Link to see video |
There is however another negative development, which I could not have predicted.
It's a hilarious video, a send up of demonstrators that is all the rage on YouTube.
When I first posted the video, there were less than 400 clicks, but since then, it has gone viral.
At the time of writing this post, there have been over 70,000 views.
Now I know that humor transcends the language barrier with great difficulty and many Francophones, even bilingual ones will have trouble 'getting' the video.
Trust me when I say that the video is extremely insulting and portrays the demonstrators as hopelessly sad ideologues.
The seriousness of those interviewed belied the fact that they were being mocked rather shamefully by Abdul, who is admittedly quite the deadpan comedian.
What kind of impact will the video have?
Nothing flattering, that's for damn sure. Think back to "Star Wars Kid'
The video just may be the worst nightmare possible for French language militants, becoming a meme, portraying them as buffoons across the Internet.Regulator worried about companies avoiding public stock offerings in Quebec
The AMF, Quebec's regulatory agency for stock markets, brokers, etc. has publicly noted that some companies having their headquarters outside Quebec avoid making a public offering in the province, because of Bill 101.
"As stipulated by the law, companies are required to write their prospectus in French. The prospectus is a document to be published by any company planning to raise funds on financial markets.
According to the AMF, nearly 54% of companies avoid public offerings in Quebec due to language requirements imposed on them.
To justify their decision not to raise funds from Québec investors, the businesses claimed it is a question of costs related to the translation of texts.
"Companies are saying, 'We'll go somewhere else to raise money and we will exclude Quebec from our efforts.' So it's a situation, in fact, that is a concern to us and something on which we will have to consider, "said Sylvain Théberge, spokesman for the AMF. Link{Fr}
Quebec workplaces least diversive
"...Seventy-three per cent of Canadians describe their workplace or school as diverse, compared to 70 per cent of Americans, 68 per cent of Britons and 67 per cent of French respondents.
Sixty per cent of Quebecers work in a multicultural environment, the lowest proportion of any province.
Fewer Quebecers work and study in multicultural environments because most of the province’s immigrants are concentrated in Montreal, and because the city attracts fewer immigrants than Toronto or Vancouver, Jedwab said. Also, Quebec has a lower proportion of cultural minorities in government jobs than other provinces, he said.Fifty-seven per cent of francophones in Canada describe their workplace as diverse, compared to 74 per cent of anglophones and 83 per cent of people who speak a language other than English or French.." Link
Does Premier Charest want a Francophone coach for the future NHL team in Quebec?
The headline in La Presse announced that the Premier of Quebec wants a francophone as a coach of the future Quebec city franchise;
"Charest favorable à un entraîneur francophone pour les Nordiques" Link{Fr}
but the headline in English media said something a little different;
Future Quebec City NHL coach must speak French: Premier Charest Link
The difference in the above two headlines isn't just splitting hairs, one headline indicates that the Premier wants a French coach, the other says that he wants a French-speaking coach. The discrepancy is not lost on we English who are interested to know if a French-speaking anglo is acceptable or not.
Over the course of the Cunneyworth debate of late, most of the language militants who complained publicly over the issue, made sure to use the term 'unilingual anglophone' when describing the issue. But every now and then they forget the word 'unlingual and complained about an 'anglophone' as coach of the team. Freudian Slip?
I think so.
Under all of this pseudo talk of unilingualism, there lies an undertone of racism, where the idea of an anglo running the team is offensive, bilingual or not.
So what exactly did Premier Charest say, Francophone or bilingual?
Actually both...
In the article, the Premier told reporters that a future coach of the Nordiques would have to speak French 'as a minimum,' but later on, mentioned in joking that if ever the Nordiques couldn't find a qualified Francophone, they could hire Quebec City mayor Regis Lebaume. Link{Fr}
More English schools closing
"Things might be looking up for several schools at the English
Montreal School Board on the cusp of a crucial vote on school closings.
In
a surprise move on Monday, the EMSB announced that its long-range
planning committee now recommends closing three schools instead of six.
The committee has also backed off several proposals to relocate schools
and programs.
No final decisions have been made yet. Commissioners will vote on the proposals on Wednesday."
Quebec Unemployment numbers explodeFor over two years Quebec nationalists have been crowing that the unemployment rate in Quebec was lower than in Ontario, something that rarely happened before.
Of course it was only a matter of time before Ontario pulled itself out of the recession and restored itself to more traditional numbers After a disastrous month of job losses Quebec's unemployment rate ballooned to 8.7% as opposed to Ontario's number which declined to 7.7%;
A call for a French Archdiocese in Ottawa."You never have to look far to count the ways in which Quebec breaks with the rest of the country.
Quebecers watch more television than Canadians in any other province, due to a thriving French-language broadcasting industry that regularly draws more than a million viewers for its top shows. They’re the least-stressed, play hooky from work the most, and traditionally have the lowest rate of home ownership.
But Statistics Canada's numbers released Friday show Quebec is also splitting from other provinces on job creation, registering another employment decline in December while the rest of the country was either up or flat. Quebec’s jobless rate stands at 8.7%, higher than that of the United States."LINK
Citing the example of French Catholic school boards and French secular school boards which were created in the late eighties to better serve the Francophone community, particularly in the Ottawa area, an opinion piece in Le Devoir by Pierre Allard is calling fro the Catholic church to split the Archdiocese of Ottawa along linguistic lines.
"Of the estimated 400,000 faithful of the Archdiocese of Ottawa...some 40% are francophone, with the majority English. In a context where the religious institution remains an important factor for the Franco-Ontarian minority who built the parishes and churches in their own image, ever since the nineteenth century, is it not time to question the linguistic structure of the church and give back to the French, collectively, the direction of their parishes? Is it not time to split Dioceses along language lines? Why not?" LINKAnglos outlive Francophones.
A report in the European Journal of Epidemiology indicates that the life expectancy for Quebec Francophone men is 76.5 years, which is 2.3 years less than for Anglophone men. For Francophone women life expectancy is 81.8, or 1.4 years less than their Anglophone counterparts. The difference is particularly marked among men in major cities other than Montreal, like Quebec City, Sherbrooke and Gatineau, where the difference is 5.1 years.
Higher smoking rates and higher alcohol consumption among francophones are signaled as the major contributing factor to the gap, Link
Mohawk Doctor in peril of losing her license over French
A doctor practicing in the Montreal suburb of Chateauguay, (which has a large Anglo community) is in jeopardy of losing her license because she cannot pass a French exam.
Brought up in the nearby native reserve of Kahnawake Mohawk territory, Dr. Ojistoh Horn is the first female Mohawk medical doctor from Kahnawake. She is the daughter of Kahentinetha Horn, an important native activist.
"Roxann Karonhiarok selected (for an Indigenous person award..ed.) Kahentinetha Horn, publisher of Mohawk Nation News, and her daughter, Dr. Ojistoh Horn, the first female Mohawk medical doctor from Kahnawake. Roxann described the mother and daughter as, “An amazing duet and strong women."Unfortunately she apparently doesn't have a satisfactory command of French, according to the licensing board which has as a requirement that every doctor be capable of passing a French exam.
Roxann said, “I nominated Ojistoh because she delivers our babies. Being a matrilineal society she is responsible and takes a hands on role in the delivery of the mothers of our nation." She added, "That woman does not sleep. She does house calls and even looks after people during family events on her time off! I love that beautiful woman. She’s an inspiration and deserves it!” LINK
Readers should understand that Native bands in Quebec are closely associated with either the English language or the French language, but not both. Mohawks, along with the Cree in the North, speak English along with their native tongue. French on these 'English-leaning' reserves is practically non-existent.
Dr. Horn is to be given one last chance to pass the French test, before being suspended. Link{Fr}
Radio personality complains that restaurant brawlers spoke too much English.
For
those of you who haven't seen the video of a New Year's eve brawl in a
Montreal Chinatown eatery, the New Dynasty, watch it here;
It's hard to believe but blowhard radio whiner Benoît Dutrizac, actually complained on the radio that the two fighting groups spoke only English.
I'm not making this up.
While interviewing fellow language supremacist Mario Beaulieu on his radio show, he decried the fact that everyone involved spoke English, as well as the waiters.
Why?
Dunno....perhaps if one group spoke French, he'd of had someone to stick up for.
Listen here, the fun starts at 2:50 LINK{Fr}
For Huntington mayor Stéphane Gendron it's been quite a turbulent couple of days. First he was assailed by Jewish groups for remarks he made on his television news magazine where;
"On the December 27 edition of his Face a Face talk show on the V Television Network, he called Israel an "apartheid state" that "does not deserve to exist." LinkSuffice to say that Mr. Gendron is not a fan of the Jewish state. He also is not afraid to take on other sacred cows and has in the past criticized the Office québécois de la langue française, and openly mocked Mario Beaulieu in an interview, calling him intolerant.
Perhaps it was to deflect the overwhelming condemnation over his Israel remarks, Gendron again lashed out at the OQLF, telling them that his Eastern township town (40% English) would not comply with regulations making French predominate. Link{Fr}
First baby of 2012
Once again Quebec's first baby of 2011 left French language militants wringing their hands.
Tyler Stephen Wilson was the first baby born in Quebec in 2012, at the Royal Victoria Hospital in Montreal, weighing 3 kilograms.
Mom Teresa Howick Wilson and husband are ecstatic.
