Wednesday, September 5, 2012

Quebec Betrayed by Two Selfish Politicians

Looking at the final numbers it's plain to see that the Liberal's had a lot more strength than any of the pollsters gave them credit for, but that's generally always the case here in Quebec as the undecided usually vote massively Liberal come election day.
One pollster had the Liberals at just 25% support just three days before the election.

I daresay that with a sock puppet as leader of the party we'd be looking at a Liberal minority or majority.

There's no doubt that Jean Charest gambled with the future of this province by foolishly believing that he could pull another rabbit out of his hat.

What on Earth was he thinking?

Many blog pieces ago, I told you that Charest could not hold his riding, after all, he barely squeaked through the last two elections.

Yesterday's results showed Charest didn't lose by a little, it was over 3,000 votes, a sizable number.

Somewhere in his entourage somebody needed to deliver the bad news to the leader months ago, that as long as he stayed on, the party was doomed.

Instead of doing the honourable thing, resigning with dignity and turning the party over to somebody untainted by scandal, the Premier bet the house and farm and went 'all in' with a losing hand.

There would have remained over a year on the old mandate and a new leader as is always the case, would be met with enthusiasm by the public.

The ideal situation would have been for Charest to resign after Christmas and after a leadership convention which would have taken us into Spring, when the new Premier, fresh as a rose, could call an election that we now know would be eminently winnable.

Mr. Charest's decision was based on selfishness, I must sadly conclude.

Even those of us who voted Liberal had misgivings about Charest, there was just too much dirt and too much had stuck.

For me, the real undoing of the Liberal party was Tony Tomassi, forced to resign after being accused of handing off valuable daycare licenses to friends.
Up until then everything was containable.

But petty graft is something easy for the public to understand, like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
If the Liberals could stoop so low, there had to be graft higher above, or so the rationale.

By the way, word around the Charest entourage is that he will be leaving the political scene, sadly with his tail between his legs.
Don't feel too bad for him, he'll be collecting about a year's salary as an exit bonus and his100k plus federal pension kicks in starting June. Unfortunately, he'll have to wait until he turns sixty to collect another 100k plus pension from the Quebec government.

If there is another politician that deserves credit for the PQ victory, it is Prime Minister Harper who somehow forgot that he is Prime Minister of the whole country.
Sometimes he seemed to go out of his way to bait Quebecers with idiotic and divisive moves like adding the Queen back into the Canadian brand.
There was no call for the re-branding of the armed forces with the 'Royal' appellation and it was political suicide in Quebec.
Before all you Harperites say that the PM is just giving Quebec what it deserves, that's not what a Prime Minister is supposed to do, that is, punish those who didn't vote for him or his party.

I can say that for the first time in my life, has a Prime Minister acted in such a partisan and shameful manner, he seems to revel in his Quebec-bashing.

And yes, those who aspire to the top civil service jobs do need to speak French, just like you need an accounting or law degree in order to join the profession.
The naming of a unilingual anglophone to the post of the Auditor General was unpardonable, I don't care how many of you see it differently. (The Supreme Court is another matter)

Mr. Harper, Mr. Charest, from all Quebec federalists, we thank you from the bottom of our hearts for the betrayal.

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  1. FROM ED BROWN
    I am 100% against your diatribe against Charest. The man had everything going for him. He finally got the support he needed to start investigating corruption. He trusted Duscheneau who is actually the spoiler in this election. Between Ducheneau and Legault they destroyed any chance we had of a win.
    They may have taken votes from party Quebecois but the results don't show it that way. It was the Anglos who decided Charest was corrupt without any proof and voted CAQ. If Charest had only 50% of the votes that went to CAQ he would have had a majority. It's easy to be a Mondy morning Quarter back but let's not forget the devils that tripped the man running for the goal
    I still would vote for him again. He has walked a fine line with no support and certainly very little from the anglos who called him corrupt without any proof whatsoever. Ed

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    1. Tsk tak tsk! Ed, don't be bitter. Former Premier John James "Goldilcoks" Charest will ride into the sunset likely richer than you will ever be as he'll get a year's pay to bridge the gap between now and when he starts getting his platinum plated MP's pension next June when he turns 55 on none other than la fête nationale. Too, it will be fully indexed every year to the cost of living until he dies, and I'm sure his Mrs. will collect after that. If I owned a Strativarius, I'd play you both a tune even though my inability to fiddle would likely give you both a headache.

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    2. >>>Charest. The man had everything going for him.

      Wake up, tête carrée.

      What did he gave going for him?

      >>>>>I still would vote for him again.

      That's almost sad.

      Except that it's funny.

      And the truth is you wouldn't, really. Not if you had a real choice among a crop of actual leaders. Over Marois and inexperienced Legault? I get it. That one might vote for him again in general? Makes no sense. People are obviously tired of him and expressed clearly their fatigue with the Charest Liberal Government.

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  2. Minority, majority…blah, blah, blah…it really doesn’t matter who governs in Kebec. They all support the racist, bigoted language laws (bills 22, 178, 101…), they are all tax and spend, big government, high taxes, high debt, brain dead socialists.



    Many, many of us were hoping for a majority so another referendum would be called and you clowns would finally vote to separate. We outside Kebec (original native spelling) are not happy with the results at all because we know what the next 4 years mean. More blackmail, give us more money, more debt…more anti-English language rhetoric…the same old crap.



    We have had it with the province period. We have had it with the forced bilingual (code for French) BS while you clowns ban our language and culture. We have it with the corruption, money laundering, fraud going on in all of the province, especially government.



    The only losers in this election is Canada. Bend over Canada because this province of Kebec will just continue to milk us dry financially, ban our language (bill 101…) and PM Harper will do nothing about it, just watch.



    Remember-The liberals, NDP brought in a lot of this expensive nonsense, bilingualism ( code for forced french, only outside Quebec while Kebec bans our language and history, bills 22, 178, 101…), multiculturalism, the charter, rights this, rights that…but the Conservatives have done nothing to repeal any of this crap federally or provincially.



    “Conservatives” have allowed all of these expensive, divisive liberal polices, and departments to remain. How come? Liberal, Tory same old story. Just look at the mess Ontario (bill 8) is now in.



    We want out country back. Repeal the charter, bilingualism, multiculturalism, all the phony rights crap…give us back our real flag, our real BNA, UEL history…repeal all the crap forced upon the country by Trudeau and his gang of bigots from Kebec. After partition, just get lost Kebec!!!



    Solution, only one folks - We need a new party, a new leader willing to deal with the facts, the truth for a change. We need a real fiscally conservative, common sense leader/party…. Things need to be cut, reduced and eliminated in all government. Government is too big, intrusive, and they are accumulating too much debt, year after year after year. That’s right lets get cutting non essential services, expensive waste (bilingualism, multiculturalism, rights departments…)…the charter, CBC, all sorts of big government BS. The future is at stake here and no one is willing to deal with this, how sad, how pathetic, all of you clowns in government and mainstream media.



    "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it; he is obligated to do so."-Thomas Jefferson

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    1. >>>>We want out country back.

      I just checked. It is still here.

      >>>>Kebec

      Similar to Kanata's original spelling also

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  3. A bizarre post incoherently lashing out at Harper. What you wrote is the equivalent of an HTML bowel movement. Editor, you're usually better than this--wait until the hangover wears off and try again.

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    1. I like what the editor says, It's another theory on how you will be punished in Quebec.

      Harper has axes to grind against all of us in Canada for how we made him unwelcome in his first term.

      He wants to stick his thumbs in all our resources he has a fit when he can't show off a resource treasure to foreign Investors.

      Alberta got a bitch slap a few years back from Harper because the oil sector is "All Canada all the time" that the sector had to start behaving politely to foreign Investment and upgrade all process practices or DIE.

      Immediately after it had a reverse affect " Who you know" is still the best way to start in that field. And no one tells a small owner how to do work!!

      Harper wants to be George Bush... you know the prat who ruined the world by selling America to Corporations and sending kid's to fight a war for Oil and gas? That guy! Harper is in love with him.

      Watch what Harper will guide "lets exploit the hell out of all your resources Ottawa will send the experts you do what they say we let foreigners buy all your companies you work under theyre thumbs"

      People are not his forte' selling everything not nailed down is. If you piss him off he'll back door you using another person to shut down what you had.


      LIBS and PQs
      It's against the law for them to ignore you keep all records and contact information. Start keeping track of accomplishments

      Cozy up to your elected people demand they represent what you care about according to the laws that they are elected to represent.

      Start using these "Puppets" make them work they get paid enough and when they're working they can't be stealing. Stop waiting for them to work, give them a task list and boss the hell out of them, they'll love you for it because you'll get them noticed

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    2. wow..way outta line...harper is a pacifist...bush was a idealist..i wish harper had the balls to stand up to quebec like bush did during9/11..a leader is what canada needs.not a.puppet.who feels like he.needs to walk on.eggshells to apease a.seperatist goverment.and this coming from a guy who lives in quebec....time to put on the big boy pants..

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    3. Harper has obviously taken steps to deliberately provoke and antagonize Quebec.

      The OP's coherency is clear if one is not an anti-French anti-bilingual bigot: Harper has deliberately skipped over qualified bilingual options in order to employ qualified unilingual English choices who clearly show no interest whatsoever in French.

      Reveillez-vous, vous anglo-montréalais.

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    2. lol are you Sylvain? If NDoA's very moderate criticism of Quebec nationalism and language politics rankles you then I suggest you turn off the computer and go outside more.

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  7. Editor you are completely out to lunch on this one. First off, the PQunt was due to win one more anyway, so best to let Charest take the hit and not the new leader, especially not after Charbonneau when they could have got a majority. And despite all that mudslinging the PQunt got a razor thin minority. The new PLQ leader will come in against a PQ government that will over reach thinking they can exploit a tragedy. Legault will be the unifier who keeps the level head in all this. There will be a big shift away from PQ chaos and division by the next vote.
    As for Harper, it appears his contempt and indifference to Quebec is actually a good strategy. All this hatred for him and separation sits at 28%. It was best that he acted like he didn‘t give a damn

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  8. I have been an avid reader of your blogs and this article you blew it for me as it is completely against what I feel.

    For me, Stephen Harper has done changes which I fully support. Such as cancelling the long gun registry (which proved to be a waste of money and had so little impact on deterring crime, it needed to be killed) as well as bringing back the Royal appelation to our military to show reference to our British heritage. Without the British, we would not even be here !!

    Regardless if Quebec's politicians agree with these decisions (which especially considering their French heritage and therefore hate towards any British involvement due to them losing the war on the plains) he is making the changes. Here is a politician who is making decisions regardless of whether a bunch of separatist anti-English thugs from Quebec dislike them and standing up for Canada and its heritage. If previous Gov'ts hadn't given control of language over to the Quebec Gov't, I honestly think he would have taken a firm stand against Bill 101 and any laws which reduces English in Quebec.



    Next thing you know, the Quebec politicians will be asking for Canadian Flags to be removed from Quebec.

    The Liberals lost for a couple of simple reasons that had NOTHING to do with Harper. Their link to corruption as well as their handling of the student protest. Also, people were tired and wanted change regardless of who was in power !!

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    1. Editor, I too share much of MikeBC's opinion except for the long gun registry. Since the brainy Liberals spent over a billion on the idiotic thing, I think it was nutso of Harper to kill it considering the already sunk costs. I agree with Mike about its limited effectiveness since lawbreakers don't tend to register their weapons, but something is better than nothing, esp. since $1 billion (or more) had already been pissed against the wall.

