Friday, September 6, 2013

French vs. English Volume 90

Crime Commission back in session

After a summer recess, it was back to public hearings where more revelation were made, this time concerning fixed contracts in Gatineau.
 "An employee of AECOM (which bought out smaller firm Tecsult in the late 2000s) based in the Outaouais region, Gélinas told the inquiry that between 2003 and 2008, a system of collusion involving four major engineering firms was in place in Gatineau." Read more
"Earlier in the day, the inquiry heard how collusion among engineering firms in Quebec City was rampant in the latter half of the 2000s, with eight companies forming a cartel in 2004 and sharing in the profits when the federal government began pumping millions into infrastructure projects in the provincial capital.
According to former AECOM (Tecsult) executive Patrice Mathieu, getting the cartel up and running proved trickier than expected, and the firms were caught red-handed the first time they attempted to fix their bids.
In 2004, the city had launched a call for tender on a major project to install retention basins in the St-Charles river, Mathieu said, and a handful of companies held discussions in advance in an effort to avoid “a price war.” Read more
It seems that there is so much corruption to expose, that the commission has admitted that it cannot do it all in time allotted.
“We have said it before and it bears repeating: our mandate is vast, the period we must cover is long, and despite an extension of 18 months, the inquiry has a limited period of time to examine all of the things that are part of our mandate,” LeBel said.  Read more
Perhaps the commission should change tacks and assume everybody in the industry is crooked and invite the few honest ones to testify...that list would be short and sweet!

Hate Message

I've translated the hate message sent to the media by the perpetrators of pig's blood attack on a mosque in Chicoutimi.

You've settled here in our country in order to flee dictatorship, war, violence, hate and death, in order to live happily, in good health, sheltered from all you left behind. 
Why have you come to our country, if not to change from the type country you left behind?

- Leave behind your Hijab, Niqab, Burqa, Charia, etc.!
- Forget your primitive beliefs!
- Stop believing that you are permanently humiliated!
- Assimilate or go home!
That was a pretty cogent message and some fine word processing skills that included four different fonts and three colours.
PLUS, no spelling mistakes, proper use of bullets,  excellent grammar and syntax. How many Quebecers could pull that off??
Clearly the writer has spent time researching the immigration situation in France, which the map included as background attests to.
The writer is definitely university-educated, familiar with writing papers and probably a woman.
I can't wait for the Power Point version!

But most of the lines in the message were lifted from other posts that I found online. 
Both the first and second paragraph can be found here HERE
But there is an even earlier version from Belgium  HERE

Now one of the interesting aspects to the story is the complete rejection in the French press, that the vandalizing of the Chicoutimi mosque was anything but the act of a deranged and troubled mind.

Richard Martineau takes up the defenses of the good name of Quebecers, providing statistics that backs up his claim that there are more incidents in Ontario, than Quebec. Link{fr}
But in another article in Le Devoir, the author points out that hate incidents are going up in Quebec, while down in the rest of Canada. Link{fr}
"This is not the mentality of the people of the region. This is an isolated and stupid act. I can not believe there are people who think like that. It only takes one or two stupid people perpetrate acts like this."- Jean Tremblay , Mayor of Saguenay
"Informed by the press that some members of the Muslim community are worried about the reaction to the proposed bill , Minister Stéphane Bédard Bédard explained that he considered it unlikely that violence stems  from the debates. "
But let us remember that in the case of Richard Bain, various public separatists, including Mario Beaulieu are holding the Anglo media responsible for Bain's radicalization because of the proliferation of so-called Quebec-bashing stories.
So the Anglo media is responsible in part for Bain, but the French media innocent of inspiring the hate-monger in Chicoutimi.
A case of arguing Black one day, white the other.

Here's  something from our comment section;
According to some, the vandalism on Chicoutimi's Mosque was done by anti-charter advocates
@S_EFortin 17 h
Many signs lead us to believe that this vandalism is in fact anti-charter activism. Don't be fooled!

@ClaudeLanthier 16 h
@danielthibault The better question would be, are secularism opponents using this mosque incident?

Maybe it's frustrated Muslims who wanted to play the victim's card

There is evidently no link between the charter and this incident

It's only an isolated case and it shouldn't be made into a political story

Maybe they (the Muslims) did it (to?) themselves


[self-di-loo-zhuhn, self-]

the act or fact of deluding oneself
Maybe Richard Bain is secretly a separatist and committed his act as a pretend federalist to boost support for sovereignty.
Or maybe he's just deranged, considering Occam's razor.
At any rate......
"Three days after somebody poured pig blood on a mosque in the Saguenay -Lac -Saint- Jean, several members of the Muslim community attribute this event to the debate on the Charter of Quebec values, which would lead to a rise intolerance........

"A woman in our association was looking for a job recently and  met a director of day care which posted a position. When she showed up to the meeting with her headscarf  she was told that the job was no longer available.: "says Ahlem Belkheir , Vice President of Association of Algerian women.

She says Montreal is full of these kind of stories ever since the government of Pauline Marois made ​​the identity issue a priority.. Link{fr}

PQ solution to public daycare shortage - create a better waiting list.

The PQ minister of families was beaming with the news that she had a solution for parents unable to place their children in public $7 a day programs.

She is creating a spanking new universal waiting list so that parents don't have to place their bambino's name on the various individual waiting list held by each daycare. Link


Now for the kicker, it will take up to a year for the creation of the list, which is about as complicated to create as writing an app.
If Apple Computer worked at the speed of this government in applying innovation, we'd still be using floppy disks.

Actually, I can't wait for the list to come out. We may find that there is a five-year wait for pre-kindergarten daycare!
The only question that will remain is when exactly you can place your name on the list, because if you have to wait until your child is born, it's too late!

Gaspé leading Canada in dependence.

There's fine article over Republique de bananes about Employment Insurance.

For every $100 of income revenue, the chart indicates how much came from the Ottawa's Employment Insurance program.
For every $100 earned by the citizens of the Gaspé Peninsula (which includes that paragon of gainful employment, Îles-de-la-Madeleine) $15.50 came from the unemployment program, while in all of Alberta that number is $1.50

If you read French, do the author the courtesy of reading the story HERE because it is deliciously biting and sarcastic.