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FINALLY LET'S FINISH WITH SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE POSITIVE!If you've got some time this weekend, watch this food/travel show which will illustrate why we all love to live in Canada's most imperfect, yet most exciting big city...
"Without Montreal, Canada would be hopeless, it's where the cool kids hang ....-Chef Anthony Bordain;
"Without Montreal, Canada would be hopeless, it's where the cool kids hang ..."
ReplyDeleteOnce upon a time, perhaps, but no more. Like an aging courtesan, Montreal's allure is but a faint shadow of what it once was. Anyone who doesn't speak French (the distant third of North America's languages after English and Spanish) who comes to Montreal seeking to make their fortune will be met with a wall of cold stares, unreturned calls and statements of "ah don't speek da hinglish." That's their cue to move on to an English-friendly city.
They say Quebec is the spice which keeps Canada interesting, but I reckon many find it to be indeed a bitter flavour.
I look upon the Francophone Quebecer, with his different language, history, traditions, mannerisms, mentality, hostility to my language, and I see not a countrymen but a foreigner. He is deserving of respect and equal rights as all men are, but a kinsman he is not. The time has come for Canada and Quebec to part ways, just as the Czech Republic and Slovakia did in 1993.
I saw that Anthony Bourdain video before. I thought it was pretty good.
DeleteHe is just visiting Montreal, not living here. So, I think that like alot of people, he enjoys Montreal for the aspects that are important to him (food, lol).
Alot of people enjoy visiting Montreal. They don't have to know about all our politics. If they encounter someone who only speaks French or only wants to speak French, they will find someone who speaks English. There are rude people wherever you travel in the world.
People enjoy the fireworks, the Jazz fest, F1 racing, the Just for Laughs fest, the restaurants, the Old Port, the history of Montreal and it's architecture. So, I encourage anyone to visit Montreal. I am sure they will find something to like about the place.
And, oh, yeah, like Anthony Bourdain, I hate mimes! :)
Yup! I was born in Montreal, and as I was growing up with all the language nonsense going on, I agreed it was a nice place to visit, but not to live.
DeleteAgreed. One of my biggest pet-peeves is hearing someone claim Montreal is wondrous place, where people are friendly and opened minded, with the best food, best this, best that, and best of all, claiming it's more vibrant and exciting than Toronto. *ABRUPT SOUND OF RECORD SCRATCHING* Ugh. It WAS all those things long, long ago, but it certainty isn't now.
DeleteI find Montreal these days ugly, depressing, dreary, dirty and unfriendly. I was born here, but I've watched it fall apart and sink into decay. Perhaps visiting here might be OK, but living here is hell.
On dit parfois que tout ce qui est excessif est insignifiant...
ReplyDeleteBienvenue sur ce blogue!
DeleteOn parle excessivement de la sovereignte du Quebec et des conflits des langues.
DeleteI've said this before and I'll say it again; if there was a referendum tomorrow I'd vote for Quebec to separate. I know it'd be hard to see my friends and family suffer in a bankrupt society but, the schaedenfreude at seeing this ridiculous province struggle would be priceless.
ReplyDeleteSadly, I'm abroad and won't be able to cast my vote to the pur laine "struggle" (I've never heard of a struggle where an entire country subsidises your pinko society)
By the time the next referendum comes around, eligible voters will be those with Quebec citizenship cards given only to those "De Souche" .. As for the rest of population... Don't like it, get out... This is what the Ethnics will be told.....
DeleteThis is the thing about democracy, use it or lose it...
"By the time the next referendum comes around, eligible voters will be those with Quebec citizenship cards given only to those "De Souche"
DeleteIn 1995, there were calls amongst the pequistes to bar from voting any Canadian citizen not born in Quebec/Canada. That would pretty much exclude most Ethnics, since in the majority of cases their under-18 children were born in Canada, but not the over-18 adults.
And this is always why I always had a problem with the idea of Quebec's secession from Canada. If I had a sense that this is a will of the Quebecois, I would bring myself to respect their decision. But it is so obvious that this is not their will, but a project of their ambitious and fame-starved elites. The whole thing with tricky referendum questions, attempts to disenfranchise those voters who are likely to vote No, shredding of the cast No ballots, setting up the referendum law so as to prevent the federal gov't from funding the No side, putting severe legal restrictions on the No campaign, and most importantly - putting a condition that a No decision does not have to binding and the referendum will be repeated if it's a No. All this shows that it doesn't have anything to do with what the population at large wants.
Miss you Marco!!!!
DeleteAdski, you're right, and this would make separation all the uglier...for Quebec. Francophones who don't want separation may at last rebel against their bretheren who do want it. The infighting would cause Quebec to crash faster than Greece is (and will eventually completely collapse).
Deleteadski,
DeleteTrivia question for you.
How many times has Quebec had referenda for its independence and separation from Canada?
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It is a trick question.
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Zero.
In both referenda, there were no mention at all about independence or about separation from Canada. They had 'negotiation' and 'economic association' on the first one, and 'formal offer' and 'economic and political partnership' on the second one.
Compare that with East Timor's referendum: "Do you accept the proposed special autonomy for East Timor within the Unitary State of the Republic of Indonesia?" or "Do you reject the proposed special autonomy for East Timor, leading to East Timor's separation from Indonesia?"
I like the East Timor question.
DeleteIn Dec of 1999, the Clarity Act was passed in Canada (presented by Stephane Dion).
So, if Quebec were to hold a referendum in the future, it must ask a clear question, by law, like the one that you mentioned.
"I know it'd be hard to see my friends and family suffer in a bankrupt society but..."
ReplyDelete...La 401 sera toujours là.
Yes, it is, and if there was a referendum I'd be happy to drive in from Ontario to vote "Yes" if it would help to put an end to the relentless seppie whining. They are like unemployed adult children who won't move out of the house. They're a financial drain on the rest of us and the contribution they make is generally negative. Grow up and get on with it.
Delete"I'd be happy to drive in from Ontario to vote "Yes" if it would help to put an end to the relentless seppie whining"
DeleteRewarding bad behavior.
Now THERE's a new strategy for dealing with seppies. (sarcasm)
Gendron a une sévère dépendance aux caméras et aux projecteurs.
ReplyDeleteYou have a severe dependance on one-liners.
DeleteNous sommes ici sur un blogue.Ce n'est pas l'endroit pour faire un résumé de ma thèse de doctorat.
DeleteWhat would that be? Two lines?
DeleteOf course i would like to see a partition along with a yes vote for seperation
ReplyDeleteMee too,mee too!!!
DeleteIt's a bit rich to refer to donut shops in Canada, when the Quebecois are the Sugar Kings of the world and have the rotten teeth to prove it. They love their May West and Jos Louis cakes, sugar pie, sugar syrup, maple syrup, donuts, and sweet soft drinks(especially Pepsi).
DeleteI'm not a quebecker,me and my family recently moved from India to Mississauga.Donut industry in Canada and the U.S have great potential.BTW,we have the best price downtown Missi and nou perlons French too!
DeleteTo Âdalarasu Manou,
Delete"I'm not a quebecker,me and my family recently moved from India to Mississauga.Donut industry in Canada and the U.S have great potential.BTW,we have the best price downtown Missi and nou perlons French too!"
You're full of crap. You're the Francophone who has commented here as "Press 9" and other aliases in the past. I thought you weren't going to post here anymore in 2012? You can't help yourself can you?
Anon, I'm inclined to agree with you. More cracks about doughnuts in Mississauga. »YAWN!«
DeleteRe: More English schools closing
ReplyDeleteI was reading the Metro paper on my way to work yesterday, and on the front was was a story of some Francophone high school being closed down. This made me think about all the Anglo schools that get shut down on regular basis, yet I've never seen a mention of any of that in the Metro paper before. Not even on the back pages.
Yet this one got the front page coverage. 1 franco school - front page. 20 anglo schools - no mention.
C'est parce que des écoles anglaises qui ferment n'intéresse personne. Ça ne vaut pas la peine d'en faire une nouvelle. Si tous les Anglos décidaient de quitter le Québec, personne ne verserait une larme du côté franco.
Delete"C'est parce que des écoles anglaises qui ferment n'intéresse personne"
DeleteHow do you think the media decide what news to cover and what news not to cover? How do they decide how much time and space to dedicate to the items they choose to cover? How do the decide what is "interesting" and should be given a lot of air time, and what is "not interesting", and should therefore receive a soundbite or not be shown at all?
In the coverage of daily events with political implications, from amongst tens or hundreds of things that happen, what do you think are the criteria the media use for choosing newsworthy items? Is the objective to cover what interests the people and is in the interest of the people, or is it to cover what interests the power centers with which the media are aligned, and cover it in a way favorable to the power centers? Think about it.
As I wrote a few days ago, the media now CREATES the news, as opposed to simply REPORTING the news. Like sex, sensationalism sells.
DeleteAn afterthought: To fortify what I just wrote above, that brawl in the Chinese restaurant is an example. Writing about what language was used during the brawl proves what I wrote moments ago. It's also so Andy of Mayberry!
DeleteThey were not speaking Mandarin either... then, again, not many Chinese can speak Mandarin to any intelligible level...
DeleteNormal.Ça intéresse qui les écoles anglos à part les minorités?
