Friday, March 28, 2014

Mudslinging Leaders' Debate Devoid of Ideas

Watching last night's leader debate had me saddened over how low the political discourse has sunk in this province.
Insults, accusations, finger-pointing and nasty retorts were just about all we took away from the two-hour slugfest.

Afterwards, the journalists on both sides of the political spectrum discussed who won the debate in terms of who more successfully flung mud and whose barbs and insults had more effect.
It reminded me of a hockey fight where the two players square off and throw a few punches, some landing, some not, where in the end teammates applaud the effort and cheer their gladiator regardless of effect.

I don't know if in high school or college you ever had the experience of attending a student debate, but if you did, the level of debate was certainly higher than what we witnessed yesterday and ideas no doubt, the center of attention. No teacher/moderator would ever let debaters speak the way they did to each other last night or wander off into personal insult territory.

Over the last forty years the sovereignty debate has hung over the province like a permanent toothache, an analogy I use because when one has a serious toothache, there's nothing much else that can occupy one's mind.

Whether you are a federalist or a sovereigntist, I think you'll agree that we haven't seen anything that resembles a rationale attempt by the parties to enter into a real discussion with voters about how Quebec can be set right.

Oh, sure, we've been promised money for this, or money for that, a chicken in every pot  by all the parties, a sad attempt to seduce us with our own money.

The promises would be laughable, if not so sad, my favourite being the undertaking by the PQ to make sure every Quebecer had access to a family doctor within two years.

Really?
If that was doable, why hasn't the PQ already found a doctor for, say half of the 25% of doctorless Quebecers in the year and a half they've been in office?

But I'm not singling out the PQ for pie-in-the-sky promises, it's been the policy of the Liberals as well to spend money we don't have, on entitlements we can't afford and this in a lame attempt to buy voters' love.

In our comments section, the overwhelming topic of discussion remains sovereignty and the reality is that so overbearing is the issue that most voters will tolerate any incompetent government as long as it is federalist, while the same goes for sovereigntists, who really have no choice but to vote PQ if they desire a sovereigntist government, or at least a non-federalist government.

As I said, the sovereignty issue is a toothache that drowns out all rational political discussion and sadly remains once again, the dominating issue in this election.
I'm often castigated by those who decry the fact that I bitch and moan a lot, without offering any solutions, so I'm going to now offer an election platform of my own, in a effort to spark some discussion and to underline the utter inanity and vapidness of the election platforms offered by our political parties.

The idea behind these suggestions is to point out that real change requires real change, talking about shifting a few dollars here or there can't or won't affect real change.
Here goes;

No. 1 - No Discussion about sovereignty
Some things in life are better left unsaid.
Talking about a pointless and divisive issue serves no purpose. Maybe in the future, but certainly not now.
Discussions about not having a referendum are as pointless and as painful as discussing about having a referendum.
With the equalization debate about to be re-opened, it is self-destructive at this point to annoy the rest of Canada with idle threats and tantrums.
We've now reached the point that support for Quebec sovereignty has sunk to about 38% percent in Quebec and RISEN to about 38% in Canada, the worst case scenario I can think of, not particularly conducive to good relations.
The sovereignty debate reminds me of a caged hamster running on a treadmill, a lot of effort and distraction expended on nothing.

Come to think of it, the lyrics of the old STEELER WHEEL song, Stuck in the Middle With You pretty much describes our situation perfectly

♪ ♫ ♬  
Well I don't know why I came here tonight,
I got the feeling that something ain't right,
I'm so scared in case I fall off my chair,
And I'm wondering how I'll get down the stairs,
Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right, here I am,
Stuck in the middle with you.   

♪ ♫ ♬

More wordiness? How about this old proverb;
"What the eye doesn't see, the heart doesn't grieve over"   

Now to the Nitty-Gritty.

No. 2 - Reserve public daycare for those who need it
Is this the biggest no-brainer of all?

Who of you out there believes that it's okay for a $150,000 plus lawyer to drive up to deliver her child to a public daycare facility while a barista at Tim Hortons can't find a place for her child.

Before we even discuss whether the program is reasonable or desirable, can't we clean it up to make it accessible to those who need it and restrict access to families which can afford other arrangements?


No. 3 - Free University Education
Students only pay about 12-15% of their university education, so making it free isn't a big deal, only about $700 million.

But making education free would be a wonderful opportunity to create a new social contract in education, one where students have to study and where teachers would have to teach...a novel idea in Quebec.

A revamped education system would more than pay for the free tuition and in fact SAVE the government hundreds of millions of dollars money in the long-term. Quebec tried to be different from the rest of North America, but sometimes, the tried a true is the way to go.
  1. Eliminate cegep and add one year to high school and university. The cegep system is a failed experiment that allows unqualified students to be babysat by unqualified teachers.
  2. Raise standards, instead of lowering them. The idea that everyone benefits from higher education is absurd. In Quebec, French cegeps are so desperate for students that a high school leaving certificate is no longer required. Just show up and you're in. Of these students 50% drop out in the first year. 
  3. Shrink university sizes. Almost all universities and cegeps in Quebec are just plain too big so they try to fill the benches with unqualified students. Dropping the capacity of the universities by 15% would return competition to the system while saving tons of money. Losing the worst 15% of students would be a financial blessing without sacrificing anything. These students aren't going to pass anyways and are just wasting their time and our money.
  4. Free tuition is not a free pass. Students would have to qualify by PASSING their courses. A one time charge would be applied in the first year and serve as a deposit for failure. Those who fail classes or drop out would forfeit the money and be required to pony up again if they wished to continue. Sound harsh? The alternative is paying every year. Students benefiting from free tuition could be required to do some community service in their own school or waive that obligation by participating in university extra-curricular activities. The money held in trust could be returned with interest to graduating students who have completed their studies in the allotted time, a pretty nice incentive for success!
  5. Eliminate the program whereby Quebec taxpayers pay for a reciprocal transfer program between Quebec and francophone countries where foreign students pay local tuition rates. This program is a one-way street with French students studying in Quebec benefiting 10-1 over  Quebec students abroad. 25% of the students attending the HEC of the University of Montreal are beneficiaries of this program from France. The program was meant to foster relationships between the Francophonie, but some of these foreign students are going to McGill, all on the taxpayer dime, medicare included!  Talk about unintended consequences!
  6. Courses like Art Appreciation, History, Political Science and Cinema are now mostly the repository of students unable or unwilling to take actual courses that can lead to an job rather than an avocation. I'm not in favour of eliminating these courses, society needs to be well-rounded, but these courses should be reserved for  ELITE students who deserve the opportunity to study these subjects. Would you as a taxpayer be in favour of offering violin lessons to talentless layabouts or require them to display an aptitude for the instrument.  I'm more than willing to subsidize a student with real talent or determination, someone who is more than likely to use his education to further a career in those esoteric fields.
  7. Eliminate 'hobby' education. I had a neighbour who went back to school at 55 to become a sociologist  and never practiced a day after graduating.  The whole thing was an enrichment experience that taxpayers shouldn't be forced to fund. Like hang-gliding or golf, pay for it yourself.
  8. Control salaries and expenses, while freezing all new building programs. The idea that a university rector is worth $400,000 plus a padded travel and expense account is laughable. Running a university is nothing as compared to a real executive job in the real world where creating money is the trick, not spending it.

No. 4 - Re-vamp Hydro-Quebec and eliminate political interference

Selling off Hydro-Quebec is just not politically doable, but getting the politicians out of the decision-making process an absolute necessity.
With falling prices internationally, Hydro-Quebec is being squeezed between lower demand and diminishing prices.
The very first act would be to stop any expansion of foolish wind power and co-generation projects, AS WELL as closing down all such projects in operation, which lose money every day, every hour and and every minute.
Undertake negotiations with Newfoundland  to normalize the situation so that the foolish energy programs put forward by Newfoundland can be replaced by over-capacity from Quebec.
Renegotiating the famous 'swindle' can actually be in Quebec's long-term interest.


No. 5 - No More Jobs for the boys
The ongoing disaster that is employment in the regions has confounded government for the last fifty years. The money-losing wind farm industry was created not to produce electricity, but rather to create  jobs in the Gaspé.
Rather than have money-losing jobs-for-the-boys projects that create jobs at two or three times the cost of the salary of the employed, the government can move some of it operations to these depressed regions.
We've all called customer service and been greeted by somebody in Bangladesh or India, so why not in the Îles de la Madeleine?
In fact, of the 700,000 people who work for the government, a transfer of just 5% or 35,000 jobs would cure the problem of unemployment in the regions at no cost.
Any paper-pushing department can be moved and the loss of jobs in Quebec city, not nearly as important as the creation of jobs in the boonies.

No. 6 - Do more with less
Freeze government hiring for five years and let the civil-service attrit naturally through retirement. Governments grow because they can, not because they need to. Every single government department should set a five-year target of reducing its size by 10%.

No. 7 - Encourage bigger families
If Quebecers just had more babies, just about ½ a child per family more, Quebec could completely eliminate immigration.
Poof!, No need for the Charter of Values, because Quebec could freeze it's identity as is and this within just one generation!
The money spent on the costly and under-employed immigrants can be returned to families that have three or more children, via a tax break.
That's right, a three or more children home would benefit from a ten or fifteen percent lower tax break, come income tax time.
Special programs could be created that only three-children plus families could benefit from, like making daycare free for them alone.
A big hurdle is affordable and available housing in the big cities that is needed to accommodate larger families, so builders could be required to set aside a certain percentage of new homes or condos or rental apartments with three bedrooms, available only to families with three children and at a rent comparable to a two-bedroom. The rest of the tenants would make up the difference. That's social justice!


I've got plenty of other ideas, but I'll leave them to another post. In the meantime, what are your ideas and what do you think of these.

Wouldn't you like to see these and other ideas debated, ideas that mean real change.

As Joan Rivers said...'Can we talk?'

174 comments:

  1. ‘‘Debate Devoid of Ideas’’

    Of course, what did you expect?

    Lies, spin, more lies, corruption, fraud, money laundering…the entire political system is a mess from the top down and the bottom up…the real question that should be asked but is never asked in the media is, who is not on the take in government?

    How do these people get re - elected? It’s obvious, take a close look at who votes for them.

    "We don’t want the party to end, the “free” trips, expense accounts…perks, gold plated pensions, free this, free that…Yes indeed, see we in government, are all entitled to our entitlements folks and we can’t stop that, at least not until we retire. Our unions say so, it’s ours and we want it now...$$” Nice eh? See what working for government has become? Go look at all the debt mounting. Governments all across Canada, the US… have been on a hiring binge, a spending spree for decades now. Government = police, fire, hospitals, teachers, lawyers, crown corporations – Canada post, Hydro…= high salaries, bonuses, pensions, perks… all out of control for decades now = More and more debt…making the connection yet?

    Decades of overspending…more and more debt, see what these people in government are doing to future generations?

    Greed, greed and more greed... this is what runs Canada now, all provinces, not just Quebec any longer...although Quebec is still the worst. All government, all greed...every day…while the private sector gets gutted…thanks greedy public sector unions, scum of the earth, all of them… This is just a fact and it’s only gotten worse.

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    1. Editor: You have presented what Plato referred to as the Ideal Plane. I have something more realistic: Let Canadians have an open discussion about throwing Quebec the hell out of our country, stop the equalization payments to the ingrates and let Canada get on with being a much better country without Quebec.

      Of course, parts of Quebec will belong to Canada, such as the St. Lawrence Seaway which is a joint venture with the U.S., all Indian lands since they have no desire to go with Quebec (and who can blame them), and an easement from Ontario to the Atlantic Provinces without customs, etc. Montreal goes with Quebec. After all the corruption and collapsing infrastructure, Montreal no longer serves any useful purpose....unfortunately. It's for all intents and purposes broke, there is no new development where Toronto is in a development frenzy, as is Calgary, so sadly that once great city is now a has-been, a wreck and practically a wasteland or will be if the trends continue.

      One important thing you failed to mention, Editor: What about the English language in Quebec? Where does it stand as you see it? Can we expect the Quebec civil servants to serve people in English again in ALL departments and services What about it?

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    2. @Mr.Sauga

      I know that often when you do express opinions about Quebec, they are not always objective and we will leave it at that. I do not disagree with you, the time has come for Canada to have a real discussion about the status of quebec within ITS borders, because more and more, there is evidence that..that is what is on the minds of the the ROC more than ever before. The past 2weeks I have travelled to different parts of Ontario, and spent time with colleagues from BC and Alberta. Naturally our favorite topic of 'quebec antics' always comes up. I get the sense, for a while now, that the ROC is so indifferent to quebec, more so now, than previously, I think it already sees it GONE. If it ever occurs to them to think about quebec, it is foremost BECAUSE of equalization payments, they really do feel that quebec is STEALING that money from them.

      Funny enough, Pauline Marois keeps saying, if she wins a majority government, she will only hold a Referendum when quebecers are ready for one (not sure how she intends to measure this.."readiness", a question that has been asked, but not often enough), which is too bad, because the rest of Canada is definitely ready to see quebec go, and I would bet the Farm on that. If Marois were truly serious about obtaining independence for quebec, (and where there is a will there is a way) and senses a reticence from quebecers but still wants to accomplish it anyway, why doesn't she play it the other way? Get Canada to throw Quebec out. Isn't getting quebec out of Canada the ONLY goal, who cares how you get there? But, alas, she, and the rest of the PQ don't go that route because fundamentally, they are unequivocally aware it is not an option. Economically they would be bankrupt before they could utter the words "un pays", with fist up. Lol. They use the whole idea of independence for shear blackmail....a strategy to keep extracting more from Canada, pure and unadulterated extortion. It is disgusting and cheap, Legault admitted it at the debate, and we know this is the mindset of 'Les nationalistes" but Canada is on to them.

