Monday, January 27, 2014

Charter is First Salvo In Quebec's War On Religion

Like a magician who keeps our concentration riveted on one hand while the other is stealing our watch, there is an unseen political drama that is playing out behind our back that absolutely nobody in the mainstream press has cottoned to.

Everyday our collective attention is glued to stories about the Charter of Values, where we diligently keep a scorecard of those who are for and those who are against, in order to see where we stand.
We are so invested in the utterances of the players on each side of the debate that our concentration has been diverted from the much larger issue playing out before us.

Months ago I watched an interview with Bernard Drainville where in response to a question about whether the Charter would spill over into private industry, he answered that he certainly hoped it would.
It was a short answer that went unnoticed, but sent chills up my spine.

Years ago in charge of over 1,000 employees I fine tuned my listening skills, not only to root out those who were telling lies or colouring the truth to their advantage, but rather the more complicated ability to understand the quiet and understated truths being presented.
And so I'm careful to listen to those quiet comments, sometimes thrown off as a subtle or sarcastic remark or an aside, that tells more about what a person is thinking than any direct question.

When Mr. Drainville answered that he'd he happy to see the Charter rub off on private industry, we should all of taken notice because it describes the government's true motive, which is to eliminate religion not only from government and its related agencies, but from public life in total!

Before I present other clues confirming this agenda, let me tell you why the PQ and sovereigntists are so dead set against religion.

It is simply because religion is an alternate and conflicting philosophy towards sovereignty and language which has in much of Quebec supplanted the dogma of traditional religion.

While there are no hard numbers confirming that people of traditional faith, be it Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc. are overwhelmingly federalist, its a fair assumption that politicians and observers can make.
It is no accident that the preamble of the Canadian Charter of Rights starts off with the statement of the 'supremacy of God' while the PQ is now proposing that the Quebec Charter of rights affirms in its preamble 'the primacy of the French Language as the fundamental value'
«la primauté du français» comme «valeur fondamentale de la nation québécoise».
It couldn't be clearer.

I don't think its a stretch to say that sovereingtists have replaced traditional faith in God and religion with the dogma of French as the Supreme deity with independence, its version of the promised land.

With this theory in hand let us examine for clues and lo and behold, the supporting evidence is not hard to find in the hearings into the Charter of Values being held by the National Assembly

In this well-choreographed assault on religion don't be fooled by the anti-charter speakers which are afforded the chance to speak.  These speakers are window-dressing, useful idiots  giving pretense of impartiality.
It is what is being presented on the PRO side that is intriguing and all telling.

First of all, make no mistake, the PQ is calling the shots as to who testifies and it is no accident that one of the first presenters were a family of redneck hicks who demonized Islam, "Imagine praying on all fours?" Watch the video with subtitles.
Was the appearance of these rubes an accident or a cleverly presented dose of religious hate? One has to consider that these people were thoroughly vetted before hand and therefore picked to say exactly what they said, what no politician on the ANTI side of the debate would dare.

Then further on, another witness was going on and on against ritual Kosher or Halal slaughter, which again has nothing to do with the Charter of Values and is nothing more than an attack on religion.

Further on, a certain Louise Mailloux unloaded on Amir Khadir for attending a rally of Muslims where the women sat apart from men and wore religious headdress, as if this was a violation of the equality of men and women. She then showed a video which depicted young Muslim girls embracing the Hijab in a religious-like ceremony meant to shock ordinary Quebecers as something abhorrent. Link{fr}

So according to this speaker, men and women sitting apart in a private meeting is a violation of the tenet of equality, another straightforward attack on religion.

So in the new Quebec, it would be no longer allowable for private citizens to meet in the manner they choose.
Makes sense right?
I wonder if Madame Mailloux would demand that the CURVES fitness centres reverse the policy of barring men as well?

Soon we will hear from those opposed to ritual circumcision, another bestial practice according to the secular, an unconscionable defilement of the innocent, while I'm sure no one will come forward to complain about parents piercing the ears of underage girls.

The hearings are a theatre of the absurd, meant to persuade and shape the ideas of francophone Quebecers that religion is bad.

Watch the witnesses who are testifying in favour of the Charter, most are really arguing against religion, in all its forms, because religiosity is the enemy of sovereignty, the entire exercise, a process of anti-religious proselytization, the suggestive power of government used to set Quebecers off God for good.

Crazy? Absurd?

First they came after your language, now your religion.
Is it really that big a surprise?

179 comments:

  1. The Romans initially perceived Christianity to be a threat because the Christians refused to make sacrifices to the emperor and recognise his semi-divinity. The Anglos and, the world in general, are refusing to recognise Franco superiority.

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    1. We certainly see a lot of "Franco superiority" at the Charbonneau commission.

      Quebec society has come so far in 50 years.

      From being ruled "by english" to stealing from themselves and bankrupting the province.

      Imagine what would happen if Francophones actually WANTED to destroy Quebec.

      It's hard to imagine a more successful plan then what we have going on now.


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    2. 'Franco superiority'? You mean Francos are a Master Race?
      It's pretty hard to recognize that which doesn't exist.

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    3. Well golly gee wilickers, if not even the whole world is recognizing Franco superiority, then Quebec should consider this:

      http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/05/29/matt-gurney-to-protect-the-french-language-quebec-must-separate-from-earth/

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    4. ce sont les maitres de la classe politique qui nous menent vers ce desastre, dont on vit au QC contemporain.
      No chance of a minority power vacuum in the short term, that is for sure

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    5. Bonjour Hugo. Il y a longtemps qu'on avait eu de tes nouvelles. Je pensais que tu étais retourné dans ton pays après t'être rendu compte que les Canadiens-anglais ne sont que la pâle copie d'un autre peuple qui n'apporte rien à la diversité culturelle du monde, alors que les Québécois forment un peuple à la langue et à la culture unique et qu'il n'est pas normal qu'un Anglo vienne s'établir au Québec pour imposer une langue hégémonique en Amérique du Nord. Il faut croire que non.

      Luka Rocco Magnota, Karla Homolka, Richard Bain, Hugo Shebbeare. Décidément, il faudrait mieux choisir les immigrants qui viennent s'établir chez nous.

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    6. The dread

      et toi, Y.L...Faudrait bien te déporter dans une autre colonie française pour que tu te TAIS et que tu ne te sentes plus menacé par la grosse mer anglophones qui t'entoure,...comme ça, il y aura un imbécile de moins en Amérique du nord...

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    7. @The Dread - please don't waste your time with Y.L either.

      I actually like having separatists like him around. They're so simple-mindedly KKK-like in nature that the separatist movement, which is already in it's dying phase, is guaranteed to sink further to the bottom of the political ocean.

      Hardcore chest-thumper separatists like S.R, Y.L and Student belong to a dying faction of the movement, that being the one led by the likes of Mario Beaulieu. In case you haven't noticed, that particular fringe of separatist is considered too much for other sovereignists.

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    8. @The Dread

      Here's an example of what I mean. Josée Legault is a well-known sovereignist, but despite being someone who qualifies as one of our opponents, she's able to call out bullshit when she sees it:

      http://blogues.journaldemontreal.com/joseelegault/politique-quebecoise/proximite-pq-ftq-les-questions-se-bousculent/

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  2. "Soon we will hear from those opposed to ritual circumcision, another bestial practice according to the secular, an unconscionable defilement of the innocent, while I'm sure no one will come forward to complain about parents piercing the ears of underage girls."

    Though I'm against both practises, to be fair only one grows back if the child no longer wants it when the grow up, not completely, but it is much less of an extreme form of body modification. The parents who perform circumcisions but have no religious convictions make absolutely no sense to me.

    "I wonder if Madame Mailloux would demand that the CURVES fitness centres reverse the policy of barring men as well?"
    Or demand the outlawing of separate bathrooms for the genders?

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    1. FROM ED
      How about the fact that circumcision has shown to extremely reduce the passing on of aids virus by the African doctors fighting the disease. This alone shows the value of it. Also, if you ever sept in atent or cabin at camp beside a boy who has not been properly instructed in hygeiene you wouild be all for circumcision. I stll remember as a twelve year old the counselor asked me to take him to the nurse. I remember his embarrassment and the smell of smegma when she pulled down his pants and showed him where the smell was coming from. From that day I was glad that I hade been circumcised at birth.Ed

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    2. Here's an article that lists a few myths surrounding the "advantages" of being circumcized : http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/moral-landscapes/201109/more-circumcision-myths-you-may-believe-hygiene-and-stds

      Although I do believe circumcision is a mutilation that should only be inflicted on oneself upon reaching the age of consent, I do understand that people who believe in the religious "virtues" of this operation would be quite shocked by some kind of ban.

      Really, the only consensus we can reach on the question is the fact that it is quite the conundrum !

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    3. @ed

      "From that day I was glad that I hade been circumcised at birth."

      why? are we to understand that just like your camp boyfriend you don't wash your pecker?!?

