Sunday, November 10, 2013

Immigrants-The Real Quebec-Bashing

My 90 year-old mother came to this country almost 65 years ago and still is haunted by the immigrant experience.
She never fails to remind me that immigrants need our compassion, generosity and support, because it is a hard road to go down, as she can attest to.

Were times tough on her and my dad?
Although my mother spoke six languages (including Latin), my father four, neither had any French or English, and so the first few months were particularly difficult, until they learned both  French and English.
Almost penniless when they arrived, they shared a seedy apartment with my aunt and uncle (also immigrants) and when winter rolled around, the two pregnant women had but one pair of winter boots between them, so alternated going out.
The small apartment was dingy and poorly maintained. My mother did the washing at a neighbour's house in return for baby-sitting, a washing machine, a luxury completely out of reach. Meals were sparse and clothing donated. The only entertainment, card games with other greenhorns. My mother told me the story of looking in on my older brother sleeping in the hand-me-down crib, right beside a rat.
Yep....
Of course my father took whatever work he could get, two jobs that paid less than a decent one, with the road to middle class, decades in the making.
Their's is the story of that particular immigrant generation, perhaps an experience similar to your parents or grandparents, be they Italian, Jewish, Greek, Portuguese or East European. In those days, if you didn't work, you didn't eat.

I imagine it's a bit easier today to be an immigrant but still, every time the television airs a news story of another Montreal slum lord and the condition of his apartment building, full of vermin, bedbugs, mould and cockroaches, there is almost always a poor immigrant family staring out from behind the door.
These living conditions shouldn't be tolerated in our society, but for many immigrants, there aren't any alternatives, nobody is putting them up at the Ritz.
I imagine it's still not easy to be an immigrant, especially now with all the wealth around us, unattainable to the newly arrived.

So how should we treat these newcomers?
With respect, compassion, generosity and inclusiveness, or should we do as the PQ instructs us to do....bash them mercilessly.

Coming to a new country is hard, but infinitely harder, when you are treated as a second class citizen and that dear readers, is exactly what the PQ wants us to do, bash the immigrants into submission, reminding them that what and who they are, is unacceptable, constantly hectoring them that their upbringing, their customs, their religion and orthodoxy is unwelcome in Quebec and that they must make themselves over, forgetting the old axiom that You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

There is something perverse about a society that invites foreigners to fill the void of a falling birth rate and then complains that these newly arrived immigrants are too 'foreign.'

Let us make no mistake about it, immigrants are doing us a favour, otherwise we would never allow them in, Quebecers generally loathe immigrants and consider them little more than a necessary evil.

Quebec takes in 50,000 immigrants a year because the province is desperate to fill the void of a falling birthrate.
Without immigration Quebec's population would fall by about 25% each generation. At the present pace of re-productivity, without immigration, Quebec's population would fall from 8 million to 4.5 million people in just fifty years and that doesn't even consider the negative inter-provincial outflow. (the difference between Canadians moving into Quebec, versus Quebecers moving to the ROC.)
Those are some pretty stark numbers, representing a harsh reality.

So it remains a choice between asking Quebec families to have about 1/2 a child more per family or inviting foreigners to make up the difference.
It remains a mystery why no Quebec politician, language militant or separatist, dares bring up the subject.
Probably, because Quebecers would scoff at the idea of making any real effort or sacrifice to save their own culture or language, it's much easier to put the onus on the backs of Anglos, Ethnics and immigrants.

How is it that not even the most militant and stringent separatists like Mario Bealieu or Jean-Paul Perreault, ever bring up the subject of re-productively and the very real solution that would preclude the loathsome immigrants?
It is probably because anyone asking Quebecers to have more children will be laughed out of the room. Quebecers want their culture preserved, but not at any personal sacrifice, that is the simple and irrefutable truth. 
And so it is much easier to bring in foreigners and bash them mercilessly for not acting like locals, with the smug undertone that Quebec is doing them a big favour by allowing them to settle among us.

Most immigrants come to this country for the sake of their children and toil for decades in poverty to give their children the possibility of a better life.
Those that are unemployed of their own volition are a testament to the failure of the selection process and again who is really to blame? The politic of language weighs heavy, with those doing the choosing, making the ability to speak French more important than anything else.

If you went into a bakery and purchased a frosted cake that turned out to taste pretty awful, would you go back and buy the exact same cake week after week, year after year, all the while bitching to the clerk that the cakes the bakery sells are crappy?
At a certain point, is it the bakery's fault for your bad experience, or your own idiotic decision to  return over and over again, expecting a different cake?
Do you really think that if you add some whipped cream or remove the crappy frosting, the cake will be acceptable?
There is an obvious problem here, and if you can't see it, welcome to the politics of Quebec immigration.

Quebec has a love/hate relationship with its immigrants, they love to hate them and the real definition of Quebec-bashing is the treatment of immigrants by Quebec society.

The banning of the Hijab is just the latest element in immigrant-bashing, where in Quebec those who look different, wear different clothes or speak with an accent are systematically discriminated against in the workforce at a level unparalleled in the ROC.
Quebec suffers from the worst assimilation record in Canada vis-a-vis immigrant employment and while unemployment rates for immigrants and native-born is just about the equal across Canada,  in Quebec, immigrants suffer double the unemployment rate of native-born Quebecers.
The discrimination exists across the board and even in government.
The perverse result is that immigrants are more accepted in the English milieu and so seek employment in Montreal where Anglo employers are more tolerant and where there is less workplace discrimination.
It's ironic that French language militants scream blue murder that the immigrants are working in English, at too high a proportion.
Again who is to blame... must be those nasty English for being so welcoming and yes, horrors of horrors... so accommodating.

This is the reality of Quebec immigration, the bubbling latent racism that has finally surfaced  courtesy of the PQ who are encouraging Quebecers to embrace the Dark Side of racism, à la Darth Vader.

Every time I hear a francophone militant or journalist claim that Quebec is a welcoming and tolerant society, I don't know whether to laugh or cry, the notion delusional at best and dangerous at the worst.

I don't like to cherry pick, but a recent story on TVA underscores the reality of attitudes, especially among older Quebecers, who never really had much contact with the outside world or foreigners for that matter.  The story details rampant racism in the CHSLDs, state run senior's homes, where most of the attendants are immigrants and where the residents, who are fossils, heap abuse upon their caregivers for being what they are.
"It hurts, that's for sure," said a forty year employee. A patient even hit and scratched me. "I am told: Don't touch me, I don't want to get dirty," told another clerk, who said that he often had to deal with racist behaviour. Link{fr}
And racism permeates Quebec's public service, where immigrants and minorities are badly under-represented, with defenders of the system claiming sanctimoniously that it is 95% white and francophone, because 'les autres'  don't have the language skills.
Read another story : Racism rocks PSAC
Here's another story of a city employee suing over racism Link{fr}

A couple of years ago, I detailed the story of an Arab who submitted his C/V complete with his Arabic name for a job with a para-government agency and who was refused an interview. When he re-submitted the exact same application using a francophone name, he was immediately contacted.
Of course, he didn't get the job when they got a look at his face in person.
He successfully sued over racism and received a lump sum payment, but no apology.
A judge recently handed down a judgment in favour of a City of Montreal employee who was systematically passed over for promotion because he was Black. Link{fr}
Louise Harel, the long time Vision Montreal leader (who lost her seat in the last election) complained in a policy statement  that the City of Montreal was consistently racist in relation to its hiring and promotion policies. Link{fr}
What is the point I trying to make?
...This is the government, which is supposed to set a good example!

Hundreds, if not thousands of professional immigrants are held back by provincial licensing boards who consistently bar them from entering their fields, choosing to call into question their qualifications, offering few programs to get them up to snuff and accredited.
And so immigrant doctors are forced to drive cabs and engineers must content themselves with menial labour.
Welcome to Quebec, we are open to immigrants.....but.

I cannot imagine what Muslim women who wear the veil out of conviction, must be feeling now.
Betrayal, shame, anger,  fear, humiliation?... I imagine some degree of it all.

Never mind the Jews and the kippah, they are a highly successful, resourceful and mature community. They will cope well, most of the children will leave the province, not because they wear the kippah, but because they are not welcome and have the skills to leave.
This after a 250 year history of contribution and good citizenship.
The Jewish community understands all too well that they are being thrown under the bus, collateral damage in Quebec's attempt to rein in what it considers Muslim extremism and that the banning of the Kippah, a necessary trade-off if the Hijab ban is to appear even-handed.
No matter, young Jews will this leave this province, taking away their McGill and Concordia degrees, paid for by Quebec taxpayers, to contribute as successful tax-paying adults in Toronto, Vancouver, New York, Calgary and Los Angeles.
And those communities will be better for it. 

But the Muslim immigrants don't have as many options because quite frankly, they are generally on the poor side of the economic scale and paradoxically those that the PQ is targeting the most, are the Maghrebiens from North Africa who only speak French.
These women have few options and leaving to parts unknown, an impossibility without English.

The Charter of Hate is a poison that will infect our entire society and as the government signals that the Hijad is unacceptable, common citizens will take up jihad to sanitize our society, even where the law doesn't apply. It is inevitable, something I told you would happen many months ago.

It doesn't take a genius to understand that the law will lead to confrontation and conflict and for Drainville and company to denounce incidents of immigrant-bashing, a hollow and meaningless gesture because they absolutely knew the consequences of enacting hate legislation.

To Muslim women, even those without a Hijab, I suggest carrying around a camera or smart phone and become familiar with how to take videos.
When next accosted by a 65 year-old pur-laine idiot with purple hair and a foul mouth, just press record. These people are cowards and most will run away but the idiots who continue their nasty civics lesson, a video record will serve to show the world how far our society has degenerated. 

To those who are passionate about removing these religious symbols in public, I ask the simple question;
What will all this hullabaloo accomplish?
Will the Muslim women who remove their Hijabs magically transform into different people, poutine and maple syrup loving separatists?  Is that the fantasy?
Or are these immigrants more likely to become embittered and angry.

How will it end...badly.

Quebecers remain naïvely deluded that there will be no consequences over a religious ban, in spite of the fact that they've already had their first taste of push back, a slap in the face by the international soccer community who told the provincial soccer association that if they wished to ban head wear on the pitch, they could play with themselves (and yes, the pun was intended.)

It is the same attitude that tells us that Bill 101 never affected Quebec's prosperity, another delusion impossible to dispel.

I hope the Charter of Hate is passed in the most violent form, it will hasten the judgment day and like an addict, nothing can get better until we hit rock bottom.

208 comments:

  1. And you want to make a country out of THIS???

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    1. I love Québec!! Whats wrong with choosing who to hire? Most of these north africans dont work anyways, so whats the problem with the charter? Hijabs are also banned in some arab countries like syria and until recently turkey.

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    2. Yo, dickheaded Mark: I'm hoping you're not a troll, but from what you just wrote, I'm not sure. Watch Turkey now turn into another Islamic turkey, and giving Syria the benefit of anything is retarded in light of all Assad the sadist (an MD yet) has put those people through.. I work with North Africans in Toronto and most of them have proven to be good, conscientious workers.

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    3. Well considering what he said was racist, untrue or only partially true the troll-o-meter is getting a pretty strong reading. Hijabs are not banned in Syria, full face coverings are; hijabs were banned by a military coup government in Turkey, and still are, though it is estimated that 60% of women wear head scarves. Only 1.1% of the population of turkey is Arabic, and I don't even think the North African comments even deserves a response.

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  2. Pourquoi tous ces "croyants" tiennent-ils mordicus à porter des bouts de tissus ridicules sur leur tête?

    Bizarre,non?

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    1. Parce qu'ils ont le droit de le faire.
      Au moins, Québec à decidé en 1975 qu'ils avaient le droit.
      Mais comme on sait, le Québec est un locale ou les droits sont seulement pour la majorité.
      -Kevin

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    2. Moi ma croyance religieuse,c'est le bonhomme carnaval mais mon patron m'interdit de porter ma ceinture fléchée au travail...Injuste,non?

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    3. The editor hit the nail on the head..what the Quebecois really want is more of themselves..and the only way to get that is to make more babies. Ahh but that would cut into their lifestyle..they might have to cut off all those vacations to the south every year..the two new cars..the new house..and their personal freedom. If les Quebecois truly believed in their cause they would sacrifice but they prefer to take the easy way out.

      And when the easy way out starts to throw some other obstacles in their way then they whine again. They dont have babies..so they need immigrants..but they want only french speaking immigrants..so they end up with many Muslims. Now they dont like that. They want their cake..they want to eat it..and they want another cake delivered to them right after.

      On another topic..anyone listen to the spin coming out of Pauline Marois during their pow-wow. She comes out and says that Harper spends 10 billion to the auto industry and 2 comes from Quebec and so on...how completely misleading. Why doesnt she tell Quebecois about the entire pot. The fact that Quebec puts in 50 billion to Canada and receives about 68 billion back..thats the real truth. The real truth is that Quebec without Canada is 18 billion dollars poorer. But instead she prefers to totally mislead with examples taken completely out of context. The saddes thing about this is that many Quebecers believe these lies and therin is the real problem.

