Monday, March 24, 2014

Cowardly Justice Minister St. Arnaud Owes Students an Apology

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Mr. No-Show, makes appearance to make false accusations
If you didn't know that Bernard St. Arnaud is the outgoing Quebec justice minister in Pauline Marois' PQ government, you should probably be excused, because he's been largely invisible these last six months.

It's patently clear that the reason he's been hiding is his reluctance to defend the legality of the Charter of Values, because quite frankly, he can't and in the best tradition of party politics, if you disagree or can't defend a major policy, it's best to shut up or face the chopping block.

One of the few pronouncements that the minister has made in the Charter debate is to repeat that he nor the government will divulge the legal opinions that it received over the Charter, claiming privilege, much to the political consternation of the opposition who demanded that he make those opinions public or resign. Link[fr}

The timid justice minister has been hemming and hawing over the issue and offered this pearl of wisdom as one of his very few contributions to the debate;
"From the beginning, my answer has always been that I am confident in the legal foundation of the guidance document which was tabled by my colleague [Bernard Drainville] last October. There will be a bill introduced [later in November] and I am confident that eventually, when this bill is passed, it will be lawful and consistent with our constitutional charters. " Link {fr} trans.
In other words, the draft Bill presented by Bernard Drainville would have to be modified in order to stand the test of a legal challenge.
Quite a masterful stroke of deflection!

So it was quite surprising that the usually timid and reserved Justice Minister exploded in an unequivocal rage over the alleged voter fraud of Anglo students in Montreal.
"The Quebec election should not be stolen by people of Ontario, people from the rest of Canada!" the outgoing Minister of Justice , Bertrand St-Arnaud, said, not pulling any punches." Link{fr}trans.
Denis Dion, Quebec's neutral election boss, stands up for democracy
Them's fighting words from a man who is supposed to uphold the principle that people are assumed innocent until proven guilty and perhaps is explained by the visceral and widely-accepted notion that Anglos stole the referendum, through voter fraud.

This popular myth in referendum lore has been concocted by separatists unable to come to terms with the close referendum loss and although irregularities were found, just like this time, as described by the DGEQ, the irregularities fell within the norms and were statistically insignificant.

Just to deflate any argument in the comments section, a few dozen students did vote illegally in the 1995 referendum, but the number pales compared to the 12,000 'NO' votes rejected by separatist scrutineers over invented or minor flaws.
The other argument that new citizenship swearing in ceremonies were rushed to accommodate the desire of these immigrants to vote in the referendum may have been political, but entirely legal, all those who were supposedly fast-tracked were qualified Canadians. At any rate, the number of these voters doesn't come close to the forty-five thousand votes, by which the 'YES' side fell short.

As for the money spent 'illegally' by the NO side, the referendum law that limited these type of expenses was deemed overly restrictive by the courts. The idea that a provincial government can enact a law that forbids the federal government from communicating with citizens, presumptuous and ultra vires.
In fact it can be argued that the restrictions in the referendum law were designed to give the separatist side an unfair advantage, by illegally curbing expenses and placing an artificial ceiling on spending, full well in knowledge that the law would be discredited after the referendum, after the unfair advantage had been exploited.

But I digress.....

PQ Election strategy..Panic and Improv...
Now an outraged St, Arnaund demanded that the DGE verify the bone fides of these students and make daily reports to him as to the status and number of these requests by Anglo students, a request flatly rejected by the independent elections boss, who I must commend for acting in a scrupulously impartial and informed manner.

The calm and measured response of the DGE, Denis Dion took the winds out of the sails of the enraged Pequists, telling them that there wasn't any rush of students trying to get onto the election roles and that the unclear criteria used to judge the voter's primary domicile needed to be clarified for the sake of potential voters and those election officials doing the verification.

In other words, no fraud was detected and the numbers of those trying to get on the election roles were no different than in the last election.

Intimating that these students were 'thieves' for trying to vote is the height of misconduct by a justice minister, who even in the heat of an election campaign must defend the principles of our democracy above partisan politics.

As I pointed out in Sunday's column the notion of 'domicile' is what is at the heart of the issue here and the election law bases the notion of the domicile by what is described in Quebec's Civil Code.

That interpretation is open to interpretation and election officials and potential voters haven't been given clear guidelines until now.
The DGE has revamped those guidelines and has published them on its website.

The notion of domicile

Section 1 of the Election Act stipulates that, to be a qualified elector, a person must have attained 18 years of age, be a Canadian citizen and have been domiciled in Québec for six months. However, the notion of domicile can be complex, and questions may be raised as to its interpretation.
Evidence of domicile is first and foremost a question of law, and is demonstrated by intention. Intention is evidenced by material facts, i.e. a person’s actions and behaviours. The domicile is therefore the place with which a person’s important actions or “states” of civic life are associated. In other words, the domicile is the place a person considers to be his or her principal establishment, gives as a reference for the exercise of his or her civil rights, and indicates publicly as being his or her domicile.
The board of revisors has the power to inquire and obtain any information it considers relevant for examination of an application for entry on the list. To do this, it may ask the person to provide additional evidence, including evidence of bank accounts in a Québec banking institution, a Québec health insurance card, a Québec driver’s licence or registration certificate, or an income tax return made in Québec. The board of revisors may also question an elector who makes an application for entry on the list or for a change of domicile.
The more evidence that is provided, the clearer the person’s intention to establish domicile becomes. It is important to note that some specific actions also provide more certain evidence of the person’s intention to establish domicile in Québec than the simple fact of signing a lease. Examples include the fact of paying income tax in Québec or obtaining a Québec driver’s licence.  Link
 The above clarification does fair justice and the DGE must be commended for its efforts in the face of divergent opinions and political pressures.

Students who actually live here in Quebec full-time deserve a right to vote, others who have never even obtained a medicare card don't, regardless of the length of stay.

That said, one student, Sean Beatty, who fervently believes that he fulfills the criteria, recorded a conversation where the election official denied him registration based on a faulty interpretation of the guiding principle concerning 'domicile.'

Listen at 1:56, when the election officer wrongly claims that the definition of 'domicile' as made in Quebec's Civil Code doesn't apply, an egregious error and 100% wrong.






Now the officer can be forgiven, nothing was particularly clear, but it's interesting to observe that these students knew more about the law then election officials.
That is why many of the rejected are not giving up, heeding the DGE's advice to return to the elections office with the new guidelines in hand.

The DGE has recognized the confusion and moved swiftly and decisively to clarify the rules for everyone.
But the idea that those who were trying to register were 'thieves' trying to 'steal' the election, as the justice minister has stated is an unpardonable sin, undignified and slanderous.

It is time for the Justice Minister to apologize to the students or failing that, crawl back into the hole where he is so used to hiding.

197 comments:

  1. Marois changed the law so she could get her red-square students to vote for the PQ… without thinking about the unintended consequences of her shenanigans in Montreal and Sherbrooke. Now, she wants to change the law again to forbid people who don’t intend to “live permanently” in Quebec (as if that were ever a requirement to vote anywhere!). Yet, thanks to her party’s discriminatory policies, a large chunk of Quebecers say they have seriously considered leaving since the PQ’s minority election. She’s so obsessively anti-democratic that she’ll do anything possible to sway the vote in her favour.

    The woman is seriously deranged.

    Vote étudiant: Marois ouvre la porte à changer la loi:
    http://bit.ly/1gQqXuG

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    1. haha. "a large chunk" now...! that's a bit less fraudulent a statement, but how many is that?

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    2. IS there any rubbish you won;t support?

      The PQ flip flop so quickly on positions that it makes it hard for somebody like you that can;t think for themselves, what to cheerlead.

      Lemmings.

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    3. This whole idea of "living permanently" or leaving permanently sounds like it's out of the cold war. After separation would Quebecois have to defect if they want to work in Canada or the USA or Europe or anywhere else in the world for a while?

      It really does sound like talk from another era. Of course, a trapped population suits business very well. It's a lot easier to exploit people if they can't move somewhere else. And apparently all you have to do to buy them off is offer a good "feeling" of being independent.


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    4. @cebeuq

      are you addressing r.s or me mate? if it's me what are you refering to?

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    5. @ Student

      Is there any kind of independence you won't support?

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    6. @ student
      You were talking about the poll RS is referencing in the last post, have you forgotten so soon? Since I know math isn't your forte, based on the percentages that said they thought about leaving based on percentages it comes out to about 1,467,710 people or about 19% of the population of Quebec. I'd call that a large chunk.

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    7. I like how even a profoundly indoctrinated seppie and self-appointed blog police doesn’t deny that the PQ under Marois has become fundamentally anti-democratic and that she’s fundamentally deranged.

      The law clearly states that it is your previous domicile and not your future one that counts. Not only is there no issue, but there is the direct opposite of the issue; once again, the PQ has been trying to manufacture an issue where there is none.

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    8. "The woman is seriously deranged."

      I second that! To be fair, her entire party is a nut-job.

      For this reason, Montreal needs to become a city-state, and get away, once and for all, from the looney bin factory that quebec is. It needs to own its own destiny.

      @Cutie

      Thank you for that link on previous post, it just keeps getting better. It won't happen overnight, but as long as it happens!

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    9. Yo, imbeciles: Quebec has been a fascist state since this language shit started with Bill 63 and the cavalcade of legislation that followed, assented to or defeated. The words "Quebec" and "democracy" don't belong in the same sentence unless the word "not" comes between the two.

