Monday, March 21, 2011

Is Vigile.net Racist? -Is the Pope Catholic?

I'm going to preface this blog piece by saying that Quebec francophones and francophone sovereignists in particular are no more antisemitic than anglophones and federalists.
I make this statement as an anglophone having lived my entire life in Quebec and having travelled across this province from La Sarre in the northwest to Sandy Beach in the southeast on a weekly basis for over thirty years.
I do not wish the following article to convey a false sense of what Quebec is. It is always easy to fall in a trap of exaggeration and to visit the sins of the few, on the many.
I will have more to say on that particular subject tomorrow.

For those who aren't familiar, vigile.net is a left-wing, separatist web site that aggregates and republishes stories generally favourable towards sovereignty, as well as original articles, submitted by readers, stridently anti-Canadian, anti-American, anti-Israel, xenophobic and of course, the familiar standby, antisemitic.

The free speech section is where most of the controversy occurs, as a handful of radical separatists spout their special brand of hate, all wrapped up in the cloak of journalistic freedom.

The editor, Bernard Frappier, cleverly includes opposing news articles to give the impression that there is some sort of balance and fairness related to the site.
This veneer of objectivity has successfully provided cover for some of the most vicious antisemitic rants that have ever been printed in Canada. Had these rants been printed in English, outside Quebec, there's little doubt that the writers would find themselves before a human rights tribunal or the courts.
In October, I wrote about the racist tendencies of the website, citing a particularly virulent antisemitic article, reprinted from an American hate site. Hidden among other legitimate stories the article was pure and naked antisemitism depicting Jews as rats and responsible for the entire world's ills.

That article seemed to be a turning point for Mr. Frappier and perhaps he was emboldened by the lack of reaction and perhaps it led led him to up the antisemitic ante, so to speak.
Since then, article after article has been published depicting Quebec's Jewish community as a villainous fifth column, hell bent on imposing 'Jewish' and ''Canadian' values on a hapless, defenceless and unsuspecting Quebec.

While the number of writers contributing these antisemitic and xenophobic articles are few, they are prolific. Most of them, aside from being White, French and Catholic, seem to share Mr. Frappier's age demographic which gives weight to the old Brian Mulroney phrase...  "There's no whore like an old whore." 
I mention the age thing, because it seems that where racism does occur in the sovereignty movement, it is generally found in these frustrated old codgers who dream of the good old days, when Quebec was racially pure and who today, are furious that minorities have some say in Quebec politics.

The controversy over antisemitism on vigile.net was actually started by a reader, Louis Champagne, who wrote an eloquent rebuttal in response to another moronic and antisemitic article by  Ivan Parent. You can read the article (in French) as well as the complete rebuttal, but please note that the original text has been redacted of the most virulent antisemitic parts. LINK{FR}
Here's part of what Mr. Champagne wrote in response; 
"...Jewish international lobbies control banks which divert huge amounts of money, cutting the throats of countries and God knows what else, to dominate the world? .....He must have fished that concept out of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a twentieth century reference for antisemites of the order of Hitler, Henry Ford and tutti quanti. This document is patently false, as the author well knows, but pretends to ignore!
...We must question the editorial policy of Mr. Bernard Frappier regarding hate texts that target not only groups but also individuals. It will not improve, in the very least, the credibility of Vigile....Even stripped of his antisemitic prose, this text is incoherent, comes to nothing concrete and confuses ...."
Louis Champagne  Ing
Last week the Canadian-Israel Committee complained in public that the site has crossed the line in terms of free speech and had embarked on a policy on publishing antisemitic texts. They provided several examples, which were quite jarring and had quite an effect in the sovereignist community.

An article written by Joël-Denis Bellavance for Montreal's La Presse newspaper described the concerns of the Canada-Israel Committee and cited a number of disturbing quotations;
"In an article published Jan. 6, one of these contributors, Ivan Parent, bluntly denounced the influence of Jewish organizations in the world: "We know that Jewish lobbies are very powerful and in fact, control through international banks, almost all countries. They change interest rates at will, which is also why the euro zone countries are in a desperate situation... "

Mr. Parent is the author of more than about 190 texts on Vigile.net.