ReplyDeleteAs-tu pris connaissance des derniers résultats de l'étude PISA de l'OCDE ? C'est une étude internationale qui mesure la performance des jeunes de 15 ans en lecture, en mathématiques et en sciences.
DeleteRésultat : les Québécois sont meilleurs que les Anglos de la minorité historique.
Lecture - échelle globale : Québécois (522) ; minorité anglaise (520)
Accès et repérage de l'information écrite : Québécois (515) ; minorité anglaise (513)
Intégration et interprétation de l'information écrite : Québécois (522) ; minorité anglaise (517)
Je te signale que ces résultats concernent la langue maternelle : le français, une langue complexe ; l'anglais, une langue simple que les singes pourraient apprendre s'ils avaient un peu plus d'intelligence.
Mathématiques : Québécois (544) ; minorité anglaise (533)
Sciences : Québécois (525) ; minorité anglaise (521)
Quand je te dis que seuls les meilleurs anglos sont partis lors du dernier exode de masse, et que ceux qui sont restés n'ont pas été capables de mettre au monde des enfants avec le même niveau d'intelligence de ceux qui sont partis.
Référence :
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/bsolc/olc-cel/olc-cel?catno=81-590-X&lang=fra
Raciste seppie va!MDR
Delete@ Andre Platte,
Delete"le français, une langue complexe ; l'anglais, une langue simple que les singes pourraient apprendre s'ils avaient un peu plus d'intelligence."
Francophones are almost as hairy as monkeys.
"C'est une étude internationale qui mesure la performance des jeunes de 15 ans en lecture, en mathématiques et en sciences.
Résultat : les Québécois sont meilleurs que les Anglos de la minorité historique."
Perhaps you can explain then why the Quebecois have a much higher high school dropout rate and a much higher illiteracy rate than Quebec Anglos.
"Perhaps you can explain then why the Quebecois have a much higher high school dropout rate and a much higher illiteracy rate than Quebec Anglos."
DeleteQuel est le rapport entre la quantité et la qualité?
Quantity is something that can be measured numerically.
DeleteQuality is something that is not measured numerically.
It's never too late to go back to school, dropout.
La qualité se mesure numériquement. Prenons pour seul exemple la cote qu'on accorde à une fille relativement à sa beauté.
DeletePeut-être que tu as été à l'école longtemps, Anonymus 01:37 PM, mais ta réponse est conforme aux tests PISA relatifs à la minorité anglaise historique.
I give your post a zero.
DeleteThere are fewer Quebecois who can read and fewer Quebecois who finished high school, so there are fewer quality Quebecois in comparison with Anglophones.
DeleteJ'ai justement donné un peu de monnaie à 2 anglos en sortant du bureau cet après-midi.
DeleteMaking up stories again? Oops! I should have known. That's what separatistes do! BTW, why don't you tell people which office you were coming out of? Don't be ashamed that you were collecting money from the welfare office.
Delete"That's what separatistes do!"
Deleteyou mean separARTistes.
When they do it, it's art. When you do it, it's reprehensible and colonialist.
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DeleteEditor said:
ReplyDelete"Native bands in Quebec are closely associated with either the English language or the French language, but not both. Mohawks, along with the Cree in the North, speak English along with their native tongue. French on these 'English-leaning' reserves is practically non-existent."
Bill 101 doesn't apply to native reserves. The Mohawks, Cree and other bands should pass laws that restrict or ban French on their reserves because their Native languages and cultures are threatened and they are surrounded by a sea of French. I would love to see how the French supremacists would react. I'm sure they would complain but would do little else.
Just prior to the 1995 referendum, Billy Diamond, Grand Chief of the Crees of Quebec, said that the Crees would fight, along with the Mohawks, to remain part of Canada if the Yes side won. He said they would never sign any treaties with the separatists.
"He said they would never sign any treaties with the separatists."
ReplyDeleteIl a affirmé celà sous toutes réserves.
To aAnon 12:49
ReplyDelete" To the Editor, I thought you weren't going to accept simple quotations from simpleton separatists, i.e. Haiti cherie, Jan. 12 at 5:30 PM, and Anon., Jan. 12 at 6:42 PM? on Media Responsible for Raising Language Tension"
One was fine (it had value added) and the other I'll delete, which in all likelihood remove your reply as well. Hmmmmm??
Mais pour le prochain chef de police bilingue de la ville d'Ottawa ? La capital nationale canadienne qui se repartie comme cela, d'après le recensement de 2006, 62 % des citoyens d'Ottawa ont déclaré l'anglais comme langue maternelle, alors que 15 % d'entre eux ont coché le français.http://www.fr.canoe.ca/infos/regional/archives/2012/01/20120111-123444.html
DeleteSi je compte comme les angryphones de ce blog, ça fait 38 % de francophones pour 62 % d'anglophones !:P
@ Anonymous aka Haiti cherie,
DeleteThere's no need to repost the same idiotic comment from the Wednesday thread.
The population of Ottawa is 62% with English as their mother tongue and only 15% with French as their mother tongue. The rest are mostly immigrants who have another primary language.
"Si je compte comme les angryphones de ce blog, ça fait 38 % de francophones pour 62 % d'anglophones !"
No, you're twisting statistics like most Quebec nationalists and separatists do all the time.
I don't know what part of that surprises you ... it almost makes sense if you've been paying any attention.
DeleteThe seppies use the same math in Montreal too. Francophones falling below 50% means anglophones are now above 50% and at this rate, the entire province will be assimilated by sundown. (sarcasm)
Imagine an "independent quebec" without its hydroelectric installations. It would make partition alot more feasible.
ReplyDeleteRedneck n'est pas un mot issu du français, ça doit désigner une réalité qui est étrangère aux Québécois !:)
DeleteLe mot redneck fait référence au cou des fermiers des plaines (canadiennes ou étasuniennes)qui passent de longues journée au champs sous un soleil de plomb.
DeleteThere are plenty of hillbilly rednecks in Quebec. They just speak loud, coarse and vulgar Joual instead of English.
DeleteNot English,slang or Globish .
DeleteJoual n'est pas une langue désolé...
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Delete@ Anonymous 9:25 AM
DeleteThen why do all separatists speak it?
:)
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DeleteMy family is established here since 200 years. I'm a proud Anglo! I'm proud to be Canadian!
ReplyDeleteI want to say it is now more difficult to follow conversations on that blog. It was easier before.
Hors sujet mais tout de même intéressant:
ReplyDeleteHarper croyait pouvoir s'en tirer facilement?...Mais non.
http://tinyurl.com/6pdtl7v
Anglos outlive francos, surprising and interesting article.
ReplyDeleteThere is a well known link between poverty and shorter life expectancy ; and men who die today at 76 were born in 1936. Until recently, francos had a lower revenue than anglos (lower than everyone but italians if memory is right...).
The article reports that the gap between anglos and francos is narrowing (both groups live longer than before). The increase of our life expectancy due to (among other things) a better socio-economic situation could be a tentative explanation.
The study probably takes into account revenue but the article says nothing about it. If the improvement of our socio-economic situation is indeed one the causes of the increase of our live expectancy, then I think it gives a new lighting to the fast and relatively recent modernisation of Québec society. I had never seen the Quiet Revolution under that angle. Increasing life expectancy is a great accomplishment.
Michel Patrice
I was watching V tele and either on Dumont or one of the other talk-shows, they were saying that part of the explanation of the difference in life expectancy was because francophones has a higher rate of smoking and drinking than anglophones.
DeleteJe crois que la révolution tranquille n'a eu que des effets bénéfiques sur l'ensemble des Québécois...Enfin presque.
DeleteYou don't have to watch Dumont. If you had read the quoted article of the National Post, you would have known, the smoking factor is discussed at lenght.
DeleteI associate smoking with poverty. (Preconceived idea maybe.
You didn't quote an article of the National Post.
DeleteI saw it on Dumont's show.
The thing I like about his show is that he has these weird intolerant nationalists on. So, I get to know how separatists think... if they think at all.
I did not quote the National Post article, it was quoted in this post by the the Editor. Take a look at the link above, in the section Anglos Outlive Francophones (there is a graph on the right side and a photo of a Mohawk woman just below...)
DeleteMichel Patrice
I think you're stretching the benefits of the Quiet Revolution. Japan, the US, other Canadian provinces, European countries, and other nations around the world have had an increase in their life expectancy as well. It has to do with better hygienic practices. That's all.
DeleteThe benefit of the Quiet Revolution has been the removal of the link between church and state. However, the cross should be removed from the National Assembly and removed from the Quebec flag for us to complete the removal of church from state.
The bad part of the Quiet Revolution is the rise of the idea of separation. This has had a devestating effect on the economy. It has divided citizens and set up Quebec against the rest of Canada. If the idea of separation drops substantially, it would be a major benefit for Quebec. We could concentrate on building a province with a strong economy that all could share in.
P.S. Speaking of the Mohawk woman, this is where Bill 101 fails. She would be a benefit for her community if she could practice medicine in the Mohawk and English language, which is the language of the clientele she services. No french test needed.
"I associate smoking with poverty. (Preconceived idea maybe."
DeleteI associate smoking with the Quebecois culture. Their greatest hero, Rene Levesque, had a cigarette in his mouth all the time.
For me, the greatest Quebecois hero is Pierre Trudeau.