      Here is my challenge to those within the PQ ranks, the seppie militants, why do you not reach out to the other Canadians and encourage them to help you in your venture for Independence? Ask the RoC to hold the referendum Pauline Marois is playing you with. Make HER an offer she can't refuse, doesn't she owe you that? I promise you ...you will be a country before you know it. Lol

      You're welcome!

      As for your comments on Montreal, Mr. Sauga, I highly object. Couillard, who I didn't really think much about before the last debate, spoke the truth about bilingualism. That silent majority that sits on its ass, deep down does wish their kids are bilingual so that they too have a fighting chance in this world. They are too afraid to admit it. Too afraid to articulate what they truly feel deep down, because they are cowards. Couillard is not a coward. Couillard is telling you what it is and how it is. This hiding behind a language and culture has destroyed this province and especially Montreal and that is the truth. quebec no longer has the luxury of burying its head in the sand, but be my guest. Montreal, on the other hand has the courage and holds steadfast to the ideal and credence it can re-invent itself as an economically prosperous, multi-cultural, BILINGUAL metropolis, in spite of the roq.

      Montréal pour une ville-état

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    3. Mr. Sauga to MPUVE...IT'S ON, BITCH!!!Saturday, March 29, 2014 at 8:50:00 PM EDT

      OK, you've blown the smoke in my face, and as far as I'm concerned where ever there's smoke, there's ire!

      Michael Applebaum, the first Anglophone Jewish mayor (spayed mare, really), albeit for a blink of an eye, called Montreal a French city. That was real bravery!

      How come airheads taking basket weaving at UQAM and Gérald Godin CEGEP go out banging pot lids and wearing red squares to protest? Are they are the brave ones?

      Quebec is a composite of cowards, esp. those who won't fight the government to help better the career prospects for their kids. Why are THEY so gutless. I'd kill for my child if the need be!

      To cut and pastYOUR words: "Couillard is not a coward."
      MPUVE: YOU WILL LIVE TO EAT YOUR WORDS!...and no antacid will be strong enough to take the acid reflux you will feel burning your guts, esophagus and throat away! It will burn like brimstone, and I'll tell you why!

      Prior to his election victory on December 2, 1985, Robert Bourassa, the aspiring premier "PROMISED" the minorities he'd enable the civil service to more proportionately represent the demographics of the day as opposed to less than the 2% representation then, and still less than 2% now.

      Prior to his election victory on December 2, 1985, Robert Bourassa, the aspiring premier "PROMISED" the minorities he'd relax the sign laws of Bill 101 thus enabling English to appear on signs. He followed that up with Bill 178 in response to Constitutional challenges that ruled French alone is unconstitutional.

      Prior to his election victory on December 2, 1985, Robert Bourassa, the aspiring premier "PROMISED" the minorities he'd relax the language laws and allow children of minorities easier access to English schools. When was THAT"PROMISE" ever fulfilled?

      Face it, MPUVE: After winning his December 2, 1985 election, all those election "PROMISES" to the Anglophone and other minorities were long forgotten...right on December 3, 1985!

      If you think Dr. Philippe Couillard is going to be any different, let me end this response to you with a question:

      ARE YOU A FOOL, OR ARE YOU ACTING LIKE A FOOL?

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    4. @Mr. S

      (Looking over left should) .......(looking oner right should)....pointing thumb at myself....You talkin' to ME?....

      Did you just meet me Mr. S? Lol

      Seriously, not quite sure what I said to have unleashed THAT reaction but you need to haul it back a smidge.
      ....ok. A LOT.

      I'm not deluded, and you don't have to remind me that Liberals have been double-crossing sons-of-bitches..(I thought you knew...I know that...hello?), HOWEVER, that being said, we have to give it to Couillard, who dared to go where no one who attains power in this bloody province will go, admit the importance of bilingualism, the Big elephant in the room, and doing so at the debate.....THAT took balls. Who the fuck are we kidding? YOU NEED ENGLISH TODAY, cause the future generations of the limited unilingual Francophones, won't ALL hold jobs in the provincial civil service, or at Hydro Quebec, or at the STM. If you work in the private sector in this province, in private Industry, YOU NEED ENGLISH! And it is indisputable. For Marois, Legault and David, to stand there and beat down Couillard over his admission that being Bilingual today is a must, is downright hypocritical and deceptive. They are Liars, ...Liars for standing there and implying that such an admission means anything but what he was saying, and what he was saying does not threaten French Language and identity. It is fucking backward to claim it is. Shame on them, especially Marois who sent her sons to Kuper Academy, a private ENGLISH school apparently. I wonder if such information were disclosed to her stupid followers what they'd think. Credibility ZERO.

      Whatever Couillard does going forward, I champion him for admitting something that is unpopular amongst French Canadians if this province, though they refuse to admit it out loud, they know it is true, English is imperative, and bilingualism is an asset. ANYONE who says different is a bloody Liar...A LIAR. Couillard should be commended for admitting the truth, not chastised.

      To conclude Mr. S, No Fool here buddy! But you gotta give to Cesar, what is Cesar's. Couillard did good on that stance, and it's a start.

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    5. Mr. Sauga says: “Quebec is a composite of cowards, esp. those who won't fight the government…”

      You fled. We fight. Your opinion is meaningless. End of story.

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    6. Equanimity: I fled because I saw inaction, and I alone can't fight. Lots of gum flapping over Bill 22, no action. Solution: Leave. Ditto with Bill 101. Lots of venting, lots of gums flapping, lots of tongue flagellation, no action. Solution: Leave. Why stay, fight, and contribute my taxes to a government that was doing me no favours and giving me dirty looks when I addressed them in my own language? Solution: Leave. Case closed. Sianara, Equanimity. NEXT!

      My dear fellow MVÉ: I agree with every word you wrote. Every one! My late mother, MSRIP, heard my rants from 1974 on, time and time again, and she assured me there is no perfection anywhere. I knew that as she spoke, but I also knew Quebec was much further from Plato's Ideal Plane than every surrounding jurisdiction and the ones not adjacent to Quebec as well.

      Yes, Couillard SHOULD be commended, but the crash test dummies of the Saguenay and Lac-St-Jean are too stupid to process this.

      I know enough not to argue with idiots. This is something Equanimity should realize as part of my reason for leaving without much resistance. Why fight myself into stress when I can move away and live far more peacefully. Paradoxically, my beefs living outside Quebec are with Quebec, and I want it put to an end, and the best way I can put it to an end is show Quebec the door and tell them not to let it hit them in the ass on the way out.

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    7. @Mr. Sauga

      All their language bullshit is directed at Montreal, because Montreal is a different animal from the rest of the roq. Language laws, and further restrictive measures are not meant for, or needed in Matane, Saguenay and Lac st-jean, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone there, except for tourists, who the first thing out of their mouths is English. But Montreal is their favorite target because it is so diversified. It doesn't look like them, or sound like them, and they've decided to do everything to spite it. They insist on trying to transform it into what they feel it should be. They refuse to accept it for what it is, and what it has become, so they attempt to punish it at every turn, and inflict pain. They are nothing but abusive bullies, tyrants and dictators, and YESS I am referring to seppies and the PQ primarily. Their strategy, thus, is that by administering torturous measures, such as excessive Language Laws & charter, they chase away as many, what they consider "undesirables" as possible. THIS is the reason why Montreal has to wake up and realize it is in a really bad Cinderella story. The evil stepmother, (popo), and the wicked (step sisters), the rest of the PQ, have it in a dungeon, in dirt and squalor. Problem is, there is no fairy tale prince coming to rescue it, no glass shoe, to put on unless it stands up on its own two feet and fetches it herself. Montreal has to break away from the oppressive measures constantly being imposed on it. It's bad for Business. It has to disassociate itself ASAP, if it stands a chance of surviving, and rediscovering its economic zeal.

      Montreal will never be like the rest of quebec, we are far too different but we must realize that in the past 40years we have become the roq's favorite punching bag. ENOUGH.

      If this city ever comes out of the coma it is in, it will chase out it's admonishers with a huge kick in the ass. We are, multi-ethnic, we are bilingual, WE ARE DIFFERENT...get use to it, OR GET LOST.

      Montréal pour une ville état

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    8. MPUVÉ: This yakkety-yak has been going on 40 years, and there are plenty of pro-PQ constituencies in Montreal, so the enemy is as much within as off the Island.

      I wish you luck in your mission, but Quebec got itself into this mess, so don't look for the RoC to bail you out. Certainly there is nothing in it for Harper to do anything and I'm not sympathetic to Montreal's plights anymore. Sorry.

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    9. “I'd kill for my child if the need be!”

      Yeah, sure. You’re nothing but a lily-livered chickenshit and name-caller. All talk, no action.

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    10. That's ok, no worries.

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  2. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTFriday, March 28, 2014 at 11:36:00 AM EDT

    I fully concur.
    All these propositions are reasonable and justified however with that deep perception of all things " Etat providence" it will take at least one generation for quebeckers to get back to reality.

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    1. i'm happy to see that you changed your mind on tuition fees mate.

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    2. Yo, trolls:

      1) Hot Dog: Make that TWO generations. It took two generations to get to this point, so it will take two generations at least to reverse.

      2) elementary school: Do realize free tuition is conditional. UQAM students need not apply for the freebies. They're chronic failures.

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  3. lots of fantastic ideas, unfortunately anyone who would suggest them would be committing political suicide. Like a toddler that refuses to eat their vegetables, or fights receiving an injection, the people of Quebec prefer to focus on the nonsensical magical panacea of separation.

    The way things are going I'm not sure Quebec would ever be able to shrink the amount of unqualified candidates into university. As can be seen by the turning of hotel after hotel into student residences, education is one of the last actual industries, and they need to keep accepting non-qualified domestic and especially international students (and the money they bring in) to keep the whole thing afloat.

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  4. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTFriday, March 28, 2014 at 11:55:00 AM EDT

    Ma tante Pauline, aka "mud slinger en chef":
    http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/03/27/graeme-hamilton-with-pqs-confidence-evaporated-marois-reduced-to-slinging-mud-at-couillard/

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  5. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-votes-2014/philippe-couillard-blasted-for-defending-bilingualism-1.2589987

    Makes it easy who to vote. Bunch of fucking racist assholes



    "I find it catastrophic to think he could one day lead Quebec and defend our language. He doesn't even understand the issues facing us in our factories, businesses and neighbourhoods."

    Legault responded: "I agree with you Madame Marois, it's incredible to hear Mr. Couillard tonight, who doesn't want to defend the French language, who denies a problem in Montreal even exists; we've never seen that from a leader of the Liberal party."

    The problems that exist are caused and exacerbated by francophones that benefit from the continued idiocy of their people.

    Bilingualism is a problem but Francophone racism and ignorance arn;t?

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    1. Cut them some slack Pierre. As a race there' no question they are generally low I.Q. It's like dealing with a bunch of kids, we have to deal with their handicaps.Do we dis mentally challenged generally, because that's what they are.. People will call me racist and cruel for saying this but how else could they fall for the obvious shallowness of marois. without seeing the abyss ahead...
      Good to be back, finaly out of Hospital for the last time, I hope. Ed

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    2. Good too see you are out of the hospital. Did they give you some meds?

      I know you'll make sure to get yourself to the polling station.

      Better make sure you have your voting card.

      I guess Lachine is a strong Liberal bastion.

      Editor, in the newspaper and your site, not a single analysis or update or even reprint of the voting in the areas. What are our safe ridings one by one?

      Everybody is encouraged to vote Liberal, the rest be damned?

      I'm ok with that this time. There is nobody else to vote for anyway.

      Hopefully Couillard will ignore any campaign promises about increasing any amount of Francophone assurance insanity.

      There are a lot of promises these people make. Hopefully the Liberals will only deal with real and not imaginary issues once elected.

      Protecting French is not an issue anymore. Done that, been there. Enough already. That medicine isn;t working any better.

      No more politics of division based on language, culture, skin etc.

      Montreal has never been more damaged by Francophones picking at their collective wounds from the past and thumbing the rosary beads.

      The Liberals need to find a way to cut Montreal loose from Quebec so it can have the autonomy to rectify or abrogate the silly laws that francophones in Quebec city and no teeth hinterland pass.

      Montreal has had enough damage already from the idiocy.

      With every new law passing we are yet again told "this will be enough".

      It never is of course.

      Wait 5 years and politicians in QC elected from Charlevoix are trying to dictate how people in the streets of montreal communicate, do their business and send their children to school yet again.

      The PQ are always trying to fine tune the formula to produce the perfect francophone sensibilities in the next generation.

      It's never occurred to them the inhumanity and injustice of their acts. They are psychopaths, unable to relate to other human beings not like them.

      Like a religious fanatic. No sacrifice is too much as long as they don;t have to sacrifice their daughter.

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  6. "We've all called customer service and been greeted by somebody in Bangladesh or India, so why not in the Îles de la Madeleine?"

    It's because we've all been trained to use the global language that the globalist elite wants us to use. So our jobs can be easily sent oversees. Welcome to the NWO.