      I moved to Ontario in November 1984. In May 1985, I voted in my first Ontario election, and in fact, I worked the election as a poll clerk. I didn't have to show shit to anyone. Two enumerators came to my "domicile" (back when there were enumerators), they asked me the questions about my citizenship, length of time in Ontario,etc. In all honesty, I was two days short of the six month requirement, but then again, I didn't then and still don't know what constitutes "six months". Is it 180 days? 182 days? 183 days? Six full months? Six partial months? I was two days short of my six-month semi-anniversary, but I voted and nobody bitched about it.

      Being my first Ontario election, it was my first chance to compare Ontario elections to Quebec elections.

      In Quebec, you have scrutineers sitting at the poll from opening until closing and the tally of the votes, especially those sour-faced separatist old biddies to whom I wanted to do nothing more than bitch-slap for their sour pusses and rabid racist attitudes that showed in their dirty looks.

      In Ontario, it was students who mostly did spot checks starting around 4pm and coming to sit for the last half-hour and watch the tally. I worked about 4 or 5 Ontario elections over the years and NOT ONCE did all the parties have scrutineers at the table at the same time; in fact, more often than not some of the parties weren't even represented.

      Most Ontario elections are about as interesting as watching paint dry on walls, and I'm very grateful for that. I guess the Quebec elections make for good television if nothing else.

      I have a feeling I won't get to see the deliciously sexy Annie Demelt from CTV this election because doing her current assignment she looks like she's expecting anyday now. The first time I saw her assigned to the Rivière-de-Loup constituency to cover Mario Dumont--wowzers!

      I'll miss you, Annie!

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    10. Annie's hot and so is Catherine Sherriffs. Then there's Debra Arbek over at CBC Montreal.

      Debra Arbek is originally from Rawdon. I was amongst a group of Francophones several years ago and one of them commented that Rawdon was 50 % Anglophone, and implied that it was an alarming ratio. Then another one said how terrible it would be if Quebec City and Trois Rivieres were as culturally diverse and had as many immigrants as Montreal. Xenophobia is alive and well in Quebec.

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  2. Just read on FB that Legault says that Bill 101 needs to be reinforced and Dr. Couillard, apparently, stated it does not. It's fine the way it is. I would love to see it abolished as it causes so much trouble but at least if Couillard doesn't change it yet again, we have lived with it for 40 years or so. Hope he can keep going in the right direction! Stupid Legault - placed just another nail in his coffin.

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  3. Editor, vous pouvez bien nier que des Anglos tentent de voler cette élection. Vous pouvez aussi nier que les Anglos ont volé le référendum de 1995. Mais vous ne pouvez nier le fait que les Anglos vivant au nord du 45e parallèle forment une race de voleurs d'identité.

    En effet, jadis les seuls à s'appeler Canadiens étaient ceux de langue 
française; les seuls qui chantaient l'hymne national Ô Canada étaient ceux de 
langue française; et les seuls qui avaient pour emblème national la feuille
 d'érable étaient ceux de langue française.

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    1. @ Y.L.

      North of the 45th are the identity thieves? Do you mean north of the 49th? There's a big difference. Between 1840 and 1900 almost half the Quebec population moved south of the 49th and were completely assimilated into American culture. Thus you have a large population in New England with Anglicized names like "Ben-oit" with the hard T and the governor of Maine, Lepage, who pronounces it in no way French. But the other half of the Quebecois who remained among the "anglos" of Canada remained Quebecois.

      Sure, it took a while for the Ukranians in Saskatchewan to sing the national anthem half in French, they do now. How often do you sing half of it in English?

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    2. OMG - I wish my problems were so small! Living in the past and complaining about pissant stuff in the year 2014 - they never grow these people - just stagnate in their small little minds. How do they get out of bed every day? If that was life for me, I would look for the nearest drug dealer and end it all!

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    3. @Jay

      Just north of the 45th parallel is Quebec's border with New York state and Vermont. (The 45th parallel itself was supposed to be the border itself, but a surveying mistake put the line about a kilometre north of what it should be.) That's why Y.L. is referring to. Quebec's border doesn't start to rise northward until it hits New Hampshire.

      The northernmost part of Maine is 47º28' N, so any Quebecois wishing to go to the United States would have to go farther south than the 49th parallel.

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    4. *facepalm* The sentence above should read: "That's what Y.L. is referring to." I need to look over my posts more carefully before I approve them.

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  4. "at least if Couillard doesn't change it yet again, we have lived with it for 40 years or so. Hope he can keep going in the right direction! "

    In otherwords, we're happy and well off being kicked, punched, stabbed, spit on.....just so long as we're not kicked, punched, stabbed, spit on AND bitten?

    The problem is revoking ANY of your basic human rights, EVEN JUST ONE, is opening the door for more. There is no such thing as an OK level of racism, or OK level of physical abuse, or OK level of mental abuse. If it is immoral and illegal, it just wrong, period!

    If you vote for the Liberals and they do get back in power, you deserve what you get.

    I don't want to hear "but it would be so much worse if we get the PQ". People should stand up once and for all and not accept discrimination from ANY of these parties. Bah, never mind, Quebec is doomed and no one here will ever get it with attitudes like this. The myth is if the Liberals are back in everything will be sunshine, rainbows, peace and tranquility. HAH. I keep repeating myself, but whoever wins the election on April 7th, Quebec is still headed rapidly downhill. Things are not going to improve or even level off, we're just sinking lower and lower.

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    1. And your solution is? Can't vote for a party that doesn't exist.

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    2. Geez Apple, what a pessimist you are. listening to you makes a person wonder whether life's worth living at all. What you're doing is discouraging people needlessly and taking away the happy thoughts they might have for the future after the PQ is a bad memory.
      Things will improve rapidly. The feeling of relief at the deah of bill 14 and the disgustingh charter will be worth a cheer.
      Only two lousy weeks, let's help everyone keep thier spirits up and know that it's worthwhile getting out to vote. You are tellingp people the Liberals are no better so i's not worth voting. That's a traitorous and dangerous position. If you believe this please keep it to yourself, don't infect the rest of us. Ed

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    3. Apple - that's why I stated "going in the right direction" - we will lobby the liberals after the election to start dismantling Bill 101 - it is a violation of our rights and I totally agree with you. Now is not the time for the lobbying but you can bet your bippy that none of us have forgotten the damage that Bill 101 and everything to do with legitimatized discrimination have caused our communities. Join us and start lobbying for the elimination of Bill 101 as soon as the election is over. I can't guarantee what good, if anything, we can do but our community (and "the others") have had enough of being brow beaten and silence is no longer an option.

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    4. You're right Cutie, let's get them elected and tell them what we want for the English that we have deserved for too long now.. I think we'll find it easier than one might expect as Dr. Couillard promises to be listening. Ed

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    5. @Cutie

      I have a solution...Montreal city-state!

      You can move in with me. lOL

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    6. Cutie - We've still got two weeks to go, in which a lot can happen, not to mention Quebecers can do very unexpected things when picking up their ballet card on election day.

      Needless to say there's no guarantee the Liberals will be elected.

      Though let's say the Liberals are elected with a majority. Do you honestly think they won't try and appease all the nationalists the way Charest did? It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they pass their own watered down version of Bill 14 and the Quebec charter of Value, plus beefing up the QOLF for good measure, much the same way previous Liberal government did very recently. I'm honestly curious though, and not asking viciously...what makes you think Couillard will act will differently from Charest? Have I missed something? I'd like to hear what you think will make Couillard do things differently...

      Well, as is, I'd be very surprised if Couillard just left things status-quo without trying to out do the PQ should he win. The chances of him abolishing Bill 101 are about the same chances as corruption disappearing in Quebec, or the roads getting fixed. Not going to to happen.

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    7. La politique n'est pas la spécialité de ToTo mais bien la vente de voyages à rabais et wendy,les muffins.

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    8. Ah S.R ....you worried? Lol. Your lip is twitching and not in a good way!!

      Yeah, I would be worried too if I were counting on a Loser party like the seppies, who after it gets elected, scratches its ass for 18 months wasting time and money on cardboard drawings of people wearing head attire, RATHER than running government, working on a sensible budget to get the province back on board, and stimulating this comatose quebec economy. Do you think the PQ even noticed that 28,000 people fled the province since its been in charge? The PQ didn't even pretend to govern, just one big waste of time and $$$ FOR US the citizens of this crummy province.

      You bet your ass WE want out. We're taking Montreal city-state with us!!

      SQUIRM!

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    9. Peur de quoi exactement ?Du statu quo?

      Apple llGS a tout à fait raison à propos de Phlip-Phlop.De plus,qu'on fait les "libs" pour l'économie durant leur neuf années au pouvoir ?

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    10. @ s.r

      Well they didn't chase out 28,000 people the first 18 months that they were in power. But I am not here to defend the Libs, to me, they are a lighter version of you, seppies. Sauga is right, that sob of charest could have done the right thing for all citizens, and address the issue of proportional representation, but he flipped us the bird. He was quick, however, to increase the number of agents at the OQLF, so that the silent majority and seppies could feel good about themselves. He was a piece if shit and I hope he reads this. Anyone that decides that one day he is conservative and the next a Lib, isn't either one and never will be. He is just your run-of-mill mercenary, there to earn a buck, and will say whatever you want him to say, for a buck, devoid of values and convictions. Let's see what Couillard is all about. I hope for his sake he takes the Party in another direction and does right by those who vote PLQ in this election. He seems to be credible, but, I will bet money, that if PLQ get in with a majority, they will find a way to pass the charter somehow, cause they have to appease all you idiots, be damned Rights and Freedoms.

      As for me, all I care about, is that Montreal becomes a city-state and can finally get away from PQ and PLQ antics who have done nothing but sabotaged it for 40 yrs.