In another letter published Feb. 17, 2008, he said: "I am not racist but when I see that the hypocritical Jews shamefully exploit and vampirize the countries in which they live, it is not surprising that they have been hated wherever they lived. "

The Canada-Israel Committee also cites Robert Barberis-Gervais, in an article published December 13, 2010, which accused the Jewish lobby as responsible for the misfortunes of Yves Michaud, "The Jewish lobby is responsible for the Michaud Affair in 2000 and 2010. Rich Jews of Montreal and Laval treat French Quebecers as Palestinians, not recognizing their right to self-determination (and their own language and culture) with the same contempt as the Jews of Israel where they have all rights and that Palestinians have none, it is high time to tell the truth: it is the Jewish lobby which used the money it gave to the Liberal Party, the money it controlled in banks and elsewhere in the society, which is responsible for the Michaud affair. "
Rich Jews in Laval? Hmmmmm...

 David Ouellette writes an excellent and interesting blog in French  and has been in the forefront in pointing out the antisemitic rants on vigile.net.
If you think the above citations are out of the ordinary, they are not. Mr. Ouellette has referenced some of the most egregious posts LINK{FR}

At first Mr. Frappier reacted rather effectively, claiming that he was just one editor and that sometimes things slipped into the website that perhaps shouldn't have.
He then proceeded to remove the offending passages from the articles in question, adding a footnote that the paragraphs were deleted because they were 'controversial.'
It was a half-hearted effort, but would probably have satisfied those sovereignists uncomfortable with the antisemitic missives.
But Mr. Frappier couldn't leave bad enough alone and proceeded to issue an ill-thought press release which made his true opinions ever so clear;
.......the Canada-Israel Committee would be  far better advised to worry about anti-Semitic history of at least one own staff members and seek to understand the motives that may lead some Quebeckers to experience "mixed feelings" towards certain practices and behaviours of members of its community...  "There's been much discussion of Jewish schools which do not meet the standards of the Ministry of Education and the Jewish community's attempted to change the school calendar for all young Quebecers to meet the requirements of its religion. One can also wonder about the unfairness of the privilege granted to many foreigners and their families belonging to this faith who have free access to  health insurance during their stay in Quebec" LINK{FR}
Mr. Frappier then decided to go on the offensive and published a series of rebuttals that made eminently clear that the writers were not only unapologetic, but characterized their hatred as legitimate because Jews were enemies of sovereignty. No mincing words here;
Les juifs : la tribu la plus flyée du Québec (Jews, the most eccentric tribe of Quebec) LINK{FR}
VIGILE RÉPOND AU COMITÉ CANADA-ISRAËL (Vigile responds yo the Canada-Israel Committee) LINK{FR}

Most Pequistes and journalists ran for the hills with precious few ready to defend vigile.net.

Richard Le Hir
One of the few exceptions was our good Friend Richard Le Hir who interestingly defended the honour of vigile.net with the same intellectual prowess as the antisemites he was defending.
"Yes, Vigil bothers. More than you think. The accusations of antisemitism made ​​by the Canada-Israel Committee this week over two people who were criticized for remarks that everybody can recognize at first glance as unwise, we should certainly not be fooled by the manoeuvre and should recognize the real issue at hand." LINK{FR}
"Unwise?" Methinks Mr Le Hir is too modest!

In defending vigile.net, he uses a common deflecting device, changing the subject. He goes on a rant attacking Israel as an illegitimate because, notwithstanding that it was created by the world after a vote in the United Nations General Assembly, this happened only because of Jewish terrorism in the preceding months. 
What Israel has to do with the situation in Quebec and the antisemitism directed at Quebec Jews by vigile.net regulars remains an open question.
Perhaps he attacks Israel in sympathy to the Vigle band of idiots who have the audacity to compare Quebeckers to Palestinians.  