DeleteLes réserves indiennes vendent plus de cigarettes à elles seules que tous les dépanneurs Québécois réunis.
DeleteEditor,
ReplyDeleteAre you seriously going to keep on entertaining the one-line-nonsense troll(s)?
What is the worst is when they just copy and paste something over and over again. You could ignore the troll or troll the troll with 1 liners as well, I suppose.
DeleteFor example, on this page, I think someone pasted 3 times about Ottawa having 38% french by some weird math. 3 times. Same thing. No thought.
I don't mind if someone is a separatist or has different opinions than me. Debate is good. Copying and pasting things over and over has no benefit though.
Shame.
"Debate is good. Copying and pasting things over and over has no benefit though."
DeleteThink of it as separatist yoga. Just repeat the same mantra over and over and over and over until achieving a trance-like "state" where of course everybody speaks french.
Well, that's what they hope. Not only speak French but think in French, only have french friends, hate English speakers, ethnics, and money, support independance, vote PQ and BQ, and always believe that Quebec is a victim.
DeleteGeez...you wonder why support for separation is at 30%!
hahahahahahaha
"Quebec Unemployment numbers explode"
ReplyDeleteOne major aspect that wasn't mentioned is how this province has the highest unionization rate in the country, and how much influence the unions actually have.
Stats:
http://www4.hrsdc.gc.ca/.3ndic.1t.4r@-eng.jsp?iid=17
After seeing the different unions carry out violent acts and hold the entire construction industry hostage, while threatening to do even worse, without any consequences, or the CSN trying to unionize convenience stores (Couche Tard), forcing them to close, why would any corporations/businesses want to set up shop here if there's no economic incentive?
Or how about the Rio Tinto workers at the Alma plant, most of which don't even have a high school diploma, making on average 35$/hour, who are still unhappy because they don't want the company to use contract labour. Yes that's right, they make 80000$ / year, and they don't want other people to work. Apparently they don't want to work either.
There was an interesting comment made earlier:
André PlatteJan 13, 2012 08:07 AM
"Si tous les Anglos décidaient de quitter le Québec, personne ne verserait une larme du côté franco."
I found this comment funny. They might not cry about the english people leaving, but they sure will cry about all the jobs those english people take along with them.
White Birch Papers closes its Quebec plant: http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120112/mtl_white_birch_120112/20120113/
All this may seem unrelated to the english/french debate, but in fact I think the unionization rate in this province reflects the "Séparatiste Québécois" attitude very well.
First, everything should be given to them. No high school diploma, but they should make 80000$ / year!
And secondly, no matter what, they always think they're being exploited by someone. Give them everything they ask for, and they keep crying for more.
It would be nice if we could get everything we wanted for free, but in the real world you have to work for what you want.
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ReplyDeleteI don't think the anglos (and allos) should leave Quebec. They should take their piece of Quebec with them: let West Montreal and the South Shore join Ottawa and create a (truly) bilingual Canadian Capital Territory (in the fashion of the Australian ACT, for example). Then, each to their own and good luck to them.
ReplyDeleteMais diantre,qu'avez vous mis dans votre calumet ce matin ? o_O
ReplyDeleteI don't smoke. In any case, however far-fetched the idea is, it's no more far fetched than the State dictating what name to give a business and how to write it, and look...
ReplyDeleteNous sommes en démocratie,les idées de tous les citoyens (même les plus excentriques) peuvent être publiées :D
ReplyDeleteBonne chance!
Well, thank you. Of course it's all a pie-in-the-sky idea, but I think it's one that deserves floating around. After all, haven't we been witnessing to 40 years of attempts at separation of Quebec from the rest of Canada? I'm sure that sounded far-fetched too when it started. Also, why should people born and bred in, say, Dollard-des Ormeaux be forced to leave or lose their own identity in their own (mostly anglophone) town? They are not guests or immigrants (to the extent that anyone living in and around Montreal can be considered a non-immigrant, that's to say, very limited). Personally, it doesn't bother me that French is the language of the majority in Quebec: I find bilingualism a selling point for Canada, Quebec and Montreal in particular. But Montreal is an international city (or, at least, it used to be... the way things are going), and one where about 60% of the population speaks and understands English (whether that is their native language or not), so one can't apply there what seems to work in, say, Levis. Also, Montreal is the economic engine of Quebec, so why choke it with language restrictions that its competitors don't have?
ReplyDeleteI've read Michel Patrice's study of how Toronto came to overtake Montreal as Canada's economic capital, but there is one aspect that leaves me perplexed: in the States you had the same situation between New York and Chicago, with the latter rapidly catching up in terms of importance and power. Yet Chicago (the Toronto South of the St Lawrence) never really caught up, but Toronto did and ran away with it. You can't explain it away without considering the impact of language, especially with regards to restrictions to businesses, as there was no language issue between Chicago and New York.
Also, as French supremacism takes an increasingly ugly face, consider this: if French wasn't the language of a nagging State and, increasingly, a shrinking business base, but the language of culture and fun, wouldn't it be in a much healthier state than it is now? Would there be any need for the State (or, more correctly, the Province) to flex its muscles EVEN MORE? If I get less flack from the authorities (most of the people are, generally, better than that) for speaking English in Southern France than I get in a city where the majority of people are able to speak English, there is something profoundly wrong going on.
And, look: Switzerland is, essentially, a bilingual country (ok, they speak Italian and Romanch as well, but that amounts to less than 10% of the population) and yet there doesn't seem to be the same amount of friction between the German speaking majority and the French speaking minority. Could it be because the law mandates that every citizen has to know at least two of their four national languages? Surely, it gets easier when you only have two to deal with. Even better if you only mandate it in areas where there is a substantial minority of speakers of the "other" language (by, for example, eliminating all the monolingual schools from the interested areas - what a disgrace: segregation by law starting from childhood!). I go as far as to say that, so long as it's done at a local level (town or county), this could well apply to all of Canada, for the sake of the francophone communities outside Quebec.
So, in the end, yes: lots of ideas, mostly, possibly, wacky, floating around. But aren't they worth discussing, rather than accepting the Status Quo degenerating the way it is?
P.S. Written by someone who is bilingual already, but has neither English nor French as his first language, and who'd love to learn (and is in the process of learning) French, but doesn't like the idea of having it shoved down my throat (and can currently be more coherent in English without the help of Google Translate...)
1.Vous devez fonder un parti politique provincial
Delete2.Vous devez vous faire élire sur la base d'une partition territoriale.
3.Vous devez consulter l'ensemble de la population du Québec avec un référendum sur la question.
Il serait plus simple pour vous et vos semblables de faire quelques kilomètres sur la 401 :)
DeleteActually i was thinking of extending the 401 all the way to St Laurent Blvd maybe all the way to Pointe Aux Trembles.
DeleteQuebec Partition,
DeleteThank you for giving some thoughts to my Toronto and Montreal post. You make some interesting points.
About Chicago that never really caught up. Chicago's population is 2,800,000 but Chicago's metropolitan area is 9,800,000. And Illinois state's population is 12,800,000.
The area surrounding Toronto(the Golden Horseshoe) has 8,100,000 inhabitants.
Not only Chicago's metropolitan area has outgrew Toronto's metropolitan area (5,100,000), the eight american states bordering the Great Lakes have 87 millions inhabitants, that’s ten times the Golden Horseshoe’s population and twice and a half the total canadian population. The New York state's population is 19,400,000 (New York alone is 8,200,000).
So over there too, the economy has grown and outreached into the inner land, moving west.
There are many more things to be said : about access to capital, about identity, about language both as a drawback and as an asset.
On a more personnal note, tell me about you, what is your native language? Where are you from? And if you are from elsewhere, when did you get here? If I am right, french would be your third language, what is your experience in the process of learning a new language? it's easy? difficult? (I recently read a lot on learning foreign languages after getting interested in esperanto.)
Michel Patrice
michel.patrice.qc@gmail.com
Michel,
DeleteThanks to you for the extensive response: I like discussing with people who get me to think. One small comment, though: I meant Chicago never caught up with New York, not Toronto, as I was observing the parallel development of two similar situations. Hopefully what I said makes more sense this way.
Now, since you've asked, here is my "mea culpa": I do not live in Canada. Not yet, anyway. However, I do have family over there, now scattered between RDP and Laval, and, much as I'm not a huge fan of big cities, I figured that as a landing point Montreal was a relatively safe bet, with a view to moving to Sherbrooke once I got a sound footing and my French had become strong enough not to need English as a back-up. I've been to Montreal twice, and have visited Ottawa (too young to remember much of that one) and Quebec City (I love it!) and, yes, that makes me more of a meddlesome foreigner than someone with a useful point of view.
However, having been born in Italy (no prizes for guessing my first language now) and having lived in the UK for the last.. gosh, nearly 14 years! I am well aware that whether the move is going to be beneficial or not to me and my family (all born in England), it all depends on how we settle in at the very beginning. It took me (on my own) over two years to get myself in a position of financial stability when I moved to the UK and another five to finally land in the career I wanted (again, prior to having a family). Now I have a wife and two little sprogs that have to settle as well, so I'm doing research and until a few weeks ago, when it was all about shaping dreams and long term plans, it was all hunky dory. Now that I'm considering more tangible aspect, it's all crashing down.
