well Dad, while Capitalism is screwing the Working Class, Government is sound asleep, the People are being completely ignored and the Future is full of Shit."

Have a great weekend!

Bonne fin de semaine!

264 comments:

  1. http://www.cjad.com/cjad-news/2014/01/17/exclusive-man-says-he-was-verbally-abused-and-kicked-out-of-verdun-hospital-for-asking-for-service-in-english?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

    I realize that the seps will love this - this is just another example of outright discrimination and hate of the anglophone community and of man's inhumanity to man. They do themselves proud, this group.

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    1. FROM ED
      I can assure you this is a complete fabrication. No one has spent as much time in the Verdun Hospital since my health failed badly in September as I have. I live ine block from there and I drive through the hospital on my scooter to visit people on behalf of the local Old age club. . Every one speaks to me in English. The Doctor's and nurses all speak English except for the Haitian nurses who don't speak French either. The directors would never allow such an incident and the only way the security would put some one out is if they were getting violent. Incidentally, hospial security do not put people out they call the police to do it, otherwise the rouble makers come right back. Ed

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    2. Just because you had no problems Ed does not mean that someone else didn't. You really do have a very bad habit of calling everyone liars because they have different opinions and/or experiences than you do. Why would this guy publish this incident if it were not true? Why would he embarrass himself and/or his girlfriend? Why don't you wait a little bit before telling everyone he is a liar? Maybe they ran across a separatist in Quebec? Do you think that's possible?

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    3. FROM ED
      Cutie the reason I say he's lying is because I choose to believe the hospital. You would rather see an undeserved black mark against the hospital than me speak out for them. I know you love publishing these little digs of hatred. I feel it my duty to defend the institution tht has helped so many people over the words of a hot head. I don't believe a medically trained person would stop the injection that a doctor ordered. If they did they wouldn't last a week. Ed

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    4. For God's sake Ed I suppose you think that the poor veteran in the Hull Hospital was made up also? You are so hard-headed it's totally unbelievable. Why don't you let people speak for themselves and stop taking over for them? Maybe this guy deserves a "black mark" - he was not speaking about the whole hospital but for one ignorant separatist! Tensions are on the rise in this province and nothing but nothing surprises anyone but you! Why don't you believe that there are people like that? Of course there are!

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    5. FROM ED
      Say what you want Cutie it's not the patient that's being degraded on the TV news it's the hospital . If there was a problem he could have spoke to the doctor or hed nurse before losing his rtemper. They DO NOT put quietly speaking out of any hospital. There is always a reason . In spite of what he and you may think the Verdun hospital was not built to insult his wife. Ed

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    6. Now that I'm retired I get to watch my favouriter TV Judge Judy.
      She has a keen mind and always knows when somebody's story doesn't add up.
      I read the CJAD story and conclude that a confrontation may have occurred, but in order to have such an escalation, it takes two to tango.
      Not buying the contention that the protagonist was completely innocent, things would never have gotten out so out of hand..

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    7. Perhaps so Editor but let's face it - who is more responsible for keeping their cool in hospitals? The boyfriend was told to leave the hospital and the PROVINCE - if cooler heads are to prevail, I tend to think that medical professionals, faced with people under stress all the time, should be expected to be the ones that keep cooler head. After all, this woman was having chest pains and they were worried that she was having a heart attack. And I'm a Judge Judy fan also - and she right - if something doesn't make sense it isn't true. We shall find out more about this shortly but right now it sure looks like the guy is a total bigot - the hospital stated that if someone can't speak English to a patient, they are to find someone that can. That seems to be their stance at the present time anyway. The boyfriend said he is going back to file a complaint so the truth will come out. Must have been witnesses to all of it.

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    8. FROM ED
      Ya know what's upsetting to me Cutie. I used the word fabrication which is not a lie, it's the spin on a certain viewpoint by one side. I was standing up for something I love, a hospital full of good people. you on the other hand having no working knowledge of this man choose to believe his spin on it and accuse me of things I never said. I did not call anyone a liar.. Where do you get off saying I call everyone a liar. Where the hell did you pull that out of. Out of the blue you bring up some veteran in Hull and accuse me of lying about him. I don't know who you're talking about. I feel he is lying if you prefer me to say it like that and I will still side with the people of mercy at the hospital. I still don't understand why, when my stance was against him you felt you had to attack me personally. Ed

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    9. To say someone fabricated a story and then say you're not calling them a liar is like saying someone stole something but that you're not calling them a thief. If they purposefully fabricated a story, which literally means made something up, that is a lie and hence they are a liar, and that's what you're calling them, especially when you call it a complete fabrication which means you think they made everything up, not simply putting a spin on it.

      Cutie is referring to this story: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/Veteran+centre+Gatineau+hospital+language+controversy+dies/9113760/story.html
      Which is a similar event.

      That said my money is one a scenario in between, the one employee probably said what he/she is being accused of but I seriously doubt Mr. Radway was not being confrontational, I mean he was probably in distress and then had to deal with the rude employee so he was probably yelling and acting confrontational when additional staff came, so they probably took the employees side looking at the scene and he was thrown out.

      Radway seems more angry with the employee and blames them more than the hospital, I don't think it overly puts the hospital in a bad light or the other staff, it just seems like one bad egg, so long as the event is investigated by the hospital and they act in good faith I don't see any negative repercussions because of it.

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    10. FROM ED
      Thatguy, If you don't see any negative repercussions then you didn't watch the TV news tonight. They had cameras in the emergency and rght in the office where a doctor was treating a patient.. They showed every angle of the outside of the building like it was a hell's angel's stronghold. I work every year on the fundraising campaign and I can assure you we don't need that kind of publicity.. Ed

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    11. That's just a bit of temporary extremely transitory bad press, the only way that hits will negatively affect the hospital is if the administration drops the ball with investigating and addressing the complaint, and shows that there's a systematic problem at the hospital instead of just one complaint. Most fundraising dollars come from people who have used a hospital or have stayed there and know the majority of the staff do a good job from their personal experience, I doubt this story will affect their decision to donate if they had a great first hand experience, though if there is a terrible employee running, around not dealing with them could very negatively impact fundraising if they put a bad taste in people mouths when they're there.

      It's weird the guy went to the press before filing and hearing the results of a complaint, but I can't image he's making up the entire thing based on the zeal he's pursuing it with. The hospital is going to be fine though, I mean it's essential service so people will go to it regardless of this one story and will see how the staff really are on the whole.

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    12. Having experienced language discrimination among Quebec health care workers myself (during my father's fatal brain tumor) I don't doubt this story in the least. Anymore than I did not doubt that someone with serve tomato anaphylaxis was attacked with a tomato sandwich in the Jewish General Hospital for privately speaking English. What's making the situation even worse is the PQ's Charter of Values, which has basically made it OK to externalize and act out any of your racial animosities. A person must LOOK, ACT AND SPEAK like a true "Quebecois", otherwise it's your duty to put them in their place in order to defend the state!

      Cutie: Ed is in denial any wrong doing could take place in this province, just as he is in denial the Liberals hold the same ideals as the PQ. It's not just Ed mind you, a large chunk of the population is in denial about pretty much everything going on in this province the past 40 years. Sorry, but ignoring the problem will not make it go away, it's just going to get worse. Denial is what caused a great number of Jewish Europeans to be sent off to death camps...they just simply did not want to belief what was going on and stayed put, hoping things would just blow over.

      Just saying, if people let things like this happen, the bolder these separatist racists will get. It just keeps snowballing until it's out of control.

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    13. I agree Apple that these incidents have to be brought to light, given publicity, and denounced or the ignorant among the population will continue to take matters into their own hands thinking they have every right to do so. Yes, Ed is in denial about just about everything that is currently going on in quebec and makes believe that all we need is an election to straighten things out. I so wish this were true, but as we all know, that's not the way it's going to be. More than an election is needed to get this province out of the funk it's in and where it's headed. We need a whole change and a strong federalist party to lead the way out of the mess and I'm afraid we don't have one. Apparently the Conservative Party of Quebec is coming out with it's platform in the very near future and we will have to see where they stand on the issues confronting quebec - maybe they will have something better to offer than those who are out to destroy us. Let's hope so.

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    14. @cutie003

      "We need a whole change and a strong federalist party to lead the way..."

      never gonna happen. french canadians from quebec are all nationalists to varying degrees, they are not going to vote against bill 101 or for any less freedom. forget it. plus the federal conservatives hovering around 10% in quebec while in power, i don't see the local brand getting traction. sorry mate, if you want canada you need to move to canada. it's not far.

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    15. First of two: (Yup, you guys got me started!)

