Thursday, November 7, 2013

Charter of Values - PQ Remains on Script

Quebec Politicians Debate Charter of religious neutrality under the Crucifix in the National Assembly

The PQ finally deposited its Charter of Values in the National Assembly Thursday, having renamed it "Charter Affirming The Values Of Secularism And The Religious Neutrality Of The State, As Well As The Equality Of Men And Women, And The Framing Of Accommodation Requests" a dog's breakfast if I ever heard one.

You can read the entire law below;


As you can read, or as I shall summarize, the PQ presented the bill in its harshest form, applying the law to everyone who remotely works for the government, paid directly or indirectly.

The bill would even apply to those outside workers who work for private companies, but on government projects or property, like plumbers, cleaning staff, construction workers or painters hired to work on a government buildings.

The one area where the law remains vague is on the sanction, nowhere does it say what will happen to a worker who is disobeys the law.
14. After a first failure by a personnel member of a public body to comply with the restriction on wearing a religious symbol, dialogue must be engaged in before any disciplinary measure is taken by the public body, in order to remind the person of their obligations and foster their compliance.
What a cop-out!
The clause clearly underscores the PQ's reluctance to define what will happen to those who disobey the law and who exactly will enforce it.

So are we to expect the creation of the 'OQL,' L'office Quebecois de la Laicité, complete with rat lines where people can squeal on scofflaws and where government inspectors may enter schools and hospitals in an effort to ferret out religious offenders.

At any rate, the PQ pretty much stuck to the script that I described in a blog piece I wrote last week; 
No Election? Don't be so sure... 

And so the PQ is playing the game exactly as I described, coming down hard and waiting to see how the polls react.

The CAQ cannot vote for the Bill as is and will be forced to side with the Liberals in defeating the government, knowing full well that will be decimated in the upcoming election.
But to let the bill pass as is, political suicide as well and would split the party to the point of internal destruction.
It will be a political Game of Chicken and test the nerve of both the PQ and the CAQ.

For the PQ, it is a case of poll-watching.
Should the numbers indicate they can win an election toeing the hard line, then they will remain firm.
But if things don't improve, they can always make enough compromises to satisfy the CAQ and remain in power.

All this will play out into the Spring of next year but I am reminded of the famous words of Bobby Burns
"The best laid schemes o' mice an' men
Gang aft a-gley, [often go awry]"

The continued deterioration of the Quebec economy will catch up to the PQ come budget time and it will be a question of either raising taxes or presenting a several billion dollar deficit.
The real test will be job creation which the PQ is desperately trying to cover by spending billions to create jobs.
If the unemployment rate rises any further, while the rate in Canada plummets, the PQ will never survive to see the Charter of Many Words enacted.

For Francois Legault, it is clearly question of being between a rock and a hard place, leaving him with just one viable option.

Vote with the Liberals to defeat the PQ in exchange for a minor partnership in a coalition government.

My dad used to have a favourite saying;
If you can't get the whole loaf of bread, take what you can get.

For Legault, his dream of becoming Premier is dead and so it is decision time. Members of his own caucus already know the party is a lame duck.

And so the political nonsense over the Charter goes on, distracting the population from the very real economic problems that we are ignoring.

Panem et circenses.

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It's the weekend and so let's finish on a humorous note.

My son, his lovely wife and my two grandchildren came in from Brooklyn for the weekend to introduce themselves to the newest member of our family...James, born to my daughter and her husband.

That's not the story....
My son picked up a Remembrance Day Poppy and wore it on his jacket back in the Brooklyn hospital where he works.
A patient asked him what the flower on his lapel represented, because he had seen it on television, on the breast of Mayor Rob Ford of Toronto, who is making news all over the world!

HaHa!!!!

Here's something that I couldn't resist putting together. 
To readers from Toronto or Ontario, don't be offended, as they say in Hollywood, the only bad publicity is no publicity.!!!!!
Crazy Eyes!..Chris Farley & Rob Ford! Separated at Birth?

Have a great weekend!

Bonne fin de semaine!

191 comments:

  1. If François Legault had any common sense, he would be talking to Couillard right about defeating the government and forming coalition. Personally, I have preaching this since September 5, 2012.

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    1. Yes, another closet separatist, but perhaps put him in a portfolio that has to do with finance - maybe he can do some good there.

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    2. Francois Legault does have a common sense. Why would he talk with a guy who is yet to be elected to join a form a coalition with who he despise. Do I need remeber that Legault is a former PQ deputy?

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    3. If Legault does really "Love" Quebec as he says he does, he would put his province's interests first. It's pretty obvious that the PQ is stepping on the accelerator as hard as they can in order to drive Quebec into the brick wall that lies ahead.

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    4. FROM ED
      MTL , Excellent plan but I would tread lightly on that. If the separatist realize it might happen they will not call an election. Time to spring that is after she announces the date. Exd

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  2. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/news-video/video-federal-politicians-weigh-in-on-quebecs-values-charter/article15317074/?cmpid=rss1&click=dlvr.it

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    1. An error (502 Bad Gateway) has occured in response to this request.

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    2. The Internet itself has become self-aware enough to recognize when a hate-filled sourpuss is searching articles with malicious intent...

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  3. Quebec must remain French, Trudeau tells Le Mood

    http://www.cjnews.com/news/quebec-must-remain-french-trudeau-tells-le-mood?utm_source=The+Canadian+Jewish+News+Newsletter&utm_campaign=059741ea5b-The_Scoop11_7_2013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f26660a785-059741ea5b-220609553

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    1. From Ann
      S.R. there was another part to that which you neglected to mention, the part about not diminishing anglophone rights.
      "Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau said Quebec must be French “first and foremost” and that can be achieved without diminishing anglophone rights."

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    2. It's the same B.S. from any leader from Quebec. It's just a ploy to get votes from the hill-billy francophones . Nothing will change if a federal party leader is from Quebec because that leader will always cave in to the lunatics of Quebec.

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    3. Ann - he does that sort of stuff all the time. Our own little troll.

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    4. Justin Trudeau supports the racist, bigoted, xenophobic bill 101. Yes he supports a French only Kebec (proper native spelling) and forced french “bilingualism” all over the country, nice eh? Just like a daddy a French first, Kebec first bigot, hypocrite, from the province of the Qlue Qlux Qlan. Get back to the tax and spend, have not, high debt, socialist province of Kebec and shut up you parasite Trudeau, yes Kebec where you fit right in.

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    5. FROM ED
      Anonymous are you also James Wolfe? Your rants sound so similar is why I ask. Here in Quebec (Proper official spelling used by 99.9%) Guys like you are so full of hatred and misinformation. That's exactly what the separatists do.
      At least Wolfe has the balls to sign his posts. Ed

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  4. Why doesn't this law apply to folks at Bombardier, Alcoa, Ubisoft and all the other "private" enterprises sucking at the provincial teet? After all, only 45% of McGill's funding, and about 50% of Concordia's, comes from Quebec.

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    1. Actually, West Isle, there is a joke in there. Concordia U. is (shamefully) my alma mater. I say shamefully because between how the Arabic students broke school property when Netanyahu was supposed to be a guest speaker and then how a number of scandals took place between faculty and administrators pocketing a few million dollars, you can just imagine how the Muslim students would react if the Quebec government told them they can't wear hijabs and other religious paraphernalia? The Netanyahu reaction would pale by comparison!

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    2. Sauga you sillly man. Having been a Con U student on that fateful day, I can tell you that less than half the crowd that day were of Arabic descent. The vast majority were disgruntled white artists, what the editor would call "granolas"

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    3. Marco, I'll take your word for it, at least partially, because there is no shortage of anti-Sematism on all fronts.

      On the other hand, I found it interesting that on the CTV National News, the night before 9/11, just hours before planes crashed into the World Trade Centre, the news carried a story about the tension between the Arab and Jewish students at Concordia. Still think I'm silly? Ask me if I care anyway.

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    4. I was a grad student in science at McGill back then, not an artist, not a granola and not an Arab, yet I was still rooting for the crowd. I was pleased to find out that in the end the zionist war-monger did not get to speak.

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    5. Mississauga,

      Please explain to me why is it that the sentiment against the policies of the State of Israel can be said as "anti-Semitism"?

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    6. Troy, I don't have the inclination to get into what could be volumes of debate and rebuttal. The worst sentiment against Israel is by those who want every Jew on the planet dead, let alone just in Israel. One of those peoples, up until a few years ago, had it written right in their manifesto they wanted Israel blown into the sea. You can do what you want with words on a parchment, but not what is in their hearts and minds.

      More often than not, before Israel retaliates with one bullet or rocket launcher, they stand with their hands behind their backs while the enemy of the moment launches several armaments before Israel retaliates, yet after enduring what they do before retaliation, the media writes little or nothing of it. Once Israel does so much as fire one gunshot after enduring passive resistance, the media is all over Israel. I've witnessed this time and time again.

