Monday, March 11, 2013

PQ Language Dog Finally Put Down

Minister to OQLF "Woah! Les moteurs"
Diane de Courcy, the PQ minister in charge of the language dossier, made no bones about it, the disastrous public relations nightmare concerning Pastagate had to be addressed one way or another.

The OQLF position that the pasta incident at the Buonanote restaurant was just an isolated case of an over-zealous inspector didn't quite fly and after a few days of trying to ride out the storm, during which time more and more incidents of language intolerance became public, it became clear that some action was required to restore public confidence.

The indefensible attack on Pasta and the subsequent public humiliation of Quebec in the international press so infuriated the general public that without a major reaction by the government , the OQLF and the PQ itself risked becoming the butt of a permanent joke.

And so De Courcy did what all politicians who find themselves in such a pickle do .....throw a scapegoat under the bus, in this case the head of the OQLF, Louise Marchand.

Now the media portrayed her removal as a resignation, but nothing could be farther from the truth, the announcement of Marchand's departure came from the minister herself in a press conference devoted to shoring up confidence in the PQ government.
When politicians or highly placed civil servants actually resign on their own, it is usual for them to call a press conference and give the reasons why, thank their co-workers and employees and otherwise wind up things professionally.
In this case, Marchand was shown the door like a fired employee frog marched out of the company premises with a box of personal effects under her arm, escorted by a trailing security agent.

"Ba-bye, don't talk to anybody and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!"

Anyways, I'm not sad to see her go, quite the opposite.
Marchand was the embodiment of everything evil about the OQLF, which under her reign became even more repressive, turning the agency into a dogmatic and cruel organization that reminds me of religious police in Islamic fundementalist countries where inspectors roam the streets, verifying the modesty of women's clothing.
Madame Marchand is your classic anglophobe, somone who let her true feelings surface once in a while as exemplified in this statement.

"Greeting a client in two languages isn't against the Charter, but it's an irritant.... Link


And so it's not hard to understand in what direction the anglophobic Marchand led the OQLF.
As we say in English...."Good riddance to bad rubbish."




Of course Louise Marchand will preserve a high-paying government job, we would expect no less, after all this is Quebec.
But she will end her career as damaged goods, like a pilot who crashes her airplane, killing the passengers, but who herself survives.
She will always be looked upon as a pariah, a bureaucrat who brought shame and humiliation to her province, because that is what the public demands, an individual scapegoat to carry the burden of what should be a collective shame.
The fiasco can't be laid at the PQ's knee exclusively, let's remember that Madame Marchand was a Liberal government appointee and that her particular reign of terror was tolerated by the party that was supposedly the defender of minority rights.

At any rate, De Courcy was surprisingly honest about the whole affair, telling reporters that it wasn't in fact a case of one or two over-zealous inspectors, but rather an institutional problem, where strict application of the law across the board, damn the consequences, was the order of the day.

The minister promises changes and a gentler approach. In fact de Courcy is just getting ahead of the prevailing wind, like a pompous ass standing at the sea shore at the beginning of low tide, ordering the waters to recede.
In light of Pastagate, the OQLF could never continue in its previous iteration.

The unfortunate inspector who triggered Pastagate may not be officially sanctioned, but I don't think she should hold her breath waiting for much in the way of career advancement.
Inspectors don't need De Courcy telling them to be gentler, the message has been made loud and clear.
If anything, government workers are resilient and these inspectors will shrug their shoulders and carry on according to the new rules.
As for over-zealousness, it is a thing of the past, no inspector or supervisor in the OQLF is going to risk getting their ass waxed over an English or Italian word or two.
For the OQLF, an agency hitherto obsessed with the elimination of English and now Italian from public purview, I can sum it all up with this simple remark from the dreaded Italiano.... '“Finita la commedia” (the farce is over..)

Also to consider is the fact that potential business targets have been emboldened and in many cases are spoiling for a fight with the sad-sack OQLF.
Make no mistake about it, the restaurants involved in the latest fiasco reaped invaluable publicity, so much so that others, like the shameless self-promoter David McMillan of Joe Beef restaurant, jumped on the bandwagon claiming that his restaurant was also a victim, hoping for a similar public relations windfall!
And guess what? He was justly rewarded by an obliging press, with OQLF language horror stories generating gads of media interest. You've got to admit it's a little comical. Link

Political cartoonist  Marc Beaudot elegantly captures the spirit of Pastagate

As I said in a previous post, we've crossed a critical tipping point, where the OQLF will never again spread fear and reap havoc to the extent it did so for these last years.

By the way, the insufferable Minister De Courcy gave another speech in which she proposed giving the Commission de Normes de Travail, the government agency mandated to protect workers rights, the new task of protecting workers right to work in French. I can only imagine the boondoggle as anyone pissed off with his or her boss can sic the dogs of the agency renowned for its unmitigated hatred of bosses.

At any rate I digress, the only reason I bring up the above is because of another statement she made during that presentation;
"I believe it is time that we in Quebec adapt to the reality of the twenty-first century, and we encourage the learning of a third language, or even a fourth, a fifth, in schools and colleges, "said the minister." Link 
That's a pretty bold statement, especially from the indefatigable Madame De Courcy who speaks nothing but French and warns reporters before her press conferences that she will take no questions in English. It actually would be funny if not so sad.

But let's go on.....I'd like to offer the OQLF an olive branch, a project where they can actually help promote French with the blessing of this blog and the entire English and Ethnic community.

The subject concerns the bad French that some consumer products bear because the company used Google or some other free Internet service to translate the French on the packaging.

The results are sometimes hilarious, sometimes sad and always disrespectful.

While small companies in China can be forgiven, I'll start the photo roll with a picture of a truck from that Canadian furniture institution LEONS.
The company translated the phrase, "Serving Canada",  painted on its familiar yellow truck into the French "Canada de portion,"  a moronic mistake that invokes the other meaning of portion (like a meal portion)
I'm not even mentioning the other dog's breakfast of a translation, on the bottom of the truck.
Laziness, stupidity, disrespect?
All of the above.









Picture credits Fail.Qc.com

For those who don't speak French, I'm reserving the explanations to the comments section so that readers can have some fun describing the gaffes.

Now wouldn't it be neat if the OQLF opened a website where small companies could get some help with French used on packaging.
They could  submit some French text and the OQLF could verify and offer appropriate changes quickly and without much fanfare.

The whole project could be funded with two or three employees and a webmaster at a cost of a two- hundred thousand dollars, tops. This in an agency with a budget of over $25 million.

It's a positive project that can make a meaningful difference, at a relatively low cost and one which we can all support.

But this is Quebec where no-brainers don't often make sense......

226 comments:

  1. FROM ED
    Thanks Editor the old post was overflowing. I'd like to point out the STM TRANSPORT ADAPTIVE that I use often is a great service for the elderly. the drivers are wonderfully caring and see the elderly right to the door (important in winter) and sperak fluent french and english. When I phone I get help in either language from a pleasant welcoming voice. This service is part of the STM. I wonder if Marvin Rot rand would explain how come these drivers can speak english while others are in capable. Makes no sense. Ed

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  2. Oh, Editor, screw the damn respect thing about the French packaging. The law ONLY states packaging in Canada must be in two languages: One spoken by 77% of the population, the other by 23%. The law doesn't say it has to be in grammatically proper French--or English. I've seen East Asian products described in equally crappy English.

    I'll agree it makes for better business if the language in or on the packaging is written properly, so no argument from a business standpoint. The ratio, however, is 340:6, so that's the big difference.

    Face facts, Editor, the goods imported to us in North America are serving 340 million English speakers, and only 6 million French. That's 57 English speakers for every French one.

    Quebec has lost respect for English, simple as that. That bulldog ugly Marchand was an anglophone as you wrote before. She even suggested tourists who come to Quebec who cannot speak or understand French should nevertheless be responded to in French. That would do just wonders for tourism! She deserved to get thrown under the bus, but no doubt she is the sacrificial lamb the PQ took it out on. Finally she was former Premier John James "Goldilocks" Charest's appointee, so this was the work of the so-called federalist PLQ.

    So you think the PQ is going to appoint the next language Nazi as some benevolent Tinker Bell? GET REAL, for the love of God! I'm sure it will be someone just as hell-bent on ridding Quebec of English, just like the outgoing witch song from the Wizard of Oz in that little blurb above. I'm sure it will be someone just as hard-assed as this ugly witch was, if not more.

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    1. Correction: Bulldog Marchand was certainly NOT an Anglophone, but an Anglophobe.

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    2. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYMonday, March 11, 2013 at 6:11:00 AM EDT

      "So you think the PQ is going to appoint the next language Nazi as some benevolent Tinker Bell? GET REAL, for the love of God!"

      You live outside of quebec, maybe you should focus your energies to lobby Ottawa's politicians on why they turn their backs on bill 101, 14 and lack of official bilingualism in quebec.

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    3. Notre parti mettra en poste quelqu'un de plus efficace.

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    4. FROM ED
      You see Editor under the Liberals the OQLF was allowed to function to keep francophone voters. Marchand was not a bulldog under the Libs because they wanted to maintain the Franco voters but not lose any English voters so the OQLF existed as invisibly as possible. The Libs were hoping the English wouldn't notice that the OQLF was still there so it was kept contolled.
      Under the PQ Marchand was pressed by Diane De Courcy and the hardliners till they pressed her out of a job. The blame for that lies with De Courcy and Marois who are ravenous when it comes to english blood. Ed

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    5. "Oh, Editor, screw the damn respect thing about the French packaging. The law ONLY states packaging in Canada must be in two languages: One spoken by 77% of the population, the other by 23%. The law doesn't say it has to be in grammatically proper French--or English."

      This position is ridiculous.

      Packaging laws are intended to insure that the consumer is informed about the product. Under what kind of mental gymnastics is proper usage optional?

      Yes, there are East Asian companies that mangle English. There are companies right here who mangle French. In the first case, it's a question of ressources. In the second, it's just a lack of consideration.