      We need someone..like Couillard. Legault and Harper to get out there and show Quebecers the real numbers..the facts..bang it home..take on all the PQ lies. Once Quebecers realize how much they stand to lose from seperation they wont support the PQ. She goes on about how strong the economy is..again cherry picking her statistics..meanwhile its clear that Quebec has been lagging the rest of Canada badly for years. I believe we are the poorest or second poorest province in Canada now..even though we have the second largest city in the country..and with all the resources at our disposal..a bilingual workforce..great education institutions..a major port..close to a huge market..and on and on. All the ingredients are there..we are poor because of the total mismanagement of this province by the PQ and Liberals over the past 50 years and the obsession with language and identity.

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    4. For a change complicated, I agree with you! Something else to remember on this day. The only way to defeat these lying a--holes is to stand up and give them the facts - straight up, in your face facts - about everything! Long past time to show this movement for what it is. I don't get why the liberals can't do this! It astounds me that everything is hush hush when the truth would suffice to clear the heads of some of these crazy people. TELL THEM - LET THEM CHECK OUT THE FACTS and make sure you tell the TRUTH! If that doesn't shake these silly people up, nothing will. IS THERE A POLITICIAN OUT THERE WITH THE GUTS TO TELL THE TRUTH? Nothing more to lose at this point guys - smarten up!

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    5. @cutie003

      " ...stand up and give them the facts (...) I don't get why the liberals can't do this!"

      it's because they don't want to lose their faithful anglo vote mate.

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    6. Dont worry missy..the anglos will vote Liberals no matter what they say and do. The Liberals could come out and say they agree with the charter and the anglos would still vote for them. It doesnt matter what the Liberals say or do..they will always get the anglo vote.

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    7. @complicated

      i still think there's a limit somewhere. it is sound strategy for the liberals not to bother too much about facts. cutie003 should be careful what she wishes for.

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    8. I know where the limit is..if the Liberals came out and said they thought seperation was a good idea. Then I think the anglos might stop voting for them :)

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    9. They are the only party available at the present time that can tell the truth complicated - all the rest, including the CAQ, have other motives than staying within Canada whereby we are much better off both socially and economically. The CAQ will not admit this = if they did, they could pick up a hell of a lot more votes.

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    10. Yikes.."tell the truth" and the Liberals does not go together. In fact that phrase doesnt go together with most political parties..they all mislead to some extent..its part of the whole political game. Anglos dont vote for the Liberals because they tell the truth..they vote for them because they are 100 percent "federalists"..even if it means they are incompetent, immoral and dishonest.

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    11. Can't disagree with that complicated - but they are still the only party in a "federalist" role (i.e. claim they are federalist) that could possibly tell the truth to the citizens of this province with any validity whatsoever. Not another party available for this task.

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    12. complicated: You wrote "we need someone..like Couillard. Legault and Harper to get out there and show Quebecers the real numbers..the facts..bang it home..take on all the PQ lies". Yeah, sure. This was done leading up to the 1980 Referendum and the 1995 Referendum. All the federalists talked about was the costs of separation, but not a damn thing positive about Canada itself.

      You also wrote: "Anglos dont vote for the Liberals because they tell the truth..they vote for them because they are 100 percent "federalists"..even if it means they are incompetent, immoral and dishonest."

      100% federalists you say? These are the "federalists" that made Bills 22, 178, 86 and 115 law and hired an OQLF zealot and 26 language police in their last mandate. YO, complicated MORON: Finding Francophone federalists is like trying to grow mangoes and bananas in Quebec!

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  3. PQ candidate wants to remove "Jewish" from Jewish General hospital and ban circumcisions.

    Link http://putbacktheflag.blogspot.ca/2013/11/remove-jewish-from-jewish-general.html

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    1. Thanks. I posted that at the end of the last blog entry, but (perhaps because of the timing) nobody noticed.

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    2. It is all part of the conspiracy to re-write history in Quebec. Remove Jewish from the name of the hospital and the Jewish contribution to Quebec society is more easily ignored. They call themselves settlers, implying the land was previously uninhabited, no native people. Unfortunately, in Quebec, starting with bill 101 and the consequent destruction and theft of non-francophone businesses, the Francophone population have been taught everything in Quebec is solely theirs. They cannot steal because everything is theirs by right. They are not guilty of discrimination, they are only protecting their culture. They are good and every one else is bad. There is nothing to criticise. There is no such thing as constructive criticism, only Quebec bashing. The Germans believed they had to protect the purity of the Arians from the threat of contamination, and had no qualms about helping themselves to the property of non-Arians. A big question is why is there a conspiracy of silence amongst Quebec historians, why do they collaborate? Is it because they fear losing funding? Rather like the allophone politicians in Quebec, I guess. All this double think creates a very unstable society.

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    3. Careful everybody, I think there is a troll at work here (ems). Either that or this is Rob Ford's alias because it looks like it was written by somebody seriously on crack in a drunken stupor!

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    4. FROM ED
      Mr sauga what are you talking about? Everythng EMS said makes perfect sense and he is right on. Why do you label him a troll?

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    5. I agree with ED. Ems's comments are obviously sarcastic.

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    6. OK, my bad. I was reading ems as if he was agreeing with what the Nazis did and how the separatists are emulating that bad behaviour (to state the least), as opposed to narrating. I thought too he was being the devil's advocate.

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  4. To the «Québécois de vieille souche»: Worried about your dwindling population? I have a solution: Get your lazy, uncompromising selves into the goddamn bedroom and get busy!

    He who lived by La Revanche des berceaux shall die by La Revanche des berceaux! It was that credo that got you the population you needed to be able to finally emancipate from the church after 200 years of their false doctrines over the last 60 years with your Quiet Revolution!

    Ever hear of the expression The cure is worse than the disease? Your backward people are as backward now as you were over that 200 year period. Until he died (mercifully) in 1967, Abbé Lionel Groulx, recited and wrote endless screeds and diatribes against those not of his ilk. In fact, he berated his own ilk much of that time notwithstanding the fact that Groulx himself was part of the establishment that caused the problems in the first place.

    To prove history repeats itself, click on the brown print and see for yourselves. For those of you who embrace this Charter, you're all this.

    Racists, whether individuals, a small group, or a whole society, suffer or share an inferiority complex. If thee is anyone out there who disagrees, feel free to do so, but before posting your rebuttal below this entry, please have the courtesy to answer the following questions:

    1. Why do the péquistes overtly berate and target those not of their own ilk so? (This is the easy question to answer.)
    2. If the PLQ is the self-proclaimed federalist party (so-called, in my opinion), why do they pass just as much anti-minority legislation, retain and maintain the OQLF as the PQ does, including the last PLQ government that hired 26 new language inspectors? (This is a much harder question to answer seriously, and I expect the trolls will have a field day with this, so don't get taken in, and just simply ignore anything and everything they write).
    3. Why are Lawrence Bergman, Kathleen Weil, Geoffrey Kelley and others who represent predominantly minority populated constituencies such Kapos and Quislings? (This is the question that I think sickens me the most)!

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    1. Mr.Sauga..

      The PLQ and people like Geoffrey Kelley have no real option other than to come out in favor of Bill 101 and the preservation of the french language and so on. If they opposed it they would not get elected..francophones in Quebec all adore Bill 101 and as you know the francophones are 85 percent of the vote so as a politician you have to back what most people support.

      Its so very easy for you to come on here day in and day out and bash the hell out of Quebec. But we anglophones living here and who cant move out easily..for work reasons, for family reasons have to deal with the constant threat of the PQ and their possible disastrous policies. We all know that the PQ are a disaster,,we know that Quebec is very likely going to enter a crisis..we know the Liberals have been pretty useless in many regards. But many of us are somewhat trapped here..we can't all just pack up and leave easily. It would be nice if Harper and the ROC passed the anglos here some sort of lifeline when times get really tough but in the end I think we will be totally sacrificed. Is Canada going to compensate the anglos for losing half the values of their propery..or find them another job..and so on..I highly doubt it.

      Whats more likely to happen is that the ROC will say we were all a bunch of idiots for staying here and we deserve whats coming to us. I have mixed feelings about Harpers strategy on Quebec..as a Canadian I do think its high time that the federal government stand up to to the constant blackmail by Quebec and stop pandering to their every whim..but again this is going to make life even more difficult for the anglos and allos living here. Its very easy to sit in the ROC and tell Harper to cut off funfing to Quebec and so om but if you were still living here Mr.Sauga I doubt you would be so smug about it.



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    2. complicated:

      You wrote: "It would be nice if Harper and the ROC passed the anglos here some sort of lifeline". Why just Harper? What do expect from ROC? Daddy Trudeau did exactly this for you. Same goes for Mulroney, Chrétien, Martin and Dion, too! In fact, Dion once called Bill 101 a great Canadian law! Think Jr. Trudeau and Mulcair will do more than Mr. Fuddle-Duddle? Dream on! What is it exactly the ROC should do for you?

      You have to go back 24 years to find people like this fellow, this fellow and this fellow who had the balls to stand up for their constituents. Do you recognize or remember them?

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    3. I would say that Harper is the most anti-Quebec prime minister we have had in our lifetime. He is deliberately bit by bit taking shots at Quebec. Again I understand it to a point but its very easy for you to cheer him on when you are conveniently living in the ROC. The anglos left here are the ones who have to live with the consequences..is Harper going to help the anglos out..of course not. Are you going to help us out Mr.Sauga..you will sit and gloat and tell us how dumb we were to stay in Quebec..very useful.




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    4. To go on, complicated, you also wrote "Its so very easy for you to come on here day in and day out and bash the hell out of Quebec".

      Sure looks that way, doesn't it? Well, it's easier now because I moved out of Quebec for good exactly 29 years and one week ago. For the most part, I loved Montreal. I was born there, every day of my schooling from my first day of kindergarten on or about September 4, 1963 through my Concordia U. convocation on June 9, 1982 (I'm assuming my very first day of school was the day after Labour Day in 1963).

      An uncle of mine passed away very suddenly just under a month before that first day of school. I contracted Hepatitis A thanks to an epidemic going around in the Montreal area three months earlier, so my last summer before starting school proved to be a very difficult one. A much tougher one for my late mother as my Hep A put her through six weeks of hell, having to sterilize every food utensil, dish and drinking glass I touched, not to mention disinfecting the bathroom every time I had to go. I was being educated before I can read about Dick, Jane and Sally and how to add 2 + 2! This particular uncle was the legend of our family for he took over his father's enterprises after his father went to an early grave. He turned those business around and smack dab in the middle of the Great Depression and was able to give employment to some men in his community who otherwise may have starved to death along with their families, back in the day when Québécois de souche had ridiculously large families at the direction of the church and its henchmen (priests) who went around with pencil and paper to keep track of who was pregnant and who wasn't and who was eating meat on Fridays and who wasn't.

      My mother's siblings are all gone now, and may they all rest in peace. My uncle, my mother's eldest brother, supported her and six of her eight siblings, his mother and including himself. For all the good he did, for all the worrying he did to support himself, his mother, his siblings and his employees (yes, his employees, too, for he realized the breadth of his responsibilities) this is how my family was repaid by the majority.

      So, complicated, it's not as easy as you think, and it's also with a heavy heart I feel this way, but I've seen too much ingratitude in my life to remain silent. If it helped, I'd shout about it from mountaintops!

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    5. Mr. Sauga further continues...Monday, November 11, 2013 at 12:44:00 PM EST

      OK, complicated, to rebut your rebuttal at 12:15pm: You're right about Harper taking aim at Quebec more than the others going back to Daddy Trudeau. Thankfully, he's doing something the others wouldn't dare do: Taking on Quebec. He didn't get into office with Quebec's help, quite the contrary. Turner, Clark and Campbell made whistle stops as leaders, all from outside Quebec. Mulroney, Chrétien and Martin were the Quebec-based mainstays who depended on Quebec voters, so it was screw you, ROC, while those Quebec Quislings were there.

      It's very refreshing and vindicating there is at long last someone who is there with a majority from outside Quebec to do what has been long, long overdue: Put Quebec in its place...hopefully once and for all!

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    6. Mr.Sauga -

      Look..many of us here are angry about what the PQ have done to this province. But you are a lucky man to have left when you were quite young and now you are safe and sound in Ontario having likely done quite well for yourself. I understand why you and many Canadians are fed up with Quebec. But there are still about 700,000 anglos living here and many thousands of allophones. Some of us can pack up and leave easily and many can't. When you left you were young and free as a wind..a great time to leave.