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    11. OMG! OG..MG! Another imbecilic thread of dreams. Apple is right, and after what he went through as he has explained in several commentaries over the years, it's hard not to see Quebec in any other light.

      Cutie: You want to lobby? Go to a goddamn brick wall and lobby your bloody head off because you'll achieve as much lobbying to the brick wall as you will lobbying to the good-for-nothing Liberals about Bill 101. That f--king legislation has been on the books and the undisputed law now going on 37 years and has been fully and heartily endorsed by every last Liberal leader going back to Claude Ryan. R U 4 real? Join Chicken Little who still is running around proclaiming the sky.
      is falling.

      Ed: R U sick? Actually agreeing with Cutie? I guess if you were mugged and maimed within an inch of your life into a wheelchair with surgical staples where he cracked your skull and on morphine along with other heavy meds, you'd say at least the mugger didn't kill you.

      This is how you see the great Liberals who in John James "Goldilocks" Charest's last mandate emboldened the civil servants to not talk to you in English and appoint an uberzealot to the OQLF that the PQ unceremoniously threw under the bus as the Pastagate scapegoat? Maybe somebody should bitch-slap some sense into both of you!

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    12. Hey Mr.S

      My dream for a city state is not imbecilic. People are realizing it is the only solution if Montreal stands a chance of ever bouncing back. Montreal has been crushed for 40years. Superfluous language laws that have nothing to do with it. Like trying to shove a circle inside of a square. Montreal has always differed from the rest of quebec in EVERY aspect, and more so now. There is a different essence to Montreal, today it's become highly multi-ethnic. It drives the seppies crazy. They won't reproduce and resent that others do. We have to cut loose, for our own good and people are getting with the program. I don't ever recall the subject of a city state being openly discussed by the politicos at the municipal level running Montreal in the past..but guess what? They are now .....and they finally realize what Quebec City has done perpetuated on this city for 4decades. Montreal has been and is the exploited child of this province, and we are done with it...we've grown up and want/ expect retribution.

      Montréal pour une ville-état.

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    13. "circle inside of a square"

      Essayez un "square head" dans un "circle jerks" ...Ça fonctionne :)

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    14. "Essayez un "square head" dans un "circle jerks" ...Ça fonctionne :)"

      Sounds like SR is speaking from experience, try and stay on topic, we don't need to know about your Saturday nights!

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    15. Thanks for the invite AnecTOTE - lol - if some kind of release from the PQ is granted to Montreal (and I sure as hell hope it is) you can bet it will be the same for my area because most of us are federalists here also and we have to get rid of that group of separatists that are dragging us all down. Bring on the biggest change this province has ever seen! I'm far past being patient with that dumb bunch that keep us down.

      Apple and Mr. Sauga - Yes, quebec is a very volatile province and we are never sure what will happen come election day - totally agree. Everyone has to ensure that they get out to vote. Don't ever believe the polls - I don't!

      You both may be right - perhaps lobbying the liberals for change will not work but doing something, rather than nothing, at least lets me sleep at night! I agree that Dr. Couillard has his challenges facing him but if he honestly believes in Canada (which I've never been sure of with Mr. Charest who was a career politician) he will have to start turning that party around and stop appeasing those hidden nationalists he has hiding in his own midst. He seems willing to talk to the other premiers about the status of quebec but knows, I'm sure, at the outset that "special" status for them within confederation will never fly. Why should it? They already have more powers that the rest of the provinces and that will have to be enough for the separatists or this will forever be hanging over our heads preventing us from picking ourselves up by the boot straps and getting on with our lives. I've said it before, and I'll repeat: NO MORE POWER TO QUEBEC FOR ANYTHING! Either they want to live with the rest of us in peace or kick them out and let's get on with partitioning this province like the Christmas turkey! He has four or five years to turn this around and stop discriminating against the minorities given that french is not threatened in any way and his job will be to convince the separatists that this is the truth and not the BS that their politicians.

      No. 1 priority - fix the electoral system
      No. 2 - get the economy going again by making it easier for businesses to function here
      No. 3 - talk a lot and start expounding the benefits of being a part of Canada! Our shared values and economy so that these idiots understand that their old age pensions, EI benefits, transfer payments for our health care, etc. are all tied to a very successful Canada that has one of the best economies in the world and recognizes their language and culture!

      At this point in time, this is where our battle lies - we can sit back or we can take action. What's it to be?

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    16. Montréal ville-état: I was not pertaining to what you wrote, just Ed and Cutie for their pipedreams of a benevolent Philippe Couillard. Unless you're Michel David, the City-State concept was his proposal, but you certainly have the right to aspire and agree to that concept.

      Under the current set of circumstances Quebec is in, it's probably the best alternative in the short run. In the long run, however, unless there is a corridor or some kind of easement at least between Montreal and Ontario if not from the Atlantic Provinces to Ontario. If not, Montreal is land-locked and the free movement of goods and possibly services would not be able to take place.

      Urban renewal, however, would be a long, slow process as Montreal has fallen into the throes of neglect and its association with an anti-business anti-investment Quebec. The infrastructure too is in dire straits and with all the corruption, that will take an eternity to fix properly.

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  5. Chantal Hébert in the Toronto Star:

    "What is certain is that the pack of attack dogs intent on fear-mongering that the PQ is turning into in this campaign bears little resemblance to the straight-shooting party that René Lévesque founded in the flower-child era of the late 60s."

    But Quebec today is probably as independent as Lévesque ever hoped it would be. The referendum question he asked in 1980 was to, "negotiate a new agreement with the rest of Canada, based on the equality of nations;" even though the ROC and Quebec are not equal in any way, and even though that referendum lost, the ROC still negotiated a new agreement with Quebec. Over the last 40 years more and more authority has been given to Quebec. To the point that this is the end of the negotiations.

    So yes, there is nothing left from the original movement.

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    1. Good point, Jay. Unfortunately, what Chantal Hébert wrote is right, and disgustingly true. Lévesque founded the movement and now it has devolved to the residual slimy smegma at bottom of the barrel.

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    2. Don't forget, the PQ rank and file kicked out Rene Levesque and every leader since.

      -Kevin

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    3. What's your point, Kevin? We KNOW separatists are cannibals and eat their leaders once they dispose of them. I see Lévesque as having dropped out finally giving into «le beau risque» because his referendum didn't produce the desired result. He also rolled back government wages 20% for 3 months in 1983 and it took two more years for their wages to get back to 1982 levels. There are those still stewing over that today.

      The two leaders the separatists really skewered for being too soft on separation were Pierre-Marc Johnson and the gay cokehead whose name I currently have forgotten (but was given quite the sweetheart deal by Poh-poh). The separatists ALWAYS eat their leaders like cannibals, but with the exception of Lévesque. In the case of Lévesque, they simply jumped ship..just like that cowardly ship captain in Italy a few years ago.

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    4. @Mr. Sauga
      Simply that there is a grand disconnect between the movers and shakers within the PQ and the actual people who vote for the party.

      The diehards are noisy, they're all over social media, but like Patrick Lagacé is finding out on Twitter, there just aren't that many of them doing anything useful.

      -Kevin

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  6. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTMonday, March 24, 2014 at 5:37:00 PM EDT

    If I did not know that this is happening in Quebec, I would have guessed Crimea...

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  7. Pauline’s checklist:
    https://twitter.com/reneehoude/status/447988601003855872/photo/1
    (http://bit.ly/1dqooF5)

    Language: didn’t work
    Drainville’s charter: didn’t work
    Blaming Ottawa: didn’t work
    “Determined”: didn’t work
    Leaders’ debate: didn’t work
    Martine Desjardins: didn’t work
    PKP: didn’t work
    Attacking Couillard: didn’t work
    Attacking Legault: didn’t work
    Attacking David: didn’t work

    All that’s left is to smack Elections Quebec around.

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    1. Mais lorsqu'on additionne tous ces points,ça fonctionne :)

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    2. "Mais lorsqu'on additionne tous ces points,ça fonctionne :)"

      Hahhah, oh man, that's just sad.

      SR logic = 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 1
      I guess that's how the PQ thinks a separate Quebec would work. 0 - 9 billion = 20 billion!

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  8. One note:

    You said: "Students who actually live here in Quebec full-time deserve a right to vote, others who have never even obtained a medicare card don't, regardless of the length of stay."

    In fact, NO college or university student who came from another province, regardless of the length of their residence in Quebec, will be issued a Quebec health card so long as they remain enrolled in school.

    Also, the process to obtain a health card or driver's license is not always straight-forward to navigate, and these are often sought when necessary, rather than electively.

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    1. This is true.

      FROM: RAMQ criteria for a medicare card

      Persons who are ineligible for the Health Insurance Plan
      Certain persons who spend time in Québec are ineligible for coverage under the Health Insurance Plan. These include:
      • tourists;
      • the children born of parents in Québec as tourists;
      students and any other persons from another Canadian province who are in Québec temporarily. The healthcare they receive in Québec is covered by the health insurance plan of their province of origin;
      • students from countries other than those with which Québec has concluded a social security agreement providing for student coverage;
      • refugee claimants. These persons may, however, benefit from coverage under the Interim Federal Health Program.

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    2. The question is whether the definition of domicile in health and education is the same as the definition of domicile in the legal sense?

      Students, or rather they who never earn in Quebec nor the child of one, is not covered by RAMQ. The rationale is that RAMQ provides more than any other provincial plans and RAMQ is out of the Canada-wide agreement. Therefore, if someone does not contribute in Quebec revenue, one is not eligible for the "privilege" provided by RAMQ.