      I'm reminded of the time when Roger Video bought out Videotron's video rental location. They bought a full-page ad in the daily French newspaper - "Two for one all rentals for the rest of the year/Deux pour un tous loyers pour le repos de l'année" They cared enough to pay the big bucks for the ad, but not enough to make sure that their ad wasn't complete gibberish.

      It's valid to complain about this.

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    6. Right U R, Calgary, and this is what I'm working on. After the way former Premier John James "Goldilocks" Charest duped Harper on $700 million worth of federal transfers for specific programs that Goldilocks turned into a $700 million tax reduction for Quebec courtesy of taxpayers like you and me.

      I don't think Mr. Harper is interested in doing ANY Quebeckers ANY favours!

      Too, Calgary, I hope you're lobbying Ottawa from where U R 2!

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    7. Oy, Ed, sometimes what you write is enough to give an Aspirin a headache! I cannot believe the alibies you're handing to the Liberals. They are not the benevolent society you seem to delude yourself to think they are! At best, they're the brand called Nationalist Lite and the PQ are Nationalist Extra! Good gravy!

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    8. Packaging laws are intended to insure that the consumer is informed about the product. Under what kind of mental gymnastics is proper usage optional?


      Agree. If you're going to go the distance and have multilingual packaging (which I support), why not do it right to begin with?

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  3. From Articfrost

    I love the idea, but does not fit the overall purpose of the PQ nor the OQLF and that is to create winning conditions for the next referendum, that is, to make the federalist anglos uncomfortable and leave Quebec. It had nothing to do with respect, but vengeance for perceived historical slights. The moment we realize this, the moment we will understand this the moment we will understand the "Je me Souviens" "maitre de chez nous" etc.. sovereignist mantra's. I predict this will continue for another few generations, and they will continue and they will continue to strip English away from the Quebec collective. Therefore, the only hope we have as anglo Quebecers (those who want to stay) is to protect our rights through the right of law and protests.Otherwise, Anglophobia will persist, and exiles will continue until we gradually disappear, and as we disappear the winning conditions for Quebec's sovereignty will be more and more realistic. If this happens, anglo rights will non existent, if you think things are bad now. Imagine an independent Quebec.

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    1. Exactly right, but did you see what Mr. Anonymous Quebec Nationalist just posted in reply to Apparatchik on the previous thread? That despite all these machinations against us, we had better just "tone it down"! And he rationalizes all of today’s current PQ subterfuge by citing ancient historical grievances over and over and over again… all the while conveniently ignoring Apparatchik’s sensible,detailed reply to him yet again. What a genius.

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    2. Since you have brought it up here, I should mention that I have responded to Anonymous.

      To see the response, check out the comments in the previous thread. You'll likely need to "load more" more than once.

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  4. FROM ED
    Do you really think we're going to let them stay in office for a few more generations. We are going to wipe them out this spring. There will be no more referendums. Ed

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  5. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYMonday, March 11, 2013 at 6:16:00 AM EDT

    "Do you really think we're going to let them stay in office for a few more generations. We are going to wipe them out this spring. There will be no more referendums. Ed"

    Seriously, the PQ will ensure they have huge, 60%+ support in all polls and public opinion before they even contemplate a referendum. That will be the trigger; a overwhelming 60%+ in every poll, regularly, from reliable firms and that over a long period of time, such as 9-12 months of consistent 60%+.
    Will that happen? Not in short-medium term (12-24 months).

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    1. FROM ED
      Une gars, I don't believe they will ever attain 60% again. The French are catrching on. They are losing the support and I think Dr. Couillard will make a difference. French and English people are impressed with his stature as a brain surgeon and I feel that the Francophones will listen to him. In the meantime we have 60% between PLQ and CAQ and they have less than 40%. I think with the number of rallies and protests we will be able to muster in the spring and pressure on them in the Parliament, the economy will force an election. Ed

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    2. Ed,

      Everything you are saying, above, about how things are different now and that the populace is "catching on" was all said, verbatim, back in the '80s after Trudeau left office and public opinion polls showed almost single digit support for sovereignty.

      All it took was a perceived "humiliation" (ie, rejection of Meech Lake) and those numbers shot back up, culminating in the '95 referendum in which 60% of francophones voted "yes" and the "no" side squeaked by in victory.

      It doesn't take much to get those numbers back up...it can happen at ANY time...and I hope it does.

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    3. FROM ED
      God forbid someone should mention a ray of hope when you're around. I'm sorry that you're still living back in the days of the last referendum, it must be a downer to be like that. I can understand that you are hoping for another referendum so you can write another one of your I was there books. You seem to hope the province we live in will all blow up in our faces.
      Thankfully most of us have an upbeat attitude thinking positively about the future so you doom and boom types don't depress us. It looks like a contest between you and complicated to see who can be the biggest downer.
      But Hell, I keep smilin' I got the Liberals in my pocket. Ed

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    4. Ed,

      I've never written an "I was there" book, so I don't know what you are talking about.

      There is a difference between thinking and acting positively and naivite, especially when the latter leads to one's community letting their defenses down.

      Now, you and your segregationist friend, Justin, can go support Bill 101 and be all positive about it.

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    5. Ed, you'll just have to forgive my skepticism of the PLQ (Liberals). For 39 years, starting with Bill 22 in 1974, it was Bourassa that threw the first punch at the minorities in the name of appeasing the hardliners. Bill 22 started the first language bureaucracy, La Régie de la langue française du Québec.

      Three years later came Bill 101, but lo, in March 1977, the PQ came up with Bill 1, the true objective of the PQ that I refer to as the Bill 14 of today! Bill 1 was far more stringent and downright fascist than Bill 101, but it was TOO stringent for the Quebec Establishment (far more Anglophones back then, and sympathetic Francophones). Think of it this way:
      Bill 1 - Bill 101 = Beaudoin's Bill 40* = Bill 14

      *Louise Beaudoin, when she was the Chief of the Language Police, not unlike Diane De Courcy today, came up with Bill 40 that was defeated by the PLQ for being ridiculously anti-democratic by, like the proposed Bill 14, allowing language inspectors to enter your place of business, possibly your home, unannounced, and look for "Illegal English". Howard Galganov discussed this in the Angryphone documentary, perplexed as to what exactly "Illegal English" is.

      Bill 14 is just another way of cooking up cruel, oppressive and impudent laws against their rabid enemy, Anglophones. Bill 1 was watered down, Bill 40 didn't pass Bill 195 proposed by Marois while in opposition didn't pass, so here is Bill 14.

      The rabid racist separatists, dispisers of English guts, have tried to serve our goose poached, boiled, roasted and grilled; now they're trying to fry it! How will they try to serve it next time, if they don't succeed this time?

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    6. FROM ED
      Mr. Sauga, Like you, I have been accused many times of living in the past. However, now what happened 40 years ago is meaningless to me. I am not going to give up because others say they couldn't do it so neither can we. Let the Complicateds of the world see it this way. I'm moving on. Ed

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    7. @ed

      "moving on", and voting for another liberal crook. err... dubious move, mate.

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    8. I'm of the ilk that believes doing the same task repeatedly and expecting a different result each time goes against intelligent thinking. Just an opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

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    9. Ed:

      What does "I'm moving on" refer to?

      Does this mean you are happy with Bill 101 as is?

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  6. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYMonday, March 11, 2013 at 6:26:00 AM EDT

    Clearly, quebec is broke. Echangeur Turcot reconstruction hit by delays:
    http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/regional/montreal/201303/10/01-4629638-echangeur-turcot-lethique-prend-du-temps.php

    More taxes are the solution. At the very least do not exploit your natural resources (tree huggers & unions say it is bad), quebec. Rely on Ottawa instead by way of threats (end sarcasm).

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  7. IIRC, Marchand was a Liberal appointee, not PQ. No skin off their noses.

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    1. Either way it'll serve as a warning to the entire OQLF: sit back and shut up if you want to keep collecting those paychecks.

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    2. FROM ED
      Right Foremost but under the Liberals she wasn't making stupid mstakes. her screw ups were done to please Marois and the hard liners who thanked her by turning their back on her,. Typical PQ.

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    3. "Procès d'intention" are an interesting thing.

      Mr ED : "...under the Liberals she wasn't making stupid mstakes. her screw ups were done to please Marois and the hard liners who thanked her by turning their back on her,. Typical PQ."

      Mr Paranoiac Separatist : "...under the Liberals she wasn't making stupid mstakes. her screw ups were done to sabotage the PQ in the public opinion. Typical federalist."

      It is interesting to see how one reads someone else's motives.

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    4. Sadly, if "pastagate" had happened under the Liberals it would NOT have garnered all the outraged indignation that it has, particularly by people like you, Ed, who just LOVE the Liberals.

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    5. FROM ED
      Tony, here ya go again ( my God I sound like Reagan) putting words in my mouth. I have not spoken about pastagate as I think the whole thing is silly. OUTRAGED, INDIGNANT about some one else's typos, get real. I'm not sure who you hate most me or the Liberals. Either way, it''s love me, love my brother or go fuck yourself, I'm sick of your attacks on everything I wrilte. Ed

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    6. Ed,

      I don't hate you. And please don't interpret my comments as attacks on you personally. I try and address your policies and what you write.

      I believe you represent the old guard and the anglo establishment which has served our community horribly over the past 40 years (with that wonderful exception when the Equality Party had four candidates elected in 1989). Your ways and policies are and have been a disaster and I will, to the best of my ability, continue to point them out as I see fit.

      If you think that my assessment is wrong, I suggest you counter with facts and reason to demonstrate why I am wrong.

      I take umbrage at your support of people, like Justin Trudeau, who advocate segregation, xenophobia, inequality, and human rights abuses...and I will do everything I can to shame you for your support of him and the Liberals, provincial and federal.

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    7. @michel patrice

      in my opinion it sabotaged the pq more than it pleased pauline marois. in fact i doubt she was pleased even a little bit.

      mr paranoiac separatist's interpretation therefore seems to better explain the whole thing.