Student suing Montreal police for harassment

Awhile back I told you that a student harassed by the Montreal police should sue the police over the unwarranted ticketing. It has come to pass!
Katie Nelson "A university student facing $6,500 in fines for her actions during last year's student protest movement is filing a lawsuit against a Montreal police officer and the city of Montreal.
Katie Nelson, 21, claims she was subjected to repeated harassment by police officers while taking part in protests, singled out for fines and tickets even if in a crowd of people who were left alone.
Constitutional lawyer Julius Grey has taken up her case on a pro-bono basis and will be asking for $24,000 in damages.
The suit reads, in part, "The high frequency and the systematic nature of these events make it statistically impossible for the source of these sanctions to be anything but political profiling or a personal vendetta." Read more
If this thing ever gets to court, it will be a slam dunk, because no judge will buy the police malarkey that they were justified in the targeted ticketing.
Courts defend their own territory and aren't particular fans of extra-judicial justice. Mr. Grey made it exceeding easy for the police to cave and settle out of court, I would have asked for a lot more. But he is taking on the case for free, so a trial would be a nuisance.
Since I've been on a hot streak with my predictions, let me tell you that this will be settled out of court in her favour with a gag order thrown in to avoid humiliation. The only thing the SPCUM lawyer will ask Miss Ms. Nelson is how she spells her name as they prepare her cheque, or if she'd like it in hundreds or fifties!

Alleged tomato sandwich attacker a no-show at Montreal court

Evelyn Samantha Donis facing charges in connection with a near-fatal tomato attack last fall was a no-show in court on Monday. Forty-eight-year-old Alex Montreuil was at the Jewish General Hospital in Montreal for a CT scan, the day after the Quebec election-night shooting, when he alleges he was attacked with a tuna and tomato sandwich..... Link

The victim, complains that officials are not taking the case seriously. The crown took six months to lay charges and when it came to her court date, she didn't show up. The police said they wouldn't actively pursue her, which standard operating procedure.

It's not that the case isn't being taken seriously, it's just that EVERY case in Quebec is handled...badly and slowly.

Why aren't the police actively pursuing her? Because they don't pursue anybody over a relatively minor crime.
The police are just waiting for her to turn up and when they find her, she'll be arrested... maybe.
If she's caught in another province, Quebec police will have to send someone to collect her and when the case is relatively minor, they usually don't bother. After 10's over.
But  Mr. Montreuil is doing the right thing by making a clamor, the police do react to bad publicity and this will clamor definitely bump up the file on the priority list.

Now let me tell you what an assistant director of the Montreal police told me concerning those who break out of jail.
The police stake out the escapees mother's house for a few days, (they always want to see mom.) The same for the girlfriend and last known associates.
After a few scant days, they give up unless the escapee is very dangerous or infamous. Odds are a snitch will rat him out or he'll be arrested in the commission of another crime before too long. Wonderful police work!

When I commented to my friend that it didn't sound like much of an effort, he retorted that it was unfair to say so, since the police put almost all the criminals in jail.
How can that be? I reminded him that police only solve about 15% of crime and only about 2% on their own, the rest is snitches and confessions.
And so he explained that even though what I said true, almost all criminals commit lots of crimes and eventually even the low solve rate catches up with them.

Police logic.....

Weekend reading;

Bill 14: PQ government may allow language law to die
Judge slams City of Montreal for racist promoting practices, gives man $30 k

Have a great weekend!

Bonne fin de Semaine!


  1. FROM ED
    Sorry EDITOR, I have no sympathy for katie Nelson. Leading bike ride groups in Friday afternoon traffic to keep people fro getting home t their children is a rotten thing to do. This is hardly police harrassment since she got out their first and they were working for the people stuck in rush hour traffic. etc. Ed

    1. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE FRANKFORTFriday, September 6, 2013 at 6:55:00 AM EDT

      I agree with ED.
      That Katie Nelson girl obviously refuses to take responsibility for her past acts. Typical of people like her - the leftists, Marxists, etc to sue a government body in the hope of sucking in hard earned (something I doubt she knows - the concept of honest, hard work) taxpayers' money.
      Maybe she should go find a job along with Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois and Guy A Lepage over at Radio-Canada.

    2. Do we need to have any sympathy to Katie Nelson, particularly considering this?

    LYSIANE GAGNON | September 4, 2013 | La Presse

    The sycophants who want to implement the French model of secularism here don’t know their history, nor that of France.

    Secularism in France was the result of a century of fierce battles between supporters of the former regime, who were strongly supported by the church and the army, and the democrats, who took the Revolution of 1789 for granted. The entire history of the 19th-century was marked by often violent clashes between "papists" and Republicans.

    The history of Quebec is quite another story. A lengthy submission to the Church was followed by a very quiet "revolution". It only took a snap of the fingers (the peaceful rebellion of new elites) for the already-rotting building to collapse, without the clergy even reacting.

    There has never been a rooted and continuous secular tradition in Quebec. Even during the Quiet Revolution, the secular movement only ever was able to gather a handful of people and it quickly fell into oblivion. Trivia: Daniel Baril has been the spokesperson for this movement for 40 years! One cannot say that the group has attempted to renew itself much!

    Quebec’s discovery of this secularism concept coincided quite exactly with the reasonable accommodation "crisis" (a crisis that was manufactured by a few loudmouth demagogues). Let us not seek any reason for this. It is simply the visceral reaction of a heretofore homogeneous people to the immigration of visible minorities.

    Secularism has sturdy shoulders, large enough to take on xenophobia. The same phenomenon is happening in France, where the far-right leader, Marine Le Pen, repeats this word endlessly in order to justify her anti-immigration agenda. Islamophobia, which, it must be said, is more widespread in France than it is in Quebec, now hides behind such noble principles such as gender equality... too bad if the first victims of this absurd game of flag football (i.e. veil football) are vulnerable women, and too bad if this suspicious craze for hardcore secularism reduces the freedom of religion to secondary status (a fundamental freedom akin to the freedom of thought and the freedom of expression).

    Secularism is no more a leftist value in France than it is in Quebec, the proof being that Québec Solidaire has dissociated itself from the PQ‘s draft Charter of Quebec Values. This is a sign that the debate, far from being a clash between separatists and non-separatists, involves two visions of society, one being based on openness and tolerance while the other is based on fear and withdrawal.

    Quebec should be inspired from France in many areas, but not in this one. This would be aping its most controversial aspects, especially its indifference to the great individual freedoms that exist in North America.