PALESTINIANS NO LESS!!!
Whatever side of the Israeli/Palestinian debate you are on, I think you'll agree that comparing the condition of Quebeckers to Palestinians, in any way shape or form is the product of a paranoid, twisted and delusional mind!

I wonder if Mr. Le Hir, the apologist, would characterize the following quotes from vigile.net as 'Unwise?'
"I'm sure if one of my grand-sons died in Lebanon or Palestine, I would spend the rest of my days trying to blow up every Jew in the world, and even the children of  each Jew, so it would make him feel as bad as I." -André Vincent
"...the very history of the Hebrews, the ancestors of the Jews and later the Israelis, is one of massacres, killings, genocide under divine inspiration of their god Yahweh"- Ivan Parent
"...The Anglos are no more at home in Quebec than Jews living in settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip"... - Simon Girard
"When I hear my fellow Quebeckers say they will vote for the ADQ because they want change, I feel like running away to Palestine to become a suicide bomber." Redacted
For those with very good French, this page on vigile.net is perhaps its most interesting.

It seems that the current controversy has in some way liberated vigile.net to manifest its true essence.

In reaction, the website has been flooding the Internet with a slew anti-Jewish diatribes and rehashed conspiracy theories. Mr  Frappier is busy scouring the Internet to find anti-Jewish stories which he is publishing as fast as he can. LINK{FR}
Not surprisingly, this defensive strategy has had the exact opposite effect that Mr. Frappier desired.

Vigile.net is now selling the idea that it is being attacked because it is such a powerful force and that Jews and Anglo Federalists are making unwarranted accusations in order to bring it down.

While his like-minded regulars may be enjoying a masturbatory celebration of hate, those sovereignists who are not racist (the vast majority) are angered and humiliated at rank stupidity of Mr. Frappier's actions, which has turned the site from a legitimate arena of discussion, to a gathering place for haters, rendering the website pathetic and irrelevant.

The pompous, self-important fools!
More tomorrow......

34 comments:

  1. > I mention the age thing, because it seems that where racism does occur in the sovereignty movement, it is generally found in these frustrated old codgers who dream of the good old days, when Quebec was racially pure and who today, are furious that minorities have some say in Quebec politics.

    This is to be expected. You know what else is to be expected? Time. Attitudes can change, and we can keep hoping that with time, a less divisive discussion could take place.

    > Rich Jews in Laval? Hmmmmm...

    I hear those crafty Jews have gotten a wormhole set up between Côte St Luc and Chomedey. You throw a loonie into it from Cote St Luc and through Jew magic becomes a fifty and ends up in Raymonde Folco’s campaign chest on the other end. True story. My friend’s political science teacher at Cégep du Vieux is really smart and he told her and she told me so I know it’s true.

    (Hey if they’re allowed to make stuff up, there’s no reason we shouldn’t either…)

    > Whatever side of the Israeli/Palestinian debate you are on, I think you'll agree that comparing the condition of Quebeckers to Palestinians, in any way shape or form is the product of a paranoid, twisted and delusional mind!

    Agreed. It is insulting to ordinary Palestinians who suffer under the double burden of (a) dispossession/Israeli occupation and (b) political oppression/ineffectiveness/incompetence/corruption on the part of their own native “leadership” (if you want to call it that). Nobody is taking away Quebecers’ land. And for the record, nothing on the scale of The Great Upheaval was ever tried in Quebec (as it was in Acadia)…

    It’s also sickening to see the opposite: Middle-Easterners coming to Quebec and instantly sympathizing with the separatist movement following a rather superficial analysis of the situation or through some kind of deferred/vicarious solidarity with the victims back home.

    > Vigile.net is now selling the idea that it is being attacked because it is such a powerful force and that Jews and Anglo Federalists are making unwarranted accusations in order to bring it down.

    Excellent marketing/brand promotion: “you know we’re somebody if they’re coming after us”.