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    7. @ Mr. Sauga
      That didn't really answer the question at all. Even if the media had an anti-Israel bias, why would one presume that it is on the basis of hating a particular religious group, and not the actions of a sovereign state? Could this be the case for some people? Sure. I can't say I agree with Israel's settlement decisions, but I also wouldn't lump myself into being an anti Semite because of it.

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    8. Mississauga,

      Apparently you do not understand my question. Let me just give you an analogy, then. Hope that this will clarify.

      After the Tiananmen Square Protest, governments and organizations all over the world condemn the Chinese government. However, nobody accused them for being sinophobia. And people of Chinese descent all over the world do not feel offended by such condemnation.

      Now, the Israeli government attacked unarmed aid flotilla. They were condemned for the action. The Israeli government then apologized. Mississauga Guy felt offended and wrote that the condemnation was an anti-Semitic act.

      Can you explain the discrepancy here?

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    9. thatguy: Being the"3rd party in the conversation, I construe you as an instigator and like I wrote above, I don't have the inclination to address your question.

      Troy: What is this flotilla you refer to? Don't compare the communist Chinese government to Israel. There is no comparison. If you want an answer, then explain what this flotilla is, to whom it belongs and the incident. Too, Israel is a Jewish state that, thankfully, is a democracy and is ruled by secular law, not the the Islamic Republic of Iran where even women Christian news reporters have to wear a headscarf. News reporters in Israel don't have to wear anything in particular.

      When it comes to Israel, it's still difficult to separate religion and state because one particular religion forms the state government, so it's too easy to pretend the argument separates the Jews and the State of Israel.

      Don't you dare compare a dictatorship like China to a ANY democracy, not now, not ever!

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    10. If by instigator you mean trying to instigate a legitimate answer to a clearly baseless and offense comment you made, then sure. If you are unwilling to discuss a topic perhaps you shouldn't bring up something so offensive as calling everyone an anti-Semite for disagreeing with a state's government decisions. I have nothing against Jews and yet if I disagree with Israel you are essentially calling me an anti-Semite. For some reason you are under the impression that every Jew or every Israeli agrees with every decision the Israeli government makes, are those that do not anti Semites as well? Ridiculous.

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    11. thatguy: On my car radio today, I heard John Kerry, the U.S. Secretary of State, is upset with Israeli PM Netenyahu because Israel is building settlements on what the Palestinians consider as THEIR land. Ask me if I care what John Kerry thinks, and also ask me if I care whether my opinions offend you.

      If you don't like what I have to write, then why don't you write John Kerry and ask what you can do to join in his crusade against Israelis building more settlements. Too, why don't you go off about what Clinton did in the Oslo Accord.

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    12. So your answer is to disregard anything anyone says that is against Israeli decisions, because if they are against Israel they must be anti-Semitic and if they're anti-Semitic their point is invalidated. I'm sure that makes life easier for you not having to consider different viewpoints, because there's only one right one, everyone else is just anti-Semitic. So just to see if you're consistent is anyone allowed to say anything against, say the government in an Islamic country or will they automatically be islamaphobic? Or anything against a government in an African country or will they automatically be racist. Or does it only apply to Israel and that glaring self created chip on your shoulder? Let me guess if I find you completely off-putting, it's not because you're acting intentionally antagonistic and needlessly boorish, it's because you're Jewish and I'm clearly an anti-Semite. I'm sure the continued expansion of settlements into disputed land will really kick those peace negotiations into overdrive.

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  5. Looking at how the crucifix hangs above the speaker's chair in the Blue Room, I can imagine some angry group getting in there to tear it right off the wall, and justifiably so if this legislation ever passes. If it does pass (I'm skeptical), Quebec will get exactly what it deserves.

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  6. Article 4 of the Charter says:

    "4. In the exercise of their functions, personnel members of public bodies must exercise reserve with regard to expressing their religious beliefs."

    Yeah, right! And I remember how the Soviets wanted the 3,500 Canadian fans who dared fly to Moscow to catch the hockey Summit Series back in 1972 who were told to "exercise reserve" rooting for Team Canada at the Luzhnicki Ice Palace during the games played there. Didn't happen then, ain't gonna happen 40 years later.

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  7. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTFriday, November 8, 2013 at 6:04:00 AM EST

    Now that Denis Coderre is the new obese Mayor of Montreal, the corruption spotlight will investigate his past, unveiling his ties to the mob. Liberal Party of Canada.... Gagliano.... Coderre.....quebec..... yeah.... they'll find dirt on fattie. They did for the good ol' sponsorship scandal. They will find dirt on him... He looked bad during the Shane Doan thingy. Fatty Coderre is shady.
    Anyway quebeckers deserve the folks who run them day to day.... and the unions, the artists, etc.
    Quebeckers demanded a french speaking coach for their beloved Habs, well they have the team they deserve; very .500. Now les bien petits quebecois still bitch after getting what they want.

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  8. Mr. Sauga - Whether this so-called piece of legislation passes or not, matters little now, it's already too late. The PQ government, or any government for that matter, teaching that hate and discrimination are justifiable actions against other citizens, is a very serious danger. A critical danger. The Charter amounts drenching a small room with gasoline to the point it's flooded, handing out matches to the people inhabiting that room, and then talking repeatably about how much fun playing with matches can be. Only a matter of time before things ignite and we all get burned.

    They've actually published a bloody pictorial, a chart showing which ethnics to target. Yeah, that's precisely what it is, not some bullshit suggestion about what clothes not to wear so not offend others, or neutrality of the state. HAH, if the Parti Quebecois were in charge of the Holocaust, I bet they would word and spin it in the most positive sounding ways.

    Some will say this is just a stunt to get re-elected, and not to worry because it probably won't pass. Well, like it or not, the message HAS already gone out to the vastly ignorant and brainwashed Quebec public. That message is there are foreign entities living in Quebec and its up to the average citizen to take actions into their own hands to purify the problem. Things are going to get ugly, and fast. Essentially they've opened the Pandora's Box and there's no going back now.

    Of course you know this as well as I do. I'm more directing this towards others out there who think this will just pass...it'll all blow over and we'll get back to normality. Good luck with that. Quebec as a whole has reached a point of no return and I really don't want to be around when things finally fall to pieces, in more ways than one.

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    1. It is true, the are in full-throttle mode, but they are heading off a cliff, and from the highest an tallest. If we're smart we'll get out of the way and let them go crazy...yep...knock yourselves out. It has been my experience that, some people and some societies cannot be saved. This happens to be one of those.

      "May you get everything you wish for, careful what you wish for" Chinese proverb

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    2. Apple: Relax. Yes, the ignorant and hateful of society will internalize and consider what this government is doing as legitimate, but like the old Confederate States, they will be looked upon with scorn. They have already brought negative attention to themselves worldwide (just like Toronto mayor Rob Ford), so they will continue to be seen as a laughingstock because that's exactly what they are.

      If by some dumb luck they succeed and this wedge issue leads to separation, so much the better. Eliminating all those equalization payments and other federal goodies, it will cut our deficit in half, and Quebec will far worse than Greece because Greece at least is being supported, albeit grudgingly, by the EEC and the Euro. The Germans are pissed off big-time, but the dumbasses who decided to go to a common currency are now hearing all the I-told-you-so's by the naysayers of the day. Quebec will be out of NAFTA, and if Canada is smart, they will NEVER allow Quebec to be part of NAFTA and, if it comes to pass, the new trade deal being worked out with the EEC. Quebec will be an island unto itself. Canada will have its deal with the EEC locked up, America will have its deal as well, and good luck to Quebec trying to get the EEC into its own deal.

      I say Quebec should go for it. I won't lose a wink of sleep regardless of what Quebec ends up doing.

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    3. Well Quebec is on course to disaster, a total meltdown if you will. It's coming, and no new mayors, new governments, charters or investigative commissions on corruption will prevent it. As I've said before, Quebec is a lost cause. The only thing that can be saved now is Canada, from Quebec, by cutting it loose as soon as possible. I wonder when the rest of Canada wakes up.

      As far as Quebec's 'Charter of Hate' goes, can't the PQ just use the Not Withstanding Clause to push this load of crap through? Of course like I said, the damage is already done regardless if its made law or not. I'm just curious how much a corrupt and criminal government can get away with...

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    4. Apple: First of all, re the Notwithstanding Clause, the answer to your question, at least to this legal layman, is yes...and no. I would think they could use Section 33 of the Constitution as a weapon, but there is election strategy at play here. This Bill 60 is more of an embellishment, a manifesto if you will, to rile up everybody back to the goings-on when Bill 101 became law in 1977.

      These dumb-assed separatists are desperately seeking every and any way they can to rile up emotions, much like what happened when Bill 101 was being enforced in the late 70s. They're primarily picking on smaller businesses over the pettiest of violations, or just to stir the s--t.where there really is no violation. I remember a story on CJAD when it was still a viable radio station. There was one radio personality back in the day named Helen Gougeon talking about one small business, I think on the Main, that got in hot water because his cash register receipts printed "APR" for April instead of "AVR" for avril. All this b.s. over one letter on a cash register receipt. Now they're crazily telling Italian restaurateurs that "pasta" is not an acceptable word, and to tape over the words ON and OFF on electric switches.