      When you attached that beer-swilling ballistic anti-English nut bar on your Monday blog, I finally got to see the three parts of the Angryphone documentary that I never before saw on YouTube. It features Howard Galganov, Keith Henderson, Brent Tyler, Bill Johnson and surprise of surprises, former PQ cabinet minister, Richard Le Hir.

      Maybe Harper turned the other cheek, but Trudeau stuck a big, fat sabre right through the torso of the English community. He told his own constituents, primarily English speaking and Jewish, some of his most ardent supporters (though I'll NEVER be able to fathom why), where to get off when they came to him asking him to defend the minorities.

      It was within that son of a bitch Trudeau's power to veto the whole language legislation, but he didn't! Worse yet, he incorporated Bills 22, 101, etc. into the Constitution rendering it almost impossible now to do anything about it unless and until Quebec relinquishes that legislation. What are the chances of that? Tony Kondaks wrote an excellent exposé on the subject: http://www.whycanadamustend.com/about_the_author.htm for those of you who have not already read it. The whole text is available free of charge at that portal link.

      Finally, even though you asked for us not to write the obvious, I still will: Now former Premier John James "Goldilocks" Charest got exactly what he deserved for betraying the minorities at every turn just like the other Quebec politicians, which sadly includes gutless quislings like Larry Bergman, Kathleen Weil, Geoffrey Kelley and Yolande James.

      To John James "Goldilocks" Charest, and let's face it, every other politician in Quebec's present and future when their time comes: GOODBYE, GOOD LUCK AND GOOD RIDDANCE!

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    2. False premise:

      >>>>>>Here is a politician who is making decisions regardless of whether a bunch of separatist anti-English thugs from Quebec


      Actually, the OP's point is that Harper is a politician making decisions regardless of whether virtually anyone at all in Quebec, even hardcore federalists, agree with or condone.

      >>>> heritage

      The heritage of Canada is as much French as it is English (not to mention Aboriginals, who have not been permitted to contribute fully to that heritage)

      You blur the context to make it fit your

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  9. I don't blame the Editor's feeling towards these two politicians... he's entitled to his point of view. However, I disagree. I don't know enough about Charest to pass a judgement, other than to say that he used to be a Conservative, but didn't seem too Conservative when he switched to the Liberals to get some power. As per Harper, he probably doesn't represent the idea of Canada that the Editor likes, but it's an idea that, outside of Quebec, has been voted by nearly half of those who could be bothered to vote, so you might have to accept that the Editor's particular idea might not necessarily be the idea that the rest of Canada has, whether you like Harper's policies or not.

    And here comes the crux of the problem: Harper's power base does not include Quebec. If I have to believe the pundits, he's the first Prime Minister who doesn't need the Quebec vote for his majority*. From this fact, two things follow: one is that he doesn't need to pander to Quebec, the other is that he doesn't even need Quebec itself. You might not like it, but this is the situation.

    And this leads neatly into my main point: frankly, who cares? The point is not, never has been and never will be to try and keep Canada together. What the Seppies do when in power is the issue, whether they are in power in a Canadian province or in their own independent country. Bill 101 is obscene regardless of whether Quebec is independent or not, scenes like that video you posted a couple of days ago are beyond the pale and would be considered such in any civilised country, even France! I haven't got a problem if the majority of Quebeckers or Quebecois votes for independence: it's their prerogative, regardless of the financial implications. I do have a problem with the soft and not-so-soft ethnic cleansing going on against people born and raised in Quebec just because they speak a minoritarian language, I do have a problem with the government of Quebec telling immigrants which of the two communities that make Quebec they should join (or else), I do have a problem with the OQLF persecuting small businesses and with transit workers denying service to the anglophone taxpayers that pay their wages and I do have a problem with people being harrassed in the street for speaking a language that's not French. And, more importantly, I do have all of these problems as much in an independent Quebec as I do in the Canadian province of Quebec. I get the feeling, from his last post, that the Editor's feelings are more strongly stirred by the National question than by the abject misery of the current situation. I didn't expect that and I can't deny that I'm disappointed.

    I might talk about the abolition of Provinces some other time.

    *A shaky majority if you believe the polls, but I've learnt in the last few months that Canadian polls are as reliable as reading tea leaves - on that note: here in the UK there are between one and three opinion polls a day, normally with groundwork dating no longer than one or two days in advance. On threehundredandeight.com they seem to appear every three or four days with groundwork done weeks if not months in advance: the calluses of an Indian elderly would give more significant predictions, something that a seemingly modern country like Canada appears to be one step behind most other developed nations? (for the record, I'm not knocking Canada, just pointing out something that could be improved)

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  10. I usually side with you on many of your opinions, but this post is a rather bizarre one. Don't blame Stephen Harper for Quebec's issues. It doesn't matter who runs the country, or how they run it, Quebec will never be satisfied, and will always find something to complain about. Quebec has many issues that need to be solved from within; they are the province's problems to study and fix. Don't point the finger because your population decided on the PQ; turn it inwards this time. Sorry, editor, this post is way off the mark, and I'm quite surprised at you. Also, I get the feeling that the PQ will always be around, and surface now and then. Just like herpes. There's no cure for them.

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    1. I like it! Quebec should change the slogan on their licence plates from "Je me souviens" to "The herpes Province"

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  11. On a separate note, an independent Quebec would also inherit about $140bn of Canadian gross national debt, bringing the total to just under $400bn. I wonder if a struggling Quebec government would sell West Montreal and Gatineau to make ends meet? The Russians did that with Alaska, after all...

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  12. Dear Editor,

    May I humbly ask; wtf was wrong with you when you wrote this piece?
    I'm with Ed Brown, James John and a few others on this one!

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    I wish to express disappointment and sadness for the tragic event of last night and extend my most profound condolences to the family of the gentleman who was taken from us. I Guess, as always, hate breeds hate!

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  13. Editor,

    You are entitled to your opinion, but I actually hoped to find something addressing the tragedy of last night, not just the PQ minority victory, but the fact that someone picked up a gun and attempted harm against Marois (for much that I dislike her) and ended up killing a poor technician and harming others in the process..

    Really, the same way that we condemn the drunken couple that attacked the Asian, so this violence has to be labelled as unacceptable by the anglos and allos. As GensDenis points out, hate breeds hate, and I while I am sure that the feelings of this man are shared by many, we must say that it was wrong in order to stop the never-ending spiral of ever growing hatred.

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  14. Yes Editor - I find this article unfair to be Mr. Charest and Mr. Harper. 28 years of service as a politician and never, until now (rumours), has Mr. Charest been involved in any scandal. I think he did exactly what he should have done and was sorry to see him lose his seat last night. I hope, if he goes into law practice following this, that he is a good friend to the anglophone and allophone community and starts working to keep these zealots in place. That would be a good calling for him!

    As for Mr. Harper, I'm glad he doesn't suck up to Quebec - he's the first Canadian PM that may have the stones to stop giving into Quebec's outrageous demands. He's also proud of our link to the monarchy (although I don't care one way or the other) there is nothing wrong with that. All our other PMs wouldn't bend over without asking Quebec first. Right now we need him to be strong against Quebec and let's hope he is.

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    1. Hear hear, Cutie, re Harper's way of handling Quebec! He is an economist and is probably the best leader to have in office at this time. His autocratic style will somewhere along the way trip him up, but not at this time, and I hope he'll throw it at Quebec wherever Quebec tries to pull a fast one.

      On the flip side, were you out in the sun too long before you wrote your first paragraph? "...he [former politician John James "Goldilocks" Charest] is a good friend to the anglophone and allophone community...". HUH?

      YO, CUTIE003:

      Good friends don't state they won't change a comma of Bill 101;

      Good friends don't go out and hire a hard-line militant to lead an anti-English language office that aims its guns at the head of the minorites;

      Good friends don't fortify that anti-English language office with 26 more zealous gestapo agents;

      Good friends don't replace one anti-English school law with another that is really a carbon copy of the first one;

      Good friends don't ignore two significant sections of the legislation he promised not to change a comma of contain provisions that when a child has a severe learning challenge and his need for education in English IN QUEBEC, WHERE ENGLISH SCHOOLS DO EXIST, yet ends up having to go to English school the State of Delaware in the U.S.A., far from his family and causing the disruption of enjoyment of family life; furthermore, said law also makes provisions on humanitarian grounds, but no, the "good friend" turns away when his help, his influence and his leadership is needed to accommodate this child; and

      Good friends don't tolerate the government they lead to refuse service by various government departments in one of Canada's two official languages.

      Cutie 003, I think a part of your brain has been baked by the hot sun of this past summer, or you have more dead cells in your cranium than you are aware of!

      Good friend? Treasonous traitor, in my opinion!



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    2. M.Sauga et Cutie

      Pourquoi ne pas aller discuter de tout ça chez Tim autour de quelques beignets?

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    1. I did not mind being a minority Anglo in Quebec City whatsoever.

      I minded the nationalism and the separatist crap.

      It is wrong for the government to deny English CEGEPs the right to admit French students. Those students are what keeps these institutions alive. Bill 101 killed the English school system in Quebec, as many French students could no longer attend English schools.

      English people should have the right to found whatever businesses they want, whatever institutions they want, and admit whoever they want.

      THOSE are English rights.

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    2. Sorry, but if the demand is not high enough from the Anglos, so be it. Just go to Cegep in French. What is the big deal, you can still go to primary and secondary school in English.

      Anglos wanna get only English education, and than they cry out loud because to don't get job since their French is not good enough.

      Come on, time for Anglos to be mature. The majority in Quebec lives in French. Is it gonna hurt you so much to go to primary school in English, than doing 5 years of secondary school in English (you know, Pauline Marois, the one that was aimed by a crazy Anglo, has no planned to close the English school Board, and no plan to impeach Anglos to get English education), so maybe you can do your Cegep in French. If not enoough people from the Anglo community attend the state funded English Cegep, so just pay it for yourself if you really don't want to do your Cegep in French.

      In the end, the people in Quebec who are narrow minded and want to live in a ghetto, that's not the Québécois, but hte Anglos.

      The Québécois speaks a much much more English than they did 20 years ago, and a lot of them also study a 3rd language. And Anglos are mistaken to think that the separatists are the one who are unilingual. Look in the Quebec city area, where the unilingual are, and they voted CAQ and PLQ.

      You think you have them on your side, but they just don't understand. Tomorrow they might be your worst enemies the ones you think who are federalists.

      In the end, you might think that the ones who vote federalists care about staying in Canada, but they don't care. They are told and brainwashed that they would not be able to make it by themself, so they vote federalist thinking "ah, great, I'am using Canada"

      Wake up anglos.

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    3. Wake up Stephane.

      People are falling over themselves, especially francophones, to attend English CEGEPs thanks to the discriminatory laws here.

      Dawson College needs to rent extra space in order to meet the demand!

      Come on, time for Francos to be mature. Anglos have been living in Quebec for more than 250 years. Is it going to hurt you to start respecting minorities and treating them the way you wish to treated? You have resisted assimilation by creating a ghetto but expect to assimilate others. It’s absurd!

      Check your stats before saying such stupidities. Anglos are vastly more bilingual than francos. A large majority of franco-Quebecers are unilingual francophones and thus trapped to live in this ghetto.