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    4. FROM ED
      Sam P, '
      I always take wth a grain of salt any article on circumcision done by a female. Your cli[psays the foreskin is firmly attachd to the head of the penis which is total bullshit. The doctor pulls the foreskin forward to cut it and it comes very easy. off. So much for the reliability of these clips. Smegma is created by boys who have not been told to pull back the skin when they urinate. Also wipe the semen off after ejaculation. Smegma is a combination of urine and semen closed in a warm damp place and germinating. If anyone can't see the danger in this they have therir eyes abd mind closed. With so many absent Fathers these days any safeguard is a good thing. Ed

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    5. Student, I'm not sure why you have so much interest in Ed's "pecker". Are you aware that he's in his 70s?

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    6. Je ne crois pas que le penis de Ed l'intéresse mais plutôt le lien entre l'hygiène et la circoncision.

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    7. Circumcision is a non-issue in religions where it is performed, so this whole discussion, aside from the hygiene issue, is a non-starter. On a side note, I wish I could remember who it was that requested the Editor censor a comment I made using the word smegma several months ago. Considering the consequences of poor hygiene in this manner, maybe we should refer to the trolls on this blog as smegma. Like that putrid secretion, they carry infection, irritation and a stench that can stink up a blog.

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    8. Typical Quebecois mindset. S.R and student can help but fantasize about a 70 year old penis.

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    9. By AnecTOTE

      Smegma=trolls?

      Works for me.

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    10. @sauga Google *Jews against circumcision* 1.4 Million hits. Then there is *Jewish mothers against circumcision*. Then
      Progressive Rabbis On Creating A Jewish Covenant Without Circumcision
      http://intactnews.org/node/142/1327690351/progressive-rabbis-creating-jewish-covenant-without-circumcision

      Mutilating a little boys' penis is not an acceptable practice in modern times
      The term Brit Shalom, “Covenant of Peace” is used to denote an alternative non-cutting naming ceremony
      Brit Shalom Celebrants
      http://www.circumstitions.com/Jewish-shalom.html

      'I respect your right to believe anything you choose;
      But don't expect me to respect everything you choose to believe'

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    11. FROM ED
      WAC I could find as many arguments olnine for cicumcision as you do against. Modern times has nothing to do with it. God ordained the practice and his word is forever.

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    12. @diogenes

      "I'm not sure why you have so much interest in Ed's "pecker"

      i'm not interested in ed's pecker, but more on the reason why he doesn't wash it. why else would he be so glad to be clipped?

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    13. @ed

      "God ordained the practice and his word is forever."

      the bigot has spoken.

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  3. Perhaps they should remove the cross from the Quebec flag.

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    1. ED do you understand what you read. Reread sauga’s first sentence. Your god is not mentioned but seeing that you brought him into the conversation:

      God is silent therefore he doesn't exist.
      If God wants something from me, he would tell me. He wouldn't leave someone else to do this, as if an infinite being were short on time. And he would certainly not leave fallible, sinful humans to deliver an endless plethora of confused and contradictory messages. God would deliver the message himself, directly, to each and every one of us, and with such clarity as the most brilliant(that is you ED) being in the universe could accomplish. We would all hear him out and shout "Eureka!" So obvious and well-demonstrated would his message be. It would be spoken to each of us in exactly those terms we would understand. And we would all agree on what that message was

      And again
      'I respect your right to believe anything you choose;
      But don't expect me to respect everything you choose to believe'

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  4. Well they may find that others do not quite agree that they are "superior" in any way whatsoever especially in the ROC and North America. All I can say is, if they really want isolation, let's give it to them. Partition this damn place and let those leave that don't want to get along with the rest of us that just want to be left in peace to practice whatever religion and language we want to. Why are we allowing approximately 3.5 to 4M people control the rest of us and our lifestyle is what I want to know. Kick them to the curb. This land belongs to ALL Canadians, not to the miserable bunch that are trying to take control of the rest of us!

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    1. "Why are we allowing approximately 3.5 to 4M people control the rest of us..."

      C'est ça la supérioté cutex003 :)

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    2. 3.5 to 4M people do not control us, they BULLY us.

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    3. By AnecTOTE

      They don't control us and they don't bully us, WE INDULGE THEM, like little spoiled children and they have turned into horrific monsters. Time to reign them in ...ya hear that Ottawa?

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    4. @hands off my hijab

      "Time to reign them in .."

      what do you mean?

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    5. Homh : Ya hear that Ottawa?

      ottawa : Yes but we don't fuckin care

      :)







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    6. It’s more like 2.5M. Half the size of the city of Toronto.

      The remainder are nice people, though.

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    7. @SR " Homh : Ya hear that Ottawa? / Ottawa : Yes but we don't fuckin care" ... SR, You could not have said this any better. MESSAGE to all Minorities living in Quebec, Ottawa abandoned you eons ago. There is no point in thinking that Ottawa will save the day as they have neither the courage nor the testicular fortitude to confront the issue. The only strategy which seems to work with Seppie is to ignore them and let them run their own show.

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    8. By AnecTOTE

      @WIMC

      Omggggg...I'm gonna pull my hair out..none of u get it. I don't want Canada to rescue the Minories in Quebec, I want Canada to show a backbone and defend Democracy EVERYWHERE in This country. It boasts that it is a model of a country, bla bla... by not reining in the abuses in Quebec, they are giving permission to everyone in the country to behave abusively, all other levels of government in the country...don't you get it? If you think you are far removed from the oppression that takes place in here you are greatly mistaken, cause if the PQ can get away with this kind of sh*t, who is to say the gov where you're at won't pull the same BS? It won't be language, it will be about something else....think about it and do something about it, or when it finally happens to you, you will be asking yourself..."Where is my Canada"

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    9. @Homh, "I want Canada to show a backbone and defend Democracy EVERYWHERE in This country" Before I answer this question, I would like to say that I too want the same thing however the reality is that Canada lost this fight when they allowed the notwithstanding clause into their Charter. We can thank Trudeau and Chretien for this great democratic act, I guess voting for his son is the next logical thing for all of us to do . The only way for Canada to defend democracy in Quebec is to turn off the financial tap. This is the only way you control democracy in Quebec. Ask union leaders, mayors and mafia leaders and provincial politicians and they will all tell you the same thing. Money = Democracy in Quebec. We buy our votes, proud and true.

      "If you think you are far removed from the oppression that takes place in here you are greatly mistaken" I'm not. I live with this bullshit every day. I see Rona and IGA circulars with English text 1/2 the size of the French words (This is not even a requirement by law). I call private multinational companies and press 9 for English and get people who insist on speaking to me in French when I am clearly speaking to them in English ( why even offer an English service if you won't respect the client's choice). I go to my cities portal (borough of Saint Leonard, click on the English link only to get a message that says "This page is not available" and reroutes me to the MTL portal page ( again why the F@#! do you even place a link only to display a message, just remove the link ) . @Homh until you can present me a Federal politician who can actually tackle the elephant in the room or explain to me why my Montreal vote is only worth 1/2 of what a rural vote is worth then all I can say is that Democracy in Quebec is Dead, if it ever existed at all.
      Vote Trudeau for our salvation !!!! < again sarcasm >

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  5. If Quebec's separatist under-class wants to carry on with their franco-supremacy, they may want to read this piece: http://nodogsoranglophones.blogspot.ca/2013/05/quebecs-hoity-toity-self-righteous.html

    ...and address the glaring hypocrisy behind the biggest myths and pre-canned answers these constantly spew out.

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    1. My favorite outtake from that piece (it does very much pertain to this piece given that culture is religion in Quebec):

      Separatist program: "In Quebec we have a distinctly more vibrant culture!"

      Reality (as conveyed through the Editor's pen): I often hear separatists tell me that Canadian English culture is just a pale imitation of its American big brother.

      This usually comes from someone who couldn't discern between a Texas twang and the nasal dialect of Brooklyn or Jersey.

      Discussing whose culture is better, is like comparing your children to my children, where beauty is decidedly in the eyes of beholder.

      But one thing is sure, there's nothing innovative or different in Quebecois culture where the top television shows are low rent

      French versions of the Dragons Den or the Price is Right and the top show an insipidly boring and dreary version of THE VIEW on Sunday night with stars and personalities that are most generously described as 'local.'

      The heavily subsidized movie industry, is lucky to crack out just two or three decent movies a year.

      As for music, dance, theater, and literature, well, I'll remain polite and say it isn't any worse than Canadian.

      Nothing to see here, move along.....

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    2. In Quebec, they also have distinctly more vibrant corruption!