      The same situation also happens in education. Quebec is the only province with three tiers of student statuses: Quebec students, rest-of-Canada students and international students. Other provinces only have two tiers: Canadian and international. Quebec student status is the one paying the very low tuition fees.

      But again, are those definitions of domicile align with the legal one and with the right of a Canadian citizen to vote? The right to vote is a fundamental right of citizenship. As long as Quebec is a province of Canada (and today it remains a province, just ask the Courts), it can not disenfranchise the citizens.

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    3. Quebec Civil Code:
      http://www2.publicationsduquebec.gouv.qc.ca/dynamicSearch/telecharge.php?type=2&file=/CCQ_1991/CCQ1991_A.html

      Domicile and Residence:
      Chapter II, Sections 75 - 83

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  9. Anonymous Buster of Shit ArgumentsMonday, March 24, 2014 at 6:38:00 PM EDT

    Some interesting notes from Twitter:

    Typical separatist reaction when the tide turns against them: http://screencast.com/t/op6i11fy5Hl

    Who's really getting screwed: http://screencast.com/t/MVK4bCH7k0W6

    Bring out your hillbillies! It's time for a lynching: http://screencast.com/t/D73xJeA0iz

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    1. Is this a typical federalist reaction?
      https://twitter.com/yclaude/status/447764457125453824

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    2. Pas croyable...Dossier à suivre pour la SQ

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    3. No, of course it’s not a typical reaction at all, as you well know.
      However, it does appear to have come from a teenage girl that you are following.

      PS: Do stop replying to yourself. It's tedious.

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    4. "No, of course it’s not a typical reaction at all, as you well know. "

      Non, je peux vous en sortir d'autres

      "However, it does appear to have come from a teenage girl that you are following."

      Qu'est que vous tentez de sous-entendre? Si c'est ce que je pense, vous êtes vraiment un être ignoble et déspéré...

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    5. I don't know which is worse thinking and using the SSJB's "Quebec bashing evidence" as evidence, or stalking a 14 year old girl.

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    6. Peu importe, l'âge de la personne, ce sont des propos graves, mais vous préférez la défendre en disant que je fais du "stalking"...

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    7. "Peu importe, l'âge de la personne"
      Hmm no under the law a minor is less accountable for their actions and will be less severely punished, by the same token stalking a child is more "graves" than stalking an adult. Real shifty. So lets compare 1. A child saying they hope something bad befalls someone else 2. An adult internet stalking and then cyber bullying a child. Yeesh, it is not looking good for #2.

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    8. I'd also suggest you look up what the definition of what a threat is under the Canadian legal code because neither of those actually fit the description.

      That aside you've taken us on quite a tangent away from the original topic, wherein you did not denounce the post of a man who said he fells like lynching 2-3 dozen students, which is much more likely of being taken as a threat as he says he, himself, feels like doing a concrete action that involves murder.

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    9. Relying info that doesn't please whowhatzit = False accusations of stalking a minor...

      Goodwin point...you lost!

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    10. "Goodwin point...you lost!"
      Godwin's law is that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1". No one referenced Nazis, can you not get anything right?

      But seriously what this "Yves Claudé yclaude" fellow is doing is verging on criminal harassment of a minor, and if it's you, you should stop it, if you're just a follower of him, perhaps it's time to find someone else to follow who doesn't think bullying children is ok.

      Still waiting on you to denounce the whole lynching thing from the OP.

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    11. As whowhatzit pointed out, there’s no such thing as a “Goodwin point”. However, there is such a thing as “Godwin’s law”, which states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1" — that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism.”

      There is no winning or losing involved.

      The probability of such an event not having attained 1 yet, you may wish to extract your foot from your mouth.

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    12. Two wrongs don't make a right. It's not because they don't fit in your interpretation of the legal code that they're harmless.

      The girl who made the comment is not a minor, she's actually a student at Concordia (a quick twitter search doesn't equate to stalking) but why should whowhatzit let facts get in the way of a good reason to bash or bully someone. Anyway, it's all "harmless" in the end.

      Also, whowhatzit likes to refer to the Canadian legal code, yet, the presumption of innocence gets thrown out of the window quite quickly with him.

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    13. "It's not because they don't fit in your interpretation of the legal code that they're harmless."
      "the presumption of innocence gets thrown out of the window quite quickly with him"

      Can't get three sentences in without contradicting himself. lol Still waiting on a weigh in on the original lynching quote.

      "get in the way of a good reason to bash or bully someone."
      Well that's a quote for the ages, Mohammed has a good reason to bully people! lol

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    14. "Still waiting on a weigh in on the original lynching quote."

      Not before I've seen you figure out your own contradictions.

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    15. Hmm odd, I could have swore the OP came before I said anything, time must work differently in the reality you hail from.

      Can't say that I see many contradictions on my side, though you started with a contradiction right off the bat (in addition to the many others already pointed out):

      "Two wrongs don't make a right."
      and yet the first thing you post is someone saying they hope something bad happens to someone in response to the OP posting a quote about someone saying they feel like lynching dozens of students. Quite the puzzling contribution for someone who thinks two wrongs don't make a right, to respond to a wrong, with a wrong. Very puzzling indeed.

      Perhaps my contradiction is that I espouse not throwing things kids said in their faces over and over again on the internet, and yet here I am debating with you? Is that it? If so I apologize I didn't know you were a child, but you best get to sleep it is far past your bedtime, you need to be wide awake to continue "bullying people for a good cause". lol

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    16. Neither of you is the next minister of Justice, that's for sure!

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    17. @DS

      You gotta admit that whowazit would be an improvement on mr. No-show...c'mon....lol

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  10. Here is the real problem with our electoral system..the first past the post system..

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Group+calls+proportional+representation+Quebec/9655861/story.html

    This is why we have never ending alternations between the pq and the liberals. the system clearly favours the two big parties at the expense of the smaller ones.

    We do not have true democracy but a bastardized form of it. My vote in Montreal is not equal to a vote of many in the rural areas..their vote has much more weight. We should move to a ranking system..you rank your candidates from one to five. Then you add up the votes until one candidate gets more than 50 percent..

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    1. Voting for the CAQ only makes sense if you happen to live in a riding where they are polling first or second. Only then will your vote count for anything at all. That’s the system we’re stuck with and you already know that perfectly well. We are stuck with voting strategically, not according to our conscience.

      Showing your displeasure by voting for a third-place party sends no message to anyone whatsoever. Voting for a 4th-place party is useless and not even worth stepping out of the house for because that is the very definition of a wasted vote (never mind the tiny subsidy they get). Only Proportional Representation allows every vote to count, which is why almost nobody else in the world uses our broken FPTP voting system that was designed for two-party competition.

      If you live in a riding where the first, second and third place parties are PQ/Libs/CAQ, then your vote for the CAQ is a vote for the PQ. Discuss.

      If you live in a riding where the first, second and third place parties are Libs/PQ/CAQ, then your vote for the CAQ is still a vote for the PQ. Discuss.

      In any event, we’ll still wind up with years and years of court challenges against the discriminatory policies that the PQ always favours and the political squabbling and perpetual conflict that the PQ always seeks, as with their usual anti-anglo and anti-ethnic witch-hunts that *will* occur.

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    2. I agree..one has to vote strategically otherwise you end up with a PQ majority. But our system is seriously flawed as you point out. It frustrates me to no end that none of the main politicial parties ever bring this up. They pretend we have democracy but we really do not..not all votes count the same.

      I am still not thrilled about the Libs winning..they have proven that they are as incompetent as the PQ..but people are like sheep..they just vote the same year after year and vote out of fear not for real change..


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    3. Complicated - if the CAQ represented Canadian values and had turned down the charter and bill 14 outright you may have seen them really surge in the polls but because they have proven to be as bad as the PQ (with a few minor changes) and supported reinforcing Bill 101 which would kill off more business and our real estate, they've pretty well screwed themselves even if their business plan is better. You would think that these politicians would learn but they never do - they cater to the hardliners and the louder they scream, the more the leaders back down. Cowards - the lot of them.

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    4. Here’s an interesting interactive comparison provided by Fair Vote Canada of how the National Assembly would look like under three different electoral systems: the current one, under pure PR, and under mixed PR. It also indicates exactly which ridings have the highest voting power.

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  11. I was told that this article is interesting. Written by a francophone columnist, I think it can be deemed to be free from francophobia. As my French is not that good, can I ask help from student, Press 9 / S.R, Y.L, Mohammed or Sebastien to tell me what the writer is writing about?

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    1. FROM THE FRENCH PRESS: MONEY AND STUDENT VOTES?
      BENOIT AUBIN - MAR. 23, 2014

      Please, someone , tell me that I'm mistaken!

      Someone please tell me that Quebec is not slipping a little further down the slippery slope of xenophobia, intolerance and ethnic or linguistic profiling. Tell me this is a hoax, a bad joke, an excess of zeal committed by an election worker who went beyond his mandate, or that Twitter "trolls" are writing nonsense on a Sunday when everyone else is out playing outside.

      Don’t tell me that it was the Minister of Justice - the Minister of Justice! - who publicly asked whether "the coming election will be stolen by people from Ontario..."

      I cannot believe that it was the Premier - the Premier of all Quebecers! - who said she is "concerned about the integrity of the vote" and expressed concern that the voting results may be "distorted" because some citizens (who are assumed not to vote for the PQ) want to provide themselves with their right to vote by being registered on the electoral roll.

      Justice Minister Bernard St-Arnaud said that "the coming week will be crucial for democracy." Yes, indeed! What kind of democracy are we talking about when people who fulfill the conditions (be 18 years old, be a Canadian citizen and have resided in Quebec for six months) are accused of "stealing the election" - two weeks before the vote! - and that these accusations come not from some mischievous internet hooligans but from ministers of the outgoing government?