    The French government has adopted several laws that go against the freedom to express politically incorrect opinions. France, a big fan of "cultural diversity" (in order to protect its cinematic industry), refuses to recognize regional languages (Basque, Breton, Occitan, etc...) that are still eking out an existence on its territory despite centuries of oppression. Among the tens of thousands of elected officials at various levels, Muslims can still be counted on the fingers of one hand. After having banned the kippah and the simple headscarf for schoolchildren, the state now forbids the public space for those (extremely rare) women who wear the niqab, which forces police to check on their identity - an unnecessary and vexatious crackdown that has resulted in explosive confrontations.

    The authentic culture of Quebec is not that of France. It is that of a North American society with a liberal tradition. Hence the fact that secularism in Quebec can only ever be moderate, open and inclusive, as per the model of the Bouchard-Taylor report.

    1. Great… so not only is Quebec not a real country, but it is also a pale shadow of America and a poor copy of France.

  3. More protests which apparently the separatist papers are not covering:

    1. Is Simon the one in the banana suit or the one taking the picture?

    2. @cebeuq - no because you only get about $500 a month on welfare and therefore, he would have to cut into his limited smoking/drinking fund.

  4. Enjoy the latest video about getting rid of Quebec, kicking them out...hopefully the sooner the better.

    After partition, get lost, scram...please...Before they bankrupt the whole country.

    1. Just what I knew all along - bunch of greedy, self-centered bigots that don't want to give anything back to Canada for what Canada has given them over the past few hundred years. Lowell has it right but we still have to make the new borders of quebec the borders that the POPULATION WANT not what the damn separatists want. On with the partition of this place then they can stuff what's left of it - the faster this takes place the better off we will all be.

    2. And now let's hear from all these supposedly "environmentalists" that hate Alberta oil so much but are now going to extract oil in quebec. Be sure all of you publish your objections here - we want to see them. Watch the bitching about how much money quebec will be short-changed in these deals:
      As Lowell Green pointed out - this is all about money you big huge martyrs out there that think that quebec is better than the rest of Canada. Hypocrites.

  5. Editor, in your weekly update you missed one story: that of a new documentary on anglicisation of Mnotreal that just came out.

    To press its point, the highly one sided film relies on "experts" such as Biz of Loco Locass, Charles Castonguay, Josée Legault, Serge Bouchard, Bernard Landry, Yves Beauchemin, Pierre Curzi, Louise Beaudoin, Yves Michaud et Victor-Lévy Beaulieu.

    The film was savaged by LaPresse. The article is really good, maybe if RS has time and feels like it, he could transcribe it.

      Published August 29, 2013 | MARC CASSIVI - La Presse

      [photo] [NOTE: It reads “Supreme Court of my ass”, “Quebec A country”]

      Some interesting questions are lightly touched upon in
      La langue à terre, such as problems related to the underfunding of francisation programs, but they are quickly drowned out by the film’s premise of catastrophe.

      It’s the best one I’ve heard in a long while. It comes from the documentary La langue à terre [NOTE: this is play on words that can roughly mean either “Isthmus”, “Spit of Land”, “Drooping Tongue”, “Tongue on the floor/ground” or “The language of the land”], shown today at the World Film Festival. It’s about a comedian, but it’s not his joke.

      Sugar Sammy, aka Samir Khullar, is a Montreal comedian of Indian origin who has travelled the world with his shows. He has tens of thousands of fans in Asia, the United States, in the Indian subcontinent, and has hosted his own specials on HBO, Showtime and on the Comedy Network.

      Should he wish, he could have a career abroad only, in English, Punjabi and Hindi, his mother tongue. But Samir Khullar, born in the multi-ethnic neighbourhood of Côte-des-Neiges in Montreal, is a quintessential child of Bill 101. He learned French in school and speaks it well.

      So last year, he decided to create a bilingual show called “You're Gonna Rire”, which he presented in both English and French, and which was specifically aimed at a Quebec audience. He later adapted it as a show for francophones; “In French, please!” will be presented in a few weeks in Drummondville and Victoriaville.

      If one sought to illustrate, with supporting evidence, the successful integration of a son of allophone immigrants to Quebec in order to demonstrate the evolution of the French language situation that is due to Bill 101’s favourable effects, one could hardly do better than Sugar Sammy.

      Coming back to the joke that I mentioned at the beginning of this column, in the La langue à terre documentary, the correspondent for Le Devoir in Paris, Christian Rioux, criticizes Sugar Sammy’s imperfect French grammar - too modeled on English, according to him - to demonstrate the decline of the language of Yvon Deschamps in Quebec.

      No, this is not a Frenchman joke. This is far from the first of similar escapades for Rioux, who often displays the most unintentional humour. He also claims, still without mirth, that Quebec is "creolising" [or “pidginising”] itself by broadcasting songs by Radio Radio and Lisa LeBlanc on its airwaves, Acadians who sing in chiac...

      Criticising Sugar Sammy’s syntactic shortcomings – given that other Quebec comedians all speak impeccable French, of course - is only the tip of the iceberg of the ridiculously alarmist discourse in La langue à terre, an anglophobic rant by Jean-Pierre Roy and Michel Breton that is as distressing/painful as it is despairing, on a topic that is nevertheless relevant: the status of French in Quebec.

      This film would have us believe that Montreal has practically become a unilingual English city and that French has hardly progressed at all in Quebec since the birth of Samir Khullar in 1976, one year before the law was passed that got him to speak four languages, as opposed to only three, and to tour Quebec with a "100% French" show.

    2. With players such as Bernard Landry, Yves Michaud, Victor-Lévy Beaulieu, Patrick Bourgeois (the radical militant, not the singer from the band Les B.B.) as well as Biz from Loco Locass, it is not surprising that the rest of the film is in keeping with this theme, in its tasteful restraint and subtle nuance (I jest). I would imagine that Gilles Proulx couldn’t participate because he had been held up abroad.

      Some interesting questions are lightly touched upon in La langue à terre (such as problems related to the underfunding of francisation programs) but they are quickly drowned out by the simplistic, Manichean doomsday scenario of this catchall film that awkwardly lines up interviews before affording, with no apparent logic, an aside on the "rampant anglicisation" of France.

      The "Great Illness" (that is to say, English) is definitely everywhere and it feeds the most sordid conspiracy theories. In an interview with the former Delegate General of Quebec in New York, John Parisella, we hear one of the filmmakers cast doubt offscreen on the competence and the impartiality of judges from Quebec because they "were appointed by the federal government." Sigh.

