Friday, March 8, 2013

Seven Dirty Lies of the Sovereignty Movement

I'm going to forgo the usual bustle of the French versus English Friday post this week because quite honestly, I've been out of the country and just haven't had the necessary time to devote to culling the many, many stories that have propagated in the news pages concerning the ongoing linguistic war being waged by the PQ government and its dark minions of evil on the English and Ethnic citizens of Quebec.

And so I'm presenting this post, which I wrote a while back for just such an occasion. It concerns the vast campaign of disinformation being waged by Franco-supremacists in order to brainwash the masses into believing that they are a sad, exploited and put upon nation, living in imminent danger of having its values, culture and language destroyed by the evil Anglos.


Lie # 1
Quebec Anglos are the best treated minority in the world
I've started out with this oft-repeated bit of nonsense because it is without a doubt the easiest to refute.
Every time I hear a Franco-supremacist repeat this bit of drivel, I ask but one question....

"What about the Natives?"

Hmmm.... That has them backpedalling fast, but no matter, Anglo-Quebecers aren't even the second best treated minority in Canada, that would be of course French-speaking Canadians.

It boggles the mind that this ridiculous myth has any legs at all.
Let us remember that on an Air Canada flight between Victoria and Vancouver (in a province where less than 1.6% of citizens are French,) a passenger has the absolute right to be served in French, while on a city bus driving between Montreal West and Hampstead, (where 80% of citizens are English-speaking,) the driver is protected by law from answering any question in English.

From coast to coast, Quebec Francophones seem to be oblivious to the protection afforded their language by the federal government and official bilingualism.

I flew into Montreal a couple of nights ago on a Westjet flight from the United States where the cabin crew barely spoke a word of French but had at least one member of the crew who did speak some French, because the law demanded that it be that way.
Whether in a Via train in Saskatchewan or a Westjet flight to Montreal, French is under the judicious protection of the federal government.
That is why a box of corn flakes or a bottle of ketchup  is bilingual, even in Nunivat.
An international conference sponsored by the federal government in Toronto will be forced to be bilingual and the cost of this national bilingualism is borne largely by English citizens across Canada, who in reality have little or no use for French, other than respect.

For Francophones who don't understand, imagine the benefit to Spanish culture if the United States government imposed the same official language act that we live under in Canada, in that case, in favour of Spanish.

Them's the facts.

Lie #2
Quebec is Anglicizing
How is it that the PQ government can make the startling claim that the province is Anglicizing without a shred of evidence?

There exists not one bona fide study or report prepared by any reputable organization that so much as hints that Quebec is becoming more English.
It is in fact one of the great lies of Franco-supremacists that English is on the upswing in Quebec.

Every single report that I've seen, maintains that after decades of decline, the best the English community can hope for is to see their numbers stabilize. This even includes those immigrants who are absorbed into the English side of the linguistic equation.

As for the 'pernicious' growing influence of English in Montreal, it really has to do with altered perceptions, where the sight of one English or bilingual sign sends militants into convulsions. The overreaction is based in fact on how well the city has been sanitized.
 As for the other complaint that workers are being asked to speak English as well as French on the job, a fate worse than death, there is no documentary evidence that this is on the increase.
In fact, it is more likely on the decline, a view every bit as valid as those that believe that bilingualism is on the upswing, because, once again, there is ABSOLUTELY NO DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE.

Looking back 150 years, there is no period of time where English had less of an influence in Quebec than today and I defy anyone to present documentary evidence to the contrary.

As for the idea that any perceived increase in the use of English by francophones will lead Quebecers to abandon their culture and language, I would ask any of our militant commenters whether anyone in their family has turned into a tea-drinking, Queen-loving Anglo turncoat because they learned to order breakfast in English.
Even those highly educated francophones who speak flawless English, like Jacques Parizeau or Jean-François Lisée don't seem to be in much danger of abandoning their roots and so I must conclude that according to them,  it is only weak-minded Hoi-polloi who are in danger.

These cries that French is in danger is nothing more than a separatist ploy to whip up support for sovereignty through fear, and reminds me of the folk tale of Chicken Little who falsely propagated the hysterical and mistaken belief that the sky was falling, all because an acorn fell on its head.


Lie#3
Anglos stole the 1995 referendum
Once more a case of wishful thinking.
The argument is that Ottawa and murky underground anglo groups illegally funded anti-sovereignty activities in direct contravention of the referendum law, with the famous pre-referendum Unity Rally in Montreal, which became known as the infamous 'Love-In' serving as the best example.

There is no doubt that forces outside Quebec spent money, but the referendum law that prohibited these acts was itself found overly restrictive by the courts and those charged with contravening the spending aspect of the act saw the charges against them dropped.
If anyone tried to steal the referendum it was the PQ with its ridiculous referendum law which they knew could never stand a legal test.
Their thinking was that the referendum would be over before a court challenge could ever be resolved and in this respect their thinking was bang on. Separatists are angry because some of us refused to play by their crooked rules.
I distinctly remember our group receiving at least two private legal opinions before the referendum that the law could not be upheld and that spending by outsiders was perfectly legal.
Separatists who complain that Anglos stole the referendum remind me of a bank robber who complains that his partner in crime divided up the booty unfairly.  Tough noogies!
After the referendum, the Chief Electoral Officer of Quebec, Pierre F. Côté, filed 20 criminal charges of illegal expenditures by Option Canada and others on behalf of the "No" side, which were dropped after the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that parts of the referendum law were too restrictive on third-party spending. Wikipedia
"All the big fuss is based on two fallacies : First, that it was illegal for Ottawa to spend money defending federalism, unless it was authorized by the Non umbrella committee. Secondly, that private citizens or companies from outside Quebec could not spend money on a trip to Montreal unless it was also authorized and included in the spending permitted by Quebec’s Referendum Act.
In fact, during the 1980 referendum on sovereignty-association, federal government spending was challenged before the Referendum Council, set up under the Referendum Act. The decision rendered May 16, 1980, in Boucher vs. Mediacom, written by Chief Justice Alan Gold of the Quebec Superior Court was that the federal government was in no way bound by the spending restrictions imposed by the Referendum Act. "No law affects the rights of the Crown, unless they are specifically included, or again unless (the Crown) accepted it, which is not the case here, so that even the government of Quebec is not bound by the Referendum Act, 1978, Chapter 6. A fortiori, the government of Canada is not bound by the Quebec legislation unless it has accepted to be bound, which likewise is not the case."  Read more by William Johnson
The other complaint by sovereigntists is that new immigrants had their citizenship applications allegedly speeded up by Ottawa to make them eligible to vote in the referendum.
The other complaint is that students from outside the province voted illegally, both groups tipping the balance in favour of the NO side.

Even if this was true, which it was not, the numbers just don't add up to 54,000 votes, enough to tip the balance and in fact only 32 students were ever fined for voting illegally.

Also forgotten in all this is the 10,000 votes that were stricken from English ridings by scrutineers chosen by the PQ.
"Controversy arose over whether the scrutineers of the Chomedey, Marguerite-Bourgeois and Laurier-Dorion ridings had rejected numerous ballots without valid reasons, mostly by being overly strict on what marks voters could use to indicate their choices (for instance, rejecting ballots with check-marks or "X"s that were crooked, too large, made with a pen instead of a pencil, etc.). In these ridings the "No" vote was dominant, and the proportion of rejected ballots was 12%, 5.5% and 3.6%. In the riding of Chomedey, an average of 1 of every 9 ballots were rejected. Thomas Mulcair, member of the Quebec National Assembly for Chomedey, told reporters after the vote that there was "an orchestrated attempt to steal the vote" in his riding. Wikipedia
Lie#4
Quebec pays more to Ottawa than it receives
This pearl is laughable because only those who with the mentality of someone who believes in the tooth fairy or a flat Earth can muster the blind faith to adhere to a precept so patently false.
A leading Quebec economist has reported that for every $1.00 Quebec contributes to Ottawa, it receives back $1.45.
One of the more interesting ploys of Quebec separatists is to harp upon the programs where Quebec is short-changed, never willing to add up the total benefits/contributions of all the programs to come to a fair conclusion.
Every time you hear Pauline or other separatists rail against Ottawa's over-contribution to the shipbuilding programs in other provinces, or support for auto workers in Ontario or tax breaks for the Oil sands, you are seeing the dishonest process of cherry-picking.

 Most Quebecers know in their hearts where the truth lies and the fact that they don't really believe in this lie is in fact, the biggest impediment to sovereignty.
If it were true that Quebec was a net contributor to Canada's finances, the province would have been independent long ago.
Imagine if Alberta's Oil Sands were located in Quebec. Arggghhhh!........

Lie#5
Quebec's poor financial state is overstated
Separatists will always find a way to deny reality, especially when that reality is unpleasant.
Quebec's poor financial situation is one area that they have been working overtime to cherry-pick and massage data to create an alternate universe.

My favourite is the case made that Quebec's debt is not so serious because assets that would appear on a corporate balance sheet, mitigating debt, are not considered by the enemies of Quebec.

In other words it is unfair to say Quebec's debt is high if one doesn't consider it's assets or to put it simply, it's like considering a house mortgage as a liability without offsetting it by the value of the house.
And so we are told that Quebec's relative debt is really much, much smaller because of the massive asset that is represented by Hydro-Quebec, valued by militants at over $100 billion. To them, when considering the province's indebtedness (which is about $150 billion,)  one needs to subtract the value of Hydro-Quebec.

It's a neat argument that sounds good but one that fails on many grounds.
Firstly, you can't count the value of the cow and the value of it's milk production at the same time. It's one or the other.

The $100 billion valuation for Hydro-Quebec is vastly exaggerated, the state-run power agency only produces about $3 billion in profit which would place the real value on the market at a lot less unless electricity fees would be allowed to rise to market rates, not likely.
Anyways, Quebecers have been brainwashed into believing that Hydro-Quebec is a national treasure and there is no scenario that can realistically envision it being sold off.

Secondly, almost half the profit generated by Hydro comes from power obtained cheaply from Newfoundland and with the deal set to expire in twenty-five years, investors, especially institutions would discount the value of the company substantially.
Thirdly, electricity prices are collapsing in the USA, Hydro's main export market, due to conservation efforts and the vast pools of shale gas coming to market, undercutting the cost of power from Hydro-Quebec for the first time ever.
Hydro-Quebec is fast  becoming 'old expensive power'

Each year Hydro-Quebec contributes about $3 billion to the Quebec budget and if it were to be sold, that money would have to be replaced. Quebec would pay less interest as it paid down the debt with the proceeds of the Hydro-Quebec sale, but it wouldn't be much farther ahead.

Evolution of Equalization payments to Quebec in billions of $$
It is also a question of cash-flow.
Think of the proverbial aristocratic English family, living in an expensive-to-run castle that has lots of expensive heirlooms and paintings, perhaps worth millions of pounds, but without selling them off there is not enough money to pay the bills.

Between public service pension obligations that are skyrocketing and an over-bloated public service, coupled with a Cadillac entitlement  program, Quebec is not generating enough funds to pay for it's spending.
Over the last two decades the shortfall in revenue has been filled by public borrowing and an increasingly generous bailout program from Ottawa via equalization payments, now standing at $8.5 billion a year. It is only a matter of a few short years before Quebec reaches its very own fiscal cliff.




 Quebec may not be Greece, but it is no Switzerland, that is for sure.
To believe that Quebec is in decent financial shape is a case of whistling through the graveyard.

Lie#6
Montreal is a French city 
The depiction by the OQLF and French language militants  of Montreal as a French city under attack by English forces determined to bilingualize and thus conquer the city is perhaps the greatest and most pernicious lie of the sovereignty movement.

Not to put too fine a point on it, Montreal was built by the English and Scots, with most of the heavy lifting done by the Irish.
It is a historical fact, evidenced by the almost exclusively English-named streets that crisscross the downtown core.