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    3. By AnecTOTE

      Theo...you kill me and yes we cannot deny that out of everyone in this country..(maybe even all of North America)..the locals do have the most vibrant corruption ..indeed....kudos seppies! We're not worthy, lol we're not worthy, lolol

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  6. Yup.. as silly as it may sound you are not far off from the truth.
    I too wondered why that couple were allowed to testify, considering the Gov. had vetted their testimony. It was clear they were led in to for shock and scare value. No other reason as lets face it, their "story" has nothing to do with Bill 60. As for the Bill bleeding into the private sector.. well if it passes, private business with contracts with the government will have to follow it. So that's a close step, even huge step, in that direction already.

    Culture as a religion? I know several separatists (some more radical than others, but generally speaking good people), and I would have to agree they seem to put their faith and energies in the protection of "The Quebecois Culture" above pretty much everything else in life.

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  7. From a strategic point of view, this whole circus is a big risk for the PQ Separatists.
    First, the public lynching of Amir Khadir. Quebec Solidaire has the attention of around 8-10% of the electorate. That's 8-10% that came DIRECTLY from the PQ. It split the Separatist vote and simply cannot go unchallenged. It could actually mean the difference between a minority or a majority for the PQ. Now they have their guns aimed squarely at Khadir to neutralize QS. To demonize a photo of him talking to a group of Muslim voters sitting in a seating arrangement with which he had no involvement and then to present a video of girls proud to wear a scarf on their heads as if it was some sort of terrorist training video is inflammatory and plays into the ignorance based fear that characterize rural Quebecois voters. I'm not sure that this type of attack on a popular figure will net the PQ any success. QS voters tend to be urban, young and idealist. I doubt an appeal to ignorance will sway them but it may plant a seed of doubt with the rural Quebecois voter.
    Second, the PQ full frontal attack on minority religions and CUSTOMS will drive immigrants and minorities straight into the arms of the BIG TENT Liberals for the next few election cycles and will further characterize the Separatist movement as an Ethnic Nationalist project, (which it is). A risky move and I'm sure many in The PQ were against it. It's a bold strategy that has the potential to bury them but I have a sense that the PQ is fighting this election as if it's in survival mode and is ready to shed its thin veneer of civility and respect for minorities to win their majority. This is a scorched earth approach to getting re-elected because it appeals to the worst in people, the lowest common denominator. Their fear of the "other" and those that look or think different. It's a gamble I hope they lose. On another note, it should be said that the most popular politician in Quebec right now is Justin Trudeau. An educated, urban, bilingual, multiculturalist who also happens to be the offspring of the most reviled Federalist in Quebec history. Figure that one out.

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    1. Parizeau was backing the Option Nationale, haven't heard much from that party.

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    2. Parizeau and Option Nationale are both irrelevant. But anything that splits the Separatist vote should be welcomed and encouraged.

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  8. Editor: You wrote "First they came after your language, now your religion. Is it really that big a surprise"?

    As I wrote a couple of weeks ago or so, little by little, bit by bit, the limits of this collective bigotry is being tested, and with each test the oppression goes a little further. I guess after 40 years, the QQQ is finally losing patience and is now roaring for the kill.

    Language, then religion. What's next? Destroying the property of the minorities à la KKK with cross burinings and the Krystallnacht Nazis with extensive, brutal vandalism much like the Czar's pogroms in Russia?

    The limits are being tested...and tested...and tested...............

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    1. The St. Jean Baptiste Society already planted 101 crosses (sans burning) at the site of the new super hospital in NDG/Westmount, as a sign of intimidation and hostility towards the English community. Apparently they object to the fact that it will be a bilingual hospital, offering services in both English and French. By their standards, no hospital should offer services in any language but FRENCH (much like the French-only hosptial in Cornwall that refuses to treat English patients). If the doctors and nurses cannot understand you, or visa-versa, then you do not deserve emergency medical services by their logical. That's right, a hospital that works in BOTH languages is unacceptable. We're already seen this attitude is popping up in current Montreal hospitals.

      I've said the same thing repeatedly here for years. Quebec is going down a slippery slope. Right now Quebec's "cleansing" methods are of a bureaucratic nature, but there are strong signs it's headed towards cleansing through physical force and violence. Bill 60 is the verbal flame that will start the fire...wait, watch and see.

      I keep saying it, read the book Ten Green Bottles for a striking parallel of the situation in Quebec with that of Vienna in the 1920's and 30's. This kind of thing can happen anywhere if the flames of hate are fanned unchecked and left uncontrolled.

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    2. @apple iigs & @sauga

      is this a godwin circlejerk? fascinating.

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    3. By AnecTOTE

      Defend, defend.... defend, deflect, deflect ....deflect, deny, deny, deny....

      "Go Energizer Bunny!"Lol

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    4. @AnecTOTE - I wonder if her parents look at her and tell themselves "To think that abortion is legal and we didn't take advantage of it."

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    5. There are many on line now that want to vote the PQ into power, let there be a referendum and then take action to partition this place - anything to end this on-going blackmail and harassment from the separatists. They may well have a point. If the feds won't take action to end this, then the people will is how they see it.

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    6. By AnecTOTE

      I actually consider her a little terrorist, as she has all the tell-tale signs, but enough about her. I want to re-iterate what Apple iigs very astutely points out, Humanity is a lot like an alcoholic, it needs to check itself constantly not to fall off the wagon of previous deadly mistakes. What happened in nazi Germany, in Serbia, in Rhodesia, massive ethnic cleansing..is never too far away from us and it always starts the same way, with governments pushing the envelope a little bit at a time so you don't notice. If you are careless and apathetic, they manage to go the whole way till they self-destruct.

      Pay attention Folks, those of you who think the charter has nothing to do with you and you support it....evaluate the intention behind why they are trying to do this, you will discover, it has EVERYTHING to do with you. Fail to defend Rights and Freedoms today and it will haunt you tomorrow.

      Stay vigilant and denounce the wrong-doings.

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    7. AnecTOTE: My concern is we've already passed the point of no return in regards to the Charter. Once the official government (which the PQ is, like it or not) publicly spoke about it as policy and rule, to the point producing pictorial charts VISUALLY TARGETING ethnic minorities, they created a very dangerous and volatile situation.

      I hate to say it for sounding like I'm generalizing, but the majority of Quebec's population is unfortunately very small minded, ignorant and poorly educated. Disagree? Well how else can you explain the Parti Quebecois re-elected repeatedly over the past 40 years, despite their destructive track record? How else do you explain such vast support for the Charter of Values? Anyone with even some glimmer of intelligence can see right through the transparency of the Charter and what it really is about.

      Back on what I was saying, even if the Charter were rescinded, the damage is already done and the call has gone out. They've essentially put out a "wanted" poster for ethnics and visibly minorities, and telling the public we need your help resolving "the problem"....if not, the state will fall. Mix all this blame and scapegoating with a failing and collapsing economy, and the consequences are quite frightening.

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  9. Je viens d'apprendre que certains anglos sont incapables de réussir un simple test de français,dont celui de l'O.Q.L.F.

    Est-ce une blague ou pas?

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    1. Actually he passed 3 out of the 4 sections of the test. He failed the section where you have to write a 250 word essay on a given topic without making more than 7 or 8 grammatical or spelling mistakes, something many Pur Laine Francophones have a hard time doing even though it's their mother tongue.

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    2. Audio

      https://soundcloud.com/cjad800/nurse-language-jeff-powell?in=cjad800/sets/cjad-800-audio-highlights

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  10. Just think of all the tax money they can pocket for themselves if they don't have to give tax exemptions for religious organizations. They're not stupid and all you need do is follow the money. Same with the anglophone institutions - that we pay for with our own tax money but they will not have to give anything to them either. More for the mafia and the unions.

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  11. FROM ED
    When Karfl Marx said, "Religion is sthe opiate of the masses." he was not referring to putting them to sleepbut saying the Church is where people find reief from the trials of life. The PQ are trying to say religion causes the daily trials we face. I have sent a letter to C ardinal Turcotte of Quebec asking that he make the priests in Quebec aware that the existence of the Church in Quebec is in danger. I have aked that he relay to them that the people must support their Church or lose it. Ed

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    1. You make that sound like a bad thing, Ed.

      That's the Church that fed them the false doctrine that God will provide even if they have families the size of a rabbit's.

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      Hey Mr. S.
      I make 'what' sound like a bad thing? I don't understand.
      Actually in the Christian Bible we are told God will provide. From Jewish history we have learned God will provide as he gave manna to the Jewish people fleeing from Egypt. He no longer spreads it on the ground, for Christians he puts it in a super market and leaves it to us how it should be paid for after we give him his ten percent and render unto Marois that which is Marois.. At Ararat he said replenish the Earth. he didn't specify numbers so the Church decided as many as possible just to be on the safe side. and get more money. You make no sense Saugy everybody knows that people are bigger than rabbits. It was also at Ararat that God said men babies should be circumcized. He even had it done to his own son Jesus. Christians are often in denial. The reason that the Lord's privates are hidden on a crucifix is so that Catholics won't have to face the act that their Lord Jesus is a Jew. Ed.