      Hi All! Like my late mother used to say, there are three sides to every story: One party, the other party, and the truth. I haven't read the article (yet), but seeing what's going on currently, and having lived in Quebec when this b.s. all started in the 70s, let's look at where we are now.

      Since history repeats itself (in contradiction to what my high school history teacher told us), I was in the thick of things when the language police were conceived by the separatist government of the day as were likely all of you. The tongue troopers acted on the complaint leads offered up by welfare recipients and other s--t disturbers who had bitter, empty lives.

      Today, the tongue troopers act on the complaint leads offered up by welfare recipients and other s--t disturbers who have and possibly back then had bitter, empty lives, and seemingly with even more zeal now than back then. Why more now than then? Well, for one thing, back then the limits were being tested for the first time and the Francophone establishment felt some things went too far. Case in point, Bill 1 tabled in March 1977. It received a plenitude of rebuke from the Conseil des patronats, others in the Quebec Establishment and of course, the minorities. Simply put, Bill 1 went too far, so to ensure language legislation was in place before the next school year, the PQ compromised just enough to get their legislation passed with at least less disdain from the French speakers.

      Today, it's difficult to distinguish the federalists (are there really any among the Francophones) and the separatists. The line is just that blurred.

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    16. Last of two:

      Back in the 70s, the PQ consisted of racists with academic credentials at MIT, Harvard, Cambridge, Columbia and other world renowned institutions of higher learning. Today, they're graduates of UQAM and École secondaire Gilles Vignault, some of them even have their certificat d'études du 5e secondaire, maybe even a diplôme d'études collégial. Between then and now, the central mind and management of the PQ has wormed its way down to the very bottom of the barrel where the lowlifes miring in the slime work and play (more of the latter).

      Today, the persecution of the minorities is far more legitimized and overt than during the tenure of the racists running the circus back in the 1970s. Bit by bit, step by step and action by action the amplitude of the limits being tested has widened and the most evil of incarnates are running the circus. This is why the racism in Quebec today, more than ever is very overt, very encouraged and very legitimized. Left unchecked, it will only get worse, and yes, Quebec will have its Krystalnachts, the assault, battery and even murder of the minorities by the tyrannous majority and who knows what else. Humankind's cruelty to humankind has gone on since the beginning of time, and today look what's going on in Syria, the Sudan and other parts of the world. Why shouldn't it happen in Quebec? What's to say it can't happen in Quebec?

      I work for one of Canada's largest employers, and in our lounges (every floor has one) I hear English, French, Tagalog, Urdu, Cantonese and a slew of other languages. I've never heard anyone object. In Quebec's work lounges you have fellow employees snitching to management, or even management themselves up in arms when two or more employees are conversing, supposedly PRIVATELY, in languages other than French on their own personal time. One young lady covertly recorded her managers having a conversation with her about "policy" in the lunch room regarding language. Aren't private conversations supposed to be private? Do the police need to be called when a twelve-year-old back girl dared speak English on a city bus? Do the ticket vendors need to scream at customers who address them in English?

      I'm sure Ed had many positive experiences at the Verdun Hospital, but that doesn't mean someone else couldn't have had one or several negative experiences.

      If the PQ wins the next election, or comes close, look out, and God bless you all.

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  2. By AnecTOTE

    "At any rate, of the 17 Quebec billionaires the majority (9) are Ethnics and Anglo Quebecers and amazingly (but perhaps not surprisingly) of those 17 Quebec billionaires, six are Jewish."

    Not to mention, in the no. 1 spot....an ethnic. Money talks and Bs walks...so much for..'maîtres chez nous" LOLOLOLOLOL...MDR

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    1. kinda proves french canadians have a history of being abused doesn't it mate? it's another piece of data that gives credential to their separation thing.

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    2. I can't let this pass.
      Are you saying that Quebec Jewish, Arab, or Italian billionaires owe their success to persecution of francophones or by taking unfair advantage?

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    3. @student

      Constant abuse creates mental disorders.

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    4. It's always the "others" fault.

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    5. By AnecTOTE

      @Theo

      Pretty sad that Hatred will make her say just about anything. One wonders if it is a sad attempt at self-consolation....and no wonder ...she feels like an absolute Failure. Who wouldn't? To brag day and night about being superior and discover that truth is very different. She and her ilk are an inferior species and this is just a coping mechanism...(read: Desperation)

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    6. By AnecTOTE

      "It's always the "others" fault."

      Let her blame the minorities/ ethnics, in doing so, she openly admits they have control over her society. Let her rage on about it. What they are trying to accomplish with bill 60 will end very poorly for them. The objections from all over are picking up steam..and this is becoming a truly unattractive, unpleasant place. At a certain point the authors of this sham, (and we know who the culprits are), understanding that they have gone too far without accomplishing the desired affect, will drop the charade (bill 60), like a hot potato. OR we will have an election way before and we shall be rid of the twits for good. In the meantime, let's hope they haven't completely tarnished the good Reputation of this immaculate province, lol.

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    7. Vous voulez voir le vrai visage de la haine ToTo?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGBpRwGZjbM

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    8. By AnecTOTE

      Really?? I know you love to confuse things but let's stick to the issues that plague this province for now and what is happening here. This bill ...that they are holding hearings on...(I don't even want to think about how much money we are flushing down the toilet rather than fixing deadly overpasses), has spread unmitigated Hate...right here in La belle Province. I cannot control what happens in Iraq as it is too far and the immediate problems are right in my backyard. I would rather fix what I have control over and I will keep reminding you and those who think like you that spreading Hatred and trampling on people's Rights and Freedoms is wrong..get it? WRONG.

      Don't you ever dare to try and defend it or justify it by showing us another piece of the world where according to you they do worst and implying we should feel lucky that the depth of hatred is less here. I am right and you people are in dire need of an Intervention, you've totally lost it.

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    9. @SR
      Can you not post the links multiple times S.R, also can you not prescribe the actions of some Muslims to all Muslims, it's as ridiculous as saying watch out for all Christians because they might try and eat you because the guy below did it.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-25708024

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    10. @editor & co

      isn't it a fact that french canadians have been discriminated against by their english neighbors for the most part of the 20th century? wasn't it repeated enough when paul desmarais died that he was the first french canadian to break the resistance and succeed as a businessman in the 70s? well no wonder then that french canadians don't fill up their demographic spots on canada's rich list. that's what i meant.

      @hands off my hijab

      laughing at french canadians cause they were blocked from big business until recently is not the kind of contributions that'll raise your score mate. and ranking species will only consolidate your racist reputation. ranking species?!? you mad bro.

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    11. Pas de confusion ,nous parlons ici de symboles religieux ostentatoires reliés à des mentalités de barbares.

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    12. "I cannot control what happens in Iraq"

      Et vous croyez réellement que vous le pouvez ici ? Allez-vous présenter un mémoire à l'Assemblée Nationale?

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    13. By AnecTOTE

      Who says one has to go that route to make a difference? The list is at full capacity from what I hear and it is being taken care of. Certainly, it's one way to make a difference, but it isn't the only way. I prefer this one, and other like-Forums!
      Does it worry you? Suck it up.

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    14. I really have to ask again how it matters how people dress or what symbol they wear - when it comes to murder in their hearts, how the hell is what they wear going to stop it? If quebec doesn't want Muslims to immigrate here, just don't let them into their "precious, entitled" province! Simple. They control their own damn immigration, unfortunately, so what is the problem? They invited these people to move here, then they pull the rug out from under them. This whole thing is so stupid but what we can expect from these franco supremacists - again, they want everyone out of the province that is not pur laine francophone and I don't know why they bother to try to hide this fact anymore - it's obvious to the whole world! Here's Ed saying the Haitians don't even speak French or English but we all know that they are here in large numbers strictly because they speak French. That's all their Immigration people care about - not whether they are trained workers or not, but that they speak French. Funny how these immigrants how so little else in common with quebecois but they are more acceptable than anglophones in our own home country. Sad, these sick, little small minded people of the quebecois.

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    15. "Who says one has to go that route to make a difference?"

      Il y a des chemins plus courts mais surtout plus efficaces que d'autres..."just saying".

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    16. @cutie003

      "Funny how these immigrants how so little else in common with quebecois but they are more acceptable than anglophones in our own home country. Sad, these sick, little small minded people of the quebecois."

      there's a nuance to be made here cutie003. anglophones are totaly accepted in quebec as they are bilingual for the most part. but you're not, as you claim yourself. it's not because you are sad that all anglos are sad. you are a particular case mate.

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    17. " anglophones are totaly accepted in quebec" = lol - another outrageous, totally BS statement by the seppies. Only until you can drive them all out A$$h---s.