      History is repeating itself, but sadly, outside Quebec, there is still a lot of ignorance and indifference. Canadians, esp. those far removed from Quebec, need to be educated where there money is being pissed against a wall, and that Quebec sees the rest of us as just their piggy bank. It is only when they realize who is draining their wallets that anything constructive will start to happen. Harper knows this full well, and the feds already said they would fight Bill 60 in the unlikely event it becomes law. Trudeau and Mulcair would just sit there with their thumbs up their rectums.

      My only hope at this point is that when Quebec inevitably hits the wall, Harper will still be PM, because if it's Trudeau or Mulcair, you can be sure it is the rest of us who will pay for Quebec's bail-out--BIG-TIME!

      As for "corrupt and criminal government" testing the limits, look how far Hitler and Milosovic in Serbia went. Remember what the Hutus did to the Tutsies in Rwanda just 19 short years ago? Really, Apple!

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  9. "George V Peretz

    guys, we must spread the voice about THE BIG cultural gaps between Quebec and Montreal, if we are not eloquence with ROC we'll be always associated as quebecois .. We are not Quebecers and We'll never be .. Personally I cannot blame Trudeault (sic) and the others ... This is COMPLETELY OUR FAULT .. we must to inculcate and accept our difference between us and quebec ."

    Et ce gros con parasite le Québec...comment pouvons-nous tolérer des spécimens semblables?

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    1. You don't have to s.r. You don't have to, LOLOLOLOLOL Montreal-City-State !!

      One last thing s.r. you express disdain for someone who insists on drawing a line between Montrealers and quebecers, because he ascertains we r different, but aren't you doing the same thing when you draw a line between quebecers and Canadians? He is only stating what you state all the time except that you called him "con", for what he said, I suppose then, you are one too? (It's rhetorical, lol)

      Do you not see and understand how your complete lack of objectivity strips you of all credibility. You are not better than anyone else, the rules apply to EVERYONE. If Canada can be split up because that's what Quebec wants, well guess what buddy, Quebec can be split up too cause that is what Montreal wants! "YOU are not Special"

      And another thing, you are always putting Montreal down, but you want to hang on to us? WTF...you can't even manage to be consistent on that front.

      The utter nonsense and hypocrisy out of you is beguiling. How you even look at yourself in the mirror each day, is beyond me.

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    2. "Montreal-City-State"

      Évidemment...Vous êtes incapables de réunir 12 mangeurs de Donuts sur un coin de rue et vous jugez ma crédibilité?Mdr

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  10. FROM ED
    Speaking of Sir Robby, the damn bill reminds me of his Address to The Haggis, hard to nderstand and God knows why it was written. The haggis deserved the respect that the bill doesn't.
    Like you EDITOR I'm looking for an election. If Legault goes with Libs on this bill, he would probably also back them in an election to stay alive. He knows if the PQ dies he will at least lead the loyal opposition Ed.

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  11. Interesting the abbreviation for this new law "CATVOSATRNOTSAWATEOMAWATFOAR"

    Who dreamed up the name for this bill....??? The name is as ridiculous as the bill itself.

    Only in Quebec, you say. I doubt very much if Bernard Drainville can recite the full name of the bill without a prompter.

    Would be hilarious is it wasn't so ridiculous.

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    1. FROM ED
      "CATVOSATRNOTSAWATEOMAWATFOAR" The name is simple itmeans
      A CAT NAMED VOSTTRANOT AWATES OMA BUT WHAT FOR. a translation from ancient Gaullanese. It has bad spelling that's al.l. If it was in French they wouldn't understand it. Ed

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  12. Re - media, politics in Canada…

    Record federal debt In Canada, record provincial debt in Ontario, Quebec…racist anti – English language laws (bills 22, 178, 101…) in Quebec, corruption hearings, fraud, money laundering in governments all over Quebec, Ottawa, TO…and what’s the mainstream media focused on in Canada? The drama, the soap opera of a fat mayor in Toronto and a few Senators who got caught scamming the public again...



    You bloody idiots in the media who continue down this path of brain dead, sensationalist media stories have no idea what people care about any longer. You are so out of touch with reality.



    As debt mounts in all levels of government you clowns are focused on this tabloid, biker gang, Quebec style, soap opera BS coming from idiot politicians…



    Here let me do some work for you clowns.



    Here is what thinking, informed Canadians want. We want government reduced, we want debt reduced, and we want our taxes reduced and government out of our lives…



    We are sick and tired of government creating all of these problems to begin with and then pretending to fix them and costing us more money in the process.



    It’s really pathetic. You clowns will do and say anything to stay in the public eye, to make yourselves relevant and the media just eats it up...what a joke.

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  13. Rob Ford envisagerait de se faire traiter

    ...De gros détritus

    http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201311/08/01-4708681-rob-ford-envisagerait-de-se-faire-traiter.php

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    1. Way to go seperatist troll. What about drug addict Boisclair? Smoking pot while minister.

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    2. Boisclair was doing cocaine Liam - pot wouldn't have been anywhere near as bad as far as I'm concerned but coke is a different matter.
      None of us on this blog give a damn about Rob Ford anyway; don't why troll keeps bringing it up. We have more than enough to deal with with our own criminals that run rampant all over this province without worrying about one man from Ontario.

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  14. Here is Howard G's latest editoriak, Not about the US this time but actually focused closer to home. Not sure if you all agree with Howard but , he does make some good points about the media and the history of the Quebec/ Separatist boondoggle in Canada.

    http://www.galganov.com/editorials.asp?id=1589

    I am sure SR will find this educational. LOL


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    1. Comment ce simili-Texan du "far west" canayen fait pour caler son chapeau sur sa grosse tête,j'ai comme l'impression qu'il se donne un peu trop d'importance,non?

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    2. A great piece by Howard Galganov, nothing but the truth...sell your homes, be smart, get the hell out of the racist province of Quebec ASAP.

      As for all you french bigots outside of Quebec...your time is coming, hopefully soon bigots, hopefully soon...

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    3. From Ann
      While Galganov makes some very valid points, his tone and attitude is one of arrogance. Yes, the anglophone community and indeed the Jewish community had for years gone the appeasement route and that is part of why we are in the situation we are in today..but the fault also lies with the francophone majority...the ones who are now protesting the charter should have been out there protesting repressive language laws. Even now the business leaders who are against the charter and are against what is happening in Quebec economically, are too afraid to speak out lest it cut into their business. The appeasement and silence from those who disagree with the government's policies...and people fleeing instead of fighting has contributed to this problem. Not to mention the ignorant masses who first allowed Duplessis and the Church to control their thinking and now allow the PQ to control their thinking. In other words, this generation is just following the same mindset as the last generation. The Quiet Revolution didn't really teach them how to think for themselves. It is simply the flip side of the same coin. As for Galganov, his attitude is extremely abrasive and that is likely part of the reason why people didn't want him representing the community. A person can fight for what they believe in and get people on board without being cocky and abrasive.

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    4. @ SR

      Not that I wish to indulge you in any intelligent dialogue, which would be an impossible task. . WE Have a saying out west: (Big Hats No Cattle) . Of course that could be extended to Quebec. Grosse chapeax avec pas l'argent. On the comment about the oilsands you obviously didn't take the time to read the article I posted regarding the fairy godmother and Quebec. The oilsands contribution to the Canadian hydrocarbon emission is very small. More likely the cars on Decarie and similar auto-routes are larger contributors. Tu as une bonne fin de semaine. When you drink your next beer , think of where the money originated to subsidize your artificial standard of living.

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  15. Sables bitumineux: l'industrie plaide son impuissance à réduire ses émissions

    http://www.lapresse.ca/environnement/201311/08/01-4708686-sables-bitumineux-lindustrie-plaide-son-impuissance-a-reduire-ses-emissions.php

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  16. Barry Wilson's Editorial at noon today.

    http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/postscript-pq-needs-rebranding-decency-1.1533775

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    1. I saw on today's news that Russia has a new law - 20 years jail time for separatists - lol. We can start with Miss Piggy and work our way down until we run out of space in jail.

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    2. Also see Mutsumi Takahashi's latest interview with Drainville...

      http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1534543

      I get the feeling she walked away in disgust as soon as the interview ended and the cameras turned off.

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    3. There are a lot of us that are disgusted with these divisive political tactics Apple - very depressing indeed:

      http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/quebec-inclusif-demands-mobilization-against-charter-1.1534115

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    4. Cutie and Apple: Thank you both for the news links.

      Cutie, I like to think we're better than the Russians even if the péquists are annoying enough to give an Aspirin a headache.

      Apple: I think Mitsumi walked away from that interview laughing at Mr. Brain Drain. What a cretin!

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    5. No offense to Mrs.Takahashi but she was way too flustered in the interview and did not take him to task on his completely contradictory ideas, nor called him on the unenforceable aspects of the law.