Again to quote French militant numbers, Montreal has only 49% French speaking citizens with French as mother-tongue, with most of them living in the inconspicuous wasteland of the East end.
Parts west of St. Denis, including the dynamic downtown core, the university districts and the artistically creative neighbourhoods, and in fact anything of interest in Montreal, lies in what may be the most bilingual city in the world.... Montreal, west of St. Denis.
When I say bilingual, it is because you can find Francophones, Anglophones and Ethnics, perfectly comfortable speaking English and French.
If you visited Montreal from Canada or abroad , I'm sure you'll attest to that fact.

Montreal's bilingualism makes it one of the most dynamic and exciting places to live in North America and it's no accident that the serendipitous mix has led Montreal to remain the creative capital of Canada and in fact one of the most influential centres of culture, art and music in North America.

To French language militants, the success of McGill University, Arcade Fire, Montreal smoked meat and world famous bagels are humiliations, rather than sources of pride.

To them all I can say is Bah, Humbug!

Lie#7
Quebec's English population makes up just 8.5% of Quebec's population.
Here is another neat trick employed by militants to alter reality, by claiming that Quebec's Anglo population is only 8.5% while Statistics Canada pegs that number at 13.5%
How do  the separatists justify the lower number?
By cleverly using the mother-tongue argument to sidestep reality.
It is indeed a fact that only 8.5% of Quebecers have English as a mother tongue, but many Quebecers without English as a mother tongue use English day to day, making them Anglophones by fact.

Let's go by the numbers provided by militants themselves, who claim that Quebecers with French as a mother-tongue has fallen to 79% of the total population of Quebec .
Add the 79% number of Francophones 'de souche' to the 8.5% English 'de souche', (numbers that these militants themselves offer,) and it yields a total of 87.5% of the total Quebec population.
That leaves the remainder, or 12.5% of Quebecers as those with neither French or English as a mother tongue.

French militants have long complained that close to half of 'les autres' (45%) are integrating into the Anglophone community. (these are their own numbers, not mine) and so about 45% of the 12.5% or  5.65%, align themselves with the English community and the other 6.85% align themselves with the francophone majority.
Do the math, even separatists can do their sums when they want to..
8.5% Anglophone English speakers,  plus 5.65% Ethnic English speakers yields 14.15% English speakers in Quebec.
Hmm.... that number corresponds closely with what Statistics Canada tells us!


Every time you hear the separatist talking about English as a mother tongue, it is just another device to lower the numbers of those who prefer to speak English.

Statistical manipulation and cherry-picking, lies and outright bullshit is stock in trade for Franco-supremacists.
Remeber these few facts when confronted with their cruel attempts to mislead.

That's it for now, I've got a lot more but have run out of time.

Have a great week-end!
Bonne fin de semaine!

314 comments:

  1. And you want to make a country out of THIS?

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    1. Looks like Le peuple conquis is witnesing the dwarfing of it’s seven lies. Poor racist cult.

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    2. As usual ...well said!

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  2. Who gives a shit about people who chose to immigrate to Quebec and then not bother to learn the majority language, instead learning the language of a small minority. The only Anglophones who matter in Quebec are English-speaking aboriginals and member of the Anglo-Quebecois and English Canadian English-speaking communities. If you're an Allophone who learned English but did not bother learning French and yet chose to live in Quebec, that's your own goddam fault.

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    1. utter nonsense,,,,last time I checked Kweebec was part of Canada where English is an official language .. Therefore any immigrant learn & speak any language that they choose... only in this Banana Republic do people think the way you think........

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    2. yes, Land, typical separatist drivel...Anyway, French are a minority in Canada and will always be. Even in Montreal, Anglos and Allos are 63.5% (read some statistics, I mean, the real ones, not the ones pulled out by Liseé or Beaulieu).
      Clear: Montreal never was and will never be a French city. Paris is a French city, Nîmes is a French city. But Montreal, not at all.

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    3. Nobody immigrates to QC. It’s not a country! People come to our country, Canada.
      Quebec use to be an amazing province, but after the reporter who witnessed the atrocities in Auschwitz returned to start up the PQ and create the new québécois race, the place has gone Goebbels!

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    4. @un canadien

      "Quebec use to be an amazing province,..."

      oh yeah. i'm nostalgic too, mate. the speak white era. les nègres blanc d'amérique. le temps des bouffons. english bosses and french workers. ah! good old times!

      kudos for the godwin point. you're quick.

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    5. Well look who’s back, the putrid racist who only a few blog post ago was threatening people and who now needs to use French Canadian as identity because he knows that rené Lévesque, after witnessing the atrocities in Auschwitz, returned to his peaceful and welcoming country to create la race québécois and the political wing of the terrorists FLQ!

      Yeah, you’ve got a lot to be proud of , you racist slime student!

      Man, it's so good not being you...

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    6. @un canadien

      eeeew. defamation now. really bad choice, mate. i'm not going to bite on that one. sorry.

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    7. What about using cooperation instead of coercion, Anonymous? The carrot instead of the stick? Doesn’t coercion turn YOU off from doing anything? Maybe free French courses would help French more than taping over On/Off buttons.

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  3. Yes, Anglo-Quebecois, First Nations peoples, and English Canadians deserve to have language rights in Quebec. That was part of the grand bargain which forms the fundamental underpinnings of the Canadian Confederation and which governs the relationships among its founding nations. And yes, moreover, certain aspects of Bill 14 and of the Marois' government program go much too far in abrogating these historic rights. If, however, your native language is Italian, Chinese, Yiddish, Greek, or whatever else and you chose to immigrate to Quebec and to learn English instead of French in a jurisdiction where nearly 90% of the population speaks French as their first official language, then it's safe to say that it's your goddamn fault if some sectors of Francophone majority resent you. They don't resent you because you're an immigrant; they don't rest because your native language is not French; Hell, they don't even resent you because you speak English. The ones who resent you for learning them both are close-minded, culturally-illiterate kooks. They resent you because in choosing to learn English while brushing aside the language of the majority, you have shown an unspeakably flagrant level of disrespect to your host society. Even if it may have made sense to learn English first if you arrived in Montreal prior to the Quiet Revolution and to passage of Bill 101 some 10 or 15 years later, in choosing to learn the language of your host society's minority upon arriving here, you greatly increase the level of obligation that you have to learn the language of its majority and the right that its majority has to impose burdens on you for choosing not to do so.

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    1. That seems like a preposterous argument in a country made entirely of immigrants: yes, even the French are immigrants. Why should they have greater rights than any other immigrant?

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    2. Anonymous, by your own argument, french people should be speaking english because that is the language of the majority in this nation.
      If you think it is disrespectful not to learn another language, maybe its time you learned another. It takes thousands of hours of practice to learn a second language. Maybe you should spend 3,000 hours cleaning toilets, without pay, out of respect, too. If you want me to do something useless, you should pay me to do it. Don't assume that I will undertake a major investment out of love for a group of people that treat me like garbage.
      If French people can't convince Quebecers to learn french, it is not those people are disrespectful, it is because THEY HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO. Besides, why should we perpetuate a cultural genocide against the Russians and Vietnamese and Mexicans and English and Indians and Arabs and Jews "out of respect" for French?
      It is quite clear that they do not have respect for us.

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    3. "Why should they have greater rights than any other immigrant?"

      Vous avez échoué vos examens d'histoire du canada...N'est-ce pas? :)

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    4. Part 1 of 2

      "They don't resent you because you're an immigrant; they don't rest because your native language is not French; Hell, they don't even resent you because you speak English. The ones who resent you for learning them both are close-minded, culturally-illiterate kooks. They resent you because in choosing to learn English while brushing aside the language of the majority, you have shown an unspeakably flagrant level of disrespect to your host society."

      I’m sure I’ve mentioned this already, but I will re-iterate to make a point:

      The moment I leave my front door in the morning, I speak French…this is automatic, it just happens and for the entire day when I am out and about, at my place of work, in shops, in the subway, (lol), I speak French, so…yes…and so what? If I were in Switzerland and walking the streets on the German side, I would speak German. If I were on the French side, I would speak French, and if I were on the Italian side, I would speak Italian. Why? Language is simply a tool. It is a key we use to unlock the gates of human interaction. But here, in this province, it’s been muddle with Identity and this is a grave folly. It is this province’s undoing. Also if "they" resent me (as you state), for choosing English (and I am not " brushing aside the language”…please read the first statement I made in this post), even though I completely do respect them, it is more because they feel "wounded" by my choice. They feel hurt that, given the chance, my tendency is toward English…THAT IS WHY THEY RESENT ME, not because they feel disrespected. I, and probably the majority of all Allos, are more than cognizant of the Language sensitivities here locally consequently, we always extend Respect, by addressing a Francophone, in French.




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    5. Part 2 of 2

      But let’s come back to …this sense of "injury" and "hurt" you all feel when faced with someone preferring English instead of French as their Language of choice. YOU should get over it. I don’t know how else to say this. The entire planet prefers English, as the international language of communication. That is just how it is. It is the ‘Lingua-Franca’ the world over. Does that "wound" you too? Will you stop Global Trade because YOU are forced to communicate in English, and this "upsets" you. "OH MY …THE TRAVESTY OF IT ALL!" Seriously, you are such an incredible people, "Les Québécois" I mean and yet, you drown in a half-full glass of water. Let’s grow up please. Grow up because your ‘child-like ways" may cause you to keep your so-called language and culture, but as Ed says, (to paraphrase), you’ll be hungry in the streets. Then what will you do? Storm the Bastille? Hunt down and murder the Austrian-French Queen, cause you hate and despise her and she’s the reason you’re hungry now? C’mon. Be happy and glad that we are cognizant of your fragility and reassure daily by indulging you. But please, you cannot own my private space too. You will not dictate what language I speak in my private space. "YOU CANNOT HAVE MY PRIVATE SPACE", c’est-tu-assez claire? And as far as a host society, "WE" should all respect that our host society is Canada.

      "We’re all immigrants" Justin Trudeau.

      Indeed, his words, and sometime, mine too!!

      Finally, rather than frowning and throwing a tantrum over the fact that others may choose English over French (some among you as well), you should really focus on Editor’s present post. This man ….who should win an award for his efforts here and has your back more than you will ever know or could ever appreciate, is enlightening the bunch of you. He is educating YOU. He is opening your eyes and he is delivering you from the depths of darkness: ignorance. Pay attention and you should definitely cut him a check. Take it and run. Re-read his post again, and LISTEN with OPEN EYES! Try the exercise of ‘Objectivity’, it may lead you to discovering …you actually had it in you.

      WE are not the ones you should fear, we are not your enemies. Those…are among you.

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    6. @anectote

      that was touching, mate.

      "You will not dictate what language I speak in my private space."

      nobody cares what language you speak in your private space, mate. bill 101 has no provisions about your private space.

      "YOU CANNOT HAVE MY PRIVATE SPACE"

      ok... but... why would anyone be interested in your privat space?!? that's quite pretentious a proposition in my humble opinion.

      "Re-read his post again, and LISTEN with OPEN EYES!"

      ok, but you do the same with richard le hir, josés legault and jean-martin aussant, deal? make sure you re-read them, eh? no cheating this time anectote.

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    7. The lips are moving, but I don't hear a damn sound...mmm

      R.E....why do you think that is? lol

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    8. I think it's because we just don't care for those pinstripes..lol..

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  4. Who decided the borders of Quebec are the end-all-and-be-all in deciding who speaks what?

    There are areas of Quebec that are majority anglo and what you’re saying is that francophones who immigrate there should learn English first and that anglophones who immigrate to areas outside Quebec that are majority francophone should learn French first.

    In fact, what you’re really saying is that ALL francophone immigrants to Canada should learn English first, since that’s the majority language of their host society.

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  5. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 8, 2013 at 6:05:00 AM EST

    Those seven proofs are proof that quebec is a third world nation.
    Also proof that Ottawa is a bitch and has ZERO SPINE. The federal gov't acts cowardly with the quebec thugs. If Canada is not a bilingual country maybe I should start a petition to stop french in the Yukon and save us $1 000 000 000 yearly. English in the ROC and joual in queerbec.

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    1. "I should start a petition to stop french in the Yukon..."

      Demandez des conseils à galganov...

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    2. one just has to consult the 'Ghost of Camille Laurin" he was an expert on linguistic cleansing.......