      This is not a matter of denying that courts have narrowed the scope of Bill 101 in the past three decades, nor to forget that the minority status of French in North America will always be a concern for Quebec and especially for Montreal. But sounding the death knell, as the filmmakers do, points to either an unlimited amount of bad faith or to a singular ignorance of our history.

      The French language situation has evolved over the past 50 years in Quebec, where the "lingua franca" is not English. No offense to some radicals who are embittered by two referendum defeats (I write this purposefully as I am a separatist) and who are strangely nostalgic for a bygone era, wishing to rekindle the embers of ultra-nationalism in order to put an end to "linguistic peace."

      It has to be seen to be believed: a handful of zealots with their one-track language obsession, “Patriotes” who are stuck in the thinking of 1837, occupying businesses owned by flabbergasted Asians, while loudly demanding to be served in French. On the other side of the language barrier, the filmmakers also present those “snakes in the grass”: several rabid anglophones challenging the PQ’s Bill 14, which is a supremely ironic paradox that also comes from, I presume, unintentional humour.

      One would not blame a foreigner who were to discover Quebec via this tendentious montage to believe that a language war were at the gates, between anglophones who claim to be victims of "franco-supremacists" (such as the former president of Alliance Quebec, William Johnson) and francophones who have not yet digested their defeat at the Plains of Abraham, demonising anglophones by calling them "conquerors" and "masters" (Loco Locass’ Biz).

      Apparently, this is what the filmmakers wish by offering this lovely, welcoming image of an inclusive Quebec that is open to the world. That, on the other hand, is intentional humour.

      Filmmakers argue English poses a serious threat to French in Quebec

      MONTREAL — Jean-Pierre Roy and Michel Breton say they want to start a real dialogue with anglo Quebec. But I don’t think their film La langue à terre is going to win them all that much love and affection from English-speaking Montrealers.

      The theme of their polemical documentary, which has its premiere at the World Film Festival this Thursday, is that our city is under assault by the English language, and that if we don’t do something quick, the city — and the province — is zooming straight toward the same tragic fate as Louisiana.

      It’s probably the subject that most divides anglos and francos. There are very few blokes who believe French is going away any time soon chez nous. Most of us feel we live in a city that is clearly mostly French, and we like it just fine that way. But there are many francos, like Roy and Breton, who are convinced Bill 101 has been so weakened over the years by court challenges that it’s no longer doing an adequate job of protecting la langue française.

      “We had to do something,” said Roy. “We’d like to open some eyes. First of all, talking to francophones, explaining to them how our weak politics over the years have affected the quantity of French in Quebec. Since the second referendum, there’s been a lack of involvement by the politicians. Bill 101 was attacked several times.”

      Roy and Breton make no effort to hide their point of view in La langue à terre. They think French is in danger in Montreal, and they bring in some strong nationalist voices to back up their argument, with many of the usual suspects weighing in on the language debate, including Josée Legault, Yves Michaud, Victor-Lévy Beaulieu, Pierre Curzi, and Biz from engage hip-hop trio Loco Locass.

      “À Montréal, je ne parle jamais anglais” [“In Montreal, I never speak English”], Biz says at one point, neatly summing up how many of the folks here feel.

      Journalist Christian Rioux repeats his controversial argument about how the mélange of English and French is destroying the French language here, going so far as to say that comedian Sugar Sammy can’t even speak French properly. “Even when he speaks French, he speaks English,” Rioux says. Rioux’s point, which the filmmakers support, is that Sugar Sammy uses English grammatical structures when speaking in the language of Tremblay.

      We got into a bit of a debate about that point — Sammy’s French sounds just fine to these untutored ears — but where we really duked it out was over the film’s portrayal of the anglophone community. The two anglos featured most prominently in La langue à terre are former Gazette columnist and Alliance Quebec executive William Johnson, an old-school language hardliner, and Suburban editor Beryl Wajsman, who is shown at a rally saying anglophones should stop paying tax to protest the province’s language politics.

      I politely suggest to the filmmakers that these two do not in any way represent the full spectrum of political views in anglo Montreal. “We have the leaders we deserve,” said Roy. “You saw what Beryl Wajsman says: ‘If we don’t have a say, maybe we shouldn’t pay.’ ” But that’s exactly the problem, I countered. I don’t know any anglos who are ready to throw their own little Boston Tea Party and overthrow the PQ government.

      I asked the filmmakers if they really think that represents the anglo community. “No, we know anglophones who are francophiles, who live in French and who understand the need to support le Québec français,” said Roy. “But there’s also the other side of the coin, which we don’t see very often.”

    4. Interestingly, La langue à terre is also highly critical of the PQ, suggesting that successive governments, both Péquiste and Liberal, did nothing to stop the erosion of Bill 101. The film includes a lengthy section skewering former PQ premier Lucien Bouchard and his adviser Jean-François Lisée, who is now a PQ minister, for their attempt to woo anglophones after the last referendum. In fact, there are a couple of excerpts from Bouchard’s famous Centaur Theatre speech from that time. [NOTE: See “When you go to the hospital and you’re in pain, you need a blood test, but you certainly don’t need a language test.”]

      I wondered aloud how history here might be different if the PQ had any success whatsoever in convincing anglos to support the nationalist project. Why wouldn’t it be possible to persuade a small minority of us that an independent Quebec is a good idea?

      “They can’t vote for anyone but the Liberals,” said Roy. “There’s a political prison chez les anglos. The dream of an independent country, the dream of a French Quebec, vous n’êtes pas capable. You’d have to break with your tradition, and you’re also part of the global anglosphere. In fact, you’re not a real minority.”

      That, I tell him, is another point we’ll just have to agree to disagree on.
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    5. Thank you again for all your work R.S. Very interesting as usual.

  6. FROM ED
    Secularism has never been a problem in Quebec. From as far back s I can remember, which would be the fourties, we respected each others Churches, religious symbols and habits. Lately some shit came up from the politically proper types about religion in gneral; This is the swan song of a dying Parti Quebecois who are taking advantage of the Catholic Church influence of the past.They know that the Hoi Polloi who no longer go to Church still see the Cross as the one thing that might get them to heaven. They are afraid of insulting God and will be pleased that the bill that is against everyone else's religion makes a special protection for their own. This will bring a lot of support from the backwaters of the Province. Ed

  7. Yep - as one of the commentators says "It's about you Pauline" - of course nothing to do with what Miss Piggy stands for:

  8. Be sure to catch Barry Wilson - always tells it like it is - way to go Barry and welcome back!

    1. Miss Piggy should just shut the hell up - it's embarrassing that she can't wait to take money from Alberta oil but doesn't know where the hell Calgary is:

  9. Rumors in the French press: elections on December the 10th.

    Good bye Poutine Marois...I will come to your political funeral with tears of joy and the flag of my new country, Canada.