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  2. According to the news reports back in October,2010, the money that some of those PQ MNA's contributed to Vigile.net came from riding funds.

    Sounds like taxpayers' money to me.

    Read all about it. The Jews are Plotting to Assassinate Obama. Brought to you, in part, by the generosity Bernard Drainville.
    www.Vigle.net/Things-to-Come

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  3. What is most disturbing about all of this racism, bigotry, hatred, intolerance is that its so far out in the open now. Its like they are proud that they are intolerant, bigots… These people, media (Joël-Denis Bellavance…), politicians (especially from Quebec) make intolerant, stupid comments regularly and these people are in the mainstream, all over CBC, CTV…its just sickening. You should listen to some of these scum bags in Ottawa…These are not isolated issues.

    We have sunk pretty low in this country, pretty low indeed.,

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  4. Unbelievable on two accounts.

    1. That this rag would even publish this racist and bigotted garbage.

    2. That they (Frappier and co.) are actually trying to rationalize it and defend themselves.

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  5. Vigile,¸.net is the separatist equivalent of nodogsandanglophones.

    In fact the comments that visitors leave here are usually much more racist than anything you can found on vigile.net

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  6. @ Anonmous 3:45
    "Vigile,¸.net is the separatist equivalent of nodogsandanglophones.

    In fact the comments that visitors leave here are usually much more racist than anything you can found on vigile.net"

    True, some of the comments on this blog are excessively racist. I make a point from time to time of pointing that out. The racisim here is usually directed at French Canadiens or Anglophones or even other ethnic groups from time to time.

    The difference however is that the blog articles are not racist and this blog is not used as a forum to denounce some third group. For example there is no continued thread denouncing Haitians for example (although communists domget a bad rap around here?). The blog is about anglophones in Quebec. Vigil.net's attack on Jews places it on par with Arien Nation websites and the KKK.

    While you may not like the push back from the Editor with regards to Anglo rights, he never states that French Canadiens are inferior or into some devious secret plot. He simply points out the public racist vitriol and illegal actions towards anglophones perpetrated by those that live in this province.

    There is a difference there. Disagreeing with bill 101 is not racist, despite what some French Canadiens believe. Stating as matter of fact that Jews intentionally destroy countries is racist, pure and simple.

    As for the comments section, I despise the terms "seppie" as much as "les autres" as much as "nigger" and "kike". On that point you are right.

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  7. Vigile,¸.net is the separatist equivalent of nodogsandanglophones.

    Hardly!!!!

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  8. [@BlueWhiteRed
    As for the comments section, I despise the terms "seppie" as much as "les autres" as much as "nigger" and "kike". On that point you are right.]

    Seppie and the N word on equal footing, you must write copy at rad can. You are allowed your opinion, but i use seppie frequently, and directed at the hatefull hardcare separatist element that would love nothing better than have all english exterminated wiped out of quebec.
    Now you are entitled to your opinion, but i find you equating both the 2 ridiculous, get off your high horse.

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  9. @ Qq chose de pourri,

    All those terms are derogatory. Remember not all French Canadians are separatists and not all separatist are evil racists.

    In any event, as per a previous post on another thread one of the hard core separatists stated that being called a French Canadian is the biggest insult possible.

    I say we refer to them always as French Canadians, it's not derogatory, it promotes our opinion that they are in fact Canadian first a Quebecois second and it annoys the he'll out of them! Win- Win!

    My 2-cents

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  10. A mort les traites a la patrie du Québec, Vive le FLQ, Vive le Québec libre

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  11. [@BlueBlancRouge
    All those terms are derogatory. Remember not all French Canadians are separatists and not all separatist are evil racists.]