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    8. FROM ED
      Tony, of course i see your writing as attacks. You accuse me of having somekind of a gay love for justin Trudeau when all I'm doing is trying to point out that he is the best chance we have of getting rid of harper, et.al. People like you can't or don't want to see the forest for the trees. I don't give a shit what his character is, his numbers are good across Canada making him an ideal Candidate that could get rid of the conservatives that everyone is complaining about. What the hell could be wrong with that. You accuse me of being outraged and indignant about pastagate. I have never said a word about pastagate, I consider it beneath me to write on such nonsense.
      MY WAYS AND POLICIES HAVE BEEN A DISASTER. That's not a statement. it's a personal attack accusing me of being responsible for all that went wrong with Canada. Like you Tony I never had more than one vote and I used it the way every other bloody englishman in this province did. I voted liberal. I do not represent any 'old guard' or anyone but myself and I will as an individual continue to promote what I believe will help us get rid of the enemies that
      infest our lives. Ed

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  8. Anyone who thinks that Pastagate or any other gates or embarassments will have any effect is delusional. Read Le Devoir's articles and, in particular, the comments sections. There you will encounter the racist, xenophobic, tribalists who live in daily fear of the inability to live entirely in French and who do not believe that the anglophone community has any role in Quebec other than to disappear.

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    1. Here you go.
      If you look into his profile, he reiterates the necessity to MODIFY (???) non-francophones to make them more francophone.

      Dominique Beaulieu - Inscrit
      9 mars 2013 17 h 06
      Quelle surprise!
      Pour les Anglophones, assimiler les francophones et les immigrants est un droit fondamental. Pour
      eux, travailler en anglais avec les francophones et les immigrants est un droit fondamental. Pour eux,
      avoir des services bilingues d'une municipalité avec moins de 20% d'anglophones est un droit
      fondamental. Pour eux, exiger un examen dans la langue nationale pour avoir son diplôme, comme
      dans n'importe quelle nation du monde, c'est brimer leurs droits. Pour eux, brimer leur droit de
      recevoir un service en anglais d'un commis de la STM, c'est grave, mais brimer le droit de ce commis
      de travailler en français, ça, ce n'est pas grave.
      Personnellement, j'abolirais toutes les municipalités bilingues parce qu'elles sont du ressort de l'État et
      l'État est français. J'imposerais des examens de français pour l'obtention de tout diplôme au Québec,
      même pour les étudiants étrangers de passage à McGill. Tout fonctionnaire utilisant une autre langue
      que le français devrait être sanctionné. Tout employeur exigeant une connaissance de l'anglais devra
      obtenir un numéro d'autorisation de l'OQLF. Une liste d'emplois permettra aux employeurs de faire
      une pré-sélection eux-mêmes. Par exemple, pour un commis de dépanneur, pour un livreur et pour un
      serveur, ce sera un NON automatique. Pour un VP marketing ou un guide touristique, c'est autre
      chose.
      Je serais bien content de revoir un exode massif comme suite à l'élection du PQ en 1976. Voici les
      avantages :
      1) Cabanes pas chères à Westmount.
      2) Moins de voteurs pour le NON au prochain référendum et pour le PLQ.
      3) Intégration plus facile des immigrants en l'absence d'une masse critique d'anglophones.
      4) Les institutions anglophones ne seront plus justifiées.
      5) Obligation de bilinguisme dans certains emplois en baisse.
      6) Loyers moins chers à Montréal.
      Bref, ce serait fantastique.

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    2. "3) Intégration plus facile des immigrants en l'absence d'une masse critique d'anglophones."

      For some people it's a zero sum game. If you learn English, then even if you learn French you are still suspect. It's either a total cultural immersion in our culture, or an enemy label.

      The lady should also know that the English language coasts on its lingua franca status, its importance in the economy, and on continental demographics. The critical mass of native English speakers in Montreal is of little importance. That critical mass is gone anyways. Does it change anything? No.

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    3. 1) Cabanes pas chères à Westmount
      Yes and Marois's chauteau
      2) Moins de voteurs pour le NON au prochain référendum et pour le PLQ
      No comment
      3) Intégration plus facile des immigrants en l'absence d'une masse critique d'anglophones
      Would anybody want to come. How do you intergrate into a community that doesn't want you and the ones that do come, realize that they have been had ,then what.
      4) Les institutions anglophones ne seront plus justifiées
      Yes! I can see you talking French to the 350 million prople south of us(USA)
      5) Obligation de bilinguisme dans certains emplois en baisse
      Interesting,how does Hydro talk to Hydro in Vermont
      6) Loyers moins chers à Montréal
      No people renting because they will be liveing in there own homes in Westmount.

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    4. "For some people it's a zero sum game"

      There is not real game, in this case. We are talking about a nasty, racist, xenophobic, antisemitic (see his articles on vigile.net and the necessity to purge Montreal from the Jews), probably homophobic and obviously monolingual Nazi with whom there cannot be any game, not even a zero sum one. Personally, such an idiot should be fired from his actual position (http://vision.gel.ulaval.ca/en/people/Id_777/index.php): Nazi face with Nazi glasses and Nazi ideas.

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    5. I'm pretty sure that's the Dominique Beaulieu I know.

      Sounds just like her, and if it is, I can tell you this much - this chick CANNOT refer to black people without the "N" word.

      Dominique, if that's you, just take the original piece of advice I gave you and watch the movie Romper Stomper...

      ...and the whole time you watch it, be sure to remember that there isn't an ounce of difference between you and those freaks.

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    6. He is a male, Resident Evil. Ugly inside and outside, but he is a male anyway.

      Check out his (fake and non-existing) expertise in linguistics (a linguistic cleansing to purify French):

      http://www.vigile.net/Recommandations-rapides-pour

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    7. and he is a Catholic too (http://www.vigile.net/Prudence-concernant-les-abattoirs)

      Vous avez remarqué que je parle également des valeurs catholiques dans mon propos. Je ne suis pas d’accord avec le fait de balayer notre héritage catholique sous le tapis sous prétexte de vouloir traiter tout le monde également. Les immigrants doivent accepter que le Québec est de tradition catholique et que si l’on autorise une crèche à Noël, cela ne nous oblige pas à accepter des symboles musulmans. C’est une question de respect de la société d’accueil.

      Ceci dit, je suis Catholique agnostique non pratiquant. Mais je suis traditionaliste.

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    8. Its exactly this attitude that leaves me little hope that things will change for the better here in Quebec. There are too many Quebecois who think like this Dominique Beaulieu. Its clear to me the PQ strategy and that of many hardline francophones is to make life miserable enough here to drive more anglophones out of the province. They want us gone..they want to scoop up all those cheap houses like they did in the 1970s and 80s. They really believe that the economy will not suffer much..that the government will take care of them..that life will be just wonderful once everybody speaks french. They dont realize that the economy would collapse..the debt will spiral out of control..there would be mass layoffs..rent and housing would be cheap but there will be mass unemployment.

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    9. Actually, in keeping with this person, I just wanted to go over the point from Dominique's diatribe that stands out the most:

      1) Cabanes pas chères à Westmount.

      See, this comment just proves that you can take slavery out of Quebec, but you can't take slavery out of the separatist mindset.

      This attitude clearly illustrates how these guys are permanently "colon-minded" and don't believe they should aspire to acquire those prestigious homes in an honest, ethical manner.

      Why should they ever try to build something out of nothing or sweat their way to the top-rank of their career-field and reward this determination with a house in Westmount?

      Simply put, they can't.

      And that's why you have two classes of people in Quebec.

      These two classes have nothing to do with French or English or any other language.

      They have nothing to do with race, religion, skin colour or gender.

      What I'm talking about are the Quebe-Cants...the class that limp-wristed apologists like Dominique and Student belong to...

      ...And then you have the Quebe-Cans.

      The Quebe-Cants spend their miserable lives loathing the very class they wish they could be a part of, yet they crave those symbols of success.

      What the Quebe-Cants don't realize however is that a separated Quebec will look much like Gotham City in Batman III, after the rich have been purged and you see all the bums drinking their liquor and having drag-races in their luxury cars.

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    10. Well said, John, and I agree wholeheartedly with your observation.

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    11. FROM ED
      John, it's aways the most vocal that write letters and opinions. Rallies and protests are the best way to get French people out to see what's going on . Ed

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    12. Same old cranky vengeful claims.

      Quebec has changed since 1960. The fact that these old and not-so-old coots are still singing the same tune says a lot about how out of touch they are with reality.

      The more they do that, the more they're actually demonstrating how badly certain ideologies espoused by Quebec nationalism need to go the way of the do-do.

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    13. @JK

      "Read Le Devoir's articles and, in particular, the comments sections. There you will encounter the racist, xenophobic, tribalists who live in daily fear of the inability to live entirely in French and who do not believe that the anglophone community has any role in Quebec other than to disappear"

      What should happen, is that 'Le Devoir' should be embarrassed via Social Media at this point, as well. Journalism should at least pretend to be politically correct, most of the time and publishing such comments is a blatant endorsement of that point of view. When was this ever allowed...but I guess it is now....and blatantly so....I say it should hit social media .....run the rag down.

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    14. "They really believe that the economy will not suffer much..that the government will take care of them..that life will be just wonderful once everybody speaks french. They dont realize that the economy would collapse..the debt will spiral out of control..there would be mass layoffs..rent and housing would be cheap but there will be mass unemployment"

      I'll tell you what is scary...it is scary to imagine that a city like Montreal has become a shadow of itself AND, it could get a lot worst. How's this for bed-time reading: "Detroit - An American Autopsy" Charlie LeDuff

      For those of you in denial, I'm sure that Detroit never thought THIS is what it could become, 40 years later.

      Sweet Dreams.

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    15. @anectote

      "How's this for bed-time reading: "Detroit - An American Autopsy" Charlie LeDuff"

      so true, mate. it's very fortunate for quebec that montreal has a diversified economy.

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    16. Your diversified economy is dwindling FAST moron. But hey...keep up the antics and in Montreal's case...it won't take 40yrs for it to become 'Urban Misery'.

      I suppose you gotta be pretty slow, if you didn't understand the Memo RE: 'Denial'!

      Did I not mention I don't give a crap for 'dem' pinstripes? Guess you didn't 'get' that Memo either, huh? (twit)



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    17. @anectote

      "Your diversified economy is dwindling FAST..."

      show me the data.