    1. Can't be soon enough for me! Sept 15 would be even better - maybe then we can have some social peace again - hate mongers.

  10. Alors?Vous allez voter PLQ ou CAQ ?

    Lol x 10

    1. Throwing a vote to the Rhinoceros party would be less detrimental to Quebec than voting for the PQ at this point. 30,000 jobs lost and Pauline says she isn't concerned about it, um ok?

    2. Total of 35,000 as of yesterday - absolutely nothing to worry about!

  11. Yeah, and this will happen:

  12. "Alors?Vous allez voter PLQ ou CAQ ?

    Lol x 10"

    You are DONE, S.R.

    Now it's payback time...

  13. Well we sure can't say that our province is never in the news. This is about the teacher's protest on secularism:

      At least Justin is standing up to Marois on most of these damn bills and policies she keeps trying to put forward. Good for you Justin!

    2. Poor SR, he just isn't aware of anything that happens outside of Quebec. Justin Trudeau is a federal politician in Ottawa. Ottawa is the place where the money for your welfare cheque comes from.

    3. @thatguy

      and you don't seem to be aware of what's happening inside of quebec, mate.

    4. @ student
      Oh, did you miss my list on the last post where I laid out all of the achievements the PQ has made in the past year? Maybe that would change your opinion on my being aware of what is going on in Quebec ;). Again nice attempt at a contribution, but alas you still don't follow up statements with supporting information, that's essay writing 101, looks like it's back to the back of the class with you.

      Here I'll help you out "I student, don't think thatguy is aware of what is going on inside of Quebec because:....."

    5. @thatguy

      i saw your list. really bad. of course it helps in understanding the angryphone phenomenon, but that's it.

      i student, don't think thatguy is aware of what is going on inside of quebec because his list of pq "achievements" is full of falsities.

    6. @Student

      Again student, you need to explain yourself, you work is getting really sloppy. How does it help one understand the "angryphone phenomenon"? That list is written from the point of view of a concerned citizen who is dissatisfied with the current government and their ineptitude, broken promises and terrible policies. Only 3 of the 28 points have anything to do with language, but I don't see how that would be fault, the PQ is the the one obsessed with language, I'm just reporting on what they've done. It's kind of like blaming the news for having too many reports on car crashes if there is an inordinate amount of car crashes in a week, it's not really their fault.

      (Sigh) Student we've talked about this and I shouldn't have to hold your hand this much. You need to support your arguments, here we'll try again from the top:

      I student, don't think thatguy is aware of what is going on inside of Quebec because his list of PQ "achievements" is full of falsities such as:......

    7. @thatguy

      bring your bad list over to the newest post if you want. i'll try to find some time to give it a beating. nobody reads this thread anymore, so i'd be kinda wasting my time.

    8. @ Student
      Are you trying to say you only comment and do your homework for attention? My, My, My what happened to wanting to learn? Though I'm confused as to why you need time to give it a beating? You've already said you know it to contain falsehoods, clearly you have proof already, so no time would be required. Unless of course you are again making unfounded accusations for which you have no proof, which is very poor academic form.

  14. Justin? This guy is a joke! He has no clue what hes doing and people want to make him canadas pm. Can you picture him at the g20 meetings. Lol.

    1. You may be right but out of all the federalists, he's the only one that speaks out against the crazy provincial politics that go on in quebec so I have to give him credit where credit is due. He'll be the best looking one at the G20 meetings anyway! lol I think we have quite awhile to the next election so we'll have to see how well he can carry himself in the house when it resumes sitting before I will be able to make up my mind about anything. Too soon.

    2. You're right. It is too soon also for the other leaders to comment on quebecs new charter because nothings been tabled yet. You really think harper will stand on the sideline and not say anything. I dont think so.

    3. I won't vote for someone who smoke pot.

    4. *smokes* ... have another puff, John.

  15. FROM ED
    In today's Gazette Dr.Couillard says "a right is a right is a right." People wil have the right to wear any religious symbols except the covering of the face which is a good thing. Ed

    1. haha. so he wants to rule on what people can wear too? not too distant from the pq's idea after all.

    2. One is at least for a functional reason, the other is much more vindictive in nature, both are wrong. Something to consider, when we give governments more powers, they tend to use them to restrict freedoms.

    3. @thatguy

      the pq's idea also has a "functional reason". they're doing it for quebec society to function better. think big, mate.

    4. @student

      Think for yourself mate.

      I can't believe what a programmed little robot you are.

      I almost feel sorry for you seppies - you're all too cowardly to think for yourselves and it speaks volumes about the quality of 30% of Quebec's population.

      Freedom for all!

    5. @ Student
      No that's an ideological reason, with two quite large assumptions. The first is Quebec society doesn't function now, which is hardly the case. The other is that this law won't create even more division, which based on the law being essentially government endorsed discrimination I can't see that happening. Nothing says lets live in harmony like discrimination.

    6. Of course the more important question is when did the PQ become a Star Trek villain?

      Not too far off from the ideals being expressed.

  16. I couldn't help noticing the use of the word "Stop!" in the hate message.

    Lends credence to the claim that a unilingual Stop sign in Quebec with just the word "Stop" is perfectly acceptable French.

    1. Quebec language crazies are nothing if not contradictory and highly-selective jingoists. “Stop”, for example, is a perfectly acceptable French word whenever they choose it to suit their purpose, but certainly not otherwise.

    2. @equanimity

      do you have a good reason to assume the letter's author is also a "language crazy" or is it just your traditional bad faith?!?

    3. @student,

      Are you still going to assert that the perpetrator(s) of the hate crime and hate letter aren't Francophones?

    4. @durham

      i never asserted what you are suggesting. why do you so often choose the cheap way of opening up a discussion mate?

      if you want assertions here's two: i assert that i have no idea who threw red liquid on the mosque door and who sent the letter. i also assert that you have no more clue than me about it.

    5. @student,

      You're contradicting yourself. On the August 30 thread you wrote that those responsible for splattering pig's blood on the mosque near Chicoutimi "could be someone who's against the charter of values" (posted on Sept. 2 at 1:38 pm), rather than a Quebecois racist - as suggested by 'JF'.