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    18. @cutie003

      except you cutie003. i heard you mate and was very specific about this exception. of course you'd like to share the pain with other quebec anglophones, but i'm afraid most of them, ed being the first of them, do belong to this country. you're more the misfit type, like sauga. you'll never be happy, and it will always be the other's fault.

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    19. S.R.: Maybe you should be crated with the Hérouxville Gang and put on a slow ship to Iran and the lot of you should be stoned since that's exactly how you expect Muslims to behave. Throw student in for the ride! With any luck they'll hang you all by your thumbs before stoning.

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    20. @sauga

      why should i be stoned exactly? i'm sorry i didn't get your "reasoning".

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    21. Judging by student's crappy comments I would conclude that she is already stoned most of the time, lol.

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    22. @durham

      mate you're a humorist in real life aren't you?

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    23. Cutie - Shhhh. You're ruining student's childhood! You don't want to force her to grow up that fast and crush all her child fantasy beliefs, now do we?

      -Anglophones are totally accepted in Quebec
      -Santa Claus lives in the North Pole and delivers presents to all good boys and girls of the world
      -If you place your teeth under your pillow, the tooth fairy will visit you while you sleep
      -Anglophones are the best treated minority in the world
      -The Charter of Values' purpose is to create harmony and togetherness among Quebec citizens
      -The French language and culture are vanishing fast, and will disappear completely by the end of this decade
      -My Little Pony's are real, and live in her TV set

      ;)

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  3. Actually, the total Quebec subsidy to Aldo is $52m (but who is counting). This for the creation of 400 jobs — making it a subsidy of $130k per job. Incredible.

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    1. By AnecTOTE

      Did anyone watch the CTV news with MT at 6pm this evening? The showdown the news conference La Marois held with Aldo President...he asked her if she had discussed the charter with Mr. B. Since he employs many people from different nationalities and how this was going to be handled...in light of bill 60. She laughed...rather than answering the question..she just laughed like it was one big joke. Such insurmountable Poor Form ..words escape me...and words never escape me.

      Let's please have an election so we can get rid of this embarrassing and incompetent government.

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    2. @josef k.

      52 millions include a 40 millions loan. please recalculate mate. did you make a genuine mistake, or are you on a misinformation spree?

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    3. Wow, I assumed all 52 was a loan, they're straight up just giving them 10 million as a grant and 2 million as a subsidiary? Anyone see how long the, I assume interest free, loan of 40 million will be out of tax payers' hand becoming devalued due to inflation and incurring opportunity cost? If there really are 400 jobs created (not guaranteed) at least that replaces half of the 800 lost from Sears...too bad we have to pay for them.

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    4. @thatguy

      "I assumed all 52 was a loan..."

      misinformant josef wrote it was a subsidy. how could you make that assumption mate?

      of course it would be better if taxpayers didn't have to fork a cent, but the 130k per job that josef calculated is unreal. that was my point.

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    5. "misinformant josef wrote it was a subsidy. how could you make that assumption mate?"
      Most headlines or news blurbs on the story merely said a 52 million dollar investment was being made and did not specify the actual means of investment, the first one I saw that specified was the gazette, which came out hours after the original story broke http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/million+Aldo+modernization+create+jobs/9399722/story.html

      He said there will be a 130k subsidy for each job, which is 100% true, if anything that number could be higher as there is no guarantee that 400 jobs will be created. Your problem, again, is you don't know what the definition of a subsidy is. A subsidy can be a grant, tax break or an interest free loan, so the entire 52 million is a subsidy hence 52 million/400 = 130,000$ in subsidy will be given per job .

      The investment itself also seems rather short sighted the money is to renovate the Montreal headquarters as well as basically set up online sales, as it does not cost 363 million to renovate a headquarters I'm assuming a good chunk is going to be put towards setting up Aldo's online business, which can then be moved pretty much anywhere else overnight through outsourcing once it's established, so the 400 jobs are transitory at best.

      It would be great if the government didn't have to buy jobs, defeating the tax benefits of having said jobs, but they're unwilling to tackle the actual problems in the province that make businesses wary of investing...so make it rain instead!
      http://giphy.com/gifs/7RDFd7vrISPu0

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    6. @thatguy

      "Most headlines or news blurbs on the story merely said a 52 million dollar investment was being made..."

      my advice to yu is to read the articles and not only headlines and blurbs. you'll be a better blog contributor.

      "A subsidy can be a grant, tax break or an interest free loan, so the entire 52 million is a subsidy,..."

      i don't think a loan is a subsidy. if it's interest free then maybe you can argue that the lost interests are a subsidy, but not the 40 millions lended. so josef needs to recalculate anyways. 130k per job is hugely misleading. but maybe that was the objective in the first place. was it josef?

      "It would be great if the government didn't have to buy jobs..."

      i hear you complain when pq doesn't move to help businesses and i hear you complain when it does. a big void results mate. and i have to conclude that you're just anti-pq and therefore not to be given consideration, at least on this particular subject.

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    7. "sigh" I did read the actual articles though they did not mention the breakdown, I can't really take the blame for shoddy media reporting.

      "i don't think a loan is a subsidy"

      I'd like to redefine words too, but that's not really how language works. "Subsidies have a long track record and today come in various forms including: direct (cash grants, interest-free loans), indirect (tax breaks, insurance, low-interest loans, depreciation write-offs, rent rebates)."

      130,000$ per job in subsidiaries is accurate.

      "i hear you complain when pq doesn't move to help businesses and i hear you complain when it does. "
      I complain when what is being done is pure window dressing that only temporary fixes a symptom rather than the underlying disease.

      "i have to conclude that you're just anti-pq and therefore not to be given consideration"
      That's some Drainville logic right there. That's like discounting someones well reasoned agreements against slavery by saying, well you don't like slavery, kind of idiotic. Stick to actual arguments student, maybe you'll land a good one someday.

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    8. @thatguy

      "I can't really take the blame for shoddy media reporting."

      you can take the blame for feeding from shoddy media. check out ledevoir.com or vigile.net more often. you'll get the details there.

      "I'd like to redefine words too."

      i still think that the subsidy part of a interest-free loan is the interests, and not the sum that will be paid back.

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    9. "you can take the blame for feeding from shoddy media. check out ledevoir.com or vigile.net more often. you'll get the details there."

      Student I don't know why this is a run on thing for you, I got the details from the gazette before I even posted anything on the topic, hence I was an informed poster, nor did I have to slum around on vigile.net to do so (FYI the publication date for the aldo story on le devoir is the 18th, today, so that wouldn't have helped me yesterday unless I had a time machine).

      "i still think that the subsidy part of a interest-free loan is the interests, and not the sum that will be paid back."
      Ok that's fine, but you're still wrong about it, and need to get with reality and just accept it. Not having to pay interest is a benefit of the subsidy but also receiving a huge amount of cash capital is a subsidy because of the opportunities and opportunity costs associated with it. Go to the bank and ask for 40 million dollars, that ain't going to happen, anyone that is able to have and use 40 million dollars for a period of time, even if they have to pay it off later will be better off because they can use that capital to generate more that others cannot. I'd recommend you take a few finance classes in order to understand the subject a bit better.

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    10. @thatguy

      "I got the details from the gazette before I even posted anything on the topic..."

      ah ok then. good boy.

      "...but you're still wrong about it..."

      if you go to a dealership and get a loan for a car, it's a loan, not a subsidy. aldo asking for 40 millions is the same as you asking for 10k. he probably did get a better rate from the government than what he would have gotten at the bank, that difference is the subsidy. we should halt this here mate. i doubt it's interesting for my readership.

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    11. By AnecTOTE

      Wind-up toy indeed! ....I still need that gas mask...Somebody? Anybody?!?!?

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    12. "we should halt this here mate. i doubt it's interesting for my readership."

      If they don't understand finance or clear definitions of words or care to learn and correct oneself like you, I'd have to agree. If you go to a car dealership you will get a loan, but only a small amount based on your ability to pay, it will have huge interest and a specific time period in which to pay it back, if they give you a ridiculously high loan, a very low interest rate or an extremely long period to pay it back in, then they have given you a better than market loan which would be a subsidy (though the actual definition requires it also be in service of an economic sector).

      The capital they are given will be invested and will generate a ROI, hence even the capital is a subsidy because if it is wisely by the end of the loan period with no interest the organization could have doubled the initial capital and will only have to give back half, the original amount, which due to inflation is probably worth less than the original load by upwards of 10% if it's a ten year loan, so no it's not only the interest that is a subsidy, it is the loan, I'd assumed the quote that said as much would have been proof enough but hey, now you know a bit about finance.