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  6. FROM ED
    The reason immigrants speak English first is because they knew it when they came here. Nearly every other country in the world is more English minded than Quebec.
    Editor, Your mention of shipbuilding contracts brings to mind that the only shipbuilder left in Quebec is Davie yards at Sorel. Vickers in Montreal was one of the world's greatest ship builders but had to close down because the French language destroyed forwarding in Montreal and closed the harbour. Vickers built over a hundred ships during WWII. They built submarines in the first world war but experience didn't matter. Work was given to Davie because they hired French workers. Vickers hired men who had been at sea especially in wartime and was seen as an English company, which it was being the son of the giant Vickers company in England.
    Vickers died because it's workers spoke English. Much the same as Dominion Engineerng who had a reprehensible habit of hiring McGill grads. Their work was given to Lavalin whose roads and underpasses are crumbling but at least they're crumbling in French. Ed

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    1. Lord Dorchester

      I learn something new from you everyday Ed!

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    2. @ED tall story "Canadian Vickers Limited was an aircraft and shipbuilding company that operated in Canada during the early part of the 20th century until 1944. A subsidiary of the UK parent, it built its own aircraft designs as well as others under licence. Canadair absorbed the Canadian Vickers Ltd. operations in November 1944".

      http://www.google.ca/search?q=Vickers+shipyard&rls=com.microsoft:en-ca&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&redir_esc=&ei=RuM5UfrpAuy50AHv2YC4Dw

      Has nothing to do with English or French.The majority of laborers where immigrants,from central Europe.Great concentration lived in the area of Frontenac and Hochelaga.This part of Montreal is peppered with their churches and still standing, ex.Lithuanian St-Casimir(3426 Parthenais) ,Ukrainian Catholic Church Of St-Michael's(2388, rue d'Iberville),Eglise Notre-Dame-Czestochowa(Polonais)(2550 Gascon Ave)and others
      My parents did not know how to speak English or French when they came in 1930. The languages they spoke was Polish,Ukraine,German and Yidish.

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    3. There is another factor that is being ignored. Most of the non french speaking immigrants coming to Quebec are from communities that already have ties to English Quebec. For the most part they were sponsored through family already integrated into the English side of Quebec and of course these immigrants are going to integrate towards where their family already are, working and socializing in English. Then you have students on temporary visa that apply for permanent immigration a large % are going to Mcgill and Concordia, its a given if they stay in Quebec that hey will adapt to the English Quebec.

      The non family class, student class immigration has a very small % of immigrants outside from investor class that are chosen despite not knowing French. The majority of Quebec immigrants outside the family, student and investor class are french speakers. Many of them may also know english, but he more important question is why any of them would integrate to English Quebec as well. The answer is the Pur Laines don't give them the economic opportunities. Just look at bureaucary at the government of Quebec, city of Montreal, STM etc or even companies dominated by pur laines, what is the % of non pur laine working in there?

      I know so many children of immigrants that had to go to French school and speak both English, French and their mother tongue. Since they been to French school in most cases from Kindergarten to grade 11, their French has to be pretty good. Yet more then 95% of them work for private companies, run by allos and/or anglos and work primarily in English. I know a few that got postings in the Federal govt crown corportations. I only know 1 person that works in the Quebec government and that person has to work in French but deals with anglo and allos customers for the most part.

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    4. FROM ED
      W A C
      before you try to make me look lika a liar, check your facts. I gyess you didn't know that truth is easily found on the internet
      The Canadian Vickers yard was established by Vickers Sons & Maxim in 1912, on fifty acres of land in the old Maisonneuve district of Montreal, at the foot of Rue Viau. The company acquired the nearby repair yard, Montreal Dry Docks, in the 1920s and in 1926 was spun off to Canadian investors. Vickers UK reacquired control in 1956 and the company prospered, with several industrial activities as well as the shipyard. In 1978 the company was again acquired by Canadian interests and became known as Vickers Canada Ltd., but was sold to Versatile Corporation in 1981, becoming Versatile Vickers Inc. By 1987, however, it was no longer profitable and changed hands again, this time to the MIL Group, with the name changing to MIL Vickers Ltd. The company closed in 1989 and the facilities, were razed shortly thereafter. See the site from the air on Google here.
      Vickers were going strong when I worked on the harbour in the fifties. Google in 'Vickers montreal shipbuilders. There are several sites but that one gives a list of the three hundred ships they built from 1912 to 1989 including all 50 0f the mine sweepers the Royal Canadian Navy used in WWii. The list includres the landing craft made for the great invasion. The cargo ships were built to run food and supplies into Northern Russia to help stem the nazis blitzkreig in the south. They called them liberty ships. They went through the North Sea into Murmansk with canadian voluntyeers who took the knowing there would be no pension for them after the war. Vickers hired old sailors from the first and second wars, often missing an arm or a leg. Those ships are still sailing. Onassis bought them up and made him self rich using crews from Monrovia.
      Just to set you straight son, we're in Quebec and I'm talking about Montreal. The Vickers you are talking about is in Furress, England. Montreal never built an airplane. Check your facts son before you put somebody down. When I post i make sure every word is true. Ed

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  7. Lord Dorchester

    While I would agree that anyone immigrating to Quebec should learn to speak French, (a point that's hard to argue against), I disagree that said immigrant must integrate into Francophone society and become a Francophone. People are free thinking human beings and should be able to live their lives as they wish, it's called liberty. There is enough of a concentration of English speakers in and around Montreal that makes living in English in Quebec not hard at all. Quebec has been great at attracting immigrants but does a lousy job at retaining them. Many end up leaving after a few years to greener pastures in other provinces and never look back. That's a problem that we can fix easily but the political leadership in Quebec City has zero will in addressing. What's wrong with sending English speaking immigrant kids to English schools where they can learn to speak French? This obsession with language is what's holding Montreal back, the proof is in the pudding as they say.

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  8. FROM ED
    Anon, the problem in Quebec is not learning another language, it's promoting your language at a cost of someone else's. 99% of immigrants spoke English before coming to Canada. The last war spread English into every country where fighting was going on. Quebec doesn't accept that people can learn French and still maintain another language. As President Kennedy said to Russia, "We do not negotiate with those who say, what is ours, is ours and for what is yours we will negotiate." God gave us the right to our language when He created us (Yes, I do watch the Big Bang Theory) but the Separatist God is becoming the OQLF.

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  9. FROM ED
    Une Gars has it right. When he says Ottawa is spineless, he's right on. A word from the Feds could put an end to all this nonsense so what is holding Harper back? I wonder, votes maybe or cowardice. Perhaps as Lord Dorchester says the immigrants don't stay in Quebec anyway so harper figures why worry about it they vote for me in another part of Canada and a handful of English don't matter. Ed

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  10. These facts (hopefully true)are great BUT with the OLF running amok now I don't see why Buisnesses/pple don't band together,get a Constitutional Lawyer,& tie the OLF up in court,make the OLF go to court,Get the media involved,

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    1. In Editor's previous post concerning the racist OQLF, Editor's outline of strategic tactics, are spot on. Exposing and embarrassing the racists who have brought our Canadian Province and Homeland grief, ridicule and shame is doable in today’s interconnected world, however I would like to add to the checklist the following.

      1) When an OQLF inspector enters your establishment without cause, after asking for ID, proof of whom he is and an explanation of why he believes that he has the right to inspect your place. Demand that he show cause.
      If he says that there was a complaint, ask for proof of such. If he refuses to provide proof, remind him that he is being recorded with audio and video and that if he continues to harass you, you will take legal action against him PERSONALLY for the overzealous and malicious misuse of citizens’ and taxpayer’s governmental resources in his unprovoked attic on your lawfully established business and for the personal harassment he is spuming on you! That you see his uninvited presence as an invasion of your peaceful establishment as an insult and an affront to your right to living without fear of unlawful harassment from your government, which is provided to all citizens of Canada including those citizens of the Province of Quebec as inscribed in the law of the land.

      Be polite, so that when the world sees the video, the racist PQ has only itself to blame for the disgusting and hateful assault.

      2) If the OQLF sends you a summons or a complaint, send back by bailiff a demand of proof of the complaint and the name of the complainant and of the OQLF official in charge of you dossier along with the sighting in the law that clearly proves that the OQLF is in the right as provided by law of the Canadian Province of Quebec.
      If they refuse to comply, reply through a legal attorney that as far as you are concerned, you see this uninvited presence as an invasion of your peaceful establishment, as an insult and an affront to your right to living without fear of unlawful harassment from your government which is provided to all citizens of Canada including those citizens of the Province of Quebec as inscribed in the law of the land.
      If they do comply, consult your legal attorney on what can be done to bring forth a case for taking PERSONAL legal action against those involved for the overzealous and malicious misuse of citizens’ and taxpayer’s governmental resources.

      This course of action, and similar courses of action will cause delays and allow the worldwide ridicule to persuade Quebecers to start realizing how grossly wasteful the OQLF is.


      Don’t forget that if you pursue the racist bully personally, he must defend himself personally. Even if his PQ pals assume his legal costs, it is he who personally must be acquitted. I can’t imagine a racist committed to his hate cause enough to risk his own pathetic hide.

      When you confront a bully, the bully cowers!

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    2. @AntiBully

      Thank you I have forwarded this to a friend who is a small business owner.

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  11. Good for you, keep printing the facts. You will never hear them from the French speaking community. They are brainwashed and brain-dead, outside kebec as well.

    It’s not just going on in Kebec. Its happening all over the country.

    From the taking of farm land in the 1940”s (The tragedy of Quebec) to the removal of the Red Ensign in Quebec City in 1950, to the removal of the Red Ensign in Ottawa in 1965 to the enforcement of bilingualism in Ottawa in the late 60’s, 70’s…to the nightmare that Canada is now living with (the charter and everything connected to it) its all going as planned folks. Lies, deceit, spin…decades of it. People really have no idea what this man Trudeau and his cronies form Kebec did to Canada.

    ." ....Given these facts, should French-speaking people concentrate their efforts on Quebec or take the whole of Canada as their base? In my opinion, they should do both; and for the purpose they could find no better instrument than federalism", Pierre Trudeau,.

    "I cannot swear it but I think we were thinking to ourselves,... we are a small group, Trudeau, Pelletier, Marchand, Lalonde, Chrétien, myself and a few people in the civil service, say 50 all told…we were bringing off a revolution. We held the key posts. We were making the civil service bilingual (French), kicking and screaming all the time". Jean-Luc Pepin, Minister of Industry, 1970.

    50 years of spin, lies...thats what we have got. They are changing the names of towns, streets, counties, bodies of water, riding names…and I’m not taking about kebec any longer. It’s now going on all over the country; it’s a mess in Ottawa where they name things after anti-English language bigots and racists all the time. They are slowly wiping out our English, Scottish, Irish, United empire loyalists history. Just like they’ve been doing in Quebec for the last 5 decades (bills 22, 178, 101...)…This is one of the main reasons we are not teaching any history from 1760 to 1982 in our schools any longer. These racist people control government, the curriculum, our money…we get a daily dose of spin, lies and propaganda.

    Wake up... They run everything in Ottawa, they funnel the money where they want, spin, lies, propaganda, revisionist BS … Proof - In that there is constant pressure to rewrite our history - to pacify the cranky Province of Quebec and the “french “outside Quebec - the reason we lost the Red Ensign in the first place - we must do what we can to protect and preserve our history. A history that is under constant attack. Very few Canadians are aware that we now have portraits in our parliament of French Kings - who had nothing to do with the building of Canada- the statue of General James Wolfe no longer overlooks the Plains of Abraham, the only statue in Quebec City is of the losing General, Montcalm. There are statues of three French generals but no statues of the victorious generals at the Valiant’s memorial in Ottawa. That’s right, no General Wolfe, no General Amherst, No Gen. Murray… This historical revisionism is going on right under the noses of the Governments we elect - and they remain silent!

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    1. The Red Ensign?!?

      You're like, a walking stereotype dude.

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    2. Really what else do we expect when Canada showers $ on Quebec.

      This allows Quebec to "decouple" itself from the real world.