You see: I actually like the fact that there is a place in North America where you don't have only the anglo-saxon view of the world. It's part of what makes Quebec so attractive and, to be honest, I envy the fact that my cousins, born and bred between St. Leonard and RDP are fluently tri-lingual and owe it all to the Montreal school system. I even figured that there was a better chance for my kids to learn Italian (after all, that's where my cousins learnt it), which I pointedly refuse to speak at home due to my kids needing taming... I mean having things explained at length and needing to understand them. However, and here's the rub: for me to be able to hit the ground running and work right away, I need to start in English. Not only that, but the industry I'm in (which, ironically has a number of potential employers in Montreal itself) has a much larger number of potential clients in the USA than in Canada, never mind Francophone Canada, so to me English is going to be the language of money, whether I like it or not. Even more so as I plan to set up my own business in due time when the passport comes. As for the kids: settling in a new place is going to be hard, regardless, but I can't really allow that they fall behind their peers while they try to learn a new language, never mind getting themselves in trouble for speaking their own. I want them to learn French, just not to the detriment of the rest of their education. And the policy of requiring immigrant schoolkids to attend French school seems to me a surefire way of getting my kids to hate the whole experience when that comes on top of the normal teething problems to which such a move would give rise. I'd be happy for my little one to attend a French secondary school, whilst my elder would have to go through the French Immersion route (I might have got the wrong province here...) and, possibly learn at University or just by living there.
Continues...
So, here I am, a meddlesome foreigner with his dreams dashed, left to contemplate whether he could do the same job in Ottawa and just nip round to see his relatives or buy some decent cheese (I read that Quebec allows the sale of cheese made from unpasteurised milk, and all the mozzarella makers I found online seem to be in Quebec...). After all, Ottawa is not too dissimilar from Montreal, just... English! Not too English in terms of population, maybe a bit too English for my liking in terms of housing and disdain for engineering (which is a bit of a nuisance for me).
DeleteOne last point: I should work on my French a bit more, but I find that most of it is staying with me. I've started with the Michel Thomas CD course and I can make simple sentences off the cuff. The grammar (which holds back many anglos who grew up building sentences like Tarzan: no offense, that's just how the English language works!) is relatively straightforward to me, as it's essentially the same as the Italian one, barring the odd peculiarity. It's just learning the verb conjugations, irregulars, vocabulary and the odd idiomatic expression that takes time and practice. I get the gist of what I read, but listening and writing (especially with an UK keyboard...) is still some way off, in spite of having shared house with French people for about three years.
P.S: it's true that Francophone Montrealers sound American (well, a non-descript North American accent) when they speak any language that is neither English nor French. I tested this when I first came to the UK with a Francophone from Dorval that was attending my language school: I read a passage from a touring guide in French and he read it in Italian, so his accent could come through to my ear, and it did.
Regards.
Thank you for taking time to reply. I am leaving for the evening. I will get back to you in the next few days.
DeleteI understood that you meant Chicago over New York and not Chicago over Toronto. Maybe I was the one who wasn't clear. We will continue this interesting discussion later on.
Have a nice evening,
Michel
@ Michel Patrice,
Delete"Not only Chicago's metropolitan area has outgrew Toronto's metropolitan area (5,100,000), the eight american states bordering the Great Lakes have 87 millions inhabitants, that’s ten times the Golden Horseshoe’s population and twice and a half the total canadian population. The New York state's population is 19,400,000 (New York alone is 8,200,000).
So over there too, the economy has grown and outreached into the inner land, moving west."
You mention the populations of New York City and New York State, but not the other heavily populated major cities and states along the eastern seaboard of the U.S., such as Boston, Baltimore, Philadelphia, etc. A large portion of the economy of the U.S. is still found along the east coast.
I'm amazed at the lengths you will go to to deny the horrendous impact that language laws and separatist politics have had on the economy of Montreal and the rest of Quebec, and your manipulation of statistics to back your claims is breathtaking.
"maybe all the way to Pointe Aux Trembles."
DeleteAbsurd. There are virtually no anglos there (2%) and allophones (3%) according to the last census (2006), I got it from the Chief Electoral Officer of Quebec, stats are somewhere in there, language spoken at home:
http://www.electionsquebec.qc.ca/documents/pdf/dossier-socio-economique/2006/pointeauxtrembles.pdf
The PQ has always been strong there, the Yes side got more than 60% of the vote back in 1995 and I doubt most francophone federalists would like to live in Ontario so good luck with that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointe-aux-Trembles_(electoral_district)
You can't claim areas where you are not the majority (especially not what is probably the most French-speaking area of the city), same thing applies to the "Quebec Partition" guy who claims the south shore, which is mostly French-speaking.
Point taken... especially as it would have to be voted for by the residents!
DeleteBut, just to clarify it: I don't "claim" anything. I just think that the more mixed boroughs of Greater Montreal, Gatineau and East Ontario might actually prefer a bilingual administration (when called upon to vote) than either of the two monolingual options currently available. So long as it's not screwed up like New Brunswick, that is... methinks that places like Dollard-des Ormeaux and Brossard, which voted for de-amalgamation, would probably vote to join this new entity. But it's all a fantasy game, really. For now, anyway...
DeleteI never said to take extend 401 through pointe aux trembles but upto it. St Leonard, Montreal North voted mostly NO in 1995, though demographics have probably made them majority allo by now. Anyway lets see the next census which when the results come out, it will be time for another one. The demographics in Montreal have changed even more rapidly since 2006.
DeleteThanks for the reply: I'll consider the options. However there's a couple of points: French is as ambiguous as Italian with "devoir", so your suggestions can be interpreted as "you must" or "you need to" (as in specifying the passages that one needs/has to go through).
ReplyDeleteIn any case, I'd argue that there is one passage missing: the need for these ideas to be publically discussed. I can be pretty sanguine about perceived injustices and have my private ranting moments, but I really haven't got preconceived ill feelings towards anyone: my wish is to try and find an equitable solution for the sake of people getting on with each other without trampling on anybody's rights. On the other hand, I find the requirement of getting the approval of the majority of the population in Quebec, including those that won't get touched by anything I propose, seems dangerously asymmetrical compared, for example, with the idea that if Quebec wants to be independent the only population that needs consulting is the population of Quebec, and not all of Canada. Surely, democracy dictates that if a minoritarian group wishes to operate under a different statute than the majority, you either always ask all the parties, including those not directly interested (as you seem to suggest, but that would require the rest of Canada voting whether Quebec should be independent) or you always only ask the interested group (so only Quebec votes for independence, but only the towns or counties interested vote for bilingualism). You can't have it both ways: that would be interpreting the law according to a particular interest, not according to any democratic principle. I'm sure you'll agree with that.
Chénier:Bon, il y a censure des idées sur ce blogue... ''Selon le recensement de 2006, 62 % des citoyens d'Ottawa ont déclaré l'anglais comme langue maternelle, alors que 15 % d'entre eux ont coché le français.'' http://www.fr.canoe.ca/infos/regional/archives/2012/01/20120111-123444.html
ReplyDeleteÇa fait donc d'Ottawa une ville à 62 % anglophone et à 38 % francophone si l'on compte comme les angryphones de ce blogue ! Yé, un chef de police bilingue pour la capitale d'un pays soi-disant bilingue:P
Not sure what that's supposed to mean... you are aware that Ottawa is in Ontario, right? And according to this:
Deletehttp://citystats.ca/city/Ontario/Ottawa.html#demographics
53.6% of its population can speak French, it's just that only 9.2% can't speak English (10.2% including the "neither-nor" group...
Also, judging by WHO is taking to the streets, the angryphones - whoever they are supposed to be - don't seem to be English speakers... alternatively we could drop the name calling and talk like adults?
@ Chenier:
Delete"Bon, il y a censure des idées sur ce blogue..."
What censorship? The same bullshit line about the population of Ottawa has been repeated at least 3 times!
"Yé, un chef de police bilingue pour la capitale d'un pays soi-disant bilingue"
Gatineau is also part of the National Capital Region of Canada, yet there is no bilingualism requirement for the police chief there.
I live in Ottawa. We don't need a bilingual police chief here. The fire chief of Ottawa isn't bilingual either. The other qualifications of the job candidates are more important.
If Quebec is going to be unilingual French, then the rest of Canada should be English only. The Official Languages Act should be abolished.
@ The Quebec Partition:
You will save yourself a tremendous amount of grief if you avoid settling in Quebec and move somewhere else in Canada, such as Ottawa. There is a large expatriate community here of former Montrealers.
That seems to be the way the cookie crumbles... but then, again, for family (and employment and possible sponsorship) reasons, there is a strong case for Montreal, especially given that heavy engineering isn't big in Ottawa (other than that, I'm sure my kids would be better off in Ottawa...). The fact is: even if I served in the Air Force, the fact that my father served 31 years in the Navy still makes the Navy MY armed force. So, even if I end up in Ontario or God knows where, Quebec will remain MY province.
DeleteStill, it's all a long way (and a house price crash...) away, so there is time to chart the journey...
@ The Quebec Partition:
DeleteOttawa is only a 2.5 hour drive from Montreal, so you could still visit relatives there.
The Navy does not have much of a presence in Quebec as far as I know.
I didn't mean the Canadian Navy... however, it's irrelevant: it was just to exemplify the emotional attachment.
DeleteRegards
To Anonymous 09:17 AM
ReplyDeleteSimple it may be, but that doesn't make it right. Simple never achieved anything worthy.