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    13. @thatguy

      "...then they have given you a better than market loan which would be a subsidy."

      exactly, the subsidy being the difference between what you got and market value.

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    14. "exactly, the subsidy being the difference between what you got and market value."

      Yes so:
      1. A Giant loan from the government (not something they hand out to everyone).
      2. No interest on said loan (not something they hand out to everyone).
      3. A long time frame to pay back said loan (not something they hand out to everyone).

      Taken together the interest free loan from the government is the subsidy. Unless you think the government will give you a huge loan, you can go ask, don't be too disappointed.

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    15. It's ok to be wrong student, no need to get so huffy about it, you think you'd be used to it by now, but sticking your head in the sand isn't going to fix the problem. You need to learn more, not less.

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    16. Well if you're so bored of this topic and are incapable admitting when you're wrong, pride and all that, perhaps you can get around to responding to the other threads you have abandoned, like say the one where you said that you'd assume a judge was not rational simply because they wear a religious symbol. Real bang up argument that one was. It's very disappointing working to pull back so many layers on you and when you get the the centre there's nothing of real substance there, just more empty sophistry.

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    17. @thatguy

      you done already mate?

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    18. I was done when I showed that loans are subsidys, but heck if you haven't drawn this out for no reason.

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  4. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/01/18/opinion/quebecs-multiculturalism-debate.html?_r=1&referrer

    Good letters in response to Mr. Lisee in the NY Times.

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    1. even denis lebel replied. he totally diverges with his lyrical tirade about canada's alleged greatness. not impressive. he doesn't allude to quebec's proposed charter once in his reply to lisée's charter plea. how is that for missing the point? don't you agree cutie003? or do you think bringing forward the trade agreement with europe is a great argument in a discussion about state secularism?

      here's what one of your problem is cutie003. you don't seek to understand is one's argument are valid or not. what you do is try to decipher if an intervention goes with or against the pq and based on that you decide if a letter or analysis is good or not. that's a dangerous way to foment your opinions mate. and that's why you're wrong so often. you should do like me and check if a dude makes sense before giving him props.

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    2. And the other 6 letters? Or are we to only focus on the weak letter from a politician that has to tow the line of supporting the conservative party, federation and Quebec? Clearly that one out of seven letters is weak but Cutie never singularly praised or highlighted that one letter, so I'm not sure why you only focus on that one...guess when you can't defend against the stronger letters just go after the weak one.

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      "And the other 6 letters?"

      i'm sorry mate i don't have the time to debunk every weak article on the internet. why don't you help me out? you're read me for some time now you should start to have the hang of it.

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    4. I'm not sure I'd call engaging in your brand of pedestrian sophestry as "debunking", nor do I believe you don't have the time to comment on any of the other stronger letters you read, they're just simply above your level, which is not entirely your fault, it's hard to tango when your idealogical groundwork is so shaky.

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      sure. at least we agree lebel's letter was not good.

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    6. Indeed we do, it's about as pointless and as pandering as an economic action plan press release, the others, not so much.

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  5. Mr. Editor Berlach,

    I do not and can not understand why you take the opinion of the Bar of Quebec so seriously. After all, according to our respected member student, it is merely a "lawyers lobby".

    ;-)

    PS: I hope that my way of addressing you satisfies Mr. Brown.

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      TROY Thanks for the invite. The term Editor in publishing is not a job description, it's a title like a Bishop or Pricipal. To address some one as Principal McGurk or Bishop Fineberg or Editor Berlach is perfectly proper. I approve whole heartedly. It's simply to show Editor Berlack that we recognize the work he does for us and we look up to him for doing it. There is nothing wrong with me saying Phil is a good guy but addressing him I say Editor. I hope it makes him feel special and I know he appreciates it. Ed

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  6. http://www.cjad.com/cjad-news/2014/01/17/watch-video-of-familys-presentation-at-charter-hearings-goes-viral



    Among those who turned up during the first week of public hearings on the PQ's proposed secularism charter — three members of the same family who appeared somewhat puzzled by Muslim customs on their travels abroad — and who appear worried about those customs coming to Quebec.

    "Praying on all fours on little carpets, what is that?" Geneviève Caron told the hearings this past week, as she told of a visit to a mosque in Morocco, which she says she was "marked by".

    A little later on, the video shows Claude Pineault — also appearing before the hearings as a private citizen — telling of two masked pickpockets he came across in Morocco. "Who was under those disguises, women? Men? I don't know. All I know is that it's unthinkable to allow people to walk around like that in Quebec — on the streets, in public places, anywhere."

    Later on, he told of hearing of a call to prayer at a mosque in Istanbul, which he called "disturbing", and in the next breath, he told of how he doesn't feel as safe as he once did in the streets of Montreal, with all the street gangs.

    He adds some opportunistic politicians "are ready to have us go back a thousand years or more with religious wars."

    "I'm not at all racist," he concludes.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhFfkxTrkbw

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    1. Infoman is going to have a field day with all this material!

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    2. I really hoped this was a joke....I hope they never accidentally walk into a yoga class, all those people on mats in weird positions!

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  7. This week the state of New York passed legislation banning discrimination against workers for the "wearing of any attire, clothing, or facial hair in accordance with the requirements of his or her religion."

    http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=A00864&term=2013&Summary=Y&Actions=Y&Votes=Y&Memo=Y&Text=Y

    Maybe they read what Lisee was saying in his New York Times op-ed pieces and concluded that he is a moron!

    Included in the text of the law is a Justification section. Does Bill 60 have a Justification section?

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    1. My grandson is in pre-K in Brooklyn and in anticipation the Martin Luther King holiday on Monday, the four year olds are getting a lesson this week from teachers on how all men and women are created equal.
      Intolerance, just like tolerance is a learned behaviour and so just what is the lesson is Mr. Drainville sending?
      If asked to comment on the above legislation, perhaps Mr. Drainville could explain how Quebec is ahead of New York in social understanding.
      Children in New York are taught to look past colour and dress. Here...not so much.

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    2. Hey student!

      I am waiting for your expert legal opinion on the New York State religious accommodation law. Please enlighten me so I can become as wise as you.

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    3. @theo

      well let's see what happens with it. they are doing a bit like canada i guess with allowing anyone to invoke any religion to do anything as long as the business is not hurt too much. that's not surprising when you consider the cultural proximity of roc canadians and americans.

      does it mean a new york judge could run a trial wearing a niqab? i guess it does. don't you foresee anything not quite right here theo?

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    4. "does it mean a new york judge could run a trial wearing a niqab? i guess it does. don't you foresee anything not quite right here theo?"

      Only if you discriminate against people based on what religious items they wear, due to your prejudiced fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance of them....now if only there was a word for that.

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    5. @thatguy

      same question again, but more direct. you stand trial, your judge wears a niqab. no issue?

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    6. No issue whatsoever. Care to enlighten us on why you have an issue with it? One I would hope whose basis is not on created a prejudices opinion of the judge based solely on what he/she looks like?

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    7. @student

      If I was to stand trial, I would take advice from my niqab-wearing lawyer so you would have to ask her if there is a problem with a niqab-wearing judge.

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    8. @thatguy

      interesting. you guys have a very niche opinion. and what if the judge wears a burqa? still fine? so to sum it up a judge can't show up in blue jeans, but a burqa is fine. haven't i succeeded in highlighting the absurdity of your position?

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    9. "so to sum it up a judge can't show up in blue jeans, but a burqa is fine. haven't i succeeded in highlighting the absurdity of your position?"

      Not really because I never said I think he can't show up in blue jeans. I think blue jeans are the bees knees. I also don't think not judging someone based on what they is a niche opinion. Still waiting on what your problem with a judge wearing a religious symbol is!

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      If the judge is wearing a burqa and sitting next to a monkey feeding a goat, I will ask my lawyer for his/her opinion on this.

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    11. @thatguy

      ah! so you are against the ban on blue jeans for judges too. should the judge be allowed to show up in a bikini?

      "I also don't think not judging someone based on what they is a niche opinion."

      well if you ran a poll about the niqab judge you'd be the one per cent mate. it doesn't mean you're wrong, but it does mean you're niche.

      "Still waiting on what your problem with a judge wearing a religious symbol is!"

      well if my judge believes that he'll go to hell if he takes his hat off, or if she's so chaste that she has to hide in a balluchon, i'll wonder if he or she's rational enough to handle my case. that's my problem. am i the crazy chap here? or is it you?

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    12. "ah! so you are against the ban on blue jeans for judges too. should the judge be allowed to show up in a bikini?"