      What Ms. Marois and Mr. St-Arnaud endorse, in veiled terms, is the notion of inequality of Quebecers, that there are several levels of “Quebecness” among voters, and that students who live in Montreal but were born elsewhere in Canada have fewer rights than others because they are “lesser” Quebecers than others. And that, therefore, their interest in being enrolledon the electoral roll is suspect and therefore the sign of a conspiracy. And that, therefore, the April 7 election has already been stolen.

      This is, in my view, unacceptable by politicians. It’s even more troubling from politicians who wrap themselves up in the flag and blather on about democracy. Quite disturbing indeed. In addition, the accusation that the students already have "stolen" the election borders on ridiculous paranoia.

      In Ste-Marie-St-Jacques, the pequiste Daniel Breton garnered 10,200 votes, followed by Québec Solidaire with 7,200. The Liberals only received 5,500 votes. There aren’t enough McGill students to make up the difference! In Westmount, the Liberal Jacques Chagnon won by 12,800 votes! In Sherbrooke, Jean Charest was defeated by 2,560 votes...

      This is the government that wants to make Quebec a country, one that presents a vague number of veiled women in daycares and kippa-wearing nurses as being a threat to Quebec values? And who now accuse students of "stealing" the election because they have "strange" names and they want to vote where they live?

      Is this really what "Le Québec aux Québécois" means for the PQ? Oh boy!

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    2. Troy, that article is not interesting. The guy who wrote it, Benoit Aubin, is a colonized federalist. The only reason why that poor man has a job as a journalist at age of 65 it's because he serves as a useful idiot. Lise Ravary has the same purpose.

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    3. "colonized federalist"

      As opposed to a colonized separatist? lol Y.L must still be out there ploughing the fields for his seigneur.

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    4. See how panicky the seppies are getting now that they are down in the polls? They are resorting to the ad hominem fallacy rather than actual argumentation about the content of ideas…

      Then again, I suspect Troy was expecting this to happen, rather than a reasoned response.

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    5. It's always amusing that separatists, who constitute a minority even among francophones, are so insulting.
      For 40 years they've been calling other francophones colonized bastards and wondering why they are unable to achieve their dream.

      -Kevin

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    6. Y.L.:"The only reason why that poor man has a job as a journalist at age of 65 it's because he serves as a useful idiot."
      So, the key distinction between him and you is that he's useful.

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    7. YL - Colonized federalists..what a stupid term. Apparently you are still living in the 1700s..why dont you joing the modern age. Last time I checked Canada was a country not a colony..and by the way the francophones who came here were also colonists as much as the anglophones were. It seems to me that Quebec has more control over its state of affairs than any other province in Canada. We even tolerate a clearly illegal law..Bill 101..which discriminates blatantly against anglophone rights that are supposed to be protected all across Canada. But thats still not good enough for someone like you. And how has giving Quebec more control over its affairs worked out..the economy is among the worst in Canada, the debt is by far the highest, the unemployment rate is among the highest, the infrastructure is among the worst, the corruption level is the worst and on and on. If anything the performance of Quebec clearly shows that it is nowhere near ready to govern itself.

      Why is it that seperatists stoop to such lows to get votes? Why so much anger from the seperatists towards anyone who isnt like them? The only way the PQ knows how to win an election is by dividing people..treating non-Quebecois like second class citizens in hope they will leave so that they can win their precious vote on independance. This latest farce about anglo students trying to vote is just another example of how low the PQ will go to win votes..and you YL with your provocative statements are doing exactly the same thing.

      Why not work together with anglos, allos to build a better province for everybody. Montreal has the potential to be a great city..but the seperatists attack have nearly brought this city to its knees. The dream of independance has been destroyed in part by the seperatists themselves who have nearly bankrupted Quebec and Montreal. An independant Quebec needs to be strong economically..all indications over the past 40 years are that the PQ have no clue how to manage the economy..the proof is plain to see. Just drive around Montreal and see all the abandoned and/or empty buildings..the crumbling infrastrustucre..the high taxes..the high debt.

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    8. Exactly complicated - if they even made an honest effort to try to work with everyone else, this province would stand a chance of coming to life again but, as you can see by the comments from the separatists that troll this blog, they are not willing to do anything to improve life here. The only thing they concentrate on is "independence" and for the life of me, I don't see what this would accomplish in the end. There is not one provincial government here in quebec that could ever handle the running of a country and we've had proof of this for the past 40 years as we watch the province sink further and further into oblivion. Such a waste of a good life that we could all enjoy if they would knock it off and worry only about their future and not their past.

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  12. You mean Press 9 / S.R/Y.L/Mohammed or Sebastien

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  13. Tension au bureau d’élection

    http://tinyurl.com/mrycuck

    Excellent!

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    1. "Le calme est vite revenu lorsque les membres de la commission de révision ont effectivement pris la décision de les rencontrer individuellement. Le directeur du scrutin, Stéphane Gohel, assure que la situation s’est très vite réglée."

      Call in the national guard! lmao.

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  14. Now that the PQ is lagging by 10 points in the polls and a Liberal majority is being projected (LINK), they are in panic mode.

    In 2012, the PQ certainly wasn’t concerned about respecting democracy and domicile rules when a number of red-square students changed their domicile to Sherbrooke in order to defeat Charest. You can bet that francophone residents from outside Quebec aren’t having their vote being suppressed like this either. Another example of Quebec tribalism at work…

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    1. Quand le PQ mène dans les sondages, on dit que les résultats ne sont pas fiables, mais quand le PLQ mène, soudainement on prend ces résultats pour du cash.

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    2. "In 2012, the PQ certainly wasn’t concerned about respecting democracy and domicile rules when a number of red-square students changed their domicile to Sherbrooke in order to defeat Charest. "

      Des preuves? De toute façon, Charest, le PLQ et ses partisans n'ont pas de leçons à donner quand il est question d'éthique.

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    3. Super...Un autre quatre ans avec le parti le plus corrompu de toute l'histoire du Québec.

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    4. Neither do popo and her used car salesman of a husband.

      Btw...when will we know the truth about the Blanchet/FTQ deal? Before the election would be nice, not to mention right!

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    5. @ Press 9

      In the history of Quebec? Wow. That's really saying something. Well then, the good news is you won't have to try and start up a country with all these people who vote for that party.

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    6. "Super...Un autre quatre ans avec le parti le plus corrompu de toute l'histoire du Québec."

      Did you replace your previous comment about the PLQ, you little shit? You guys are hiding something about popo's 'purity' on the the whole Blanchet/FTQ deal...hahahahahahahahahahahhahaahhahaahhahahah. It would certainly explain why she didn't even bring up the whole issue of PLQ ethics at the debate when she could have gone to town on CouIlard with that alone. BUT she backed off, WHY? Maybe she doesn't want her dirty laundry spilled in public...to the public? Lol

      If she thinks people are idiots then she's an idiot. LOL

      Btw, I wouldn't have made a fuss had u not removed and replaced your original comment, you twit. Lol

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    7. "Super...Un autre quatre ans avec le parti le plus corrompu de toute l'histoire du Québec."

      We all had two opportunities to elect a new party. But both anglos and francophones have chosen to close their eyes and plug their noses and once again to elect one of the two parties responsible for the mess we have in Quebec.

      Are the Liberals a better option than the PQ..yes but not by much. How bad do things have to get in Quebec before people will consider another option? Why arent people marching in the streets for a change to our archaic electoral system and demand a proportional style system?

      Another 4 yerars of the Liberals depresses me too..but 4 years of the PQ is even worse. At least the Liberals dont pit one side against the other..at least the Liberals focus is not on independance at any cost. But their economic record is weak.

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    8. @Press 9

      Les deux grands partis sont corrompus.
      http://plus.lapresse.ca/screens/4914-ca6c-5331a51a-8efd-587fac1c6068%7CKW~KP-eaBkup.html

      Mais c'est seulement avec l'elimination du PQ, les separatistes, et les chartistes que les anglophones auront la possibilité de voter pour un autre parti que des Liberaux.

      -Kevin

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  15. Is it me or do Mr. No-Show and Mr. Drain-brain look alike? Lol

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    1. I know! I thought the Editor made a mistake at first, but no… they must’ve been separated at birth.

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    2. Pas plus confondant que deux femmes en burqa :)

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    3. You heard it here first people SR wants to ban people who look alike now. Well that or he's bring up burkas again for no reason. lol

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    4. Suspicious possibility that the PQ may be cloning their candidates:

      http://goo.gl/F6aaLH
      http://goo.gl/Yaq8Xw
      http://goo.gl/aQunQI

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    5. Vladimir Putin vs. The Dog That Looks Like Vladimir Putin

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2425854/Commie-canine-dog-looks-like-President-Putin-Russia.html

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  16. SHARIA LAW A FACT IN THE UK

    http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/3386706532001

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    1. Wow, this Press 9 creature not only it is stubborn, it does not even pay attention to the thing that it itself posts. The very thing is a repetition and has been debunked by whowhatzit. Does Press 9 have comprehension difficulties or something?

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    2. The problem is SR posts so much garbage it loses track of what it has posted so it posts the same garbage newstories again and again, it will also swallow PKP's tabloid garbage be it from Sun or JdeM, and does not read past the titles.

      Whenever a link goes up from S.R. you know there's going to be something completely wrong or out of context with it.

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    3. Whoa, watch out the wordsmith is on the warpath! lmao.

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    4. I live in the UK, in one of the cities with the highest concentration of Asians and Muslims in the country, and I can say, without a shadow of a doubt, that this is total and utter BOLLOCKS!