Beaucoup de choses sont injustes en politique mais on apprend à vivre avec :p
ReplyDeleteIt seems a bit harsh on les quebequois of the 1960's... they did have a point after all, the same that the anglos have these days. No one should be a stranger in their homeland.
Delete@André Platte:
ReplyDeleteYou are a dangerous psychopath and deserve to serve a jail sentence for treason.
It's funny because you compare anglo children to monkeys when in actuality French schools drop out rates are truly dismal. Hmmm I smell the bias...
On en produit moins mais ils sont de meilleurs qualité.
DeleteSVP appuyez sur "reply" pour répondre directement.
That "less but more" argument is pure BS. Not having a high school diploma is a serious handicap these days.
DeleteMe too I've been insulted when I read that monkeys could learn English if they have a little more intelligence.
DeleteBut after a while I realized that monkeys in the movie Planet of the Apes speak English!
They're apes, not monkeys in "The Planet of the Apes" movie. The dialogue of the chimps, gorillas and orangutans translated very well in the French version of the movie.
DeleteFacts will tell the difference... Quebec is losing more and more business and Ontario grabs it mercyless.
ReplyDeleteIt's a matter of time until Quebec and especially Montreal will have 12-14% unemployment rate. Then the fun begins...
It no brain surgery to understand that something has to change in Montreal ... exempt from 101 for Montreal area will revitalize the industry.
The companies should be allowed to use whatever language they like and hire whoever thy want.
If this will not change, things will get worse in 2012 not to speak in the next years.
"It no brain surgery to understand that something has to change in Montreal..."
ReplyDeleteVous avez raison : Exit les anglos!
I would like to say to you what's the best thing for you to do to anglos/allos, but Editor probably will ban me. So guess...
DeleteIt's unbelievable how stupid and retarded you are: exit anglos/allos and any other normal francophone and Montreal will go down like a brick in Saint Laurent ... and Quebec without Montreal it's like Haiti after the quake ( no offence Cherie )
Btw, let me rephrase that: Quebec without Montreal is like the Habs without a defeat in every game...
DeleteChange the effin players, it's not the coach ... it's the players.
"exit anglos/allos and any other normal francophone and Montreal will go down like a brick in Saint Laurent..."
DeleteJe crois que vous avez davantage besoins du Québec que l'inverse car il y a longtemps que vous auriez pris la 401.Dites-moi froggy qu'est-ce qui vous retient tant dans ce trou?
Family, friends and the life I build so far ... but I'm not anchored here.
DeleteYou guys bet too much on the fact that as 30 years ago we'll stay and endure your stupid ideas and your redneck behavior...
It's not bad to dream, but more and more we prefer reality.
What keeps you here?
"Family, friends and the life I build so far..."
DeletePourquoi ici et pas en ontario?Moi je suis très bien ici,aucune raison de me plaindre.Il n'y a que les angryphones de votre espèce qui se plaignent sans cesse mais qui sont incapables de se faire représenter par un parti,même pas un regroupement quelconque.Que croyez-vous?Que les Québécois vont devenir anglophones pour satisfaire vos désirs de minorité hyper gâtée?Un conseil:Mettez sur pied un parti politique au plus criss ou prenez la 401,autrement fermez vos gueules car personne au Québec se soucis de votre sort.
Because this is my home as it is yours. So, you either die, or get used to the fact that you're not alone ... simple as "bonjour".
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ReplyDeleteSorry...the Canadians are guilty. No more replies to trols...
DeleteTrolls suck. You just have to remember, they try to upset you emotionally, because they argue logically or support their statements.
Deleteoops...mistake....
Deletebecause they CAN'T argue logically or support their statements.
With over 100 postings, it seems everybody is not thinking about one ENORMOUSLY important thing that took place this past week: DOES ANYONE REALIZE THE HABS TRADED FOR A GUY WITH A FRENCH NAME WHO CANNOT SPEAK FRENCH? Gee, what is the Gross Gross (i.e., the Putrid 144) going to do about that). Renny Bork, eel nah pa parl la long fronsay. Moozie taberrr-nack! Another Habs scandal. Will Bork have to apologize to Quebec that he doesn't speak French.
ReplyDeleteHe already did, I think, lol. He said that although he may have the most French name on the team, he doesn't speak French. As long as he scores, I am alright with that. Emelin doesn't speak English (or just a few words) and he's one of my favourite Habs this year, with all the killer bodychecks that he gives. More players like that SVP!!
DeleteAnonymousJan 14, 2012 07:16 PM
ReplyDelete"Family, friends and the life I build so far..."
Pourquoi ici et pas en ontario?Moi je suis très bien ici,aucune raison de me plaindre.Il n'y a que les angryphones de votre espèce qui se plaignent sans cesse mais qui sont incapables de se faire représenter par un parti,même pas un regroupement quelconque.Que croyez-vous?Que les Québécois vont devenir anglophones pour satisfaire vos désirs de minorité hyper gâtée?Un conseil:Mettez sur pied un parti politique au plus criss ou prenez la 401,autrement fermez vos gueules car personne au Québec se soucis de votre sort.
I think that LOSER MORONIC VAGABOND DROPOUT above(Manche de Pelle or Press 9), who made this statement above, has entirely missed the point up here. There was no mention about forcing French-Quebecers to speak English whatsoever. All what Froggy was saying, was that intolerant welfare bums like that lowlife, were rude and kept telling minorities to pack up their stuffs and leave, although it’s actually the opposite that’s happening, since the city is getting increasingly “anglicised, but anyway, the fact of the matter is that, what Froggy wants, is to live in peace in Quebec and not be disturbed by Labatt 50 and Poutine addicts, thus hoping something will eventually change in the near future…
Thanks...
Delete“Que les Québécois vont devenir anglophones pour satisfaire vos désirs de minorité hyper gâtée ”
ReplyDeleteAnd should Canadians keep caring and adhering to your relentless and heavy demands of transfer payments we keep providing you just to make your lives sustainable. I am pretty much sure you would come back crawling to us once separated, begging to be reinstated into the confederation since the newly country of yours would crumble even more without our contribution to your transfer payment benefits you enjoy pocketing so much and of which, you take advantage as well..
And as for my little annoying friend Michel Patrice who has got nothing else to do but bringing up refutable arguments.
ARE you frigging DONE with your assumptions that Montreal declined economically due to the Geographical Location and not because of your dying separatist movement of cry-baby losers. Frankly, I am getting very sick and tired of coming across your recycled and repetitive garbage you have kept posting for over the last few months just to bend out the truth so seppies like yourself don’t feel responsible for the provincial economic downfall…I can’t believe that some of you guys are still in denial of those mistakes and lies and yet, you keep turning a blind eyes on evidences which point out on the actual fact. what a bunch of morons!!! YOU ARE GUILTY OF THOSE ACTIONS!!!
Prise 2 : Mettez sur pied un parti politique au plus criss (asap) ou prenez la 401,autrement fermez vos gueules car personne au Québec se soucis de votre sort.
Delete"...thus hoping something will eventually change in the near future…"
DeleteUne chose est certaine est que nous devons redonner des dents à la loi 101.Vous l'avez dit:Montréal est en train de se ré-angliciser.
"I am getting very sick and tired of coming across your recycled and repetitive garbage..."
DeleteCroyez-moi,certains commencent à être énervés de voir notre ville s'angliciser et de voir des angryphones de votre espèce revendiquer des droits qu'ils n'auront jamais.
"And should Canadians keep caring and adhering to your relentless and heavy demands of transfer payments we keep providing you just to make your lives sustainable..."
DeleteVous Êtes sortis dans les rues de Montréal pour stopper notre départ du canada à grands coups de "nous vous aimons"...Alors assumez maintenant!
Bang!
"certains commencent à être énervés de voir notre ville s'angliciser et de voir des angryphones de votre espèce revendiquer des droits qu'ils n'auront jamais."
DeleteDuplessis and the Church conspired together and told your ancestors to continue being poor, barefoot, illiterate, baby-making factories. It took one revolution to kick out the priests another one is coming to take out the language vultures.
Mark my words your grandchildren will give up your language in masse the way your parents gave up your grandparents fanatical and backward institutionalized religion.
The way your movement will destroy itself is from the inside and now that it's clear to everybody how morally bankrupt and anglophobic it has always been, all we need to do is sit back and watch it collapse on itself. And the fun won't stop there. Unlike what you think, your kids and grandkids won't ask you daddy/grandpa why didn't you keep our language alive. They're gonna say why did you fight so hard to keep us isolated and deprived us from the chances everybody around us has had for so long. They will turn their back on your way of life the way you turned your back on the church. It's coming and there's nothing you can do to stop it.
"They're gonna say why did you fight so hard to keep us isolated and deprived us from the chances everybody around us has had for so long. They will turn their back on your way of life the way you turned your back on the church. It's coming and there's nothing you can do to stop it."
DeleteJe vais simplement leur montrer une copie archivée de ce blogue...Et voilà,regardez mes enfants comme ils sont mesquins et ne pensent qu'aux biens matériels et à l'argent :(
Try to live life without cash, pal.
Delete50 percent of this province speaks the language of coins and has a price. The other 50 percent are just too hypocritical to admit to it.
You belong to that second category.