      Honestly I could careless what someone wears, not sure how many times we need to rehash this.

      "well if my judge believes that he'll go to hell if he takes his hat off, or if she's so chaste that she has to hide in a balluchon, i'll wonder if he or she's rational enough to handle my case. that's my problem. am i the crazy chap here? or is it you?"

      So if a judge, who went to law school, who learnt all of our laws and how they are applied, graduated, went on to become a successful lawyer, who was then chosen by the government and a committee of his/her peers because of their knowledge and application of the law to be a judge, is standing before you wearing a religious symbol you would discount all of that and assume they were not rational enough to handle your case, simply because of what they wear? Student I told you to give a reason that wasn't based on prejudice. You're making 2 erroneous assumptions.

      1. You know what a persons beliefs are based on something they wear.
      2. You assume they can't do their job properly because they hold the said assumed personal beliefs.

      That's some pretty distasteful prejudice there. I mean if someone is so prejudiced against Muslims and the charter goes through and they show up in court and the judge is brown, they might then assume they are a Muslim, but they don't know for sure anymore, so they have to assume all brown people are Muslims, and then they'll worry that the same worry you put forward, so what then? Pretty ridiculous bending over backwards for paranoid bigots wouldn't you say?

      If you're going to discount someones' credentials, knowledge, intelligence, position and accomplishments based on wearing items of clothing millions of people all over the world wear, yes you probably are the crazy one.

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  8. "Who was under those disguises, women? Men?

    TssTss...Pas si idiot que vous le croyez...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFQhpfPAXEk

    Mdr!

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    1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlXE1Yq0AnQ

      You don't need a burka to dress up as a woman! lol we better start banning wigs and make up too!

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  9. FROM ED
    The case of the falling overpass concrete reminds me of an incident during the 1970's when Nixon put a 55 mph speed limit in the U.S. Indepndent truckers went on strike and were at war with teamsters who refused to join them The company I drove for being a teamsters out fit kept working and we were being attacked everywhere. Americans are prone to violence. I was attacked while unloading cars from the trailer and if I had not been wearing a steel hard hat I'd be dead now. But a favourite trick they used was dropping rocks from the overheads.
    When I spotted them I would drive right at them, chech the mirror to assure there was no one beside me and at the last moment swerve to the next lane. One day on the Pennsylvania turnpike a rig passed me doing about 80 and suddenly started to slow down ahead of me. he swerved from side to side then ran up the embankment and tipped onto his left side. When I looked in the drivers head was gone. They had dropped a slab of shale that decapitated him. I shut off the engine and waited for the police. Kids think that dropping things onto cars is a joke but it is deadly serious.
    One thing I don't understand is why the contractor's that built the overpass are not called to answer.. Lavalin is getting away with murder, literally. Ed

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    1. "One thing I don't understand is why the contractor's that built the overpass are not called to answer.. Lavalin is getting away with murder, literally."

      people usually get away with murder easy when no one dies mate.

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      http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/get+away+with+murder

      @ Ed
      So far as I know maintenance was the provinces responsibility so they're on the hook for that. If the structures are crumbling prematurely perhaps there would be grounds for a civil suit to recoup some money on shoddy work, but I doubt it :S.

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      sure, but ed added literally. kinda dismisses the figurative meaning doesn't it?

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    4. See definition #2 and the explanation below it, but in short no, no it does not.

      http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally

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      Thatguy, this was a hell of a lot more than shoddy work. These failures are caused by using second grade material where first class was paid for.. That's what the corruption is all about. it would be very easy to examine the material and prove that they used cement instead of concrete for instance. This was not ineptitude, it is fraud. They defrauded the government and now the government is covering up for them. Ed

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    6. @ Ed
      I can't comment too much on the construction or materials, really not my area of expertise, but it would be really interesting to get a look at some of the construction contracts from then and see if one could find out if it was corruption or ineptitude (on the governments side) that lead to the companies getting away with it and the current predicament, also whether material type was specified or length of life and repair costs were included in said contracts.

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    7. Student contends: "People usually get away with murder easy when no one dies, mate."
      People have died.:
      http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/5-who-died-in-laval-overpass-disaster-honoured-as-inquiry-begins-1.646111

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    8. FROM ED
      Thatguy, ( don't know how much you would find in the contracts. The Rrench work so much by rule of thumb. My friend was first in his engineering class every year at McGill . He left Dominion Engineering for a smaller frm where he felt his work might stand out which ispretty hard ina place where evryone is an engineer. The owner of the company was also the head designer although he never went to univerity. Ken designed a machine that would make 1000 copies and switch to a different front page without stopping The boss told him to enlarge a certain part. Ken told him if he did the machine would not work. The rod at 3/8ths was all it needed and 1/2 inch would be too much without redigning the machine. Without measuring or testing the boss looked at the drawing and made it clear he wanted the change . When the machine didn't work he got mad at Ken. Ken told him off and left the company. When Dominion engineering built they made it to last and knew it took the best materils to do that. Lavelin knew that too but cheated anyway. I've noticed over my life that they prefer a handshake o a written document. No paper trail Criminal.. .

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  10. Victor Hugo: "Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities also has the power to make you commit atrocities"

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    1. very true mate. good one.

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    2. Awesome, so Student just admitted that the Charte is a totally absurd sham.

      Any other seppies want to pledge?

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    3. Il faisait évidemment référence aux religions...Surtout la musulmane.

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    4. Âmes sensibles,veuillez vous abstenir

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGBpRwGZjbM

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      what? please provide the whole "reasoning" that lets you conclude such a funny thing.

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    6. The quote is actually from Voltaire denouncing the acts of the catholic church, though out of context it could be prescribed to any movement or ideology religious or not. Voltaire believed in freedom of religion so take of that what you will.

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  11. "Poll shows Bill 101 divides province decades after passage." What kind of title is that? Bill 101 was intended to protect the French language in the Province of Quebec, not to bring people closer. Obviously, if a charter favors a certain group, others will complain. If it hasn't been for more than 30 years of Bill 101, the poll question would have been "How would you evaluate the relations between the English majority and other minorities?" 30 years from now, when "charia" will have take over common law in Ontario, everybody will want to move in Quebec...

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    1. Maritime Union

      Methinks S.R has seen more dickends than weekends.

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    2. @Maritime Union

      Comment va la pêche en haute-mer ces temps-ci ?

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    3. i agree. this question is designed to fool the average reader. you seem to be above average mate.

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    4. Maritime Union

      Finding it difficult to close my wallet lately, How is Bonhomme?

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    5. Ontarians will be attracted to Montreal by the booming economy that the Muslim mayor has created.

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    6. Se pourrait-il qu'il en soit de même pour votre gueule?

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    7. Maritime Union

      @ student

      Obviously your are below average since you didn't understand the question

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    8. "Bill 101 was intended to protect the French language in the Province of Quebec, not to bring people closer."

      and yet this is what the PQ has said about Bill 101, as a justification for the charter of values and how it will bring people closer together also.

      "Obviously, if a charter favors a certain group, others will complain"

      Hmm favours one group, kind of sounds like discrimination.

      The rest is alarmist paranoia.

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    9. @maritime union

      ?? how can you not agree with thethirdkind's argument? it's limpid mate.

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    10. @thatguy

      "Hmm favours one group, kind of sounds like discrimination."

      then it follows that all laws are discriminatory in your humble opinion. should we scrap all laws?

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    11. No need to jump to the typical nonsensical student hyperbole, only get rid of laws that discriminate against people for who they are (ie group) instead of what they've done to others (ie actions).

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    12. @thatguy

      wearing a costume is an action. so is printing a poster.

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    13. @student
      "wearing a costume is an action."
      Not one that is done to others, please read to the end of sentences.

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    14. @thatguy

      i did, action was the last word of your sentence. i think showing off your your religion is an action done to others.

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    15. " i think showing off your your religion is an action done to others."
      Well in that you're assuming a volition on the part of the religious person to do it so that other see it, a rather large assumption, when the goal of most of them is to affirm your covenant or connection with god.
      It also assumes that the other person who sees it is extremely insecure while also believes that they are the centre of the universe and that if someone else wears something it is for that persons benefit to see.
      Finally seeing a religious symbol causes no demonstrable physical or mental harm to anyone other than people with prejudges against minority groups, who may get angry or fearful out of ignorance, however I'm of the very strong opinion that it is better to try and bring these people into the 21st century, and be more accepting of people and not judge them based on their religion, instead of kowtowing to them and discriminating against minorities.

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    @student

    Only the discriminatory ones like Bill 101

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    1. Vous ne seriez pas un membre actif de la "Anglo Society of New Brunswick" par hasard?