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    5. Press 9,

      What do you want to write? That I am a Muslim? If that is what you want to write, why not just go ahead and WRITE IT? Why must you write in such a cryptic language like a 12 years old girl? Are you not confident enough just to clearly express your opinion, or are you just a coward?

      Besides, if I were a Muslim, what would that have anything to do with my opinions?

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    6. What in the name of God are the separatists worried about with Sharia Law? It is so stupid - there is not a western civilization that would ever, ever think of having Sharia Law! These people are paranoid beyond comprehension.

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    7. "what would that have anything to do with my opinions?"

      Hm hm!

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    8. "Hm hm!"
      The wordsmith strikes again! Well, those were almost words lol.

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    9. Press 9,

      So by not answering my direct question, I can just say that you are indeed a coward and have no honor.

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  17. Since most people don't go back to check past postings, I'll rebut two from Sunday's posting here:

    ED Monday, March 24, 2014 at 10:02:00 AM EDT
    Mr.Sauga, you're hatred of Jean Charest is uncalled for. He was a good man walking a tight rope. He kept the FLQ types quiet and advanced the economy. He understood the slowness of the dullards in the communities and tried to help them instead of taking advantage. He was completely honest but people like you would never admit that. You would fit right into the PQ as a member,, you have pushed for separation all along. Why don't you stay in your own provinvce and let us try to save ours.

    Ed: I AM staying in my own province and trying to save mine from having it bled to death for the sake of the fascist state you've chosen to stay in.

    Cutie003Monday, March 24, 2014 at 11:27:00 AM EDT
    Ed - I have nothing against Jean Charest but you have to admit that he did nothing to improve our life during his tenure in office. He could have done a lot more and if he didn't have the guts, he deserves the criticism - there were things he could have done like fix the electoral system and there is no excuse for him not doing it. He was in office for 9 years for heaven's sake and was not the kind of leader we needed - let's hope Dr. Couillard has the courage of his convictions or this province is going to keep going down the tubes!

    Cutie: I'll be more diplomatic with you than Ed. Couillard has already shown what s chicken chested yellow belly he is by having at first said he'd let Bill 60 pass over his dead body, and then did an about-face just mere days later. So much for his "convictions"!

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    1. I agree with both you and Apple on this - I have stated it before when the subject first came up - he should have stood his ground and kicked the lady out of the party (which ended up happening anyway) and made it clear that the only part of the charter that was acceptable would be full face coverings. As he was new, and there are so many of his party that are "old hat" I'm sure he's going to have to make a lot of changes to get the party to where it should be - a totally "federalist" party and feel, at this stage of the game, we should give him a chance to make those changes. Again, we don't have much of a choice anyway so we will be supporting the liberals on April 7 and try to make changes to the party following the election. People aren't going to sit back after this election - they are going after the liberals to make necessary changes. We'll see.

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  18. and the real heroes strike from the safety of their home in another province. calling someone else yellow. Une arse has more guts and sense than sauga. Es

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    1. Ed - Any person who defends the Quebec Charter of Values, even as a desperation strategy because they're politically cornered, IS a yellow belled coward. And that is precisely what Mr. Couillard is. More than that, he catastrophically fails as a leader. Here's a question, what if Couillard was told that by stating "the holocaust never happened", and "Jews are the enemy of Quebec", absolutely, positivity, 100%, guaranteed him a landslide election victory...no a solid majority government for the next 10 years. Should he go ahead and say it? Well?

      Couillard is not a man of values or integrity based on his 180 turn about the charter. He's an opportunist sell out. You MUST uphold the values of what is right and wrong no matter what, you can never trade them in for political points or you're convictions are hollow and meaningless.

      Quebec's Charter of Values is a dangerous toxin. Whether or not is passes matters little now, the worst thing anyone can do is endorse it and thereby propagate hate, violence and unleash levels of intolerance never seen before in this province.

      ...Though this is meaningless to you, Ed. Hate, intolerance and division are music to your ears apparently. Before you go off attacking Mr. Sauga once again, here's some of the more recent colorful pieces you've wrote:

      -" 'When it is his job to take a certain 6 foot 6 inch black girl to court and she is screeching 'You ain't taking this fuckin nigger nowhere mister and if you lay a hand on me I'll tear your eyes out and scream rape'. it gets difficult."

      -"Ford is right the homosexuals are going to far. This in your face practice needs some boundaries. They are not more important thean the Olympicss. "

      -"You give Jews and humanity a bad name. You area money grubbing Jew."

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    2. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTTuesday, March 25, 2014 at 6:32:00 AM EDT

      Thanks ED!!!! :)

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    3. From Ann,
      I think it is clear that none of the Quebec political parties are stupendous. However, I will take the Liberals over the PQ any day. The PQ are a very scary bunch, particularly this incarnation of the PQ. Sadly, politicians all over Canada and around the world have shown reckless disregard for the population they serve. They only seem to serve themselves and those in their inner circle. Quebec may have its own unique set of problems, but the rot is widespread around the world. In BC the top brass of a non-profit that helps the underprivileged were taking money for their own perks at the expense of taxpayers. The top everywhere, from government, private sector, public sector seem to care only about making sure they are living the good life, who cares about the "little people".

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    4. Ann -

      Its so true..we have an elite group running western countries that are essentially puppets for the corporate world. If the Liberals win I am not sure that I will be that happy..happy that Marois is gone..but not happy about another 2-4 years of the Liberals. The people need to stand up and revolt against the tyranny that the politicians are imposing on all of us.

      As a minimum we need an electoral system which refects the true desires of the population. Its unacceptable that one can win an election without winning the popular vote..ie George W.Bush, the PQ on a few occasions.

      I have always believed in smaller government. The government has far too much control over our affairs..they have grown too big and too powerful. They are often co-opted by corporations and other big shots. The smaller the government the less chance they can impose their will on people. Its ludicrous that Montreal has more city councillors than any city in North America..these politicians are sucking money out of us and then they will leave us high and dry when austerity needs to be imposed on everyone.

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    5. So, if corporations hold the puppet strings do you have any ideas how to limit their overwhelming control of everything in our lives? I always wonder why we want smaller governments even though we know they're just puppets but we never seem to want smaller corporations. Shouldn't we at least want the illusion of democracy?

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    6. I would love to see corporations smaller also but good luck with that. They are so large and powerful and have such influence on governments that effectively we have fascism running the western world..a corporate/political team.

      Corporations play off different governments to get what they want. If one country gets tough with them then they leave and pull out much needed investment and more importantly jobs.

      The real question is how do you get all the countries int he world on the same page..the answer is you cant. Hence there will always be a country somewhere in the world which is desperate enough for money and jobs to sacrifice the environment, human rights, the law and so on.

      We all could made a difference by not buying products from China but the bottom line is that most people will buy the cheapest product..they will not pay 50 percent more for a local product. They might pay 25 percent more but 25 percent more will not pay the wages that people in the western world expect.

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    7. It's not really wages. This is a discussion for another venue, I think, but it's really more than that. Wages make up about 10-15% of the costs of most manufactured items. The real issue with China is that it is a completely different system that only adds profit to the final stage, everything else is done at cost. So while a Canadian company has to pay for raw materials, shipping, energy costs and everything else involved to companies that also must make a profit, these things are supplied at cost in China. It's impossible to compete with that.

      It was terrific PR on the part of corporations to get us to focus on wages and not profits, though.

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    8. However, I will take the Liberals over the PQ any day.

      ...And that is precisely why we've been stuck in this circular loop of madness for 40 years! The PQ and Liberals support discriminatory laws, hate legation, dominance of the French population, corruption and piss poor governance, simply because they are solely focused on the former points. It's not just a circular loop at this point, it has morphed into a downwards spiral loop.

      If the Liberals get back into power, they will pick up right where the PQ left off. I guarantee it. Corruption will continue and thrive, language issues will be at the top of the agenda, roads will crumble, hospitals ER's will be overcrowded and people will die, pieces of overpasses and buildings will fall, taxes will go up and up, the economy will go down, and head offices, companies and people will continue to leave in droves. OHHH, BUT RELAX, NO ONE WILL CALL A REFERENDUM IN THE NEXT 4 YEARS SO YOU CAN IGNORE ALL THE BAD STUFF.

      Unbelievable. Need I remind you, when my father was dying of a brain tumor, and I was diagnosed with major depression and unable to continue at work, I was put through discriminatory hell at my place of work (a HUGE Canadian-wide corporation who's name you see everyday) simply because I requested ENGLISH forms to apply for a short term leave. And meanwhile my father was denied an experimental trial drug which could have potentially saved his life, because before it could be administered in the province of Quebec, all the paper work about this drug had to be TRANSLATED INTO FRENCH. A delay of several months, which cost him his life....or at the very least, robbed my family of hope because they delayed too long and his tumor grew out of control. YEP, French versus urgent medical need, guess which one wins in Quebec? This drug was being used in Ontario at this time, and they denied even making an exception and giving it to him on compassionate grounds, and yes, we requested that. AND THE REAL KICKER IS GUESS WHO WAS IN POWER AT THIS TIME? NON OTHER THAN THE HOLY THAN THOU LIBERAL GOVERNMENT LEAD BY JEAN CHAREST.

      No thank you, I will NEVER vote for those so-called Liberal bastards again! My vote is going to the Green Party of Quebec. Incidentally, the only party who proudly display on their posters: "Contre la Charte des valeurs quebecois"

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    9. @Apple

      According to my husband we are voting for them too...I know all the talk about voting strategically, but I have been thinking of voting Green Party as well, just for the hell of it. Lol

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    10. Groucho Marx would be hugely successful in modern politics with his approach:"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them, well, I have others"

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    11. @Diogenes

      Politics have become a huge joke...this is what is most sad.