      Myself I am in my late forties with four teenage children..in a career with very limited possibilities..ie its quite difficult for me to just find a job in my field elsewhere. My children all more or less grew up here and it would be quite hard on them leaving now. My wife also has a decent job here and it would be hard for her to find a similar one elsewhere easily..but it would be easier than myself. Hence I feel people like me are somewhat trapped here..we are Canadian and still live in Canada yet somehow feel like our country got stolen from us. I also feel like we are going to be the main casualties if a serious fight erupts between Quebec and the ROC. I could easily see the PQ stripping away more rights for us..doing everything in their power to make living here unbearable for anglos..and the whole time Mr.Harper saying and doing nothing to help us.

      So yes there is part of me that wants Canada to get tough with Quebec. But the reality is that we are going to pay a much stiffer price than anyone else in the ROC.

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    7. @complicated

      you are a serial quebec basher with a mono-themed rant: quebec is doomed, its economy is shit, etc. and you won't leave cause job prospects aren't as good abroad.

      isn't it ironic?

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    8. look missy..life is often a lot more complicated then your simplistic view of the world. I love how the term quebec-basher gets thrown out to anyone who dares speak the cold hard truth about Quebec. The view is that anyone who criticizes Quebec is a Quebec-basher..its one of those convenient terms thrown out to shut up any opposition withouth providing any real argument.

      Go look at the debt for Quebec..we have the highest debt in this country..thats a FACT..we have the highest taxes in North American..another FACT..we are one of the poorest provinces..a FACT. Its really simple mathematics missy..you see we owe about 200 billion dollars..we are fortunate right now to be paying RECORD low interest rates on that debt. Interest rates have already started moving up since last year..they will not stay at record low levels forever..if they just move back up to normal levels..then our interest payments will skyrocket and we will be forced into major cuts and or tax increases..which will weaken our chronically weak economy further. You cant argue with math..and that missy is not Quebec-bashing..its the cold hard truth.

      You obviously have a hard time comprehending sentences also missy. I said that I am in a very narrow field..there are very few places in my field and at my level which are available easily elsewhere. That does not mean that job prospects are better here than anywhere else..it means that in my extremely narrow field it happens to be. But I think we all know that in general job prospects are better in much of the rest of the country..just go look at the latest unemployment rates across the country. Also keep in mind that our unemployment rate is also artificially boosted by an incredibly bloated government..if we had the size of government most other provinces had then our unemployment rate would be even worse.

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    9. From Ann
      @complicated. I agree with you. Mr. Sauga and the others who are smug because they are no longer in Quebec are just as bad as the separatists, because they too are laughing at other people's misfortune. There is no empathy for those who are suffering, just a general attitude of "you deserve what you get for staying there".

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    10. Ann - Could not have said it better myself. It really is quite disheartening to see other anglos in the ROC literally bashing anglos here for staying. Very easy to throw rocks when you are safe and sound. In reality they should be supporting us as should the federal government which is very quiet on this subject.

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    11. FROM ED
      Complicated, I am not reading Sauga today, I feel depressed enough without his Quebec hate. He ignores the fact that he got a cheap but good education here in Qyebec. When he went west it was when our companies were going there made it easy to get work. Ontario took 70% of the riches of this province and now he is crfying for our transfer payments. If we gave him everything we have he would ask for more..
      I think we should sit back and take it easy until the Provincial Premiers conference in December. I have a feeling big things will happen there. The mood of other provinces is like a ticking bomb and they will not be taking any guff from Marois. The publicity this is likely to cause cannot be hidden from the hoi polloi.
      The Liberals will disclose nothing until this is over. Then they can make strategy.

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    12. From Ann
      @complicated...people live in earthquake zones, flood zones, hurricane zones etc and when disaster strikes, people go in and help. They don't turn a blind eye and tell them to just leave. Yet that is what the ROC is basically telling almost 1 million non-francophones in Quebec to do....just pick up and leave! Really, how well does the refugee situation work in Syria? About 700,000 Jewish people were forced to flee Middle East countries after Israel became a country. Israel absorbed them all and helped them out, they landed on their feet. I wonder if the ROC will provide aid to the almost 1 million non-francophones who they think should just pick up and leave. Housing, jobs with benefits and pension plan etc.

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    13. Yes Ann = instead of the 20B going to the separatist government, it should be put aside to help the refugee Canadians purchase new homes outside of this place. Why should the ROC give quebec separatists this money? At least use it to assist us after we have to abandon our homes here because they have made life so miserable for us?

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    14. @cutie003

      "... At least use it to assist us..."

      welfare mindset. eeew.

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    15. Cutie, in the ideal world your idea is a dandy one. A number of Canadians as a whole could use subsidized housing. I don't remember the last year that subsidized housing was built anywhere in Canada. Even veterans, those who put their lives on the line for the sake of the rest of us, are living in squalor. Many properties under the Toronto Housing Authority are cold, moldy, have leaky plumbing and are generally too small for the number of people living where they are. Subsidized housing in place of equalization payments, even to the neediest in Quebec, is a good idea.

      Ann: I'm neither smug nor am I laughing, at least not at the minorities. If you're under, say, 55 years old, you were a student and you had choices. Ed was into his 30s, so I'm willing to yield more to his plight, but he still wasn't that old.

      complicated: While I am sympathetic to your plight, I don't feel too sorry for you because you were knee-high to a grasshopper when Bill 22 was legislated, and probably a preteen when Bill 101 and all the hatred it carried was law. You were young enough to decide what you wanted to do. You had a choice and you opted to stay despite what was happening. In all fairness, perhaps I was old enough to remember the tail-end of the good times when signs contained, or were even entirely in English. I used to drive down a street back in Chomedey that faced the back of several businesses, and I remember seeing what mounted to a graveyard of English signs strewn along the back alleys. What a waste! I also remember seeing the English portion of bilingual signs being either taped or painted over and I couldn't just think how stupid this all was. I was very resentful seeing the English language being buried because of a stupid, fascist law that made of of Canada's official languages illegal, and that motherf--king Trudeau, that so-called federalist did sweet f---all to help Anglophones like myself.

      Sadly, I can't prove what I am about to write, but seeing these goings-on made me feel this was just the beginning of something that was going to get worse. Back in 1977 I considered these péquistes as Hitlers--every damn one of them, because I know what is happening today was inevitable. I thought it would have happened sooner than it has, but I knew it would happen sooner or later. My worst fears were confirms, and these are the worst because I now don't give a damn if Quebec separates. In fact, I would prefer if it does because Quebec has become nothing but an expense.

      If my feelings and views bother any of you, tough! I made the sacrifice and left my family and many friends behind. Few of my contemporaries left when I did, but many followed before too long. Many of you kept your fingers crossed hoping it was a passing phase, how they'd get it out of their system and then return to normal. Save Ed, too many of you are sitting ducks because you chose to be sitting ducks.

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    16. @complicated & cutie003 & ann

      do like sauga and move to ontario. he seems so serene now. haha.

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    17. http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/governments-of-canada-and-saskatchewan-invest-in-affordable-housing-in-nipawin-1845175.htm

      That said the lack of such housing is a very large problem facing municipalities and the Conservatives are letting the subsidies that help build and maintain low income housing expire so there will be definitely less being built in the years to come, adding to the problem. Though I'd take the funds out of say overpriced warships before I started siphoning off equalization payments, most of that money does go to needed social programs....and some of it is wasted on stupid charter leaflets promoting a non finalized bill, but with the division and balancing of powers you have to give up some control, we wouldn't want the federal government controlling everything in the province and vice versa.

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    18. FROM ED
      Look saugie, why do you say we were young enough to leave Why do you tell Ann and Cuties and Complicated they were young enough to leave. Does it ever register in your hate filled brain that we didn't want to leave. Can you not realize we were happy here and most of us still are. I love my Quebec home and I'm certainly not going to run away from it like you did. Get the holocast fog out of your brain and stop calling us nazis because we don't want to crawl away with our tails between our legs like you did. Stop pretending that what you did was such a heroic move. The heroes are the ones wwho don't run away. Ed

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    19. Ed: Ever hear of the expression "he who fights and runs away lives to fight another day"? I'll grant you I was in high school when Bill 22 passed and CEGEP when Bill 101 passed. I felt I had no choice but to leave, and bided my time getting my cheap university education in the process. Not to worry, my parents when they were alive and working paid plenty of tax! I saw the OQLF zealots going after the smaller businesses during that time and I figured this just isn't for me, and I can't believe anyone my age or younger would want to stay and endure the b.s. that this has all manifested into. Heaven knows it was b.s. then, let alone now. Separatist sentiments ebb and tide, and while La Marwad represents the last of the Old Guard, I don't think this is the end of the separatists. There were separatists long before a political party started (Abbé Lionel Groulx, for example), and once the generation representing the Old Guard is fully consumed, it's not going to end--not by a damn longshot.

      I'm bitter because my family did good for their community and being lumped with the WASPs, who in my opiniion largely responsible for having kept the Quebec economy thriving, and in doing so did far more good than harm. Instead of lumping all the minorities who are not of their ilk, let them take out their frustrations by blowing up their churches one by one, maybe even the St. Joseph's Oratory. After all, it was the church that suppressed their advancement, not the WASPs and other minorities. Maybe La Marwad will write of her bitter life expreriences in Mein Kampf II. OK, she'll entitle it Ma Dilemme.

      Anyway, I'm digressing. The simple fact of the matter is, I had my youth and time on my side when this b.s. all started in the mid-1970s. My education and parents, due to the sudden change in the sociopolitical circumstances didn't prepare me for this "New Order" so I figured I better get the hell out of Dodge. Those of my contemporaries and younger than me who have chosen to stay did so at their own peril, and I'm not sympathetic. I am more so for you because you were getting pretty established back then, but sometimes you just have to do the hard work in relocating. Think of what today's immigrants are going through here, and having worked for immigrant Jews yourself, or so you write, you must know of their plights, and the Editor gave examples, too.

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    20. Mr.Sauga..

      First of all I have only lived in Quebec for about 13 years..spent most of my life in western Canada. So I am not a born and bred Quebecer like you and Ed. I moved here for work and family related reasons..I had an interesting opportunity work wise..my wife was much closer to her family. Living out west you have some general idea of what is going on in Quebec but you dont really know until you actually live here for many years. If I had grown up here all my life I likely would have left when I was young given that I would have clearly understood how unreasonable the seperatists were..I did not have that context since I lived out west.

      I understand very clearly how many Canadians feel about Quebec..I lived in the ROC for over 30 years..the tone I would say has deteriorated over the past 10-15 years and I understand. I also sympathize with francophones 50 years ago living here in Quebec who often had no choice but to speak english and were often subject to a lot of insensitivty from their anglophone counterparts. I can understand where and why the seperations movement started. However there is a point where people have to grow up and stop acting like babies..and I think its high time the seperartists look themselves in the mirror and ask themselves..is this continued antagonization of anglos/the ROC really mature and productive. We are at a point where it will backfire spectacularly against Quebec..Quebec is no longer such an important part of Canada economically and arguably is more of a drain than anything. So convincing Canadians to let Quebec go is getting easier and easier.

      I come back to my earlier point..there are still many anglophones and allophones living in Quebec..who cannot leave easily because of work and personal reasons. These are all fiercely loyal Canadians and somehow many of us feel abandoned by a federal government who is playing politics..its fine and dandy to get tough with Quebec but we are going to pay a very stiff price. And another truth is that many francophones are loyal Canadians who cant stand the PQ..they are doing what they can to stop them also. On top of it I sense very little sympathy or sensitivity to our situation from Canadians living outside of Quebec. Once again Mr.Sauga its very easy for you to wish the worse for Quebec since you have long left..but we are still here and we are going to suffer and undeservedly so. You are also quite fortunate that you live only a 5 hour drive from where you grew up..I am about a 28 hour drive from where I grew up. Many of us are not in the fortunate position you were back in the 1980s..free and well educated and able to start a new life just a few hours away.







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    21. FROM ED
      Mr.sauga "Ed: Ever hear of the expression "he who fights and runs away lives to fight another day"?"
      You didn't fight. You just ran away.. eD

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  5. More on the story of the vet in the Hull Hospital:

    http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2013/11/20131110-112428.html

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    1. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTMonday, November 11, 2013 at 8:06:00 AM EST

      Well it did happen in quebec. Why should we surprised by a zealous pro-french guy?
      Where's the shock? None. This was expected and will happen again. Put up with it or move out.
      BTW some quebecois dont even know what today is about.

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    2. What do you expect from a bunch of these? Quebec is devolving this way, because doing this only leads to this

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    3. @sauga

      way to reach godwin's point mate. you're super fast.

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    4. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTMonday, November 11, 2013 at 2:36:00 PM EST

      @ Mr. Sauce
      You say you are jewish. You love to display nazi symbols when attempting to make a point against the quebecois.
      Nazis did bad things to jews. You, sir, as a jewish person should be the last to link quebecois to nazis.
      You are a sick individual and you therefore prove that anglos are racists.
      You have left quebec already. Get a life.
      There will be a balkanisation of Canada soon. Don't add oil to the fire.