      They have the "right" to unlimited funds from the rest of canada meanwhile they don't see themselves having any responsibility to spend the money appropriately.

      If you got a regular massive paycheck and never had to show up for work this would happen to you also.

      Quebec loose touch with what is required to earn money and have an economy because they don;t have to make money for many years. Canada "owes" them whatever cash they need in their minds.

      It's the constant cash from Ottawa that enables Quebec to pursue it's destructive path of anti-capitalism, anti-business, anti-english, anti-development etc

      The PQ basically identify themselves as "anti" anything the rest of canada is doing. Makes no difference what the issue is or how idiotic the logic will be.

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  12. News flash:

    Canada created 51,000 new jobs in February, blowing past expectations thanks to an increase in full-time work.

    Statistics Canada reported that the unemployment rate remained steady at seven per cent during the month. That's because the number of new jobs was almost the same as the number of new job-seekers.

    By province, Ontario and British Columbia made up most of the gains, with 35,000 and almost 20,000 new jobs respectively.

    They forgot to mention the job gains in Quebec. Maybe S.R. & Student could shed some light?

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  13. HEC predicted months ago that Quebec will become Canada's poorest province within years. Yesterday, Alberta announced a large deficit due to low revenue for its bitumen. I wonder how this will affect transfer payments to QC. As it is what we receive is not enough. Perhaps we should ask other countries for foreign aid?

    Meanwhile, Quebec is a sociological basketcase and the people of Quebec are not improving.

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  14. Pierre Trudeau's guiding motto in politics was “reason over passion.”

    Nobody else in Quebec seems to have gotten the memo.

    The PQ "passion" for separatism and language strife continues to destroy Quebec at all cost.

    There is no personal cost for Marois or any of the other elites. As our supreme overlords they continue keep themselves in their multi-milloon dollar west island "chateaus".

    I'd support sereratism too if they back stopped it up with $5 million house and union leadership positions for my wife.

    In fact BEST IDEA EVER!

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  15. Louise Marchand, president of the OQLF, is "quitting" her job.
    http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/infos/national/archives/2013/03/20130308-113003.html

    Does anyone want to make a guess at the amount she'll receive as a parting bonus?

    Glad to see that people are starting to pay for "Pastagate".

    I suggest Mario Beaulieu as a replacement, it would get him off Social Security (B.S.), and it would probably help with his health, since he'd have to visit a lot of non-québécois (read: Healthier) restaurants.

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    1. Marchand is a Charest crony, which means she'll be replaced by a Marois crony pretty soon. Not sure who's gonna be worse in the end...

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    2. As posted above:

      In Editor's previous post concerning the racist OQLF, Editor's outline of strategic tactics, are spot on. Exposing and embarrassing the racists who have brought our Canadian Province and Homeland grief, ridicule and shame is doable in today’s interconnected world, however I would like to add to the checklist the following.

      1) When an OQLF inspector enters your establishment without cause, after asking for ID, proof of whom he is and an explanation of why he believes that he has the right to inspect your place. Demand that he show cause.
      If he says that there was a complaint, ask for proof of such. If he refuses to provide proof, remind him that he is being recorded with audio and video and that if he continues to harass you, you will take legal action against him PERSONALLY for the overzealous and malicious misuse of citizens’ and taxpayer’s governmental resources in his unprovoked attic on your lawfully established business and for the personal harassment he is spuming on you! That you see his uninvited presence as an invasion of your peaceful establishment as an insult and an affront to your right to living without fear of unlawful harassment from your government, which is provided to all citizens of Canada including those citizens of the Province of Quebec as inscribed in the law of the land.

      Be polite, so that when the world sees the video, the racist PQ has only itself to blame for the disgusting and hateful assault.

      2) If the OQLF sends you a summons or a complaint, send back by bailiff a demand of proof of the complaint and the name of the complainant and of the OQLF official in charge of you dossier along with the sighting in the law that clearly proves that the OQLF is in the right as provided by law of the Canadian Province of Quebec.
      If they refuse to comply, reply through a legal attorney that as far as you are concerned, you see this uninvited presence as an invasion of your peaceful establishment, as an insult and an affront to your right to living without fear of unlawful harassment from your government which is provided to all citizens of Canada including those citizens of the Province of Quebec as inscribed in the law of the land.
      If they do comply, consult your legal attorney on what can be done to bring forth a case for taking PERSONAL legal action against those involved for the overzealous and malicious misuse of citizens’ and taxpayer’s governmental resources.

      This course of action, and similar courses of action will cause delays and allow the worldwide ridicule to persuade Quebecers to start realizing how grossly wasteful the OQLF is.


      Don’t forget that if you pursue the racist bully personally, he must defend himself personally. Even if his PQ pals assume his legal costs, it is he who personally must be acquitted. I can’t imagine a racist committed to his hate cause enough to risk his own pathetic hide.

      When you confront a bully, the bully cowers!

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    3. @ AntiBully,

      great advice along with Editor's. I took the liberty of forwarding all suggestions to my clients - I hope it will help them. Thank you.

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  16. Louise Marchand ne quitte pas,elle est mutée un autre poste au sein du gouvernement.

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    1. "L'affaire des pâtes italiennes au restaurant Buonanotte aura eu raison de Mme Marchand, pointé du doigt depuis plusieurs mois pour sa gestion discutable du processus des plaintes à l'OQLF."

      She lost her job, plain and simple. The reason: excessive intolerance, even for the OQLF.

      The fact that she will most likely end up in a different government position is no surprise to anyone.

      The good news is that this will most likely serve as a warning to the OQLF: if the bigots working there want to keep their highly paid government jobs, with very little real work to do, they'd better keep quiet.

      We should be hearing a lot less from them over the next few months. Unfortunately, they will still be taking our money.

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    2. Voulais tu, plus tot dire, au sein du PCul?

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    3. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 8, 2013 at 2:49:00 PM EST

      On s'en calisse-tu que la folle a Marchand soit mutee ailleurs?
      Gros cave...

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    4. @ugBSdc

      Hooouu...Fâché vaseline man?Prenez un petit Chardonnay pour vous calmer...Hoooouuu

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    5. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 8, 2013 at 3:04:00 PM EST

      Ici a Calgary il est 13h locales et TOUT les gens ici travaillent.
      Par contre, au quebec.... ca doit etre le happy hour a la journee longue chez vous;
      les manifs, le chomage, etc... Mais c'est pas grave je travaille pour payer des taxes pour que toi t'es un Chardonnay au milieu de l'aprs-midi, un jour de semaine;)

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    6. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 8, 2013 at 3:16:00 PM EST

      Je savais que tu ne me laisserais pas tombe dans ce domaine, merci!

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    7. To UN GARS, ED & AnecTOTE - We kicked the OQLF's ass!

      Let's all drink some Chardonnay.

      Sorry seppies, you'll have to stick to your Labatt's 50.

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    8. "Let's all drink some Chardonnay."

      Oubliez pas la vaseline :)

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    9. Oh, btw, about our little S.R - I wanted to point something out about this guy.

      We all know he was actually born in Ontario.

      So let's start applying his own anti-logic against him.

      See, he believes Quebec is already a nation and that anyone NOT born here is not pur-laine.

      Therefore, he's an "immigrant" in his "own" country.

      Well, sorry there, pal, but I WAS BORN IN QUEBEC.

      Which means that by your own idiocy, I have a greater set of rights than you do.

      So with that being said little man, why don't you pack your bags, your tub of vaseline and go back to where you came from.

      I don't see how some dude from Ontario should tell us how to live.

      (Hmmm...so that's what it feels like ;-)

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    10. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 8, 2013 at 6:51:00 PM EST

      Hey Evil.....
      S.R. thinks you are gay as all guys that drink chardonnay are very gay.
      Must be a quebec thing?
      I wonder about shiraz?

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    11. It's not that he thinks I'm gay...

      ...he wishes I was gay. ;-)

      Sorry bub, the ladies love Rezzie and he loves them right back.

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    12. "To UN GARS, ED & AnecTOTE - We kicked the OQLF's ass!
      Let's all drink some Chardonnay.
      Sorry seppies, you'll have to stick to your Labatt's 50."

      Well since my BFF Ed is comin' (wink win), I'm in!

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    13. ta gueule s.r.

      FYI... I grew up on homemade red wine and grappa; the kind of stuff that puts hair on your chest...not that you would know. Now I enjoy fruity white wines, is this supposed to indicate something 'aberrant' about me? Or ...you think I’m gay too? “Not that there is anything wrong with that”.

      Bite me.

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    14. "...you think I’m gay too?"

      It's your life AnusToTe :)

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    15. Ti-cul, that's you...and don't you forget it.

      Now hit that 401 please!! Go back to where you came from lol.

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    16. How interesting, S(ore)R(ear), that it was you who first mentioned vaseline. A little bit of self-loathing going on there? I miss Michel Patrice. With SR, YL and Dudent all we get are the knuckle-draggers.

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    17. FROM ED
      ANECTOTE, Watch that BFF thing. I don't want people to know that I am a Bitch From France, S.R. Will want to date me and student will check with the OQLF ( Old Queers leaving France) to see if I'm pur laine. I was beginning to think maybe I was gay because when I look in the mirror the image I see is Handsome, slim and very nicely dressed. Depressingly I realized the image I see was my 23 old grandson. I guess the old fat guy is me. Ed

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  17. Lord Dorchester

    The Queen (Marchand) is Dead! The Internet campaign against the OQLF was a success. Merchants, keep up the pressure, keep Tweeting and Facebooking. International ridicule is their Achilles' Heel. These Disco Era laws have NO place in a cosmopolitan multi-language society like Montreal. I'm convinced the only way up for Montreal is to embrace bilingualism. We are a European beachhead in North America. Time to step up our game.

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    1. Marchand was just a scapegoat, removed(probably not from public pay to keep her quiet) for doing the job based exactly on bill 101 and other Quebec language laws. PQ damage control. The international exposure has to be continued.

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    2. @lord

      "The Queen (Marchand) is Dead!"

      yup.

      it will be easy for the next director to be better. you can't expect much from a charest appointee after all...

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    3. @jarry

      "...removed(probably not from public pay to keep her quiet) for doing the job based exactly on bill 101 and other Quebec language laws."

      good try at blaming the law rather than the inspector and the oqlf boss.

      if a cop stopped you at 101 km/h on the highway, would the problem be the law or the cop?

      and by the way what other qubec language laws?

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    4. Ding, dong! The witch is dead!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jn8K8EA7-Q

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    5. "Ding, dong! The witch is dead!
      hahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahah thx...I needed that!


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    6. Nous allons la remplacer par un homme.

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    7. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 8, 2013 at 8:26:00 PM EST

      Il boira donc du Chardonnay?

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    8. Dudent said "if a cop stopped you at 101 km/h on the highway, would the problem be the law or the cop?"
      I'm hearing the whine again Moquito Boy. We need more information, mate. What was the speed limit? Was it 100 KPH or 80 KPH? If it was 100, had the radar guns calibration been checked for accuracy lately? What were the weather conditions? What was the condition of the asphalt? You can't just throw a statement like that without providing more data. Ever heard of the internet, mate? Laziness is not a valid excuse for poor work.

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    9. @diogenes

      why do you try to ridicule me?

      my point is the problem is not bill 101, it's the inspector's lack of common sense.

      similar situation as a cop who stops you going 101kph in a 100kph zone with a calibrated gun on a nice day on nice asphalt. you're not gonna remove the speed limit because of this cop, right? there you go.

      don't you agree diogenes?

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    10. Why do I ridicule you???? Because 90% (and I'm being charitable here) of what you write is ridiculous. And no, I don't agree. Pulling someone over for doing 101 in a 100 KPH zone is unreasonable enforcement of a reasonable law. What the OQLF is doing is unreasonable enforcement of a law that's an affront to any free society. There you go. That's the difference.
      By the way, if you weren't obnoxious, I wouldn't ridicule you. I can stop. Can YOU?

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    11. Naturally, the appropriate response would be to decrease the highway speed limit to 80 km/h (and then 60 km/hr, 40 km/h and so on), just as the PQ intends to do.