    Any label can be derogatory, it does not mean they cannot be used, and you made the jump to paint wider than i did or do.
    When i say seppie logic, sorry but i had sillyu arguments with seppie friends that do conclude irrationaly. Sorry you cannot paint this as N word, use what you want to use, and stop telling me it is nasty, stupid argumentator deserve to be labelled as such, as an example anonymous coward 2:37 (i hope you don't object to the term coward in this case, lo and behold salshdot.org would have to rewrite their entire comment section)

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  12. To the commenters at the following times:
    MARCH 21, 2011 3:45 PM
    MARCH 22, 2011 2:37 PM
    It would be really brave of you to show your faces publicly so we can understand who you are for the the reports to the authorities, in the same way we have reported Louis Préfontaine's repetitive incitements to hate our community in QC: http://www.sqlservercentral.com/blogs/hugo/archive/2010/07/19/how-to-deal-with-quebec-s-extremists-expose-their-malfeasance-publically.aspx (updated with full comments, even those from PQ founders that left the party)

    Anyone can see how it is the man himself who is quite racist, as you both are, in the same way.

    Speaking out against an unjust law being equated to racism is simply a tactic on the part of language hawks to defend their extremism and entitlement to violate the Human Rights of minorities in the province of Quebec:

    Marche 17 avril 2011 pour l'abolition de la Loi 101

    - Pour que la discrimination basée sur langue au Québec prend fin et la liberté crée la richesse cette province a besoin.
    - Cette marche concerne l'abolition de la loi discriminatoire 101 (Charte de la langue française).
    - Cette marche n'est pas contre la langue française, ni les citoyens du Québec, c'est contre le Gouvernemama corrompu qui nous empêche de progresser dans notre propre province.

    Un grand peuple n'as pas besoin d'une loi pour faire une jambette à ses propre voisins qui parle une langue 'étrangère' tel que projeté sans cesse par des extrémistes tels que Louis Préfontaine. Ce sont des gestes anti-diversité qui contribue à l’épuration ethnique par harcèlement psychologique et propagande sociologique envers les minorités de la province, afin de le rendre homogène ‘pur laine’ (cette amour propre est normale, mais le problème qui est existe dans la législation provinciale - that means State Sanctioned discrimination).
    La langue française au Québec n'est pas en danger, c'est une fausse tempête pour que le PQ ou Bloc obtienne plus de vote sur le dos des minorités qui favorisent la Lingua Franca (qui est une langue officielle au Québec dans plus de 70 municipalités, donc c’est absolument faux de dire le contraire), bien sûr, et pour favoriser un environnement non-concurrentielle au gouvernement pour la majorité linguistique de la province. Le bilinguisme est en danger plutôt, parce d'interdire la langue du 'Business' nous rendre isolés économiquement de nos voisins au Canada, et aux États-Unis.

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  13. nodogsoranglophones.blogspot.com is way more racist than anything published on vigile.net, and it's not even close... It's only Canada's true nature to hate on Quebec and their french language, it's like waking up in the morning!! Free Quebec and the soonest will be the best.

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  14. Les sales indépendantistes sont trop crédibles ? Accusez-les d’antisémitisme. La tactique est classique et réussie à tous coups.

    De toutes évidences, personne ici ne lit Vigile.

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  15. On last thing, to all the canadian anglos here that are calling us ''separatist'' like if it was an insult to us, you are separatist yourselves!!!

    Canada is a sovereign country, isn't it?? So you are SEPARATED from the rest of the world by borders, aren't you??

    Everyone in this world is a separatist... There's borders everywhere!!!

    And if Canada can be a sovereign country, well Quebec can too, like everyone else on this planet... Unless you want to be a bunch of dirty hypocrites?

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  16. "Marche 17 avril 2011 pour l'abolition de la Loi 101"

    Je vous suggère de porter des casques protecteurs.On ne sait jamais.Certains groupes plutôt radicaux n'entendent pas a rire avec nos lois linguistiques.