      What happens if someone doesn't take off their symbol? They will. No, but what if they don't? I think they will. Ok but if they don't what will happen to them. We'll sit down and convince them. And if that doesn't work? I don't think it'll come to that.

      For someone who thinks this law is so just and need to be put in place he sure won't say they'll be firing people for not complying. He also always cites religious accommodations as being the impetus for the bill yet the (very few) cases he cites have nothing to do with religious symbols and the gender ones he refers to are already handled by the Quebec human rights commission (as gender equality is already protected), or in the case of the YMCA was worked out by the members without any government intervention. Daycares need to abide by it but not private schools because of the ages? A 6 month old can't even understand language but they think they'll be swayed to a certain religion after seeing a hijab? While the 6 year old who is impressionable is fine, I know education isn't the PQ's forte (they think learning multiple languages at a younger age is more difficult) but crack a childhood development book sometime. He finds limiting beards is a ridiculous notion, yet he is bringing in the clothing police, who will be measuring cross size.

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    6. Sorry Mr. Sagua - I do not consider the separatists just "an annoyance" any longer - they are a definite danger to the country and to those of us that reside here. Their laws and charters and killing us economically and socially. If we could put them in prison (their leaders that is) I would find that justifiable at this point. I'm not better than the Russians any more. That's just how I feel.

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    7. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTSaturday, November 9, 2013 at 3:38:00 PM EST

      "cutie" says:
      "Sorry Mr. Sagua - I do not consider the separatists just "an annoyance" any longer - they are a definite danger to the country and to those of us that reside here. Their laws and charters and killing us economically and socially. If we could put them in prison (their leaders that is) I would find that justifiable at this point. I'm not better than the Russians any more. That's just how I feel."

      Are you suggesting genocide against the separatists?
      At least come out clean here for us all, "cutie".
      You don't have to be like that: sell you sty and move across that f&cking river to where you obviously belong.

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    8. TROLL ALERT AGAIN FROM THE ASS FROM FRANKFORT - Editor - do I have to take these A$$hole's comments from this idiot? He does nothing for this blog nor is he even a reasonable person to permit to post on this blog. He insults you and I specifically, quebec in general and even the francophones, all the time. He is even more unbearable than student and SR. I respectfully request that this guy be banned from the blog unless he starts to take the blog more seriously. Thank you.

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    9. "You don't have to be like that: sell you sty and move across that f&cking river to where you obviously belong."

      Exactement...Mais que va-t-elle faire de ses journées si elle ne peut plus jouer les martyres,surtout à ottawa?

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    10. FROM ED
      Cutie take your own advice and ignore him. He just wants to anger us but if nobody notices he will give up. he needs the attention he gets showing we are angered by him. Don't give him what he wants. If you don't read him it won't anger you. Ed

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    11. thatguy,

      No offense to Mrs.Takahashi but she was way too flustered in the interview and did not take him to task on his completely contradictory ideas, nor called him on the unenforceable aspects of the law.

      That is why Mutsumi Takahashi is Mutsumi Takahashi and not Katie Couric or Barbara Walters or Diane Sawyer. If she were one of those women, she would have the rough number of physicians and nurses in hospitals in Montreal wearing specified religious symbols: yarmulke, dastar and jilbab. She would then ask what the government would do to them if they refused to take the items off. Further question should have been whether the government was ready to replace that number of people, many of whom have stated publicly that they would have moved should the bill have become law.

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    12. From Ann,
      Cutie, I agree with you. The PQ are a scary bunch because they are mocking Quebecers. They don't care about Quebecers and are even laughing at their gullible followers. Making their charter even harsher is laughing in the face of the immigrants, the Quebec human rights organization, other politicians etc. It is appalling to me that their followers are so blind to how dangerous this government is. They don't understand that first they picked on anglophones, next step immigrants....they will go after their own as well. Tyrants are in it for power, they don't care who they trample on, including their hapless supporters.

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    13. Vous devriez déménager avec peggy au canada et vous pourriez ainsi partager les frais de transport.Bonne idée,non?

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    14. All of this Ann for a bunch of power and money hungry politicians that have made their whole life financially viable on the backs of the uneducated and ignorant. Fear and ignorance are the only things that hold this political movement together. The educated people of quebec know that to be successful in North America they need to be able to speak english in order to do business but they don't let their own followers in one that little secret. They teach them to fear us instead. Our gutless politicians, that are supposedly federalists, don't inform them of this either just in case they won't get their vote. This province is a mess; no doubt about it. If we had one good political leader, I would be so happy to vote for him/her.

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    15. Vous devez aimer le Québec si vous y restez...n'est-ce-pas peggy?

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    16. From Ann...sadly I think the words "good" and "political leader" used together is an oxymoron! They are all too busy looking out for their own self-interests, be it local, provincial, national, or international politicians. The rot at the top seems to be the way it goes, some places worse than other places. The more worldly business leaders, professionals, journalists etc in Quebec who are federalists and not just assuming if they side with the PQ they will have favoured status, need to start taking a stand and start educating the gullible masses who don't understand the implications of what the PQ is doing..implications to the viability of this province and their own quality of life down the road. They don't understand that when the PQ has destroyed this province, the political elite will be living in their gated community while the rest of the people will be struggling. The PQ will not care even for their own..and those in the inner circle will also have to watch their back because their will be infighting and backstabbing at the top as well.

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    17. The PQ will not care even for their own.

      Que font les conservateurs pour les canadiens vivant au Québec?

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    18. @Troy
      Caught an interview with Drainville and Andrew Chang on CBC and he did actually call Drainville on what would happen if someone refused to take off their hijab, even after the "sit down" and year of trying to convince them to do so. He just simply would not respond to the Question, after asking it for the 3rd time Andrew had to move on because it was just so awkward and pointless. When you can't even say out loud the negative impacts of your bill perhaps it isn't as just as you may be proclaiming it to be.

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    19. @Ann - for sure Ann - it's a depressing and antagonistic province and there is no one on the horizon that will make it any better to my way of thinking. As long as these politicians think only of themselves, and they supposedly speak for everyone, nothing is going to change in the foreseeable future. We need strong politicians to pick up the gauntlet, tell it like it really is, and so far none of them are up to the task. It would a rude awakening to the masses if they heard the truth in all this BS.

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    20. @cutie003

      " If we could put them in prison (their leaders that is) I would find that justifiable at this point."

      you are a fascist. how does it feel?

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    21. @student

      You believe Sikh doctors should be legally controlled and have their headwear removed. That is pretty much the pinnacle of fascism.

      Feel free to come back when your argument isn't so hypocritical and complete shit.

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    22. @sylvain raciste

      no it's not, as all religious wear is to be banned for state employees. not only the sikh stuff. you don't seem to know what fascism is mate. read cutie003, apple iigs's and anectote's apologies of police states and political jailings for better examples.

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    23. No one's headgear should be banned, mate.

      Telling other people how to live their lives - especially when they're hurting NO ONE is fascist.

      I never heard of a case in the world, where a Jew's cap jumped off his head and ate someone alive.

      Have you?

      Until then, you're a fucking fascist and for someone who pines for a "Quebec Libre" you have a hell of a lot to learn about liberty.

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    24. @sylvain raciste

      "No one's headgear should be banned, mate."

      right, so we'll see on the street next time there's a protest supporting the return of baseball caps for judges? or why don't you organize it seing how emotional you are about free headwear for everyone?

      "Telling other people how to live their lives - especially when they're hurting NO ONE is fascist."

      no it's not. all laws tell people how to live their lives. and not all laws are facist.

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    25. Cutie: Reference on this very long thread is being made to

      Cutie003Saturday, November 9, 2013 at 3:02:00 PM EST
      Sorry Mr. Sagua - I do not consider the separatists just "an annoyance" any longer - they are a definite danger to the country and to those of us that reside here.

      OK, I'll accept your way of describing the situation, and I'm sorry to see you're in such angst, but justifiably so. My view on what to do with Quebec greatly differs from yours, and it upsets you, so I won't rehash what you don't want to read or hear.

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  17. La police canadienne refuse de prendre des mesures contre des femmes musulmanes qui ont battu un juif

    http://alyaexpress-news.com/2013/11/la-police-canadienne-refuse-de-prendre-des-mesures-contre-des-femmes-musulmanes-qui-ont-battu-un-juif/

    Le monde vous regarde

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    1. lol big shocker the police didn't do, anything it's clear as day the guy was harassing the women before the video started, they were already on the phone with the police. The lesson here S.R is that you probably shouldn't get your news from a site with a paypal donate button on the bottom, they tend to be a bit sketchy on the whole investigating, or having facts sort of thing.

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  18. FROM ED
    Ann, you have to take into consideration the fact that the Church ran things in France, The people here were just continuing the only life style that they knew for centuries. the French have always looked for someone to lead them and take care of their needs. Take for example the mess DeGaulle put france in. It took a strike that involved the whole country to get rid of him, which is what's needed here.
    Galganov was exactly what we don't need. We need to work with the French and show them the truth. Getting their backs up won't help. We, the English did not appease the French in the 70's and 80's we were busy building our homes and our lives and barely noticed the creeping coldness pervailing the scene. We sure as hell did not antagonize them we didn't even notice they were unhappy Anglos did not flee the province they went west to keep their jobs. Ed.