      It wasn't just "red liquid" that was thrown on the mosque door. It was pig's blood. Even the perpetrator says as much in the hate letter. And since the Saguenay is 98% Francophone and the hate letter was written in French, there's a pretty good chance the perpetrator of the crime was a "Quebecois racist."

    6. @durham

      dude what you quote there is far from being an assertion that it wasn't a francophone. is english your first language? your grasp on it seems pretty rough.

      "It was pig's blood. Even the perpetrator says as much in the hate letter."

      ?!? how do you know? it's not even clear that the red liquid incident and letter incident are the deed of the same chap.

      "there's a pretty good chance the perpetrator of the crime was a "Quebecois racist."

      of course theree is. and a good chance the perpetrator is someone who wants to make tolerant quebeckers look like racists. like you, to make an example you can relate to.

    7. @ Student
      You attribute far too much intelligence to the person who did the vandalism, he wasn't trying to make everyone else look racist, he was just being racist. I mean the guy wasn't even smart enough tor write his own letter he just copy and pasted it from places, we're not dealing with an intellectual heavy weight here, and there is very little chance it's someone who is against the charter doing this as the tin foil hat brigade may suggest. The police have already released a video of the person that delivered the letter.

    8. @thatguy

      "he wasn't trying to make everyone else look racist, he was just being racist."

      how do you know??

      "I mean the guy wasn't even smart enough tor write his own letter he just copy and pasted it from places,..."

      maybe he's not that fluent in french, then.

      "The police have already released a video of the person that delivered the letter."

      and? doesn't say nothing about the motive nor about the red liquid vandal incident.

    9. (sigh) Your refusal to live in reality is disheartening. In your mind it's just as likely that this guy is non-francophone, who can't speak French, who lives in the Sagneuay, but is going to go out and deface a mosque in order to make other people seem racist and undermine the charter, rather than just an idiot bigot with an ax to grind. To say both scenarios are just as likely shows a distinct lack of connection with reality, the cops are investigating it as a hate crime, not as subversive political conspiracy (I think they probably are the best people to listen to about the whole thing, I know they're who I listen to and not the tin foil hat brigade).

      Your juvenile shtick of doubting anything anyone says by sticking your head in the sand in order to support your position is doubly sad based on your relentless support of separation and giving the province more power for the sake of more power, without questioning the consequences of such a move. You've seen the attacks on personal freedoms the PQ has undertaken recently, unbeholden to the other provincial parties or the Federal government their moves would of course would be much more bold and restrictive (they've said as much). Yet you think as soon as separation will take place the leopard will change it's spots, Quebec will become the land of milk and honey, why? Because you show a distinct lack of awareness of causality or consistency. That is why it is hard to take you seriously at all. Humans construct their world and are able to function in it by observing patterns in order to predict future events, and yet you seem to be incapable of doing so.

      All you do is refuse to state a solid stance on pretty much anything, then doubt (not refute that would take too much proof and effort) everything anyone says no matter how reasonable the assertion is, because they can't prove it 100%. Oh well yes it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, but you don't have a DNA test to prove it's a duck, so it could be anything! Alas you've confined yourself to the troll dustbin of this forum alongside SR, where he posts his ridiculous (and easily debunked) ideas, all you have become is a contrarian cipher, a flowchart of the same tired process.

      I could program a simple routine to replace you 1. Scan forum for statements. 2. Select statement no matter how reasonable and likely they are to be true, quote them and say you can't prove this 100%. 3. Take no stand on the matter or offer what you think to be a more likely scenario 4. Add in a couple of "mates" for good measure. 5. Add nothing to the conversation.

      And just like that you'd be replaced, which should impart upon you the level of contribution you make. I of course am simply saying all of this to help you! You wouldn't want to be a student for the rest of your life and in order to graduate one must be able to write compelling opinion essays, taking a stance and defending it. Handing in a 1 line essay that reads "There is no way to prove 100% anything so I refuse to state an opinion" just won't cut it, mon ami! So when you finally receive your art history degree from UQAM in 5 years you can thank me.

    10. @thatguy

      if the letter's creator was a pure laine french quebecker, don't you think he would have written the thing himself instead of copy pasting things from various french websites?

      and let's say a hardcore anti-pq freak like durham really wanted to hurt the chances of this charter to pass, what could he do? exactly.

      "I of course am simply saying all of this to help you!"

      thanks mate.

      "You wouldn't want to be a student for the rest of your life..."

      of course i would. you should have carried on to. you never know too much.

    11. @thatguy

      "All you do is refuse to state a solid stance on pretty much anything..."

      you seem to resent my tendency not to go all out on matters that require circumpection. well is there a particular subject on which you require a solid stance from me? i'll do my best.

    12. @Editor

      Why are you shooting down my posts?

      There really is nothing incendiary about them and they sure as hell aren't on the same keel of flame-baiting that student's posts are

      While I understand you have a set of rules for your blog, I feel you're being over-zealous, but worst of all, over-protective of these trolls.

      I can understand why you don't want people calling each other assholes and whores back and forth, but now you're treading PQ territory by zapping comments that express personal viewpoints of a movement's collective character.

      In effect what I say about them is no different than you write yourself - difference is, like Eminem, I just say what we're all really thinking and not holding back.

      PS - Let us not forget that student referred to AnecTOTE as a "rim job artist" and you just left it up.

      Good work.

    13. @ Student

      "if the letter's creator was a pure laine french quebecker, don't you think he would have written the thing himself instead of copy pasting things from various french websites?"

      We have our very own example of that right here on this very blog, all SR does is post quotes and links to the work of others. So no I don't think that even if the perpetrator was a French Canadian that that guarantees he would write his own letter. Anyone who thinks vandalizing someone else's place of worship is acceptable clearly isn't an intellectual heavy weight, probably someone who is much too easily influenced by the hateful writings of others, and who can't think for themselves, and as such wouldn't be able to write down their own message and would just takes the ideas of others.

      So you really do believe that someone who is anti PQ would drive all the way there, buy pigs blood, make a fake letter, and vandalize a mosque? In effect, think this whole thing through in detail as a very subversive plan, and then this master political criminal would be so stupid as to get caught on camera trying to deliver the letter? If that's the case I have some prime Florida swampland to sell you. The whole thing is on the same level as a 9/11 conspiracy or chem-trails. Is it possible? yes. But it's also possible that the guy is a pro-charter person who is trying to make himself out to look like an anti-charter person and then purposefully being caught and that will raise support for the charter, however are either of these scenarios likely? Not a snowballs chance in hell, so why even bring them up?