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  17. de Robert Barberis-Gervais:
    Ph.D., a enseigné la théologie au Loyola College pendant deux ans. A été congédié parce qu'il était séparatiste et parce qu'il demandait à ses étudiants pourquoi l'Union Jack trônait dans la chapelle catholique des Jésuites du Loyola collège. A lu la Bible au complet deux fois et a bien aimé surtout les prophètes, les psaumes de David et le Nouveau Testament. Italien d'origine, se dit sémite de culture et catholique romain de religion. A écrit plus de 430 textes sur Vigile et publié six livres. Considère qu'il a un talent moyen d'essayiste. Presque spécialiste de Molière, Montaigne, Mme de La Fayette, Julien Gracq, Marguerite Yourcenar, Gaston Miron, Germaine Guèvremont, Mgr Félix-Antoine Savard, entre autres.

    Qui êtes-vous nodogsoranglophones? Pourquoi rester anonyme? J'aime bien la traduction de mon texte sur la Palestine et le Québec. J'aime beaucoup votre style: vous êtes un écrivain.
    Mon commentaire se trouve sur une bonne bouteille de vin australien le Settler's Cove Chardonnay 2009 que je vous recommande. On peut lire sur la bouteille:

    "Fresh and round on the palate, this straw-coloured Chardonnay is typical of the Australian heartland. Its bouquet conjures up tropical fruits and toasted almonds. Long on the palate, fresh and fruity, it owes its woody highlights to its oak-cask aging. It goes well with grilled poultry and whit fish in sauces, as well as mild cheeses like Camembert and St-Paulin. Best if served between 10 to 12 degrees C.

    rbg

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  18. Can readers help me out?
    I have pretty good French, but I feel I'm not understanding the above.

    I'm not joking about this....

    What is rbg saying? Especially about the wine?

    I can say this about why I remain anon.

    I don't want to be threatened anymore....
    I'm certainly not accusing anyone of anything but it is a legitimate concern, plus I have a job which I'm not interested in jeopardizing.

    Can anyone offer an opinion?

    One of the problems of the Internet is verifying the bone fides on those commenting.

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  19. "Vigile,¸.net is the separatist equivalent of nodogsandanglophones.

    Lol. Refer to BlueWhiteRed's comment at 5:14

    "In fact the comments that visitors leave here are usually much more racist than anything you can found on vigile.net"

    I agree. Look at this one...

    "A mort les traites a la patrie du Québec, Vive le FLQ, Vive le Québec libre"

    "nodogsoranglophones.blogspot.com is way more racist than anything published on vigile.net, and it's not even close... It's only Canada's true nature to hate on Quebec and their french language, it's like waking up in the morning"

    Personal opinion based on exagerated fabrications. Spare us.

    "De toutes évidences, personne ici ne lit Vigile"

    De toutes evidences there's no way you could possibly know that. Don't lie.

    "On last thing, to all the canadian anglos here that are calling us ''separatist'' like if it was an insult to us, you are separatist yourselves!!!

    Canada is a sovereign country, isn't it?? So you are SEPARATED from the rest of the world by borders, aren't you??

    Everyone in this world is a separatist... There's borders everywhere!!!"

    Seperatist refers to one who wishes to split from his/her current governmental affiliation and not whatever definiton you're trying to imply here. And with record-breaking immigration levels I think it's radically incorrect to suggest that Canada is separated from the world. Don't lie and exagerate. It isn't very becomming.

    "And if Canada can be a sovereign country, well Quebec can too, like everyone else on this planet... Unless you want to be a bunch of dirty hypocrites?"

    Two referendums lost, and the losing side still demands a third chance through tricky media manipulation that makes it seem like all of Quebec is on bord for sovereingty, even though polls show that well over half the population still wants to remain in Canada. You tell me who the hypocrits are.

    ""Marche 17 avril 2011 pour l'abolition de la Loi 101"

    Je vous suggère de porter des casques protecteurs.On ne sait jamais.Certains groupes plutôt radicaux n'entendent pas a rire avec nos lois linguistiques."

    It's sad to see how lightly you joke about people potentially being bullied out of their right to free speech.

    "Can readers help me out?
    I have pretty good French, but I feel I'm not understanding the above."