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    1. Ed, say what you want about Howard Galganov. Forget trying to "educate the French" That's been tried for the last 40 years.

      Remember what I've written previously about human nature, Ed:

      PEOPLE SEE WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE, HEAR WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR AND BELIEVE WHAT THEY WANT TO BELIEVE

      It's as simple as that.

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    2. FROM ED
      You're 100% right young fellow, but if Couillard is trying to say, "Vote for me the English ain't that bad." Let's try to show them that we ainn't. He turns me off (Galganov not Couillard) bcause I detect hatred in hi speech and that's no good for either side. If you ask me, "Are you a ffollower of Couillard?" i wuld answer, "Yes I are." If a tired old lady can be premier surley he can do better .(Couillard not Galgaov) Galganov should give up, even my dog doesn't want to hear him anymore. he sits on his arse and howls (the dog, not galganov) when I shout at him on youtube. (Galganov, not the dog.) Ed

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    3. @sauga

      oh! bold capital letters! i'm impressed, what you write must be true, then.

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  19. LES CONSERVATEURS VEULENT SOUSTRAIRE LES ORGANISATIONS RELIGIEUSES DES PROTECTIONS CONTRE LA DISCRIMINATION

    "Les militants conservateurs ont appuyé par une très vaste majorité une résolution prévoyant que les organisations religieuses soient soustraites de l’application de la Charte canadienne des droits et libertés."

    http://www.etremag.com/2013/11/les-conservateurs-veulent-soustraire-les-organisations-religieuses-des-protections-contre-la-discrimination-12740

    Hmm

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  20. LA VERITE SUR L'ISLAM EN FRANCE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WD-fz_Qdlo

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    1. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTSaturday, November 9, 2013 at 1:33:00 PM EST

      Ce n'est que le debut j'en ai peur. En Belgique et ailleurs, les citoyens Musulmans terment leurs pays d'accueils avec un suffixe "stan" comme "Belgikstan". On devrait changer nos lois sur l'immigration immediatement.

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    2. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTMonday, October 21, 2013 at 4:58:00 PM EDT
      People who remain in quebekistan are pathetic
      http://www.antagoniste.net/2013/10/21/quitter-le-quebec-4/

      Hmm looks like un gars is secretly one of the Muslim immigrants who put "stan" on the end of things that he fears. Hilarious.

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    3. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTSunday, November 10, 2013 at 9:55:00 AM EST

      21 October?
      LMAO!!!
      You did some serious digging. Glad that I wasted ur time, pal!!!

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    4. Pro tip: Ctrl + F, my troll friend. Watch out the German people might start getting upset at all those dastardly immigrants in their country adding stan to the end of places!

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    5. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTSunday, November 10, 2013 at 12:13:00 PM EST

      "Pro tip: Ctrl + F"
      I am amused by your assumption that I'm inept. Wrong, sir.
      Try this: Shutdown.exe -s -t 00 It's fun:)

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    6. "I am amused by your assumption that I'm inept. Wrong, sir."
      Then you sure do play a convincing inept person on the internet. An immigrant who puts stan on the end of places complaining about immigrants who put stan on the end of places, all you need is a spinning bow tie and a pie in the face and it would complete the image!

      On top of that thinking it takes anyone any time to find you've said numerous? I have 3 pages of instances and it takes a whopping 0.22 seconds, they must not have search engines in Germany lol.
      https://www.google.ca/search?q=quebekistan+un+gars&oq=quebekistan+un+gars&aqs=chrome..69i57.2148j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

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    7. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTSunday, November 10, 2013 at 11:16:00 PM EST

      @thatguy
      "On top of that thinking it takes anyone any time to find you've said numerous? I have 3 pages of instances and it takes a whopping 0.22 seconds, they must not have search engines in Germany lol.
      https://www.google.ca/search?q=quebekistan+un+gars&oq=quebekistan+un+gars&aqs=chrome..69i57.2148j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8"
      --------------------------------------------------
      clap, clap, clap.
      Thank you for the lesson. You must be an unemployable "IT" dude from 2006. I see that you know sweet dick about programmables.
      You should leave quebec and aim for Alberta. There is work there.
      As of for me, do not worry. |I work in Europe then I will return to Calgary by 2016. I make connections for the future, establishing credibility for the firm I work for.
      You wouldn't even know what I talk about.

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    8. Geeze, your firm might be in trouble if you think everyone that is aware of search engines must be in IT...yikes, have you heard about this thing called DOS? I hear it's going to be huge.

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  21. Financement du PLQ: un proche d'Accurso accusé

    http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201311/09/01-4708892-financement-du-plq-un-proche-daccurso-accuse.php

    La série noire continue ...

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  22. http://www.cjad.com/cjad-news/2013/11/08/quebecs-charter-has-nasty-surprise-for-anglos

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    1. This government has gone completely insane.

      http://www.montrealgazette.com/health/Fining+hospitals+keeping+elderly+patients+tantamount/9148273/story.html

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    2. Les vieux,c'est ce qui coûte le plus cher pour notre système de santé.

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    3. "One of the charter's measures will actually change Quebec's charter of human rights so that the primacy of French must be taken into account when considering people's rights and freedoms."

      Let's replace the word "French" (which likely extends beyond language spoken, but actual those who ARE French by blood) with the word 'Whites'. Re-read that sentence, and how it comes across now.

      One of the charter's measures will actually change Quebec's charter of human rights so that the primacy of Whites must be taken into account when considering people's rights and freedoms.

      Nevermind reprimand from the rest of Canada, Quebec should be condemned for its action by all nations in the free world. Quebec needs to be kicked out of Canada, or if it stays, arrest all these separatists, put them in handcuffs and deport them to the third world (or preferably another planet in the solar system). If not, apparently FREEDOM in Canada is the freedom to discriminate. Freedom to steal citizens' rights. The freedom to hate, the freedom to essentially destroy what is supposedly Canada.

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    4. @apple iigs

      white is not the correct word to replace french with here. what quebec is trying to instill here is no primacy. as in "one of the charter's measures will actually change Quebec's charter of human rights so that the no primacy must be taken into account when considering people's rights and freedoms."

      sounds better. and it's more accurate.

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    5. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTSunday, November 10, 2013 at 9:49:00 AM EST

      Again, 99% of anglos within quebec are fully aware of where the french language status is going in the province. That is why the anglos that live in quebec and that plan to live their lives in quebec also speak french and are very well ingrained in quebec. They go about their lives wherever they live. And quite happy as well. Those who wanted to leave -whatever the reason was- have left.
      As a bonus those same 99% of anglos living in quebec do not frequent this racist blog. That's for the odd unilingual anglos that are in a total pcycho mess.

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    6. @UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORT

      You don't get it.

      A great deal of people here are either totally fluent in French or at least very capable.

      It's really not so much a question of language and culture as it is PRINCIPLE.

      You're supposed to be some well-educated, successful hotshot.

      So why are you siding with welfare losers like SR?

      I guess the old adage is true...you can take the guy out of "petit pain country" but you'll never take the "petit pain" mentality out of the guy.

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    7. "So why are you siding with welfare losers like SR?"

      coward est un amerloc qui s'ignore...aucun respect pour les plus démunis (matériellement et intellectuellement) de notre société.

      "successful hotshot"...Hahahaha!Quel cave ce cowy

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    8. Nerve struck.

      I have a policy of never answering trolls, but that doesn't stop me from making commentary.

      Let's say I was PM of Quebec. I would never dream of abolishing welfare. Too many good people require it in hard times.

      However, Quebec has proven that its culture has grown to accustomed to it.

      I've been to house parties all over Canada and when the conversation turns to "what do you do?" only in Quebec is it cool for someone to say "Well, I'm on welfare right now, just feeling things out."

      "Bougon" culture is very prevalent and people of that ilk have demonstrated they do not possess any sense of responsibility. If someone can't be bothered to wake up before noon and make cold pizza their breakfast, how can we give them the right to decide anything that has to do with the working majority?

      The troll S.R's constant activity on this blog proves his lack of employment and this is all the more reason why we should introduce a poll tax.

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    9. "Too many good people require it in hard times."

      Que proposez-vous de faire avec les mauvais BS?La chambre à gaz?

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    10. @anonymous coward

      "The troll S.R's constant activity on this blog proves his lack of employment..."

      and how does this reasoning not apply to you mate?

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    11. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTSunday, November 10, 2013 at 12:02:00 PM EST

      If the language issue in quebec would be just that, an issue, there would be more than a mere 5 or 6 voices of discontent on this racist blog.
      Ontario's resurfacing the 401 west. I recommend some of you's ought to try it...

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    12. He wouldn't understand what a "principle" or "rights" mean Coward - Only people that are not mentally deranged understand these things. He doesn't know what the hell he is talking about - crazy as a loon!