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    1. Which brings me to another point. Those customer service jobs are located in Bangalore, because that is where there are a large number of ENGLISH-speaking people who can be hired very cheaply. Most of the people of Quebec aren't going to hear THEM because they don't speak French. (Unless there's a French-language call centre located in Pondicherry.) Where would French-language call centres be located? Haiti? North Africa? Tahiti and Polynesia?

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    2. "Where would French-language call centres be located? Haiti? North Africa? Tahiti and Polynesia?"

      In another world and another time, the objective of the French-speaking elites would be to set up a sweat shop network in the French-speaking Third World: e.g. Africa and Haiti. The problem is that they seem to have been out-competed by their Anglo-American rival who beat them to the punch in the race for global access.

      Left with little choice, the French elite has opted to bring cheap labor over to France and Quebec and hire here at low wages (though still North American/EU minimum wages, unlike the Anglo-American elite which hires in India and Bangladesh for 2 cents an hour).

      It also seems that the French speaking elite accepted the dominance of the Anglo-American elite (remember that for someone like Rothschild, the most powerful man in Quebec - Paladeau, is nothing but an ant), and that the French-speaking elite is fully on board as far as the NWO is concerned, as long as they can claim the status of the 2nd/3rd place in line in the mad pursuit of global profits.

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    3. "Would you agree a teenager shouldn't move out from it's parents house until it gets steady income to pay for it's new place?"

      not really. i think it's fine for a student to move out of his parent's house even he doesn't already have a steady income. moreover though i don't think quebec's situation is analogous to a teenager's.

      "By your logic we might as well hand out the same food stamps, subsidiaries and social programs specifically for the disadvantaged to the rich..."

      not at all. by my logic you can only conclude that it's ok for some programs to be universal (healthcare, daycare, etc) and some others not to be (food stamps, etc.) and that you can't use the editor's argument against cheap daycare otherwise you have to support barring richer households from using "free" healthcare and other government things. a good argument against it would include reasons why daycare shouldn't be universal when healthcare, schooling or public transport fares are. also, it is quite contradictory to plead against this program but at the same time propose incentives for mothers to have more babies.

      i agree that poor mothers shouldn't have to wait to get their kids in there. so the solution is more daycare spots as proposed by the pq.

      "Medium income is higher up-north too but that's because the cost of living is much higher."

      sure mate, it still is a bad example of a poor area that is showered with bogus windfarms, as it's not poor and has no windfarms.

      "Someone has gotten under Student's skin..."

      don't you agree paranoid fear mongering misfit freaks should not reproduce?!?

      also, you have been trying to rebute all my comments without exception for the last month or so. did i get under your skin mate?

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    4. "Where would French-language call centres be located?"

      Actually, SEARS CANADA closed the Montreal call centre and moved the French part to Romania, which has a history of French.

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    5. Morocco

      Videotron outsourced a ton of call center positions over there.

      Lots of French speakers and close to Europe.

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    6. Along the same lines..ish, QS questions PKP on registering his Quebec companies in Delaware.

      http://tinyurl.com/meymbh5

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  7. no 1. "Maybe in the future, but certainly not now."

    disagree. how can quebec sovereignty be good in the future, but not now?!? i don't think this issue is a matter of timing.

    no 2. "Reserve public daycare for those who need it."

    disagree. you could make the same argument with every government "service". hence why not have the rich pay more than the poor for their healthcare, highway trips, stm tickets? why not bar the rich access to free schooling? nonsense right? well same goes for daycare.

    no 3. i agree. free schooling, with constraints, sounds good to me.

    no 4. i agree. hydro-quebec should be rid of political interference. the desmarais family should be thrown out of there.

    no 5. i agree, althought i think your magdalen island example is badly chosen. median household income of 52000$ is over the canadian average of 47000. without windfarms.

    no 6. i agree. i also support efficiency.

    no 7. i agree. please breed more. except for anectote of course.

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  8. "disagree. how can quebec sovereignty be good in the future, but not now?!? i don't think this issue is a matter of timing."
    Would you agree a teenager shouldn't move out from it's parents house until it gets steady income to pay for it's new place?

    "disagree. you could make the same argument with every government "service". hence why not have the rich pay more than the poor for their healthcare, highway trips, stm tickets? why not bar the rich access to free schooling? nonsense right? well same goes for daycare."
    Wow PKP has only been in the PQ for a few weeks and student is already against wealth distribution. The rich already do pay more albeit voluntarily for their healthcare, highway trips, stm tickets, in that they opt for better less subsidized services. Low cost daycare was set up to help people who couldn't afford to work and send their kids to daycare. By your logic we might as well hand out the same food stamps, subsidiaries and social programs specifically for the disadvantaged to the rich, why we're at it lets have everyone pay the same amount of taxes.

    "i agree, althought i think your magdalen island example is badly chosen. median household income of 52000$ is over the canadian average of 47000."
    Medium income is higher up-north too but that's because the cost of living is much higher.

    "except for anectote of course"
    Someone has gotten under Student's skin lol

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    1. "Would you agree a teenager shouldn't move out from it's parents house until it gets steady income to pay for it's new place?"

      not really. i think it's fine for a student to move out of his parent's house even he doesn't already have a steady income. moreover though i don't think quebec's situation is analogous to a teenager's.

      "By your logic we might as well hand out the same food stamps, subsidiaries and social programs specifically for the disadvantaged to the rich..."

      not at all. by my logic you can only conclude that it's ok for some programs to be universal (healthcare, daycare, etc) and some others not to be (food stamps, etc.) and that you can't use the editor's argument against cheap daycare otherwise you have to support barring richer households from using "free" healthcare and other government things. a good argument against it would include reasons why daycare shouldn't be universal when healthcare, schooling or public transport fares are. also, it is quite contradictory to plead against this program but at the same time propose incentives for mothers to have more babies.

      i agree that poor mothers shouldn't have to wait to get their kids in there. so the solution is more daycare spots as proposed by the pq.

      "Medium income is higher up-north too but that's because the cost of living is much higher."

      sure mate, it still is a bad example of a poor area that is showered with bogus windfarms, as it's not poor and has no windfarms.

      "Someone has gotten under Student's skin..."

      don't you agree paranoid fear mongering misfit freaks should not reproduce?!?

      also, you have been trying to rebute all my comments without exception for the last month or so. did i get under your skin mate?

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    2. "not really. i think it's fine for a student to move out of his parent's house even he doesn't already have a steady income. moreover though i don't think quebec's situation is analogous to a teenager's."

      Well that really tells you the maturity of Students thinking, absolutely no realistic or pragmatic forethought. Just move out with being able to pay for where you';re moving, landlords must love you, really take a page out of Breton's book. Of course Quebec's situation is like a teenager, they live under their parents roof, and live off of their money for the things they want, if they want to move out and have more autonomy they'll have to be able to support themselves. At this point in time suggesting that they can is ridiculous, without massive cuts in all kinds of services, and no guarantee of a stable economy at this point.

      " a good argument against it would include reasons why daycare shouldn't be universal when healthcare, schooling or public transport fares are. "

      Because those are fundamental services people need regardless of if they can pay extra for them or not? Daycare is not.

      "i agree that poor mothers shouldn't have to wait to get their kids in there. so the solution is more daycare spots as proposed by the pq."

      Other than how one would pay for everyones' daycare without jacking up taxes again.

      "sure mate, it still is a bad example of a poor area that is showered with bogus windfarms, as it's not poor and has no windfarms."

      The editor never said it had windfarms, nor did he say they were poor, he said the Gaspe had windfarms and suffers from unemployment.

      "don't you agree paranoid fear mongering misfit freaks should not reproduce?!?"
      I'd never tell you not to reproduce! I'm sure the paranoia is a nurture problem, so there is still hope for your offspring!

      "also, you have been trying to rebute all my comments without exception for the last month or so. did i get under your skin mate?"

      Lol "trying". ;)

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    3. student, your ramblings didn't seem so profound that they needed to be posted twice. Once was more than enough. I love it when someone with a leftish leaning argues for giving the rich subsidies. With a government strapped for cash, the Editors idea is a good one. And, by the way, progressive taxation ensures that higher income earners effectively do pay more for their healthcare, roads, etc.

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    4. Anonymous Buster of Shit ArgumentsSaturday, March 29, 2014 at 9:08:00 AM EDT

      @whowhatzit

      The problems with seppies along the lines of Student is that they're completely cocooned and therefore have no realistic idea of what consequences could befall them.

      This is why I'm FOR separation. See, I know that within 10 to 12 years, Quebec will return to Canada. The immense financial suffering that will consume Quebec will be the new Grande Noirceur and no one who experiences it will ever forget it.

      Once Quebec re-adheres to Canada, you can bet that will be the end of this separatist crap once and for all. No one will ever forget having to live in an unheated apartment through a brutal winter. No one will ever forget having to dine on potato peels.

      No one will forget about $2.50 per liter gas...having to work a 60K/year job for $25K/year...moving back in with their parents in their forties...having to cut cable to afford their smokes.

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    5. Oh I have no doubt Quebec would become a failed state in under a decade, at the very least one with so few services and amenities that they were provided within Canada that they'd be begging to be let back in. Though the problem is should the rest of Quebec be made to suffer the folly of 30% of it's population? Should we let the minority inmates run the asylum?

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    6. @whowhatrzit

      "Though the problem is should the rest of Quebec be made to suffer the folly of 30% of it's population?"

      of course not. that's why the threshold for a winning referendum is set at 50%. weren't you aware? by jove are you misinformed.

      also, i don't agree anyone would "suffer" nor that quebec's independance is a "folly".

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    7. "of course not. that's why the threshold for a winning referendum is set at 50%"
      51% is the threshold not 50%, according to some people anyway, much more if you take the clarity act into account. What I was saying however was only ~30%-40% believe in the merits of separation right now, if separation does occur due to ANBS and other people of the same thinking voting for separation just to see Quebec fail, while not actually believing it many people will suffer for it, specially those who will not be able to move when it happens.

      " i don't agree anyone would "suffer" nor that quebec's independance is a "folly"."
      Yes, well you don't think people should be able to pay for living on their own before moving out either, so I'm not really going to rely on your powers of forethought now am I? lol Everything will turn out for the best! How? I dunno! #Studentlogic

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    8. ""except for anectote of course"
      Someone has gotten under Student's skin lol"

      Lol whowazit...she hates me cause I keep reminding everyone of her broke-ass quebec label. It is only the truth after all, that the quebec label IS broke-ass. Highest taxed province with 250+ billion in the red! It don't get more broke ass than that. Furthermore, instead of dealing with REAL issues that affect ALL quebec citizens, the PQ opted to waste time drawing pictures of people with head attire on a cardboard and parading it around the province, making the charter a pretext for division, inventing a problem we never had..(again broke-ass label) because that head attire offends the sensitivities of certain pur-laine. Pur-laine sensitivities took precedence over creating employment, healthcare, the insurmountable debt, and 28,000 people fleeing the province. Yes drawing pictures to appease the seppies from quebec's backwater took priority over solving the real problems this province faces. How many jobs did Mme Marois and the PQ create in 18 months? 0, ZERO,0. 88 million $$, spent on an election which was not necessary, she is dragging us to another election, on our dime, because she was ahead in the polls...on a bloody hunch, she could suddenly win a majority. And if she is elected with a minority gov as before, and again she pulls ahead in the polls, is she going to drag us through another election? Chaaaaginggggg there goes another 88 million folks. Do you feel she and the PQ can be trusted not to be trivial and fickle? To the citizens of quebec, do you want to keep spending money you don't have because Mme Marois is given hunches by the crystal ball of Polls?

      To come back to the broke-ass quebec label, the seppies keep perpetuating civil liberty abuses but don't want the rest of the world to know about it. But I will keep reminding everyone that the quebec label is broke-ass and that it has no regard for its citizens, even those it makes a semblance of respecting. If they can screw over minorities, they can screw over EVERYBODY, you are damn foolish if you believe otherwise.

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    9. student: "by jove are you misinformed."
      Crikey, it's Talk like a Brit Day at No Dogs again. I love that and to think I almost missed it.student Wooster has shown up sprinkling 'mates' and 'by joves' around for a while, then she's off to the Drones Club for some bangers and mash followed up by some spotted dick. Good fun, wot? Leaving old Jeeves to write the essay, are you? Cracking idea! Give my best to Jacques Parizeau when you see him. Tally Ho!

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    10. @diogenes

      haha. you are funny! you should stick with comedy comments mate.

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    11. Student must be Drainville, probably picked up all those British-isms while over in England getting his BA and MA, Quebec Universities weren't good enough apparently, had to go to English ones! It makes sense too incoherent babbling nonsensical logic in support of the charter, repeating the PQ party line no matter one even if it makes no sense, it's all coming together.

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  9. 1. Yeah, sure. Now how are you going to enforce that, exactly? I mean, it'd be great, but I don't see how a "shut up" agreement is gonna work?

    2. How many rich people do you think settle for that quality of daycare? My household is in about the $250K bracket. When my kid was in day care, we paid $1200/month for her care at a completely unsubsidized facility. It never would have occurred to us to accept a worse environment to get $7/day care or free care or whatever; this is our CHILD. When you've improved public day care enough that it's actually attractive to that $150K lawyer, we can talk about restricting it. Otherwise you're just grandstanding.

    3. How about fixing the stupid idea that every job should require a university degree? Maybe require employers to demonstrate that they actually need the skills if they want to require the degree, instead of spending $200K on a crude way to prove that somebody can sit through 4 years of classes to show how dedicated they are? And please don't push any more incompetents who can't handle it into tech majors. We don't want to hire them in industry when you graduate them. I don't want bad engineers any more than I want bad violinists.