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    5. Un gars leaves Quebec and then goes onto a Quebec blog to complain about Quebec, part of which involves complaining about someone who left Quebec complaining about Quebec.

      Un gars says someone is a bigot, through a bigoted statement.

      Truly stupefying.

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    6. psycho - no doubt about it. Ignore - will go away. Loves to insult everyone including the editor but especially me. Doesn't have a clue as to what this blog is all about.

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    7. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTMonday, November 11, 2013 at 4:45:00 PM EST

      " Loves to insult everyone including the editor but especially me."
      Wow. An attention whore to boot. Just wow. Ontario is soooooo within your range.
      Accusing me of being a "psycho" is shameful. You are the one here 24/7.
      I served my country in uniform. What have you done, "cutie"???

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    8. Un gars mocks Cutie for stating that he singles her out for mocking, by singling her out and mocking her.

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    9. FROM ED
      Un arse likes to annoy people. He gets off on other people complaining about him. He wants to know that he has annoyed people, it makes him happy. I keep telling evreryone to ignore him. If he doesn't get answers he will go away. Cutie complains about him and that's what he wants. That's why he attacks her because she shows that she is annoyed and that's exactly what he wants. Trolls are ther to annoy us and waste time and space. No other reason. What gets me is the people who communicate with the trolls and then complain to the EDITOR about them. They make it impossible for the EdITOR to control the trolls by making too many posts fro him to delete. Ed

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    10. Mr. Sauga reiterates once againTuesday, November 12, 2013 at 6:46:00 PM EST

      Ed, Cutie and thatguy: You're jousting with the trolls. Editor has warned you against this several times. They try to goad me and I just don't bite. For the ten thousandth time, you're the ones walking right into their trap, thus, ergo and therefore my colleagues, you have nobody BUT NOBODY to blame but yourselves, and you're not doing the altruistic readers and contributors of this blog any favours with your perpetual jousting with these impudent and deleterious instigators.

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  6. Say, tante Popo did not choose a Quebecois name for her cheerleading group, Les Jeanttes? Should be Les Ginettes for a pure lane flavor...

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    1. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTMonday, November 11, 2013 at 8:13:00 AM EST

      That wasn't real quebec bashing. Try again before you're labelled a troll.

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    2. Oh I see whats going on here, it all makes sense now! Un gars seems to be under the impression that baseless bashing of everything is what you should do on the blog to not be labeled a troll. The poor guy must be might confused, oh we'll have a great laugh about this later. No Un Gars, you need to do the opposite of what you're doing now, nonsensical insults and bashing is what is bad, you need to put forward well reasoned logically consistent arguments, that's the right thing to do in the comments section.

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  7. Its interesting to observe that the PQ no longer proclaim the goal of independence based on idealism but rather try to use fear. Traditionally, it has always been fear of losing the French language and culture, with the resulting English language restrictions in the public realm, at the work place, and in educational and health institutions. Bill 101 was the result, and the recent Bill 14 proposal was an attempt to tighten these restrictions even though there is no evidence shown in a recent census that French is seriously in decline.

    More recently, perhaps in part due to the success of Bill 101, the focus now is on fear of immigrants - even those who speak French - particularly aimed at those who are culturally different. The result is the proposed Bill 60, now with a 24-28 word title that practically requires a clarity act to simplify for ordinary people, though immigrants understand it very clearly as anti-anyone who is not pur laine de souche.

    Of greatest curiosity is that both Bill 14 and Bill 60 in a diluted form could be legislated if a deal was to be done with the soft independence party, the CAQ - but this seems to be the last thing that the PQ want - so does one understand from this that the PQ fears moderates, those seeking to diffuse fear and tensions etc?

    In conclusion the PQ seem to want to create an environment of fear among French Canadians in Quebec in order to be re-elected, and see this as the way to leverage support at a time when most of the people appear rather apathetic towards seeking. independence.

    One would have hoped that such fear-mongering zenophobic politics would have died out following WW2, but unfortunately not in la belle province, though at least its only a minority PQ govt perspective.

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    1. Of course the PQ fears moderates.
      The 2012 election was absolutely devastating for the PQ. They fought as hard as they could and the insiders were convinced they were on their way to a 75+seat majority.
      To get 30% of the vote -- exactly the same as the support they had before the election was called -- was a brutal shock. To get 54 seats and to see the Liberals just a few percentage points behind and get 50 seats -- that was horrible.

      That's when they realized that in order to survive as a party they had to get as brutal, as nasty as possible because their only faint hope is to drive out non-PQ voters, either out of province or by convincing them not to vote.

      It's a dying party attached to a dying movement, but it's not going to be a gentle passing.

      -Kevin

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    2. +10 Kevin - exactly - this is their last chance to prove that they really have what it takes to run a country - protect their language and culture at any cost including those immigrants that they themselves chose to live here because they spoke french and the rest didn't matter. Now it matters - let's shame them all and push them out with the anglophones to get the No votes out of the province. I hope these new immigrants can now see how they were fooled when they chose to come to quebec because they will turn on the PQ with full force. Meanwhile, I hope they do not have to put up with too much from the sick bigots we have running around this province willing to pull head scarfs off people minding their own business and walking down the streets.

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  8. Just wanted to say that I'm listening to a former tank commander who served in WWII and when I think of what he and the other went through to save the world from what the Nazis had in mind, I can't help but think two things:

    1. Thank you to all men and women who served and kept us from experiencing what was going on in Vienna and other parts of Europe at the time.

    2. A huge blazing FUCK YOU to all separatists. These people fought the exact same mindset you guys are promoting today. When I hear either Pauline Marois or Student talking about a "freer" Quebec, it makes me sick to my fucking stomach...especially when I see pictures of Pauline's castle - since when does an "oppressed" person live in a mansion and drives more than three vehicles?

    Oh and since we're celebrating the day the fascist Nazis got clubbed like baby seals, let's take another look at how they're making a comeback today: http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2013/11/10/tania-longpre-revient-sur-ses-propos-concernant-lhopital-general-juif

    Lest we forget Tania, lest we forget...

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    1. Editor,je trouve qu'il y a un peu trop de "F word" dans ce commentaire.

      Merci!

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    2. FROM ED
      My post following is about Charles De Gaulle. I don't know what happened to his name. My first post disappeared and when I started over I must have forgot the title. Ed

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    3. @anonymous coward

      "When I hear either Pauline Marois or Student talking about a "freer" Quebec, it makes me sick to my fucking stomach..."

      like a parrot who's cage is suddenly opened? i guess the prospect of freedom can be scary to some feeble hearts.

      "...especially when I see pictures of Pauline's castle..."

      scared and jealous. killer combo.

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    4. +10 Coward - I too would like to thank all our troops, now and from the past. Our world would certainly not be the same place if not for their sacrifices on the fields of battle. Quebec would be singing a different tune. Ungrateful bunch of bigots along with the counterparts in France that were saved from the German fate. Without the troops from Britain, America and Canada, they would have fallen victim to Hitler without a doubt. Now they spit in the face of those that helped them. We too shall remember.

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    5. @anonymous coward & @cutie003

      me too me too! thanks to all the brave soldiers, present, past and future. getting rid of hitler was tops.

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    6. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTMonday, November 11, 2013 at 1:12:00 PM EST

      Thank you cutie, student et al.
      I used to be an infantry corporal with the Regiment de Maisonneuve for three years during my days as a student at the HEC.
      I however never deployed. I still have friends in the military and wish them all good.

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    7. @student

      You disrespectful little bitch.

      This is not something to mock.

      Just because you're too much of a rank coward to ever fight for what is right,
      doesn't give you license to mock the brave soldiers who lost their lives to
      protect the same rights and freedom you guys are trying to take away today.

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    8. Right on Sylvain - they make a joke of all this but that just shows their ignorance. They have no idea what it is to fight for justice and the good of all; only for themselves.

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    9. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTMonday, November 11, 2013 at 1:22:00 PM EST

      @cutie: just so I know, what have you done for our freedoms?

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    10. @sylvain raciste

      grow up mate. the brave soldiers and their families deserve better than freaks (you) who'll gratuitously attack their thankful supporters (me). time for an apology. are you humble enough?

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    11. My apology: I'm sorry you were born.

      How unfair that so many young men died so that a horrible little racist like yourself can enjoy picking on immigrants and stealing money from hard working tax payers.

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    12. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTMonday, November 11, 2013 at 2:49:00 PM EST

      @ sylvain raciste
      Like your name implies you are the racist. You keep certain discriminations well alive no thanks to you.
      What have you done for our freedoms?

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    13. @ UN PETIT PAIN DE FRANKFORT

      You're a schizophrenic who can't decide if he loves Quebec or hates it.

      And for that reason, I'm not bothering with you. Get help.

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    14. Good for you Anonymous Coward, you are bang on.

      These anti-English language french – metis (they are not French) people are no different then the Nazis, the KKK…all hateful bigots and racists…and not just in Quebec, they are all over the country.

      We know how bad it is in Quebec, with racist, language laws like bills 22, 178, 101…the name changes of towns, street names, bodies of water, buildings…all the revisionist history…but the same thing in going on outside Quebec.

      They can spin it any way they want. They see what they want to see, hear what they want to hear, and believe what they want to believe. The truth, the facts never enter into the equation.

      These people are the most racist, bigoted, corrupt, xenophobic people in all of North America. If the world only knew what was going on in Canada, what the “French” (metis) were really up to…along with the racist anti-English language laws in Quebec a la bills 22, 178, 101…they have bragged about taking all of Canada and everything seems to be going as planned…”first Quebec, then the rest of the country…one step at a time…” PET, “how to take over a country through bilingualism…” SD
      If you only knew how bad things really were…the video clips below expose some of the scams…
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW33xkVB-oI
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhPcV0gtFR0
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abOWJkf-Vh8
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iGZE6zxoKQ

      Enjoy the latest video exposing this bilingual scam…and if care please pass it on.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZz61S3sTA8

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    15. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTMonday, November 11, 2013 at 4:36:00 PM EST

      @ Sylvain the Racist:
      Why would I need help? You're the one bitching against quebec and the french here.
      You have strongly indicated that you espouse racism. I do not hate quebec: I am a pure laine.
      My antagonistic view with quebec is all about where it's heading within its strong socialistic drive.
      Sylvain the Racist. You are.

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    16. "My antagonistic view with quebec is all about where it's heading within its strong socialistic drive."

      Same here Petit Pain.

      I never bitched about the French shit either - Je suis bien capable avec la langue de Molliere.

      You're the one who hates Muslims and wants to suppress their rights.

      You might be working in Germany right now, but that doesn't change the fact that you're a small-thinking honky redneck.

      BTW, it's almost midnight over there - shouldn't you be putting that racist noggin of your to bed for work tomorrow?

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    17. Sylvain: Nice going! Ignore the trolls, like student. Cutie, I thought you knew better. You don't think I see troll postings, but no matter what they write, I ignore them. I suggest you do the same, and so does the Editor.

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  9. FROM ED
    After being an unwanted guest in England during the WWII years, he blocked England's entry into the European community. Only a few years after they gave him back his country he bit the hand that fed him. he put france's money into develo[ping an independant nuclear force in a very unstable Europe and refused to join the nuclear test ban and proliferation treaties. He actually pursued a historic rapproachment with a divided Germany. He recognized the People'e republic of China against the wishes of the United Nations. He withdrew French forces from NATO. He insisted on keping the war going in French Indo China (now Vietnam) putting his country into terrible debt. When he tried to corner the gold market, Nixon opened Fort Knox and threw a hundred billion dollars of the yellow stuff onto the open market. People had enough. When civil servants were left unpaid they went on strike, soon joined by others and every student. Eisenhower claimed in his biography that there were only two things he regretted. The first was not going into Berlin before the Russians which would have avoided a divided city and that he let DeGaulle lead the parade when they Liberated Paris.De Gaulle went on to tell the French how he had fought for them and finally achieved victory for them. The French people believed him (does that sound familier) since he controlled the press, they had no choice. Amazing how history repeats itself. Ed

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    1. ♪♫Eeeeedddd, ohhhh Eeeeeeeeddddd: Who or what R U talking about?

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    2. He's referring to Charles De Gaulle although that does not become clear until the end of his post.

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      gentlemen I did not ntice until after I published that I had not put up De Gaulle's name. So I wrote a note using the reply above to say that the following post was about Charles de Gaulle. Somehoe between my posts I get Cutie and Sylvain arguing with trolls so my posts are ten posts apart..

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  10. More Quebec bashing?

    http://www.cjad.com/cjad-news/2013/11/11/quebecers-frenchonly-drivers-licenses-invalid-in-the-state-of-georgia

    No, just common sense. Something that doesn;t exist in Quebec.

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    1. Maybe with some luck, the Confederate State of Georgia will arrest smart asses who talk to the police in that state in French.