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  9. Who would have thought the most important role of the UN for Canada will be internally to help maintain Human Rights within Canada against Quebec ethnic nationalists.

    Somebody needs to read the document and compare with how backward Quebec is. This is a UNIVERSAL declatation of human rights. For PQ people that means it's not subject to being "interpreted in the historical context (lies) of Quebec". It's ABSOLUTE.

    http://www.un.org/cyberschoolbus/humanrights/resources/child.asp

    Careful attention to details like "his culture". Oh shit. That's not Quebec.

    Child comes first before politics? Nope, not here. Bill 101 overrides.

    Fuck selective enforcement of the OLQF.

    This is selective human rights.

    And all the PQ lefties calling themselves "progressive".

    They should be ashamed of themselves for trampling on the universal rights of children.

    We need to take this to the UN again and file a grievance.



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    7 The child is entitled to receive education, which shall be free and compulsory, at least in the elementary stages. He shall be given an education which will promote his general culture and enable him, on a basis of equal opportunity, to develop his abilities, his individual judgement, and his sense of moral and social responsibility, and to become a useful member of society.
    The best interests of the child shall be the guiding principle of those responsible for his education and guidance; that responsibility lies in the first place with his parents.
    The child shall have full opportunity for play and recreation, which should be directed to the same purposes as education; society and the public authorities shall endeavour to promote the enjoyment of this right.

    8 The child shall in all circumstances be among the first to receive protection and relief.


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    1. cebeug:

      It may interest you and other readers to know that when Canada signs these kinds of international agreements and covenants -- particularly the one you cite above that has to do with education -- that if the agreements have anything to do with provincial jurisdiction (such as education), Canada's Minister of Justice first gets all of the provinces permission (including Quebec's) before they go ahead and sign on to it.

      So, in this sense, Quebec is as much a signatory as Canada is. And there is a paper trail to this effect.

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    2. I find ridiculous that Quebec, by offering two different school system, is somehow more amiss than the vast majority of countries in the world offering only one, just because they restrict access to the second one.

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    3. Yannick,

      The United States had, by law, a system of "separate but equal" in many parts of their country for their school systems right up until the '60s and '70s.

      Would you find that "ridiculous", too?

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    4. Yes, because their system segregated based on skin colour, as opposed to language.

      Language, unlike the colour of your skin or your blood type, actually has an impact on the education. For instance, it's not a good idea to enroll francophone children in a French Immersion class.

      Countries all around the world only provide education in their official language. Some places with more than one have a severely segregated system in which where you live decides which kind of education you can get. There is no minority language rights for Flemish kids in Wallonia and vice-versa, or for German kids in French Switzerland and vice-versa.

      Canada (and by extension Quebec) has one of the most progressive stances on the subject. Nowhere else in the world will you find that minorities have access to education in their language no matter where you live.

      It's true, Quebec does not offer the English school system to immigrants whose Mother Tongue is English. It's unfortunate, and I believe they should change it in order to encourage immigration from the US. It would also make the access to minority language education in step with the rest of Canada.

      But to say that Quebec is somehow infringing human rights by not opening up its minority language schools to whoever? That's complete lunacy. It's holding up Quebec to a standard that no one in the world achieves.

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    5. Clarification - when I say "Countries only provide education in their official language", I mean of course that that language is the language of instruction, not that it is the only language taught.

      I often hear that people would rather enroll their children in the English system in Quebec since the quality is better, and it does a better job at teaching both French and English. It's a valid one, but it's not really some kind of human rights issue.

      One would think that the way for Separatists to encourage immigrants to want to enroll in the French school system would be to improve its quality, including the teaching of English. But it seems they would rather keep the masses ignorant.

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    6. Yannick writes:

      "Yes, because their system segregated based on skin colour, as opposed to language."

      But Quebec and Canada do not segregate on the basis of language but on the test of descent. The determining factor, according to Bill 101 and s. 23 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, that segregates is (1) who your parents are; and (2) what their classification is. Language has nothing to do with it.

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    7. I disagree. Section 23 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is intended to allow education based on language.

      Yes, the requirements are placed on the parents - that's because the parents are the ones who determine what language the child will have. Two unilingual Anglophones won't have a francophone child.

      But the requirements is fairly simple - if your mother tongue is the minority language, or you were educated in that language, you can have your child educated in the minority language. If one of your children has been educated in one language, and you move to a province where that is the minority language, your child has the right to continue being educated in that language, so that you don't have to switch tracks half-way through. In the same situation, the siblings of your child also have the right to be educated in that language, so that you don't have to send them to different schools.

      It's only Quebec who makes it into a descent law. Section 23 as-is has nothing to do with descent. An Anglo-Quebecker who was educated in French in Quebec and moves to Saskatchewan can enroll his children in the Francophone school system, and an Assimilated Franco-Ontarian called John Vaillancourt who moves to the same town can't.

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    8. The entire idea the govt feels it's necessary to interfere in schooling to this level is wrong. Quebec is engaged in large scale social engineering based on something they pretend is language.

      In reality language isn;t really the problem or the real issue.

      It's the content of the message that is really the problem.

      It makes no difference what language "Diane De Courcy" Minister of Hate Propaganda gives out her press releases.

      The hateful socially divisive message that favours one class of society over another is still the same.

      Language really isn;t the issue at all.

      Anglophones don;t get upset at the word "Arret" on a sign. The meaning of the message is relevant and easily understood.

      Immigrants and anglo's and everybody else get upset of the content of the message once it's translated so they can understand (or speak french).

      The message actually is:
      Stamp out any customs and language not from France
      Nobody except Quebec old stock have ever contrbuted positively to Quebec society
      Montreal has been french since before the Indians were here, the trees and streams spoke of their desire to know Moliere.
      The hell with business and industry, unions, students, politicians, mob run the place
      Petty nitpicking about "on/off switches"
      Over-regulation in every industry
      etc

      This list goes on and on.




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    9. Yannick:

      Please read the law (that is, section 23 of the Canadian Charter and ss. 72 and 73 of Bill 101).

      The test of descent is imposed by both.

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    10. I have read section 23, in details. I have seen nothing of a test of descent.

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    11. 1) Citizens of Canada:

      a) first language learned and still understood is that of the English or French linguistic minority population of the province in which they reside, or

      b) who have received their primary school instruction in Canada in English or French and reside in a province where the language in which they received that instruction is the language of the English or French linguistic minority population of the province,

      have the right to have their children receive primary and secondary school instruction in that language in that province.

      (2) Citizens of Canada of whom any child has received or is receiving primary or secondary school instruction in English or French in Canada, have the right to have all their children receive primary and secondary school instruction in the same language.

      (3) The right of citizens of Canada under subsections (1) and (2) to have their children receive primary and secondary school instruction in the language of the English or French linguistic minority population of a province:

      a) applies wherever in the province the number of children of citizens who have such a right is sufficient to warrant the provision to them out of public funds of minority language instruction; and

      b) includes, where the number of those children so warrants, the right to have them receive that instruction in minority language educational facilities provided out of public funds.

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  10. I find it absolutely ridiculous that we had to wait for "PastaGate" to finally get international recognition of what is going on here in Québec and to finally shame a Québec Gov't into backing down. Why should an Italian word gain more attention that English ?
    For me, this is a friggin joke !! Wake the hell up people ! Stop the whole friggin language crap - NOW !!!

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    1. International "bad press" is Quebec's Achilles Heel.

      When the Bourassa government finally amended Bill 101 to conform to the Supreme Court decision on signs, they did so immediately on the tail of the MacIntyre judgement by the United Nations Human Rights Committee decision, which went against Quebec (and, by the way, had Canada DEFENDING Quebec's actions before the committee).

      So, yes, sadly, it does take international recognition, as you put it, to put a stop to these things.

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    2. @tony

      you're right. fortunately for separatists independance drives are generally positively considered by foreigners. it's a natural thing to feel sympathy for nations that are longing for freedom.

      in quebec's particular case, i would believe that the amount of worldwide sympathy the separatists gained after the september 4th attack on the premier has not been eaten up by the latest pastagate funny story.

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    3. student writes:

      "it's a natural thing to feel sympathy for nations that are longing for freedom."

      Please.

      If Quebec the Glorious Nation actually wants "freedom" from the horrible grip of Canada they are trapped in they can (1) ask a clear and unambiguous question in sovereignty referendums (unlike the two mamby-pamby questions that were asked in '80 and'95); and (2) vote "yes" in the majority.

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    4. i agree with your 1 and 2. but i don't see how they are in opposition with the quote you chose from my previous comment.

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  11. Well I don't company should have to hire translator to translate the company's packaging. First of all, the cost will just be passed on to customers. Second of all, some companies will just avoid Quebec altogether, like some online companies. Right business should focus on reducing cost like Walmart, and Amazon. I don't mind bad translation, I just want a cheaper good.

    Also, on a side issue, Quebec opposes uranium development. Oh well, I suppose Saskatchewan, Manitoba, NWT and Ontario will have the jobs.

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    1. One of friend moved to Saskatchewan to work for a company specializing in uranium extraction. Anyway, he send me this link to tell me how opposed to economic diversification.
      http://www.radio-canada.ca/regions/quebec/2013/03/11/006-uranium-opposants-strateco.shtml

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    2. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYMonday, March 11, 2013 at 5:12:00 PM EDT

      Liam here are some comments from your links, which proves that some folks in quebec are still "with it":

      "Qu'on mette de grands écriteaux aux entrées du Québec:
      'Cette Province est fermée définitivement au développement'.
      Mais les chèques d'assurance-emploi et de péréquation sont bienvenus."

      "Mais, oui au bs, oui à l'assurance-emploi, oui à ce triste championnat de décrochage scolaire et surtout, oui à la péréquation provenant de l'Alberta, de la Saskatchewan, de la Colombie-Britannique et de Terre-Neuve.
      Objectons-nous à tout! Bloquons tout! Laissons-nous vivre par ceux qui osent exploiter leurs richesses. C'est tellement plus facile. Et, réclamons en d'avantage s'il le faut!
      Le Québec, c'est tiguidou!"