      Again, wake up Stephane.

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    4. had gone to an English CEGEP, he might now be able to write coherently...

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    5. Hi Stephane,

      Your stats are far off. You don’t need to invent numbers, rely on hearsay or depend on what you read on some website on our age. You can go straight to Statistics Canada to get all the stats you like. For now, they date to 2006, but in late-October, we will have all the data for the 2011 census. It should be interesting and you’ll hear all kinds of spin on it come November. Don’t believe what you read though. Go verify yourself and make a sincere analysis.

      For your information:

      In 2006, 70% of those with English as their mother tongue also spoke French.

      Only 35% of those with French as a mother tongue spoke English.

      In a world where international business speaks primarily English, do you think the francophones of Quebec are well placed and prepared ?

      You can add the fact that French boys, as Jacques Parizeau told us, fail high school at almost 35-40% (I forget the exact figure, so feel free to correct me). The total failure rate in French schools is above 20%, and remember, again as Jacques told us, it is not the immigrants who are failing, it is the pure laine Francophones.

      Finally, recall that Anglos can select the language of education of their kids, without losing any future rights. My 5-year old son is currently in an English / bilingual school, but we may switch him to French. My daughter may go to French her entire education. We are still debating the issue. But, either way, they will always maintain their right to go to English school, as will their children.

      Do you feel it is fair that you, as a francophone, do not have that right ?

      The government and the laws you seem to support actually remove YOUR RIGHTS to choose. They tell you they are protecting your culture, then remove your rights. Rather than question or complain, you agree and ask for MORE LIMITATIONS ON YOUR OWN RIGHTS.

      English education begins in grade 6 in French schools. Your kids, without additional help, will not come out of school bilingual. They will be unilingual French.

      What will their options be when they enter the labor force ? They will have to pray Quebec’s economy will be creating jobs, but not just any jobs - local jobs. Why local ? Because jobs in big int’l companies need to sell to people out of Quebec, so they need bilingual people, and your kids, by going through the French system, will not be bilingual.

      But, you support these limits on your children’s future because of some blind support for protecting your culture. What will your culture look like if French kids, once adults, are disadvantaged by their school system ?

      Bill 101 should be weakened to allow french kids to choose the language of education of their children. This is not an abandonment of your culture, as I believe most people will ensure their kids maintain French as their primary language, but it will allow them to compete in the labor force, and it may help bridge the growing gap of understanding between English and French and allow a sincere mutually-beneficial exchange of cultures.

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    6. Personally I started learning English in the fifth grade and nowadays I can pass for a native English speaker (it helps that to many outside Quebec Yannick sounds like anything but a French name). It's not the end of the world to start a second language that late, though I agree that it works better to start earlier.

      The question is - why should Quebec fall over itself to teach English to its students when in the ROC the teaching of French is abysmal? Forget about starting in 5th grade - it starts in 9th, and you have to take it once or twice before you have it waived, and people still manage to complain about it.

      As for 101 - even if it was weakened, it would not necessarily allow Francophone parents to enroll their children in the minority language education system - Anglophone parents outside of Quebec do not have that right, as many Anglophone parents were surprised to learn when NB's government threatened to remove early immersion and they attempted to enroll their children in the French stream.

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    7. Stephane, the big deal is that people should be allowed to educate themselves in any way they like, and found educational institutions to satisfy any educational demand they like.

      It's called freedom.

      It doesn't hurt anyone to go to either English or French school. But it should be up to parents or adult students to make decisions about education.

      I am not narrow-minded. I did my university in French. Narrow-minded is not allowing adults to decide for themselves what education is best for them as individuals.

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    8. The question is - why should Quebec fall over itself to teach English to its students when in the ROC the teaching of French is abysmal?

      Well what is the demand?

      Should French people have to suffer because the demand for French is not as strong in the rest of Canada?

      Should English people?

      It's not about the State. The State does not "own" education. People own education. You want to go school in English? Fine. You want to go to school in French? Fine. You want to found schools in either language? Fine.

      The state should be at the service of the people, not people at the service of the state.

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    9. Ohhhh, GROAN... Methinks Stephane is a troll from the thread of reaction. There are more French schools in Ontario than English schools in Quebec. There is a greater demand for French immersion than supply.

      Anyone who has children that are capable of handling an immersion program should enrol them and keep them there. Multilingualism produces people with better functioning brains: Better at gathering and sorting information, and, best of all, using more compartments of their brains. Make no mistake, ability to communicate in more than one language is all good with nothing bad about it. No negatives.

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    10. I agree with Mr Sauga's comment on multilingualism. I learnt poor English throughout school, but finally moved to England to speak it fluently some 12 years ago. Now in Quebec still struggling to learn it, as I am getting older...

      I am so happy that my children will be trilingual from the get-go. Honestly, I am so happy that they will not have to deal with not fully understanding people around them, having to take extra lessons, etc... Yeah sure, some people do not mix with us because we are not pure wool as they say, but I'll take the chance to get my children to get to learn ANY more languages than what I can speak, and they will definitely have more open minds than many around us.

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  16. Hej alla,

    ska ni skjuter mot mig eftersom jag kan inte engleska?

    Poor u guys, I have read this site, and it is a pity how you treat the minority in Canada.

    It was all over the news in Sweden today.

    http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/analys/wolfganghansson/article15390448.ab

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    1. Markus and Andres are simply S.R and his buddies masquerading again.
      Anyone can use Google Translate and find a very minor news article on Google News.
      No genuine person who read those articles would find this blog.

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    2. jag kan inte engelska? Where's the verb? You're as swedish as I am, just less good at the language!

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  17. You REALLY think voters had the Harper rebranding of the army in mind when they were casting their ballots?

    I have some swamp land for sale...

    I think Harper won't pay Quebec any mind. He doesn't need them.

    If Quebeckers want to be rid of Bill 101 and other such language laws, they'll have to do it themselves.

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  18. Hola,

    ?Qué pasa? "Porqué los anglofonos, que forman la mayoria en Cánada, no respectan la minoría?

    Increible http://ecodiario.eleconomista.es/internacional/noticias/4228039/09/12/Sospechoso-de-mortifero-tiroteo-en-Quebec-fue-identificado-prensa.html

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    1. Markus and Andres are simply S.R and his buddies masquerading again.
      Andres can't even spell his own supposedly native language.
      No genuine person who read those articles would find this blog.

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  19. "It is wrong for the government to deny English CEGEPs the right to admit French students. Those students are what keeps these institutions alive. "

    What about the French schools and hospitals that have died in Ontario?

    If you live in Quebec, you live in French. There is no country I have srudied where the state finance high schools in another language then the majority langauge, and in Quebec French is the majority language.

    The immigrants coming to Quebec, although they officially come to Canada, should integrate in French. Otherwise, why choose Quebec? Why cant they go in Ontario, Alberta, etc ?

    If a Québécois moves to PEI, are u gonna open a French university just for him?

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    1. I have no idea what countries you studied, but your premise is false. In Ontario, British Columbia, Manitoba, etc. there are high schools in French. Other countries where "the state finance high schools in another language then the majority language" include: Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Ukraine, Netherlands, UK, Lithuania — there are probably more but these are only the ones off the top of my head.

      To answer your question regarding immigrants, perhaps they simply wish to be more fully bilingual. Is that so hard to understand?

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    2. French schools in Ontario are flourishing, not dying. There are a few French language colleges in Ontario and they too are flourishing. The fact is that Ontario is a flourishing democracy while Quebec is a fascist, backwater society--both socially and economically. It has absolutely no respect for minorities, believes in intimidating stores owned by minorities and does not believe in freedom of choice for immigrants, which is a fundamental human right. I wish you Frenchies all the best in the backwater society that you guys have created. Bye..sorry...I meant au revoir

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    3. Quebec has been bilingual for over 250 years and now you’re trying to create a new situation that has never existed before. Unlike francophones in PEI, anglophones have been an integral part of Quebec society for centuries. Honestly, you sound very dumb.

      Your so-called logic is as stupid as saying “If you live in North America, you live in English.”

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    4. @ Martin,

      "What about the French schools and hospitals that have died in Ontario?"

      Yeah right...How about naming them?

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    5. Martin travel much? In your own country!! We have all french grades and post secondary in Edmonton Alberta Uni is 100 yrs old! WHO KNEW!!! Faculty St Jean We have french stores Accountants, churches, bankers, childcare, doctors, nurses all walks of life that are Bi/tri lingual with French as one of them.

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    6. What about the French schools and hospitals that have died in Ontario?


      What is the demand? If francophones want to use French hospitals, let them. If anglos want to, let them.

      If the demand is lacking, or the need is not seen as great because people are bilingual, that might explain the situation.

      Why should the situation in any other province or country affect what goes on in Quebec? The point is: should people be free to choose their own language of instruction or not? This is what freedom is.

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    7. The immigrants coming to Quebec, although they officially come to Canada, should integrate in French. Otherwise, why choose Quebec? Why cant they go in Ontario, Alberta, etc ?

      Because certain parts of Quebec have historically been English or bilingual, and continue to be and the immigrants want to be part of those communities.

      If you want immigrants to assimilate, then French Quebeckers are responsible for providing the means for them to assimilate. Language laws do not do the job. Having enough children of French background does do the job. But French Quebeckers don't want kids. C'est la vie. You live with the consequences of your choices.

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    8. "Language laws do not do the job."

      Bientôt Suzanne,bientôt...

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    9. "What is the demand? If francophones want to use French hospitals, let them. If anglos want to, let them."

      The demand is there, the province is unwilling to provide the French services. See the Cornwall hospital protests for having the temerity of trying to hire some bilingual nurses to serve their local Francophone population.

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    10. Theyre are french school boards in every province. They are completely funded by the provinces english tax payer. Do you hear them complaining?

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    11. Yannick, this is just point scoring: would there have been such protest if the situation in the largest mostly francophone province in the country was all hunky dory?

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    12. @Suzanne : I encourage you to read the comments of this blog entry.
      http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/rachel-decoste/canada-immigration-kenney_b_1370638.html

      Some Anglos from the RoC are asking for language laws because they are concerned by a small minority of immigrants which doesn't want to learn their language. Here is what some folks are proposing :

      Quote 1 "Immigrants should be required to spend money on English language training, and attain a sufficient score, plus pass an oral interview in English, before being able to obtain any visa that grants them residency in this country beyond a limited time frame, such as 1 year"

      Quote 2 "I do not agree that immigrants should have to spea the language before being accepted but I do believe that they should not be granted citizenship unless they do and they should have to enroll in ESL courses and attend a certain amount of them before they can renew any visa"

      Quote 3 "5 to 10 years to be fluent or you lose your landed immigrant status, and you're out! I also don't believe citizenship should ever be granted without fluency in one of our official languages. This has not been the case for several decades, although it has been the law."

      People that are concerned because some immigrants can't speak to them in their own language! I thought this situation was unique to Quebec...sweet irony!

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    13. @TQP : Not sure I understand "Hunky Dory", can you reformulate?

      It's true that some of the complaints were of the nature of "why should we fall over ourselves to provide bilingual service when next-door Quebec is trying it's darndest to impede them?"

      I can respect that.