    I fully understand everything he wrote. I just don't understand what he's getting at.

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  20. @ Editor

    I think the gist of his comment is that he is an expert in french litterature, as well as a pedigree as long as my arm, and signs his articles with his real name.

    You, on the other hand, while competent, have a writing style perhaps more suited to the National Equirer and you hide your real identity while attacking (some would say defaming) people who have the guts to put their good name on the line. You prefer not to be held accountable for your blog and that, to me, says alot about the material that you put up here. The fact that you don't want to associate your name with something that you obviously put a lot of time and effort in is very telling.

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  21. "and signs his articles with his real name."

    How can you possibly know that?

    "he is an expert in french litterature"

    Sure. Just like every second poster on the Le Devoir comments board designates himself a "professor" of some sort.

    But even if he was an "expert in French literature" (which he isn't), what does it have to do with anything? Here, we discuss ways of curbing the uncontrollable greed of the Quebecois for more and more entitlement at the expense of everyone else. French literature has nothing to do with it.

    For example, I could be a nuclear physicist with 3 PhD's working for NASA, but if I tried to pressure the gov't to administratively favor me and my people and secure special treatment for myself at your expense, you'd have every right to oppose it. Your interest would be the sole determinant of your opposition, and the history of my people, or my professional titles, wouldn't matter one bit to you.

    Am I right, or am I right?

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  22. "Two referendums lost, and the losing side still demands a third chance..." Hein?!?!

    Une troisième chance?Dites-moi a qui demandons nous une troisième chance?Il est question ici d'auto-détermination d'une Nation.Les aspirations d'un peuple ne sont pas coulé dans le béton.Si ce n'est pas la prochaine fois et bien ce sera peut-être l'autre.C'est nous qui déciderons,pas le canada.

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  23. "The fact that you don't want to associate your name with something that you obviously put a lot of time and effort in is very telling."

    Vous avez parfaitement raison et ce n'est pas le première fois que nous lui demandons de s'identifier.A la limite je peux comprendre ses craintes et c'est pourquoi je vous suggère de prendre ce blogue pour ce qu'il est réellement: Un lieu ou des extrémiste se rencontre pour se casser la gueule...Vous avez vu "fight club"?

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  24. "Vous avez parfaitement raison et ce n'est pas le première fois que nous lui demandons de s'identifier.A la limite je peux comprendre ses craintes et c'est pourquoi je vous suggère de prendre ce blogue pour ce qu'il est réellement: Un lieu ou des extrémiste se rencontre pour se casser la gueule...Vous avez vu "fight club"? "

    Je comprends aussi ses craintes. Il ne voudra probablement jamais l'admettre, mais ses articles se rapprochent énormément du ton des articles tant décriés sur vigile.net. Remplacez "complot juif" par "french conspiracy" et voilà! Malheureusement, le french-bashing semble plus acceptable que l'antisémitisme, même si l'objectif visé est le même dans les deux cas.

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  25. To press 9 @ 1:49PM
    Do you not find it the least bit ironic to complain about me writing anonymously in an anonymous comment?

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  26. "Do you not find it the least bit ironic to complain about me writing anonymously in an anonymous comment?"

    Effectivement mais c'est vous l'éditeur de ce blogue et les blogues anonymes sont plutôt rares.
    Au fond,anonyme ou pas,qu'est-ce que ça change?
    Le débat reste le même.

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  27. > [...] ce n'est pas le première fois que nous lui demandons de s'identifier.
    > Au fond,anonyme ou pas,qu'est-ce que ça change?

    I love how it's possible to be both for and against something at once...

    > Si ce n'est pas la prochaine fois et bien ce sera peut-être l'autre.

    a.k.a. 'If we don't win today we'll win tomorrow.'
    ... and then we wonder how some people can question our stability...

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  28. "I love how it's possible to be both for and against something at once..."