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    3. Ed: I was pertaining to what you wrote at the end of your prior comment "...the people must support their Church or lose it. I doubt their devious church will be totally lost, but it certainly has taken a pruning. For all the good it did those way oversized families, if the church was eliminated due to natural attrition, not by force in any way, it would be no great loss.

      Please understand I have no problem with individual Catholics, just most religious institutions, including the synagogue. Houses of worship of all types are fine for those who need something to cling to, but over the years, let's face it, scriptures can be interpreted as many ways as there are fingerprints on living people in the world. Much of what I have read and heard in sermons, while at times interesting depending on the abilities of the speaker or writer, more often than not contains biases, coercion unsubstantiated events and false doctrines. Does that mean I don't have any moral fiber because I'm secular? Does that make me void of spirituality? Am I therefore impious?

      I like to believe I have governed my life in an honest, forthright and clean manner, and nobody has advised me I have done otherwise. Too bad the vast majority of those TV evangelists can't say the same.

      How many popes have killed and been killed within the Vatican ? How is it the pope gets to live in the lap of luxury while billions in the world are starving without a proper place to live? Isn't a vow of perpetual poverty requisite for joining the Church?

      A friend of a friend whose parent died a couple of years ago was in need of a minyan to recite evening prayers for the departed. He asked for the assistance of some men who were members of a particular synagogue, and they refused because he was not a member of their synagogue. I saw this as a sin because it's a significant mitzvah, and to refuse to help a person asking for such help, at least to me is inappropriate and extremely off-putting.

      Finally, let's face it. Most wars that have taken place in the world are over religion ever since religion gained a foothold in the world. I'm not saying we should attempt to make the world secular like Quebec is trying to do, but this is manifesting into a religious war. 9/11 was another example of this. The Holocaust was another. Here's an argument for you, Ed. The Lord is God, the Lord is one.

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    4. FROM ED
      Now Mr. S, you know very well the religion is not the building it is in the hearts of people. As Thomas Aquinas said when they asked him, "What do you think of your Church now?" referring to the infamous doings of the Borgias.. He answered, " I think it's wonderful. The fact that the Church survived shows that the Pope is not the Church, the people are the Church.."
      Churches and synagogue buildings are essential to bring good people together in the name of our Lord God. Yes, there is only one God and his son Jesus (who was born a Jew) commands us to praise God, his Father and ours. Our great country Canada that we are always bragging about became what it is because of a solid foundation created by believers of the Gospel and Torah. These were religious men, thank God; who wrote the ten commandments right into our laws.
      Too many people who claim to be secular like yourself, try to make religion look bad as an excuse to not have to comply to the two great commandments, (i.e. "Love God and love your neighbour as much as you love yourself.")
      Pointing out the indiscretions of Priests, Bishops and Rabbis does not excuse us from acting in the way we were created by God.Those who don't believe in crteation will come up before Giod day and he will show them what the 'Big Bang Theory' really is. It is just a TV show or really great piece of tail. Ed

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  12. Today’s question on TVA asks: “Do you think the Charter proposal divides Quebecers more than it unites them?”

    Looks like TVA's viewership is a more enlightened bunch than the PQ. 72% think the so-called Charter on Quebec's "Values" is divisive.

    No shit.

    Feel free to vote at:
    http://tva.canoe.ca/emissions/salutbonjour/

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    1. I dunno, Cat. I think most people already know the sky is blue and the grass is green. Cheers!

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      @Mr. Sauga

      "I dunno, Cat. I think most people already know the sky is blue and the grass is green. Cheers!"

      True! But then you have little terrorists who deny that the sky is blue and the grass is green and try to convince the masses otherwise.

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    3. Et vous avez les petits fédérastes qui tentent désespérément de nous faire croire que les Québécois sont des "canadians".

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    4. By AnecTOTE

      "Et vous avez les petits fédérastes qui tentent désespérément de nous faire croire que les Québécois sont des "canadians"."

      True statement: quebec is a province of Canada
      True statement: I was born in Quebec, and I bear a Canadian passport
      True statement: I am a resident of quebec an I am also a resident of Canada, therefore I am Canadian
      True statement: The sky is blue and the grass is green
      True statement: all quebec citizens are Canadians, except those hell bent on denying it, but even then, they remain Canadian.

      Truest statement of all: I'm Canadian, I am not necessarily a Federalist.

      Sometimes we need to think outside the box...try it sometime.

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    5. Vous m'avez presque convaincu...Vous êtes douée....'but try again" mais cette fois,sans utiliser la technique "brainwash" :)

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    6. By AnecTOTE

      Really s.r...to brainwash you, you would have to first undergo the seppie de-programming, then maybe we'd have a shot!

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    7. No wonder the PQ is desperately and cynically trying to manipulate the French-only Pineault-Caron hillbillies demographic; they will likely ditch them once they've been used too.

      The PQ only just barely managed to squeak in last time by manipulating the students, with Marois clanging her stupid pot covers. We haven’t heard a peep from them about their commitment to students ever since their phony “education summit” ended.

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    8. By AnecTOTE

      @Joseph

      Hopefully, all the other parties stress the main point: the quebec economy is neglected, in free fall toward its demise. The next 4 weeks have to be heavy campaigning stressing this point, by CAQ, Liberals, and QS.

      4 weeks minimum...PQ won't be calling an election in Feb. The others ave 28 days to switch it up and change the conversation.

      ACT NOW!

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  13. Interesting study on Quebec's finances. Particularly page 5 which shows our past, present and future population pyramids. Pretty soon, the ratio of workers supporting pensioners will be 1:1. That will basically spell the end of the Quebec Model. Taxes will have to be rocketed up and spending will have to be slashed just to make ends meet. Not somewhere I'd want to live or invest in.

    http://www.usherbrooke.ca/chaire-fiscalite/fileadmin/sites/chaire-fiscalite/documents/Cahiers-de-recherche/la_soutenabilite_budgetaire_du_Quebec_22janvier2014.pdf

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    1. FRO ED
      Lord D, I wonder what the ratio is in the ROC.? Ed

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  14. Québec : qui est derrière l'organisation de la manif du 14 septembre contre la Charte des valeurs ?

    http://www.postedeveille.ca/2013/09/quebec-qui-est-derriere-le-conseil-quebecois-contre-l-islamophobie.html

    Hmm

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  15. BOMBSHELL!!!
    3 Top ex bosses of the Quebec Provincial Police charged with corruption!
    http://goo.gl/kZPS6s

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    1. I am totally surprised and shocked, said almost no one.

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    2. First reported n La Presse.

      http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justice-et-affaires-criminelles/affaires-criminelles/201401/27/01-4732943-quatre-officiers-superieurs-de-la-sq-accuses-de-fraude.php

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    3. It's not a bombshell. They are francophone quebecers in positions of power.

      Corruption is as natural as the wind and the tree's to them.

      Corruption is cultural value of Quebec society.

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    4. @cebeurq

      ...and yet, even though THIS was proven true: bit.ly/1mRSAax

      It's called "Quebec Bashing"

      The Charbonneau Commission is proving it all true, yet our little ostriches appear capable of burying their heads into the hardest of ground.

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  16. The link doesn't seem to work, but that doesn't dampen my enjoyment at reading Editor's news. Now, if only these three Ex-QPP bosses can be tried, convicted, sentenced and imprisoned -- in a Quebec jail -- that would be even better news.

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    1. It worked for me, here's the story:


      Corruption charges laid against SQ bosses: reports

      Criminal charges were laid against four former members of the Sûreté du Québec’s top brass Monday.

      According to media reports, charges of fraud, theft and abuse of power were laid by summation against Richard Deschênes, the former director of the force, Steven Chabot, the former assistant director, Alfred Tremblay and Jean Audette. They will appear in court to face the charges on Feb. 13.

      It is alleged the group used the police force’s funds for illicit purposes, namely to top up a retirement bonus. The charges follow a year-long investigation by a special committee ordered by former public security minister Sylvain Bergeron to investigate the matter.

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    2. Thanks, Theo, for retrieving the story.

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  17. BOMBSHELL!!!
    3 Top ex bosses of the Quebec Provincial Police charged with corruption!
    Corrected URL
    http://goo.gl/0ZCNWA

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    1. Thanks for the revised URL, Editor. I wonder if this (alleged) fraud would have remained hidden if there hadn't been a nasty rivalry between one QPP chief and his eventual successor.

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      Theoooooo, where's Theo? Words of wisdom:

      "In Quebec, they also have distinctly more vibrant corruption!"

      Words were never truer!!!!

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    3. Quebec: The most corrupt province

      Reported in Maclean's magazine in 2010.
      http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/09/24/the-most-corrupt-province/

      Quebeckers are so damn proud of their corruption!

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    4. Wait I'm confused. These are 3 francophones not 3 Italians.

      The seppies always say that corruption isn;t really "them".