      There were also many complaints of the nature of "it's not fair that my daughter has to go work somewhere else because she can't speak French, those French people should just stop whining/move to Quebec/get their health services in English"

      Now that I don't respect. In the ROC there is often this assumption that our services are less important than a unilingual anglophone's unrestricted access to all jobs, and it's very frustrating. The other day I read a comment alleging that we "let patients die because of incompetent care" in order to have our French hospitals in New-Brunswick - just because said hospitals were out-of-bounds for a unilingual anglophone looking for work!

      I can see how you would think that it's just point-scoring, but I'm afraid that you'd be wrong in my case. The issue is very upsetting to me.

      @Anon : I have nothing to complain about the school system, it's good nowadays (even if it wasn't before).

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  20. Harper has his faults as do most politicians. With regards to his laissez-faire attitude to the Quebec election I can only assume that he either does not care or he knew that any interference from his office would be met by stiff criticism in Quebec by association. In 2008, if you recall the Harper Government gave Charest 700 Million to help his cause. They further increased equalization (invented fiscal imbalance by Duceppe) payments by 40% in favor of Quebec. And then, at the end of the day, Quebec f'ked Harper in the polls over a paltry cut of 37 million to cultural travel grants. Harper owes Quebec nothing. Politically, 88% of polled Canadians in the ROC do not want Ottawa to offer any special assignments to Quebec. Harpers power base is outside of Quebec and to commit to any special treatments to Quebec would be poltical suicide for Harper. 88% is a BIG number. Only 52% of the people in the ROC think Ottawa should try and retain Quebec as a province..26% indicate Canada would be better without Quebec and the rest don't have any opionion (read do not give a sh*t).

    As to Charest, well, his teflon suit had worn out in places. He should have come clean and called an inquiry into the construction industry long ago. He may well be corrupt (as most politicians) or not. The people of Quebec didnt vote out the liberals , they voted out Charest.

    There is no doubt that Harper has antagonized Quebec with the appointments as mentioned. Now, you think Quebec has not ,in the past several decades, not antagonized the ROC? I know of 7.4 Billion reasons in the last year alone.

    Harper is on the right track and if Quebec thinks things are going to get easier they are sh*t out of luck. Will be interesting if Marois has the audacity to challenge Harper on EI, Telecom, etc etc which she has promised to do. In one ear and out the other is what will happen. She will be surely met with a vaccum of any serious contemplation.

    I agree with the others. The Editor must be having a bad day.






    The Editor is completely off base.

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  21. As an Anglophone, primarily, I am APPALED by the amount of HATE I have been seeing these past few weeks. I`ve actually seen people say THEY ARE SAD that Pauline Marois was not assassinated tonight.

    Let me inform your West Island brain; you live in an Anglophone community, you WILL NOT be evacuated in the next few weeks. The West Island will remain as it is because Politics do not work that way.

    IT IS A MINORITY GOVERNMENT MEANING they need people to agree with them AND besides, what will really change in your little anglo world? Bigger writing in French for “CENTRE COMMERCIAL FAIRVIEW”?

    If you cared at all about the political life of your province you would see that in the past few years QUEBEC has voted more and more for progressive/leftist parties, MEANING: Social housings, women`s rights, taxation of large companies, generic (cheaper) prescription drugs and more rights for the poor. WE ARE QUEBEC. You were BORN/CHOSE TO LIVE HERE and are very lucky to live in the most progressive province in Canada.

    But guess what? Canada has not helped you in any way. Stephen Harper is a fucking asshole that will fuck you over and over again in the name of profit. Be mad at your parents and your adult selves for not choosing to learn the French language in a French province. HOW IS THIS NEW?!?! This has been a FRENCH province for YEARS. Now YOU as an ADULT will perhaps realize that in order to live somewhere where the primary language is French YOU SHOULD LEARN IT. It is a dying language in Canada and your inability to understand why francophone want to preserve it IS RACIST.

    Think of the change we can demonstrate to the world by letting go of our NEO-LIBERAL leaders. Sure I did not vote for the PQ but I am in every way a separatist because no matter how “BEAUTIFUL” Canada is, borders are imaginary and as long as one of them is willing to understand how FUCKED UP this country is, I will support its separation hoping for a LEFTIST party that will truly make an example of true human right.

    FUCK, YOU MAKE ME ASHAMED TO BE AN ANGLOPHONE IN QUEBEC.

    Lorraine North

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    1. Well Lorraine IF YOU DON'T APPRECIATE THE BEAUTY OF CANADA THAT'S FINE BUT DON'T TELL ME THAT I SHOULD APPRECIATE LIVING IN A WELFARE STATE. Progressive is the word you use but a very good Francophone friend of mine, when asked what she thought the problem is, she put it very well when she said "Canadians live to work, Quebecers work to live."

      If you are who you say you are, you would realize that you're NOT PUR LAINE AND WILL NEVER BE ACCEPTED AS ONE OF THEM. THAT'S WHAT YOU DON'T GET AND I DON'T CARE HOW PERFECT YOUR FUCKING FRENCH IS - SO THERE!

      BY THE WAY, YOU CLAIM TO BE ANGLOPHONE AND NOT A PQ BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT FOR ONE MINUTE. YOU SOUND AS RADICAL AS THE REST OF THE SEPARATISTS THAT TROLL THIS BLOG!

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    2. I am a 100% "pur laine" and my wife is 100% Anglo canadian, and we love each other. I lived in Montreal, and I know that a lot of Anglo enjoy Montreal, and would never leave. They for most of them speak French, and we live in peace.

      The paranoid anglos are often the ones raised outside Quebec province, and then they come to Montreal and would like to be the "KING". Those would face the same issues if they had to move to Spain, Italy or China. They are narrow minded, and I am happy to read Lorraine here.

      The Anglos medias in the ROC are a shame. They have all brainwashed Canadians outside Quebec.

      The only reason Quebecois want the 101 bill, is because they live in a see of Anglos. They don't have the real power over immigration, and the first thing English Canada do when immigrants come to Quebec is to brainwash them and make them feel they have better to integrate the Anglo community, they teach them to hate the Quebecois.

      I know how to make the difference between a real Anglo Montrealers and those raised like in Ontario or else in the ROC who come in Mtl and think that they are still the majority. They are the minority in Quebec, be it, it is their choice.

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    3. Martin,

      Quebec is the only province that has full jurisdiction over its immigration, to the extent that Quebec is choosing its own immigrants and the documents are processed differently. You have been badly informed.

      The only thing is that once an immigrant is accepted in Quebec, he/she is free to move wherever he/she so chooses.

      "the first thing English Canada do when immigrants come to Quebec is to brainwash them and make them feel they have better to integrate the Anglo community, they teach them to hate the Quebecois." - you are either out to lunch, or poorly informed. Quebec has, yet again, full powers over its immigrant integration.

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    4. the first thing English Canada do when immigrants come to Quebec is to brainwash them and make them feel they have better to integrate the Anglo community, they teach them to hate the Quebecois.

      When immigrants get exposed to the “welcome” we see in Monday’s viral video (and no, that is not a unique event), they don’t need any brainwashing to never want to learn or speak French ever again. They are smart enough to make their own choices.

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    5. @ Martin,

      "...the first thing English Canada do when immigrants come to Quebec is to brainwash them and make them feel they have better to integrate the Anglo community, they teach them to hate the Quebecois."

      Immigrants don't need Anglophones to teach them to hate the Quebecois. The Quebecois are tremendously effective at accomplishing that themselves.

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    6. A majority of Canadians did not vote for Harper.
      Harper won’t be around forever.
      Respire par le nez, ma chère.
      We all know you are one of S.R’s buddies trolling the blog with incendiary nonsense.

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    7. My drunken stupidity has been viewed over 222,000 times now... I'm so proud at showing the world how open and tolerant Québécois are!

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    8. You guys are nutjobs TS certified heinous nutjobs. So sick you need a doctor

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    9. Lorraine is just another one of those new breeds of apologist anglos who thinks that if she sucks up to her masters she will be accepted and honoured in a separate Quebec.

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    10. Lorraine is not anglo at all... she's one of S.R's buddies trying to get you riled up. Don't even fall for it, man!

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    11. S.R's trolling buddy was trying to be witty but is too stupid to realize Harper's wife's name is actually Laureen, not Lorraine...

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    12. In one hour, the viral video now has 228,000 views... 6,000 views/hour... woo hoo! Way to make Quebec proud!!!

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    13. Votre nazi attardé a fait le tour de la planète en une seule journée et ça roule toujours sur tous les médias,encore et encore...Son look ne vous fait pas honte,il aurait pu au moins remettre son dentier :D

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    14. Notice he wore a typical PQ blue bathrobe so he could look like you on your BS? :D

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    15. @Lorraine North : Don't listen to them. They aren't even able to respect a universal value like freedom of speech. If you don't share their point of view, you can only be wrong. Also, according to them, you might not even exist. When your opinion differs from theirs, you'll automatically be accused of being a troll or a fake account. In their dreamed world, this blog would only be a place for anglophones! No francophones! nodogsorfrancophones?

      Like I said earlier, don't listen to them. You are entitled to your opinion and you have the right to voice it. They are protesting against the "so-called" censorship of English in Quebec, however, they take pleasure at censoring "out of the box" thinking.

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  22. @Martin: Do you people not realize that the Anglophone community in Quebec is as old as the Francophone community? What is wrong with you people? The English and French community have lived side by side since Quebec was first inhabited. That's the whole point: we should have just as many rights in this Province as the French! French is the minority in Canada but the Federal Government has made the country 'BILINGUAL' FOR THE SAKE OF THE PRESERVATION OF FRENCH. WHY IS THIS NOT GOOD ENOUGH? WE ARE NOT OUT TO KILL FRENCH AS YOU PEOPLE ARE TO KILL ENGLISH IN A SMALL AREA OF OUR COUNTRY! WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE PROTECTED BY THE CANADIAN CONSTITUTION AND WE DEMAND THAT OUR CONSTITUTION BE FOLLOWED GIVING MINORITIES RIGHTS IN THIS PROVINCE. What is wrong with that? The French language is protected all over Canada and schools are provided funds to provide French language training if the number of students warrant. YOU PEOPLE ARE DELIBERATELY TRYING TO TAKE AWAY THE RIGHTS OF YOUR OWN POPULATION - wake up and smell the coffee!

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    1. "The English and French community have lived side by side since Quebec was first inhabited."

      Sorry, but not. Go back to your history book. Anglos came to Montreal, and they were British loyalists who didn't want to live in the newly USA. First, you should be ashamed of that.

      Second, as you said, Trudeau made Canada bilingual, not the Québécois. Blame Trudeau. Québécois have always wanted to be a country.

      And the ancestral Anglo rights will always be respected, even if Quebec becomes a country. Enough paranoia.

      Why are you so pround to be descendants of British loyalists? Why don't you wanna make a country with Quebec? Think about that. It is time for Anglos to realize that the federalists in Quebec also don't care about staying in Canada.

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    2. They still lived side by side without the problems that you people want to create! I'm not blaming Trudeau for anything - I understood that it was right to RESPECT THE RIGHTS OF THE FRENCH PEOPLE TO RETAIN THEIR LANGUAGE AND CULTURE.

      You've got to be joking! Anglo rights are not respected in this province - THAT'S THE PROBLEM AND WE ARE PROUD TO BE CANADIAN FEDERALISTS. We want you to have your own country - let's have a referendum in each Federal electoral district and those of you that don't want to remain in Canada can have your own little country. The sooner the better for all of us!