      "Le Quebec n'a pas besoin de developpement, le Quebec n'a pas besoin de projet economique, tous nos services vont se payer d'eux meme, et notre dette astronomique va disparaitre par magie.

      Y a de quoi etre fier, y a pas a dire!"

      OUCH!!!

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    3. Quebec is against any business activity that does not involve making and trading in Quebec cultural artifacts.

      This and food are the only items society needs to be happy in their minds.

      Economically it also makes a sustainable economy obviously.

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    4. Quebec is only sustainable with equalization and welfare checks.

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    5. @all

      dudes is this little conversation here between un gars bs de calgary, cebeuq and liam a good example of a circlejerk?

      thanks.

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    6. Ce sont de grands amateurs de Chardonnay,de "pasta" et de "petits cercles".

      Héhé!

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    7. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYTuesday, March 12, 2013 at 6:53:00 AM EDT

      student & S.R. are the biggest assets of this blog.
      By way of their futile, ridiculous comments they are huge help for the Anglos' cause on here.
      They're both separatists, franco supremacists, intolerant, openly homphobes and xenophobes (read their past comments going back months now) hostile to anglos, etc but in fact, by their words and quotes they've accomplished tremendous work in discrediting the quebec supremacist cause. Simply for being them:)
      For myself, I do urge them to redouble efforts on this blog.
      Good job, guys!!! You prove that the quebec cause is a lost one!!!

      Continuez de montrer a la planete que les quebecois sont des cruches.

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  12. "They could submit some French text and the OQLF could verify and offer appropriate changes quickly and without much fanfare."

    Such a service already exists in the private sector. One can hire a freelance translater (easily found on the website of their association). Around 20 cents per word, 50$/hour.

    And I bet that, if someone would write to the OQLF and would ask for help for translating a few words, they would help, and probably for free.

    A company that writes on its trucks "Canada du Portion" just does not care, free OQLF service available or not.

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    1. Agreed. The city of Dieppe in N-B offered free translation services for billboards, nobody cared. Then they announced that there would be a by-law making mandatory bilingual signage, nobody cared. Then everyone cried bloody murder when the fines started coming in, a year after they were announced.

      It's why that specific portion of 101 is necessary. Otherwise out-of-province businesses show all the consideration of a bulldozer.

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    2. I dispute whether that's still universally true, as far as Quebec is concerned.

      If the last few decades have taught us anything -- at least those of us who were paying attention -- it's that nobody likes to feel marginalized.

      In Montreal at least, I'm fairly confident that the abolition of our language law would largely give way to the emergence of a French-first bilingualism policy. Most of us are quite familiar with "Bonjour/Hi", pressing nine for English, and starting a sentence in one language and ending it in another.

      Let the out-of-province businesses try to do things any other way. We'll vote with our feet and they'll get with the program pretty quick. My point is that we don't need to exclude and marginalize either side. With a bilingual (or at least receptive) populace, we should be able to muddle through. It's what a lot of us are doing already, despite the legislation, and we're doing just fine.

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  13. @Adski

    Vous avez compris?Polissez la saucisse!Mdr

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  14. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYMonday, March 11, 2013 at 5:04:00 PM EDT

    I have my theory on our friend S.R.
    He is the biggest asset of this blog.
    By way of his futile, ridiculous comments S.R. is a huge help for the Anglos' cause on here.
    He says he is deeply sovereignist, hostile to anglos, etc but in fact, by his words he does tremendous work in discrediting the quebec supremacist cause.
    For myself, I do urge him to redouble efforts on this blog.
    Good job, S.R.!!! You prove that the quebec cause is a lost one!!!

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  15. “PQ Language Dog Finally Put Down” I disagree strongly
    No dog has been put down, the “ Pasta Chaser” following the dog has been changed

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    1. I agree with WAC on this one. Were it not for Twitter and Social Media, it would be business of usual, with the Pasta Chasers and the language torque working its daily grind. They had to save face, and they threw the witch under the bus, ("Ding dong the witch is dead" still puts a smile on my face.),somehow defuse the situation, otherwise it is less money in their pockets, which they cannot afford.

      Indeed, they have put down nothing. They will be at it again, ...once they fall off the RADAR, ...unless of course, we figure out a way, to keep them squarely on the RADAR.

      I disagree with you Editor...'La Commedia é appena incominciata.'

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    2. ...Please stand by for fifty more years of crap?

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  16. Pastagate makes it to The Economist "Once they start laughing at you, you're through" http://www.economist.com/blogs/johnson/2013/03/language-policy#comments

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  17. Sa demande est refusée en anglais

    http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2013/03/05/sa-demande-est-refusee-en-anglais#.UT4xHlymDos.facebook

    Non mais...

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    1. and, your stupid, moronic point is...?

      I will tell you the real point, Evolutionsbremse: the point is that, if everybody was bilingual, certain problems could be avoided, but since some people of your race have been refusing being bilingual, certain problems are far from being avoided. A request in English or in French is the same, since we are in the same country with 2 official languages. If the request had been in German, that wouldn't make any sense, but since Canada has 2 official languages, any of the 2 languages used to communicate with the public is and should be valid. So, a storm in a cream bowl, that is, typical example of emotionally whipped-up quebecois.

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  18. " Il serait temps de reprogrammer votre patente, a prend l'eau. Allez vous faire servir en français dans un resto à Hamstead et on se reparle ..... Bye là." This is exactly the type of bigoted statement by quebec seperatist. First of all, write proper french. Il serait le temps de repenser. Aller vous faire servire en français dans un restaurent à Hampstead et on se reparle.
    Second of all, Patent is english word, and for someone that is supposed to be shocked by the english in Hampstead and I surprised. Go eat a poutine in Chicoutimi.
    http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2013/03/05/sa-demande-est-refusee-en-anglais#.UT4xHlymDos.facebook

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    1. Patente does not mean patent. It's probably closest to "thing" in meaning.

      The English "patent" is already translated as "brevet".

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    2. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYMonday, March 11, 2013 at 6:39:00 PM EDT

      A typical quebecois dummy that was brainwashed at school:

      "Le Canada est devenu un véritable cancer pour le Québec, à tous les points de vues, économiquement c'est une vrai nuisance, il draine vers Toronto et le sud de l'Ontario tout ce qui s'installeraient naturellement dans la région de Montréal, fiscalement c'est l'enfer de sorte qu'un Québec indépendant ne ferait plus de déficits,des surplus de 2 à 5 milliards dès la première année, même s'en rien faire pour améliorer son sort. Au point de vue linguistique il faut se battre continuellement pour ne mérité que du mépris en retour et au niveau de l'immigration les bibites commence è sortir.
      Plutôt on va se prendre en mains, mieux ce sera!"

      Oui, separez-vous au plus crisse que je vois votre navire couler!!! les rats (i.e. les boss des zunions, les zartiss pi la gang a Pauline) seront les premiers a quitter le quebec.

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    3. Did this guy just suggest that an independent Quebec would ban people leaving the "new country". Good grief, this is getting ridiculous.

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    4. I know, guys: they want to become a nation and protect a language they neither master nor are able to write, speak AND teach properly. That's called collective linguistic hysteria of a "peuple" which is not even a "peule", but the example of how genes sometimes don't talk to each other...

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    5. I aways understood "Patente" to be "gadget"
      ridiculous! Pastsgate is, closing the borders is normal for any dictatorial government.

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    6. "Pourquoi se "droit fondamental" est refusé aux patients anglophones dans les hôpitaux ? On interdit les médecins à Charles-Lemoyne de répondre aux patients an anglais. Deux poids deux mesures..."

      Et dire que j'ai voulu travailler là...

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    7. @WAC : either or. Patente is a multi-purpose word that can serve pretty much any purpose you need it to. According to wiki : Au Québec (Canada), une patente est l'équivalent dans l'usage courant d'une chose, d'un truc.

      Gadget also work, but implies that it is technological. Really anything can be a patente.

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    8. On interdit les médecins à Charles-Lemoyne de répondre aux patients an anglais.
      Karma is so gonna punish us for this one day...

      Et dire que j'ai voulu travailler là...
      En passant, restes-tu dans l'ouest indéfiniment?

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    9. "Karma is so gonna punish us for this one day..."

      And Karma forgets no one!

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    10. Je sais pas encore, étant donné que je finis ce que je fais en septembre, je ne suis pas encore sûr où je vais finir. Ça sera soit en Ontario ou au Manitoba, les positions en Alberta, Colombie-Britannique, Québec et Nouvelle-Ecosse Étant déjà comblées.

      J'espère pour Ottawa.

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    11. T'es sûr de ne pas vouloir t'installer chez nous? 'garde ben ce que t'es en train de manquer!

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    12. J'aurais bien voulu vivre à Montréal, climat politique nonobstant, mais on n'a pas voulu de moi.

      Faut dire également que j'essayais de brûler des étapes. Étant donné qu'ils se cherchaient quelqu'un pour environ 10 mois je croyais que ça réussirait, mais bof. La vie continue. :)

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  19. Mais c'est que DEUDEU (Depique) fait feu de tout bois ce soir,vous faites certainement partie d'un groupe que l'on nommera désormais "communauté culturelle" ,n'est-ce-pas?

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    1. @DEUDEU

      It is comments like that from (S)ore (R)ear that ought to be an indication you're hitting all the right notes, cause you're driving him absolutely batty. Lol

      Keep up the good work!

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    2. Non, cher S.R., j'appartiens aux individus qui, à difference de vous, ont une vraie vie et qui vivent, laissent les autres vivre, ne se sentent pas menacés par une lettre en français ou un(e) employé(e) me saluant seulement avec "bonjour" et surtout n'éprouvent pas le besoin de dire aux autres quelle langue, comment, quand et s'il faut la parler. C'est la grande différence entre moi et vous.

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    3. @anectote

      what's the sore rear joke about, mate? please explain i'd like to laugh too.

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  20. the dread

    I just want to point out something. Isn't that Ironic that the OQLF is headquatered in a British-styled building???odd???

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    1. Not so odd when you consider the separatists' obsession with making Westmount mansions their own. That comment earlier about les Cabanes pas chères à Westmount speaks volumes about where the arch-péquiste soul yearns to be.