      Where is the failure in the logic? I no understand.

      Francophones can;t be the source of corruption, the PQ says so.

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    5. If it weren't for the ROC, Quebec would be Haiti of the North. Constant corruption and back scratching seems to be the only way to get things done here. Is corruption a Québécois Value? I think so! Quebec's carefree attitude when it comes to its 250 billion dollar debt is proof positive that the political class of Quebec doesn't give a rat's ass about future generations. "It's all about ME", should be the tag line on their election posters. Every single politician in that ASSembly should be working hard to address the looming debt explosion if intrest rate rise. But no, the're fingering themselves over Hijabs and Turbans while jobs are literally melting away. They have no solutions.

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      Anon...you are right on!!!!

      My new name: Neglected quebec Economy!

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    7. Que diriez-vous de : Neglected Québec angryphone.

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  18. By AnecTOTE

    What an amazing letter, succinct! From: The Gazette (Letters)

    "Quebec, Archie Bunker, and a nightmare on Elm street:

    Quebec is on a trip down memory lane, re-enacting its own version of some classic television and Hollywood fare.

    In the spirit of that ground-breaking sitcom from the 1970s, All in the Family, the charter of Quebec values has provided us with innumerable comments that would do Archie Bunker proud. The “Meatheads” are left staring in disbelief as the words of lawyers, educators, human rights organizations, healthcare professionals and businessmen are scoffed at and trivialized.

    We are in the middle of the Twilight Zone where issues such as head coverings, religion and language are what occupy the minds of politicians rather than standard government concerns such as the economy, infrastructure, healthcare and education.

    In addition, the Charbonneau Commission has revealed to us that Quebec is a real life version of Hollywood’s many great gangster films.

    Those in the population who see very clearly that Quebec’s dire financial and social situation is heading toward A Nightmare on Elm Street are akin to a movie audience watching helplessly as the lead character obliviously walks into the danger zone.

    Like Hollywood celebrities who spiral downward and need to hit rock bottom before finally turning themselves around, perhaps the Quebec political class needs to bring the province into total ruin before they, and those who support government dictating what a person wears on their head and curtailing use of the English language, will collectively have their Edith Bunker light bulb moment and finally understand the repercussions.

    Gayle A. Shinder

    Côte-St-Luc

    © Copyright (c) The Montreal Gazette"






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    1. ""erhaps the Quebec political class needs to bring the province into total ruin""

      exactly what I've been saying.

      Seppies cannot be convinced with logic.

      We have decades of history on that.

      Now that people start to realize that seppies cannot be reasoned with the goal should be to help dismantle and destroy Quebec society.

      As anglophones and immigrants we are constantly told it's not a culture that we are part of or represent etc.

      Once Quebec is in ruin then seppies will finally understand how destructive their politics and thinking is.

      Look at Queen of Angles closing. The result of decades of Bill 101 and dismantling the english society in Montreal and erasing it.

      It's time for Francophone culture and institutions to be bankrupted etc in the same ways.

      None of the institutions are meant to represent, care for, or help anglo's or immigrants.

      These institutions represent our oppressors not our friends.

      Ukraine is the model.

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  19. FROM ED
    Would ya believe the world is full of scammers. I bought a walker at the drugstore but I find it's more of a nuisance
    dragging it everywhere so now that I have a scooter I decided to sell it.
    i got 22 offers and now 5 more, everyone a scam. They all say "I will purchase it with a bank cheque, cash it and send me the money."
    Not one leitimate offer. I guess because unlike me most get them from the CLSC for free. Ed
    They could be all the same person for all I know.
    In f' 'in credible. Ed

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    1. The Gazette's West Island section has a want ads page, not sure if it's free.

      http://westislandgazette.com/marketplace/

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  20. Hahahahahahahah

    http://www.cjad.com/cjad-news/2014/01/27/bombardier-to-launch-factory-in-russia

    How awesome is that! Within a week of laying off Montreal they announce something new overseas.

    How come they didn;t open a new plant 800 km from Montreal?

    Because it would be in Quebec and have Quebec workers, Quebec unions, Quebec laws and NO CLIENTS!

    Workers that are more concerned with what language they speak at work then the quality of the work or how it works afterwards.

    The "quebec model" isn;t even able to attract more jobs from "pure-laine" francos like the ones running Bombardier.

    So funny. This is good news for partition of Quebec. Quebec is on it's way down. Good to see they didn;t invest here with billions more in our money. Quebec needs to go down fast.

    Bankruptcy is Quebec's future. Can;t be avoided.

    "Les Quebecois" should be so proud of their stewardship of the province.

    From multilingual powerhouse to francophone backwater in 50 years. Congratulations seppies.

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    1. Yes, the need to partition this province into those that want to work and prosper and those that are bums and have no intention of changing. Montreal, the Pontiac and the Outaouais want out of this madness that is the failing province of quebec! Let them separate and then cut this damn place into the pieces that don't deserve to be dragged down with the crazy people that want everything for absolutely nothing! Every minute of every day it gets worse!

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    2. HAH, so much for Bombardier claiming those 1,000 jobs lay offs in Quebec were temporary.

      Though that is something to consider, when jobs are lost, hotels close, companies fold and head offices leave the province, it is PERMANENT. They do not come back. And the provincial government buying new jobs via tax breaks, interest free loans and subsidies is not a turn-around...it is akin to borrowing money from your own savings and thinking it's a source of income!

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    3. Sounds like a made-in-Quebec government-driven Ponzi scheme. At some point the money runs out.

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    4. But, but Bombardier just received it's "french" certification! Doesn't that make everything else moot? Even Lisee attended the event this morning looking proud as a peacock while the province goes bankrupt! Hypocrites - damn them anyway!

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    5. By AnecTOTE

      Maybe the staff that is left at bombardier can take a copy of the certificate to bed while they lie there awake wondering when will it be their time to visit the unemployment line. Why are we even giving this airplay? It this kind of thing that has been detrimental to the Ecomomy of this province. Your are laying off thousands of workers, that silly piece of paper is hardly anything to get excited about. Truth be told, that piece of paper is probably what caused the layoffs.

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    6. That was the point AnecTOTE: It took them many years and God knows how much money to earn that stupid piece of paper and what the hell good is it when they had to lay off all those workers? Anyway, let's hope it's edible or at least worth something in bitcoins to those people!

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      It is since '86 they've been working on it and I am sure there is a reason why it happened now. I think they are buying time till they get the hell out here completely. If this means they get that time, then that's why they made it happen now. Time will tell, I'm bettin' they're splitsville in less than 5 yrs.

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    8. But Bombardier is doing great. Just today, the company finally receives its certificate in francization with a ceremony where two ministers are there to present the certificate.

      I have to shake my head at the ceremony. The company that I used to work in Kirkland had its certificate just hung on the reception area and not in the more popular places where they had all the awards and recognition showcased.

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  21. Even separatist pundits admit that there could be reason to separate Montreal from Quebec:

    http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/398381/le-parti-montrealais

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    @Editor

    I think we've exhausted the subject regarding the charter etc...we should keep talking about it definitely, as an aside at this pt, on this blog, but I would like to humbly suggest a future Post from you prodding the other provincial Party Leaders about changing the conversation, RIGHT NOW, to the poor track record of present minority government so far. Mostly, how inadequately this government has handled the other pressing issues and how it has grievously neglected the Economy, Infrastructure, Healthcare and harp on how they, the present chiefs, have been completely irresponsible toward the population of this province not undertaking and managing the REAL issues that plague quebec after a year and a half in power. And how they have wasted precious funds on a ridiculous project that should never have dominated the priorities. Ram home the point they have been incompetent and wasteful.

    Where is the CAQ? Doesn't Francois Legault want the job of Premier? Isn't that why he even formed this new party? Did that ambition die?

    Where is Mme David, Quebec Soilidaire... in all this? Why isn't she asking the hard questions to the PQ every time a microphone is shoved on her face?

    Where are the Liberals..AGAIN??? They should be having a field day with this one ...and turning the question back to the citizens of this province. "Would you rather the government hold useless Hearings on bill 60, or would you rather your government deal with more pressing problems of jump-starting your Economy which at this time is on Life-support, it has to bribe companies to stay here and you taxpayers are subsidizing the so-called jobs they are falsely creating?

    WHERE ARE THE PARTY STRATEGISTS? (For heaven sakes)

    Start with calling a press conference and showing everyone an account of what has been spent already on bill 60 and how that could have gone to repair unsafe overpasses.

    No more commentary on the charter, (make it loud and clear) and crank up the volume on present government negligence and make people feel guilty for not sticking to the real issues and demanding excellence of those they elected. Show a tally on your websites of how much money the have wasted so far....go viral with this info....and repeat, repeat, repeat.

    Do any of these party Leaders actually want the job of running this province? Or are they all too afraid and are just buying time coasting to a pension?