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    3. "First, you should be ashamed of that"

      Why so?

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    5. The people of the Republic of Ireland laugh at you, British loyalists, ORANGISTS! Thats you history. No one care about Canada anymore. Canada is a joke

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    7. "Sorry, but not. Go back to your history book. Anglos came to Montreal, and they were British loyalists who didn't want to live in the newly USA. First, you should be ashamed of that"

      Screw you. We will not be sorry for our history and will never apologize for ruining your vision of a francophone utopia. If that's the case, you should be ashamed of the French invasions of Native territories.

      "And the ancestral Anglo rights will always be respected, even if Quebec becomes a country. Enough paranoia"

      Only respecting "ancesteral rights" is just another way of eventually getting rid of their institutions. Just like francophones, anglophones and their institutions have to rely on immigration to replenish their community and institutions. However, Bill 101 prevents this and schools close. This racist pig Marois wants this to happen to the CEGEPs and she will then go after universities. These racists want everything English and non-French Quebecois destroyed and eventually become a footnote in Quebec's history.

      "Why are you so pround to be descendants of British loyalists? Why don't you wanna make a country with Quebec? Think about that. It is time for Anglos to realize that the federalists in Quebec also don't care about staying in Canada"

      Because we're Canadians, not Quebecois. It's that simple. Would French Quebeckers like to be forced into a country they don't feel part of? I don't think so! I think a good portion of francophones are proud Canadians, but it's without a doubt that anglophones have traditionally had a much stronger attachment to Canada and its institutions.

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    8. You are such a liar it's unbelievable, Martin. First of all, when anglophones came to Montreal; Quebec was not Quebec, Montreal was not Montreal. It was New France and Ville-Marie. Those loyal to the French crown were allowed to leave, those that stayed were francophones LOYAL TO THE BRITISH CROWN, FACT! ALL OF US, ANGLOPHONE OR FRANCOPHONE ARE DESCENDANTS OF BRITISH LOYALISTS. I'M PROUD TO BE A LOYALIST. I SING GOD SAVE THE QUEEN PROUDLY. I support the monarchy 100%, and while I consider myself a Liberal, I think Harper made the right call with restoring the original names of our navy and air force. If you hate the Queen, that's your problem. Most Canadians support the monarchy and would be against its abolition! There is no way in heck I'm going to believe you're married to a self-respecting Anglo-Canadian. 72 percent of Quebecers are federalists, including virtually all anglophones. You don't like it? Go move to the isle of Orleans where you can live happily without having to hear people speaking English, but leave the cities and towns we built here in Quebec out of your little dream world. We don't like the unilingual French forced upon us any more than you would like it if we forced unilingual English on you.

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    9. Most every statement he makes is so much hot air.

      No, we’re not ashamed of being loyal to one of the greatest empires the world has ever seen. It’s a tremendous legacy and we’re very proud of it.

      No, Québécois have not always wanted to make a country. Martin is confusing Québécois with being francophone and he’s also forgetting that there are, and always have been, a great number of francophones who are proudly federalist.

      No, it’s not paranoia to hear you talk about generously respecting “ancestral Anglo rights” while you do everything possible to harm and strangle our community until it dies a slow death.

      No, we don’t wanna make a country with Quebec!! Everything you have demonstrated so far shows small-minded, intolerant, xenophobic franco-supremacism. No, thank you!!! It sounds like a perfectly awful proposition.

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    10. And don't forget that most of the the same separatist francophones that you idolise so much, have ancestors that swore allegiance to the British crown in the 18th Century.

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    11. Also don't forget that he wants to throw a million francophones from outside Quebec under the bus just so he can feel good about himself in his French-only utopia.

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    12. Martin is a troll stop countering he hates Anglos and potentially could be a killer type of person we must keep ourselves safe from the nutjobs EDITOR

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    Harper’s attitude towards Quebec, which the Editor condemns him for, comes from two things: his ideological hatred of Pierre Trudeau and his sour grapes at not having been perceived as the savior of Quebec. To take the second one first: Harper the ex-Reformer did what would have been unthinkable in the glory days of Preston Manning by acknowledging Quebec as a nation in Canada, something Manning had fought tooth-and-nail against in both Meech Lake and Charlottetown Accords. This was, to my mind, Harper’s bid to succeed where Trudeau had failed, but in the other direction. The results haven’t done him any favors. The rank and file of the Conservative Party, ex-Reformers and Canadian Alliance Quebec-bashers almost to a man, are probably still not tired of saying “I told you so.” Nevertheless, it’s my belief that since Quebec failed to gratefully kiss his feet, Harper has decided that he’s going to ignore the province altogether.

    Stephen Harper’s decisions as party leader and as prime minister have been influenced by two obsessions. All politicians, particularly those who aspire to the highest office in the land, share the first of these: to win elections. The second, however, is unique to him. He is driven to undo, by hook or by crook, the achievements of one man above all others: Pierre Trudeau. The evidence of both his writings and his actions prove it. In October 2000 Harper, at that time head of the National Citizens’ Coalition, wrote a scathing obituary of Trudeau for the National Post in which his anti-Trudeau sentiments are clearly outlined:

    http://www.cai.org/bible-studies/looking-back-trudeau

    Three years before that, he gave a speech here in Montreal as vice-president of the NCC to the US Council for National Policy, reproduced here:

    http://thetyee.ca/News/2011/03/23/StephenHarpersEyes/

    Both of these pieces represent what you might call his political philosophy in no uncertain terms.

    Since becoming prime minister, he’s been busy putting these ideas into practice, trying to undo everything he hates about how the country changed during Trudeau’s years as PM. Since he’s shrewd enough to recognize that crazy doesn’t win elections, he’s avoided going after in practice what he might detest in theory. Rant about the Charter of Rights and Freedoms he might, but he’s not stupid enough to try to get rid of it.

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    Other things are ripe for reinvention, as Canadians are by and large indifferent to them (indifferent to, not supportive of). Amongst these are the monarchy and national symbols. The recent attempt to create some sort of romantic nationalist pageant out of the War of 1812 has largely fallen on deaf ears. Not surprising: while this minor skirmish has always been dear to Canada’s tiny group of genuine monarchists, the descendents of the United Empire Loyalists who’ve made a saint and not just a logo out of Laura Secord, most Canadians don’t know and don’t care.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/war-of-1812-tough-to-recognize-recall-for-canadians-survey/article4505797/

    His recent reintroduction of “Royal” into the different branches of the armed forces creates the impression that he longs to belt out “The Maple Leaf Forever” at hockey games and would prefer to salute the Red Ensign on Remembrance Day. Does he still, in his heart of hearts, consider July 1 to be Dominion Day? (The change came about due to the Canada Act of 1982, which also saw the introduction of Harper’s hated Charter. In his mind, it must be a year which will live in infamy). After seeing the embarrassing way the prime minister groveled and fawned at the feet of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge during their honeymoon visit, one can well imagine how incensed he becomes at the typical Quebec attitude toward the royal family. Montreal mayor Camillien Houde is still cherished for his remark to George VI during the royal visit in 1939. As the king and mayor went out onto the balcony of city hall to wave to the assembled crowd, Houde leaned toward the king and beamed: “You know, your majesty, some of those people are cheering for you.” Trudeau shared this attitude, not surprising coming from someone with both French-Canadian and Scottish roots. The very thought of his bête noire sliding down a banister in London during the 1969 Commonwealth Conference, or pirouetting behind the departing Queen at a state dinner doubtless still gets Harper foaming at the mouth. As the Editor says, this fawning over the monarchy doesn’t go over well in Quebec, but I’m quite sure that’s intentional. It’s Harper’s FU to both Trudeau’s ghost and to Quebec, which declined to give him, even after he’d recognized its nationhood, what Trudeau failed to get: the signature on the Constitution.

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    1. Excellent piece, CiM.

      Personally I'm a republican mostly because of the problem of the office of the govornor general which is at the moment an extension of the Prime Minister because it is not directly elected.

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    2. Hors propos mais...

      Yannick,tu devrais jeter un coup d'oeil sur ce texte que Zachary Richard a posté ce matin.

      https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151107954131832&set=a.42506606831.51129.626426831&type=1&theater

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    3. Je l'ai lu, merci.

      C'est assez vrai en ce qui concerne Moncton - tellement peur de "déranger" que les Acadiens se parlent en anglais sans le savoir.

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    4. Interesting that among the commenters on the Zachary Richard FB post is convicted FLQ terrorist Pierre Schneider who denounces "le terrorisme linguistique des medias anglophones qui attisent la haine"

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    5. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Schneider I mean really, how ridiculous can you get?

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    6. How long has it been now that S.R has been telling readers of this blog “réveillez-vous”?
      How do we know last night’s nutjob didn’t read our nutjob S.R’s exhortations?
      One nutjob encouraging another… it wouldn’t be the first time.

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    7. Pourtant, il arrive depuis longtemps que les anglo-Québécois, tellement peur de « déranger », en entrant dans un ascenseur ou en rencontrant quelqu’un dans la rue, ont un moment d’hésitation. S’il s’agit de s’adresser à un inconnu, on parle en français et on dit « Bonjour » sans accent, créant délibérément une ambiguïté linguistique et donc culturelle. Pourquoi ceci serait considéré plus acceptable avec la minorité linguistique de Montréal qu'avec celle de Moncton ?

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    8. Marios warned us these nutjobs like these PQ's are out there being violent against democracy

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    9. @Double Standard : Difference of magnitude perhaps? Montreal is much more English in practice than Moncton is French, despite the fact that Moncton has a 30% Francophone minority.

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    10. @Yannick: Rights are rights are rights... do you believe in principles or not?

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    11. @Yannick: In addition, your suggestion implies that it is even MORE wrong to do it in Montreal than in Moncton.

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    12. What does this have to do with rights? There are no laws against greeting someone in the street with a hello or a bonjour, either in Moncton or in Montreal.

      And what I am suggesting is that while it happens in Montreal, I doubt the practice is as commonplace as in Moncton.

      I remember once as a child, I bumped into a lady and I instinctively said "excuse me". It didn't even occur to me to say it in French, even though there were one against two odds of it being the case! As it turned out the lady was a francophone, but I had internalized so much that "normal people are English" that it was inconceiveable to me to appologize in French.

      After that incident I started being more proactive about using my language to greet strangers; I figured that anglophones would not get offended by a bonjour and would reply with a hello while a francophone would reply with a bonjour; if I used a hello the answer would always be a hello.

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    13. Calgarian: Interesting hypothesis. You're convinced Harper has a visceral hatred for Trudeau, and when it's all said and done, so do I. Trudeau gave the F U and a finger to his own constituents in Mount Royal, where he ruled for 16 years, when they asked him for language protection, and pathetically his own constituents were stupid enough to keep voting for him. His son is proving to be just as cocky a bastard that his father was, but that's for another argument.

      Simply put, if you feel Harper's obsession is to undo and top Trudeau, GREAT! I'm positively delighted he's doing all this in the name of de-Trudeauization. That arrogant SOB nearly bankrupted us with one $30-odd billion deficit after another back in the 80s! He worded the Constitution in such a way the only way Quebec will be a two-language state is if Quebec legislates that itself.