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  19. MONTREAL — A new poll by Léger Marketing has confirmed the Liberal Party of Quebec is ahead in voter intentions and heading toward not only winning the April 7 election but doing so with a majority.

    The poll, published in the Journal de Montréal on Tuesday, shows the Liberals with 40 per cent support, followed by the Parti Québécois with 33 per cent, the Coalition Avenir Québec with 15 per cent, and Québec solidaire with nine per cent.

    The poll, which had 3,692 respondents, making it the largest sample taken in this election, also shows the Liberals ahead in most of Quebec’s regions. It leads in the Outaouais, Montreal, Laval, Estrie, Chaudière-Appalaches, Mauricie and Quebec City regions, and slightly ahead in the Montérégie region. Its 42 per cent support in the Quebec City region, compared to 25 per cent for the PQ and 20 per cent for the CAQ, would change the map there. Nine of the CAQ’s 19 seats are in and around Quebec City.

    The Liberals’ 53 per cent support in Laval, meanwhile, would likely translate into a sweep of the city in the next election. The Liberals currently have four seats on Ile Jésus, while the PQ has the other two.

    The PQ leads in Abitibi-Témincamingue, Laurentians/Lanaudière, Saguenay-Lac-St-Jean/Côte-Nord and Bas-St-Laurent/Gaspésie/Iles-de-la-Madeleine regions.

    Bryan Breguet of poll watcher Too Close to Call calculated that with this latest poll, the Liberals have a 71 per cent chance of a majority government, and an 86 per cent chance of winning the election.

    © Copyright (c) The Montreal Gazette

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    1. I think Marois is packing her bags. This 'accomplished' politician has screwed up big time. Not that I'm complaining...

      I mean, she was 'governing' (well, sort of) then she launched an election, despite the legislation for fixed election dates she introduced, was on her way to a majority at the beginning of the campaign and now it seems that libs will probably form a majority governemnt.How stupid can the pq strategists be?... It's like the screenplay from a comedy.

      I think it'safe to assume that Marois will leave politics.

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    2. And the breakdown by age in that poll is interesting, too. The PQ is skewing old.

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    3. "Only 17 percent of people who said they were voting PQ believed the party would take steps to push for the independence of Quebec."

      You know a movement is dead when....

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    4. And it's strange because in many ways the movement was very successful but it has chosen not to celebrate any of those successes.

      By 1967 the BNA was an outdated piece of legislation, made for four agrarian provinces. It needed to be updated and Quebec was the first place to make it an issue. And then it got updated and the relationship between the provinces and the federal government changed and was brought into the modern age. So, thanks Quebec, all the provinces benefitted.

      But the other nine were all able to get on with it and for some reason Quebec got stuck in the 1970s. Maybe now it can finally join not just the ROC, but the rest of the world in the 21st century.

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  20. We live in such a crazy province.
    Politics is dominated by idiotic baby boomers pining for a dream that will never happen.
    When you get right down to it, the majority of people who support a separatist party do not believe that party will ever hold another referendum on separation.
    That's not my opinion, that's the latest poll! http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2014/03/24/le-virage-liberal-se-poursuit

    Nobody really likes the PQ, and people only support the Liberals because of the 'anyone but them' effect.

    It's so messed up!

    We've had 40 years of nonsense, of being held hostage by the PQ, and I think the past 18 months have cemented that for everybody: even when they get the reins of power, the PQ become so consumed by batshit insanity that rather than try to work positively for what people want they play petty politics and refuse to work with anyone.
    Even that charter, which most people in the province approve of, could have been approved with the help of the CAQ if Marois had even attempted to work toward a compromise.

    So I think the narrative of this election has been set. Quebecers are going to sacrifice Francois Legault and the CAQ this time around because we really have no choice and have to hold our noses and support the Liberals because they're the only ones big enough to destroy the PQ.

    We don't like the Libs and would rather have someone else. We hate the PQ and tried to get rid of them in 2007 but failed.

    So now we cross our fingers and hope the Liberals can once again defeat the PQ, and then allow the PQ to self-destruct.


    Because then and only then, with the PQ gone, can we get rid of the Liberals and start fresh. It won't work any other way.


    -Kevin

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    1. Even more amusing: the online nature of the poll makes it likely that the actual support for the PQ is exaggerated, while it underestimates Liberal support.
      https://twitter.com/clairedurand/status/448449192730849280

      -Kevin

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  21. "Libs' @phcouillard pledges to reveal his & his wife's 2012 tax return; says other leaders' spouses (Blanchet) should do same"
    Hahha, yeah that'll be the day.

    Pauline: Honey, Claude?
    Blanchet: Ouin?!
    Pauline: Did you do anything illegal or shady in the past two years?
    Blanchet: Bien sure!
    Pauline: Merde.

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  22. Laptop: $2000
    Internet connection: $50/mo

    Watching election official slams the incumbent government's statement as "nonsense": priceless... (watch at 00:27)

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  23. Anonymous Buster of Shit ArgumentsTuesday, March 25, 2014 at 12:00:00 PM EDT

    C-H-E-C-K-M-A-T-E!!!!

    According to the latest poll, Marois is already bleeding from the neck, according to the latest poll, she resorts to the same old, same old: Accusing the Liberals of corruption.

    Guys, what just happened now is the final strike: Couillard responded to the corruption bullshit by offering to publish his 2013 income statement and challenged Marois to the same, which she has declined.

    There is no coming back from that one. You cannot accuse someone of dishonesty and then balk at that challenge and maintain altitude.

    This is a train-wreck in slow-motion.

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    1. Maybe we should start calling her Saint Pauline - She is such a phony - I hope he keeps putting the screws to the witch - no one deserves it more than her and Drainville!

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    2. Vas donc te tapper la grosse Pauline pour te calmer le Ponpon,....t'aime ca hein quand qu'elle te "Press" les petit fesse pollu avec ses deux sacs vides

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    3. @Anon

      Ok that was funny, lol

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  24. L'embauche de la conjointe de Philippe Couillard chez BPR en 2006 soulève des questions

    http://tinyurl.com/kryu4ph

    Hoho!

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    1. October 18th 2013? A bit late for a laugh, is it not?

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    2. lol SR links to sites trying to claim Couillard is connected to 9/11 and links to articles 4 years old, we're lucky the article was from the last 6 months this time!

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  25. "« Je crois que nous sommes victimes d'un chef de parti, M. Couillard qui, comme il n'a vraiment rien à proposer de neuf, d'audacieux, se rabat sur des arguments de peur », a soutenu Pauline Marois."

    The irony is thick with this one. I'll fix the quote:

    "« Je crois que nous sommes victimes d'une chef de parti, Pauline. qui, comme elle n'a vraiment rien à proposer de neuf, d'audacieux, se rabat sur des arguments de peur », a soutenu Quebec."

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  26. Anonymous Buster of Shit ArgumentsTuesday, March 25, 2014 at 4:25:00 PM EDT

    Can't wait for the 27th.

    The first debate was devastating enough to Marois, but I believe that with the mental funk she's in right now, we can count on the PQ losing another three points the morning after.

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    1. Couillards releasing his income of him and his wife is great strategy.

      Popo has nowhere to hide if she releases her husbands information.

      It will become painfully obvious that she is a Limousine Separatist paid for by the unions in their backhand dealigns with her husband.

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    2. So the next debate is on March 27th? Who scheduled those debates? Are the conflict with Canadien games just coincidental?

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  27. News that McGill students are trying to vote has prompted someone to start a petition to cancel the Quebec election and call a “plublic” enquiry. Check the names of the 2665 “Quebec citizens” who have signed it… and are still signing it even today, well after the PQ tactic has been discredited! LOL

    Paaaa-niiiiiic!!!

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    1. Here is a petition to verify all anglophones registered on the voting list. Freakin' hilarious!

      http://tinyurl.com/k2yvlhw

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    2. @R.S.

      They deserve everything they get, it is their turn to be on the receiving side of nastiness....they shall be so discredited, that there will be no coming back from it.

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  28. Financement illégal: le PQ dépose une plainte contre le PLQ

    http://tinyurl.com/q823bkm

    Chhhlangg!

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    1. It's always good news for federalists when the PQ and PLQ fight with each other - it means they will never unite enough to get the votes to separate.

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    2. La devise des fédérastes : Diviser pour reigner

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    3. That's how politics works. Your problem is you haven't realized yet that separatism is just politic.

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    4. je veux un trippe a trois avec Pauline et Press 9 grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...elle pis c'est belle fesse ridder

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    5. "Financement illégal: le PQ dépose une plainte contre le PLQ"

      Now Couillard is free to bring up l'affaire Blanchet/FTQ. .......Let's see if all is revalued. Lol

      Let the mudslinging begin! Lol

      Cutieeeeeeee...more popcorn pleaseeeeee

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    6. Hey DGEQ, sorry about the whole calling your integrity and competence into question on Sunday, you know we still loove you baby. I also know we said you don;t have enough resources to fulfil you mandate, but you wouldn't mind looking into this redacted document we have here from UPAC? Sure UPAC didn't find anything in order to file any sort of charges, but here's the document, there's no location, or date or any details really, but I'm sure you'll be able to do more than UPAC to find something with much less information. I know this might look like a political party trying to hold sway and use your office for partisan reasons, but come on we've only done that, what once in the past week?
      -Love the PQ
      lmao

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  29. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTTuesday, March 25, 2014 at 6:11:00 PM EDT

    Pauline Marois gaspille $85 000 000 des Quebecois pour empecher la commission Charbonneau de devoiler la corruption du PQ et de Claude Blanchet.

    http://www.antagoniste.net/2014/03/25/la-trepanation-quebecoise-4/

    HONTEUX!!!