    There is a very small window of opportunity here....WAKE UP and grab it, or your inertia will be our downfall.

    I hope I am not giving this advice out in vain....I usually charge.

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    1. Vous êtes dans le sable mouvant,plus vous bougez plus vous vous enfoncez.La meilleure stratégie serait de vous taire mais surtout de ne pas bouger..."just saying".

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    2. Voici un autre bel exemple...misère

      Le crucifix au coeur des discussions au caucus du PLQ

      http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201401/28/01-4733163-le-crucifix-au-coeur-des-discussions-au-caucus-du-plq.php

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    3. Ah s.r. I know you have my best interest at heart, lol....I think you're scared shitless by what I just posted, and you should be.post, I've squarely put the seppies right where you claim I happen to be.

      Psssssttt...come closer...I do this for a living...and I live very well. Before A single Thought is a glimmer in your eye, I have dealt with it and moved on...just sayin'

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    4. @Hands off my baba ghannouj

      Ce n'était qu'un simple conseil et voilà que votre émotivité reprend le dessus sur votre raison...Une vraie boule d'émotions.

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    5. By AnecTOTE

      I think it was more of a veiled threat on you part eh s.r...telling me ...I am in quicksand? Should I be worried?...I think WE threaten people when WE are highly emotional and feel very afraid, except I didn't threaten anyone, but you did and in writing! Mmm

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    6. Mais calmez-vous un peu ToTo la panique...Vous savez que si vous agissiez ainsi dans un avion,vous seriez mise sous garde?Passeport canadien ou pas?

      Vous me rappellez vos compatriotes (un peu trop énervés) Daniel Seniw et Richard Bain.

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    7. By AnecTOTE

      Getting desperate I see...upping the antics? I think we blew the whistle on defend, deny and deflect tactics..ions ago. But I understand, desperate situations call for desperate measures, you're welcome to try, the troll in you prevails. I've been pushing the envelope and look at you..u caved.

      Just remember, I got your number, you threatened me, and I got it in writing and witnesses to boot.

      For those of you who have been paying attention to this thread and are in positions politically to make a difference, there's your proof ..the suggested direction, is the one to undertake. The blog troll is so desperate he's babbling all kinds of nonsense in the hope we back down.

      I've done so well, I ought to congratulate myself, put my feet up and have a nice cold beer, nevermind it is -20 outside.
      Ok, we're done here.

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    8. Stop talking to trolls. Just say NO to smegma!

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    9. "I got your number"

      Call me baby! ;)

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    10. "in the hope we back down."

      Ho que non,bien au contraire... :)

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    11. @hands of my hijab

      "I do this for a living...and I live very well."

      you and un gars bs de frankfort (may he rest in peace) are the only twits who brag about their income. it is so obviously useless. why do you feel the need to do this anyways mate?

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    12. I think it is easier to whine that other people are bragging about their incomes when one has nothing on one's own to show about.

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    13. Personnalité narcissique ?

      merci théo (voir commentaire plus bas)

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  23. The Charter has nothing to do with religion.
    If it really was about secularism/laicité they would have stuck with the original name. However that would have opened them up to too many (righteous) accusations of being bald-faced liars, since Christianity is going to be untouched by this Charter.

    The proof is in what it targets: religions that require visible proof of devotion to god, such as Judaism and Islam. Christianity requires no such thing, and the small crosses that some people like Maria Mourani wear are an affectation, but not a religious requirement.

    The most obvious, glaring proof is the crucifix that every politician in the province, from Premier Marois on down, insists will never be stripped from the National Assembly.

    Nope, this is the Charter of Nothing but Catholics allowed in Quebec. The PQ will continue to sing Xmas carols in front of the Christmas tree in the National Assembly when the Charter passes.

    Because let's face it: if the PQ had truly tried to pass a secular-only law, they'd lose the regions.



    The dumbest thing Charest ever did was fight Elections Quebec over redrawing the electoral map. If Montreal had the representation it deserved, this Charter would have been DOA.


    -Kevin

    It is legislated bigotry.

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    1. ""The dumbest thing Charest ever did was fight Elections Quebec over redrawing the electoral map. If Montreal had the representation it deserved, this Charter would have been DOA. ""

      You got that right. The amazing thing is the Liberals do it over and over. Look at the flip flopping over the charter. They are without principles.

      Liberals get scared off by positions. The moment they think they should do something then they start to wonder how the toothless francophone in the hinterland will perceive it.

      The politicians live to satisfy the welfare francophones outside Montreal.

      The rest of the province is just along for the ride and to supply the money.

      Charest should be ashamed of himself. Holding off the corruption inquiry and prevented the maps from being redrawn.

      IF the problems of Quebec get solved then the shakedown of Canada cannot continue.

      All Quebec politicians know that.

      They say they want good roads that last forever. In reality the love roads that collapse and need to be redone early. It creates work for their friends and union members and creates employment for otherwise unemployable francophones.

      Every politican says the right words "We need better infrastructure" but in reality thy are all super happy with the status quo.

      Fixing a democratic deficit is not to Quebec benefit.

      Francophones need to lie and manipulate if they are going to "win" and keep fleecing Canada for money and bullying it's anglophone/immigrant citizens.

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    2. ontario : Yours to discover

      Et ce n'est qu'à quelques kilomètres...Allez!...Un p'tit effort,vous y êtes presque :)

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    3. Im not going anywhere until Francophone quebec society gets repaid for all the harassment of anglo's and immigrants.

      Once I do go, Ontario won;t be far enough away.

      Once you leave Quebec, you never want to hear about the place ever again. the way to guarentee that is to make sure it's in economic ruin.

      If we can get massive civil unrest, protests and some burning office towers that's just a bonus.

      Quebec, destroy it before the seppies do!

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    4. Quebec is going towards rock-bottom. Like an out-of-control alcoholic or drug addict, Quebec has to hit rock-bottom before it realizes what it is doing.

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    5. "Like an out-of-control alcoholic or drug addict,"

      Plus court de dire : Rob Ford

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      "The dumbest thing Charest ever did was fight Elections Quebec over redrawing the electoral map. If Montreal had the representation it deserved, this Charter would have been DOA."

      I have always had a sneaking suspicion that the quebec nationalists (this includes the PLQ), have wanted to secretly sabotage Montreal. Look at it. Everything that is falling apart, is falling apart here, on the island. But plenty of money gets pumped into the rest of quebec, especially quebec city. Montreal wears a different face from the Roq, and it gets punished for it, consistently, that's another argument for partition.

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    7. FROM ED
      Kevin, when you and other Monday mornng quarter backs judge Jean Charest you should remember his positiion at the timer. Charest stood alone and walked a
      tight rope between the English, who never supported him and the threats of the merciless unions and gangsters. When Ducheneau showed a little courage and support, Charest moved a ahead, still at great risk. With the evidence Ducheneau had been sitting on Charest was able to form the Charbonneau inquiry. The public had been asking for the investigation but none of the politicians were asking, they knew the danger and were all afraid
      Charest acted bravely and it cost him his career. We should be thankful. Ed

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    8. @S.R.
      Why the fuck should I leave my home just because some politicians are assholes?
      You are an offensive little shit for making the suggestion.

      -Kevin

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    9. @FROM ED
      What the hell are you talking about?

      Elections Quebec. Redistributing voting districts so that we have fair representation when we step into the voting booth. Charest fought against this tooth and nail when Elections Quebec tried to eliminate rural ridings in 2007. He fought it again in 2009, and it was only settled in 2012.

      Why? Because the Liberals didn't want to offend the people who live in places where there are more cows than people.


      The rest of what you wrote is absolute nonsense since you seem to think that, contrary to all the evidence, it was Charest who wanted to call the corruption inquiry.
      In the Real World it was the ADQ who started demanding an inquiry while Charest was leading a minority government. Six months later the PQ joined in.
      Charest never wanted an inquiry and tried to bury it by hiring Duchesneau -- but Duchesneau LEAKED his report when he realized Charest was going to bury it under the rug.

      Good god man do you never read a newspaper?

      -Kevin



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    11. "Why the..biiiippp.....should I leave my home because some politicians are....biippp ?
      You are an offensive little...biiiipp....for making the suggestion."

      Et autant de scénarios catastrophes et de bashing sur l'ensemble de notre Nation pour quelques politiciens ?

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    12. @S.R.
      Voici le probleme: c'est pas TON nation.
      Il y a plusieurs cultures et nations à Quebec. C'etait tjrs le cas et il serait tjrs le cas. Oui c'est concentré à Montreal et l'estrie, mais c'est seulement parce que quands 'les autres' visitent le reste du Quebec ils sont vue comme des extra-terrestes.

      Le seul probleme, c'est les quebecois rurals sont trop homogeneux, ils ont peur de la metropole.

      Je trouve bizarre, parce que Quebec est le seul place ou les jeunes qui habitent au campagne ont peur d'aller en ville.