      But Calgarian, there was yet another prime minister before Harper who too wanted to top Trudeau. His name is Brian Mulroney. You don't remember the Meech Lake Accord? You don't remember Mulroney's aspirations to top his predecessor Trudeau by bringing Quebec into signing the Constitution, but failed. Remember how Mulroney went ballistic ape-shit on [former Newfoundland premier] Clyde Wells when he reversed ratification of the Meech Lake Accord after Wells' predecessor ratified the Accord? Interestingly, it was another Harper [namely MLA Elijah Harper in the Manitoba legislature] who was equally responsible for bringing down Meech by not giving the legislature unanimous consent, yet Mulroney didn't dare take it out on a native Indian on pain of serious consequence, especially when the Oka crisis was still fresh on the minds of the First Nations. Wells became Mulroney's scapegoat and I'm sure Wells to this day couldn't give a flying f**k about Mulroney's disappointment.

      I hope Harper will stick it to Marois at every turn every step of the way. After what my immigrant family did for their Eastern Township community after coming to Canada with a few suitcases and little else, Quebec deserves every kick in the gonads and every slap in the face Harper throws at Quebec. If Quebec threatens to leave, I say goodbye, good luck and good riddance. Ungrateful bastards!

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    14. @Yannick: cool story, bro! Given that Montreal is orders of magnitude larger than Moncton, however, I’m afraid you’re mistaken about how commonplace this is.

      Similarly with you, thanks to the discriminatory language laws that you were never subject to, I too am now more proactive about using English as much as possible in greeting strangers, figuring that francophones would not get offended by a hello while anglophones would reply with a hello (unless, that is, one runs into the “Parlez blanc” monster such as in the viral video).

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    15. @Double Standard : If you want to turn this out a "contest". I can tell you that Francophones are used to address people from visible minorities in English. Often we are "wrong", those people speak French and they want to be address in French.

      Also, I don't see why you are turning this into an issue. If it really bothers you, just drop the Bonjour, I don't think that anyone will get mad at you.

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  25. Your last two referendums would not have been defeated if all Francophones felt as you do. In the area where I live, the French are the ones to say they're "Canadian First, Quebecers after" so don't lump all the Francophones in with your philosophy. THEY DON'T ALL FEEL THE WAY YOU DO. If they did, there would be a lot of them that would move back to this province but don't feel this is their home. They remain in Ontario and move out west and feel that those places are their home, not Quebec any longer. They don't want the problems and conflict that you people continuously cause EVERYONE with your backward thinking, your welfare state reliance and your continual demands on the rest of the country! Let's clean up our own debts and start contributing to the good of the province and the country instead of taxing everyone to death.

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  26. @Loraine North and Martin and the Editor

    Two thumbs up for your comments. Even you Editor. I'm glad to see that you are lucid enough to have balanced opinions and have the guts to communicate your ''controversial'' opinions. Do you notice how you're suddenly getting all this crap from the usual one track mind suspects. Yes Harper is provoking Québec (even if indirectly) with all his non-sense. The renaming of the air force to the Royal Air Force, the removing of paintings, putting the queen's face everywhere, spending millions on the royal wedding and celebrating the war of 1812 .....Are you fuckign kidding me !?!?! I'm not saying those ideas were strictly thought up to annoy Québec but I am saying that the ideas were completly retarded and unnecessary.

    This PM is wise enough to know that these brain farts woudl annoy Québec tremendously and there was abosolutely no need to go down that road. How are any of those measures helping the economy ? Isnt that his priority ?

    To Cutie003: we want a country because we want to protect our culture and our dyign language. Even though the english might not want to, the sheer size og them, of the ROC and the US make it enavitable that our culture will drown. Having our country is a way to protect that distinct identity. You will still be bale to live here just the same you have been forever. That will not change. Show a bit of empathy for our culture.

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    1. I love the HRH with all your heart and soul without the queen you wouldn't have a right to do anything you'd be a peasant with an overlord.

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    2. OMG - I can't "live here forever" in peace with the continuous taking away of my rights and freedoms! That's what you people don't (or refuse) to understand. Your rights are protected and I want the same rights. You can speak Chinese if you like, I don't care, but YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL ME WHAT LANGUAGE TO SPEAK! If I greet someone when walking my dog, I do not expect to have that person tell me that I have to say Bonjour and not Hi. If you don't want to talk to me THAT'S YOUR RIGHT. I HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK IN WHATEVER LANGUAGE I CHOSE - YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPLY. SIMPLE!

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    3. @Cutie003

      You also have the right not to type in capital letters all the time.

      No one, and when I say ''no one'', I mean the system, or the government, will ever tell you you which language to speak. That's just crazy paranoia talk. If some random people in the streets tells you to speak french, or chinese, well, I'm sorry, but that's their right. They can ask you to speak martian if they want to. But, the government, even an evil PQ government, will never tell you which language to speak and will never make english an illegal language. So stop, for the love of god, repeating yourself.

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    4. @Cutie003

      Do you think it wa a smart move for the PM to waste millions on royal fmaily propaganda ? Dont you think he knew, or shoudl have known, that it would be a major turnoff for Québec to go ahead with thos crazy ideas. And dont you think, as the editor pointed out, that it was completely unnecessary ? The editor made a good point and you should recognize it .

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    5. "You also have the right not to type in capital letters all the time"

      Cutie semble avoir le piton collé.

      Je crois qu'elle ignore que les textes en lettres capitales sont un "turn off" pour plusieurs.
      Personnellement je ne les lis même pas.

      "The editor made a good point and you should recognize it."

      Tout à fait d'accord avec Editor sur ce point et nous sommes plusieurs à l'appuyer,j'en suis certain.

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    6. "That's just crazy paranoia talk. If some random people in the streets tells you to speak french, or chinese, well, I'm sorry, but that's their right. They can ask you to speak martian if they want to. But, the government, even an evil PQ government, will never tell you which language to speak and will never make english an illegal language."

      They never will for 2 reasons: it's unenforceable, and it would generate a lot of bad publicity internationally. Not because they don't want to. If it was feasible and could be hidden, they would.

      So they proceed with plan B: get the population to do the dirty work. By getting francophones to "protect their language" by encouraging behavior such as the one on the video (I doubt the angry guy, after getting into a taxi, thought that he did anything wrong). The PQ (and its offshoots like the SSJB, MMF, IF) often encourage francophones to pay attention to when English is spoken, and then be proactive in taking up the "issue" with the "offenders". And it is sold as follows: "you can't expect the govt to do everything for you, you as a citizen have a job to do as well".

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  27. we want a country because we want to protect our culture and our dyign language.

    1. Your language is not dying.
    2. No one ever tries to explain how Quebec as a country would protect culture any more than it already does now as a province (other than stomping on English even more than before).

    Show a bit of empathy for our culture.

    When are you going to start showing a bit of empathy for anglo-Quebec culture?
    You have already erased it from public life and are doing everything possible to strangle it so it dies a slow death.

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    1. Lo siento amigo mais la culture et la langue française est en constant recul sur l'île de Montréal. Et si la capitale économique de la province devient anglaise ça ne sera quMune question de temps avant que le reste du Québec soit affecté.

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    2. Stop it with your gibberish and follow the Editor's rules if you wish to be taken seriously.

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    3. How cute! Someone that is constantly changing his username is telling us to follow the "Editor's rules". How many names have you used in this blog entry alone? 50? And we are supposed to take you seriously?

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  28. FROM ED BROWN
    I remind Francophones that the French were defeated at the Plaines of Abraham and it became an English country. It was Queen Victoria who gave the French rights to their own language and religion. When France was offered a choice between Quebec and St. Miquelon France said Quebec is nothing and took the Islands instead.
    Those who speak of government funded universities for the English know nothing. It was rich Anglos that built them and still help to maintain. McGill does not bear the name of Hames McGill without good reason. The Anglos who are 20% pay 40% of the taxes, including schools. Don't pay attention to the seppies who are now trying to make the PQ win look like a landslide. Ed



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    1. It was actually Guadeloupe and Martinique that the French exchanged against Canada, not St-Pierre & Miquelon.

      In French Canada, there were no rich people to build us universities, there was only the Church - and when the education system secularized, most of these didn't end up getting public money. It took until the 1970's and electing one of our own in New Brunswick before a French university was finally founded. Pathetic, really.

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    2. Mr Brown,

      Yes, the british defeated the french on the Plaines of Abraham two and a half centuries ago. Yet, we are now the political, economical, sociological, demographical and linguistic majority on this territory. And there you are, mighty conquerer, crying over how badly you are treated by the people that you conquered.

      Queen Victoria has been very generous to us. Her generosity had nothing to do with the growing discontent in the american colonies and the bristish's fear to loose their last redoubt in North American. We know how generous the british crown could be, ask the acadians.

      Of course, english built universities. Everywhere institutions were built by the elite and the elite was english. The elite was english because, at the Conquest, the french elite was replaced by an english elite. Yes, colionalists built institutions in the province of Québec and later in lower Canada, same thing in South Africa, in Congo, in India, in Vietnam, in Rodhesia. And everywhere, des colonialistes pleins de marde are offended by the ungratefulness of the conquered.



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    3. "...des colonialistes pleins de marde are offended by the ungratefulness of the conquered."

      J'adore cette phrase,je sais pas pourquoi mais je l'adore :D

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    4. He has previously claimed being rather adept at writing in English yet he writes like a junior high school student... possibly a senior elementary school student.

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    5. Making fun of someone's language is the poorest form of rebuttal.

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    6. Patrice making a living, paying your own way and having education no matter how far you have to walk to get there is a worldwide concept. What lies have you grown up with, that have you expecting all these items for no effort and then having a tantrum when they dropped on your lap is absurd WORLDWIDE.

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  29. Wow this one troll J Trembley has alot of time on his hands

    Welfare aka bien etre sociale, must be paying good if it can let one take the time to go to google translate to make new troll accounts in other languages.

    Anyway I wonder if the hype about the CAQ may have caused many to unnecessarily vote for the CAQ instead of the Liberals. Also it looks like there was probably a very high minority turnout. The liberals did quite well for all the francophone media opinion against them. The PQ screwed up, this is election was theirs for the taking.

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    1. Even after a Maple Spring with all their pots and pans, even with a corruption scandal looming, even after the denial of anglo voters who were not on the voters’ list (federal elections being much more flexible about not disenfranchising voters)… all the PQ could manage was eking out 0.7% more than the Liberals. When will they get the hint that pandering to ethnic nationalism is a dead end?

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    2. @Jarry Steet Hoe

      I do speak three languages fluently but I did not post the swedish and the spanish posts you are referring to. Nice try though. I am not on welfare either. And, It's spelled ''bien être social'' asswipe.

      LA PLUIE DE VOS INSULTES N'ATTEINT PAS LE PARAPLUIE DE MON INDIFFÉRENCE !

      You nitwits aboslutely cannot seem to understand that an educated and trilingual person could possibly vote PQ because you refuse to se reality the way it is. Lots of smart people vote PQ not just the joe louis eating and pepsi drinking Bougons you like to think all Québécois are.

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    3. @J trembley

      So its just coincidence that when you post with a generic J Trembley all these other trolls show up. You would know how to spell bien etre sociale after all your on it, lazy drunk.

      "
      You nitwits aboslutely cannot seem to understand that an educated and trilingual person could possibly vote PQ because you refuse to se reality the way it is."

      Of course I can especially the ones that go to UQAM, are you also an artist as well?