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    1. ohhhh! pisn c'es saggy tits.WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

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  30. Anonymous Buster of Shit ArgumentsTuesday, March 25, 2014 at 7:08:00 PM EDT

    Why is it that in Quebec, we just can't have Left vs. Center vs. Right?

    http://particonservateurquebec.org/finances-publiques/

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    1. Remember when SR wrote complete sentences? I mean it didn't make much more sense, but man has he gotten lazy.

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    2. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTTuesday, March 25, 2014 at 8:23:00 PM EDT

      @whowhatzit:

      Know why S.R. got lazy? He heard that the federal workfare subsidy that kept him employed is running out at the end of fiscal year this 31 March;)

      Hoho!

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  31. http://tinyurl.com/qebbhdw

    Hmm, when Couillard met with UPAC in a similar manner the seppies proclaimed it surely meant he was corrupt, wonder if they are of the same opinion?

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  32. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTTuesday, March 25, 2014 at 8:36:00 PM EDT

    "Scottish nationalists are putting on a much-needed clinic in how to conduct an intelligent, respectful and intellectually honest campaign — pretty much the opposite of the improvised, politically devious, and occasionally hateful propaganda festival provided by the PQ."

    http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/03/24/jonathan-kay-scotland-shows-quebec-what-an-intelligent-and-mature-separatist-movement-looks-like/

    Hoho!

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  33. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTTuesday, March 25, 2014 at 8:42:00 PM EDT

    WTF???????????????????
    Montreal shows the world why socialism is a dead end street:

    "Bixi needs Montrealers to 'show their love': Denis Coderre. City gives Bixi $4.3M for Montreal bike-sharing service's 2014 season"

    Really?? Nobody used that loser service & now more money is thrown at the same problem!!!!!
    Denis "Fat Ass" Coderre better start using those crappy bikes...
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/bixi-needs-montrealers-to-show-their-love-denis-coderre-1.2584320

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  34. More voter suppression by anti-democratic Quebec:

    This guy brought along a whole folder full of documentation proving his domicile is indeed in Quebec in order to register to vote, and STILL he was was arbitrarily refused the right to vote.

    The Shocking Way That I Was Denied a Vote in the Quebec Elections

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    1. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTTuesday, March 25, 2014 at 9:05:00 PM EDT

      @R.S. Nice story however I am not in the least surprised by the discriminatory treatment by separatists towards Canadians living in queerbec.

      Brace yourselves, Anglos, as the next step in your life in French occupied Canada will be to wear a maple leaf on your jackets, reminiscent of Nazi Germany's yellow Star of David.

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    2. Pas besoin de feuille d'érable pour les reconnaître...Lol

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    3. I, for one, would proudly wear a maple leaf on my jacket. The bigger the better actually.
      It's a sign that's welcomed all over the world :)

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    4. Me too - I have a Maple Leaf baseball cap that I wear in the sun when walking. Very proud to be Canadian and where I live, no one gives it a second glance, thank goodness - at least they have not poisoned the whole province quite yet!

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  35. They should really look into the company they buy the bikes from...

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  36. What do you think if an administration gets schooled by a bunch of secondary school students, particularly on civil rights? I would think that it is embarrassing. But it seems that this administration does not have any shame left.

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    1. Quebec values exclude exclusion... Excellent schooling for Marois and Drainville.

      Unfortunately, neither of them will watch it because some of it is in English. Didn't someone in the PQ claim that English is a foreign language in Quebec and that English is a cancer?

      So sad to see the PQ has mixed-up values.

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  37. From the party that's famous for it's outrage whenever someone says or does something out of line - demanding apologies constantly - have they EVER apologized for any of the terrible things they've done/said?
    Really, I'm curious...............the students definitely are owed one huge " we're sorry " over this fiasco.

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  38. Well I'm off to bed but before I go has anyone read today's Quebec Huffington Post? This should keep some up all night - Brent Tyler, Keith Henderson have called on Harper to step in on the election. Will have to read it in totality tomorrow but I'm sure this is going to heat things up tremendously but on what side? I don't have the link handy but will find it tomorrow - off you go ladies and gentlemen - elections in this province are never boring but there are many times I wish to hell they were.

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    1. Here's the link - God only knows what's going to happen now!

      http://goo.gl/Ce7y6P

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    2. What a bunch of morons.

      Kevin

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    1. Ouf! Quelle source! Une preuve infaillible...

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    2. @Mohammed
      "Lors de l'élection générale québécoise de 1994, elle est élue députée de Sherbrooke et devient, le 26 septembre 1994, ministre de la Culture et des Communications et ministre responsable de l'application de la Charte de la langue française3 dans le gouvernement Jacques Parizeau. Elle démissionne de son poste de ministre le 25 novembre 1994, avouant avoir voté avant d'avoir obtenu la citoyenneté canadienne. Elle reste toutefois députée4. Elle tente un retour contre Jean Charest en 1998 et 2003 mais elle est défaite."

      Had she not voted on the "good side", she would have been imprisoned for a good 10-15 years!

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    3. Lmao, oh poor Mohammed so ill informed.

      http://tinyurl.com/mm2a79k

      " Elle avait dû démissionner deux mois plus tard, en novembre; il était devenu public qu'elle avait voté illégalement au référendum de 1980 - d'origine française elle n'était pas citoyenne canadienne -."

      It's common knowledge that her voter fraud is why she stepped down in 1994.

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    4. C'est arrivé il y a 35 ans. Il a été puni (démission). Je pense qu'elle a assez payé pour ses tords.

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  40. One day, a sweet little girl named Suzie was sitting outside her house in Montreal with a box full of very young kittens, and a sign saying "Free Kittens".

    Suddenly, a line of cars pulls up, and out steps Pauline Marois, leader of the Parti Quebecois (or "Pequistes", as they like to call themselves.)

    "What have you here little girl?" she asks.
    "Free kittens" Suzie replies. "They are very young, and can't even see yet."
    "And what kind of kittens are they?" asks Pauline.
    "They are Pequistes." was Suzie's surprising answer. "Would you like one?"
    Sensing a tremendous political photo opportunity, Madame Marois says "Yes, I would love one, but I'll have to come back to get him tomorrow."

    She and her entourage leave, and arrange to have all the local media, radio and television stations meet her the following day at little Suzie's house. When they arrived, there sat little Suzie with her box of tiny cats.

    "Suzie" says Pauline, playing for the cameras; "Would you like to tell everybody what type of kittens these are?"
    "Sure; they are Liberals."
    "What...Liberals...? Yesterday you said they were Pequistes..?"
    "I know" replied Suzie. "But that was yesterday. This morning they opened their eyes!"

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    1. Whouahahahahahahohohohhahahahohohihihhahaha!Malade

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  41. This was so frustrating to listen to. "Complain to Quebec." What's the betting that any complaint would 'get lost' until after the election!? This is just a BS way of removing people's legal rights to suit the PQ.

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    1. That is precisely what it is, Mr. Cat!

      It is the antithesis of true democracy and the perfect example of the type of behaviour that Scotland does not want to replicate in order for its genuine referendum to be considered legitimate by the rest of the world.

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    2. Mrs Cat! ;) But yes, totally agree. I'm starting to think that the UN should be monitoring the election. If this was a Middle Eastern country, you can guarantee the western world would be up in arms about how democracy isn't being respected yet it's OK when it's Quebec?!

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  42. Anonymous Buster of Shit ArgumentsWednesday, March 26, 2014 at 7:11:00 AM EDT

    Dear Mme Marois,

    Please (oh please), can you give us another 'discour' on integrity?: http://bit.ly/1gB95cZ

    Hey wait... c'est quoi le "deal" avec Boisclair?: http://bit.ly/1hXAXES

    You guys want to laugh? Go on Twitter and see what the seppies are saying to justify this shit. Shows you how powerful cognitive dissonance can be.

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    1. Anonymous Buster of Shit Arguments,

      You guys want to laugh? Go on Twitter and see what the seppies are saying to justify this shit. Shows you how powerful cognitive dissonance can be.

      Care to provide links?

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    2. Boisclair is a seppie "free agent"

      One of a new breed that "work from home" permanently.

      He has shown his loyalty to the cause and must therefore be supported for life at the cost of working people and Canada.

      seigneurie requires more from the peasants.

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    3. Anonymous Buster of Shit ArgumentsWednesday, March 26, 2014 at 11:01:00 AM EDT

      @Troy

      Just follow these tags and you'll see for yourself: #PQ #QC2014 & #POLQC.

      On the 27th, the tag to follow is #Debat2014

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  43. A survey on the most racist countries in the world. Surprise; France is right up there seppies:

    http://www.eddenya.com/save/index.php/politique/2648-quels-sont-les-pays-les-plus-racistes-du-monde

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  44. "Asked if a woman wearing a niqab could call on the police for help in an emergency, a cornered Drainville had to admit, "she will have to uncover herself, but if you tell me she is unconscious and needs help, we will look after everyone."

    Wow, I made a joke to that effect when Drainville said anyone wanting any public service had to show their face, but I guess that's just how much of a joke Drainville, the PQ and the charter are.

    More on the unfocused campaign:
    http://tinyurl.com/k72wwbk

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    1. He should cover his face! Ugly looking bigot anyway. Can't stand looking at him - who do these people think they are? It's just crazy the way they sound in a civilized country! So embarrassing.

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