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  11. FROM ED
    An article in the Gazette Saturday, section C 1 By jay Bryan He claims Canada put up 13,200 new jobs in October and Quebec started 34,100 new jobs. I find his hard to swallow if Quebec started 34,000 jobs where are they and why is she not bragging about them? If Quebec is part of Canada shouldn't Quebec statistics be part of Canada's.? How does Canada's total not become 47,000. have we already separated? Ed

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  12. As an immigrant to Quebec, I found this article very insightful. I left an extremely well-paid job in the oil industry in the UK to fulfill my dream of becoming a Canadian permanent resident. I chose Quebec because of its immigrant-friendly policies and some earlier backpacking experiences I'd had here a few years before. I really regret my decision to choose Quebec now. I have it easier than some immigrants because I 'look' Francophone, i.e. I'm caucasian. However, now I work in the mining industry and the PQ Government has succeeded in killing it. The investors, who are mostly anglophone, find Quebec to be an unstable province to work in and their lack of confidence is dictating the level of work here. Last year, after a solid year of work, I had $25,000 in my savings account; I'd worked extremely hard and long hours to ensure I had a good financial foundation as I entered my second year. Now it's the end of that second year and what do I have? Just $3,000. I'm heading back to UK to get work. Being honest, I'm hoping I fail my French exam with the OQLF because I'll be refused full registration with my regulated order (I'm registered as a stagiaire at the moment so I could put off the French exam for a bit longer) and then I'll be forced to leave this province and head to Alberta. I was selected by the province of Quebec as a fast-track immigrant because I had skills and education that they *needed* and my French surpassed their required standards. However, as a result of their ridiculous policies, they're losing me. I wonder how many other Quebec-selected immigrants are also throwing in the towel and going elsewhere....?

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    1. "I left an extremely well-paid job in the oil industry in the UK to fulfill my dream of becoming a Canadian permanent resident."

      that's fishy. first time i hear about a rich brit dreaming about quebec mines. can you tell me more about your old dream?

      "now I work in the mining industry"

      what metal are you harvesting mate?

      "I'm heading back to UK to get work."
      "I'll be forced to leave this province and head to Alberta."

      i'm confused. which will be the lucky state that will have the honor of your presence next mate?

      "I wonder how many other Quebec-selected immigrants are also throwing in the towel and going elsewhere....?"

      there are probably many other towel throwers like you, but fortunately an even greater number is persevering.

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    2. For sure you are not alone. I would like to apologize for the ignorant people of quebec that have forced you to make this decision but please remember, when you leave, that not all of us are like that. I hate to be lumped in with the xenophobic racists that have taken over our government in the past year. I wish you the best of luck in your new place of residence and am sure you will be treated with more respect than here anywhere else in the rest of our great country.

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    3. @Cutie003, I really like most of the Quebec people. I've been made to feel very welcome by them! Unfortunately Governments sometimes don't reflect the majority - same problem with the UK politicians!

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    4. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTMonday, November 11, 2013 at 1:33:00 PM EST

      @cutie.
      You are quebecois. Therefore and following your logic you are yourself a xenophobic racist. In fact you are so intolerant that you refuse to leave your nation quebec. People who display symptoms of delusional disorders such as yourself should seek help. May I suggest Ontario?

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    5. Anon U.K. person: First of all, please come up with an alias to identify yourself otherwise you can be removed from the blog by the Editor, and he is adamant about this. May I suggest you consider Alberta or Saskatchewan for work in the oil patch. Just because you passed Quebec immigration doesn't mean you're obliged to live in Quebec. I'm sure they sold you all kinds of b.s. about some kind of "social contract" with the "host nation" (i.e., Quebec, not Canada). Don't be fooled. Despite trying to act like an independent nation, they're just another province within Canada, that too many Quebec-based prime ministers of the past handed too many government duties they wanted to control their French ways, but as you can read above, have f--ked-up at every turn.

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  13. SUGAR SAMMY
    Cracks me up.
    Would trade Marois for Ford in a minute, and throw in Drainville for free!

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    1. I just saw him on the news lol, I agree, he is hilarious...problem is, as bad as Ford is, they probably wouldn't want to trade anyway...(sigh) lol

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  14. "that's fishy. first time i hear about a rich brit dreaming about quebec mines. can you tell me more about your old dream?"
    Nothing fishy about it. I've wanted to be a Canadian permanent resident ever since I first visited Canada. I took my gap year in Whistler, I did an exchange year at university to UBC, so why not be a 'rich' Brit dreaming about working in Canada? I never dreamed about Quebec mines specifically.

    "what metal are you harvesting mate?"
    Iron ore.

    "i'm confused. which will be the lucky state that will have the honor of your presence next mate?"
    It's pretty simple. Like I said, I'm heading back to the UK. As a Quebec-selected applicant, I have to show that I tried to make it work in Quebec first and foremost. Fat lot of good that will do me if I can't pay rent. My return to the UK is just temporary to build some savings back up while I wait for the Quebec mining to pick up. If it hasn't done so by June, I'll be going to Alberta where I can walk almost straight into a job given all my experience.

    "there are probably many other towel throwers like you, but fortunately an even greater number is persevering."
    Perseverance on no-pay will lead to misery. How much longer am I supposed to 'persevere for' considering I've been doing that for 11 months already? I have just $3,000 left and have to pay rent, food, bills, etc and now I need to factor in the cost of a plane ticket to a place that does actually have work. I'm hardly throwing in the towel if I'm planning on returning within 6 months; I'm just exercising my options that I fortunately have.

    Btw, I'm actually female so "mate" sounds weird. And your comments have an element of trolling about them...

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    1. thanks for the extra context. why don't you go to alberta straight away?

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    2. I have friends and a partner here and feel settled. I don't want to start all over again by going to Alberta unless it's truly my last option (moving house is a really expensive process). If it wasn't for the employment problems in the industry within this province, everything would be fine. That's why the preference is to go to the UK to earn extra money - can combine it with a trip to see friends and family - and then head back out to this little town.

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    3. I feel bad for you...you really should just stay out of Quebec when you come back.I'm not sure if you realize how racist, how bigoted these people are...sorry, but i have seen it all my life when dealing with the french in this country and especially in Quebec...

      Good luck, i hope things improve. I believe you will do better outside Quebec...

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    4. Student is definitely a troll - just for your info.

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    5. @anonymous

      right. it's great to learn about a foreigner who appreciates his life in quebec. not that you are a rare bird but let's say it goes against the main narrative of this blog.

      i hope iron ore prices carry on the upwards slope and that opposition parties in quebec stop systematic blocking of the new mining law. it's destructive obstruction to say the least.

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    6. @student
      You know what else is harmful to the mining industry here? A government raising royalties so high that companies don't want to mine, or a government passing a bill that the same companies are completely against, further encouraging them to pull out. Now if you want to talk about systematically blocking mining bills the PQ did it twice to the Liberal compared to their once, and for a bill will further harm the industry.

      http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/quebec-mining-companies-lash-out-at-proposed-legislation-involving-ore-processing/article12257649/
      http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/Mining+bill+defeat+major+setback/9103574/story.html
      http://www.mining.com/investment-in-quebec-mining-drops-10-still-second-best-year-38861/

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    7. Is racism more of a problem in places like Montreal with more immigrants? I'm living in a fairly small town and haven't had any bad experiences - I wonder if it's because I'm a novelty here and so people are more patient with me? The only bad experience I've ever had was actually in Montreal when I was speaking English with a friend visiting from Toronto but one bad experience in 2 years is pretty good going I think!

      Student, I hope so too. Maybe in February once companies have set their budgets, they'll feel better placed to do some work for this year. Was a perfect storm this year of Plan Nord getting scrapped, PQ Government mouthing off, and the drop in ore prices...

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    8. This new mining bill was essentially anti-mining..it would have resulted in fewer mining projects. Mining is a very risky and expensive business..if you start adding all sorts of uncertainty and extra burdens on the process then the result will be fewer mining projects. Once again the anti-business PQ has brought more uncertainty to the business community.

      As quoted in the Gazette.. Bill 43 which would have tightened up environmental requirements for mines and oblige companies to do more processing of minerals in the province. The bill would have also allowed municipalities to veto mining projects, while giving the natural resources minister the power to terminate mining leases.

      This is not going to encourage mining companies to do business in Quebec. Something you dont seem to understand student is that we need private investment in Quebec to create jobs and generate tax revenues so we can pay for all these wonderful pie in the sky social programs that socialist like youself want. Private companies who are risking their money are not going to invest if there are too many barriers making the risk not worth it.

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    9. @thatguy

      mining companies will cry if you propose a one cent hike. they are not the ones to ask if you want to figure out a fair deal. like asking if you'd like to have a tax hike. of course you'll say no. not exactlt rocket science mate.

      @complicated

      "...tightened up environmental requirements for mines and oblige companies to do more processing of minerals in the province. The bill would have also allowed municipalities to veto mining projects, while giving the natural resources minister the power to terminate mining leases."

      seems fair to me. of course some companies may think it's too tough for them, but they are companies who would like to leave a mess behind, drill through water wells, not be bothered with investing locally and not be bothered by lease termination even if their project ends up being dangerous for the population.

      quebec has to do without these.

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    10. @anonymous

      "I'm living in a fairly small town and haven't had any bad experiences - I wonder if it's because I'm a novelty here and so people are more patient with me?"

      i think it has to do with the fact that people around you are not racists. and yes you'll find some racism in montreal: the anti-french breed. a nasty one.

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    11. @anonymous

      Racism can also be found in a part of Quebec known as Bullshit Mountain.

      If you ever visit Bullshit Mountain, this is the mythical land where you'll find the likes of student, S.R and all the other "people under the stairs" who litter this blog with fallacies.

      On Bullshit Mountain, Francophones are slaves to the evil English and French is on the brink of extinction.

      On Bullshit Mountain, debts don't exist and fiscal responsibility is just one of those things that only boring Anglos practice.

      Know what else?

      There is buried treasure in Bullshit Mountain. Didn't know that, did you?

      Well, it's there and Quebec is rich beyond compare as a result.

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    12. @student

      Really? How many anti-french racism cases has been reported in Montreal compared to anti-anglo, anti- muslim, anti-jewish racism? Those poor francophones being harassed by the evil nonfrancos.

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    13. @Student
      and if you increase royalties and create such onerous legislation to business that it will be more profitable and easy to mine elsewhere, private companies will do so, it's not rocket science mate. You need to find a good balance between protecting citizen's interest and fostering private investment, the mining bill did not do so, it swung way to far to one side.

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    14. @thatguy

      "it will be more profitable and easy to mine elsewhere, private companies will do so..."

      of course. it's fortunate that the gold stays there while they plunder somewhere else.

      "the mining bill did not do so, it swung way to far to one side."

      i don't agree. i think it's fair to force companies to clean up and process locally. and i think it's fair to give power to affected communities and i think it's fair for the government to stop a pit if need be.

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    15. @anonymous

      "How many anti-french racism cases has been reported in Montreal..."

      they are not reported. but you can witness many on this blog. pay attention to comments by cutie003, anonymous coward, sylvain raciste, ed, apple iigs, james wolfe, sauga, etc.

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    16. "of course. it's fortunate that the gold stays there while they plunder somewhere else."

      Doesn't do Quebec any good if it stays in the ground, most places would be worried about having a growing economy, thank goodness for transfer payments!

      "i think it's fair to force companies to clean up and process locally. and i think it's fair to give power to affected communities and i think it's fair for the government to stop a pit if need be."

      and is it also fair to dictate processing of the material, and increase royalties by 15% at the same time?

      PWC on the bill: "the cumulative effect of various provisions of the Bill would be harmful for the Quebec economy, especially in the regions."
      The Fraser institute has knocked Quebec out of the 10 top placed to mine from it's list.

      There are none reported because the people of Quebec are not at war with each other either based on language or religion, it's just some politicians who try to sell that narrative and sadly some people believe it and unfortunately it leads to discriminatory legislation to solve non-existent problems.

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    17. @thatguy

      "Doesn't do Quebec any good if it stays in the ground"

      yes so? that's not an argument. as if it needed to be extracted at any cost. i don't agree.

      "is it also fair to dictate processing of the material..."

      sure. i already wrote that.

      "is it also fair (...) to increase royalties by 15%..."

      could be, sure. that depends on a truckload of other factors.

      "The Fraser institute has knocked Quebec out of the 10 top placed to mine from it's list..."

      top ten places in the world?!? well 11th will be just fine if it means cleaner sites and more control over to the affected populations.

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    18. "yes so? that's not an argument."
      Kind of is, unless you believe having a mining industry is irrelevant; lets not pretend that there are not already many laws in place to ensure that mining in Quebec is not done "at any cost". There's a balance to be had and as evidenced by the withdrawal of investment the PQ missed the mark.

      "sure. i already wrote that."
      So you believe it's fine for a government to tell a company if they want to open up a business they also need to open another type of business even if they're not interested in doing it? That's like wanting to open up a movie theater and the government telling you, you need to open and run a film studio to do so, but I have no experience at making movies! Tough luck, take your business elsewhere.