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    2. all laws discriminate against people who'd prefer to do what the law forbids. so thatguy can not hope to question a law's validity by claiming it "discriminates". you need to invoke other concepts like the greater good or morality for example. do you understand now maritime union?

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    3. Student there is more than one different definition of discriminates please learn the difference between them, and don't apply the wrong one to statements in order to go on long pointless erroneous rants.
      http://www.thefreedictionary.com/discriminates

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    4. By AnecTOTE

      I wrote this in the previous blog post, but I think it merits repeating:

      Student a.k.a pinstripes ....has been mandated with the task of distracting and actually hijacking the conversation any way she can with bull crap...usually in the form of grabbing silly misinformation out of her ass and posting it on this blog. She doesn't post for the Followers of the blog, she posts for the international audience who visits from time to time and who may not entirely be aware of how things really are in this province, like those who may have an interest in investing in this province and decide to do some real homework besides reading the usual politically accepted reporting that mainstream media provides. Rather, they prefer to put their ear to the ground and get a better gauge of what is really going on in this primitive society.

      Please do not waste your time trying to convince her of anything by engaging her in discourse. Think of her like a little machine created to spew out propaganda in the vain attempt to redeem the "quebec" brand. She's not suppose to debate with anyone or make the mistake of getting on the defensive..she's probably being admonished for doing both since it is counterproductive to the prescribed seppie Agenda. Unfortunately for her, the jig is up. Now...if IF actually sends over some kind of intelligent life form instead of a brain-washed inconsequential pond scum , who can pull off the plan without inciting suspicion, it would be different. I know...they lack the brainpower for it. This one is past its expiry date and stinks worst than a skunk.

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    5. @hands off my hijab

      it's not true. you're truly excited mate. what a freakshow.

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    6. By AnecTOTE

      Exhibit A

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    7. @AnecTOTE

      That's hilarious!

      You know what? She reminds me of a wind up toy.

      Whenever you feel like having a laugh you just wind up the crank in her back and then watch her go.

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  13. Bill 60, much like Bill 101, is a bourgeois attempt to divide the population in order to hide the sad economic realities of Quebec. By constantly talking about it, you're engaging in the distracting and the bourgeois will continue to win over the working class. Don't let their paternal, nationalist rhetoric fool you. They don't give two damns about the working class and neither do the so called "unions". Such debates would never occur if the means of production were controlled by the workers, and not the corporatists.

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    1. you too like thatguy and theo think a judge should be allowed to run a trial clad in a burqa?

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    2. Psst student, your prejudice is showing again, might want to put it away. Most judges wear robes and a wig in parts of the world, you might think that to be weird as well, but only because you're not used to it and ignorant of the culture, time to do some growing up and stop judging people on what they wear.

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    3. @Thatguy

      Si les uniformes n'ont aucune importance...Pourquoi existent-ils?

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    4. By AnecTOTE

      @thatguy

      Did I mention you are wasting your time? It is a fact: not everyone is endowed with the mental sophistication to see past the surface of things and not judge; cerebral acrobats, after all, is not for everyone and let's face it, to boot, we're dealing with mental couch potatoes here further cursed by those unattractive faults such as racism and prejudice. Best we can hope for is that in this day and age, most (honorable) people aren't still stooping to the "easy-out" of judging a book by its cover, an ugly old habit (pun intended).

      'Deep-diving' isn't for everyone unfortunately and yet that is where Treasures lie.

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    5. @hands off my hijab

      "...we're dealing with mental couch potatoes here further cursed by those unattractive faults such as racism..."

      earlier you wrote french canadians are an inferior species. is it safe for me to assume you are actually refering to yourself in the above quote mate?

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      Exhibit B

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    7. Les anglos,racistes?Noooon

      "Otto Dietrich

      A lot most people in this type of situation moves to ontairio and the western provinces even though most francophone people don't have a high I q and are on welfare as their finacial haven because their elevator don't go to the eleventh floor of their brains they feel threatened by anglophones and by imigrants which are smarter and can learn other languages and trades and actually make the economy turn and pay their welfare cheques... "

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    8. By AnecTOTE

      Btw, can someone hand me a gas mask? Lol

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    9. By AnecTOTE

      It will astonish you to discover, s.r., that my message is universal, there are plenty if people out there doing exactly that, but if you felt specifically wounded by what I expressed, it is perhaps because, fundamentally it rings true to you and you identify? Wakey-wakey,!!

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    10. Possible mais mon identité ne réside pas dans des bout de tissus.

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    11. "that my message is universal, there are plenty if people out there doing exactly that"

      Combien s'empoisonne au quotidien avec du McDo,aussi universel ?

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    12. "Best we can hope for is that in this day and age, most (honorable) people aren't still stooping to the "easy-out" of judging a book by its cover, an ugly old habit (pun intended)."

      True enough, though I still hope for reformation of those who have not yet reached a higher level of thinking. The saddest part is they are not cognisant of their prejudges or biases, or at the very least they spend an awful lot of mental effort in being in denial about it.

      Take SR for example, he routinely takes one random internet quote or video of one or some people of a certain group and then either says or implies all members of said group are the same. Yet I'm sure he'd never admit to engaging in stereotyping or bigotry, because he is simply ignorant that that is what he is doing. Hopefully it is possible to help this poor soul rise above his current short comings.

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    13. By AnecTOTE

      "Possible mais mon identité ne réside pas dans des bout de tissus."

      Exhibit C

      Thanks for proving my theory about 'cerebral acrobatics' and 'deep-diving' not being everyone's forte. You're the gift that keeps on giving!


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    14. "though I still hope for reformation of those who have not yet reached a higher level of thinking"

      Les penseurs de haute voltige n'abondent pas sur ce blogue.Vous êtes probablement le seul.

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    15. "Take SR for example, he routinely takes one random internet quote or video"

      Que pensez-vous de la vidéo qui circule sur tous les médias,mettant en vedette une pauvre famille de Québécois témoignant de leur expérience au Maroc,dans le cadre des audiences sur la charte des valeurs?

      Et du fait que la plupart des détracteurs en profitent allégrement pour mettre tous les pro-charte dans le même panier?

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    16. By AnecTOTE

      "Et du fait que la plupart des détracteurs en profitent allégrement pour mettre tous les pro-charte dans le même panier?"

      Were I too see a slew of hijab wearing, kippah wearing and turban wearing individuals complaining and protesting that they are being coerced by internal forces to wear these items and they don't want to, and their Right to choose is being violated, then I would be right out there with them as well, in support of their protest. My entire point isn't to defend the items they are wearing necessarily, but defend their Right to choose, THAT'S where I am coming from. That is what I keep emphasizing. I have yet to see a group of Muslim women, for example, come forth and complain that they are forced to wear the religious attire. Most of the pro-charter folk are not the people I just described and ....clearly, blatantly and obviously have their own hidden (racist-driven) agendas for being pro-charter, and I have yet to see anything to the contrary.

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    17. By AnecTOTE

      By the way s.r., I meant to tell u, (for your ears only, your worst nightmare come true, please sit for this one in case you pass out or faint), you are never going to believe this, but I just spent an entire week with colleagues from the RoC and several expressed to me how they are considering moving to quebec for a few years at least just so their kids become fluently bilingual attending French school and are not in any way disadvantaged when it comes to their future in this country and possible careers, imagine that? Here you are beating yourselves silly trying to figure out how to get rid of the RoC and next thing you know it will be invading your little haven ...in droves ....cause you've made such a fuss about the French Language and it's relevance Lol! I must admit I was taken aback and was shocked ....but also quite amused to hear of it, especially because many seemed to be so serious about it and asked all kind of questions. Chalk one up for...forward-thinkers in this country, you and yours can certainly stand to borrow a page from that book! The Lord does work in mysterious ways..don't he..s.r? MDR. No, I am not making this up...I wish I were.

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    18. @s.r

      "Et du fait que la plupart des détracteurs en profitent allégrement pour mettre tous les pro-charte dans le même panier?"

      that is super cheap from pq bashers. marc tanguay doing all he could for the interview to drag was pityful. he made it obvious that the liberals are not in to think it through and figure out the best deal for quebec society but to hurt the parti québécois and basta. petty stuff.

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    19. Maritime Union

      Student, please get out of your frenzy and stop speaking nonsense. I would appreciate it.

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    20. Tanguay qui a dancé le cha-cha-tchador

      Finalement les députées pourront-elle le porter en 2027 ?

      :)

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    21. @maritime union

      please quote me mate.