    5. And you thought selling off Hydro was politically impossible? But sure, if you can do it. Actually, if you can do THAT, how about if you don't even bother with the expensive disruption of the bureaucracy in Quebec city. If people want the luxury of living in the Gaspé, let them pay for it. If not, let them move to the jobs. If there aren't enough total jobs, figure out how to encourage creating them wherever it's convenient to create them, not to prop up some arbitrarily chosen region. Let some towns die; it's not the end of the world.

    6. I've spent a lot of time in large organizations. I've seen a lot of executives with big ideas decide they were too important to figure out what to cut, and institute ham-handed across-the-board cuts to show how decisive they were. It gets the budget down, all right, but you get a lot LESS with less, usually in ways the executive idiot isn't in touch enough to notice. It's a stupid, lazy strategy, and that's exactly the sort of thinking that makes government inefficient. No. Manage the government. You wanna cut, make some hard choices. And, yes, you should cut a lot of things.

    7. Get over the idea that you need to grow the population, period. To make that work, all you have to do is stop propping up services and infrastructure that a smaller population doesn't need. Again, let some towns die. Who cares?

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  10. I say sell Hydro Quebec and lets split the money. Who cares about the future generations. I sure the hell don't.

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  11. A registered candidate in the election has been refused the right the vote in the same election in which he is running, even though he brought along proof of having paid Quebec income taxes to prove this is his domicile. This time, he's taking legal action.

    Quebec Green Party candidate told he's not eligible to vote

    “Constitutional rights lawyer Julius Grey has already confirmed he is representing several others who have been kept off the voters list [and will] be filing an injunction with Quebec Superior Court next week.”

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  12. I read in the news that Montreal is crazy about the Jays exhibition games? What is that all about? Jays regular-season tickets are abundantly available, I can not understand that Montrealers let themselves get duped for games that mean nothing.

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    1. there's a lot of baseball fans in montreal. a jay's exhibition game is better than nothing for them. do you understand now troy?

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    2. Anonymous Buster of Shit ArgumentsSaturday, March 29, 2014 at 9:02:00 AM EDT

      Please excuse the seppie troll, Troy. IT does not understand that Montreal's supposed baseball fans are every bit as fickle with sports as they are with their politics. It's all about novelty - never about substance.

      If the troll had any inkling for history, IT would remember that near the end of their run, the Expos were bringing in about 8K fans per game, while the Yankees were bringing in 50K.

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    3. Quebec is becoming such a cultural and economic wasteland that people need to snap up any form of culture or sport that piety's this province enough to come here. Keeping your culture is fine, but if you can't pay to support it, it'll go away mighty quickly anyway.

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    4. @a bs argument

      montreal has enough baseball fans to fill up the stadium for the occasional exhibition game, but not to support a major leagues baseball team every night of the summer. i don't see anything wrong with this, do you?

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    5. Maybe my question for student is, if there are so many baseball fans in Montreal, and if Montreal is such a great city and Quebec is such a great province, why does Montreal not have its own baseball team? Why does it have to borrow from Toronto, a city student itself said as inferior to Montreal?

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    6. It's ironic that some Francophones would go watch the Jays play given their visceral hatred of Toronto. It's reminiscent of those who hate Americans but love shopping in Plattsburgh and Burlington or vacationing in Maine or Florida. Hypocrites.

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    7. " It's reminiscent of those who hate Americans but love shopping in Plattsburgh and Burlington or vacationing in Maine or Florida. Hypocrites."

      So SR's parents who have been living down in Florida for 3 years according to him? lol

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    8. @troy

      montreal has enough fans for the odd exhibition game. but not enough to support a major leagues team. this one is easy to understand troy. i can't imagine you still see something to bitch about here mate.

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    9. Student there's no need to repeat yourself twice, no one cared the first time.

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  13. I hope the editor is ready to write his next piece..the shocking meltdown of the Liberal party. I really think Couillard made a colossal mistake when he said that bilingualism is good and his story about the factory worker..this will cost him the election. Its true what he said but you dont say this in quebec..francophones are eternally terrified about their language..you must defend it all the time. Rookie mistake by Couillard and it will cost him big..

    Next time editor dont cheer to loudly especially when there is 2 weeks to go..the PQ are on their way to another win..

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    1. Complicated, what a schmuk you are. Your looking so hard to find something that would cause the Liberals to lose you leap at the thought that a simple truth might do it. you would put us all thru another four years of suffering under the Marois clan so you can gloat about how e shoul have voted for the CAQ. You want the PQ to win so you can go back to your stupid complaining about the CAQ being the best. Tell it to Legault he will tell everyone how speaking French only helped him. Ed

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  14. Complicated - That's why I've been saying, until we reach the actual day of the election, things can take an unexpected turn.

    Couillard really miscalculated here, this could be the Liberal's own version of the Peladeau blunder. The word "referendum" worries Quebec voters, but the words "English bilingualism" are absolutely positivity terrifying! He was attacked by all sides for bringing this up in the debate, the PQ, CAQ and QS leaders all jumped on him simultaneously like he just committed the ultimate blasphemy! If the PQ can hammer home the issue of language for the next week, maybe, just maybe, they'll regain their momentum.

    The irony is I agree with Couillard, in fact he should even go further and state Quebec should be made opened to the world and abolish the QOLF and this whole French versus English nonsense. That we're all Quebecers and all equal, regards of language or religion. But it's all about timing...you don't bring up something unpopular and controversial in the final week of a campaign, especially when you're strongly leading. It's called being too cocky. So the debate has gone from the charter, to a referendum, to now protection of the French language. The latter being the most sensitive and charged issue in this province for the past 40 years!

    Right now I see the door is starting to re-open for a PQ minority. Is there enough time for it to open wide enough for them to get in? Will it swing ALL the way open for a PQ majority? 11 days to go, let's see what happens....!

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    1. Apple, don't panic, Dr. Couilard has two ideasthat will lease the French. First by continuing bill 101 as is will make the Nationalist feel they are not losing anything. Second his plan to keep the OQLF will make the French happy. H e wants to use it to promote the proper use of the language, oral and written. They will also make it the center for French language in all French speaking countries of the world. It will make the Francos feel like world leaders.
      Also there is a lot of mothers who want their children to learn English. Ed

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    2. Ed - Panic? Panic? HAH, if Couillard's plan IS to uphold and support Bill 101, and let the OQLF keep their teeth and encourage them to bite with them too....well, "panic" is the wrong word for me. Cheer is more like it. Yep, I'll be cheering to see the Liberals sink and lose the election!

      Bill 101, much like Bill 14 and the Quebec Charter or Values, are dirty toilet paper, and should be treated as such. They're full of excrement and need to be discarded and flushed down the toilet, like the filthy and diseased things they are. Promote French, rubbish. Bill 101 is there to discriminate, hate and create division. Furthermore it is killing business and the economy in Montreal.

      The only way out is as far as I'm concern is let the PQ win and finish destroying this province; let them do as they please. Only once we reach rock bottom is there a chance of this province waking up. Or failing that, let them obtain the better goal of getting Quebec kicked out of Canada once and for all. Sadly though, whoever wins on April 7th, Quebec will be no better off and will continue to sink. That's why I still dream of the day I move out of this province and never look back!

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    3. Apple, your head is so full of hatred you are worse than anyone on the Party Quebecois. I made it clear that Dr..Couillard has no intention of letting the OQLF carry on their hatred but you had to twist my words because your thing is hatred and you can't envision our land and our lives without it.
      The only thing full of excrement here is you. So why don't you stop dreaming and just fuck off. The last thing we need is another rotten APPle. Ed

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    4. I am moving towards the thinking like apple ED. Enough is enough..with both the PQ and the Liberals. Lets have one more referendum..if it passes then we have SERIOUS negotiations with canada on everything including which regions stay in Canada. No more of this bs.

      I agree with what Couillard says but les Quebecois will not as they have been trained to be terrified of bilingualism. You must defend french all the time..it is always threatened and it is of the utmost importance hence a silly mistake by Couillard. I bet the CAQ jump 5 percentage points and the PQ jump a few all at the expense of the Liberals.

      ED the Liberals had 9 years to fix things again and they failed miserably. They are so tainted with corruption..they did so little for the economy..they added 60 billion to the debt..come on ED look at the facts..the Libs are incompetent.

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    5. If the momentum swings back to the PQ because the liberals are promoting bilingualism then quebec gets what it damn well deserves. Isolation and I agree with complicated - hold yet another referendum and let those areas vote Yes leave Canada. Cut this damn province up once and for all and let those idiots go their own way. None of us will survive Bill 14 and the Charter without huge problems so bring it all to a conclusion. Let's get negotiations underway and let them go!

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    6. @cutie003

      "None of us will survive Bill 14 and the Charter without huge problems..."

      what huge problems do you foresee for yourself cutie003? i don't see any.

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    7. student: "what huge problems do you foresee for yourself cutie003? i don't see any."
      Of course, that's probably because you're a myopic seppie troll who's largely against freedom of speech/expression and can't pull yourself away from your video games long enough to sit down and spend a few minutes to consider the long-term implications of those pieces of hate, er, "legislation".

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    8. @diogenes

      mate your previous comment here is empty. you don't give any examples of the huge problems foreseen by cutie003. what are the "long-term implications" of safeguarding french culture in quebec and institutionalizing secularity?

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    9. Complicated, I hesitate to use the word hate but I detest guys like you who make up false accusations against innocent people. You know damn well there has been nothing mentioned about corruption in the Liberal party. the only corruption attached to liberals was with Jean Chretien' scandal in 1995. Harper used it to get elected but it had nothing to don with the Quebec party. The accusations in Quebec were created by your sweetheart Legault because he knew the federal scandal was still in everyone's mind but instead of getting himself elected it got us the PQ instead. Until you can come up with some proof against the Libs try to be an honest person and remember innocent until proven guilty. You are doing exactly the same as Marois, telling lies. If you insist on doing that please join the other side or have you actually done that already? Ed

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    10. Ah Ed, you should heed the proverb "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones". If you want to talk about hate, below is the latest collection of your oh so colorful speeches about minorities. And for the record, my denouncing and spitting upon Bill 101, Bill 14 and the Charter of Values is not hate against people, however embracing these racist laws, IS. And I take offense at your latest comment about French Quebecers, you have no right to prejudge any individual based on who or what they were born.

      Here's what Ed thinks of minorities....

      -" 'When it is his job to take a certain 6 foot 6 inch black girl to court and she is screeching 'You ain't taking this fuckin nigger nowhere mister and if you lay a hand on me I'll tear your eyes out and scream rape'. it gets difficult."

      -"Ford is right the homosexuals are going to far. This in your face practice needs some boundaries. They are not more important thean the Olympicss. "

      -"You give Jews and humanity a bad name. You area money grubbing Jew."

      -[The French Quebecois] "As a race there' no question they are generally low I.Q. It's like dealing with a bunch of kids, we have to deal with their handicaps.Do we dis mentally challenged generally, because that's what they are.."

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  15. Langue française: la CSN et la FTQ critiquent Philippe Couillard

    http://tinyurl.com/q2gds25

    PQ: un test de français obligatoire dans les cégeps anglophones

    http://tinyurl.com/kzfj9du

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    1. "PQ: un test de français obligatoire dans les cégeps anglophones"

      She floated this dumb idea last election. There are already are two mandatory French courses in English CEGEP, wherein you have to pass tests to pass the course and graduate.

      Instituting a standardized French test in order for students to graduate from and English school kind of defeats the purpose of choosing to go to an English school, I assume that's the point of it from the PQ's side. I can see why she is no longer education minister lol.

      "Ainsi, dans un prochain mandat, un gouvernement péquiste obligerait les cégeps francophones à offrir des cours d'anglais."
      How come no one is claiming Pauline wants to destroy Quebec over this, sounds like she is proposing (shocked gasps) bilingualism? lol

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    2. @whowhatzit

      "Instituting a standardized French test in order for students to graduate from and English school kind of defeats the purpose of choosing to go to an English school."

      not at all. the purpose of an english school is to either get an education in your mother tongue for anglophones or get better in english for francophones. and it's not defeated by making sure anglophones get a minimum french standard to get by in quebec, and francophones don't lose too much of their grasp on french. do you understand now whomwhatzit?

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    3. "the purpose of an english school is to either get an education in your mother tongue for anglophones or get better in english for francophones."

      Yeah...so kind of defeats the purpose if at the end of it you're tested on a language you chose not to study in. Are you going to start applying this to Universities as well? Maybe start giving French majors English tests just to mess with them?

      "get a minimum french standard to get by in quebec"
      The English elementary system has French classes starting in grade 1, most schools have French immersion, then in CEGEP there are two French classes. Over their educational and social life Anglo students are more than enough exposed to French to be able to function in Quebec, to insinuate otherwise is simply yahoo pandering, it's not the 1970's.

      "it's not defeated by making sure anglophones get a minimum french standard to get by in quebec, and francophones don't lose too much of their grasp on french."
      I fail to see how instituting a mandatory French test will improve the level of French of anyone, but hey I guess it's another illogical solution to a non-existent problem from the PQ, reminds me a lot of the charter actually. Also lol to Francophones losing their "grasp" on French by going to an English CEGEP in Quebec, but a bunch of party line nonsense. The only thing that will happen is that students with language disabilities will not be able to graduate even though they are more than able to work in the trade (which does not require much if any language ability) that they have trained for in or students who have proven themselves in French in the past but simply freeze up or are not good at taking standardized tests or are exceptional at comprehension and verbal but not at written, will fail and be unable to graduate.