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    13. @cutie003

      earlier you posted a defenitely fascist comment and now you somehow imply that you are not mentally deranged. is it safe to conclude that you think fascists have sane minds?

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    14. @student

      I totally agree.

      Any mind that would create a fascist bill like the "Charter of (bullshit) Values" is clearly deranged and totally insane.

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    15. @sylvain raciste

      "I totally agree."

      thanks mate.

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    16. OK, thinks its time to finally out you my little chienne.

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    17. @sylvain raciste

      you don't like being thanked?!?

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    19. Laïcité (partielle) = fascisme ?!?

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  23. SR - Its ture that Harper has pretty well abandoned the anglos left in Quebec. But we can always pack up and move on to anywhere in North America and much of the world. Most francophones are more or less trapped here forever because of their lack of english skills and they can thank the PQ for that. So the PQ will destroy the economy in the name of keeping everything french and these elite polticians will be fine even under the crisis..it will be the average francophone that suffers the most..

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    1. FROM ED
      Complicated, You're right. I feel sorry for the average Franco. If payments are cut off 90% of welfare will be gone. These good people have families, kids that need food and clothes. We're talking about millions of hungry people. It's pretty hard to educate the masses as to what's coming as the French press is mostly separatist and keeps a lid on information. If there is a way to get around them I think it might be the premier's conference in December. Much of it will be telecast on French and English channels. If they talk about cutting the transfer payments it will wake some up to the danger they are in. I have a feeling there will be an election before that happens. Before the masses hear that such a thing is possible.. I believe harper is callous enough to do this so he could step in and save them from there own little Biafra. The votes he would reap in Quebec (Millions) would put him overv the top. If the transfer payments are cut it would be the other provinces' fault. He ould then send money (with conditions) to replace them. Ed

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  24. Will history repeat itself, is this Quebec's future...?

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Kristallnacht+precursor+Holocaust+came+years/9145068/story.html

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    1. no it's not. although some, like apple iigs, are wishing hard for a repeat: "...arrest all these separatists, put them in handcuffs and deport them..."

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    2. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTSunday, November 10, 2013 at 9:43:00 AM EST

      @Lessons from the past:

      The goal of your msg is to link Nazism to the quebec separatists. While I am evidently against quebec separating, you add plentifully to the obvious racist tone that this blog aims to propagate.
      Fully unnecessary.

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    3. Try this perspective: We've allowed for a stark minority of uneducated buffoons, bereft of vision, determination and acumen to terrorize the majority that is simply just trying to make for themselves in peace and quiet.

      The separatist movement is that godawful drunken uncle ruining Christmas supper for everyone. The "arrest the separatist" statement coming from Apple is merely his way of saying, can someone just knock Uncle Jacques the fuck out already so the rest of us can start on the turkey and enjoy our wine responsibly?

      That's it.

      We just need to get rid of the Uncle Jacques so we can simply enjoy life with no more conflict and bullshit.

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    4. " drunken uncle ruining Ch*****as supper for everyone."

      Vous n'avez plus le droit d'utiliser ce mot : "Fêtes d'hiver" est maintenant l'appellation acceptable.

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    5. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTSunday, November 10, 2013 at 11:57:00 AM EST

      Vous n'avez plus le droit d'utiliser ce mot : "Fêtes d'hiver" est maintenant l'appellation acceptable.

      Ils sont contre la Charte . Choix douteux alors quant a "christmas". Bien dit, S.R.

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    6. @un gars bs de frankfort

      "While I am evidently against quebec separating..,"

      and why is that?!?

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    7. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTSunday, November 10, 2013 at 12:19:00 PM EST

      @student.

      C'est un choix personnel. Je crois que le quebec peut rester au Canada et aussi etre une `nation` en meme temps. Comme en Suisse. Par contre, je crois que la majorite de nouveaux pays proviendront dùne fracture ethnique, tels làncienne Tchecoslovaquie.

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    8. @un gars bs de frankfort

      "Je crois que le quebec peut rester au Canada et aussi etre une `nation` en meme temps."

      of course, but wouldn't quebec be even better if it had more control over its political levers? the debate is not wheter the present deal is sustainable for the french canadian nation or not but rather how to make it even better.

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    9. Why should Quebec have more control over it's political levers, when it can't even manages the ones it already has.

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    10. @student

      You say: "but wouldn't quebec be even better if it had more control over its political levers?"

      Quebec's present management is a very poor indicator of how it would fare as an independent nation.

      Many on this blog have repeated it time and again to separatists - your present management of the economy and trade policies ARE NOT SUSTAINABLE.

      How would it be better? In the event of sovereignty, Quebec would have to:

      1. Raise taxes (no choice)
      2. Slash social spending (goodbye $7/day daycare)
      3. Find a way to deal with massive protests from public unions
      4. Find a way to deal with massive protests from student unions
      5. Indebt itself further to finance infrastructure projects that were going to be financed by Ottawa

      That's just five - I could go on and on. Let us not forget that Hydro Quebec would be in peril and that the Churchill Falls agreement will elapse and that NFLD will not get taken a second time.

      So please student, give us an elaborate, thoughtful answer as to what levers Quebec could use to make everything right.

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    11. @anonymous

      "...it can't even manages the ones it already has."

      which levers are you refering to mate?

      your comment is very patronizing and therefore not good. it's like if you tied a juggler's hand behind his back and then mock him for dropping balls.

      can you do better?

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    12. What about my comment, student?

      I've given you room to maneuver, so why don't you explain to us why anonymous is wrong when I've given you the same argument, but expanded with a series of points?

      Oh yes, je me souviens now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7MuSIYQXOo

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    13. Why do we have to send our taxes to revenue Quebec and revenue Canada while the ROC just send their taxes to revenue Canada?

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    14. @sylvain raciste

      "What about my comment, student?"

      i think it's a bad one. your five points are just baseless opinions.

      what's factual is there's a significant cultural difference between french and english canadians. and that french canadians are obviously better positioned to understand their own needs and priorities. therefore anyone that boasts a minimum of judgement can conclude quebec would do better if it controled all its development levers.

      @anonymous

      provincial taxes to the provincial capital and federal taxes to the federal capital. seems logical to me. isn't it to you mate?

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    15. @student

      They you go - you've proved once again that you're nothing more than a fucking idiot with a baseless cause.

      Time for you to leave the blog.

      You've really got nothing to offer.

      You've never once given any legitimacy to your cause.

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    16. @Editor

      Please just leave the comment up.

      See, I listened to your interview on CJAD and you even mentioned that too many trolls come here just to talk shit and don't even read your pieces and debate your points, and this is a clear-cut example of a bullshit artist claiming to pine for something valid...

      ...without having any ability to validate their cause.

      So if they insist on continuing with this, might as well just slander them for their sheer dogmatic stupidity.

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    17. @sylvain raciste

      "You've never once given any legitimacy to your cause."

      the "cause" doesn't need me for legitimacy. freedom is a self-legitimizing concept.

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    18. That's the beauty of you being Canadian - you're already "free"

      As in free to come on this blog and post douchy racist remarks and promote intolerance.

      What a great country you live in.

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    19. @ Mr.Raciste

      Pourquoi ai-je l'impression que vous faites partie d'une minorité visible?Vous ne feriez pas partie d'une de ces multiples page FB racistes et anti-Québécois par hasard,je crois reconnaître votre style...hm

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    20. @sylvain raciste

      "...you're already "free"

      sure. a free province. i think you have reached the founding contradiction here mate. thanks for your cooperation.

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    21. @ student

      "provincial taxes to the provincial capital and federal taxes to the federal capital. seems logical to me. isn't it to you mate?"

      With your comment does that mean that the taxes send by the ROC only goes to federal capital and the provinces don't get don't get anything?

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    22. @anonymous

      Wouldn't bother anymore.

      Just look at S.R (ie, Sylvain Racine) trying to see if I'm a "nigger" or a "paki"

      He sure would love that.

      If my skin colour is anything but white, he feels he's won the argument without words.

      We're just dealing with a couple of bitter little KKK members who are angry that they can't keep our tax dollars for their welfare checks once Quebec separates.

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    23. @anonymous

      "...does that mean that the taxes send by the ROC only goes to federal capital and the provinces don't get don't get anything?"

      i know it comes back to the provinces after transiting via ottawa. which is also fine i guess. what's your point?

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    24. The point is since even you say that is fine why are we paying for redundancy when it is already being done at the federal level?

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    25. @anonymous

      i agree, quebec should collect all its taxes and send part of it to ottawa for federal services quebec enjoys (army, embassies, etc.). only one office would be better.

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    26. why should Quebec collect all of it's taxes? It has been working just fine for the ROC to just send their taxes to the feds and then the provinces get their share. What makes Quebec so special that we need to have revenue of Quebec? Look all the savings we would have if the province didn't have to pay all those government workers to process our taxes.

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    27. @anonymous

      "why should Quebec collect all of it's taxes?"

      why not? you're the one saying there shouldn't be two agencies.