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    4. C'est une déplaisante habitude chez ces anglos-paranos d'almalgamer et de caser les auteurs de commentaires sur ce bloye.

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    5. C'est vrai. J'ai parfois été accusé d'être Michel Patrice par exemple. Ils ne semblent pas pouvoir concevoir que plusieurs francophones du mêmes avis peuvent exister sans être la même personne.

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    6. Jarry Steet Hoe...MDR!

      J'aime bien ta créativité J.T,je crois bien que je vais aussi l'utiliser...Tu permets?

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    7. "...all the PQ could manage was eking out 0.7% more than the Liberals."

      Mais comme le chantait si bien Freddy :...We are the champions...We are the champions...My friennnds..We are...

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    8. @S.R.

      J Trembley AKA lorraine north are calls other hoes. I would actually be more like a pimp, the hoe would be what he likes to call his "girlfriend".

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    9. Jarry,je crois que vous perdez le North ( :) )

      Cette lettre fait le tour des médias sociaux et elle provient du site Urbania.

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    10. You're discrediting yourself when you can't tell the difference between spotting obvious blog trolls and people who mistake you for MP.

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    11. You're such a nitwit that you can't seem to understand that if only you made an interesting comment, you might receive an interesting reply. ;-)

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    12. Lorraine North (right above my comment) made an interesting one...Check the kind of replies she got...

      Also, I don't think a blatant troll has any credibility when he makes a judgement on the value of a comment.

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  30. As an Anglophone, primarily, I am APPALED by the amount of HATE I have been seeing these past few weeks. I`ve actually seen people say THEY ARE SAD that Pauline Marois was not assassinated tonight.

    Let me inform your West Island brain; you live in an Anglophone community, you WILL NOT be evacuated in the next few weeks. The West Island will remain as it is because Politics do not work that way.

    IT IS A MINORITY GOVERNMENT MEANING they need people to agree with them AND besides, what will really change in your little anglo world? Bigger writing in French for “CENTRE COMMERCIAL FAIRVIEW”?

    If you cared at all about the political life of your province you would see that in the past few years QUEBEC has voted more and more for progressive/leftist parties, MEANING: Social housings, women`s rights, taxation of large companies, generic (cheaper) prescription drugs and more rights for the poor. WE ARE QUEBEC. You were BORN/CHOSE TO LIVE HERE and are very lucky to live in the most progressive province in Canada.

    But guess what? Canada has not helped you in any way. Stephen Harper is a fucking asshole that will fuck you over and over again in the name of profit. Be mad at your parents and your adult selves for not choosing to learn the French language in a French province. HOW IS THIS NEW?!?! This has been a FRENCH province for YEARS. Now YOU as an ADULT will perhaps realize that in order to live somewhere where the primary language is French YOU SHOULD LEARN IT. It is a dying language in Canada and your inability to understand why francophone want to preserve it IS RACIST.

    Think of the change we can demonstrate to the world by letting go of our NEO-LIBERAL leaders. Sure I did not vote for the PQ but I am in every way a separatist because no matter how “BEAUTIFUL” Canada is, borders are imaginary and as long as one of them is willing to understand how FUCKED UP this country is, I will support its separation hoping for a LEFTIST party that will truly make an example of true human right.

    FUCK, YOU MAKE ME ASHAMED TO BE AN ANGLOPHONE IN QUEBEC.

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    1. A majority of Canadians did not vote for Harper.
      Harper won’t be around forever.
      Respire par le nez, ma chère.
      We all know you are one of S.R’s buddies trolling the blog with incendiary nonsense.

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    2. Another Troll nutjar that could potential be a person who could assault a NON PQ in a Violent manner Marios warned us about the mentals

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    3. Lorraine sweetheart,

      you must have been a fervent supporter of QS (fyi y'all, you can't say Quebec Solitaire anymore... damn). And just so you know, in case you have lived in a hole for the paste 30 years, extreme socialism is a failed experiment, m'kay? Read some books.

      "It is a dying language in Canada and your inability to understand why francophone want to preserve it IS RACIST." - nobody disputes that. The issue comes when it's done at the expense of other languages, customs and heritages.

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    4. "Stephen Harper is a fucking asshole that will fuck you over and over again in the name of profit."

      Stephen ne peut pas avoir tort sur toute la ligne,je le trouve même parfois sympathique.

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    5. Boy is she a nut - Another SR troll? She just doesn't understand that we are FIGHTING FOR OUR RIGHT TO SPEAK WHATEVER DAMN LANGUAGE WE WANT TO - I understand that the French want to keep their French but I HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK CHINESE IF I WANT - Do you get it LORRAINE - JR, JOSEE Whatever. I will repeat for those new to the Blog - LET'S HAVE A REFERENDUM IN ALL 57 FEDERAL ELECTORAL DISTRICTS AND THOSE THAT VOTE TO REMAIN IN CANADA DO SO AND THE REST OF YOU PLEASE PLEASE GO AND LEAVE US IN PEACE. MAKE SURE THE QUESTION IS CLEAR, THE PERCENTAGE TO WIN IS CLEAR AND PLEASE GO - THE FASTER THE BETTER! I'VE HAD IT UP THE EYEBALLS WITH YOUR STUPID ARGUMENTS THAT MAKE NO SENSE TO ANYONE BUT YOURSELVES!

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    6. By the way, she made one pertinent point that all separatists should note: "borders are imaginary" - I like that - it goes to prove my above point - SEPPES - ASK YOUR ESTEEMED LEADER TO HAVE THOSE REFERENDUMS NOW PLEASE - WE WHO VOTE TO STAY - STAY - THOSE OF YOU WHO WANT TO GO - GO - DO IT DEMOCRATICALLY AND WE WILL ALL WIN! I want to get back to a normal life IN CANADA AND NOT HAVE THE ADDED STRESS OF YOU PEOPLE - I SHOULD (AND DO) HAVE BETTER THINGS TO THINK ABOUT THAN CRAZY, BIGOTED LANGUAGE LAWS, THE VALUE OF MY HOME GOING TO NIL AND STUDENTS THAT WANT TO REMAIN IN SCHOOL FOREVER AT MY EXPENSE. GOD - GET A LIFE! I want to get back to things like health care, remodeling my home, maybe think about a tax reduction when you guys leave and perhaps a new car - you know, NORMAL THINGS THAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT!

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  31. Lorraine go check yourself...you have some serious problems. Drop you marxist convictions elsewhere...

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      and the four lwtter word. They only show how unedycated you are. Ed

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  32. FROM ED BROWN
    Yannick, You're right. The French had no interest in education. They were waiting for the Church to build something and the Church heirarchy didn't want them educated. They wanted them to have more childrten (subjects) who did as they were told.
    There was an incident once in Ottawa where a member asked why the page boys (at that time) were all French. It was explained that the English boys of that age were all in school. The French boys usually dropped out in first year high so they were available. The boys were mostly from across the river in Quebec. Ed

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    1. Pas nécessaire de signer vos bafouille ED,on les reconnait par l'odeur fétide de votre racisme.

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    2. Isn't it interesting how francos still don't want to own up to their own history?

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    3. You are funny dude...it makes me wonder how come you are free to roam the streets. SR ... oh,god...

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    4. Si on laisse déambuler librement un anglouille attardé avec un AK-47...Pourquoi pas moi?
      :p

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    5. I hope that nutjob wasn't a result of listening to S.R's advice! ;-)

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    6. And I'm telling you that this is not strictly true - for instance my grandfather had to join a religious order to get a high school education because there was no high school where he lived. He then got a university education at the Collège St-Joseph (also founded by the Church). He got educated because of the church, not in spite of it as you seem to imply.

      The English majority of New-Brunswick was in no hurry to build us high schools like they had built themselves, and did not provide us with French books until we elected one of our own as Premier. They were, however, in a hurry to deny our schools public funding because they were catholic (the only reason they had been built in the first place of course). See the School Crisis of 1874.

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  33. Does Marois even know what comes out of her mouth?

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151069484549895&set=p.10151069484549895&type=1&ref=nf

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    1. One needs a sense of humour and some wit to understand irony. She lacks both.

      BTW, not sure if anyone has followed her discourse, but when returning to the podium to finish her speech, she ended it by calling for people to be calm AND pointing out that this is what a woman leader would do. FOr me that was a wtf moment... Was she implying that a man would create chaos?

      And before I get labeled as chauvinist misogynistic pig, take note that I am a woman, so you can adjust your insults accordingly.

      Moreover, in an earlier post SR was justifying PQ's very slim support by the fact that she is a woman and people chose not to vote for PQ because of her gender, I can attest that there were plenty of women who voted PQ instead of CAQ BECAUSE she was a woman.

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  34. I can understand your frustration regarding the election and the role Jean Charest played in it. I can understand your perception that the Prime Minister is insensitive to the Quebec situation.

    I am not sure if the idea that that the Prime Minister is deliberately baiting is totally accurate. He learned functional French. He recognized the unique elements of the Quebec situation. Your saying that the Royal appellation was a deliberate provocation. Perhaps but what can any of us say outside the Province that is respected or viewed as being of value?

    Northern Ireland, Israel, South Africa, and Quebec seem to me to be similar they have or had just enough critical mass demographically along with some sort of subsidy to have a culture that could stay intact in the face of external pressures. Today only Quebec and Israel haven't had to modify their efforts to maintain the status quo. Of the two I would bet Israel will still have a sponsor but will Quebec be able to carry on as it is given its reliance on its sponsor?

    Given the international economic situation I hope we can all figure out how to work together because Canada is a beautiful country and Quebec is a beautiful part of it.

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    1. The problem, Joseph Spencer, is that many Francophones are still living in a fantasy world. Quebec has no money to separate, has a huge provincial and federal debt (btw, by living the confederation Quebec will have to pay back its debt...how? with Bill 101? by conjugating some irregular French verbs 'au passé simple' to impress the audience and leave debt-free?), not to talk about its overspending mentality...
      Nobody talks about that. They want to build the house from the roof (French, Bill 101, McGill français, Concordia français, West Island français) without the foundations (economic plan). The problem is that they have NO economic plans at all...

      WA

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  35. FROM ED BROWN
    Yannick, WShat the hell are you going on about? We're in Quebec, not New Brunswick. Half the time I don't know if you're talking about QC. or N.B. Ed

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  36. Editor,

    This last post is quite dramatic, bordering on fatalistic. You have all up in arms that the PQ has won. You are like my friends who feel it is all doom and gloom for the next 4-5 years. We all know that this PQ minority government is doesn't have a leg to stand on and will be gone next year via another election or a coalition government. Sit tight, and you'll see that nothing will change in the next few months.

    As for Harper, if there is anyone not named P.E. Trudeau, who can smash these seppies into pieces; it's Harper with his tough love.

    Also, thumbs down to your Royal comment, as it reeks of a Quebeccentric point of view. The Royal tag was (most likely) very important to the ROC and to withhold it because of a group of inconsiderate cunts is insulting to the ROC.

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    1. @actually most of the rest of Canada really doesn't care about the royal title. Even outside Quebec there are many that are against or indifferent to the monarchy

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  37. Hmmmm...M.Legault semble vouloir tisser des liens avec notre nouvelle première ministre...Des atomes crochus?

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    1. yes...sure...and in three months he will declare The White Francophone Free Republic of Quebec...with a $122.4-billion debt...ahahahahahahahahahah

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    2. you said right...YOUR prime minister (Francos), but not OURS (proud Canadians)

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  38. I thinking that the Libs should push for a young face and charismatic new lider. What about Justin Trudeau? He could be the guy who should help the Libs revive their party in Quebec.