Your children who will have to plan for life without a pension and will be stuck picking up the pieces of three generations' worth of wasteful government spending and largesse will belong to the first one. They'll be hungry and they won't care what language the cook speaks.
Je ne sais pas qui est le plus isolé, celui qui est au milieu d'un foule ou celui qui fait son chemin seul...:)P
DeleteChérie Haïti:Il semble que ça va prendre plus de 252 ans (1760 à...)avant de finalement s'imposer comme tous les peuples libres de la Terre ! Vous devriez vous libérer de cette idée que l'anglais c'est ''you know, the end of the world''. C'est une langue utile qui est parlée dans certains pays ayant beaucoup de pouvoir $$ mais sinon, ce n'est pas la 7e merveille du monde. Il y en a des milliers de langues parlées et c'est tant mieux pour l'Humanité. La langue commune au Québec, c'est le français, c'est tout.
Delete"Vous devriez vous libérer de cette idée que l'anglais c'est ''you know, the end of the world''"
DeleteWe will. Just as soon as you free yourself from the notion that accepting it on equal terms with French will somehow be the end of yours.
Ce n'est pas compliqué, il y a une majorité de personne qui parle français et qui manifeste le désir de vivre en français sur leur territoire, si ça ne vous convient pas, je ne sais pas ce que vous faites ici. Est-ce que je vais emmerder les Étatsuniens pour vivre en français chez eux ? Ça fait bien caguer (Forme francisée du verbe occitan cagar latin caco-cacare (« déféquer ») que la langue officielle du Québec soit le français dans votre petit délire conquérant et guerrier !
DeleteAttendez de voir la communauté chinoise prendre le contrôle de Vancouver, on s'en reparlera... C'est rigolo, les Étatsuniens commencent à trouver ça un peu moins drôle avec les hispanophones qui soit-dit-en-passant sont les plus nombreux en Amérique tout court. Habla espanol y basta, carnero (sheep) !
Delete"il y a une majorité de personne qui parle français et qui manifeste le désir de vivre en français sur leur territoire"
DeleteWhat is your aversion with evolving? It's just the way history unfolds. Do you cry every night because your ancestors stopped speaking Latin or Celtic?
At some point even YOU need to acknowledge that stubbornly holding onto doing things the same way is ridiculous. When the Hispanics take over America, Americans will need to learn Spanish. When Chinese takes over English in Vancouver, we'll realize there's a market for Mandarin. And when Klingon replaces either language, we'll speak Klingon.
What's your fear of invasions? You invaded the Indians and then got invaded yourselves. Sooner or later English will get invaded by something bigger, badder, and better. Sink or swim. Adapt or go extinct. It's the way of the world.
Vous n'avez pas une formation d'historien je vois... Peut-être êtes-vous dans l'infanterie canadienne ? On ne parle pas du temps des invasions comme à l'époque coloniale. Ce que vous dites, tout le monde est en accord. La maîtrise de l'anglais est utile( notez la nuance, utile ne veut pas dire essentielle) pour quelqu'un qui travaille avec les marchés anglophones pour le reste... Je ne vois pas pourquoi quelqu'un qui est dans un milieu très majoritairement francophone devrait maîtriser l'anglais pour avoir un emploi ''normal'', c'est-à-dire ce que fait au moins 95 % des gens lorsqu'ils sont chez eux. La nuance est grande. Les anglophones à ce compte n'ont pas compris cela puisqu'ils vivent ici en se fichant du ''marché'' le plus près, c'est-à-dire celui qu'il a comme voisin immédiat. Regardez les Japonais, ils vivent au Japon en japonais pas en anglais, ça ne les empêche pas d'apprendre l'anglais. Même chose pour les pays scandinaves ou les Hollandais. Les exemples sont légions. Vous faites passez une résistance à une domination linguistique pour une peur, ce qui est tout à fait faux. À ce compte, enlevons toutes les frontières et que chaque individu puisse se déplacer librement. Quittez votre petit confort d'occidental nord-américain et vous verrez que la lutte pour la survie des peuples existe depuis que le monde est monde... S'il-vous-plaît, lisez autre chose que le Banlieusard (Suburban) ou la Gâzette (The Gazette)...
DeleteLouverture dit: ''By the way'', mes ancêtres parlait plutôt créole et avant cela un dialecte qui a évolué dans le temps mais qui ressemble à ce qui se parle encore aujourd'hui sur un autre continent :P
Delete"On ne parle pas du temps des invasions comme à l'époque coloniale."
DeleteActually we are. This conflict is a holdover colonial proxy war that the French lost and that some nationalist seppies living in Canada refuse to accept. Those people need to be reminded that when you lose a war, you do what the winner says, not what YOU want. Decolonisation doesn't just mean getting rid of only the English because that's what YOU want to see. It means getting rid of the French too because they are as "natural" here as the English they lost to. So either EVERYBODY leaves, a genocide takes place, or you calm down and behave. Tu comprends?
"pourquoi quelqu'un qui est dans un milieu très majoritairement francophone devrait maîtriser l'anglais pour avoir un emploi ''normal'', c'est-à-dire ce que fait au moins 95 % des gens lorsqu'ils sont chez eux."
DeleteBecause you're in a tailspin. Because it's English indifference that allowed you to "keep" your language in this country combined with vulgar French Canadian reproduction rates for 200 years. Demographics and modern lifestyle is now coming to bite you in the ass, and instead of following the natural trend, you pretend you're an independent country and on top of it you think it's right to force immigrants to support the side that lost! Your insane the whole lot of you.
"Les anglophones à ce compte n'ont pas compris cela puisqu'ils vivent ici en se fichant du ''marché'' le plus près, c'est-à-dire celui qu'il a comme voisin immédiat."
DeleteIt's the same exact thing your doing. You have English all around you and you think you can live like this was France.
"Vous faites passez une résistance à une domination linguistique pour une peur, ce qui est tout à fait faux."
That's because it IS fear. All the headlines are about fear and anglophobia. Be afraid of the assimilation. Hate the assimilator. O my god the English might finally win. They'll take us off the map. The message is to fight the English to negate that the French lost. The fact is that your "resistance" only got you as far as it did because the English were too busy building this country to give you any attention, not because of some conspiracy. And now that the seppie legacy reaches its natural conclusion will everybody realize that the whole program was a big joke to make a few French Canadian shysters very powerful and rich.
"''By the way'', mes ancêtres parlait plutôt créole"
DeleteSo what's your deal? Your ancestors were kidnapped and understood that they had to learn the language of their new French masters, even on an island where they were slaves and formed the majority. The French weren't gonna learn African. It's ugly but its the truth. The same is true now with English here and some day with maybe a new language. Obviously your ancestors had more common sense then than you do now.
To Anonymous jan 15 9:57 (and Anonymous jan 14, 3:28, if you are not the same person...),
DeleteI guess that it would be uselessly inflammatory if I invited you to refute my "refutable arguments"...
You say that you are "getting very sick and tired of coming across" my "recycled and repetitive garbage" I have "kept posting for over the last few months(...)". My posts are indeed repetitive since I tend to give the same answers to the same arguments, and since the same arguments are repeated over and over again, I give the same answers over and over again.
I am glad to see that you noticed that I have been posting a lot in the last few months, I sometimes wonder if anyone reads that stuff.
You are right in saying that I did not mention that the east american coast in very populated.
You say : "I am amazed at the lengths you will go to to deny the horrendous impact that language laws and separatist politics have had on the economy of Montreal and the rest of Quebec, and your manipulation of statistics to back your claims is breathtaking."
Why can't I see what seems obvious to you? Maybe because of what is called cognitive dissonance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance) which leads one to overlook facts that do not fit one's preconceived idea. For instance, someone who is convinced that separatism is to be blamed for everything will overlook the fact that Toronto outgrew Montreal before the rise of separatism. On the other hand, when I look at the situation in Montreal, I tend to overlook the fact that more and more english schools close due to lack of students. Cognitive dissonance.
Michel Patrice
Cognitive dissonance is when you can't find any problems that the threat of separation has caused to the economy of Quebec, because of one's own support for separation.
Delete@ Roger Rabbit,
DeleteExcellent rebuttal to M. Patrice.
@ M. Patrice,
Even if Toronto outgrew Montreal before the rise of separatism, the fact remains that Toronto benefitted enormously - at the expense of Montreal - from the massive exodus of corporations, people and money that occurred after the election of the separatist PQ. A slightly higher growth rate in Toronto became an avalanche in comparison with Montreal.
Camil Bouchard (whoever he is) came on Bazzo.tv talk show and spoke in English for a good part of it, mocking the fact that English is everywhere now so why not on a Quebecois talk show.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kYEUjnb1YqQ#!
Although his was an attempt at a sneer, to me what he was saying was common sense, like suggesting that Bazzo.tv maybe should start broadcasting in English to multiply the audience 100 fold.
"...like suggesting that Bazzo.tv maybe should start broadcasting in English to multiply the audience 100 fold."
DeleteTssTss!Vous partez toujours d'une fausse prémisse : La quantité n'a rien à voir avec la quantité.Vous ne comprendrez donc jamais.
"La quantité n'a rien à voir avec la quantité"
DeleteI guess that makes sense coming from a movement that refuses to accept 2 "NON" in a row. Is it that you can't learn to count, or that you won't?
"The way your movement will destroy itself is from the inside..."