      "It has been working just fine for the ROC to just send their taxes to the feds and then the provinces get their share."

      good for them.

      "What makes Quebec so special that we need to have revenue of Quebec?"

      quebec is so special that it should have all government agencies, not just revenu quebec. what makes it special? well i guess it has something to do with its french roots.

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    28. I don't even know why you try and have a debate about separation with Student, it is undebatable because her wanting independence does not come from a place of reason, so there are no arguments to latch on to. Sovereignty is like a religion to some separatists, they can't prove it is needed or things would be better with it, it's just something they take on faith because it's been sold to them at a young age and they continue to believe it is the only way to move forward, to them it is a forgone conclusion. When pressed as to why it is needed student will say freedom, when what is really meant is more power for the state. Why is this needed? So that Quebec can make more decisions. Why is this needed ? Because Quebec will make better decisions.

      There of course is the rub, better decisions. Look around you at an indebted province, with crumbling infrastructure, a sputtering economy, inefficiencies in all provincial government departments and companies, a poor healthcare system, rampant corruption and a government in the face of all of this who uses it's power to focus on discriminating against minorities instead of solving real problems. Quebec can not make very good choices for the powers it has now, but you're going to assume if Quebec separates, the same politicians, the same bureaucrats who could not solve Quebec's current problems will magically solve them and handle all of the newly added responsibilities? The major change is Quebec will no longer be beholden to the Canadian charter of rights and freedoms, which means all of the laws that have been struck down over the years for being unconstitutional will be back on the table, and probably even more, so much for separating for freedom, in all likelihood there will be less personal freedoms in a independent Quebec.

      So how does a separatist reconcile all of this? Wishful thinking. That's why it is undebatable. The plan is essentially
      Step 1. Separation
      Step 2. ????
      Step 3. Everything is magically much better.
      So it's about as fruitful as trying to convince a religious person that there is no heaven.

      @ Un gars
      "Ils sont contre la Charte . Choix douteux alors quant a "christmas". Bien dit, S.R"
      Do you not understand that the charter is for secularism? That does not mean pro-Christianity and saying Christmas, that means the state would say "Fêtes d'hiver" and not Christmas because it is secular. Meaning if you support the charter, you support Christmas not being used by the government.

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    29. So Quebec should have all government agencies, just because of it's French roots is that it? What makes those French roots them so different from the ROC, that Quebec needs to have all government agencies?

      How would Quebec plan to pay for all those government agencies? Without asking for more in equalization payments?

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    30. @anonymous

      of course by having all government agencies in quebec i meant independance. it they would be paid by taxes of course.

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    31. Ah thatguy - now you're again trying to explain reason to a separatist - he is so crazy - one day he's on here saying "kick quebec out of Canada" and "I've started a petition to have quebec kicked out of Canada" - today he says "While I am evidently against Quebec leaving Canada" - the guy is schizo and racist against everyone and everybody in quebec. Don't waste your time - If he would leave me and the blog out of his stupid comments, I would ignore him even more than I do now but once in awhile I have to get a kick out to his ass in order to lower my blood pressure. Hopefully, the Editor will stop posting his comments because he is out strictly just to sabotage the blog and for no other reason - wants to cause the Editor nothing but trouble.

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    32. @student

      "of course by having all government agencies in quebec i meant independance. it they would be paid by taxes of course."

      That makes no sense because the taxes Quebec collects from it's citizens and the equalization payments it collects from Canada is not enough to keep the province of Quebec in the black. Quebec collects more in equalization payments than it gives to the Feds. So how would Quebec be able to sustain itself if it were to become independent?

      If Quebec really wanted independence it would refuse the extra funds the feds send in the equalization payment.

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    33. Linking the separatist movement with Nazism is a bit of a stretch to say the least (there are no death camps, violent pogroms and systematic killing here) but I'll be damned if there aren't parallels! And the so-called Charter of Values is probably one of the most visible parallels to appear so far. Or even before that, vile legislation that is Bill 14, granting special powers to search and seize ones business or home for items deemed "offensive" to the state WITHOUT ANY WARRANT OR NOTICE.

      I invite members of this blog to read the book Ten Green Bottles
      http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/ten-green-bottles-vivian-jeanette-kaplan/1112483728

      The parallels of 1920's and 30's Vienna to modern day Quebec are quite disturbing. The interesting thing was the same mindset occurred then as now. It-could-never-happen-here. Just-ignore-the-problem-and-it-will-go-away. Try-appeasing-and-going-along-with-those-against-you-and-they-will-leave-you-be-in-peace. Honestly, get ahold of this book and read it, it's going an eye opener.

      As for my earlier comments, yes, I do feel strongly enough that the leaders of the separatist movement should be forcibly removed from power. Arrested if need be. What kind of society allows people like this to be in charge and pass vitreous discriminatory and dangerous hate laws? What kind of a country IS Canada if basic human rights and freedoms mean nothing? If the federal government cannot or will not step in, then the rest of the country should remove Quebec from the Canadian federation. Otherwise what is the point of a country that boasts freedom if some regions can opt out?

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    34. There is nothing they would love better Apple than to be kicked out of confederation and then tell their supporters that they aren't really wanted in Canada anyway. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't but for sure the ROC has a right to keep their own budgets balanced rather than throwing the money into this communist province. And I couldn't say I would blame them in the least. But, again I say, areas that want to remain a part of Canada have every right to do so - This land belongs to all of Canada not just to people who vote to keep it. I would love to keep my neighbours car but unfortunately the votes from all my family against the two votes in their family still does not allow me to do this therefore....

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    35. By the way readers - this from the PQ member:

      Tania Longpré, new PQ candidate for Viau has laid her plan:

      - Remove the word Jewish from the Jewish hospital
      - Ban payots (sidelocks) from Jewish hair
      - Ban circumcision of Jews

      Now remind me, who again was hunting Jews between 39-45?

      Not so far fetched anymore is it? And she was stupid enough to put it in writing on FB.

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    36. @anonymous

      "That makes no sense because the taxes Quebec collects from it's citizens and the equalization payments it collects from Canada is not enough to keep the province of Quebec in the black."

      remove equalization and add taxes sent by the quebec population to ottawa and it will make sense.

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    37. http://nodogsoranglophones.blogspot.ca/2012/11/quebec-propagandists-get-dose-of-reality.html

      Run that math by me because I'm getting:
      Now: 40 billion in taxes to Ottawa; 58 billion from Ottawa to Quebec = a surplus of 18 billion or 58 billion total to spend.
      Student's plan: 40 billion in taxes = 40 billion total to spend which is 18 billion less than now. Meaning that there is a short fall of 18 billion wherein Quebec has to either raise taxes to cover this, cut spending, go more in debt or do all three.

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    38. @thatguy

      Thank you!
      student will always have a fantasy answer for everything having to do with Quebec.

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    39. @thatguy

      for a serious analysis of what independant quebec budget would be, consider this book: http://tinyurl.com/okaqhle

      warning: read this book if and only if you're ready to have your beliefs shattered.

      conclusion: independant quebec is viable without compromises over tax rates, debt levels or offered services.

      then, for a discussion over gobeil's work, check out this dialogue between uber federalist martin coiteux and the book's author: http://tinyurl.com/purgjzt .

      as you can see the federalist was ridiculized. he shut his blog a few months later. although his speech was more sophisticated than yours his line of "thought" was similar to yours.

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    40. Forgive me if I'm a tad bit dubious of a book that was written by a former Bloc researcher, advisor to Gilles Duceppe and current Pauline Marois' advisor, which has a foreword from Jean Francois Lisee, whom just coincidentally posted the blog post praising the book in your second link, and that was published by Quebecor. I know that kind of sounds like a set up to a joke, but that’s all true.

      Some of the argument put forward by the book are clearly strawmen. Quebec would save money by separating because it would not have to support duplicated services! Well yes that is true, Quebec would also save that same money by staying in Canada but not having opened or by closing down these duplicated services. It's as if someone built a fence, then you decide after the fence is done to build your own fence right next to it then complain to everyone that the other guy wasted money by building the first fence.

      He also makes a number of wishful thinking calculations that if more investments were put into Quebec industries they would definitely take off regardless of the actual demand, and the numbers he used included the one time huge investment to save the auto industry in Ontario, they were during the recession and he makes the huge assumption that Quebec’s new larger bureaucracy would be efficient, which is hilarious. Some estimates are made using different year data. He bemoans that subsidiaries for oil and natural gas are not given to Quebec, even though it has been Quebec who has decided not to venture those activities, and those activities are what bring in wealth and tax dollars that are shared with all of Canada.
      Hey I’ll give you free money if you dig over there.
      Nah.
      Ok then I won’t give you the free money.
      That is so unfair!