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    12. @diogenes

      "What the OQLF is doing is unreasonable enforcement of a law that's an affront to any free society."

      then why all that energy spent on stupid pastagate? you should keep your focus on the law if you think it is the source of your problems. from now on we can hope the inspectors will be better and we won't get the scandalous exagerations we recently had. are you going to have won anything out of all this? no. you guys create your own diversions! it's tough to understand why you cheer so much around this episode.

      you might be cheering because it undermines the coming arguments supporting bill 14. if it's the case you support a cheap strategy: using an easily fixed problematic event to create a hostile ambiance to the coming debates. instead of going to the core and exposing what, if anything, is so wrong with the proposed legislation. very cheap indeed.

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    13. @r.s

      "Naturally, the appropriate response would be to decrease the highway speed limit to 80 km/h (and then 60 km/hr, 40 km/h and so on), just as the PQ intends to do."

      why not if there are still too many accidents caused by speeding???

      and don't forget the pq has already changed the unreasonable cop. you should praise marois to be so quick in improving things. charest was never as reactive to correct an outrageous situation.

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    14. I agree with you Diogenes, the law is an affront. Has anyone bothered to look at the text of the law that was invoked in pastagate? It looks like the officer was just doing his job. Not only are "exotic foods" not an unreasonable enforcement, menus and wine lists are explicitly mentioned in the text of the law. The OQFL decided in 2008 that the preferred term for the English pasta is "pâtes alimentaires".

      from link

      51. Every inscription on a product, on its container or on its wrapping, or on a document or object supplied with it, including the directions for use and the warranty certificates, must be drafted in French. This rule applies also to menus and wine lists.

      The French inscription may be accompanied with a translation or translations, but no inscription in another language may be given greater prominence than that in French.

      1977, c. 5, s. 51; 1997, c. 24, s. 24.

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    15. @confusedinquebec

      "...the law is an affront..."

      can you explain, in your own words, why it is an affront that restaurants in quebec have to have french menus?

      this is an affront to you? why?

      keep in mind that english menus are not forbidden.


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    16. CIQ, given that the language crazies caved in so quickly when exposed to ridicule, it goes to show how poorly drafted this law is. Take, for example, that for almost 40 years now, real Chinese restaurant menus have had Chinese names predominant. Selective enforcement, indeed…

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    17. @r.s

      "...it goes to show how poorly drafted this law is."

      no. it goes to show how unreasonable the inspector was. do you think the highway speed limit law is poorly drafted? when you get pulled over cause you go 101 kph, will you think the law is shit, or the cop is over-zealous?

      "Selective enforcement, indeed…"

      you're right. going after on off buttons is stupid. i hope it doesn't happen again. it shouldn't now that the liberal party appointee has been replaced.

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    18. "no. it goes to show how unreasonable the inspector was. do you think the highway speed limit law is poorly drafted? when you get pulled over cause you go 101 kph, will you think the law is shit, or the cop is over-zealous?"


      Dude, you're being ridiculous again. You're comparing a law designed to put severe limits on freedoms that any open society takes for granted with a law designed to ensure public safety. The first is shit, the second is a speed limit. Over-zealous enforcement of the latter is an annoyance, ANY enforcement of the former is tyranny.
      Just curious, but why would you want to live in Quebecistan as opposed to Quebec? Do you think the language zealots will stop if no one ever says "Hey, that's far enough"? You seem to support the alleged "principles" behind 101 and 14, so why should you want or have access to english language radio, tv, newspapers, movies, music or websites? Why should you even be allowed to read an english language blog like this one? Maybe you should be fined for contributing to this one. Now you're going to say that it will never go that far, to which everyone to has ever studied history will say that it will keep going until people say "enough".

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    19. "Do you think the language zealots will stop if no one ever says "Hey, that's far enough"? You seem to support the alleged "principles" behind 101 and 14, so why should you want or have access to english language radio, tv, newspapers, movies, music or websites? Why should you even be allowed to read an english language blog like this one? Maybe you should be fined for contributing to this one. Now you're going to say that it will never go that far, to which everyone to has ever studied history will say that it will keep going until people say "enough" "

      Thank you for making this point, this is exactly what I've been talking about this entire time and exactly why am incensed. The preservation of a Language has removed Rights and Freedoms which are fundamental to any Democracy. At a certain point, (and trust me it will come to this), the choice will have to be either to preserve the language or maintain Rights and Freedoms.

      If they wanted to do away with a foreign word on a menu, they will come after your English language TV, English Language magazines, newspapers and so on and so on and so on...Finally...they will come into your homes...inact a law where spying on you is legal....to ensure you're speaking French at home, and you're not listening to English music nor watching English TV, or reading an English novel. What will you do then? OMG...I just got a visual of Pur-laines seppies hitting the 401....Laughinggggggggg!

      "YOU CANNOT HAVE MY PRIVATE SPACE! c'est tu assez claire?"

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    20. @anectote

      "hey will come into your homes...inact a law where spying on you is legal....to ensure you're speaking French at home, and you're not listening to English music nor watching English TV, or reading an English novel."

      pure paranoia.

      i'm sorry i'll have to dismiss that excerpt, mate.

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    21. You're an idiot. How do you survive each day carrying that much stupidity around?

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    22. @anectote

      pure insultage now. i'll have to dismiss this last bit too, mate. sorry.

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  18. From now on, can anyone posting responses to S.R please remind our little redneck of his actual "nationality" that of an ONTARIAN.

    He is not an actual Quebecois (he admitted to this himself).

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    1. so what?!? everyone can have a say.

      and it's possible to become québécois you know? yes, you just need to live there, to like it and to appreciate its french flavour.

      stop the segregation please.

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    2. "stop the segregation please."

      That's pretty funny shit coming from a little bigot who supports bill 101 and the OQLF.

      We already know you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, but now you just proved it in spades.

      I still cannot believe he just said "stop the segregation please."

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    3. Il n'a pas retenu que ma famille est arrivé à Québec en 1610 et qu'ils y sont toujours.

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    4. Je m'en fous de ta faux-patrie.

      You're an Ontarian telling we real Québécois how to live.

      So like I told you before boy, pack those bags and take the 401 west, back to where you came.

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    5. Impossible,je suis un réfugié politique,si j'y retourme ma vie sera en danger.

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    6. Then I guess you're fucked - especially with the conservatives in power.

      If it's any consolation, I can pretty much guarantee that no one will miss you.

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    7. @ Resident Evil

      "We already know you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, but now you just proved it in spades.

      I still cannot believe he just said "stop the segregation please."

      Dude, he's the one that came up in the previous article with the "compulsory world trip to make sure everyone learns english" idea. I mean - pardon my language - wtf?! Really, what do you expect of him now?

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    8. "Impossible,je suis un réfugié politique,si j'y retourme ma vie sera en dange

      Not so tough when the 'immigrant' shoe is on the other foot eh?

      Trust me ...we will all feed off of this for a long time to come!!!
      brrrrrrrrrrruuuuuuuhahahhahahahahahahahahahahhaha

      You gotta love the irony of life...don't you? Just when you least expect it, it rewards you with a gift like this !!

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    9. @ts

      "Dude, he's the one that came up in the previous article with the "compulsory world trip to make sure everyone learns english" idea. I mean - pardon my language - wtf?! Really, what do you expect of him now?"

      don't you think it's a good idea? both to open up one's horizons and to get a proficiency in english?

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    10. No, that's a great idea Student.

      We just all hate you and therefore think you're a douchebag and therefore don't see why you deserve any credit.

      Might want to go take your pandering somewhere else.

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    11. @resident evil

      "We just all hate you and therefore think you're a douchebag and therefore don't see why you deserve any credit."

      eew. blinded by hate. by jove! eeeew. are you still socially functional, mate?

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    12. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 8, 2013 at 10:18:00 PM EST

      maTE?
      MATE?
      mate?
      mate?

      sounds like so 1991.
      when was the last time any idiot used the word "mate"?
      a retard?
      oh... wait a minute!!!!

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    13. @un gars bs de calgary

      you need to travel more, mate.

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    14. ugBSdc est un ex-militaire (canayen de surcroît)...Vas-y molo avec la culture :)

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    15. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 8, 2013 at 11:01:00 PM EST

      Oui je suis un fier membre du regiment de Maisonneuve a Montreal pour 4 ans. (1997-2001)
      J'ai ete fantassin, qualifie comme parachutiste et j'ai jamais eu de "prets et bourses", jamais faits de greves etudiantes comme toi, mon cancre, j'ai de la dignite. J'ai travaille fort, gradue du HEC comme BBA, je ne suis pas un fardaut de la societe. Je ne suis pas une pute comme toi S.R. qui a fait son choix de vivre comme un Bougon. Comme un bien petit quebecois. Comme un petit rien. Triste pour toi...

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    16. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 8, 2013 at 11:05:00 PM EST

      Pi a part ca j'aime les losers non-accomplis comme toi S.R. qui viennent ici pour se defouler pour se faire une difference du au vide neant dans leur vie. Bravo.
      Ma blonde est a l'aeroport pour aller chercher sa mere mais je vois que tu es seul un vendredi, S.R.
      Un jour tu vas voir que tu es un loser;)

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    17. "un fardaut de "

      Un quoi? ... MDR!!!

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    18. "j'ai de la dignite"

      C'est évident (...)

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    19. "Je ne suis pas une pute comme toi S.R."

      S.R...tu es une pute !!! Faire assessment ..I say lol...Wow ...you sure make all those body parts work for you ...don't you? LOL

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    20. @un gars bs de calgary

      "Pi a part ca j'aime les losers non-accomplis comme toi S.R. qui viennent ici pour se defouler pour se faire une difference du au vide neant dans leur vie."

      you know nothing about who s.r really is, therefore i suspect projection here, mate.

      think about it.

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    21. A troll protecting a troll? Who woulda thunk???

      PS: Spelling Nazis are against the rules here: "No grammar cops or spelling monitors, we are here for ideas."

      http://nodogsoranglophones.blogspot.ca/p/how-to-comment-on-this-blog.html

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  19. Talking about ridiculing the OQLF, here's something hilarious to listen to if you have good French and know who the Justiciers Masqués are

    http://www.radioego.com/ego/listen/10493

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    1. Hahaha!!! It's hilarious to see how a franco feels when the shoe is on the other foot and it's HIS French that's getting picked apart by the "language police".

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    2. R.S

      Not franco pleas, Québécois :)

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  20. For those who wish to cause some hardship for the OQLF http://iwantmypasta.wordpress.com/

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    1. Thank you Pafmurray for that link, people should check out that link. Great Info

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    2. The OQLF has been going crazy with the requests. They have 30 days max to give out the info. If you do not receive it complain to the Commission d'Access a l'Information (CAI). The more time wasted the better as the CAI will tell the OQLF to clean up their act and then more OQLF time is wasted :o) :o)

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  21. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 8, 2013 at 7:27:00 PM EST

    Jobs news from RDI:
    "Au Québec, la santé ainsi que le secteur de la finance, des assurances et de l'immobilier ont perdu environ 10 000 emplois chacun. Des postes ont été créés surtout dans l'administration publique, plus de 14 000."

    OK I'm not surprised of the losses. It sucks for any family bread winner.
    I'm a bit puzzled that "public" jobs were created. Anyone can fill me in as to are they government jobs?

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  22. Toronto has just surpassed Chicago as the fourth largest city in North America. The tremendous exodus of people, jobs and capital from Quebec as a result of language laws and the specter of separation has contributed in no small part to the phenomenal growth of Toronto.

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/03/06/toronto-overtakes-chicago-as-fourth-largest-city-in-north-america/

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    1. That includes the Buonanotte restaurant, which now offers its pasta in Toronto free from language crazies.

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    2. And, oh look, right next door to Toronto’s Buonanotte, Montreal’s Hôtel Le Germain has also opened a hotel, and not just in Toronto, but also in Calgary, whose website states “Le centre-ville de Calgary, grisant, étincelant et éclectique, compte un joyau de plus : l'Hôtel Le Germain Calgary”. Strange to see expansions in those cities without much, if any, corresponding reciprocity in Montreal… hmm, I wonder why? It must be "Quebec-bashing"... yeah! That’s it!