      If the PQ thinks French education is lacking in the English system fine, raise the quality of French education in English schools and allocate resources to that goal, all the better. But to do nothing to raise the standards or help students get there and then test them on it is pure idiocy.

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    4. @whowazit

      It seems chasing away 28,000 people in during her 18 month terror reign wasn't enough. It seems Mme Marois wants to outdo even that number if she gets in with a majority, with that proposal. Yes let's give her back power so she can continue to shrink the tax-paying base of this province! Bravoooo!

      It will just mean, less vacations, new cars, cigarettes, beer, LESS OF EVERYTHING, cause the taxes not paid by those who leave, will have to be paid by YOU..get it? That's unfortunately how it works, it's not rocket-science. But hey, we have to keep playing the language card and squeeze the most out of it! At the end of the day, she'll be squeezing the most out of YOU.

      Montréal pour une ville état...More than ever.

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  16. Dr. Couillard has been campaigning on Bilingualism all along. The fact that the other leaders just discovered this means nothing, the people have known it all along. We will hav a majority. Ed

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  17. “Editor, in the newspaper and your site, not a single analysis or update or even reprint of the voting in the areas. What are our safe ridings one by one?”

    If you want to see a map of how ridings voted in the last election:
    Quebec Votes 2012

    If you want information on the current election and to test your election knowledge:
    Quebec Votes 2014

    If you want detailed voting forecasts for the current election:
    ThreeHundredEight.com
    TooCloseToCall.ca (seems to redirect to JdM now)

    If you want to see the current voting projections (1st, 2nd, 3rd place) for your own specific riding:
    Ridings A-L
    Ridings L-Z

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    1. That by riding stuff is exactly what I was looking for.

      Seems my riding isn;t that safe this time. Knuckle draggers around in numbers.

      Thankfully Liberals are good at "Get Out The Vote".

      PQ supporters too inebriated to leave house after a bender when the "employment" cheque arrived.

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  18. Anonymous Buster of Shit ArgumentsSaturday, March 29, 2014 at 9:19:00 AM EDT

    I've long held that the reason the Charter of Values is so odious is that it applies to the most basic, primal thought patterns of Quebec's under-vote (which explains why voters such as SR and Student vaunt it so much). Here is a very balanced look: http://bit.ly/1i2EXnu

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    1. "So is the Charter in fact racist? From this perspective, yes, absolutely. And we should not be so shy about saying so."

      http://tinyurl.com/ky2cd57

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  19. Some of you have been saying that Couillard made a big mistake by saying bilingualism is an asset and not a threat, and that purebred Quebecers will jump on this. Stop being so cynical.

    Dr Couillard toured the whole province to speak to people from all regions. I heard he even stopped at my company. He certainly asked people what they thought of teaching English in French schools and I am extremely confident that the vast majority were in favour. I know this first-hand as I work with hundred of Quebecers. Perhaps the older ones (i.e. Baby Boomers from the René Levesque generation) are hesitant, but anyone under 40 wants his kids to be bilingual. I have been told so by colleagues from the Abitibi and Lac-st-Jean, even from separatists. Parents want what is best for their kids. Nobody wants to lose his culture, but nobody wants his kids to be imprisoned either.

    The best thing anyone of us can do here is to befriend our Francophone co-workers and show them we are not the devils Pauline paints us out to be. All you need to do is to make an effort to speak to them in French first and show them interest in their culture (there are plenty of great Francophone singers and plenty of excellent cinema Quebecois so no need to be hypocritical). The rest will fall into place.

    The Liberals will win because they are the best option. The PQ and CAQ will lose because they are buried in divisive politics of the past. And finally, Quebec, in its current state with its existing borders and population, will never, ever, ever separate. Even Pauline knows that...

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    1. "...and show them we are not the devils Pauline paints us out to be."

      when did pauline do this mate? pauline as an anglo torturer is actualy your painting mate.

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    2. Bill 14 was actually a love letter from Pauline, and the plan to bar anyone from politics without taking a French test was just her saying she cared. She loves non-francos she just has a funny way of showing it. #Studentlogic

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    3. @whowhatzit

      don't you think it's a good idea to make sure that elected officials in quebec province master the common language?

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    4. "don't you think it's a good idea to make sure that elected officials in quebec province master the common language?"
      Oh no my dear, her plan wasn't just for elected officials, "Failing to learn French would bar an immigrant (later expanded to all quebecers) from holding public office at any level, raising funds for political parties or petitioning the National Assembly for redress of a grievance."

      Now to answer your question, no I don't think the mayor of an Innuit town up north needs to know French. Do you believe all elected officials in Quebec master the common language of the country they live in, you know, English? I don't, if the citizens that elect them think they can do the job, they should be able to do it, any interference in that is very undemocratic.

      It's like the PQ wants to go out of their way to introduce garbage legislation that will be struck down by the courts. I don't think Pauline wanting to make two classes of citizen based on knowledge of French shows any sort of love for non-francophones.

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    5. MTL73
      You're thinking is clearly along the same lines as Dr Couillard. Scrapping bill101 would make the Francophones feel they had lost something they deserve by being the majority in a democracy. Keeping it as is will not hurt us. If we can't do this for pooour fellow citizens we are poor citizens ourselves. His plan to retain the OQLF is a master stroke. Making it a cultural center to promote properly spoken and written French is good for the English and the French and will help bring people together..- Ed

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    6. Ed - please continue to support the liberals if you wish but stop supporting Bill 101 - it is discriminatory, goes against the rights and freedoms of the population (therefore the Notwithstanding Clause use) has been condemned by the United Nations and any of us that are in our right minds in quebec (including the legal beagles). We know it's there and why it's there but no one, especially the francophones, deserve this bill. The bill removes their rights to educate their children in whatever language they chose. So talk as you may, you should not be supporting Bill 101 - none of us should!

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    7. CUTIE, When will you get it that this is a democratic province with a Francophone majority who have a need to feel the power of their voluminous superiority. They are not bright but they can count so they know very well they have the upper hand. I am not promoting bill 101. I rankly don't give a damn if stays or goes but Dr. Couillard feels it is necessary to appease the Nationalist MAJORITY and I will follow him.since he seems to know better than you what is best for Quebec.If he promotes 101, so will I. Ed
      Try to accept we are a minority who msut give in to the bullythat is stronger than us. No matter if wed feel we can fight ten men each, our vote only counts for one. Suck it up love, with a spoonful of sugar which comes from laughing it off. Ed,

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    8. Dr.Couillard made a colossal mistake when he said a factory worker needs to be bilingual..this will cost him the election. The next poll will show the PQ and CAQ gaining at the expense of the Liberals.
      One problem with this blog and with anglophones is they have no clue how most francophones feeel and whats important to them. Language is issue number one..more important than seperation..any leader in Quebec should know that no matter what you always defend the french language..you do not make statements about how great bilingualism is. Anglophones love this and we have no problem with this but francophones do..they feel their language is threatened and all the seperation talk and so on is from this fear.

      If Couillard had been smart he might have mentioned that a technical support person needs to be bilingual if they have clients from outside of Quebec. But why oh why did he mention a person on a factory floor..absolutely mind bogglingly stupid..he has the unions blasting him now..he has all the other parties..newspapers, the media..its going to cost him hugely.
      And this guy is supposed to be a brain surgeon..I think he left his brain at home during the debate.

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    9. @Complicated

      Really? Well it is that VERY thinking we need to cure then. This is 2014. Couillard never meant to suggest that a factory worker in Quebec NEEDS to be bilingual to work and do his job in quebec, he simply underlined that being bilingual is an asset, EVEN for a factory worker in quebec. It's like ....you can remove snow with a shovel, and get the job done, but a snow blower would facilitate the job ten-fold....a bit like that. That was the extent of what he meant to say. But the spin doctors were just waiting and hoping for the opportunity to tear him apart cause that is all they CAN do, pathetic little people. Suggesting a dishonest interpretation to what he said, with the sole purpose to discredit him was so so cheap.

      To be clear, I am not defending CouIlard, as far as I am concerned, they are all separatists of varying degrees, and it is in their DNA, which is why it is truly amusing to watch this theatre. But at least HE had the courage to admit that bilingualism carries its weight in the world and has its value, that was the extent of what he was saying, are people that ignorant to question it? Bilingualism may not be essential if you work for quebec civil service, or the STM or Hydro-Quebec, but it can certainly make your life easier in private Industry, I DARE ANYONE TO STATE DIFFERENTLY, it would be an absolute Lie.

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  20. 308.COM Still shows the Lierals in majority territory with 65 seats compared to 60 total for the other partiies combined. Ed

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    1. Uh ED..those numbers are based on polls taken before the debate. Before your rocket scientist Couillard said that factory workers need to be bilingual..the next numbers will be down. Legault also clearly won the debate hence his numbers will jump at the expense of the PQ hence we will talk about the numbers from the next poll tomorrow or Tuesday which will not be so flattering..

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    2. The above should read 'at the expense of the Liberals".

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    3. Maybe so but the elephant in the room has to be talked about and AnecTOTE is correct. If they take a bit of a hit by stating the obvious, so be it but now the union members won't know where to go - they turned against the PQ because of KPK and now they will turn against the liberals to vote for someone like Legault who will cut their jobs? They will probably go to the QS. Anyway, maybe a lot of those people will think of the future of their kids instead of themselves and make the right choice. We shall see.

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    4. I think they will tend to go to the PQ..the CAQ are too far down for anyone to waste their vote with them much to my chagrin.
      We all had an opportunity to elect a new party.one that would focus on the real problems but once again the anglos are falling back to their federalist cronies and many francophones to their seperatist cronies.

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  21. Holy shit... You made free education a right wing measure. I like it.
    Something I also propose for free education : make the corporations in need of these students to-be-workers pay a part of the bill by sponsorship and merchandizing.

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  22. http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/Bilingualism+puts+Couillard+defensive/9677223/story.html
    ""
    In the press release, the QFL mentioned a 1970 strike at a General Motors plant in Ste-Therese that resulted in major gains for their language rights. For three months, the factory’s 2,300 labourers went on strike and eventually earned the right to work in French. The work stoppage was one of the moments that inspired the creation of Bill 101.
    ""

    That's the same 2300 jobs that were lost when GM closed the plant down 20 years ago and sold the real estate off to become a shopping mall and faceless residential real estate.

    The labour union and Bill 101 "success" is actually a story of failure.

    Only a seppie can think that the location of the "important strike" is now decades closed is somehow a success. Only when you look at it for the 1 week after the union got what they wanted and Bill 101 passed.

    The day after that, the company started plotting it's long term exit. Now decades later the jobs are gone.

    Another unqualified seppies success story.

    http://globalnews.ca/news/1237863/quebec-leaders-weigh-in-on-electrolux-job-losses-in-lassomption/

    1300 jobs in seppie Assomption are gone by July 18.

    Good strategy the idiocy in the province.

    Another seppie success in Assomption!

    If only these workers had demanded to be more French their jobs might have been saved.

    Hahahahah Quebec logic.

    Electrolux better setup that new "head office" with 1 secretary in it so they can sell their vacuum cleaners here again. Pauline says everybody needs a head office in Quebec.

    Only through demanding more french rights can the situation in quebec be fixed! Whatever the problem. More French rights is the only appropriate fix.

    We understand that as a minority in a majorty the social peoples of Quebec bla bla bla

    Look at the jobs just flooding back.


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    1. Cebeuq,

      While you mention the loss of jobs outright by the relocation of the company, do not forget that there are also job losses when the companies do not officially move.

      My favorite subject is of course the Bank of Montreal. That organization officially never moves. Its legal headquarters remain at Place d'Armes. However, majority of its operations are conducted from here. So operations are here that BMO occupies the tallest building in Canada. Success story? In a way yes. At least that what Michel Patrice and student told me.

      There are a number of other examples. Bell, RBC, CN, Air Canada to name a few. All are headquartered in Montreal, all have more operations (and employment) in Toronto than in Montreal.

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    2. @ Cebeuq

      If I remember correctly the Feds and/or the province offered GM $400-$500 million to keep the plant open and GM refused their offer.

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    3. They just wanted the plant closed.

      They took way more then 400 million to stay open a few years ago. There is a reason they are now called Government Motors.

      It's just even with 400 million, Quebec workers are a nightmare. Imagine their bigest priorities are fighting for french on the assembly line.

      I saw one study years ago. 2 Automotive Parts Warehouses in the west Island.

      One unionized one not.

      The non union place picked twice as many parts with half as much time.

      Unionization is bad enough. Combined with militant racism, mafia overtones and outright laziness $400 million doesn;t fix much.

      New automotive plants are being opened in "right to work states".

      Certainly not in Ontario anymore. That just ended.

      Quebec? That ship sailed 30 years ago.

      Pauline husband company in partnership with PKP is going to sell us their line of electric cars. We're going to be exporting baby!

      Then we can demand the americans industrialist speak to US in French.

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    4. Remember back in 2011 Electrolux announcing they were closing their Quebec manufacturing plant in L'Assompition, eventually moving it to the States? I can't help but remember the video of a head office official giving a speech to the plant works.

      He got boos and jeers from dozens of works. Why? He was speaking ENGLISH. They were bellowing "En Francais!!! En Francais!!". And ironically they didn't even know it was about closing the plant and lay offs! All they cared about was that no one dared address them in English.