      What would an anti PQ person more likely do if they were against the charter? Denounce it would probably be a much more likely avenue than engaging in some weird conspiracy. I really don't know why you see the need to even suggest a grand conspiracy, one bigot did a terrible thing, this isn't a spy thriller, it was terrible and it doesn't reflect on the majority of people in the Sagueny.

      "thanks mate."
      No problem mate, see #4.

      I'm not going to go through hundreds of posts and make a list of all the topics in which you reject everyone's opinion, then offer no alternative or anything of substance, no one has that kind of time. The only thing I can conclude from your way of commenting is either you have no opinions or thoughts on the subjects you post on, meaning you only do so to attack others "aka being a troll" or you are so insecure about your opinions that you think you have to hide them from others lest they be attack in the same way that you attacks others' ideas. Either way it's not helpful to any debate in the least.

    14. @thatguy

      "Is it possible? yes."

      then please from now on be careful not to judge people before obtaining one or two facts to back you up.

      "I'm not going to go through hundreds of posts and make a list of all the topics..."

      then please don't complain about not getting my opinion on things. you don't seem to miss it that much.

      "...why you see the need to even suggest a grand conspiracy..."

      i never suggested a grand conspiracy, just a dude who saw an opportunity to hit the pq. and i'm not saying that i firmly believe this. but the various possibilites makes it impossible for anyone, today, to be affirmative about it. including you. it's similar to the on off switches complaints to the oqlf weeks before hearings on bill 14 last winter. maybe the same angryphone is behind these two hits... you have to realize that an angrypohone went as far as killing people for the hate of the pq. so between this extreme and living peacefully there's room for every kind of action.

    15. I believe my full quote was:

      "Is it possible? yes. But it's also possible that the guy is a pro-charter person who is trying to make himself out to look like an anti-charter person and then purposefully being caught and that will raise support for the charter, however are either of these scenarios likely? Not a snowballs chance in hell, so why even bring them up?"

      A rational person would not take this as an actual avocation as to the real possibility of your conspiracy theory having any basis in reality. The facts of the case as they stand are fairly clear, someone vandalized a mosque, left a bigoted letter and was caught on camera. Hence the conclusion that a bigot from the town did the crime is far more supported than some off the wall anglophone conspiracy theory that has absolutely no factual backing at all. I mean you seriously suggest that a person would go from making complaints about on/off switches (though I have no idea what you're talking about here, the only story I can find relating to this at all is at Joe Beef where the OQLF told them to change the on/off switch to something French)to committing felonies simply because they don't like the PQ?

      For your home work I think you should do some reading on Occam's razor, your personal feelings about anglophones and people that don't support the PQ seem to be clouding what should be an obvious and pretty uncontroversial conclusion.

      You seem to be referencing Richard Bain as an angryphone who killed people, the man is clearly crazy above all else, and has stated he did it for business reasons and not for language reasons, something about almost getting a license and Marois would ruin it? Either way his reasoning is completely besides the point, as is his mother tongue, as the man is clearly insane. All of that aside he only killed one person not people, thankfully. To use the actions of one man as the justification for the existence of a secret anglophone plot to discredit the charter through violent acts is truly troubling reasoning, and really borders on paranoia. Of course no one need go to such lengths to discredit the charter, it is onerous and unworthy for Quebec on its' own merits.

      "then please don't complain about not getting my opinion on things. you don't seem to miss it that much."

      Now, now, no need to get all in a huff. I just don't have the time to correct all of your current homework as well as all of your work from the past semester. But please in the future put forward compelling arguments, and check your work before submitting it.

    16. @johnny rotten

      "Why are you shooting down my posts?"

      cause they don't rise to minimum acceptable quality level mate.

  17. FROM ED

    MONTREAL - CAQ leader Francois Legault is blasting Premier Pauline Marois for suggesting that her Parti Quebecois government will likely abandon its efforts to get his party's support for a bill that would create further restrictions on languages other than French.

    Legault said Saturday that some version of Bill 14 is necessary, as changes are needed to better integrate immigrants and to ensure that businesses with between 25 and 50 employees operate in French.

    Legault said that PQ ministers Diane De Courcy and Jean-François Lisée both seem willing to make some of the concessions required to get the CAQ support required to give the bill a chance to pass.
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    Bill 14 not likely to pass: Marois

    Legault accused Marois of “lacking political courage” and said that her position is being dictated by language hardliners who refuse to see the bill watered down.

    Legault acknowledged a recent five point rise in the polls for Marois and the Parti Quebecois, which he credited to the Lac Megantic crisis.

    Leagult, whose numbers dipped, said that he is not worried, as he has learned that polls are a “roller coaster.”

    Read more:
    Apparently he wanted sme of the parts of the horror passed. Ed

    1. CAQ has gotten scared by uptick in polls for PQ from the charter of values.

      They are scared and trying to adopt fringe PQ positions that appeal to PQ voters in the the same way as the PQ.

      Totally disgusting.

      The PQ absolutely hate everybody except direct descendants of original Franch settlers. They are working hard to enshrine the idea of "second class citizen and rights" into western culture.

      The CAQ once a possible party of sense, now more marginal in the polls. Gets scared and reverts to PQ like positions. Has to throw it's credibility away to appeal to pure laine hillbillies whose vote is worth 5 times one in montreal.

      The Liberals talk big.

      People will vote for them once instead of PQ and CAQ.

      Once in power, they will continue to talk about the economy. The soft idiot voter cannot relate to the economy. He needs more hate fare.

      Liberals start to drop in the polls.

      Then the liberals will run to their old backtop of kicking anglophones when an election is needed.

      Is it possible to launch a class action lawsuit against the govt for ignoring it;s own riding size rules for too many years running?

      This is at the core the problem with Quebec "democracy".

      The woodchucks ( in the hinterland can outvote us.

      Even the Liberals when in govt successive times have allowed the ridings to continue.

      Perhaps the problem is some nutjob PQ enclave inside the civil service being paid off by the PQ to never allow the ridings to change.

      They will always ignore it quietly and never apply the rules.

      In all seriousness tho. Quebec is unable to plot a 20th century course for itself when the woodchucks run the province by distorting democracy.

      Julius Grey, how about it?