    Une partie de votre cerveau est probablement atrophiée.Trop de subtilités vous échappent.
    Continuez a réfléchir très fort et peut-être parviendrez-vous a saisir certaines nuances.

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  29. To the French Canadian known as Press 9:

    "Une partie de votre cerveau est probablement atrophiée."

    At least he knows that spaces should be placed between each sentence.

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  30. "At least he knows that spaces should be placed between each sentence."

    Désolé,je n'ai pas compris le sens de votre réplique.

    For service in english...You know what to do.

    HA!HA!HA!

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  31. ""Two referendums lost, and the losing side still demands a third chance..." Hein?!?!

    Une troisième chance?Dites-moi a qui demandons nous une troisième chance?Il est question ici d'auto-détermination d'une Nation.Les aspirations d'un peuple ne sont pas coulé dans le béton.Si ce n'est pas la prochaine fois et bien ce sera peut-être l'autre.C'est nous qui déciderons,pas le canada."

    Well since AngloBuster won't talk to me anymore I guess you're my new patsy. The PQ is ASKING the poeple for their vote so that they may present an offer of negociations to the federal government through a referendum. The reality you've made up in your mind doesn't necessarily apply to the real reality, you know, the one that counts.

    "A la limite je peux comprendre ses craintes et c'est pourquoi je vous suggère de prendre ce blogue pour ce qu'il est réellement: Un lieu ou des extrémiste se rencontre pour se casser la gueule...Vous avez vu "fight club"?"

    Nobody here is clamouring for radical action or spewing racial slurs left and right, thus we are not extremists. Don't lie.

    "Remplacez "complot juif" par "french conspiracy" et voilà! Malheureusement, le french-bashing semble plus acceptable que l'antisémitisme, même si l'objectif visé est le même dans les deux cas."

    The term "french conspiracy" has not been used by either the edirot or poster once on this blog. Don't make shit up. Nobody bashes the French here either so don't make it seem that way. We disagree with the seperatists and their holier-than-thou opinions, and that's not the same thing.

    "To press 9 @ 1:49PM
    Do you not find it the least bit ironic to complain about me writing anonymously in an anonymous comment?"

    Ditto.

    "Effectivement mais c'est vous l'éditeur de ce blogue et les blogues anonymes sont plutôt rares.
    Au fond,anonyme ou pas,qu'est-ce que ça change?
    Le débat reste le même."

    So you critique his anonimity and then flip flop to say dans le fond ca change rien. Yeah, you're real credible.

    ""I love how it's possible to be both for and against something at once..."

    Une partie de votre cerveau est probablement atrophiée.Trop de subtilités vous échappent.
    Continuez a réfléchir très fort et peut-être parviendrez-vous a saisir certaines nuances."

    There's no subtle nuances. You've been caught flip flopping. Take it like a big boy and don't try to sneak your way out of it like a child caught in a lie.

    ""At least he knows that spaces should be placed between each sentence."

    Désolé,je n'ai pas compris le sens de votre réplique."

    Il te traite d'imbecile parce que t'as une mauvaise syntax. That better?

    "For service in english...You know what to do.

    HA!HA!HA! "

    This isn't clever in the least bit so I don't get why you're in hysterics. Anyways, using a shitty catchphrase just shows you're out of valid content.

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  32. "Il te traite d'imbecile parce que t'as une mauvaise syntax. That better?"

    Syntaxe,on écrit syntaxe...Imbécile.

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  33. ""Il te traite d'imbecile parce que t'as une mauvaise syntax. That better?"

    Syntaxe,on écrit syntaxe...Imbécile"

    You sure showed me. Boy do I ever feel put in my place. A forgotten letter in my comment. Don't know how my confidence will ever recover from this.

    I love, by the way, how you don't defend yourself and just counter with a simple spelling mistake. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that your weren't captainn of your high school debate team were you?

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  34. Actually I do think the Quebecois are like Palestinians in one very important way: neither is ready for self-government in any form imaginable.

    Eat THAT, stinking Judaeophobic dogs.

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