      "could be, sure. that depends on a truckload of other factors."
      Such as? They've not included any aspects that are beneficial to the industry so what factors are offsetting this 15%? It's not even beneficial to citizens the drop in investment partially due to the increase in royalties is effectively negating the increased tax revenue, throw in the job losses and the additional wealth and taxable income lost, and I'm just not seeing it.

      " well 11th will be just fine if it means cleaner sites and more control over to the affected populations."
      Sure 11th would be swell, if Quebec wasn't right next to the 4th best and a stones throw away from the 3rd and 8th, which means even if the miners were restricted by only being able to operate in Canada they'd still pick 3 other places rather than Quebec. Of course it means cleaner sites, because no one will be mining here, investment is already dropping, which means less jobs, which brings us back to the start of the thread and Anonymous' unfortunate situation.

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    19. @thatguy

      "lets not pretend that there are not already many laws in place to ensure that mining in Quebec is not done "at any cost"

      i never pretended that. on the other hand you pretend century old laws are still valid and need not be updated. that's crazy.

      "That's like wanting to open up a movie theater and the government telling you, you need to open and run a film studio..."

      no, it's more like having a film studio run invest in movie theaters as well. it's tough to make parallels with the non-resource sector here. as when the rocks are gone they're gone, you have to make the most of it before they are shiped away. there will always be another movie to make. so your example is not great, but still, yes, i think it's totally fair to ask a company to do first tranformation on site rather than load the raw on barges and head off.

      "so what factors are offsetting this 15%?"

      well such as what are the prices elsewhere. if quebec was third worldwide for most mining-friendly jurisdiction to me it's obvious quebec is getting robbed. what's this obsession of yours about being the cheapest thing ever?!?

      "...investment is already dropping..."

      yeah, it's a pity metal prices have dropped. i agree with you mate.

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    20. " on the other hand you pretend century old laws are still valid and need not be updated. that's crazy."
      My dear I never said we didn't need to update the legislation. I'm simply of the opinion we should replace it with something better.

      "it's more like having a film studio run invest in movie theaters as well."
      Can't say I rightly see that as being any better or more acceptable. If your only defense for this stance is you need to get as much as you can out of companies, than again that doesn't help you if you make it so onerous to companies that they simply don't mine at all. If your plan is get every nickle out of companies and hope that metals run out everywhere else so that they need to mine in Quebec, you'll be waiting for a very long time.

      "if quebec was third worldwide for most mining-friendly jurisdiction to me it's obvious Quebec is getting robbed."
      The rankings are based on a number of factors, not simply the royalty rate, including things such as stability, access to money markets, government efficiency and consistency etc. A place can be excellent for mining companies without "getting robbed".

      "yeah, it's a pity metal prices have dropped"
      A factor, but not sufficient to explain the drop we've seen in investment here in Quebec.

      http://resourceinvestingnews.com/63168-iron-ore-majors-juniors-hitch-ride-on-high-flying-price.html

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    21. @thatguy

      "I'm simply of the opinion we should replace it with something better."

      ah. well how would you do that if not by raising the people's cut, forcing companies to be clean, forcing them to process here and give local populations a say in projects that have an impact on their lives?

      "that doesn't help you if you make it so onerous to companies that they simply don't mine at all."

      of course. i think they should dig too.

      "...you'll be waiting for a very long time."

      it's money in the bank. i can wait.

      "The rankings are based on a number of factors,..."

      i know. i repeat, 11th best jurisdiction for mining in the world is fine with me. and if as you say stability is factored in this ranking, quebec should be back in the top ten as soon as stupid opposition stops the systematic blocking.

      "A factor, but not sufficient to explain the drop..."

      really? you must have had the chance to compare the drop in quebec (10% is it?) with other jurisdictions that have a similar geology and are currently rewriting their scheme. or maybe you compared the current drop in investment with other historical events, some other periods where prices declined sharply. can you share?

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    22. Stop debating with the trolls..

      Seppies are luddites. All progress is bad unless it's new taxes to take away your money and mine. All development is bad. Mining bad. Oil bad. Capitalism is bad.

      Let me translate. Take the average Quebecois retarded opinion about the charter of values (insert stupid new name) and transfer it over onto other things they understand even less. IE mining, the economy

      When Hydro Quebec wants to flood millions of acres of land, that's just fine. It benefits the FTQ construction workers and selected Quebecois.

      When a public company owned by Americans wants to dig up a bit of land 0.0001% the size of one Hydro Quebec dam, none of the right people are getting paid off or benefitting.

      There is a reason "les Quebecois" don;t have jobs and agitate for govt handouts perpetually.

      Is it any reason these companie spull out when they find themselves sitting across the table trying to discuss things with people as backward and anti-development as a PQ supporter.

      He's not interested in the jobs. Quebec doesn;t need jobs. They have replaced that with welfare and transfer payments.

      The goal here isn;t more jobs. It's simply more $ to pay more Quebecois to sit around and masturbate about their culture 24x7.

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  15. The Liberals have put out an open letter regarding the charter, wherein they put forward a more reasonable version of the bill which would see the government actually be neutral in regards to religion.

    http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/liberal-leader-says-unreasonable-pq-charter-wil-foster-discrimination-open-letter-1.1537613

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    1. haha! the liberals.

      here's what couillard said when asked about houda-pepin's (who clearly supports the pq's project) mutism: "C’est à elle de s’exprimer quand elle le voudra, mais je suis persuadé que son point de vue sera celui du Parti libéral..."

      too funny. way to create a welcoming space for mna's to express themselves right? what a renewal this couillard guy is bringing along!

      he also confirmed he won't let mna's vote according to their values on this. a nice fake unanimity just for you mate. so you can keep on thinking the pq's evil. and you'll fall for it.

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    2. I see that you're going to talk about tertiary subjects instead of the content of the letter and the opinions within, I guess that speaks to your confidence in how undefended the PQ's position is. I'm not sure I'd be going after the Liberals on allowing member expression considering the PQ just passed a party rule saying no PQ MNA can wear religious symbols.

      Your quote clearly says he said they can say what they want, so not sure why you see that as censorship, just because the PQ accused Couillard of muzzling his MNAs doesn't mean it's true. You're also making the rather large assumption about what Houda-pepin's opinion is, how can it be clear if she has said nothing? Your powers of telepathy must be very powerful. They must be working overtime to know that all PQ members fully support the charter (considering how many former PQ members have come out against it) and some Liberals want to vote against it.

      http://www.montrealgazette.com/muzzling+Liberals+over+charter+Couillard+says/9152416/story.html

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      Thatguiy, Thank you for the lnk. I've been hoping Couillard would speak out and i suspect the basic content of it will be EDITOR'S next post. I can't wait to hear what he has to say. He is so good at analyzing these documents. I'm hoping between this and the coming Provincial Premiers meeting we'll start to see some daylight. Hopeful;ly this will please Cutie who also has been waiting for a word from the Liberals..
      One thing the Liberals have lways been good at is advancing the economy.. Of course the assets should not be left in the ground, we must be the only place in the world where a hard up government would do that. Ed

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      "how can it be clear if she has said nothing? Your powers of telepathy must be very powerful."

      oh! you lack relevant information? just ask mate:

      http://tinyurl.com/lcqmvx8
      http://tinyurl.com/pzw9r7e

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    5. @ Ed
      I think he takes a rather realistic and sensible stance on the charter. Let's be honest 80% of the charter is fine, equality of gender, while already covered in other documentation, no one will argue with; having to show your face to receive services passes the necessity/restriction of personal/ freedom bar, etc. The sticking point is the 20% that has to do with banning religious symbols (mostly non christian) in order to portray government neutrality. He points out, as many of us have been, the utter hypocrisy of banning religious symbols to show the state is neutral, that isn't neutral, that's anti-religious, that's picking a side. The state can do a lot of things would go a lot further in portraying neutrality, while not restricting individual rights, remove religious symbols from government buildings, not allow prayers before government functions, remove tax exemptions from religious organizations (unless they can prove that a certain percentage of their revenue goes to charity). Instead what do they go after? The night janitor at a sub-contractor of the government for wearing a hijab. They're definitely sending a message, but it isn't one about actual neutrality of the government.

      @ Student
      The articles you sent are again pure speculation. Just because she is against Fundamentalism doesn't mean she would support the charter in part of in it's entirety, mostly because it doesn't address that problem at all. If you took the time to read Couillards letter he makes that point and draws attention to that issue. They're also making speculation based on somewhat related statements she made years and in some cases a decade ago, which are not precise enough to give a good indication of what she thinks on this nuanced topic, and secondly even if they were her opinions could have changed since then. Look at David Heurtel he was an adviser to Bernard Laundry, now he is a PLQ candidate and is strongly against the charter, or look at Francois Legault he's in a completely different party that didn't exist 2 years ago. Perhaps she simply is conflicted and hasn't decided what she thinks yet? Again all pure speculation, what is not speculation though is what Couillard's letter says and the policies within, which is the actual topic of this thread, perhaps we can get back to actual issues and more away from distractionary sweet nothings?

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      "...her opinions could have changed since then."

      of course. that's why she receives calls to voice it. but she doesn't, she's mute. my interpretation is she has not changed her mind. and couillard, in a line that recalls any old dictator, is convinced "her point of view will be the same as his party's". what a coarse joke. and houda-pepin, up to now at least, seems to be ready to trade her honor not to lose her liberal mojo and candidacy for a minister's wallet. sad sight indeed. do you get it now? or are you as naive as ed?

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      "...not allow prayers before government functions..."

      this proposition of yours goes against what you have been babling about for months now. if you think a dude can practise his religion while working in a government office why couldn't he make a prayer?!?

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    8. @student
      Again your interpretation is speculation, she might not have a fully formed opinion for all we know. Couillard's opinion is also speculation not a decree, not if we want to look at a party explicitly telling an MNA not to voice their opinions:

      (in reference to Tania Longpré saying Jewish should be removed from the JGH, circumcisions banned and hair curls banned)
      "Bernard Drainville, PQ minister responsible for democratic institutions and the architect of the Charter, said her comments are not in line with the Charter and that she must now toe the government line, "Before being a candidate she was a citizen, an individual who had freedom of speech. Now she's a PQ candidate and she must endorse, as I think she did, the policies and positions that were taken by the PQ government so far,”" Yikes!

      http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/pq-candidate-backtracks-after-supporting-removal-of-jewish-from-jgh-1.1538619

      "this proposition of yours goes against what you have been babling about for months now. if you think a dude can practise his religion while working in a government office why couldn't he make a prayer?!?"

      I was talking about government scheduled prayer sessions, as they do before some government meetings, not just some government employee randomly praying.

      Still waiting on an actual thoughtful opinion on the policy issue.

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    9. @thatguy

      "Again your interpretation is speculation,..."

      of course it is. you're free to offer an alternative. why wouldn't she publicly support her party's line if she agrees with it? as a muslim who previously was in favour of curbing religious forrays, she'd be the greatest asset for couillard and the anti pq crusaders like you. she could say i was like them before but i saw the light, yes to religion in the government! it would kill the charter. but she doesn't. why?

      "I was talking about government scheduled prayer sessions, as they do before some government meetings,..."

      there is no such thing as far as i know. or maybe you mean the saguenay town hall prayer thing? ok the mayor prays before a meeting. so? isn't he canadian? aren't canadians allowed to express their religion whevever and wherever they wish? how is this different than the sikh judge who wants to wear his religious hat at work?

      don't get me wrong, i think the prayer should be canned, i'm trying to show you that you are for the charter too. but your anti pq rage blinds you.

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    10. "of course it is. you're free to offer an alternative."
      I offered three, please refer to my previous comments.

      I was indeed referring to the saguenay town hall. The mayor should be allowed to pray before a meeting, however if it is scheduled and takes place during the meeting after when everyone is expected to show up, I'm not sure I'd really define that as "before" the town hall meeting. He is clearly mixing religion with government business, now if he want to wear a cross that's fine, he is identifying himself as a christian but he is not professing or imposing his belief through a forced prayer. Again the difference is being a christian versus espousing Christianity directly along side government business. Can a SAAQ worker wear a hijab? Sure. Can they start telling you about how great Allah is halfway through renewing your license? No, that would be inappropriate. It appears your erroneous assumption is that passively being who they are is the same as actively trying to force their beliefs upon others. A more comparable situation would be if a sikh judge stopped a trial and started talking about the sikh religion, clearly unacceptable. To assume simply because he is visibly a sikh that you know anything about the man's opinions and impartiality is just discrimination based on what he looks like.

      Any thoughts on Drainville's statement? "Before being a candidate she was a citizen, an individual who had freedom of speech. Now she's a PQ candidate".