      -Kevin

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  24. Une organisation musulmane menace de poursuivre Harper

    http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201401/28/01-4733234-une-organisation-musulmane-menace-de-poursuivre-harper.php

    Haha!

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  25. http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/Bixi+paid+bonuses+with+bankruptcy+looming/9439802/story.html

    Confirming "Les Quebecois" inability to be honest.

    Quebecers usually just claim ignorance of "conflict of interest" etc. They prefer to admit they are stupid, uneducated then corrupt over and over.

    Clearly that's a failing in the education system.

    Stupid or corrupt, the end result is the same.

    From "Maitre chez nous" to "Voleur chez nous"

    Seppies must be so proud of all they are able to accomplish.

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  26. By AnecTOTE

    @Theo

    What a great word... Smegma!!

    Sorry can't answer you in the specific thread above, thus doing so here. Sometimes it is important to do recon...I never waste my time when I engage that troll, there is a specific agenda behind it.

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    1. What can S.R. stand for? Superior Race? Social Reject? Separatist Retard? Smegma Rules!

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    3. FROM ED
      You say you never waste time when you engage the troll but you do waste ours.You use up the REPLY buttons needlessly and the rest of us are left out in the cold. You act like your above the rest of us and we don't matter. You have been asked by many people to stop engaging the trolls but you ignore all of us including The EDITOR. Ed

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    4. @ed

      ed s.r and i were wondering yesterday about the absolute worst contributor to the blog. finalists are cutie003, anectote and you. who gets the top prize in your humble opinion?

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  27. LOL - Just announced that the report on the construction corruption has been released and surprise: "Not even laws can change the construction industry in Quebec" - well cebeq you're absolutely right - criminals are part of their "proud culture". OMG - if we don't partition this place, we are surely not doing the only thing possible to get rid of these crazy people! Our new bilingual province will start anew without these inbred stupid socialists that are killing us economically.

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    1. Excellent comment! "inbred stupid socialists." I was always under the suspicion that Pauline Marois was missing a chromosome and exhibits characteristics of Downs Syndrome.

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    2. Cutie,

      Nothing can be done. Quebec society is the problem. The close relationship between the unions, mafia and govt is the problem.

      Really nothing can change without "the Quebec model" going out the window. That's inconceivable to any Quebec politicians so we get our eventual decline.

      If we want to cut down on corruption we need to start opening up Quebec to other construction compaies and labour from Ontario etc. Not goign to happen obviously. Nobody would eve hire a seppie for anything ever.

      This is the only way to get the mafia and union companies to the fringes. Let big international companies in to change the landscape.

      The problem of course is that the $50/hr workers that do nothing all day don;t work for non quebec companies.

      The entire Quebec model is setup to provide employment for otherwise unemployable goons, criminals and the lazy.

      Dismantling the Quebec model leaves all the francophone quebecers without any jobs.

      Imagine if people started getting fired for incompetence or fraud. There wouldn;t be anybody left.

      Quebec, taking it's playbook from the USA on this considers it's construction industry "too big to fail". IE it can never be allowed to suffer or collapse.

      Just like in the USA where that means the fraud of wall street lawyers continues. In Quebec that is an endless license to steal. Quebec will never crack down on the construction unions.

      They virtually control the voting block of seppies.

      This is all window dressing.

      The music will only stop once we are bankrupt.

      This is why it's so exciting to see Sears, Humpty Dumpty, Bombardier etc close down or move out.

      Every job we lose brings us a little bit closer to the end game of Quebec breaking up into civil war and then partitioning into Quebec and Upper Canada.

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    3. Vous confondez trisomie 21 et consanguinité anonymus.

      J'espère que vous ne travaillez pas pour les services sociaux :)

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  28. From The Rationalist:

    I am shocked. I am disappointed. Here we have an Editor who's blessed with a keen interest in English and minority rights, who's a devotee of Quebec's national religion - Hockey and who evidently is a MOT (member of the tribe of Abraham, Jacob and Isaac for those of you who've been living on some other planet), and he hadn't thought of this. Of what? LES NORDIQUES!

    How likely do you think Mr. Bettman will be to answer the prayers of the good folks of Quebec City and the rest of Quebec. Mssrs Lebaume and Peladeau are busy spending our millions of tax dollars building their Nouveau Colisée for the resurection of Les Nordiques. All the while Mme Marois and M. Drainville are busy promoting their new law to ban those who look too Jewish from any public function. Not like there are too many workers with kippahs applying for jobs at this new Colisseum - but that's kind of beside the point. Because not only will Jews that are too visible be expunged from places like publicly owned hockey arenas, but they are to be banished from working in hospitals and universities.

    I can just see it now. Bettman and such team owners as Daryl Katz (a generous donor to Toronto's Mount Sinai), or Henry Samueli (the son of Holocaust survivors), or Ed Snider (a generous supporter of Chabad Lubavitch) or Larry Tannenbaum (one of the founders of CIJA, the successor to the Canadain Jewish Congress) are just going to sit on there derrières and approve a franchise for Quebec City while Quebec beats up on its Jews. Yeah. Right.

    Now, Mr. Editor, why don't you have a go at that little scenario. I'm sure the voters in Quebec City, in fact voters all across Quebec will be ever so thankful to Mme Marois and M. Drainville for an empty Colisée. Just think. They built it and they never came. And all because of the Péquiste's cynical grab for a majority government.

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  29. I have a post prepared exactly on that subject to be published after the passage of the Charter.
    It is called 'Revenge of the Jews.' and no, there's not a snowball's chance in Hell of Quebec getting a team with Marois in power and PKP at the helm.

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    1. From The Rationalist:

      I think you should publish something on this now. I was out for supper with a group of friends, one of whom is fairly well known in the sporting world. A proud nationalist and sovereignist. - actually opposed to the Charter. When I suggested that Mme Marois and M. Drainville were jeapordizing his hopes of seeing Les Nordiques return to his home town, well at first he wanted to sock me. And then he became depressed. I mean, clinically depressed! I think the time to discuss the permanent destruction of the Nordiques dream is now. After all, it's all Quebecers' tax dollars that are on the line.

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    2. By AnecTOTE

      Omgggggggggg...The Rationalist is right, if that "hick" family from the Show-now-playing at the charter hearings is any indication of the rampant ignorance in this province, things have to be spelled out for them ASAP. You may also need to draw them a picture, just for shock value, lol, That's what we're dealing with. Although when I brought it up to a colleague I work with (in qc city), at first he became very quiet and then he said, "he wouldn't do that would he?", re: Bettman. The other stuff, I can't repeat.

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    3. Who said QC was getting another team anyway? I don't remember the NHL saying anything of the sort. It just something else that Quebecers think that they are owed when they deserve nothing. another point is the C$ heading south and the impact that would have(if its feasible). Frenchies rant and rave how quebec is the center of the hockey universe with considering the popularity of Toronto, Vancouver, Edm etc. If any market deserves another team it is Toronto considering the Leafs account for probably close to half league revenue.

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    4. From The Rationalist:

      Assuming that there is any validity to this Bill 60 (which I do not), we keep hearing that in the best interests of Quebec and its future, the issues surrounding the presence of the "intégristes" must be dealt with now. That for the "mieux vivre ensemble", sacrifices must be made. No matter that intégristes and the wearing of a hijab or kippah are far from synonymous. Muslims and Jews are being asked to make the sacrifice, to throw their more observant co-religionists under the bus, for the greater good.

      Okay, so what is the majority, what are French Canadians prepared to sacrifice? Well, they get to keep the crucifix which is displayed at most public buildings of a certain age - and of course, which is prominently placed over the Speaker's chair in the National Assembly. And they get to keep wearing a cross at work - so long as it's not oversized. And they keep their stranglehold on the Quebec civil service, where less than 1% of the employees are anglophone. In fact, no quid pro quo.

      Guess what folks, there is a price to pay. And although there has never been any guarantee that the Nordiques will return, one thing can be said for certain: Never will an NHL team play in a facility which discriminates in its hiring practices. And never will a respectable multi-national company concerned about its public image lend its name to anything that can be seen as anti-Semitic or racist. So bye bye, les Nordiques.

      And just to think that Mme Marois and M. Drainville didn't have the courage to ask Quebecers whether they agreed to have their dream for an NHL team returning to Quebec City destroyed.

      And that will be just one of the items in this game of quid pro quo. What about the Palais des congès in Montreal and the Centre des conférences in Quebec City. As word gets out about this hateful law, and it is - it's already attracted coverage from the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Atlantic, attention will be drawn to the revulsion of holding conferences in a facility that discriminates against Jews who look too Jewish and Muslims who look too Muslim. In a province that proposes to remove them from public service!

      So you see, there will be a sacrifice - and it won't just be the handful of workers currently free to show their religious convictions.