      It's further proof that the colonized don't hate their former colonizers as much as they wish to be just like them.

      I believe adski had a few interesting references on this a few posts back.

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    2. @apparatchik

      "Not so odd when you consider the separatists' obsession with making Westmount mansions their own."

      typical bad contributor mistake: blowing up a particular case to the size of a generality. eeew that's mean spirited. or naive.

      "It's further proof that the colonized don't hate their former colonizers as much as they wish to be just like them."

      or it might just mean that a real estate market ease is not a bad thing for everyone.

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    3. typical bad contributor mistake: blowing up a particular case to the size of a generality. eeew that's mean spirited. or naive.

      Your ignorance just plays right into my hands, flunky:

      The FLQ manifesto states, and I quote:

      Nous en avons soupé, [...] d’un gouvernement de mitaines qui fait mille et une acrobaties pour charmer les millionnaires américains en les suppliant de venir investir au Québec [...] alors que nous serons toujours les serviteurs assidus et les lèche-bottes des big-shot, tant qu’il y aura des Westmount, des Town of Mount-Royal, des Hampstead, des Outremont, tous ces véritables châteaux forts de la haute finance de la rue St-Jacques et de la Wall Street, tant que nous tous, Québécois, n’aurons pas chassé par tous les moyens, y compris la dynamite et les armes, ces big-boss de l’économie et de la politique, prêts à toutes les bassesses pour mieux nous fourrer.

      Funny how once we got our own French-speaking big bosses to the top of our local economy, everything was hunky dory, and it was all about Québec sait faire...

      or it might just mean that a real estate market ease is not a bad thing for everyone.
      The comment praises active anglophone depopulation. It is the obvious demonstration that there existed half a century ago, as there sadly still exists today, a segment of French-Canadians that knows how to covet, whine, bitch, and raise hell, but still doesn't know how to make peace with its own contradictions and shortcomings.

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    4. @Apparatchik

      Next time tell him to look up his own data !! lol

      By the way loved thise: "Your ignorance just plays right into my hands, flunky", I can use it sometime? lol

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    5. @apparatchick

      "The FLQ manifesto states, and I quote..."

      dude the flq manifsto remains a very particular case. they were after a socialist independant quebec, copied on the cuba system. if you think this justifies your gross generalisation, well think again.

      "Funny how once we got our own French-speaking big bosses to the top of our local economy, everything was hunky dory, and it was all about Québec sait faire..."

      of course it was. not only did french canadians have to be great at what they were doing, they also had to swim their way through the prevailing adverse english currents. double praise as far as i'm concerned.

      and before i bust you on the westmount manors thing there, just one more extra question: do you agree that there was a period when anglo canadians exploited french canadians?

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    6. the flq manifsto remains a very particular case. they were after a socialist independant quebec, copied on the cuba system. if you think this justifies your gross generalisation, well think again.
      The FLQ's ideology, as I recall, was discredited by people who concurrently began espousing the PQ because the political party (at least officially) rejected the extreme violence espoused by the front. Still, the FLQ crisis might have been a generation behind us, but we still saw Second Cup get attacked. Do you think it's a coincidence, student, that where the FLQ bombers leave off, the SSJB picked up?

      I find it doubly hypocritical that independent civic organizations (that act more like para-governmental vigilantes than anything else) continue to first sow the seeds of hatred and then howl when things come home to roost.

      of course it was. not only did french canadians have to be great at what they were doing, they also had to swim their way through the prevailing adverse english currents. double praise as far as i'm concerned.
      Once the "white niggers" took control of the plantation, they behaved just as the "slaveowners" they had just pushed out previously had. There is nothing praiseworthy in that. And as for "prevailing adverse english currents"... it's kind of hard to feel bad for a population that is 80% French-speaking that elects a government which passes legislation to severely limit English. Doubly shameful, as far as I'm concerned.

      and before i bust you on the westmount manors thing there

      To bust me on the Westmount mansions thing, you'll have to demonstrate that covetous French-Canadians weren't enviously foaming at the mouth for the day to come when they'd finally chase away all the English and take their dominance, prestige, and Westmount mansions.

      do you agree that there was a period when anglo canadians exploited french canadians?
      20 percent anglo, 80 percent franco. Within the anglo group, let's say assume a limited percentage were actual CEOs/extremely wealthy, with the remainder forming a standard distribution that includes middle and lower class. The francos were being told by the church to have kids every year -- kids they couldn't afford -- and this would push them deeper into poverty.

      I figure the enterprising anglos reasoned they needed to build their businesses and didn't really care whose labor it was, as long as their companies were profitable. If there was exploitation, that's just the way things go.

      It was self-interest for the anglos, just as it's self interest now for the francos, who aren't the exemplary people their nationalist politicians make them out to be.

      Now we exploit cheap labor in Asia and act like little kings and queens here. Proof positive that we didn't learn a fucking thing.

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    7. dude my point is you can't use a random guy's line about his longing for a bigger house and the very particulate flq manifesto to write "...the separatists' obsession with making Westmount mansions their own".

      such an obsession doesn't exist in my humble opinion and if iot does you ar certainly not proving it by bringing up these two anecdotes. that's all.

      "Once the "white niggers" took control of the plantation, they behaved just as the "slaveowners" they had just pushed out previously had."

      well i don't think so. the english of today are doing much better thank you very much than the french back then.

      "If there was exploitation, that's just the way things go."

      thanks for acknowledging. now, in general, aren't exploitees justified to "foam at the mouth" when faced with the glaring display of the injustice? to the foamee, you'd just say well pal that's the way things go?!? sorry slave, that's how things go! that's your position? sounds heavily immoral to me, mate.

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  21. Here's one from half a world away, but which I think is bang on the money both when talking about Israel as when making the necessary transpositions to our province and its ambitions to nationhood (in all senses of the term).

    If you have about 5 minutes, I encourage you to check it out:

    - On Questioning the Jewish State

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    1. Thank you, very interesting. Surprised that the link stayed so long.

      “Far from being a natural expression of the Jewish people’s right to self-determination, it is in fact a violation of the right to self-determination of its non-Jewish (mainly Palestinian) citizens. It is a violation of a people’s right to self-determination to exclude them — whether by virtue of their ethnic membership, or for any other reason — from full political participation in the state under whose sovereignty they fall.”

      Change the word “Jewish people” to “Pasta Chasers”, sound’s like home to me

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  22. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/22/how-france-got-so-lazy.html?obref=obinsite

    Thankfully Pauline M and the PQ havn;t grown up in this kind of system. Taught to parrot the party line.

    Punished and shunned if not.

    Nothing like here. Move along now.


    """

    “It’s a culture of nul,” says Peter Gumbel, whose bestseller On Achève Bien les Écoliers (They Shoot School Kids, Don’t They?) criticized the French school system for creating a generation of bureaucrats who refuse to think out of the box. Nul, or “worthless,” is a familiar word to the French—it’s often tossed at schoolchildren who do not get their lessons right.

    The aim of French schools isn’t to impart the wonder of learning, according to Gumbel, but to learn to endure an achingly competitive system. French children are taught to parrot, not to analyze—to memorize endless passages and vomit them out. The ones who survive get filtered out to lead the government and the private sector. The ones who don’t are ridiculed shamelessly.

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    1. If Feynman is to be believed, the education system in Brazil was much of the same.

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    2. There is also a book called "Reclaiming Work" by a French social philosopher Andre Gorz, which might be a better read than Gumbel's pro-business apologetic.

      There is no meaning or pleasure to be found in the the neoliberal "competitive" economic system anymore. We have to look for it outside it. The key is not to have schools prepare us well for this cut-throat system in which even white collar professionals now have to compete for jobs with slave labor in Asia. The point of education should be to expose this economic system for what is really is, so we can smash it and create something better. (And to be sure, nationalism is not something better and by no means a solution.)

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    3. French academic leftists are a great group to look at and laugh at. They spew crap about as far away from the real world life as possible. Thankfully there are nowhere to be found in North America.

      Really tho we are seeing the result of this type of education at the Charbonneau comission.

      Bureaucrat after bureaucrat gets up and won;t take responsibility for anyhitng they did. When confronted with evidence of corruption they give us nonsense about how there is no "rule against it" as a defense against using common sense. "That's not a conflict of interest to me". Words have different meanings to all people their lawyer will say.

      If more people in Quebec started to think for themselves this would not be happening here.

      For decades all our bureaucrats have witnessed or participated in a wide scale fraud. None of them ever thought to tell the police, report it etc.

      Either the Quebec school system taught them all how to lie or it taught them nothing at all. Seems a problem either way.

      The PQ better get cracking against english tho. That's the real problem in this province.

      Amazing the population of Quebec is so easily misled. Tell the population the are under "attack from anglos" for 40 years so they can steal everything not nailed down while the population is hypnotized in the ritualized "prepare for language Armageddon" quebec plays over and over.

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  23. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYTuesday, March 12, 2013 at 7:10:00 AM EDT

    S.R. & student:

    S.V.P. soyez plus constructifs dans vosrepliques ici.
    Dois-je vous rappeler que vous etes ici afin de defendre la cause d'un quebec independant et francais?
    La facon dont vous faites intervention ici vous vous tirez dans le pied et vous apportez un credit a la cause d'un quebec francais et libre du joug federaliste.
    Ca sera difficile, sinon impossible pour vous deux, je le sais. Mais c'est votre cause dont vous avez une foi aveugle et inebranlable. Donc arretez vos niaiseries, accordez vos flutes et sur ce blog, qui est lu partout au monde, veuillez contribuez de facon adulte et mature et justifiez vos points.
    Si vous persistez dans vos vulgarites, la planete verra que le quebec n'a aucune cause:)
    S.R. et student: les deux super heros de la souverainnete et du quebec francais!!!;)

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    1. @un gars bs de calgary

      "...et vous apportez un credit a la cause d'un quebec francais et libre du joug federaliste."

      really? i wasn't expecting my contribution to have such an impact, mate. but if you write so it must be true.

      after all you've proven over and over again to be a great thinker. i mean one has to consider with care the words that come from the heart of a dude who can come up with such thoughtful philosophical gems as "Mais c'est votre cause dont vous avez une foi aveugle et inebranlable".

      thanks mate.