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    22. @hands off my hijab

      "Here you are beating yourselves silly trying to figure out how to get rid of the RoC and next thing you know it will be invading your little haven ...in droves ..."

      what about the alleged exodus argument? you use to try to scare honest readers with it since you joined the blog. you'll miss it mate. or do you plan to use both depending on what's fitting to diss the pq or french canadians? to be honest the second option is more you.

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    23. This is the only thing I could think of when watching those people ramble on at the hearings.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

      I blame whoever let them get up, I assume they submit a docket in order to present. I mean even Drainville thought they were too extreme, and he wants to regulate what people wear! Though I can't blame them, they've clearly been overly insulated for the majority of their lives, only ever seeing one thing certainly restricts ones' world view.

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    24. "you too like thatguy and theo think a judge should be allowed to run a trial clad in a burqa?"

      Student - You know what turns my stomach? How you and other small minded separatist come up with the most thinly veiled excuses to cover your hatred towards "Les Autres". A judge wearing a Burqa is not at issue. Nor is it about any piece of clothing or symbols that judge may wear.

      CUT THE BULLSHIT AND COME CLEAN, you could strip this judge nude, dress them up in typical clothes a Quebecois wears, and teach them to speak perfect Quebecois French, complete with over the top Quebecois accent. You would still not accept them, because they were not born here, because they are not French by blood and ancestry. No separatist truly cares about overt religious symbols and clothing, oh, except as offensive reminders that the person underneath wearing them is A FOREIGN ENTITY. It is not about ANYTHING except WHERE and WHAT that person was born, period.

      It's the same bullshit with Bill 101 and Bill 15, they have nothing to do with protecting French language and culture, which you know are absurdly safe. It's a cowardly excuse to hide behind while you cleanse the province of anyone DIFFERENT. Right now that cleansing process is done bureaucratically. What will you do when there are still offensive non-Quebecois left behind when this plan fails? Should I even guess at the next step and what's involved to purify Quebec?

      If you're going to be a racist monster, at least stop hiding under those silly disguises, because we can plainly see right through them. Talk about a wolf in sheep's clothing....problem is the wolf underneath keeps peeking out.

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    25. @apple iigs

      racist monster? me?

      you lost it mate. that's a very hateful comment. i'll take the two points. so long.

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    26. @Apples

      Bravoooo...Standing O...wow...the jig is....officially up!!
      Btw, Apples..did you read my commentary below.. on pinstripes? Lol

      NEXT!!!

      @IF

      Can you send us someone less stupid please, ...please... Please!! Just flush this useless troll or she'll stink up your place as well, (did I mention she makes you look bad?).

      Suddenly, I feel sorry for the fishies, lol

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    27. B.R

      CUT THE BULLSHIT AND COME CLEAN

      You first

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    28. Student - I expected as much, pointing out a Quebec nationalist for being racist, automatically turns it around to labeling myself as the racist. Reminds me of having a serious talk with a small child who replies, "I know you are, but what I am?".

      As a matter of fact, this what it's like having a conversation with you:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5P5eQiKNQs

      And if you truly believe in Quebec's Charter of Values, then you are either incredibly naive or incredibly lacking in intelligence. If it's the former, than I apologize and I feel quite sorry for you.

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    29. @apple iigs

      "pointing out a Quebec nationalist for being racist,..."

      the thing is you built up a huge kit of crazy motives and impugned them to me. so you pointed something all right, but it wasn't me mate.

      "automatically turns it around to labeling myself as the racist"

      when did i do that?!? or should i have done it? are you a racist? do you think, along anectote, that french canadians are a lower species?

      mate you are acting erratically. you need to pull yourself together.

      "And if you truly believe in Quebec's Charter of Values, then you are either incredibly naive or incredibly lacking in intelligence."

      why?

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    30. I haven't seen student say anything racist so I don't think that label applies, student is however very prejudiced against detectable religious individuals, going so far as to say "i think showing off your your religion is an action done to others." and as to why a judge wearing a religious symbol is unacceptable "i'll wonder if he or she's rational enough to handle my case"

      Yikes.

      Which is unfortunate for student because only about 24% of people are irreligious, which means student will have to be concerned that 3 out of 4 people might not be rational enough to do their jobs! I'm not quite sure how student thinks banning religious symbols will solve the "problem" of these religious individuals that student might wonder if they're rational, unless the hope is they all quit if the charter goes through, but darn there are still those 3 out of 4 hidden religious people to worry about now, and they could be anybody! So after all the discrimination of minorities, student will still be stuck wondering if the janitor at the SAAQ is rational enough to mop the floor, because hey, he could be religious.

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    31. Student -

      the thing is you built up a huge kit of crazy motives and impugned them to me. so you pointed something all right, but it wasn't me mate.

      It's not just your comments above, one only has to read your views posted to this blog site in the past couple of weeks to get an idea where you stand and what kind of value system you have.

      when did i do that?!? or should i have done it? are you a racist? do you think, along anectote, that french canadians are a lower species?

      There you go again. Implying that I'm racist against French Canadians, to the point of even trying to put words in my mouth.


      And if you truly believe in Quebec's Charter of Values, then you are either incredibly naive or incredibly lacking in intelligence."

      why?


      If I have to explain what is wrong with the so-called Charter of Values, then you really are naive. Likely though, you're just baiting me (and others) into pointless arguments to watch us waste our breath. That's just trolling. You may find it funny, but I don't consider the persecution of people having any humor.

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      @Apples

      Let me save you some time and effort, pinstripes is a lower life form, she no longer even qualifies as a troll, you know those things that scrape the bottom of a barrel, ...as far as I'm concerned, she doesn't rate that high, lol......omit all exchanges with her. Personally, I know I drive her crazy, if she is not following me around like a lost puppy seeking validation, she's talking about me in some useless post, inventing things I have never said to shift focus, attention and blame. Frankly, the attention she attributes to me has become rather embarrassing, I get under her skin and she's handling it poorly, lol. Truth is...it's become boring and I no longer want to keep repeating what I have said time and time again: she's, ...It....it is irrelevant pond scum, ..so walk around it. Make like it is not there, since it isn't, it's a dumb mouth piece with someone's hand shoved up its back for effect. It emits goo...not much you can do with goo.

      It is beneath us to engage with puppet-slop. Please ignore it.

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  14. Well done Quebec...NOT!!!

    http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/woman-claims-she-was-told-to-leave-hospital-and-province-for-requesting-english-service-1.1645046

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  15. The Caron’s profess that they have traveled to many parts of the world and I am assuming that they are roman catholic. Describing her trip to Morocco
    “We entered a mosque and we were told to remove our shoes,” she recounted. “What do you mean? Why would we need to do that?”
    She described how those coming to pray would kneel on a large carpet inside the mosque.
    “I asked, ‘What’s going on here?’” she said. “There were men on the ground on all fours.”
    “Voyons! What are they doing? He told me that they were praying . . . H’sti! What’s this all about?”
    She detailed how, when they continued the tour of the mosque, they discovered to her surprise that there was a large curtain, behind which were only women, praying on all fours as well.
    “I was scarred by this!” she noted. “I got back on the bus and I said to myself, ‘How can this be?’” In French
    http://globalnews.ca/news/1090217/quebec-charter-hearing-witness-relates-mosque-experience-in-testimony/
    She is not aware, Pope John Paul II self-flagellated to get closer to Jesus
    http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/01/27/pope.flagellate/
    Then we have this, self flagellating in Italy
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2bSDCeRwv8
    This one is better, crucifixion in Cebu, Philippines not for weak stomachs
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1hlFBMrlss
    During prayer services in Orthodox synagogues, seating is almost always separate
    Closer to home, roman catholic priests cannot marry, women cannot be priests.
    Then* Duplessis Orphans* This is for the folks that are not aware of Quebec history.
    Beginning in the 1940s and continuing into the 1960s, Quebec Premier Maurice Duplessis, in cooperation with the Roman Catholic Church which ran the orphanages, developed a scheme to obtain federal funding for thousands of children
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duplessis_Orphans
    *proves french canadians have a history of being abused* who said that
    It takes courage to tell the world that the Québécois are *dumber than a box of hammers*
    In my travels, I am not proud to say I am from that backward province called QUEBEC but I do love the place(what do you call that syndrome). Where is that guy*you want to make a country*
    @ AnecTOTE this is for you. A BURQA-CLAD mother of seven
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPzKrAOpSA8
    Now meet me between the rock and a hard place and we will cry or laugh on each other’s shoulder.