      "i'm trying to show you that you are for the charter too."
      I am not, unless you are fundamentally unaware of what the legislation is about, you would see that. I'm for a neutral and secular state, however that is only what the PQ is saying the legislation does, when in reality it does not. No steps are taken to remove religious imagery, or names from government institutions, or state names, christian holidays will still be the recognized state days off. All of these could be done and could be done without violating individual rights to religious expression. What do they do instead? Go after non-christian religious symbols, which solves none of the problems about religious accommodation they have said are the reason for the charter, is not neutral, and violates individual freedoms for no justifiable reason. Do I support some parts of the charter? As I've said before sure, some parts are acceptable, but the the other parts of it was so unnecessary and harmful that it poisons the entire thing.

      "the anti pq crusaders like you"
      I'm not an anti PQ crusader, I'll admit and endorse when they do things that are reasonable and helpful to Quebec instead of things they do for misguided reasons or simply to increase their political power. The problem arises in that they are rarely in the right in what they do, why would I blindly support any political party if I disagree with particular policies? The PQ could easily modify the charter so that it could get the complete support of all 3 parties and the majority of the people of Quebec, and that is what they should do, and if they did I would say I support the charter, because I would regardless of what party it is from, because it'd be a good bill.

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    11. @thatguy

      "Can a SAAQ worker wear a hijab? Sure. Can they start telling you about how great Allah is halfway through renewing your license? No, that would be inappropriate. It appears your erroneous assumption is that passively being who they are is the same as actively trying to force their beliefs upon others."

      maybe that's the point where we diverge. i think a hijab tells a lot. i think it tells more than tremblay asking god to bless his meeting. it's a very "active" symbol in my humble opinion. a muslim woman will actually start being who she is when she'll take down the macho curtain. same goes for all of these things: religion is a crutch. anyone who defines himself with it is missing the point. therefore it's super flawed to claim, like you do, that someone will be less himself when he takes off his mask.

      "Any thoughts on Drainville's statement?"

      yes drainville's quote there about longpré sounds off. what i assume he meant is she'd better endorse the party's current agenda otherwise we'll start wondering if she's the right candidate for the coming election. but to her discharge, i must add that if she meant that all hospital names should change and not only the jewish then even you should agree with her. i don't think this nuance was clear from the tiny facebook spur of the moment line this controversy emerged from.

      couillard's saying that houda-pépin's opinion will be along the party line, when all she said in the past was the opposite, is worse.

      "The PQ could easily modify the charter so that it could get the complete support of all 3 parties and the majority of the people of Quebec..."

      it already has the support of the majority of the people of quebec. why should it bend to the liberals who's strategy is to fuel anti pq rage? doesn't make sense. they'd better carry on with what they think is right.

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    12. "maybe that's the point where we diverge. i think a hijab tells a lot."

      Hijabs don't speak, but if you're hearing things, perhaps you should consult a professional

      " I think it tells more than tremblay asking god to bless his meeting."

      Again, hearing things?

      "it's a very "active" symbol in my humble opinion."

      Your opinion is YOUR problem, and that problem includes Racism.

      "A muslim woman will actually start being who she is when she'll take down the macho curtain."

      Macho curtain?.. Oh yeah...you're a girl...you can stop denying it finally, not to mention...Insecure much?
      No man can make you feel less than you are unless you buy into it regardless of what you wear on your head, but you probably don't know this and that explains a lot.

      "Same goes for all of these things: religion is a crutch."

      That is again your opinion and we've already established that's your problem.

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    13. @anectote

      "Hijabs don't speak..."

      what about a middle finger pointing up? does it speak?

      "Your opinion is YOUR problem..."

      is this supposed to be an argument?!?

      "Macho curtain?"

      of course. try to get ahold of djemila ben habib's articles and thoughts.

      "Oh yeah...you're a girl...you can stop denying it finally..."

      i never denied it. nor confirmed. nor given any clue about it. nor understood why you and sylvain raciste think being sexist is a good way to build up a case against me.

      "That is again your opinion..."

      of course it is. don't you agree? or are you a bigot?


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    14. Fippin' the bird now, are we? Mmm someone just lost their cool and smugness all of a sudden. I guess we struck a nerve here too. Lol..rest my case on this thread too.

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    15. "maybe that's the point where we diverge"
      It does appear to be the sticking point. Where I believe that most religious people wear their symbols for themselves and to maintain and honor a connection with their god, you believe (correct me if I'm wrong here) that they do to foist their religion onto others or to make some of statement for others to see. I think that that is fundamentally flawed thinking because, besides being very egocentric, not once has any religious minority regardless of how "ostentatious" their religious symbols were, in any position, ever tried to convert me or talk to me about their religion or god. They wear their symbols for themselves not for you or me.

      "a muslim woman will actually start being who she is when she'll take down the macho curtain same goes for all of these things: religion is a crutch. anyone who defines himself with it is missing the point."
      Here you're buying the thinking that all Muslim women are forced to wear the hijab against their free will, which simply is not true. You are saying that people should not believe in religion at all because it is flawed thinking. Granted I don't believe in a god but it's extremely condescending of you to insult those that do, and advocate that the government should step in and promote this anti religious sentiment. In a nutshell that is why you support the charter and I don't, it is not neutral, it is anti-religious, and I believe the government should not engage in telling it's citizens what to think, even if I agree with the stance, and you support them doing so particularly if it is in line with your held beliefs.

      "what i assume he meant is she'd better endorse the party's current agenda otherwise we'll start wondering if she's the right candidate for the coming election."
      Aka toe the party line, which is what all parties expect of their candidates and members, so can we agree that member muzzling is an unfortunate quirk of our political system and is something all political parties engage in? Hard to tell if she only meant the JGH or all hospitals, don't think we'll ever find out.

      As to houda-pépin: http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201311/12/01-4709948-le-plq-prepare-un-projet-de-loi-contre-lintegrisme-religieux.php

      "it already has the support of the majority"
      Let's be honest it's more like half, but you'd rather make 55% of the population very happy (who will mostly be unaffected by the legislation) and 45% very unhappy (probably about 10% will be affected) instead of making 98% of the population happy?

      "why should it bend to the liberals"
      Because they are a minority government, and our parliamentary system of government is structured so that political parties need to work together in order to create legislation that is acceptable to the majority of elected officials who represent the citizens. For whatever reason, some have speculated political maneuvering, the PQ is operating like a majority government, and that is why they keep failing to pass their legislation, they are not playing well with others and considering the, as legitimately elected as the PQ, opposition parties. Adherence to political beliefs is fine, but to do so knowing full well that it will net you nothing, is sort of like bashing your head against a wall. If you are extremely committed to something it is better to get 80% of what you want, instead of nothing and hoping that at some time in the future you might get it all, maybe.

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  16. FROM ED
    EDITOR, I like what Couillard says in his letter to Marois and I can't wait to hear your opinion of it. I know you will explain it to us and make it understandable for us Mortimer Snerds. Ed

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  17. JUDGEMENT DAY COMES FOR QUEBEC...

    Montreal: A Nuclear Attack Would Be End Of Our World
    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1946&dat=19810806&id=vn4xAAAAIBAJ&sjid=z6QFAAAAIBAJ&pg=5188,2328269

    North Korea would target Montreal for a nuclear strike
    http://www.nytimes.com/1999/03/07/weekinreview/word-for-word-north-canadians-stopped-worrying-laughed-journalistic-bomb.html

    Map of Canadian Nuclear Targets
    http://games.juhlin.com/files/nuke_strike_canada.jpg

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    1. A newspaper article from 1981 and one from 1999...topical.

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    2. FROM ED
      Why does someone stick this shit in here. EDITOR, I feel it should be deleted. North Korea couldn't hit a barn in South Korea.. It only gets people worried for nothing. Upsetyting naive folks just to post something is disgracful. Ed

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    3. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTTuesday, November 12, 2013 at 9:27:00 PM EST

      Dear ED, this is not 1953 any longer. Do you know how many pieces of artillery the north has, within 20 kms of the border and ALL aiming at Seoul?

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  18. Hah, go look at page 1 of that Montreal Gazette article from 1981. Fitting there should be a story about the PQ stirring things up about sovereignty, referendums and language issues. 32 years later and absolutely NOTHING has changed, nada, zip. We're still locked into the same mindless debates in Quebec, spinning around and around in pointless circles. How pathetic is that? No wonder things have gone to shit here.

    Ya know, Ed, worrying about annihilation by nuclear holocaust in Quebec is at least a real and valid threat. Not make believe bullshit that doesn't exist, like fear of the French language and culture being annihilated. Or fear of religion and ethnic minorities annihilating the neutrality of the state.

    Charter of Values, Bill 14, nuclear war. Real dangers. French language and culture threatened by the use of English, Anglophones and religious symbols, that's make believe fairy tales. A Bogeyman.

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    1. I spent the past few days in Toronto, I cannot believe how some communities have grown and expanded. I go often enough for business but never had the time to look around. I must give Ed credit for one thing, "Toronto IS the city Rene Levesque built" indeed, not to mention the GTA. There are areas where I simply wouldn't live, (unappealing), but some...like Vaughan where people actually get all dressed up to go shopping, I was floored to see this! The amount of Industry in Vaughan is mesmerizing.

      All of it leads me to believe one thing, even if they suddenly repealed the language laws and scaled back on the overt racism here, (the things that hold back the province) and a real effort is made to relax their stupid fanaticism, it would take them decades and decades to catch up to the status of other cities. Things will not improve here and it is a Fact, they will get worst. If you believe we only live once, wouldn't you want to be somewhere where you are allowed to thrive each and every day? We know the truth. WE know it, this province is headed for a financial typhoon, it is only a question of time when it will hit. Language and Racism will never chase me out, HOWEVER, I am acutely aware these are the very things that hamper and hinder the already weak and terminally-ill economy further. It is in complete free-fall with no end in sight. Who the f...are we kidding, THE SKY IS FALLING! It is all about self-preservation folks, pure and simple. NO ONE will show up and be your Hero...be your own. Some people and some societies cannot be saved, but you can save yourself. There is ALWAYS a way out. Maybe not an easy out, but there always is one.

      True story:

      This weekend while we were out shopping at the Vaughan Mills mall, we ran into a guy who overheard us speaking French and figured we were from Quebec and insisted on speaking to us, a Francophone who confessed that he was a seppie for years till he understood it was a complete pipe dream. He moved away because he knew to the depth of his soul that seppies are Rottweilers who's jaw will never let go of the illusion even if it means complete devastation for them. They don't care who and what they crush in the process (even if they have to lie, cheat and steal, to keep the illusion alive), and the political elite have understood this and play it for all it is worth. Finally, he said that it kills him to know all of this and worst that he had to move because of it. He has children and he wants to be responsible for them unlike his two alcoholic parents who couldn't take care of him and his sister and had to be put in foster care when they were teenagers.

      Is it coincidence we ran into this individual? For how long do We ignore the signs? For how longer still?

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    2. @anectote

      "...like Vaughan where people actually get all dressed up to go shopping, (...) The amount of Industry in Vaughan is mesmerizing."

      you go shopping in an industrial zone?!?

      "Things will not improve here and it is a Fact, they will get worst."

      no. it's an opinion.

      "...terminally-ill economy further. It is in complete free-fall with no end in sight. Who the f...are we kidding, THE SKY IS FALLING!"

      doomsayers are funny.

      "...he knew to the depth of his soul that seppies are Rottweilers who's jaw will never let go of the illusion..."

      but you say he was a separatist before... kinda proved himself wrong, didn't he?

      "Is it coincidence we ran into this individual?"

      i confirm it was a coincidence.

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    3. "Francophone who confessed that he was a seppie for years till he understood it was a complete pipe dream."

      Ha le crack et ses effets secondaires...

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    4. Hahahahahahahahahahahhahaahhahaahhahahah....I love how the seppies are eager to refute lol...they're all over it. Well let's face it, ..they have to be, Fear is the eternal chaser!!!

      The dimwits have only proven that guy's point: Exhibit A, the trolls are the delusional Rottweilers. LOLOLOLOLOL

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    5. @anectote

      "I love how the seppies are eager to refute..."

      why do you love to be refuted?!?

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    6. AnecTOTE,

      You shopped in Vaughan Mills? I go there often. It is my son's favorite place, the Legoland. Next door, it is Canada's Wonderland. Bigger and more exciting than La Ronde.

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    7. You want to see something really exciting? Have your son take you to mattucci ct. Next time you are in town. I actually saw the house that was posted on the home page on msn last week, close-up, completely mind blowing! Meanwhile back at the ranch these imbeciles have fallen asleep at the wheel THE PAST 40 YEARS!!!! Losers.

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    8. "You shopped in Vaughan Mills? I go there often. It is my son's favorite place,"

      Pas de Donut Empire ?

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    9. @Troy
      Actually, rocmary pl, absolutely not to miss.

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    10. Now I know the troll is whacked, who frowns on Prosperity?

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    11. Pas les moyens financiers pour toyontoland?

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    12. To torture you of course lolololol,!! My greatest satisfaction is knowing that day in and day out you have no peace breathing the same air as people different from you!!!!