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    3. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 8, 2013 at 9:53:00 PM EST

      l'Hôtel Le Germain Calgary?
      I must go check it out... what if there's Chardonnay? LOL!
      I suspect only scotch.

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    4. "I suspect only scotch"

      Vous aimez les hommes qui portent des jupettes à carreaux ugBSdc?

      Petit coquin va!

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    5. Le Germain was one of Montreal's first "boutique" hotels. The restaurant at Calgary's Le Germain was rated among Canada's Top 50 Restaurants by Maclean's. Have a look:
      http://www.germaincalgary.com/fr/accueil

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    6. "Vous aimez les hommes qui portent des jupettes à carreaux ugBSdc?
      Petit coquin va"

      now..he is makeing made fun of Scots....
      nothing is sacred with this guy!

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    7. @anectote

      "now..he is makeing made fun of Scots....
      nothing is sacred with this guy!"

      you think scots are sacred? now that's a weird sect you're in, mate.

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    8. Hahahahahhahaha!student....please stop...Hahahaha!

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    9. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 8, 2013 at 11:19:00 PM EST

      mate?

      Only retards use "mate".

      Mate? Really?

      LMFAOROTF

      Plus I also like all his questions. What a dick...

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    10. "Only retards use "mate"."

      Une expression qui doit être très populaire chez les parachutistes.

      Genre : Jump mate!

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    11. Be nice, you guys! Mocking others is all those two have left, since they can't point out the growth of either Quebec or Montreal...

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  23. "Toronto has just surpassed Chicago"

    Pour la qualité de l'air?

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    1. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 8, 2013 at 9:56:00 PM EST

      Non.
      Nous savons tous que le quebec est plus beau pi plus meilleur, donc si T.O. passe Chicago pour la qualite de l'air, Montreal doit obligatoirement etre le plus meilleur au monde pour la qualite de l'air au monde au complet, han mom Bob?

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  24. Letter c/o today's The Gazette

    "The CAQ apparently will vote down some contentious issues in Bill 14, such as obliging companies with 26 to 60 employees to conduct internal communications in French, forcing children of military parents to attend French school and removing a municipality’s bilingual status. Good for them.

    I have a question for the CAQ. Is the part of Bill 14 that proposes to change “ethnic minorities” to “cultural communities” another one to oppose or is this a non-issue for your party? This change in wording will have a direct, negative effect on all ethnic minorities, including anglophones, which – according to the Parti Québécois – are now considered nothing more than a minority. How will “cultural communities” fight for minority rights when, according to Quebec law, they aren’t considered minorities?

    The Liberals are doing the right thing by voting against this bill in its entirety. The CAQ needs to follow suit and not cherry pick what it feels will put it in good stead with non-separatists while keeping hard-core separatists part of its voting bloc.

    We need to be very careful and read between the wavy lines. The PQ and CAQ need to be carefully watched – not only for what they say and do, but for what they don’t say and do.

    Lorraine Hodgson"


    This, I thought was a very interesting letter, and this part specifically ..caught my eye:

    "I have a question for the CAQ. Is the part of Bill 14 that proposes to change “ethnic minorities” to “cultural communities” another one to oppose or is this a non-issue for your party? This change in wording will have a direct, negative effect on all ethnic minorities, including anglophones, which – according to the Parti Québécois – are now considered nothing more than a minority. How will “cultural communities” fight for minority rights when, according to Quebec law, they aren’t considered minorities?"

    This is what this vile bill proposes to do...rid me of a 'status' so that then, they can turn around and deprive me of more Rights and Freedoms.

    Folks we need to fight this with a vengeance, we need to throw money at this and we need to Lawyer-up. We need to pushhhhhhhhhh all the way back nowwwwwwwwwww.




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    1. Vous n'avez pas le choix AnusTOTE et moi j'aime bien l'expression : Communauté culturelle :)

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    2. LD

      This group is gearing up to fight Bill 14. CRITIQ

      http://critiq.ca/en/

      On February 28th, over 750 passionate Montrealers packed the conference centre at the Delta Hotel centre-Ville to attend the launch event of CRITIQ (Canadian Rights in Quebec) to denounce all language-based intolerance and discrimination.

      The videos of all the talks given at the conference are now online.

      For individual links to the videos on YouTube, see below:

      Beryl Wajsman: http://youtu.be/6GlszP9l2UI

      Barbara Kay (Part 1): http://youtu.be/8IhgW2Psbyw

      Barbara Kay (Part 2): http://youtu.be/P5emKAEWKNQ

      Brent Tyler: http://youtu.be/H4zeCr73AIQ

      Michel David: http://youtu.be/trFCxvmlR2o

      Robert Libman: http://youtu.be/tMHEK6BmHkc

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    3. Not at all sure about that(S)ore (R)ear (Thanks for that D, lol, totally precious) Maybe I just call you sore-dumb-ass? lol I think it has a nice ring to it....butttt...get back to me on that one okay? lololololol

      I'm pretty sure we do have a choice...and you know why?? BECAUSE WE'RE STILL A DAMNED DEMOCRACY...we will make sure they remember that here....and in Ottawa.

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    4. hey (S)ore (R)ear...do you need a hand to pack up? I can drive you to the border lolol....I'm an excellent packer..we'll get you to that 401 in no time!!..R.E will drive lolol, hopefully he won't pull a super-student stunt and in a single leap...fly outa the car ...while it's still running and then you hit a tree!!

      lol..mmm..wait..that may not be bad thing. LOL

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    5. "I'm an excellent packer"

      Évidemment quand on a travaillé dans un supermarché toute sa vie.

      "R.E will drive"

      Chauffeur de taxi?

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    6. "over 750 passionate"

      Wow!

      http://imgur.com/XYodoyS

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    7. Get your butt to the 401 ...it's calling you!

      (S)oreeeeeeeeeee (R)earrrrrrrrrr commmmmmmmeeeeeee...backkkkkkkkkk!

      now fuck off and go.

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  25. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 8, 2013 at 9:59:00 PM EST

    No one can fight bill 14.
    It is inevitable.
    save your sorry selves and move out of quebec!
    You people here must be the only dummies that can't see what is next.
    Be happy. Just not where you live, in queerbec.
    God am I ever friggin' happy I moved to Alberta!!!
    No more crap!

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    1. you seem to have developed some kind of weird dependency on what you see as crap, mate.

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    2. Hey kiddo...do you realllyyyyyyyyy want to cut it loose? Be serious now. Think about it, everytime you have to come an visit your family, you gotta go through customs..lololol..

      I'm being serious though...Do you really want to cut Quebec loose? AND what does your family think about this opinion of yours?..Ligit questions here...I'm curious

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    3. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 8, 2013 at 10:15:00 PM EST

      S.R. actually admitted to me that there is no future in quebec under a status quo. Something about drinking Chardonnay in the middle of a work day instead of working...
      I suspect the same about that "inquiring" student.
      BTW how come the PQ has not announced a 10 Day national Mourning after the death of comrade Chavez? Weird, mate, weird.

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    4. S.R is an idiot we all know it, he's afraid to admit he drinks chardonnay AND he has a crush on R.E while courting Cutie...the poor dumb shit is confused.

      Now answer my questions.

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    5. Tiens donc,le trou du cul de la planète vient de péter.

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    6. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 8, 2013 at 10:29:00 PM EST

      J'aime tes propos.... mate!
      t'es un vrai quebecois.
      T'apportes rien.
      Rien.

      Merci encore, mon BS.
      Continues de dire des niaiseries, pi le quebec continues a s'ecrouler;)

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  26. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 8, 2013 at 10:22:00 PM EST

    Why queerbec needs a language gestapo: to save lives.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2013/03/08/quebec-montreal-prison-food-poisoning.html
    Sarcasm stopped.

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  27. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 8, 2013 at 10:26:00 PM EST

    Perhaps the prisoners did not understand the menu. Send in the language police. Salmon avec e.coli sounds fishy to me.

    Or... was it the pasta?

    Looks like queerbec needs to clean up their act.

    If only the buttons on the dishwasher were in French! This all could have been avoided. Call in the heroic language police!!!

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    1. XL foods c'est pas en alberta?

      http://www.radio-canada.ca/regions/alberta/2013/02/08/007-ottawa-xl-foods.shtml

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    2. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 8, 2013 at 10:53:00 PM EST

      C'est tout ce que tu peut offrir?
      C'est de valeur qu'au queerbec vous etes tous-tes trop occupe a chialler contre les coupes du chomage pi du BS!!!
      Essaies plus fort. Un verre de Chardonnay pour t'aider?
      P.S. du XL food, t'en as manger en crisse...

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    3. La "qualité" de votre français disparaît à vu d'oeil...Les effet de l'assimilation canadienne en action je suppose.

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    4. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 8, 2013 at 11:11:00 PM EST

      "Les effet de l'assimilation canadienne en action je suppose."
      Bin oui... pi tu habites dans quelle pays le cave? Au quebec? LOL!!!!
      Un bien petit reve pour des bien petits counnes.
      Tu es au Canada. Regardes autour de toi. Tu es canadien, un jour tu seras a l'etranger, comme en republique dominicaine pi tu seras dans le trouble... ou sera l'embassade du quebec?

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    5. L'avion de la belle-mère a prit du retard?

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    6. Vous n'êtes pas le vrai BS de calgary!

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  28. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 8, 2013 at 11:28:00 PM EST

    I have proof that quebecois such as "student" or S.R. hate folks that had no student loans when they were in college or university.
    YES!!!

    They also told me that young adults who attend higher education institutes and were smart enough (i.e. initiative and leadership skills) to have jobs while attending are anti-quebec and also against the quebec distinct society.

    Probably because we are aiming higher in our lives;)


    oops............. gotta go!

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    1. Ciao!Say hello to Peggy for me :)

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    2. @un gars bs de calgary

      "I have proof that quebecois such as "student" or S.R. hate folks that had no student loans when they were in college or university."

      you do? why don't you fetch it, mate?

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  29. I'm a South African, Afrikaner male. Born and bred during the hey-day of the Apartheid years. By fact of possessing a 'street-wise' rader for general bigoted legislation and political leanings due to my right-wing racist upbringing, I find sad, and petty, the elitism and cultural paranoia that infests francophone society. In my opinion those who cannot adapt to the reality of a modern Montreal, can just move out, as per their usual advice to anyone voicing an unpopular opinion.... Come September it will be my 7 year anniversary of moving to Montreal. Didn't speak, read or understand a word of French before coming here. That despite the fact of being with a Québécois for 4 years previous. We met in London, you see. And for the years following we conversed in the language we met in, even though it wasn't our mother tongue. I respect the French language, as a major minority in my country of birth I identify with their need to preserve their essence, their culture. But within reason. Bilingualism is not a crime, it's a gift.

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    1. Welcome, TheIntrepidFox! I found your point of view most refreshing.

      I’m curious whether you have had time to learn that the language crazies here basically view the world as consisting of North America … and France (in other words, the “anglicising colonialist bastards” and the “wonderful cousins, even though they abandoned us faster than the Titanic, following their failed colonization attempt”). Learned opinions from anyplace else are dismissed with a haughty, upturned nose. Thanks goodness they are a minority and most Quebecers reject their nonsense.

      I hope to hear more from you, perhaps regarding Dutch/Afrikaner relations.

      PS: Cape Town? Jo’burg? Where in London? (Holborn, Highbury/Islington and Brixton here.)
      PPS: Did you mean that you’re with a Québécois or a Québécoise?

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    2. Time for a braai is coming up in only a couple months!

      Air Afrikaans skit:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYOIbXJTVIc

      Can you explain the (non-obvious) jokes at the beginning?

      Since it's the weekend, and just for the heck of it, a funny vid for those who enjoy learning other languages:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgG42rmKpgo

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  30. French-only zone in Montreal!!! (in three parts)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUX8xucQHms
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YABB0Ht_lnI
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnXmu180uI4

    (PS: Just in case, for the humourless, this is satire.)