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  16. By AnecTOTE

    @WAC

    Thank you for that link and I did watch that video. I don't discount there are dishonorable people on both sides of the equation, and it is too bad that these same people with their disingenuous actions taint the issue for everyone in general. But it does't change my stance, which is to defend a citizen's Right to choose. That must prevail overall. Instances such as the one we see in that video should be treated singularly, as in a case by case basis. What we saw is a veiled woman trying to pull a fast one, does that mean that her actions are to be projected onto all women who are veiled? Rather unfair if we would. At the end of the day, and I keep repeating this but people confuse the issue. My fight ...my battle is to defend Rights and Freedoms for all, simply put. I will stand with a woman who wears a hijab or whatever because that is what she chooses and I will stand with the one who chooses not to wear one, as long as both maintain their Right to choice, THAT is non-negotiable as far as I'm concerned. Also let's bear in mind what that little video closes with, let's use our common sense, when required for specific circumstances, they must show their faces and it is deemed acceptable by the culture. I really don't consider that this puts us between a rock and a hard place if we use common sense.

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    1. @hands off my hijab

      "...when required for specific circumstances, they must show their faces..."

      but what about their right to choose!?! you know that thing that prevails overall? your fight, your battle, remember? the non-negociable thing?!?

      haha. please try to conceal your contradictions a bit better mate. you're making it too easy for me. what a joke.

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      Exhibit D

      (yawn)

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    3. I'm not sure how the old guy at the end thinks that the whole situation proves the need for a ban, they convicted her even without lifting her veil. Hats off the police officer her was one courteous and cool cucumber.

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      @thatguy

      She acted dishonorably and she got what was coming to her, as for the cop, he was a cool cucumber because he was doing his job and knew the camera was rolling ?...And justice for all!

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    5. The story really raises the possible importance of police officers wearing cameras tt all times, the idea has been bandied about in Montreal recently in reaction to the increase of police complaints (or at least more public ones) would be interesting to see if they would change citizen and police behaviour as well as possibly decrease court time?

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  17. Thought this might stir up even more debate: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/01/18/conrad-black-a-merger-with-the-u-s-would-be-a-great-leap-backwards-for-canada/

    As they'd say on SNL: "Discuss!, Discuss!"

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    1. Theo,

      Maybe it is better for you to read Diane Francis's book first - or at least its excerpt - before passing judgement to Conrad Black.

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    2. @Troy

      I have no interest in reading his newspaper piece or the book.

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    3. @theo

      is it because you're afraid of alternate point of views?

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    4. Anyway back to the original article, he puts forth many good points against such a plan (can't say I've read the book for the counter points), but I think most Canadians would be against the idea based solely on the governmental system down there and the lack of it's functioning as of late with the debt ceiling, allowing unlimited donations to political parties (superpacs etc).

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  18. Conrad Black is a convicted criminal. He has renounced his Canadian citizenship. I do not value his opinion.

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    1. nelson mandela and ghandi were also convicted criminals, did you value their opinions? if you do you'll have to find something else to dodge black's arguments.

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    2. You're a real piece of work, eh?

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    3. @theo

      you write stupid things i bust them. that's how it works.

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    4. Holy Crap! Now I've heard everything.

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    5. "more appetizing than the fairy tale being peddled to the nationalist voters of Quebec by René Lévesque, Jacques Parizeau, and ultimately Lucien Bouchard: essentially a sovereign Quebec still receiving transfer payments from English Canada and basking in the full faith and credit of the Canadian treasury. Rarely has such a flagrant attempt to sell the concept of consuming a rich cake and still having it before you, got so far with a serious democratic electorate as did the two Quebec independence referendum questions of 1980 and 1995."

      "In the intervening years, the independence of Quebec has receded to high improbability,"

      Not sure why student is defending Conrad Black other than to be contrarian again, but hey those are some choice quotes.

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    6. @thatguy

      "Not sure why student is defending Conrad Black..."

      when did i do that?!? by busting some shit arguments by a dude who railed against him? is that how you do things thatguy? you won't oppose a mate if he's going after the right guys, even if his arguments are shit? many of you seem to operate this way. is this a cultural trait?

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    7. Look out ... he's gonna blow ...

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    8. "many of you seem to operate this way. is this a cultural trait?"

      Now, now student, who is this "you" you speak of? And what culture are you talking about? You don't know either me or Theo so I'm not sure why you're trying to put us into groups. Also you call me mate all the time so of course I'll oppose mates! I don't even know Theo, you need to calm down, you're getting a bit worked up today.

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    9. @thatguy

      "who is this "you" you speak of?"

      by you i meant anglo canadian. i course i could be wrong and you could be from mongolia and theo could be from france, that's why i used the word seem and asked for your confirmation with a question, unlike apple iigs, anectote and other rougher contributors that will just blurt the most absurd things like if they were some oracle.

      "And what culture are you talking about?"

      you tell me. on every post anectote or ed or you will write the most absurd things on the internet and no one reacts but me. and you give the key here by wondering why i'd go after a guy who's attacking a dude that's probably my adversary too. i may be wrong and only you lack the ethics needed to avoid this bad behaviour.

      "Also you call me mate all the time so of course I'll oppose mates!"

      haha. right. you got me there mate. (facepalm)

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    10. "that's why i used the word seem"
      I don't want to get into the finer points of grammar with you, but in the sentence "many of you seem to operate this way. is this a cultural trait?" "seem" is after "you" but before "operate" meaning that the insinuation is the way in which the nebulous group you reference operates is what you are reporting the impression of, not that you think Theo and I are in the same group.

      I'd also like to remind you to not try and lump people into categories based on sweet nothing and then attempt to assign thoughts or cultures to them, you're already most unfortunately gone down that road on this post already.

      "on every post anectote or ed or you will write the most absurd things on the internet and no one reacts but me"
      If what I wrote was absurd you'd have a bit of a better go at this whole debate thing with me, you wouldn't veer off into side shows all the time and rant on and on about a word you don't understand, or drop the entire thread when you back yourself into a corner. Though I don't blame you, your sophistry is top notch, the problem truly lies with your ideological core, it simply is not sound and cannot withstand scrutiny, the longer a debate goes on you will invariably lose because of it. SR understands this rule of trolldom, that's why his replies are always short and reveal as little about himself or his ideals as possible.

      Now if you actually think you are the great defender of the internet, hate to break it to you, they actually gave that job to some guy in Milwaukee, he's a nice enough bloke, and he doesn't pull hissy fits when he's wrong. You're also clearly wrong, demonstrably so, by saying I don't go after people, who you see, as being on the same side as me (because the world is that black and white to you apparently) I've disagreed with probably everyone on this board about something, I'd do it more often, but geeze student I'm just so hard up for time when I have to deal with your prolific pointlessly contrarian garbage all of the time.

      No hard feelings about you trying to lump me into a group, no need to try so desperately hard to back-pedal on it, but try and stay on topic in the future mate ;)

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  19. Holy Crap! Now I've heard everything.

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    1. wrong again. you've read everything.

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  20. #ImportantMatters

    @Biz_loco_locass 1 h
    À entendre les discussions de coin, le grand gagnant du combat #Pascal #Bute est le français.

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  21. FROM ED
    I'm amazed student has takenover the blog. Everyone is addressing thought to her for her approval. She is an astute troll doing her job to the ultimate. She even has Anectote and Thatguy in her pocketbook. The ones who said don't talk to the trolls are in constant conversation. Out of 191 posts 165 are direcrted at her or about her.. Some of the most useless drivel I've ever seen has been today.. Do you really expect sensible posters to enter into this crap EDITOR.
    The blog reminds me of the TV show called "The View" four women all takjing at once and saying othing usefull.
    Can you see Jarry street or Apparatchik entering such drivel. Also Sandy mcTire. These peolple would have no interest in the conversation we're experiencing. It's a real downer for such a beautiful blog. Ed

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    1. How else can you hear classic lines like "you write stupid things i bust them. that's how it works".

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    2. Chin up Ed, pretty much all the topics in the post have been covered by some discussion. Unfortunately the charter is what is hot right and as all the more level headed individuals who comment on this blog are against the charter for various reasons the only way to have a debate here is to engage with the very few who have taken it upon themselves to engage in the impossible task of defending this laughably bad legislation. Of course as you can see it has predictably not been ending well for them.

      I would like to point out I've never said don't talk to trolls. I would also like to say watch out what you say about The View, a lot of women love it, and you don't want to see Barbara Walters when she's angry!

      If there's any topics you feel are not being discussed or would like to discuss feel free to get the ball rolling.

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  22. FROM ED
    What mkes me laugh is S.R. He is not smart enough ti realize that the reason he doesn't get many answers is because he insists on publishing in French so no one bothers to read him Poor guy, what a dead banana. Ed

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    1. I just ignore what the dead banana says.

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