      Fast forward to today, the plant is set to finally close this July and 1,300 jobs will be lost:
      http://globalnews.ca/news/1237863/quebec-leaders-weigh-in-on-electrolux-job-losses-in-lassomption/

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    5. @apple iigs

      don't you think that a boss laying off people in a language they don't understand deserves boos?!? fascinating.

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    6. The most important part is loser francophones with language hangups are being kicked to the curb.

      The jobs will be given to people elsewhere in the world that appreciate having a job and working hard and arn;t distracted by endless nonsense.

      Quebec language issues are the ultimate "First world problem".

      Only once you have enough time to sit around and masturbate all day do you come up with these invented issues.

      Francophones in 10 years will be desperate for jobs they will have to trash all this nonsense anyway.

      It's just the decision needs to be taken away from them. They are children and cannot make decisions in their best interest. Their time horizon and understanding is from the Smurfs.

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  23. Anonymous Buster of Shit ArgumentsSaturday, March 29, 2014 at 12:04:00 PM EDT

    Now, seriously, does Marois and her PQ anti-strategists ever think?

    Every time they accuse the Libs of something, they're almost immediately found guilty of it themselves a short while later.

    Marois denigrated Couillard over his offshore investments...and now look what happened - it's been discovered that PKP has done much of the same.

    And let's not forget how very important integrity is to Marois. She sure enjoyed slinging mud at Phil, and then... http://bit.ly/O7i8pq

    Some free advice to the Parti Quebecois. We're now down to the final week of the election race. Stop slinging mud and start campaigning on PERTINENT issues. The next few days are your final chance, so learn from your mistakes and accept that the PQ is NOT the face of integrity and that you have quite a load of skeletons in your closet.

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  24. Dear Editor,

    I feel you should have posted all of your ideas for everything you´ve suggested would be a gigantic step forward for the future of quebec. The only thing your platform needs is a charismatic and head-strong leader to support these ideas. The post about political suicide does have some truth to it, though like any glitch in a system, it can be corrected. In your platfom, the biggest obstacle would be political and corporate support, this would call upon the head-strong attitude of the leader and perhaps an amount of give and take. As for voters, a mass majority would appreciate a party that offers practical and realistic ideas. Offer some implication to protect the french language and french identity as well as promise the english a similar proposal and with that, you would not be picking sides and would open the playing field. Finally, for the referendum, it is a treat to the prosperity of quebec and pray will never happen but an alternative needs to be offered. My suggestion, give quebec a new look, a ¨Make-over¨you might say and promote a new attitude for all quebecers to appreciate and live by. For the new look, how about a series of television shows or movies to help creat the look that would inspire pride and familiarity to all, based around things unique to quebec, a good example ¨Bon cop bad cop¨. How about insentives for quebecers to support local produce and quebec pride events.

    If someone out there would take these ideas seriously and take it upon themself to support them, it could save what might become of quebec. For comment, you may refer to me as ¨Doug and Deep¨, thank you for reading.

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  25. Once again I need help from our separatist posters here. S.R / Press 9, student, Y.L, Mohammed, please help me with French. What does this article mean?

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    1. the author denies that charest government was corrupted!!! great find troy. what a bad columnist. she needed to be outed.

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    2. Ah, thank you . Now I know that:

      "Chose certaine, Pauline Marois ne pouvait aller plus loin dans ses efforts pour rassurer l'électorat non souverainiste: un peu plus, et elle s'engageait à rayer l'article 1 du programme du PQ!"

      according to student means:

      "I deny that the Charest Government was corrupt."

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    3. Hmm I'm starting to think Student can't read French either because that's not what the article is about, very odd.

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    4. Anonymous Buster of Shit ArgumentsSaturday, March 29, 2014 at 2:36:00 PM EDT

      I find it ironic how many separatists can read or write French, yet fight so ardently to "protect" it.

      Just follow the tags #PQ and #QC2014 on Twitter and see for yourselves. The typos and grammatical errors committed by the supposed "lovers of French" are just downright atrocious.

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    5. Maybe they can read La Press and find out just how corrupt their idols the PQ are. Illegal funding for their party - Again, I'm so shocked. And this printed by a separatist newspaper. How they can keep bring up the liberal(s) and no proof as yet yet fail to see how corrupt the PQ are, is testament to their complete and utter brain-washing.

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    6. Cutie003,

      La Presse (and Le Droit where you live) is part of Gesca, part of Power Corporation, Desmarais family-owned holdings. Therefore, it is not considered "separatist newspaper" as the Demarais family is considered as strong federalist. While the content is rather high-level and the tone very serious, Le Devoir is the openly separatist newspaper. Le Journal de Montreal is on the other end, it is closer to tabloid than newspaper. It is mildly separatist, but since it is part of Quebecor it finds itself in a unique position this campaign between fair journalism or supporting their owner.

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    7. Thank you Troy - I guess I'm rather used to seeing everything as separatist in this province except for The Gazette and even then sometimes I wonder. Was getting Le Droit and Le Devoir mixed up - must keep the difference in mind. Surprised you corrected me and not one of usual trolls - lol

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    8. haha troy, good one!! you got me..

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    9. haha troy! you are funny!

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    10. "Maybe they can read La Press (...) a separatist newspaper."

      haha. you are funny too cutie003. but in a sad way. no wonder your opinions are so shite.

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  26. I am sorry, I have to post this. It is simply too funny to pass.

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  27. I got an automated call yesterday from Ekos doing one of their polls on political views and voting intentions. Now, I usually respond with a lot of random, inconsistent answers because I figure it's none of their business, but the one I did answer honestly was essentially asking about Quebec and whether I wanted '1',the status quo, or '2', I wanted them to leave, so I went for "2".
    Working for you, seppies. I hope you appreciate it.

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  28. Let the seppie trolls make up excuses for this and tell us why the PQ get preferential treatment if the A$$holes are not influencing the police and the "impartial" corruption investigation that goes on in quebec. What a place!

    http://goo.gl/zsbJ7z

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  29. To clarify how corruption is created .... in 2013 the Liberals were accused of hiding$ 224,000. from a fund raising event. The money was handled by Eric Bibeau and the money never showed up in The Libs books. Marois sernt QPP to Couillard home at six in the morning with sirens and flashing lights to make it look like he was being investigated. At the same time UPAC raided the Liberal offices and sure enough the money was not entered in the books. It took them only a few moments to find this out since surprisingly they already knew that. The money of course was not in the books because it never got to the Liberal party. Eric Bibeau, who was touted s a chief Liberal fund raiser it turned out was a friend of Legault who probably set the whole thing up with the cooperation of Marois. Legault hated Couillard who replaced him as Minister of Health when the Liberals won the election. Couillard added 50 million to the Health budget and stopped smoking in public places.at that
    time.This is the corruption that Complicated and Apple love to tout Ed
    the election. .

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    1. lol - each day brings a new revelation against the PQ - I love it - well seppies?

      http://goo.gl/23Vee6

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    2. ED - Who was running this province when all the rampant corruption was ongoing as per the Charbonneau commission?

      If you think a) the Liberals had no idea what was going on then you are a very naive person, blinded by your loyalty to the Liberals or we have to accept that the Liberals must have been the only people around who didnt know what was going on which to me spells total incompetence.

      b) The Liberals knews what was going on but chose to do NOTHING about..is just as damning as far as I am concerned.

      c) The Liberals knew what was going on and were participating in the wrongdoing..

      In either case they fail. So stop sticking your head in the sand ED..there are very good reasons why most Quebecers dont trust the Liberals. They had 9 years to change things yet again and nothing changed for the better,..they added 60 billion to the debt..they were in power when rampant corruption was going on..they mishandled the student uprising..they did nothing concrete for the anglophone population and on and on.

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    3. @complicated

      ed is plainly making stuff up. it's so gross that he has no hope of kidding anyone i'm afraid. pathetic babbles of a fainting brainwashed soul. don't you agree?

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    4. ed is plainly making stuff up. it's so gross that he has no hope of kidding anyone i'm afraid. pathetic babbles of a fainting brainwashed soul. don't you agree?

      Oh the irony of it all.

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  30. Quebec Solidaire launches English site: http://whyqs.net/

    Quebec Solidaire realize that English rules!

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    1. Damn these seppies are such hypocrites it makes one wonder if they are sane.

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    2. And I noticed that Popo is speaking a lot more in English during this election campaign and her English is better now than it was before.

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  31. Some things in life are better left unsaid.
    Talking about a pointless and divisive issue serves no purpose. Maybe in the future, but certainly not now.
    Discussions about not having a referendum are as pointless and as painful as discussing about having a referendum.


    Sweeping reality under the rug, or rather, shrouding and window-dressing them, is the root cause of this.
    Consider Durham's eloquent observation on the ironies of hypocrisy:

    The grounds of quarrel which are commonly alleged, appear, on investigation, to have little to do with its real cause; and the inquirer, who has imagined that the public demonstrations or professions of the parties have put him in possession of their real motives and designs, is surprised to find, upon nearer observation, how much he has been deceived by the false colours under which they have been in the habit of fighting. It is not, indeed, surprising, that each party should, in this instance, have practised more than the usual frauds of language, by which factions, in every country, seek to secure the sympathy of other communities. A quarrel based on the mere ground of national animosity, appears so revolting to the notions of good sense and charity prevalent in the civilized world, that the parties who feel such a passion the most strongly, and indulge it the most openly, are at great pains to class themselves under any denominations but those which would correctly designate their objects and feelings. The French Canadians have attempted to shroud their hostility to the influence of English emigration, and the introduction of British institutions, under the guise of warfare against the Government and its supporters, whom they represented to be a small knot of corrupt and insolent dependents; being a majority, they have invoked the principles of popular control and democracy, and appealed with no little effect to the sympathy of liberal politicians in every quarter of the world. The English, finding their opponents in collision with the Government, have raised the cry of loyalty and attachment to British connexion, and denounced the republican designs of the French, whom they designate, or rather used to designate, by the appellation of Radicals. Thus the French have been viewed as a democratic party, contending for reform; and the English as a conservative minority, protecting the menaced connexion with the British Crown, and the supreme authority of the Empire. There is truth in this notion in so far as respects the means by which each party sought to carry its own views of Government into effect. The French majority asserted the most democratic doctrines of the rights of a numerical majority. The English minority availed itself of the protection of the prerogative, and allied itself with all those of the colonial institutions which enabled the few to resist the will of the many. But when we look to the objects of each party, the analogy to our own politics seems to be lost, if not actually reversed; the French appear to have used their democratic arms for conservative purposes, rather than those of liberal and enlightened movement; and the sympathies of the friends of reform are naturally enlisted on the side of sound amelioration which the English minority in vain attempted to introduce into the antiquated laws of the Province.

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    1. The sovereignty debate reminds me of a caged hamster running on a treadmill, a lot of effort and distraction expended on nothing.

      Durham again (sorry for the long and direct quote again, but it's pretty eerie to be reading -- AND LIVING -- this over 175 years later):

      It is melancholy to think of the opportunities of good legislation which were sacrificed in this mere contest for power. No country in the world ever demanded from a paternal government, or patriotic representatives, more unceasing and vigorous reforms, both of its laws and its administrative system. Lower Canada had, when we received it at the conquest, two institutions, which alone preserved the semblance of order and civilization in the community,—the Catholic church and the militia, which was so constituted and used, as partially to supply the want of better civil institutions. The beneficial influence of the Catholic church has been cramped and weakened; the militia is now annihilated, and years must elapse ere it can be revived and used to any good purpose. Lower Canada remains without municipal institutions of local self-government, which are the foundations of Anglo-Saxon freedom and civilization; nor is their absence compensated by any thing like the centralization of France. The most defective judicial institutions remain unreformed. Alone, among the nations that have sprung from the French, Lower Canada remains under the unchanged civil laws of ancient France. Alone, among the nations of the American Continent, it is without a public system of education. Nor has it, in other respects, caught the spirit of American progress. While the Assembly was wasting the surplus revenues of the Province in jobs for the increase of patronage, and in petty peddling in parochial business, it left untouched those vast and easy means of communication which deserved, and would have repaid the application of the provincial revenues. The state of New York made its own St. Lawrence from Lake Erie to the Hudson, while the Government of Lower Canada could not achieve, or even attempt, the few miles of canal and dredging which would have rendered its mighty rivers navigable almost I to their sources. The time which should have been devoted to wise legislation, was spent in a contest for power between the executive and the people, which a wise executive would have stopped at the outset, by submitting to a legitimate responsibility, and which a wise people would have ceased to press when it had virtually attained its end. This collision, and the defective constitution were, in conjunction with the quarrel of the races, the causes of the mischiefs which I have detailed. It will be a ground, I trust, of permanent congratulation, that the contest terminated in the destruction of the impracticable constitution, which caused the strife; nor can I conceive any course of conduct which could so effectually have destroyed the previous system of mismanagement, and cleared the ground for future improvement, as that continued stoppage of supplies which the Assembly in its intemperance effected. It broke down at once the whole of that vicious appropriation of public funds, which was the great bane of provincial legislation, and has left the abuses of the Colony so long unfed, that a reforming Government may hereafter work upon an unencumbered soil.