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  31. Let's look at 'Lie # 1'. You mention native people. Why would you want to bring that up? I invite you and other readers to watch the 6hour Kevin Kostner produced documentary called 500 Nations. It tells the HORROR story of how the Spanish and the English conquered, dispossessed, enslaved, ethnically cleansed, genocided, forcefully assimilated, contaminated by using germ warfare, and interned Natives in POW camps(reservations). English Canada and USA, considering that this was still not enough, decided to go for total annihilation by stealing native children from their families and putting them in reeducation camps from 1891-1996. Today, Native Affairs is still a 100% english canadian department, and is a failure in human rights.
    The documentary also clearly says that in the french/english war in North America, most Indian nations sided with the French because the French were NOT doing the afore-mentioned things to them. Many of the 'French' who came here rather inter-married and adopted indian ways. That's why soooo many Quebecois and french Canadians are part Native.
    As for french peoples rights in Canada; the english genocided the french populations of atlantic Canada, ethnically cleansed the french speaking Metis of the canadian prairies, and forcefully banned the teaching of french in most of english Canada. English Canada attempted several times to colonize and assimilate Quebec too.
    Nowhere in the world have so many ethnic groups and ways of life and species, on such a huge scale, been so frighteningly, surgically efficiantly removed from the face of the earth than in english North America.
    One can easily demonstrate that one cannot really live in french anywhere inside english Canada. The french populations of english Canada don't have 10% of the priviliges the english 'minority' of Quebec enjoys.
    That Quebec even survived this onslaught is a miracle, and certainly is not due to english Canada's benevolence.
    One place in English North America has reasonably survived, and boy, does that annoy you.
    Your first point is so flawed, perhaps intentionally so, that I won't bother looking at the rest.

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    1. I completely share your above disgust of the savage colonial behavior of Spain and Britain in the Americas. If it were possible to snap my fingers and return this land back to its natural state and magically deport hundreds of millions of people to their (ancestors') birth countries, I'm not sure I'd forgo it.

      However, one comment you make goes beyond the pale because it conflates British evils against native Americans and even Acadians with extreme removals ("this onslaught") that are generally not attested in Quebec's historical record:
      That Quebec even survived this onslaught is a miracle, and certainly is not due to english Canada's benevolence.

      It isn't a miracle. As far back as the articles of capitulation of Quebec City of 1759, the precedent specifically calling for not displacing French inhabitants was established. In fact, any partisan even marginally invested in the French cause will read those articles and conclude that most of their provisions are light-years away from how otherwise abusive they could have been.

      In fact, most of what followed set the mood for the British indifference to the French inhabitants on their doorstep. Even the Quebec Act of 1774 was written with the intent to curry the French-Canadians' favor by granting them the religious/legal freedoms they had previously enjoyed, while expanding the province's borders deep into the heart of the continent... an act that only hastened the English(!) American colonies' rebellion and subsequent revolution.

      The Constitutional Act of 1791 broke this province up into what became Upper Canada (with English law and customs to accommodate the Loyalists) and Lower Canada (with French law and customs to accommodate the Canadiens).

      The Act of Union of 1840 sought to undermine French-Canadian political influence by merging these two Canadas, but the French-Canadians wisely voted as a bloc while those on the English side were much more factionalized. Functionally, this meant that any law proposed by (English) Canada West required (French) Canada East's support or it never passed. Evidently, Quebecers' influence and double majority despite being descended from defeated colonists didn't start yesterday.

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    2. The British North America Act establishes Canada itself as a two-tier power-sharing agreement between a central (Federal) government and a number of provincial governments. Note that this was at the behest of at least one French-Canadian father of Confederation. Note that this view won out over that espoused by others who altogether wished for a non-federative structure.

      The Quiet Revolution, along with subsequent "take-charge" rhetoric popular among many French-Canadians in this province could have never taken place a century later without this structure in place. Neither would the subsequent bullying of non-Francophones by the Mario Beaulieus and Louis Préfontaines of this province. If this isn't due at least in part to English Canada's benevolence, it must be due to English Canada's stupidity, if not its continued relative indifference.

      And it's the continued relative indifference of both French- and English-Canadians about their linguistic compatriots in the other's respective jurisdiction that continues to characterize the tenuous partnership that is Canada.

      Even Quebec is largely indifferent to the plight of French-Canadians elsewhere in the country except for when separatists can point to francophones' supposed historical and current suffering and assimilation. When this is done, its purpose is invariably to conflate the francophone situation elsewhere with a self-serving bogeyman in Quebec for little reason other than to muster support for blank-check separatism chez nous.

      And despite this, Quebec separatists and some nationalists (still!) have the balls to claim that francophones in this province can't get a fair shake.

      If anything, your glossing over the historical record as pertains to Quebec is so wrong that your conclusion about its miraculousness -- or even the dismissiveness you show to the resentment others might feel in response to the excesses of French-Canadian nationalism -- shows that you too can stand to reflect on this a little more.

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    3. FROM ED
      Anonymous,
      You infuriate me. Kevin Costner is full of shit and so are you. I get angry when I see people being labeled with lies they do not deserve. The English did not ever make war with natives as you accuse. Don't confuse the British with whatever english speaking Americans did in the U.S. Costner is a film maker who sees the world through Costner coloured glasses. he is out to make money.
      The reason natives sided with the French is because they were family. When france abandoned Quebec the francos felt forsaken.men turned to the Indians seeking wives. It began a whole nation called metis who are not really Canadian native but descended as immigrants from france. You have the nerve to say that the English genocided Artlantic canada. Right ! that's why New Brunswick is a bilingual province. The French never were in large numbers in Nova Scotia and P.E.I.. They were swamped by the United Empire loyalists escaping the U.S. to remain loyal to the Crown. These were not war like people, many descended from the original Puritans. The only ethnically cleansed Metis out West I know of was Louis Riel.
      I've got nothing against you ranting but please don't take the editorial and twist it into untruths making innocent people look bad. The rest of your rant is just so blatantly stup[id I will not comment on it. Ed

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    4. To Ed. The only purpose of your blog is to dirty Quebec's name. You try to make it look like we are particularly bad to native peoples, when in fact we never tried to exterminate them like the english did. As for the doc, Costner didn't write the script, ...his team simply put the history together. All this history exists, but of course the canadian government(or you) don't care to dwell upon it. As for the Metis of the prairies, where did they go then? As for the french of Atlantic Canada, maybe you should visit the deportation/genocide museum there. http://www.facebook.com/notes/ditto-singersongwriter/proof-of-canadas-genocide-of-first-nations-children-deeply-disturbing-informatio/10151434168541170 . Mr Apparatchik, I will read your letteres later, they seem to be worthy of that.

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  32. From the French-language VOIR magazine:
    http://voir.ca/brasse-camarade/2012/08/27/la-loi-101-et-la-vraie-vie/

    Bill 101 and real life
    August 27, 2012 10:09 p.m. • Jérôme Lussier

    I know someone in Montreal who works for a small company where English is spoken almost exclusively. Let’s call him Gaston and his employer, NewTech .

    Gaston started working for NewTech a few years ago. He was among the first five employees to be hired by a small biotech start-up created by a scientist who is affiliated with a university in Montreal.

    Over the months, the company takes shape, develops its technology and starts to obtain contracts, almost all of which are from American companies. Prudently, NewTech starts hiring a few extra employees and to provide jobs for interns, students, foreign researchers and contract workers who gravitate towards the company. With less than five years’ experience, Gaston finds himself to be among the senior employees of the new company.

    Not surprisingly, the working language is English, the only language that permits (Ed: this link in French is about the usefulness of English as the common language in science and talks about the uselessness of maintaining French in all areas) employees who are anglo, franco, Chinese, Iranian, Czech, Romanian and Russian (among others) to communicate with each other, with their suppliers and with their customers, almost all of whom are foreigners .

    Contracts continue to arrive and the company grows. Its sales continue to grow. They move into new premises. They start approaching having 50 employees - the current threshold where Bill 101 requires that it becomes “francised” (“Frenchified”).

    However, though many employees speak French as a second language, and that some (including number 2) are "native" (“de souche”) francophones, francizing/Frenchifying the company would pose a significant problem. The company is organically linked to an English-speaking university, its customers are foreigners, and the majority of its employees , including several doctors trained abroad, are anglophone or allophone. To force NewTech to adopt French as a working language would have a major impact on the conduct of its business, both internally and externally.

    For this reason, NewTech essentially decided to put a brake on its growth a few years ago. In order to avoid the francization/Frenchification that would deeply distort the company, they preferred to play with numbers and to maintain its official number of employees below the 50 threshold, even if it meant hiring contract workers and to be creative in its human resource accounting . Without this obligation to francize/Frenchify, the company would now have perhaps 60 or 80 employees. But under the circumstances, it self-limits itself in order to escape the burden that the law would impose.

    But all that may soon be of no importance.

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    1. Indeed, the Parti Québécois has promised, if elected, to adopt a "new Bill 101", which would lower the francization/Frenchification threshold from 50 to... 11 employees. Eleven. In this case, there would be no more means of escape possible for NewTech: it must either be converted into French, get rid of some forty-odd employees, pay fines or leave Quebec. “Game over”.

      Some will rejoice. They will say that a company that cannot operate in French does not deserve to exist in Quebec, and its braking or disappearance is good news (or a necessary evil). They will celebrate the proper return of the primacy of politics over economics.

      Others will consider this to be a dangerous absurdity. Even as we deplore that Quebec’s economy is betting too much on the exploitation and/ or export of its natural resources, we would prevent a local business - profitable, young, international, which depends only on brains and computers - to exist because its employees do not speak enough French? Even while Quebec seems to be losing jobs every month, we would jeopardize dozens of high-paying jobs in a leading industry, on the pretext that they are insufficiently francophone? For this camp, such a policy is a form of medium-term economic suicide.

      What will happen to NewTech if it is forced to francise/Frenchify operations? No idea.

      Unlike mining companies or paper mills, NewTech is not chained to a local resource: it uses only computers and brains,which are abundantly available elsewhere. Theoretically, nothing would prevent the company from moving to Ottawa, Waterloo or Toronto in a few weeks.

      Obviously, it is not always easy to move people, especially when they are well-established in Montreal, when they buy homes, they pay taxes, they have children (who study in French ) and participate in the economic and cultural life of their city.

      Will NewTech find a way to transfer part of its operations elsewhere in Canada all the while modifying either the number or the status of its workers in Montreal? Will the company will split into five small businesses with 10 employees working together? I guess they would explore all avenues.

      Would it be possible for NewTech to simply francise/Frenchify itself as required by law? No doubt, but at the cost of a blatant artificiality, as well as being very expensive. Virtually all of the company’s external communications, both with its clients and other laboratories, are conducted in English. The company has a special relationship with an anglophone university, where a large part of its student body comes either from elsewhere in Canada or from abroad, with no knowledge of French. Its employees are from various origins, highly qualified, with English as the only common language. All of its technology, programming and technical support are available in English only. Abstractly, it would be as illogical to force NewTech to operate in French as it would be to force Bombardier to operate in Portuguese.

      But, obviously, we do not live in the abstract. NewTech is based in Montreal, and it is normal that Quebec reasonably wants to favour francophone workplaces.

      That said, “francization at any price” seems to be at the heart of this "new Bill 101". It would even target companies of 11 people, working in the high-tech field, operating in an international environment where English is the lingua franca. This seems to be due more to ideological blindness and a primordial anglophobia than it does to Quebec’s realistic defense of its socio-economic interests.

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    2. As an entrepreneur and a regular reader of this board this is EXACTLY what I do. I also encourage other entrepreneurs to do the same.

      After 45 employee's there are no more full time positions available.

      Due to the fact that all business must be export to survive it becomes easier to setup another location outside the province. Lower taxes, less bureaucracy, closer to markets (with money to spend) etc. The list is endless.

      That then leads me to hire employee's outside Quebec instead of Montreal. It's always nice to work with people that arn;t sitting at their desks obsessively worrying about their language "rights" and turning their employers into the OLQF.

      Lots of jobs that will never be created in Quebec going to other places.