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    2. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYTuesday, March 12, 2013 at 8:06:00 AM EDT

      Hey mate, read below. It was a typo, mate.
      Read again mate.
      Can't you read, mate? Thank for showing your many biases, mate;)
      Need glasses mate?
      I thought eye check ups were free in quebec mate?

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    3. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYTuesday, March 12, 2013 at 8:10:00 AM EDT

      @student:

      Thanks for all your worthless replies and useless contributions to this blog, mate.
      Again thanks for making it so easy to debunk and to discredit the quebec republic concept and
      of being a great sample of what the quebecois supremacists are all about, mate: irrelevant.
      It's true. What have you done to advance the cause of an independent, french and pure quebec, mate?

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    4. @un gars bs de calgary

      "What have you done to advance the cause of an independent, french and pure quebec, mate?"

      busting your bad arguments is one thing i do.

      but what do you mean by "pure"? i am not sure what you are insinuating here, mate. sounds to me like you are impugning motives.

      because you are not trustworthy i prefer you tell me more before i respond.

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    5. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYTuesday, March 12, 2013 at 8:46:00 AM EDT

      I am not arguing with an idiot (i.e. you student) any longer.

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    6. He's paid $9.50 an hour to do this.


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    7. Thanks cebeuq. That had me keeled over laughing.

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    8. "He's paid $9.50 an hour to do this"

      Hahahahhahahahahha ...that was precious lol

      Or maybe they promised him a government job?...
      nah...even they're not that stupid...lol
      or maybe they are??
      mm

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    9. @apparatchik

      "That had me keeled over laughing."

      dude you're strange. sometimes you sound litterate and sometimes you just fit right in with anectote. you're mysterious.

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    10. @un gars bs de calgary

      "I am not arguing with (...) you student any longer."

      why can't you explain what you mean by "pure"?!? dude i respectfully don't want to respond to a question i am not sure of understanding.

      is that so offensive?!? or are so you used to random replies that you can't see respect when it's up in your face?

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    11. "why can't you explain what you mean by "pure"?!? dude i respectfully don't want to respond to a question i am not sure of understanding.

      is that so offensive?!? or are so you used to random replies that you can't see respect when it's up in your face?"

      Ok now that you said all that, show me data, lol (twit) lol

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    12. @anectote

      what data?

      by the way you still owe the world your data on montreal's "fast dwindling". or was it just another random rant?

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    13. Provide data that it won't dwindle ...asshole. Betcha that's the harder of the two. How bout you come up with that...AND...I owe...a loser like You..nothing. You take up far too much precious space on this blog, but we'll deal with that too.

      Now you make good on THAT data ..ya' hear...lolololol (twit)

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    15. @anectote

      "Provide data that it won't dwindle ...asshole."

      haha. you're so bad. such an obvious attempt on shifting the burden of proof. and an insult to top it off. haha. crap all the way.

      i sincerely hope you are learning from all this, mate. one day you'll thank me.

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    16. @ Flunky lol student

      I have learnt from you..(nothing), except your stupid 'method', of.."shifting burden of proof"...mmm...How bout 'dem pinstripes!!

      It should be illegal to be this stupid, again I must ask, How do you survive everyday carrying arround this much 'stupidity'?...also..pls provide data....hahahhahahahaha (twit)

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    17. @resident evil

      "C'mon fake Student, show us some proof for your arguments.
      Just once, force yourself to practice what you preach."

      which mine argument was lacking a stat, mate?

      by the way, do you guys realize you are complaining about me giving you opportunities to bullet proof your "reasonings"? do i really deserve your mickey mouse attacks for this?!?

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    18. @anectote

      ok you win here also, mate. when you reach five insults per comment i'm out.

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  24. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYTuesday, March 12, 2013 at 7:12:00 AM EDT

    et vous apportez un DISCREDIT a la cause d'un quebec francais et libre du joug federaliste.

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  25. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYTuesday, March 12, 2013 at 7:20:00 AM EDT

    Another potential black eye to quebec's reputation on the world's stage. Quebec city's Mayor:
    "«If it ain't broken, don't fix it!» Le maire Régis Labeaume demande au gouvernement Marois de maintenir l'exemption qui permet à près de 700 enfants de militaires de fréquenter l'école anglaise.
    «On essaye de comprendre pourquoi 700 enfants menaceraient la culture française au Québec, a lancé le maire Labeaume. Où est le problème? On est-tu obligés de se tirer dans le pied comme ça? On va faire rire de nous autres à la grandeur du réseau de l'OTAN!»
    Read more:http://www.lapresse.ca/le-soleil/actualites/societe/201303/11/01-4630019-labeaume-a-la-defense-des-enfants-de-militaires.php
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    NATO is a military alliance of over 28 countries... more good PR for quebec.

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    1. "NATO is a military alliance of over 28 countries..."

      over 28 means the number can't be lower than 29, mate. and there's 28 countries in the thing. you lied to make the number of potential quebec detractors seem bigger than it really is. eeew you're bad, un gars bs de calgary.

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      UNE GARS "over 28 means the number can't be lower than 29, mate. and there's 28 countries in the thing." Did you ever hear such drivel? This guy that calls himself student has shown at times that he has some intelligence but to me a statement like the one above proves he is only here to waste time. I wonder how much he gets paid for doing this or does really believe what he is saying? Ed

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    3. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYTuesday, March 12, 2013 at 8:42:00 AM EDT

      Yes ED indeed, why should we carry on arguing with idiots such as student?

      If you read above I pointed out to him and S.R. a few times that the world may read this blog and that they should act like grown ups here because outsiders may well conclude that quebec supremacists are all trolls, childish people that may not have hit 18 years of age yet... at least mentally. LOL.

      At the very least if all those morons have to reply to our convincing points is to check our typos, well I rest my case;)

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    4. @ugBSdc

      Nous n'avons plus rien à perdre,nous ne pouvons déscendre plus bas:Nous sommes la risée de la planète et les mâchoires impitoyables de la dérision se sont désormais refermées sur notre nation québéquistanaise.Vous serez heureux d'apprendre que le phénomène est malheureusement irréversible,c'est du moins l'avis de nos amis Newfies.

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    5. the dread

      You sound like those talibans whenever you're referring yourself to a quebequinstanais...Are you planning on setting up bombs at JOE BEEF

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      Une Gars, I don't know. Honerstly, these types are frightening. When I read their crap, their mind seems so vacuous that I think about the ragged creatures droning around with arms outstretched like the Zombies my grandson watches an a thing called 'The Walking Dead". Ed

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    7. @ S.R
      I know you are trying to be funny and respect that, but I want you to reconsider that last comment.
      I'll leave it up.....but some people are not amused about bombs and joking about it regardless of intent is not always a good idea. It's your call.

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    8. Ok,j'efface mon commentaire mais c'est "the dread" qui a écris ce mot si terrifiant.

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    9. Ehi S.R, see what people of your race do and how nasty they are:

      http://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycottons-le-Buonanotte/550259068352094?ref=nf

      Speaking French under these conditions? Never, ever, ever, ever, ever...

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    10. @DEUDEU

      I wouldn't worry about it, and actually adds more fuel to fire when it comes to THE CAUSE. In other words, they're shooting themselves in the OTHER foot! LOL
      Personally, I love it. You couldn't invent this kind of stupidity coming from these people...they're handing us more heads on a platter.

      AND I did day we should keep them squarely on the Radar...but WE don't need to do a damn thing...they're doin' all on their own...hahahahhahaha !!!!

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    11. Buenanotte vient de perdre quelques centaines de clients,tout ça pour un mensonge :(
      De toute façon c'est pas un bon resto.Je connais quelques tables françaises qui font de meilleures pâtes.

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    12. S.R says: "Nous n'avons plus rien à perdre,nous ne pouvons déscendre plus bas:Nous sommes la risée de la planète et les mâchoires impitoyables de la dérision se sont désormais refermées sur notre nation québéquistanaise."

      This is the exact self-defeating slave mentality I referred to earlier on.

      "ne pouvons déscendre plus bas"

      Speak for yourself, defeatist. While you're crashing and burning according to your own low-grade standards, I'm rising to the top. (I'm also more Quebecois than you, don't ever forget that.).

      "Nous sommes la risée de la planète"

      That part's partially true...as it applies to separatists. Who can blame the world for laughing at a bunch of half-wit honkies who chastise restaurant owners who ACTUALLY KNOW HOW TO MAKE MONEY in life over a word like pasta?

      Hard working, honest and loving members of Québécois society are taken very seriously by the world. If more separatists gave up their pathetic little KKK-inspired movement...

      ...and aspired to become more like the Marc Garneaus, Guy Lalibertés and other productive non-whining winners who ignore self-pitying individuals like you, Québec would be a powerhouse.

      But it ain't like that.

      Why, well let's take a look at the U.S.

      The social/mental equivalent of separatists in that country are kept where they belong - the margins.

      The only time you see them in the media is when they get arrested on the show COPS.

      Man, how I'd love to have a QC version of that show.

      "J'ai rien fait TABARNAK!! Lâche-moi, crisse!!"

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    13. @R.E.

      That last bit made me laugh lol

      Thank you for your words.

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    14. ... et vient d'en gagner des centaines d'autres, tout ça à cause de l'intimidation appréhendée.

      De toute façon, les séparatistes mangent de la spagattttt, forme abâtardie de spaghetti, lesquels sont consommés par le reste du monde.

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    15. @Un Gars

      Makes you wish he were our Mayor.

      http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2013/01/07/regis-labeaume-top-mayors-list.html

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    16. "lesquels sont consommés par le reste du monde."

      Pas en Asie ni en Afrique.

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    17. Les asiatiques ont créer les pâtes - pas les italiens.

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    18. Editor if I may humbly suggest, that perhaps you do a piece on Régis Labeaume sometime, the Mayor of Quebec. This is what politicians should aspire to be, in my humble opinion.