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    2. No. 4 - Re-vamp Hydro-Quebec and eliminate political interference
      No. 5 - No More Jobs for the boys


      Durham again. Making requisite substitutions in vocabulary:

      Even the municipal institutions of the northern States of the American Union have not entirely superseded the necessity of some interference on the part of their legislatures in aid of local improvements; though the main efforts of those States have been directed to those vast undertakings which are the common concern and the common glory of their citizens. In the southern States, where municipal institutions are less complete, the legislatures are in the habit of taking part more constantly and extensively in works which are properly of mere local interest; and great complaints are made of consequent corruption and mismanagement. But in the British Colonies, in none of which is there any effectual system of municipal government, the evil has been carried to the greatest height, and exercises the most noxious influence, The great business of the assemblies is, literally, parish business; the making parish roads and parish bridges. There are in none of these Provinces any local bodies possessing authority to impose local assessments, for the management of local affairs. To do these things is the business of the Assembly; and to induce the Assembly to attend to the particular interests of each county, is the especial business of its county member. The surplus revenue of the Province is swelled to as large an amount as possible, by cutting down the payment of public services to as low a scale as possible; and the real duties of government are, sometimes, insufficiently provided for, in order that more may be left to be divided among the constituent bodies. 'When we want a bridge, we take a judge to build it,' was the quaint and forcible way in which a member of a provincial legislature described the tendency to retrench, in the most necessary departments of the public service, in order to satisfy the demands for local works. This fund is voted by the Assembly on the motion of its members; the necessity of obtaining the previous consent of the Crown to money votes never having been adopted by the Colonial Legislatures from the practice of the British House of Commons. There is a perfect scramble among the whole body to get as much as possible of this fund for their respective constituents; cabals are formed, by which the different members mutually play into each other's hands; general politics are made to bear on private business, and private business on general politics; and at the close of the parliament, the member who has succeeded in securing the largest portion of the prize for his constituents, renders an easy account of his stewardship, with confident assurance of re-election.

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    3. No. 3 - Free University Education
      [...] making education free would be a wonderful opportunity to create a new social contract in education, one where students have to study and where teachers would have to teach...a novel idea in Quebec.


      But the most bold and extensive attempt for erecting a system of patronage, wholly independent of the Government, was that which was, for some time, carried into effect by the grants for education made by the Assembly, and regulated by the Act, which the Legislative Council has been most bitterly reproached with refusing to renew. It has been stated, as a proof of the deliberate ntention of the Legislative Council to crush every attempt to civilize and elevate the great mass of the people, that it thus stopped at once the working of about 1,000 schools, and deprived of education no less than 40,000 scholars, who were actually profiting by the means of instruction thus placed within their reach. But the reasons which induced, or rather compelled, the Legislative Council to stop this system, are clearly stated in the Report of that body, which contains the most unanswerable justification of the course which it pursued. By that it appears, that the whole superintendence and patronage of these schools had, by the expired law, been vested in the hands of the county Members; and that they had been allowed to manage the funds, without even the semblance of sufficient accountability. The Members of the Assembly had thus a patronage, in this single department, of about 25,000l. per annum, an amount equal to half of the whole ordinary civil expenditure of the Province. They were not slow in profiting by the occasion thus placed in their hands; and as there existed in the Province no sufficient supply of competent schoolmasters and mistresses, they nevertheless immediately filled up the appointments with persons who were utterly and obviously incompetent. A great proportion of the teachers could neither read nor write. The gentleman whom I directed to inquire into the state of education in the Province, showed me a petition from certain schoolmasters, which had come into his hands; and the majority of the signatures were those of marksmen. These ignorant teachers could convey no useful instruction to their pupils; the utmost amount which they taught them was to say the Catechism by rote. Even within seven miles of Montreal, there was a schoolmistress thus unqualified. These appointments were, as might have been expected, jobbed by the members among their political partisans; nor were the funds very honestly managed. In many cases the members were suspected, or accused, of misapplying them to their own use; and in the case of Beauharnois, where the seigneur, Mr. Ellice, has, in the same spirit of judicious liberality by which his whole management of that extensive property has been marked, contributed most largely towards the education of his tenants, the school funds were proved to have been misappropriated by the county member. The whole system was a gross political abuse; and however laudable we must hold the exertions of those who really laboured to relieve their country from the reproach of being the least furnished with the means of education of any on the North American continent, the more severely must we condemn those who sacrificed this noble end, and perverted ample means to serve the purposes of party

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    4. No. 6 - Do more with less
      Freeze government hiring for five years and let the civil-service attrit naturally through retirement. Governments grow because they can, not because they need to.

      Consider this one as actually being reversed, in modern Quebec, from Durham's observation, at least in a linguistic sense (with French and English swapped). Yet at the same time, I can't help but contemplate how a lot of what he says about the privileged positions of many in the higher echelons of our civil service, as well as the absence of allophones and other "autres", is echoed in our present situation (consider the Secularism/Values charter)...

      The functionaries of the civil government, together with the officers of the army, composed a kind of privileged class, occupying the first place in the community, and excluding the higher class of the natives from society, as well as from the government of their own country. It was not till within a very few years, as was testified by persons who had seen much of the country, that this society of civil and military functionaries ceased to exhibit towards the higher order of Canadians an exclusiveness of demeanor, which was more revolting to a sensitive and polite people than the monopoly of power and profit; nor was this national favoritism discontinued, until after repeated complaints and an angry contest, which had excited passions that concession could not allay. The races had become enemies ere a tardy justice was extorted; and even then the Government discovered a mode of distributing its patronage among the Canadians, which was quite as offensive to that people as their previous exclusion.

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    5. No. 7 - Encourage bigger families
      Quebec could freeze it's identity as is and this within just one generation!

      Also you speak of a tax break to those who have multiple children. So keep the women pregnant and the demographic proportions where they are, all while incentivizing us with only the structural means by which to respond to this end...?

      Hmm... let's see what Durham observed about that one...


      The institutions of France, during the period of the colonization of Canada, were, perhaps, more than those of any other European nation, calculated to repress the intelligence and freedom of the great mass of the people. These institutions followed the Canadian colonist across the Atlantic. The same central, ill-organized, unimproving and repressive despotism extended over him. [...] He obtained his land on a tenure singularly calculated to promote his immediate comfort, and to check his desire to better his condition; he was placed at once in a life of constant and unvarying labour, of great material comfort, and feudal dependence. The ecclesiastical authority to which he had been accustomed established its institutions around him, and the priest continued to exercise over him his ancient influence. No general provision was made for education; and, as its necessity was not appreciated, the colonist made no attempt to repair the negligence of his government. It need not surprise us that, under such circumstances, a race of men habituated to the incessant labour of a rude and unskilled agriculture, and habitually fond of social enjoyments, congregated together in rural communities, occupying portions of the wholly unappropriated soil, sufficient to provide each family with material comforts, far beyond their ancient means, or almost their conceptions; that they made little advance beyond the first progress in comfort, which the bounty of the soil absolutely forced upon them; that under the same institutions they remained the same uninstructed, inactive, unprogressive people. Along the alluvial banks of the St. Lawrence, and its tributaries, they have cleared two or three strips of land, cultivated them in the worst method of small farming, and established a series of continuous villages, which give the country of the seignories the appearance of a never-ending street. [...] The mass of the community exhibited in the New World the characteristics of the peasantry of Europe. Society was dense; and even the wants and the poverty which the pressure of population occasions in the Old World, became not to be wholly unknown. They clung to ancient prejudices, ancient customs and ancient laws, not from any strong sense of their beneficial effects, but with the unreasoning tenacity of an uneducated and unprogressive people. Nor were they wanting in the virtues of a simple and industrious life, or in those which common consent attributes to the nation from which they spring. [...] The higher classes, and the inhabitants of the towns, have adopted some English customs and feelings; but the continued negligence of the British Government left the mass of the people without any of the institutions which would have elevated them in freedom and civilization. It has left them without the education and without the institutions of local self-government, that would have assimilated their character and habits, in the easiest and best way, to those of the Empire of which they became a part. They remain an old and stationary society, in a new and progressive world. In all essentials they are still French; but French in every respect dissimilar to those of France in the present day. They resemble rather the French of the provinces under the old regime.

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    6. Don't know if this applies to Quebec, but it reminds me of a scene I saw in Fast Five by Brasilian actor Joaquim de Almeida:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OucccI1pcFw

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    7. Apparatchik never posted gigantic walls of paragraphless text like this before. O que aconteceu com você?

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    8. I can't help it if Lord Durham wrote in 19th century paragraphless style. In fact, living in an era where English teachers admonish their students for writing anything more than three sentences without producing a horizontal space, I'm sure it might not read so well.

      Although I believe Durham's report is often wrongly maligned -- starting from Papineau's very own rebuttal of it -- I posted those sections as a result of a personal contemplation. Specifically, I was struck by how the situation and problems underlying the various points enumerated by Editor to "fix" our province today are not much changed from their situation in the 1839 when the report was penned.

      While the notions of precisely who is "French" or "English" have shifted with the sands of time, and "loyalty and attachment to British connexion" likewise has more to do now with a vague affinity to the social, economic, cultural, and political underpinnings of perhaps some Anglo-American-inspired Medusa, I'm struck by how little else has seriously changed. Absent the obvious (relatively recent) eradication of much of the "English" domination in business and the legislature to which Durham refers in his report, most of his remaining (and rather eloquent) observations on patronage, frustration, economic dysfunction, ideology, demographic insecurities, stagnation, hell-raisers, and ongoing cultural hostility wouldn't simply be recognizable to a time traveler from his time and certainly to Durham himself. The sad part is that they'd be scarcely different today. In my view, Durham has been far too vilified by the separatists and ignored by the federalists; the former choosing to hold a perpetual grudge and failing to accept the spirit and circumstances under which he appeals for French-Canadian assimilation, and the latter utterly incapable of articulating, let alone proposing serious, universal, and lasting policies that could extinguish the flames of hatred. Both sides have shown and continue to display culpable negligence in their refusal to heed the descriptive and nuanced kernels of analysis contained within the report itself.

      The part of Editor's post that resonated with me, and which served as impetus to my arguably maniacal copy-pasting, was his comment about our tendency toward ruinous waste of energy on arguments that are of no use. It's not so much that I don't realize the importance of two competing energies. It's that I believe competing ideologies in a society should be more productive than they are destructive. And that there's a huge difference between creative disruption and destructive tension.

      And when I imagine both what could have been, and what could be, I'm about as hopeful as I am resigned.

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    9. APPARATCHIK,
      REALLY, "Durham again (sorry for the long and direct quote again, but it's pretty eerie to be reading -- AND LIVING -- this over 175 years later):
      I don't believe you were actually there. Ed

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  32. EDITOR, I have read your post thoroughly and agree with all of it. I have much to comment on it but right now I'm most interested in winning the election. I am campaigning in Verdun through places like community centers, Churches and the schools. i haave lost much time in Hospital this month but I'm back at it full time until we get the gold. Ed

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  33. Ohhhhhh OH! Looks like PKP did exactly what the PQ has accused Couillard of doing, sticking monies in tax havens, except that Couillard has provided proof that what he did was legal and above board. Let's see if PKP will provide proof his were legal too. LOL

    Now Legault has also disclosed his worth. And Mme Marois has disclosed hers too. BUT we all want to know why she is refusing to disclose her husband's ....that would certainly clear up questions around the Blanchet/FTQ affair. Why won't she do it I wonder? Lol

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  34. Anonymous Buster of Shit ArgumentsSunday, March 30, 2014 at 9:09:00 AM EDT

    Marois might not be keen on stating her intentions for a referendum in a debate or news interview, however, after a couple sips of Chardonnay, she has quite a different discour: http://bit.ly/1e0JJ2w

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    1. you mean this quote?

      "Ici ce soir nous sommes réunis autour de cette idée merveilleuse de faire du Québec un pays."

      how is this different from what she said in debates and interviews?

      i think you're wrong again.

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    2. Shh Student what are you doing? Pauline doesn't want to to bring up separation and referendum talk, they're embarrassed about it, gotta keep it hush hush, don't want to lose votes now! We can only say the R or S words during PQ parties. lol

      "En matière d’éducation nous sommes les meilleurs de la planète.»"
      I found that funny, guess Desjardins didn't see the High School graduation rates lately.

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  35. Sur la piste des éléphants de Philippe Couillard

    http://tinyurl.com/mh3m2ce

    Excellent résumé...Quel homme malhonnête.

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      Let's talk about the trail of elephants on the path of Monsieur Blanchet, and his friend Monsieur PKP, ...Shall we?

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    2. More like the trail of tears for those two!

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    3. @montreal ville-état

      i don't understand your argument. to an accusation of dishonesty you respond by accusing someone else of the same?!? if you don't fight the actual arguments proposed by press 9, is it that you agree with them? thanks.

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    4. If we are going to discuss people lack of honesty, then let's discuss EVERYONE's, if that is what we are doing, not just who we deem convenient to justify our twisted bias, which is what you moron do.
      You guys are a -20 for objectivity, when it comes to any political party, in this province but especially the one you support. That is why whatever point you try to make or so called argument you put forth, to substantiate the garbage you post, is devoid of any credibility. But unlike you, we call people on their shit, we spare no one.

      You are a sham, trolls, pure Smegma. Now get lost.

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  36. More proof that Janette Bertrand has lost the plot:

    "To illustrate her point, she told a story about a time when two men arrived at the pool at her Montreal apartment building, where she does aquafit classes.
    She said the men were upset at the sight two women in the water.
    "Let us then imagine those men go see the owner, who is happy to have rich McGill students at this pool and agrees to have a day (where women aren’t allowed), she continued.
    “And then in a few months, only they can use the pool. Well that's it, the chipping away at rights that's we’re scared of and that's what will happen if there is no charter,” Bertrand said."