      Sorry - the above link does not work (Re: September 7, 2013 at 10:45 AM EDT) -
      Editor: What happened to the "Delete" option for our posts? Thank you.

    2. ah back now - don't know what's happened but I had to sign in again at Blogger = few hiccups today I guess.

    3. More on secularism from the Huffington Post:

    4. An interview with Hugo of the Quebec Office of the English Language:

    5. FROM ED
      One would think that being English involving Hugo Shebbeare someone would provide a translation. Perhaps the QOEL Ed*

  19. For those who think that the Americans are a bunch of ignorant people, ignorant of other cultures and languages, check this out. Is it not funny that the U.S. Secretary of State speaks French better than the Premier of Quebec speaks English?

    A shining example of Quebec French education system, perhaps?

    1. Kerry has ambition and drive.

      It's hardly fair to compare him against the values and education that Marios and others are left with after the Quebec "education/indoctrination" system has finished with them.

      It's not her fault she's this stupid and illogical.

      It's like we say with kids. Little Pauline isn;t bad, she's just not old(educated) enough to know better.

      It's our problem that she's in power and perpetuates the system of stupidity however!

    2. @troy

      you're not gonna prove anything about a bunch of americans by bringing forward the skills of the top elite dude in the usa. nobody ever said that all americans were ignorant. you're fighting your own straw man here troy. hopefully it amuses you.

    3. Anyone else smell that?

      It's the bottom of the barrel dripping off the scraper.

    4. student,

      you're not gonna prove anything about a bunch of americans...

      Do you have comprehension or reading difficulty? I clearly prove that:

      The U.S. Secretary of State speaks French better than the Premier of Quebec speaks English.

      Can you refute that?

    5. FROM ED

    6. @troy

      no i can't. but why did you address this to "those who think that the Americans are a bunch of ignorant people"?

      even after they acknowledge that john kerry is cool, they will still be free to keep on thinking this way.

      the only dude you disprove here is the one who said all americans are ignorants. and who said that? exactly mate, nobody. really basic logics involved here.

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    8. student,

      Okay, you are absolutely right. My bad. I was not suppose to write that way. Let me then repost, if it pleases you. My post would then be like this:

      French is such an important and global language that the Top Diplomat of the most powerful country in the world speaks that language fluently. Those who live in Quebec are thus very fortunate that Quebec is a French-speaking jurisdiction. The importance of French is further underlined by the fact that there is no need for the Leader of this province to speak any other language. As such, the Premier of Quebec has less fluency in English than the U.S. Secretary of State, even though Quebec does most of its trades in English.

  20. And here's all we need to prove that the numbers in quebec just get worse and worse. God, we're such losers in this province:

    1. As if we didn't know that this woman knows nothing about the rest of Canada let alone how to live with others without harassing them:

    2. From the school board to Miss Piggy:

    3. Cutie, thanks for some very interesting reads.

    4. You're more than welcome. So much going on in this province right now it's hard to keep up with all the negative publicity. Get most of it off of FB because there are so many groups fighting these bigots thank God.

  21. "Quebec Premier Pauline Marois says she didn't mean to offend anyone with comments blaming multiculturalism for social unrest and bombs in Britain."

    The irony of course is the only significant times terrorist bombs have been set off in Quebec history have been over separatist ideology (as recently as 12 years ago), not multiculturalism. I assume this is, along with many other things, are lost on Mrs. Marois. Perhaps she should give up with separation if she is concerned about the resulting violence of an ideology? Perhaps she should encourage French Canadians to assimilate into the rest of English Canada if she is so concerned about multiculturalism? Personally I believe that she is looking for a solution to a problem that does not exist, while she continues to ignore actual problems that exist in Quebec. 35,000 jobs lost in the last two months? Don’t worry Marois says she isn’t concerned

    “Premier Pauline Marois says that she is unperturbed by news of further job losses in Quebec, where 21,000 full-time jobs were created but 26,000 part-time jobs were eliminated last month.”

    “Premier Marois said that her PQ government is concentrating on supporting Quebec businesses which are solid enough to keep hiring more people.”

    Clearly there aren’t enough of those businesses to create a net gain in jobs so that’s clearly not going to work, secondly wouldn’t it make more sense to help out businesses that aren’t solid enough to create jobs?

    1. "Don’t worry Marois says she isn’t concerned."

      it's not very clever to lie about something and expose it yourself the next line. unless you can't perceive the difference between being concerned and being perturbed. so what will it be? stupid lier or problems with the english language?

    2. student,

      While I understand that you are still studying in the process to be educated and knowledgeable enough to join meaningful conversation, you may want to consult an English thesaurus. There you would see that "to concern" is a synonym of "to perturb".

    3. @ Student
      As Troy pointed out student the problem lies in your comprehension of the English language, not mine. So let me assure you, someone being unperturbed and unconcerned are very much the same thing in this context. While we're at it, liar isn't spelt "lier". Of course I forgive you for your misguided anger, you are still a student after all.

    4. i still think it's possible for the premier to be concerned and unperturbed. the definitions are different.

    5. ah and spelling cops aren't allowed on this blog. check out the rules mate.

    6. student,

      i still think it's possible for the premier to be concerned and unperturbed. the definitions are different.

      Very good. Now you know better than even the Merriam-Webster thesaurus. What do they know, right? They just stupidly write that 'concern' and 'perturb' are synonymous.

    7. @ Student
      I'm offended you think I'm policing, I'm just trying to help you out with your English, as it clearly needs work. The other objective was to showcase the folly of your ad hominem attack on me, claiming my English skills were sub par, while in your own accusation you make numerous errors, in effect proving you are not in a position to make such accusations. I do however find you to be lacking as a student, when in the face of being corrected with overwhelming evidence, on a subject which you are inferior, you reject corrections. How do you expect to learn anything in such a way? Truly disappointing. It is becoming clear why you are a perpetual student, you close your ears to the truth and only hear what you want to hear.

  22. FROM ED
    THATGUY, Don't be too hard on student, they just don't know. My grandson is a student. I taught him everything i know and he still don't know nothin'. Ed

    1. ed is this false modesty or a confession that you don't have much to pass along?

    2. @ Student
      I believe what ED is trying to get at is, you don't learn very well even when being taught.

      You really need to spell things out for student, so try and make things as explicit as possible, other wise he gets confused. Also try and avoid big words like perturbed, he doesn't understand their meaning and gets angry when you point that out.