      It's time that Quebec politicians turn their attention away from the show-trial organized by M. Drainville in the Salon Rouge to the fututre and the devestating effects his cynical project is likely to have on our - Mieux Vivre Ensemble!

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    5. By AnecTOTE

      I once suggested that our beloved local hockey team be boycotted, (yeahhh...I had the nerve, imagine that) but no one seemed to catch my drift...Timing is everything ain't it? I hope my suggestion of seizing that little window of opportunity now, to make a difference, not fall on deaf ears, again.

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    6. @neglected quebec economy

      "...no one seemed to catch my drift...(...) I hope my suggestion (...) not fall on deaf ears, again."

      haha. who do you think you are mate? since when do angryphone freaks have any kind of influence? hint: never.

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    7. FROM ED
      Why the hell would you want to boycott the Canadians. What have they done to anyone. They are doing their best to stay neutral in this damned mess. Leave them alone. I agree with Student . Why would you think we should listen to such an inane suggestion? Ed

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  30. Corruption in Quebec in politics, the unions and the police. So where's the outrage?

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    1. Business as usual in Quebec.

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    2. More same old, same old. Weeks before seeking bankruptcy protection, Bixi paid its employees $275,000 in bonuses.

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    3. All of these payments will be attacked by the bankruptcy liquidator.
      The bonus are not ordinary salary and under these circumstances are just not allowed under the law.
      To those who got the bonuses, all I can say is don't spend the money,

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    4. "all I can say is don't spend the money"

      Ah maaaannnnn,

      I just spent it all on hookers, coke and bar rails.

      Editor, what can I do now?

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    5. Editor,

      Don;t be so naive. That won;t happen in Quebec. We need to have a functioning justice system or that to happen.

      That would be like charging the mafia we all know and see everyday, politicians or the people we see at Charbonneau on wire taps.

      The judge will say "the worker has been exploited and has no way to pay the money back. To the "company (ie us) it's only a small amount" and it will be forgiven.

      Quebec likes to forgive not punish.

      Another reason we get into these messes.

      The criminals know they are speaking to Barrak Obama when they deal with Quebec legal system and culture. "Don;t cross that red line" or I'll say stop again...

      All the criminals and others at the Charbonneau remind us of this over and over.

      There is no stigma in doing business with criminals. (wink wink)

      I believe in second chances and rehabilitation. lol!

      Taking money from union worker at the city of Montreal and giving it back to the citizens?

      Chance of this? Absolutely zero.

      The workers will claim they spent the money etc. All will be swept under the carpet as business as usual in Quebec.

      A criminal lawyer once explained to me. "My clients steal as their job. They are repeat clients. That's how it works. Stealing is their business and career just like somebody else is a bus driver. There is no such thing as rehabilitation. That's make believe for the public."

      The Quebecois culture of "forgiving" amplifies the behavior of criminals.

      Quebec is running an amnesty program for the construction companies so they can be around to steal from us another day. Under no other circumstances would you ever save something like a construction company.

      All the emplyee's are from the union pool. It's just a question of what job site they show up at.

      The only people being protected are the 2-3 people at the top of the construction firms that are being "forgiven".

      The scams will re-emerge the moment Charbonneau spotlight has ended.

      The Quebec politicians WANT this to happen.

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    6. And why not? They are all pocketing a fortune. I knew I wasted my life being honest and working for the required number of years to get my measly pension- what dummies honest people are! Just listened to a francophone being interviewed on TV and he was asked how he felt about the 4 senior members of the police department being arrested and the poor fellow shrugged and said "who do we go to in quebec when we know there is something wrong if we can't even go to the police?" lol - But to suggest that ALL francophones are this way would be wrong because they will never vote to leave Canada. But there is not one other province that can brag about the many criminals we have in absolute power as we can in this loser province. What a badge of honour to hold up in pride!

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  31. From The Rationalist:

    In reviewing the list of the Jewish NHL team owners and Googling them, discovering their remarkable commitment to community and their generosity; realizing that amongst them is a child of Holocaust survivors, I am reminded of a growing realization in the Jewish community. For too long the depiction of Holocaust victims has been of those who were ordinary citizens, assimilated into their communities. Hence the horror of their suddenly being isolated and ear-marked for murder.

    What has not been emphasized enough until now is the extent and degree to which Orthodox Jews were targeted and murdered. Their Jewishness was conspicuous, or as Quebec chooses to describe them, ostentatious.

    I think what those who are not Jewish need to understand that Jews are becoming increasingly conscious that a large number of those who perished were not like Anne Frank, but were more like the Jews we see today who are being targeted by Bill 60. The men wore beards and kippahs, the women dressed modestly. They kept the Sabbath and they were dedicated to remaining intrinsically Jewish. Although most of us in Montreal have in large measure assimilated, we nevertheless feel a very strong kinship to the Orthodox, to the descendants of the first Jews who were targeted and whose communities were all but wiped out.

    Mme Marois and M. Drainville and those in favour of the Charter should know that no wedge can be drawn between the inconspicuous and conspicuous Jews no matter what efforts they make to label them ostentatious and beyond Quebec's values.

    They will not be isolated. Quebec will.

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    1. Dear Rationalist,

      Thank you for pointing out the entire Nordiques angle. Like many others, that one flew right over my head.

      I do believe you've uncovered an incredible touchpoint in that one and the Quebec that values its sports teams needs to understand that it must first value others in order to get others to value what they desire.

      If I was a high-powered Jew like Bettman I would flat-out refuse to give QC a team...for the next 25 years, even if they abolished the charter tomorrow, just to teach them a very stern lesson.

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      "If I was a high-powered Jew like Bettman I would flat-out refuse to give QC a team..(...), just to teach them a very stern lesson."

      and that ridiculous emotive reaction shows why you'll never be high-powered.

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      Yeah at the end of the day, you have to hit them where it hurts, and Hockey for this province IS a religion, that's where they'll feel it most. That's how political warfare is fought, I'm afraid.That's why I initially suggested a hockey boycott. Human Rights violations are a big deal and not to be trifled with.

      (That list by The Rationalist, ...all those hockey team owners..and Bettman, ain't it the truth ...they're f...ing with the wrong crowd!)

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    4. Neglected Québec angryphone n'est pas une femme.

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    5. @AnecTOTE

      Any surprise at this reaction: "and that ridiculous emotive reaction shows why you'll never be high-powered."

      They really won't ever learn, will they?

      How narcissistic do you have to be to think you can actually treat other humans like garbage and not encounter repercussions?

      I sincerely hope the Jewish NHL decision-makers do their absolute worst and deprive these leeches of something that gives them pleasure, as they do not deserve to be happy.

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    6. @student
      You've never met Bettman.


      -Kevin

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    7. They (and their ancestors) claim to be abused by the English, the Catholic Church, etc. All that abuse surely affects their mental health, resulting in narcissistic personality disorder. Some characteristics are:

      - Expects to be recognized as superior and special, without superior accomplishments
      - Envies others and believes others envy him/her
      - Lacks the ability to empathize with the feelings or desires of others
      - Is arrogant in attitudes and behavior (a mask for their insecurity)
      - Has expectations of special treatment that are unrealistic

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism

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    8. Readers, I am biting my tongue over this issue and have vowed not to weigh in until after the charter passes... if it does.
      FYI, Gary Bettman was in Israel this past summer along with Larry Tannebaum of the Toronto Maple Leafs to celebrate the Jewish Olympics, the Maccabi Games. Both are committed if not orthodox Jews.
      Again, I'm not going to say what I know right now.....

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  32. Cogeco CEO Louis Audet: Quebec Charter A Threat To Economy

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/01/28/cogeco-charter-of-values-louis-audet_n_4681885.html

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  33. By AnecTOTE

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Senior+officials+from+troubled+Ukraine+barred+from/9440274/story.html

    You have to be kidding me, Mister Chris Alexander? How about the serious Human Rights violations, IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY?
    Fix that, before venturing to foreign lands accusing other governments of repressing Right and Freedoms in theirs.
    How dare you?

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    1. Couldn't agree more. He has some nerve with us being deprived of our own rights and freedoms in our own country and minding the business of other countries! Ignorant.

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    1. No, if it has to be spelt out for you. It's not a right to remove liberties because you don't like seeing a particular religion/race/color or creed.

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  36. Well this is what is thought of us by everyone that looks us up on Goggle:

    http://metronews.ca/news/canada/922691/what-google-really-thinks-corrupt-obese-flat/

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  37. Look, they're dropping the hammer down on the separatists' heads once again...but will they ever listen?

    http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2014/01/28/des-choix-dechirants-pour-les-quebecois

    Anyone have full access to that piece?

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    1. http://www.lapresse.ca/debats/votre-opinion/201401/28/01-4733369-la-charte-nuira-a-leconomie.php

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  38. lol - http://quebec.huffingtonpost.ca/rabah-moulla/charte-valeurs-souverainete-quebec_b_4662865.html

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