    So two people were upset, then nothing happened. In her mind two men were upset and society falls apart, wow. I wonder what her thoughts are on curves the woman only gym? Pretty sure that has nothing to do with religion but an awful lot of gender discrimination going on, where's the outrage? lol

    Add this incident on to her other choice quote http://tinyurl.com/ll4xz8k

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    1. http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1752890

      Pauline doesn't think Bertrand's senile paranoid ramblings are irresponsible. Then refuses to say if she supports or rejects the Rich McGill student's taking away pools from women hypothetical story. First the Kosher tax, baptism equals rape, the dropped candidate and now this, the PQ is certainly surrounding itself with a certain type of person, it's certainly getting harder and harder for the PQ to say they have nothing against minorities.

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    3. Oh, so Janette Bertrand is worried about having her rights “chipped away”… something like Bill 101, Bill 14 and Bill 60 do, perhaps?

      Janette Bertrand warns that ‘rich McGill students’ threaten Quebec women's rights

      She’s getting carried away with her hypothetical scenarios. Meanwhile:
      “At a press conference, Marois refused to dissociate herself from these remarks while implying that vote for Couillard is a vote for Sharia law.”

      The PQ is pretty desperately trying to get the charter back on the front burner one week before the election.

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    4. The funny thing is how the PQ think a 89 year old actor is relevant to anyone except the "drummondville set" from the 1950's.

      The 89 year old won;t be around much longer to live in the poisonous Quebec that she dreams of inflicting on Montreal.

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    5. Putting aside how ridiculous and offensive Janette's fictional story was, let's pretend we operate on PQ level of fear mongering and unlikely hypothetical situations we have to guard against. The best part is that the Charter would do nothing to prevent such a situation, the charter only applies to public institutions and the situation would be resolved, as it already would be without the charter, by the Quebec Human rights commission. Bertrand should change her name to Carrion.

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    6. “The best part is that the Charter would do nothing to prevent such a situation, the charter only applies to public institutions and the situation would be resolved, as it already would be without the charter, by the Quebec Human rights commission.”

      Exactly! How can it be that pequistes do not understand this simple fact?

      But as Dan Delmar says, if she doesn’t declare her senility, she’s fair game.

      She’s being mocked on YouTube as well:
      Janette Bertrand defends the importance of the charter

      Typical comments from the CTV website:
      Dominic: Alarmist examples conjured up by Janette Bertrand are typical of the PQ mentality and anglophobes! There are already laws in place to combat the type of gender discrimination raised by Janette. Moreover, such incidents discriminating against women may happen, even if the PQ charter of intolerance were passed in the current form! This is exagerated fear mongering to consolidate support for the charter of intolerance and amounts to pathetic methods to suppress minority rights! It is, indeed, hypocritical of the PQ to accuse the Liberals of fear mongering with regards to the probability or certainty of another referendum with a PQ majority? Mr. Couillard should quickly address, in black and white, the fear mongering issue with regards to the referendum and the charter of values.
      New name: Hypothetical situations based on non-existing problems is the very best the PQ has to offer. Was Janette ever elected? Should we be heeding the advice of bigoted fools? Apparently the PQ do.
      Frank: Is this woman senile-What do pools and McGill students have do with each other-Obvious anti-english and anti-ethnic rant typical of PQ supporters
      Nathalie: The thing is.. is that let’s say I agreed with their fear of an islamic take over… LET’S SAY… This charter of "values" wouldn't even solve the problem that they're putting in their heads! It makes no sense! It enrages the normal population because of the obvious human right violations and it doesn't even solve the issues that the antisemetic population fear. How does restricting their employment restrict them from making little demands?

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  37. Ville etat said "To be clear, I am not defending CouIlard, as far as I am concerned, they are all separatists of varying degrees, and it is in their DNA, which is why it is truly amusing to watch this theatre. But at least HE had the courage to admit that bilingualism carries its weight in the world and has its value, that was the extent of what he was saying, are people that ignorant to question it? Bilingualism may not be essential if you work for quebec civil service, or the STM or Hydro-Quebec, but it can certainly make your life easier in private Industry, I DARE ANYONE TO STATE DIFFERENTLY, it would be an absolute Lie."


    I agree with what he said..of course everyone on this blog except SR and YL agree with what he said. The point is that most francophones in Quebec do not and will not tolerate a leader who is even the least bit lenient on not enforcing french as the primary language. So the real point is the effect of his silly statement on his chances of winning..I think this faux-pas was a killer..mark my words..the Liberals are going to drop in the next poll tomorrow or on Tuesday.

    We..anglophones..can whine all we want..but the bottom line is that if you want to win an election in Quebec you have GOT to be a strong defender of french even if you dont really believe it.

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    1. "...if you want to win an election in Quebec you have GOT to be a strong defender of french even if you dont really believe it."

      true, but believing it is even better.

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    2. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTSunday, March 30, 2014 at 4:29:00 PM EDT

      @student
      You are a typical quebecois. You feel important & eloquent by speaking english a la Jacques Parizeau here, to include the proverbial "mate" that even Aussies stopped using 10 years ago. You also waste your time here in a useless effort to convince anglos that quebec separatism is a win-win. What a joke.
      You better start canvassing and knock on doors in Liberal strongholds to make your case for a PQ win soonest, mate.
      BTW, quebecois are not a proud enough people to vote confidently for independence. Canada will soon say enough of you clowns and will vote to kick you morons out. The first overwhelming YES referendum. LOL.

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    3. Va manger un Strudel chez Tim Hartunz

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    4. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTSunday, March 30, 2014 at 5:12:00 PM EDT

      @Press couilles
      Un autre mandat liberal pour les prochains quatres annees te fera le plus grand bien, mon bien petit quebecois...
      Quand t'es ne pour un petit pain...
      Psss... tu peux toujours t'indigner que le mechant federal imposera un futur pont a payage a Montreal.

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  38. "....but the bottom line is that if you want to win an election in Quebec you have GOT to be a strong defender of french even if you dont really believe it."

    And that is why as a society, quebec will never evolve. It is this unwillingness to see and face reality for what it is and act on it, that is keeps us backward. Let's keep relying on the insecurity of language to have an excuse to be lazy and stay in the mediocrity and limbo we are in as a province (hence my insistence on Montreal becoming a city state and distancing itself from the roq). Lip-service is King after all, even if it defends a stance that keeps this crummy province in the 1970's.

    Real Leaders are not afraid to say the truth, and tell us to our faces what we need to do to forge ahead. Parrots will mimic and repeat what everyone wants to hear to make the voters feel better. Oh yeah, let's go squeeze, kiss ass and hug that sweet middle that will get us elected, just cause we want to ascend to power, how fuckinhgggggggg mediocre and ordinary.

    I want someone who is not afraid to Lead, and all that Leading entails, and many times this means disclosing the awful truth. The stringent Language Laws specifically, have hurt this province and my city. Too bloody bad if none of you want to hear it, it is the fucking truth. Now grow up, it ain't 1970 anymore. Bilingualism is a PLUS and that is ALL Couillard was insinuating. He is as much pur-laine as any of you, just smart enough to see things for what they are. English is an absolute must if you work in the private sector in this province and if you say it isn't so, you are lying. I, personally, am the ONLY officially bilingual person in our office, the rest are unilingual French. I cannot tell you the times I am asked to help with a English letter, interpret an English email, or sit through a conference call to decipher the nuances of what our American colleagues are saying, which I am often happy to do, since I feel I am helping out my fellow co-worker, who I like, not to mention saving their asses, but their ineptness is a waste of my time and a drain on our company. So pleaseeee don't freakin pretend that English isn't important, and bilingualism isn't valuable EVEN in Quebec, particularly in the commercial sector, cause it is an outright Lie.

    THAT...is what, pur-laine, French Canadian, Quebec, Couillard ...was getting at. If that admission costs him the election, you people out there who will be responsible for it ...are the epitome of shear ignorance and the rest of us DO NOT want to be associated with you.

    Montréal pour ville état, PLUS QUE JAMAIS!

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    1. VILLE ETAT,
      It's not worth trying to educate Dumblicated. He has his own version of dummon sense.
      I won't waste my time reading his posts anymore and I suggest you consider saving yourself the angst. Ed

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  39. Votez PQ, dit Marc Bellemare

    L'ex-ministre libéral ne croit pas à l'intégrité des libéraux

    M. Bellemare a envoyé dimanche une lettre ouverte qui plaide «qu'il faut éviter de remettre les rênes du pouvoir au Parti libéral du Québec qui fait actuellement l'objet de nombreuses enquêtes criminelles».

    http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/404121/votez-pq-dit-marc-bellemare

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    1. Marc Bellemare: The fatima houda pepin of no fault insurance.

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    2. Ville etat -
      I agree with you. But francophones in Quebec are not ready to hear that. They have been conditioned to be terrified of any encroachment of english in Quebec. Some of it is valid as many francophone towns have vanished across the continent and Montreal was well on the way of becoming an anglophone city. However as we all know much of it is fear mongering. Ranting and raving on why you agree with Couillard is not going to change the opinions of many francophones.

      Why do you think Charest suddenly started talking about strengthening Bill 101 a week before the 2012 election..he knew that the francophone vote was lacking. Its politics and what Couillard said was pretty dumb even if it is true. Next poll the Liberals will be down 5 percent and god knows what happens..hopefully no worse than a PQ minority.

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    3. @complicated,

      We don't rant and rave enough about the true circumstances of this province. I don't give a rat's ass if Francophones aren't ready to hear it..we should keep repeating it, till we're blue and they can't stand it anymore and face the Truth. I certainly do not want to see Montreal sacrificed cause the precious French Canadian silent-lazy-ass-majority don't want to hear the truth. People like me will make it our business to drag them kicking and freakin' screaming into our new era. 40 bloody years of cajoling and appeasing quebec hasn't gotten us anywhere, so we're done with that approach. It is 2014, wake the fuck up and get out of bed.

      THIS IS THE BOAT, CHOOSE TO BE ON IT... OR STARVE.

      Montréal pour une ville état!

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    4. Ville etat - Look..electing a PQ majority is not going to help. Couillards statement about bilingualism is a gift for the PQ. I mean if you want the PQ to win a majority and then we all start screaming at each other then perhaps your approach is the best. But statistically we have always had 2 PQ governments followed by 2 Liberal governments..so we are due for another PQ government.

      Honestly I think some anglos will just leave and many others will grumble and try to bear another 4 years of the PQ and probably another referendum. How many will get out there and demand that Montreal seperate..it doesnt help that the federal government does and says nothing either. So scream all you want Ville etat..you are angry and this forum gives you an opportunity to vent..but Couillard did not play smart politics last week..

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    5. @complicated

      Perhaps you are right, although, again I champion Couillard for saying that bilingualism today is an asset, and it does not threaten the French Language in 2014. But if he doesn't win, I do not see the PQ winning a majority. They have de-stabilized their following too much and have made people really nervousness. First their campaign is about the charter, then enter PKP, suddenly it is about separation and referendums...then cha-cha-ing back, cause that was a disaster, so now it's is about Language, and maybe again about the charter. Totally Moronic, they don't even know which end is up. And if they get in again with a minority gov, we will have had an election and spent 88 million FOR NOTHING...Bravo schmucks.

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    6. I'm with you AnecTOTE = this has to end and now is the time. We go for bilingualism and if the PQ get a majority let there be referendum and we start splitting the pie. How many more years are we going to go through this BS? It will never end and he has been all over the province asking about bilingualism so he is tossing the dice and hoping for the best. Other than that it will just keep getting nastier and nastier. So let's get on with it!

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    7. "I agree with you. But francophones in Quebec are not ready to hear that. They have been conditioned to be terrified of any encroachment of english in Quebec. Some of it is valid as many francophone towns have vanished across the continent and Montreal was well on the way of becoming an anglophone city. However as we all know much of it is fear mongering. Ranting and raving on why you agree with Couillard is not going to change the opinions of many francophones."

      I don't get how you can point out that we are essentially dealing with a societal psychosis due to "conditioning" and "fear mongering", and then advise to accept this psychosis ("francophones are terrified", "they will not change their opinion").

      If some group of people was "fear-mongered" or conditioned into relieving themselves in your backyard, would you say: "yes, this is a result of conditioning, but they're not ready yet to accept my point of view, so I will not say anything"?

      There always comes a point when a psychosis reaches a level that it is really irrelevant if it gets worse or not. We might be dealing with an example of it in 2014 Quebec.

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  40. Apparently the advance polls are really really busy so please everyone, make sure you vote! Going to be a big turnout this election or so it seems.

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  41. Couillard...on TLMEP....

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    1. Marois now on TLMEP....and talking about creating jobs....18 months in power, she created ZERO...0....jobs.
      How dare she? How full of utter shit can you be in Life?

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  42. Egan: Parts of Quebec would be ailing without Ontario hospitals
    http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Egan+Parts+Quebec+would+ailing+without+Ontario+hospitals/9678873/story.html
    "56 per cent of the patients visiting the ER at Hawkesbury General Hospital were from Quebec"
    "Parts of Quebec, literally, would die without help from Ontario hospitals, not that the PQ can even spell Outaouais, let alone find it."

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  43. ......thats true ...I was at the hospital sunday morning for a metal splinter lodged in my eye...I arrived there exactly 9:00 am and was out at 10 to 11..great hospital...I don't even bother going to St Jerome witch is 20 min away...Lachute hospital is a place for the terminally ill are waiting to die.....

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