      No seppie should be under ANY illusion about how Bill 101 damages the economy.

      Investing in automation (reducing employee's) as a Quebec company has a better ROI (return on investment) for a business then simply reducing labour. It allows you to keep your head count under 50 and therefore avoid fines, lawyers and other paperwork.

      It goes without saying the remaining 45 jobs would disappear if the PQ moved Bill 101 to companies of 11.

      The PQ don;t care about the population and how they make money to buy food and housing. In the PQ fantasyland everybody gets their money from the govt and nobody works in anything except the civil service.

      Unfortunately I agree with "gars du calgary". Quebec is so damaged it's hard to think that change is possible for Quebec.

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    3. I’m curious about something, earlier this week, there was a documentary on one of the sports channels, about what has been going on, this season, in the Habs dressing room. The French coach addresses the players in English....mmm...I’m pretty sure that this organization holds more than..”50” employees...n’est ce pas? So should we call the OQLF on them, have them audited? Is it legal for the coach to address the Players en Anglais? Shouldn’t they be communicating exclusively in French...throughout the organization, EVEN IN THE DRESSING ROOM?

      Hypocrites much??

      They’ll pounce on the poor owners of Buonanotte and Caffe In Gamba, (and many others), for language violations, but I wonder when was the last time they went invaded the local hockey team with their Bullshit.

      They never will, in Quebec...Hockey is sacred (they are exempt and the law doesn’t apply to them obviously and why?..Les Canadiens are untouchable.

      but ohhhhhhhhhhhh nooooooo...THIS IS NOTTTTTTTT A RACIST SOCIETY...NO..F...WAY!
      (I just got a headache from the serious eye-rolling)

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    4. In reference to the post I made above, this documentary has run several times not sure if it was on TSN or RDI. I am trying to locate the link for it, can anyone assist?

      Don't get me wrong, I love the Habs, but it's high time we use there BS against them. An official complaint should be made to the OQLF about this. Don't get me wrong I love the Habs, but if I am forced to speak French in my place of work...because that's the Law (and I don't have a problem with it), everyone else should to if they are 50+ employees in their organisation, French Full time...that's what the law says and La Loi est égale pour tous, n'est ce pas?

      I'm sure what I am bringing up is Tabu...but we need to go there.

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  33. The English Hate site Québec Français compares McGill University to a cancer... what a lovely bunch they are, eh?:

    http://putbacktheflag.blogspot.ca/2013/03/hate-site-quebec-francais-comparing.html

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    1. Only a ethnic nationalist would label a world class university as a cancer.

      The PQ lament the fact the Nazi's gave ethnic cleansing such a bad name. It's only because the extreme form of ethnic nationalism(ie mass killings) has been owned by the Nazi they are afraid to go farther in limiting human rights.

      http://www.montrealgazette.com/opinion/editorials/Macpherson+Rewriting+history+classroom/8069651/story.html

      Luckily Quebec is now starting to rewrite the history books. Next they will have to ban non Quebec govt approved history books in the province.

      Can;t have any alternate views leaking out to the Quebec masses.

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    2. FROM ED
      The PQ lament the fact the Nazi's gave ethnic cleansing such a bad name. It's only because the extreme form of ethnic nationalism(ie mass killings) has been owned by the Nazi they are afraid to go farther in limiting human rights.
      cEBEUQ, That's a great statement. So right on. I swear if you played "Deutschland Uber Alles" in the street they would start goose stepping.
      Just a silly comment. I was humming and irish song the day, the words of which were;
      Oh paddy Dear and did you hear the news that's going around, the shamrock is forbid by law to grown on irish ground.
      You may take the Samrock from your hat and cast it on the sod but twill take root and fourish there though unferfoot it's trod.
      When law can stop the blades of grass from growing as they grow and when the leaves in summertime their colour fear to show. Then I will change the colour that I wear in my Caubeen but till that day, Thank God I'll stick to the wearin' of the green.
      We could sing;
      Say Cutie dear, well did you hear the news that's going around. Our English is forbid by law to be spoke on Quebec ground.
      You can take the Maple Leaves off trees and burn with malcontent but they will grow and flourish just the way the dear Lord meant.
      Wjhen laws can stifle honest men from speaking their own tongue and when the Maple Trees will fear the men they are among,
      Then I will no longer speak my English voice aloud, but till that day Thank God I'll stick to the tongue of which I'm proud. Ed

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    3. @Cebeuq
      Regarding the link you posted below,

      http://www.montrealgazette.com/opinion/editorials/Macpherson+Rewriting+history+classroom/8069651/story.html

      Macpherson ends his piece with:

      "Agreement on the lie to be taught in Quebec schools will be earier if there's only one lie to consider"

      I can tell you that as someone who's kid is still in highschool, and being taught 'canadian history' lol, the lies have already begun. They have started implying that Pierre Laporte was not murdered by the FLQ and found in the back of a trunk. Nope..apparently, he flung himself from a 2nd storey window....and consequently...committing suicide.

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    4. @anectote

      " They have started implying that Pierre Laporte was not murdered by the FLQ and found in the back of a trunk. Nope..apparently, he flung himself from a 2nd storey window....and consequently...committing suicide."

      in my humble opinion you are making this up.

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    5. Lets just call a spade a spade.

      PQ history books = Propaganda

      The PQ continue to make Joseph Goebbels proud.

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  34. Have a listen to the eloquent commentary by the owner of Caffè in Gamba, Jean-François Leduc, about his views regarding the situation that resulted from a person who made an anonymous complaint to the OQLF in order to harass his small business:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUg_qtnBWH4

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  35. Brilliant reply on Twitter to the Minister of Hate and Divisiveness, or something like that, Diane De Courcy:
    http://on.fb.me/14Fq7fa
    http://bit.ly/ZnXeRL

    Diane De Courcy: “On this Internationals [sic] Day of the Woman, let us wish for egalitarian tomorrows from all points of view.”

    Put Back the Flag: Even for women who speak English?

    {*crickets*}

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  36. So, finally, we have got to see the ejaculate of the anglo cirlejerk…

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    1. True it's a lot different from watching PQ semen leak out of anglo asses.




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    2. Crisse ton camp d'ici, Jean. T'as vraiment pas de place sur ce blog.

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    3. @resident evil

      dude! i don't think your personnal problem with this guy has any relevancy here. take your hate away, please.

      @jean naimard

      what's a cirlejerk, mate?

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    4. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=circlejerk&sourceid=Mozilla-search

      Circlejerk

      1. A group discussion or activity between like-minded individuals that validates mutual biases or goals in a non-confrontational environment.

      2.To kneel in a circle with others and masturbate

      Take your pick.

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  37. I just don't think a sovereign quebec is economically feasible in the short run. Even if it keeps its borders intact...

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    1. do you think iceland, ireland, denmark, finland, czech republic, switzerland, new zealand and chile are economically feasible goldenapple? why couldn't quebec be as good as these guys are?

      i mean, quebec is bigger, has enough people, world class universities, working institutions, and more resources than all these countries put together.

      how the &%$£ can you doubt it could make it on its own?!?!?

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    2. student,

      It's funny that you would mention Iceland and Ireland, which have both become economic basket cases. Take a look at the Editor's video above, which shows that Iceland is even more heavily indebted than Quebec, coming in at fourth rather than fifth place worldwide.

      Quebec is too heavily indebted and its status as a fascist police state would make it very difficult for it to attract foreign investment if it were to become a country. It would be bankrupted shortly after achieving independence, especially since the billions of dollars of financial support it receives annually from the rest of Canada would be eliminated.

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    3. Ireland doesn't have a big stifling government. Irish and english are free to be used. No Office for irish language. Also, it's tax rate is low attracting business. Durham, Ireland is not an economic basket case. Ireland has structurally the same as the United States, subprime mortage crisis. Both the U.S and irish economies have a strong financial base.

      Quebec on the other has seen it's financial sector on St. James (or Saint-Jacques) literally disappear. Montreal is a shadow of it's former self.

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    4. @durham

      i mentioned a bunch of countries that are going through their problems without anyone wondering if they should be a province of another country instead of being sovereign states.

      basically every country as of today faces economic challenges. should they all be the province of another? quebec, with all it's got, can be as credible a country as anyone else.

      "its status as a fascist police state..."

      well you're right it kinda looked like it last spring when the police was beating up people at random and when the government said fred pellerin was violent. but i still think your statement is a gross exageration.

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    5. @ student

      There is nothing humble about you man. You are a troll, here to derail conversations. You have nothing to do and nothing to lose since you are being paid by racist separatists to act as un agent provocateur. When you saw that you're original approach of threats and violence didn't yield anyone's ire, you settled on being an obstacle in every stream.
      We've got all that covered though, because the world knows and recognizes our Country CANADA as an beacon of peace and mutual respect with the only fly in the ointment being the disgusting racist, jealous, anti North American and anti English speaking Taliban Québecois separatists!
      Well know this, you weasel; Our Country CANADA will not adhere to your segregation and partition demands. It is an unlawful web you weave and since you don't like it here, why don't you just leave?

      Oh, what am I saying? You don't want to work and the communists won't take you if you don't, so you must stay here in the country that is dumb enough to protect and keep a parasite like you! God I hope that changes soon. No more harboring of racists cells!

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    6. @teacher

      really?

      i'm a racist separatist troll agent provocateur fly disgusting racist jealous anti north amrican anti english taliban quebecois separatist weasel communist parasite racist?!?

      hahaha. you're losin' it, mate.

      next!

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  38. Hi all,

    A quick comment from me, totally irrelevant with the subject.

    I just finished my 2012 tax reports using H&R Block online. At first, I used my Quebec address. I thought I was entitled to it. After all, I still have my property, my wife and child still live here, I visit them every weekend and stay there on my holiday or vacation. So I got the number of my household total refund.

    I run the same number one more time. This time, I change my address to my apartment in Toronto. Nothing else changed, including my wife's address and province of residence. The result? The refund is $1600 bigger.

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    1. yeah, income taxes are lower in ontario, right?

      put an address in andorra now. then try one in denmark. good fun isn't it?

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  39. @ED AnonymousFriday, March 8, 2013 at 7:09:00 AM EST
    FROM ED
    I am aware that English isn’t my first language.
    You say - “before you try to make me look lika a liar, check your facts. I gyess you didn't know that truth is easily found on the internet”.
    I made no reference to you being a liar, I said “tall story“(a story or a statement that is difficult to believe because it is too exciting or interesting)

    You say - “Just to set you straight son, we're in Quebec and I'm talking about Montreal. The Vickers you are talking about is in Furress, England. “ Montreal never built an airplane“. Check your facts son before you put somebody down. When I post i make sure every word is true”
    Look here and scroll down to aerospace.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Vickers

    You say -Vickers died because it's workers spoke English. This is the 40’s,the Roman Catholic Church had it’s flock well under control. The majority of unskilled labourers were immigrants from mid Europe, they spoke 3 or 4 languages or more, when they spoke with each other they found a common language and most of the time it wasn’t English. English was spoken to there bosses. My dad worked there, at social functions I met hundreds of his co-workers and they rarely spoke to each other in English.

    (wikipedia) In 1944, business pressure compelled Canadian Vickers to ask the government to relieve it of its management responsibilities regarding the Cartierville plant. Ottawa agreed and entered into a management contract with Canadair Limited.

    I wasn’t putting you down just disagreeing with what you wrote.
    I am well aware of your age. I am up there too. So don’t patronize me

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  40. Here is lie #8.

    The Quebecois are the most charitable of any group in Canada! :o)

    Fier d'etre Quebecois?

    http://murraymakingadifference.wordpress.com/2013/03/09/is-this-a-sign-of-intelligence-o/

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      dude the concept was to bust "lies" that some people actually have supported before. yours doesn't fit in as nobody ever pretended quebecois were the most charitable group in canada.

      but it could the first of a biggest straw man ever list. i'm sur you can come up with many more.

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  41. Le restaurant Le Globe et Restaurant Buonanotte plaident coupable à des infractions fiscales

    http://www.revenuquebec.ca/fr/centre-information/communiques/ev-fisc/2007/18jan.aspx

    Hoho!

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