      C’est un visionnaire ce gars là. Une grande réussite, come ville aujourd’hui..la Ville de Québec,.. grandis à grands pas, avec lui comme maire.

      Pour cela…je le respecte beaucoup.

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    19. Pas d'anglos,pas d'allos (ou presque) à Québec,voilà le secret de la réussite.

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    20. I swear, with this much Hate the only answer is that you are possessed by some demonic force. Lol. Well if Cardinal Ouellet becomes ‘Pape’…maybe he could perform an exorcism for a fellow Quebecois? lol…Someone should write him about that.

      Then again, I personally think you’re a lost putrid soul that can’t be salvaged. If g-d kicks student while he’s sleeping…I’m sure he spits on you.

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    21. UN GARS, if you're keeping score, there's another one for you right there: "Pas d'anglos,pas d'allos (ou presque) à Québec,voilà le secret de la réussite."

      Hastags you all can associate with that statement when you tweet about it:

      #I'ma40yearoldvirginganditstheangloswhoareresponsible

      #IseeDeadPeople...fromlike1759andtheywontleaveuntilIvoteOUI

      #Iambougonhearmebelch

      #Jaimecalespasta

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    22. OMG...why don't we youtube his sh*t? lol You know...send it out into the Stratosphere??

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    23. @anectote

      "I swear, with this much Hate the only answer is that you are possessed..."

      and

      "If g-d kicks student while he’s sleeping…I’m sure he spits on you."

      wtf? how can you complain about other's giving you hate, mate?!? why don't you stop the spiral? and you're now calling on god to hate your neighbors? you need to be rescued, bro.

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    24. @anectote

      "why don't we youtube his sh*t?"

      just do it, mate. or are you too lazy?

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    25. ok but give me data! lol

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    26. @anectote

      ok you win. i'm folding. at that level you're unbeatable.

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    27. Yeah..I can't move this shit to Youtube until I have proof.

      Student, thank you so much for being the voice of reason we've all come to know and love you for.

      I'm with you, mate.

      I fucking hate it when guys like AnecTOTE and Apparatchik make perfect sense.

      It really is infuriating when intellectually superior individuals poke HUNDREDS of holes in the sad, useless (not to mention pathetic) movement you've dedicated your life to isn't it?

      To the AAA club (AnecTOTE, Apparatchik & Adski) stop being right all the time and pointing out reality...seppies really hate it when you do that.

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    28. >>De toute façon, les séparatistes mangent de la spagattttt, forme abâtardie de spaghetti, lesquels sont consommés par le reste du monde.
      >> Pas en Asie ni en Afrique.

      Hostie que t'es con.
      - Asie
      - Afrique

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    29. Congratulations, AnecTOTE.

      You are now SUPER AnecTOTE because you defeated the evil (and fake) "Student"

      The Justice League of Quebec salutes you.

      I had a gold medal to put around your neck, but since it was made of chocolate, I ate it.

      Sorry.

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    30. ohhhhhhh...I'm humbled lol lol

      Do I bow now or later? lol

      Okay, we've had fun, but onto something else, I think Editor has been indulgent enough...and we thank you Editor for putting up with our...mm...antics..

      But here is a letter from today The Gazette, not sure why it resonates so much? mmm

      http://www.montrealgazette.com/opinion/Letter+Advice+young+francophones+stay+Quebec/8078751/story.html

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    31. Pas d'anglos,pas d'allos (ou presque) à Québec,voilà le secret de la réussite.
      On "réussit" à faire quoi comme ça, au juste?


      To the AAA club (AnecTOTE, Apparatchik & Adski) stop being right all the time and pointing out reality...seppies really hate it when you do that.
      While it's great to be appreciated, it'd be greater to live in a Quebec where most people were as bilingual as Jean Charest, Jean-François Lisée, Anne-Marie Withenshaw, Jacques Parizeau, and Kathleen Weil.

      It's time we bury the hatchet, and the Quiet Revolution's excesses along with it.

      Next step: showing up at language protests with clearly visible signs that say Museler une langue est un EXCÈS DE ZÈLE. The phrase has nearly become a fixed expression in the French-language media, and a conversation around it needs to take place. The extreme separatists will certainly denigrate -- as their kneejerk reaction requires. But mainstream Quebecers will gradually come around to the idea that linguistic coexistence isn't toxic.

      Replace the lowercase with similar slogans -- with identical punchlines -- targeting all the hateful Francosupremacist rhetoric we've come to know and not love:
      - "de façon prédominante" est un excès de zèle
      - "101 ou 401" est un excès de zèle
      - la loi 14 est un excès de zèle
      - interdire l'anglais est un excès de zèle
      - refuser le libre choix aux parents est un excès de zèle
      - toute haine linguistique est un excès de zèle
      - imposer de force une seule langue est un excès de zèle
      ... and so on.


      It's an eloquent idea because it captures so succinctly why so many of us disagree with our existing language legislation.

      additional thoughts?

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    32. none for now but ...I'm completely blown away!

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    33. My friend Pierre Cyr., president de la CAA-QC, isn't amused... ha ha!

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    34. Apologies; I must not have caught the reference... I completely fail to see why. Is this an online or offline thing?

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  26. LD

    Someone tell me why we even have "Official" languages here?

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  27. SFPQ hand in hand with the govt that gives them the power and sets the union rules. No conflicts here.

    SFPQ delivers the votes and thanks the PQ with demanding more language restrictions.

    "public sector is already suffering from “galloping bilingualism."

    Actually the public sector is suffering from a lack of integrity and massive incompetence.

    Time to flash the shiny beads and distract PQ supporters with language narrative again.

    Don;t want them fixing the real problems.

    In 40 years the PQ can get the number of anglophone students down from 250 000 to 80 000. That's something they care about.

    Stopping corruption? 40 years later it's still rampant but Anglo's are the problem.

    Quebec gets the leaders it deserves.


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    The Syndicat de la fonction publique du Québec (SFPQ) argued Bill 14 does not go far enough in beefing up the charter, saying the public sector is already suffering from “galloping bilingualism.”

    Union president Lucie Martineau said she is aware of at least one case at Revenue Québec where an employee did not have their contract renewed because the employee did not speak English well enough.

    She said it’s now faster, in some cases, for a citizen to “Press 9 for English,” and get through to a government agent.



    Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/Bill+hearings+Linguistic+peace+threatened+C%c3%b4te+mayor+warns/8085353/story.html#ixzz2NM5dU3qL

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    1. Only in Quebec would "galloping bilingualism" be a bad thing.

      :(

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  28. Hey guys,

    I've been working my ass off all day, but I wanted to share a song I felt you all would appreciate.

    While this song won't change anything about the crushing retardation that powers the separatist movement, at least you can enjoy a small break from their inbred idiocy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSMN1ugJAos

    Every time I hear this song, I feel like trying to learn the guitar again.

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    1. Or perhaps just the chorus from the 80's hymn We're not gonna take it.

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    2. By the way, this is my Anthem song!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRfuAukYTKg

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    3. okay fine ...you win !!!...You're the last guy on the island, you're the last bachelor standing, you're the celebrity dancer with the mirrorball trophey!!!

      YOU WIN!

      (darn...I got goosebumps with that one) lol

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    4. @anectote

      are you lost, mate?

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  29. All this mess. I can fix it! Someone out there has to burn a Quebec flag, film it and put it on the Internet. Burn the stupid blue and white fleur de lits. Say I'M GONNA WRECK IT!! and then step on it and burn it!

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    1. Wreck-It Ron,

      C'mon you don't mean it please. No flag burning of anykind. ALL Flags deserve Reverence and Respect.

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    2. Really , even the confederate or Nazi Germany or Islamo Fascist flag of Iran , etc, etc,..... Respect is not given, it's earned...

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    3. I don't consider those Flags, they are rags held up by a pole. C'est tout.

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    4. @anectote

      "No flag burning of anykind" exept the kinds you don't like.

      haha! how contradictory can one be?!?

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    5. You're all missing the point. The flags represent regimes, nationalism, and ideologies. And that's true of all flags, the ones you admire and the ones you hate.

      And I remind myself that one man's heaven is another man's hell. And vice versa.

      It's funny; I'm often criticized for thinking in supra-national terms, and for seeing myself beyond being a simple citizen of my city, my province, or of my country. While I understand some of my detractors' criticisms, I still think we're more connected to each other as humans than we care to think -- and even want to be. I can run home at night to escape the world, turn off my smartphones, board up the windows, and cower under my bed; I'll still have to face that same world all over again -- later, if not sooner. And I'll have to come to terms with the fact that even what I conceive to be positive "inclusive" nationalism can also be leaving someone -- or something -- shamefully out in the cold.

      The more I contemplate both French-Canadian and English-Canadian nationalist hypocrisy here at home, the more I think I've slowly begun to appreciate Albert Einstein's famous quote: Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.

      So too are those historical flags -- testaments of past diseases.

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    6. @apparatchik

      i am surprised as well that anectote is such a nationalist.

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    7. It took me a while to realize how poisonous blind nationalism could be. That's actually why I no longer really care if my great grandchildren have a completely different language and culture from me. Loyalty to a flag (or to its underlying nationalism) can in a lot of ways be like loyalty to a brand -- you buy in (or sell out) to a company's management, product line, media releases, and changes dictated from behind the curtain.

      If our consumer culture has taught us anything, it should be that we should be judicious buyers. A propaganda-agnostic personal state is probably the ideal; of course, I doubt any human could totally accede to it.

      If AnecTOTE can realize this too and make it to some happy medium, I suppose that's a good place to start. I wish him and everybody else luck with this.

      For now, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he hasn't given this much thought... yet.

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  30. @complicated

    that's for you. about the caq and what's behind:

    http://tinyurl.com/a3ttfmr

    what do you think?

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  31. Ce fil de dicussion est bizarre...Pas encore atteint le point Godwin.

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    1. Je savais bien que ça ariverait (voir commentaire de "Land of tomatoes") ci-haut.

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  32. FROM ED
    Burning a Quebec flag would be an insult to all French Quebecers. It could become a martyr for the cause of separatism and work directly against us just as trying to shoot Marois did. Ed

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