      I wouldn't say Martin Coiteux was ridiculized, mostly because that's not a word, but also because he wasn't ridiculed, to say these calculations are a science would be very disingenuous and the two men clearly have different ideas of the proper way to calculate the estimates, simply by stating what he did in response to Mr. Coiteux, does not mean Mr. Gobeil did the correct thing. Nor would I call this a dialogue there is no back and forth at all, talk about one sided. Mr Coiteux shut down his blog because he was hired by the Bank of Canada to oversee the Bank’s Business Outlook Survey for all of Quebec, and as a government employee could not keep a political blog. Now who am I more likely to believe an economist who works for the most important economics institution in the country or separatist adviser (whose credentials don't seem to be stated anywhere) who is paid to tell people what they want to hear ? Tough call.

      The most damning indication about the book is no one has taken it seriously, Martin Coiteux was the only person who bothered to even respond to it and that was on a blog post. The analysis is wholly unreplicable because any one change in the methodology could have a huge impact on the result, many of these decisions are made on nothing but guesses and to even check if the analysis was done right would take an untenable amount of time.

      So what’s the take away? You can look at the actual real number from statistics Canada and get a 5 billion deficit or you can run a whole lot or unreproducable estimates and get a 2 billion surplus, which incidentally would have been mostly wiped out anyway this year anyway by the increased spending and the resulting increased deficit the PQ will run us, what are we at 2.3 billion as of July? But I'm sure Quebec is completely viable, I don't foresee any upcoming large expenses in terms of roadwork, overpasses, bridges and buildings that will need to be replaced due to neglect, I'm sure they'll be just as many immigrants coming into Quebec and the population won't age and I'm sure they won't be any brain drain after separation, or disruption to business, it'll really be exactly the same except for the changes in federal expenses, lol the separatist fairy tale.

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  25. Your "Ha-Ha" moment of the morning:

    "M. Leblanc était un des hauts fonctionnaires à concevoir le «plan zéro» pour stabiliser les finances du Québec, en cas de victoire du Oui."

    From: http://www.lapresse.ca/le-soleil/actualites/politique/201311/09/01-4709002-congres-du-pq-marois-confiante-envers-une-eventuelle-souverainete.php

    Quebec is presently receiving a very lucrative fortune from Ottawa and STILL cannot balance its books...only find itself deeper in the shitpit year after year.

    Anyhow, it seems the keyword in the article is "dream" - as in "let's dream of a country that can run without money and never have to repay ANY of its debts."

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    1. Also from said article: Pauline Marois stated that her new galactic empire... err, I mean Quebec would «nettoyer les nids de corruption laissés par les libéraux».

      Hmmm...dear pot, it's your old friend, the kettle:

      http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201311/09/01-4708901-dons-illegaux-dune-ingenieure-de-genivar-au-pq.php

      I've also yet to hear the seppie side try to explain how the FTQ helped Tony Accurso (the evil federalist capitalist) hide $45M from RQ.

      Anyone?

      Anyone?

      Bueller?

      Bueller?

      I digress.

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    2. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTSunday, November 10, 2013 at 10:00:00 AM EST

      "Quebec is presently receiving a very lucrative fortune from Ottawa and STILL cannot balance its books...only find itself deeper in the shitpit year after year."

      Not a total surprise as successive governments in quebec since the Lesage days - especially the PQ - subscribe to social-democracy, i.e. socialism jr.

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  26. Richard Bergeron: «J'ai côtoyé le vide toute la campagne»

    http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/montreal/201311/09/01-4708920-richard-bergeron-jai-cotoye-le-vide-toute-la-campagne.php

    Un peu de respect pour monsieur Coderre,comment peut-on être vide et peser 400 kilos à la fois?

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    1. it must be very frustrating to fight for the imbecile's vote against a shameless fraud.

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  27. You know I look at the TV this morning and see the natural disaster that has happened to the poor souls in the Philippines and this happened in a one day situation whereby people are without homes, food and water. Up to 10,000 people killed; the approx. count so far and here we are in a situation where we have people just begging to bring strife, the likes that Canada has never seen, down on the heads of residents of a perfectly sound and good country for absolutely no damn reason whatsoever. Boggles the mind of any rational person. What a bunch of self-centered, short sighted, money hungry miscreants that rule quebec at the present time. I will probably not live long enough to see where all this leads but you can bet it will not be pretty. Hateful, selfish, troublemakers - the separatist movement that is. They will rue the day and I do hope there is a life hereafter whereby I get the satisfaction of watching them fall flat on their stupid, ignorant faces.

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    1. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTSunday, November 10, 2013 at 11:53:00 AM EST

      @cutie
      What a hateful, small, shallow human being you make.
      Keep wasting your life away on this racist blog.

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    2. The Editor won't let me say what I want to say to you I'm sure you little pipsqueak "big shot". You are the only psycho on this blog and if I have my way, your stupid, ignorant posts will be deleted and/or never be allowed to post. Screw off and stay in Germany.

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    3. "The Editor won't let me say what I want to say to you..."

      really? does it mean you would throw gratuitous insults to un gars bs de frankfort? why would you do that?!? or is it some other blog rule you'd break mate?

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  28. http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/11/09/quebec%E2%80%99s_proposed_values_charter_%E2%80%98problematic%E2%80%99,_says_archbishop_/en1-745290

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  29. FROM ED
    TODAY'S SCORE - Sensible Comments - 59 Playing with Trolls - 61 Trolls win 50% plus 1.

    What the EDITOR has provided for us is being ruined by a handful who want to play games with those who cry for our
    extiction. ? ? ? ? Ed

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  30. Hey guys, this X-men movie was shot in the 514, but I'm having trouble placing some of the backgrounds.

    Can any of you guys make them out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK2zYHWDZKo

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    1. why don't you start your own blog if you want to discuss about movie sets?!? you're highly irrelevant here mate.

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    2. @Sylvain
      I know they filmed at McGill, City hall, the Olympic stadium and some scenes in Vaudreuil-Dorion. A lot of the inside stuff was done at Mel's Cité du Cinema.

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  31. FROM ED
    Andrew Coyne's column in Saturday's Gazette (Page B5) is hilarious and right on. A must read. Ed

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  32. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/the-political-strategy-behind-quebec-s-values-charter-1.2418405

    We all see what Miss Piggy is up to - just more evidence of it.

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    1. why do you call her miss piggy? by refering to her as an animal ten times a day there is a risk another lunatic reader loses it and goes out to get her. you'll have to assume responsibility when it happens.

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    2. pinpointing a enemy and dehumanizing like it like you do is also a fascist method used to instill fear and hate amongst followers. are you a leader or a victim?

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    3. "you'll have to assume responsibility when it happens."

      So if the PQ instills an air of intolerance which encourages racist acts it would be crazy to imply their involvement, but if someone sees Cutie say miss piggy and they goes out to "get her" she'll have to take direct responsibility for it? Student you are a veritable ocean of contradictions.

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    4. @thatguy

      "So if the PQ instills an air of intolerance which encourages racist acts it would be crazy to imply their involvement..."

      i never implied anything like that. what i did imply is that the pq does not instill an air of intolerance. and there's a difference between trying to institutionalize secularity and pointing someone saying she's a pig. big difference. can you discern the difference thatguy?

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    5. No you said you was ridiculous to link the two, but hey let's go down your rabbit hole anyway.

      "what i did imply is that the pq does not instill an air of intolerance."
      Oh so if we could show that the PQ's actions have let to more intolerance, you would think that we can directly blame the PQ for the actions of others? Well that won't be very hard, we could just look at the increase in intolerance incidents since they started advocating for the charter, still not good enough? How about those incidents where the perpetrators specifically referenced the governments plan for why they though they were justified ex "the government is going to make you take it off", yeah that'll do.

      Sure there'd be a difference, if they were introducing something that was actually secular and even handed. What they're actually introducing is not neutral it's anti-religious, which is bad enough, but they're also doing it in an extremely biased way permitting everything christian (except for comically oversized crosses that no one wears) while forbidding the important religious symbols from the other religions.

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  33. Canadian Holocaust -Try Not to Cry

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqPIh-267fg&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DhqPIh-267fg&app=desktop

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  34. Has anybody heard of this story? PQ candidate Tania Longpré has gone on record saying that "Jewish" should be removed from the name of Jewish General Hospital and male circumcision should be outlawed. If this has been posted already, please forgive me.

    http://putbacktheflag.blogspot.ca/2013/11/remove-jewish-from-jewish-general.html

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  35. Circumcision resource center

    http://www.circumcision.org/

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  36. Animal curelity thrives in QuebecSunday, November 10, 2013 at 10:30:00 PM EST

    Another example of the French Quebecois' true "values"

    http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/gentle-dog-shot-in-quebec-town-sparking-debate-1.1535690

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    1. Avez-vous déjà visité une boucherie halal?

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    2. Circumcision resource center

      http://www.circumcision.org/

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    3. @animal curelity in quebec

      that's a racist comment. are you a racist?

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    4. @student - Racist? That person is just protecting their culture and language! You should know better.

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    5. Pointing to another group of people and saying, well they're worse, isn't a great way to make ones' self look better, especially when your laws allow the act you are condemning to take place. On a separate note, what is your obsession with that circumcision site?

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