      Now here's the best advise I can give you twerp, ...Get a Job, ......
      Coming soon...no more handouts from sugar daddy ROC

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    13. C'est bien ce que je croyais : Stupide

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    14. Stupid is believing the crap the PQ machine has sold you for the past 40 years while everyone else grew up and made something of themselves.
      Stupid is hanging out on a blog day after day in Fear, policing it cause you're afraid of what the Anglo MINORITY might be up to.
      Stupid is refusing to see the light while it's blaring in your face and refusing to acknowledge the Truth that it is blaring IN YOUR FACE.

      But yeah... Stupid is trying to bring you out of your coma...when all we should do really...IS PULL THE F...ING PLUG.

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    15. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTTuesday, November 12, 2013 at 7:52:00 PM EST

      Stupid is for anglos that hate quebec to stay in quebec. Period.
      Kingston is such a beautiful city; it is english and in Ontario.

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    16. @UGBSDF

      Effectivement,ce sont de grands névrosés.Ce ne doit pas être joyeux de se lever tous les matins au sein d'une Nation que l'on déteste...Tant pis pour eux surtout que leur paradis n'est qu'à quelques kilomètres,vous avez dit stupide? Mdr

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    17. @anectote

      "Stupid is refusing to see the light while it's blaring in your face and refusing to acknowledge the Truth that it is blaring IN YOUR FACE."

      what truth?

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    18. S.R,

      "You shopped in Vaughan Mills? I go there often. It is my son's favorite place,"

      Pas de Donut Empire ?


      No, he does not like doughnut. He is not a Quebecois.

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    19. "what truth?"

      Je crois qu'elle fait référence à un "american preacher" quelconque.

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    20. "Effectivement,ce sont de grands névrosés.Ce ne doit pas être joyeux de se lever tous les matins au sein d'une Nation que l'on déteste"

      What are you talking about? I love Canada, we all do. You're the mal-contents bitching all the time how you're being mistreated by the ROC and you want out....poor little you......cry me a river why already...

      And this is the Truth:

      http://www.montrealgazette.com/opinion/editorials/Editorial+Quebec+profits+from+being+part+Canada/9151829/story.html

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    21. Ps...since you're unhappy with Canada and you were referring to yourself just then...I would tell you to move to France, but they can't stand you and definitely don't want you...LOLOLOLOLOL

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    22. "What are you talking about?"

      De votre venin que vous crachez sur le Québec de façon quotidienne par l'entremise de ce blogue et sur la multitudes de pages FB de "haters"...Une autre question facile?

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    23. Je vous signale que le plus grave problème en France actuellement est la présence des musulmans.

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    24. L'islam en France est un problème

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbg0XiU_kCo

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    25. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQGZDTSbddQ

      Problème d immigrations, délinquance, Islam en France

      Jamais vu un Québécois agir de la sorte en France...Désolé

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    26. You know you've hit a nerve with the trolls when they try and come back with back-to-back posts and 4..no less..lol
      I rest my case on this thread! Lol

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  19. «L'islam, une religion de violence», selon le fondateur de l'ADQ

    http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201311/11/01-4709616-lislam-une-religion-de-violence-selon-le-fondateur-de-ladq.php

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  20. Le congédiement de l'employé anglophobe réclamé

    « Si c'était un francophone en Alberta (qui aurait été victime d'injures), nous aurions aussi manifesté. Nous sommes pour le bilinguisme », prétend Sonia Mullins.

    Err...

    http://www.lapresse.ca/le-droit/actualites/sante/201311/09/01-4709031-le-congediement-de-lemploye-anglophobe-reclame.php

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  21. "Quebec takes in 50,000 immigrants a year because the province is desperate to fill the void of a falling birthrate.
    Without immigration Quebec's population would fall by about 25% each generation. At the present pace of re-productivity, without immigration, Quebec's population would fall from 8 million to 4.5 million people in just fifty years and that doesn't even consider the negative inter-provincial outflow. (the difference between Canadians moving into Quebec, versus Quebecers moving to the ROC.)
    Those are some pretty stark numbers, representing a harsh reality."

    Editor: Your figures are very interesting. I recall that you have posted on this issue previously. So the demographic reality for the traditional francophone Quebecois population who currently make up approx two thirds plus of the province's population is that, based on current birth rates and immigration rates of 50K/year, their number will fall significantly in the coming decades, that in 50 years time they may only represent 50% or so of the province's population, the balance being other ethnic groups, who are mostly in the Montreal area. So whatever happens, ethnically, and no doubt culturally, and from a faith perspective (could moslems one day be equal to or outnumber Roman catholics?), Quebec is going to change significantly in the coming decades unless either birth rates of Quebecois rise significantly, immigration is reduced, or both.

    In a further 50 years, the pur laine Quebecois will be a minority in the province, particularly in the Montreal.western region, though may remain a majority in the eastern half of the province including Quebec City. This is unquestionably a major change and may help assist an understanding of the PQs current focus on preserving the Quebecois culture in regard to restricting - at least visually - the cultures of recent and new immigrants from different cultural backgrounds from a religious faith perspective. That said, in the course of time, a generation or two is not a hugely long time, and Bill 60 will no more stop the coming changes than King Canute sitting on his throne on the the beach demonstrating that he cannot order the tide not to come in.

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  22. http://www.montrealgazette.com/opinion/editorials/Editorial+Quebec+profits+from+being+part+Canada/9151829/story.html

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  23. Have you heard this?

    The singer Kanye West cancelled his Montreal concert this November while only postponed his Toronto concert. Why is that? Montreal is not that far from Toronto. Well, it is rumored that Kanye West and his agent received a letter from the OQLF warned him that if he wanted to perform in the province of Quebec, he needed to change his name to Kanye de l'Ouest.

    :-)

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  24. thatguy,

    I am sorry, but you are acting like an idiot. You are trying to engage in meaningful conversation using sensible argument with student.

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    1. @Troy...

      Easy-does-it, I think thatguy has another Agenda, and using the Red Herring strategy (which she uses all the time) against her, LOLOLOLOLOL, quite fitting actually and pure fun to watch since she ends up looking stupid time and time again.
      She's become everyone's 'squeaky toy'. LOL

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  25. New York Times Op/Ed piece "Quebec's Tea Party Moment" http://is.gd/IyvF2d

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    1. Ah ok...Patriquin,il est fou ce Patriquin :)

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    2. Yes, he is telling the Truth so he must be crazy.

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    3. Allez voir les commentaires et vous jugerez par vous même.Si Patriquin n'est pas fou,c'est certainement un imbécile de première.

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    4. @ S.R
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC75aU47GRk

      @Editor
      Good summery of what's going on here, but I'm not sure the author really sells enough similarities between charter supporters and the Tea party, kind of seems like he threw that in there to be able to sell the story to an American audience.

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    5. All the bad things that I have said about S.R are apparently wrong. It (S.R) is not a stupid, low-educated, underachieving person. Obviously it is very smart and highly educated in the field of psychiatry. It is able to diagnose that a person is crazy (a form of mental disorder) from reading the such person's opinion.

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    6. "Allez voir les commentaires et vous jugerez par vous même.Si Patriquin n'est pas fou,c'est certainement un imbécile de première."

      Why do you feel threatened by someone telling the Truth? Lol

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    7. Les fous disent parfois des vérités mais pas dans ce cas-ci...Désolé :)

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    8. If you are so desperate to deny it all, then it must be true!

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  26. miken

    Wait a second NYT... the idea of preventing people from public displays of their religion is a liberal idea - nothing to do with the Tea Party. The Tea Party only opposes the idea of hiding your face. This was a cheap attempt by the Times to distort readers views.

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  27. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/11/11/venezuela-seizes-stores/3497003/

    """intensified his perceived fight Monday against "bourgeois parasites" """


    So many countries for Pauline to look up to for examples on how to destroy and run it into the ground.

    So little time, and she only gets to ruin Quebec once.

    Poor seppie psychopath not happy.

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    1. @adanac

      Rendez-nous service mais surtout,rendez-vous service..."Hit the 401"

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  28. FROM ED
    http://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/gouvernement-du-qu%C3%A9bec-quebec-government-demander-la-dissolution-oqlf-disband-the-oqlf
    Here is a group that can get messsages across tp Francophones. Send them your thoughts to pass on. Ed

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  29. Le PLQ prépare un projet de loi contre l'intégrisme religieux

    http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201311/12/01-4709948-le-plq-prepare-un-projet-de-loi-contre-lintegrisme-religieux.php

    Bravo!

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  30. "Their's is the story of that particular immigrant generation, perhaps an experience similar to your parents or grandparents, be they Italian, Jewish, Greek, Portuguese or East European. In those days, if you didn't work, you didn't eat."

    There are unexpected similarities. Many french canadians had a similar experience. Leaving rural Québec, thousands of them came to Montreal where they too were some kind of immigrants. They left the country to work in factories. In those days, for them too, if you didn't work, you didn't eat. One can read Bonheur d'Occasion if one is interested by this period of time.

    I am not belittling the hardship that your grand parents went through nor am I making fun of it. I understand that they most probably take a kind of pride in having made it through those tough years and succeeding in making a better life for themselves and their children. I just wonder if they were blamed for rehasing old stories and old grievances when they talked about those years.

    "...infinitely harder, when you are treated as a second class citizen..."

    Speaking of Bonheur d'Occasion, your comment reminds me of Gabrielle Roy's biography : "Quand donc ai-je pris conscience pour la première fois que j'étais, dans mon pays, d'une espèce destinée à être traitée en inférieure?"

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    1. ARE U KIDDING ME? You want to compare the québécois who just moved a few hundred miles away to Montreal, who were already citizens, didn't have to earn it or prove anything, and were already established and spoke the language with immigrants who came with broken suitcases, not a penny to their name, didn't have a Trade, and didn't speak the language? Please DO NOT insult these amazing individuals who had less than NOTHING, except courage and so much bravery and who through a willingness to work hard and make a better Life for themselves and their Families, by making unworthy comparisons. All that was required of the "Locals" was that they ..GET UP OFF YOUR ASSES.. The immigrants started way at the back of the race.

      And btw, you can take you condescension Michel Patrice ...and stick it you know where.

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    2. "Please DO NOT insult these amazing"

      Comme si tous les immigrants étaient magnifiques...Ça va la tête ToTo?

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    3. @anectote

      you lay it on too thick mate.

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    4. Well the Truth is not an easy thing to accept, but all that is thick here ...is your head.

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    5. M. Patrice,

      There are unexpected similarities. Many french canadians had a similar experience. Leaving rural Québec, thousands of them came to Montreal where they too were some kind of immigrants. They left the country to work in factories. In those days, for them too, if you didn't work, you didn't eat. One can read Bonheur d'Occasion if one is interested by this period of time.

      I am not belittling the hardship that your grand parents went through nor am I making fun of it. I understand that they most probably take a kind of pride in having made it through those tough years and succeeding in making a better life for themselves and their children. I just wonder if they were blamed for rehasing old stories and old grievances when they talked about those years.


      Your comparison of immigrants who underwent the process of immigration with those who underwent urbanization is intellectually dishonest, to say the least. Domestic migrant workers do not have to deal with the change in lifestyle, culture and systems as immigrants have. Moreover they do not have to invest much in relocating, to fight the stereotype and prejudice and certainly they do not need to prove themselves as worthy (or even more) as the host population.

      And shame on you writing that those are "rehasing old stories and old grievances". Believe me, those are not. I am a living proof. I moved here not ten years ago and I know exactly how the story goes as I experienced it first hand. And you know what? Now that I do not live there anymore, I can say confidently that immigrants in Montreal are treated socially and systematically much worse than those in Toronto.

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  31. "So it remains a choice between asking Quebec families to have about 1/2 a child more per family or inviting foreigners to make up the difference. It remains a mystery why no Quebec politician, language militant or separatist, dares bring up the subject."

    You are forgetting about Lucien Bouchard's comment about the need to have more white babies. You are also forgetting about 7$ day care and one year parental leaves, policies that contributed, among other things, to raising our birthrate above canadian average. (http://www.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/societe/2013/06/04/007-taux-fecondite-2012-comparaison-quebec-canada.shtml)

    This issue is talked about and we tried to do something about it, and our birthrate increased in the last decade. You probably missed the discussion.

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    1. You may have had a discussion but obviously accomplished diddly squat since you had to increase immigration anyway with those who today you deem undesirables and have introduced the "pants" charter to remedy "the problem".

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    2. M. Patrice,

      If Quebec has such fantastic initiatives to increase birthrate, how is it that its population growth rate is not higher than Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta? Those provinces do not even have the luxury of such policies.

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  32. FROM ED
    Outb of he lat 50 posts here, 45 of them are fucking around with trolls. Mostly you Anectote. Why have you taken our blog and given it to the trolls. It is annoying and FUCKING BORING Does it end only when you have 100 out of 100. Don't you ever think of how much needless work this gives the EDITOR? Ed.

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