ReplyDeleteNotre soif de pays est comme l'oiseau tout aussi enigmatique que mythique,le Phénix :Il renaît toujours de ses cendres.Quel magnifique oiseau.
Your desire for a country is and will remain just like the Phoenix....a fantasy. While the Phoenix may be magnificent, Quebec is a total joke!
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DeleteElle était facile mais tellement soulageante !
DeleteBien placée effectivement.
DeleteWhat a load of bullshit.
ReplyDeleteYou seppies only have a thirst for REVENGE. Your laws and your protests are all in your image. Bilingualism on signs or within a person won't assimilate anybody yet you all compare sharing space on public signage (and living space in a province and country) with English speakers to some deadly disease. If visible bilingualism is all it takes to shake your confidence in yourselves, in your language or in whatever "nation" you think you make up, then maybe your uniqueness is a figment of your own drunken imaginations and you DO deserve to be assimilated.
You vote. Not only that, you have a say in not one but TWO parliaments and you howl like banshees because it's not enough... or too much... all at the same time. Only in YOUR twisted logic is ONE more than TWO. Only in your twisted logic does it make sense to set up a new country when you live in one already. How big of a megalomaniac control freak do you have to be to justify your separation on the basis that NOT ENOUGH people you ALREADY have look, act, and think the same as you? Your Parti Quebecois has a history of separatists separating from separatists who eat other separatists alive. Everybody's seen your movement for the immature grown-ups that support it.
The only thing that rises from the ashes is your ability to continually invent mythologies about yourselves and your perpetual "struggle". Your narrative is a schizophrenic legend in its own mind whose incoherent babble hasn't decided if you're heroic commandos (when you control the situation) or battered housewives (when you don't).
La pénurie de certains médicaments commence à faire des ravages.
Delete@ Seppie
DeleteFor who? You?
I write down before the editor scrap my words that it seem that the guy find that analogy between Québec and Phoenix (the mythological bird)total joke is a Full part of this joke !!:)P Before you erase it !
ReplyDeleteIt appears that my comment about Quebec being a total joke got you really flustered and agitated, as the Editor had to remove two of your responses. You should take a few Valium in order to relax.
DeleteI am not a part of the Total Quebec Joke. I live in Ontario!
"I am not a part of the Total Quebec Joke. I live in Ontario"
DeletePas de blogue intéressant du coté de l'ontayo car vous semblez aprécier les "jokes" du Québec.En passant merci de demeurer en ontayo...Mississauga?
Jean-François Lisée aplatit Macpherson au sujet des unilingues anglos de Montréal dans l'Actualité de Décembre:
ReplyDeletehttp://www2.lactualite.com/jean-francois-lisee/unilinguisme-don-macpherson-strikes-back/11121/
JF Lisee twists things as separatists always do. He is asking if unilingual anglophones still exist? Yes they do. What business is it of his? If 66% of anglophones are bilingual, that's pretty good. If 33% of francophones are bilingual, all the better for them. He is very racist and yes racism refers to language as well.
DeleteI went ahead and started reading Lisee's article, against my better judgment.
DeleteIt didn't take long before my blood pressure started rising. Mr.Lisee writes:
"En fait, j’ai écrit ce qui suit: La question n’est pas de savoir si la majorité des Anglo-québécois sont bilingues. Ils le sont. La question est de savoir si on trouve aujourd’hui une quantité significative d’Anglo-montréalais, de souche ou d’adoption, qui prennent la décision de rester en marge de la majorité des Québécois."
So, it's not enough to speak French. One cannot to opt to live "on the side" of the "Quebecois majority" either.
Then I moved down the page, and got to some sort of a graph, at which point I couldn't continue and dropped out.
I also realized that now, my most hated word, the word that just makes me cringe any time I hear it, is not the word "language" (or "langue"), but the phrase "Statistics Canada".
You know, I never really cared one way or the other about Stats Can but the more I think about it, it would be good if we don't have all their information so that people can live in peace and don't have to worry about social engineering.
DeleteI forgot to mention that besides the word "language/langue" and "Statistics Canada", other words/phrases that make me cringe upon as little as hearing them include: "gouvernement du Quebec", "les peuples quebecois", "la nation", "la nation quebecoise", "la loi", "le drapeau", "la loi cent et un", "bill 101", "combat linguistique", "la défense du français", "la manif", "Rene Levesque", "langue officielle", "langue commune", "la capitale nationale", "bien bon", "cegep", "Les Nordiques", "Loco Locass", "francisation", "les nouveaux arrivants", "les quebecois issus de l'immigration", "l'integration", "l'avenir du francais", "francais", "anglais", "allophone", "anglophone", "francophone", anything "-phone", and "Jean Francois Lisee".
DeleteDécidément adski vous ne vivez pas dans le bon pays.C'est comme si j'allais vivre au canada anglais et détesterais les mots suivant: Donut,queen,Harper,redneck,fuck kyoto,hillbillies,creationism,galganov...etc.
DeleteThere are more disgusting words that reflect Quebec: poutine, pepsi, May West, Jos Louis, pepper, pea soup, cretons, frogs, cigarettes, Laurentide beer, asbestos, Joual, separatism, fascism, and nazism.
DeleteVous avez raison d'ajouter tous ces mots qui font chier les anglouilles mais adski s'entête tout de même à demeurer chez nous.Étrange.Non?
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Delete... followed by Macpherson having bigger fish to fry than spend time on some sniveling seppie doomsayer and writing about something else a few days later.
ReplyDeleteOn appelle ça fuire à l'anglaise.
DeleteIt's called being a language nazi.
DeleteBetter than the exemplary heroics traditionally associated with France.
ReplyDeleteWe don't call them "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" for nothing.
En quoi serait-ce mieux cheez whiz eater?De plus qu'est-ce que la France vient faire ici?
Delete"En quoi serait-ce mieux cheez whiz eater?"
DeleteIsn't cheez whiz sold to everybody in Canada? Or is this another one of your personally manufactured stereotypes like the one about English people and donuts?
"De plus qu'est-ce que la France vient faire ici?"
You brought up English fleeing, and I held up a mirror.
"Isn't cheez whiz sold to everybody in Canada?"
Deleteprobablement.Juste à regarder l'arrière train des canadiennes on comprend rapidement qu'elles ne mangent pas seulement des carottes.
Seppie is angry because no one supports his option anymore! LOL
DeleteVariation de 40% à 60% d'appuie à la souveraineté selon les gaffes des anglouilles.
Delete@Seppie : I can tell you're really into those retarded French language tabloids. 60% ? lol You're stuck in 1995.
Delete@Phil: Not only is he stuck in the past. The final refendum results ended with the "yes" side at less than 50%. It's easy to say yes to a poll question. Not so simple in the polling booth
Delete@PHIL: Not only is he stuck in the past but come referendum day, the "yes" option ended up being less than 50%. It's easy to say "yes" to a poll question but not so easy when you end up in the polling both on referendum day.
DeleteRight now the PQ and BQ are at their lowest levels in a long time and younger people are not fervent for the option anymore.
If anyone can't see that, I don't really know what world they're living in.
I thought a doctor lost their license for doing wrong medically. Why should anyone loose their doctor's license if it is not medical? So, if she can not treat the patient - in french - to the comfort of the patient - then the patient should get a doctor that understands the their language fluently - no matter what language it is. There are a lot of competent doctors out there - language should not be part of it.
ReplyDeleteWell, unfortunately, there is a French language test in Quebec, if you are to be a member of a professional board. So, it doesn't matter how much you've studied, what degree you have, or how much you want to help people in your community, if you are not able to pass the French test, you cannot practice your profession.
DeleteI don't mind if most francophones would like to work in French but there really shouldn't be laws that prevent anglophones or allophones working from working in their language of choice.
This doctor is a fine example of when language legislation goes too far.
"So, it doesn't matter how much you've studied, what degree you have, or how much you want to help people..."
Delete...Vous devez être en mesure de communiquer avec votre environnement de travail et oui c'est comme ça...et c'est logique! :)
n'importe quoi comme reponse...
DeleteThe Mohawk people of Kahnewake should hold a protest in support of Dr. Horn. They could even close down the Mercier bridge if her license is suspended in a replay of the Oka Crisis . This would make the national and possibly the international news and would embarass the French language zealots in Quebec.
ReplyDeletePas de passe droit comme la loi 104!la loi est claire...Pas si intelligente que ça finalement.
Delete"She is the daughter of Kahentinetha Horn, an important native activist."
DeleteUn pommier ne donne pas d'oranges.
"They could even close down the Mercier bridge..."
DeletePas une bonne idée pour augmenter leur cote d'amour déjà plutôt basse.
"They could even close down the Mercier bridge"
DeleteThey don't have to close it down. It is in terrible condition like most of the transportation infrastructure in Quebec. The Mercier bridge will fall down on its own soon enough along with the Champlain bridge and the Jacques Cartier bridge. Quebec is moving backwards. Eventually its inhabitants will have to cross the Saint Lawrence river in wooden boats again.
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DeleteFrancois Legault a dit pas de referendum pendant 10 ans!! Mouhahahaha!!! :)
DeleteEt vous croyez encore les politiciens?
DeletePas Mme Marois. Elle ne vais pas avoir un refendum du tout. Mais et tout cas, elle ne va pas gagner les elections non plus.
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