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    1. I like Japanese fruit drinks too.

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  39. Malheureusement pour vous Justin semble de plus en plus du coté des Seppies face aux politiques du gouvernement Harper.

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    1. Well, he is in opposition regarding the Harper gov. So yes, it would be strange to support Harper, n'est-ce pas?
      As for him resembling seppies ... you wish ! He's smarter than that.

      Your willing for separatism doesn't stand in the fact that Harper rules. It stands in the fact that you are unrealistic regarding Quebec's future as an independent country. For you it doesn't matter what federalist runs as PM of Canada, so quit the BS.

      We've seen on 4th september what quebekers think about separatism. A bunch of tralala artists with a red square cannnot dictate what Quebec will do, so do you a favour and start another hobby because being a seppie is outdated :)

      To all, sorry for feeding troll-rat.

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    2. @Santori - Sometimes he pees us all off so every now and then we feed him - understandable. Not to worry.

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    3. Attendons la suite avec l'éventuelle vague orange ;)

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    4. "Well, he is in opposition regarding the Harper gov. So yes, it would be strange to support Harper, n'est-ce pas?"

      Mais de là à dire qu'il n'hésiterais pas une seconde à cocher OUI au prochain référendum,il y a une marge,vous en conviendrez...N'est-ce pas

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    5. Yes, but don't forget that Uncle Tom is also federalist. Sherbrooke Declaration was just a strategy to prepare the NDP sweeping the Bloc in Quebec. Don't be fooled by that.

      It's known that Harper fears the Libs more than the NDP. So it should be convenient for Harper to "support" the federalist NDP from taking over Quebec.

      As someone said before, the PQ support is geriatric and disconnected from Quebec reality.

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    6. Cutie,vous ne participez pas au grand concours de tartes annuel "outaouain" aujourd'hui?Vous courez la chance de gagner 5 kilos de bacon et une passe à vie chez Tim Horton.Imaginez :Des beignets pour le reste de votre vie sans débourser un sou!

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    7. The best example of a brainless rat ... the best attitude to achieve independence ! ROFLMAO !

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    8. "As someone said before, the PQ support is geriatric and disconnected from Quebec reality."

      Ce sont les étudiants de Sherbrooke qui ont fait déraper la Charette.

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    9. Oui, S.R, on en parle lorsqu'on discutera le budget...On va rire !!!

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    10. "Ce sont les étudiants de Sherbrooke qui ont fait déraper la Charette."

      As I said, geriatric. The students that support free education and no responsibility have the mentality of old separatists. They did manage to get rid of Charest is some ways, but they will never pursue the rest of quebekers to vote YES.

      Your mentality: buy a Porsche but then realize that you don't have gas money :)...or any money left in the account. But you feel proud about your new car. Maybe ask the neighbor for some...because he MUST give you a couple of $; he earns more than you, so why not contribute more to your luxury?

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    11. "...buy a Porsche"

      Ça va pas le tête?J'ai 75 balais man...heu...mon ami!

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  40. From the link was provided by another commenter above: http://thetyee.ca/News/2011/03/23/StephenHarpersEyes/

    "I want to disabuse you of mis-impressions you may have. If you've read any of the official propagandas, you've come over the border and entered a bilingual country. In this particular city, Montreal, you may well get that impression. But this city is extremely atypical of this country. While it is a French-speaking city -- largely -- it has an enormous English-speaking minority and a large number of what are called ethnics: they who are largely immigrant communities, but who politically and culturally tend to identify with the English community. This is unusual, because the rest of the province of Quebec is, by and large, almost entirely French-speaking. The English minority present here in Montreal is quite exceptional. Furthermore, the fact that this province is largely French-speaking, except for Montreal, is quite exceptional with regard to the rest of the country. Outside of Quebec, the total population of francophones, depending on how you measure it, is only three to five per cent of the population. The rest of Canada is English speaking. Even more important, the French-speaking people outside of Quebec live almost exclusively in the adjacent areas, in northern New Brunswick and in Eastern Ontario. The rest of Canada is almost entirely English speaking. Where I come from, Western Canada, the population of francophones ranges around one to two per cent in some cases. So it's basically an English-speaking country, just as English-speaking as, I would guess, the northern part of the United States. But the important point is that Canada is not a bilingual country. It is a country with two languages. And there is a big difference. "

    Stephen Harper, 1997, speaking to a US audience

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  41. A lot of people are writing today about how French is "dying" in Canada. Is "dying" a euphemism for "failing to spread"? "Failing to push out the competitor and make more room for yourself"? Is "survival" a euphemism for "taking over"?

    More importantly, even if we assume for the sake of argument, that it is dying, the real question becomes: what measures are we ethically justified in taking for saving it? Does everything go? Ends justify the means?

    Recently, I watched a report on MSNBC about the anti-Hispanic paranoia that hit White communities in some southern states (especially Arizona). The anti-immigration crusaders featured in the report were a carbon copy of our pequiste friends, and curiously they also demanded anti-Spanish legislation that they called pro-English. The reporter closed his piece by saying: one man's protecting of his culture is another man's fomenting of hate.

    I could not have said it better.





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  42. Since we've now all lambasted Editor but good for his anti-Harper rant, I want to go off topic a bit if nobody minds (well...even if anyone minds!) Did anyone watch the CTV coverage of the election? Two very interesting things happened well into the broadcast.

    First, Beryl Wajsman, editor of the Suburban weekly community newspaper, after enduring that f**king péquiste bitch on the panel along with Robert Libman, finally lambasted her for canonizing Pauline Marois all night long, and disgustingly was cut off by the network before he could swallow her whole. Heaven knows, she was antagonizing!

    Then that Lisée clown comes on to talk about "corrective action" should there be a backlash by the minorities. He was cut off at the pass before Wajsman and Libman could and should have been given the opportunity to skin him alive. What was Jean-François Lisée's definition of corrective action? Fines? Drunken rants by bigots? Deportation? Jail? Willful destruction of minorities' property (krystallnacht)? Public beheadings? Firing squad? Gas chambers? All of the above? What's not to say the lessons of 80 years ago have not been forgotten?

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    1. M.Sauga

      Toutes vos propositions se sont avérées efficaces dans le passé mais nous travaillons actuellement sur des méthodes plus discrètes,moins spectaculaires.Si vous saisissez ce que je veux dire.

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    2. Can you image, Mr. Sauga, if Pauline Marois had been killed? She would have become a saint, the first, white, unilingual and Catholic quebecois martyr fallen prey to the nasty enemy, thus feeding that creepy sense of victimhood and inferiority they already have by nature...
      That said, of course, we must refuse ANY kind of violence and intimidation from ANYONE.

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  43. Damn - Wish now I had been watching CTV. Hope others that did watch also comment. This Lisee sounds like another radical (from the comments that I've heard about him).

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  44. http://blog.thesuburban.com/2012/08/is-it-time-to-draft-justin-trudeau-to.html

    Is this a scenario ?

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  45. >>with a sock puppet as leader of the party we'd be looking at a Liberal minority or majority.
    There's no doubt that Jean Charest gambled with the future of this province

    OP,
    100% agreed.
    The odds have been totally stacked against him since even before 2012; people want change, they want a new government and new Premier, that's been obvious.

    He ran out of ego only.
    He ran out of ideas a long time ago.

    He had no business running for Premier. It's long overdue to give another leader a shot at the province, and he just handed it Marois.

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  46. All the 'Charest abandoned us' anglos now come out to zealously defend his leadership when a blogger points out the obvious: he didn't have a chance.

    The delusion here is incredible.

    The comments are really something!

    >>>>>>>>>>This Lisee sounds like another radical (from the comments that I've heard about him).

    I wonder how many of you read French language news or watch French language media, since an anglo-Quebecker expresses total ignorance of Jean-Francois Lisée's very existence on earth.

    Tout Le Monde En Parle told Charest very succinctly, to enormous, warm, enthusiastic applause from all, that they were happy with his time as Premier and grateful for his service to Quebec and wished him the happiest of futures after his retirement.

    He didn't take the clue. And led his party to a failure as a consequence. It was time to go; move aside and move on. Now, too late, he will be doing just that.

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  47. Anytime I've watched the French language news I get the same BS about how hard done by you people are, how you need your own country to express yourselves freely, the same old, same old brainwashing that has gone on for years. Why don't you people get out of your cocoon and realize there's a whole world out there with thousands of problems and all you do is whine. God - I'm not going to listen to Lisee and his bigotry - why should I?

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  48. AND BY THE WAY I'M PROUD TO BE AN ANGLO - YOU'RE PROUD TO BE FRENCH - SO WHAT?

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  49. >>>> the same old, same old brainwashing that has gone on for years

    I agree the French media employs some one-note second-rate who write essentially the same arguments over again.

    Yet the specific episode of Tout Le Monde En Parle that I refer to had none of the talk that you subsequently refer to.

    I don't listen to Lisée's bigotry either, madame. I'm merely aware of who he is.

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  50. Notre nouveau gouvernement va présenter sous peu notre nouveaux projet de loi 101 dès cette automne.Plein de modifications fort intéressantes.M.Legault et Mme.David devraient appuyer le nouveau projet sans problème.Les libéraux,sans Charest,marchent sur une patte...Comment vont-ils réagir,surtout avec le peu d'appuie de la part des anglos/allos au dernier scrutin?

    À suivre...

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    1. If Legault supports that, he can kiss his future politic career goodbye. All his support will vanish and he doesn't want that. After 9 months, to get 19 seats...I think he will start to realize pretty soon his luck.
      As for Mme. David I'm sure she will; her socialist-science-fiction-no-clue-about-real-world attitude says it all...

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    2. Vous n'avez pas remarqué le changement de ton radical chez Legault après les élections?
      Un homme tout à fait différent,moins fermé sur les idées du nouveau gouvernement.J'ai l'impression qu'il ne déteste pas tant que ça notre nouvelle première ministre.

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  51. Crazy Lorraine made one good point "borders are imaginary" - I repeat: Let's democratically have a referendum in each of the 57 federal electoral districts in Quebec and those that vote to go - GO - please push your new Queen for this as quickly as possible so we can all return to a normal life - some of us in Canada and you seppes in your New Quebec socialist state ()that has proven not to work in any other country of the world) but that you think will work in Quebec. Get that 15% petition out there - I can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  52. Just a quick post to let people know:

    For Official Release - The Quebec Office of the English Language Condemns Last Nights' Violence

    As a member of the English speaking community of Quebec, and as spokesperson for the Quebec Office of the English Language, a group dedicated to preserving and promoting the English language in Quebec, would like to express on behalf of our members, our sincerest condoleances to the family and friends of the victims in last nights’ shooting at the Metropolis during the speech from our newly elected provincial leader, Pauline Marois. All members and participants in our group strongly oppose this violence which has produced one death and one injury. Violence is not the answer, and must be denounced, as it will only scar our society as well as our collective history. Each and every person here as well as our fellow Quebeckers believes in preserving a peaceful and open society in which we can all be confident of our security and freedom. We now ask for calm and reflection and request all people of Quebec to continue to work at respecting all Quebec's citizens regardless of our differences and hope this type of violence never occurs again.




    Hugo Shebbeare
    Spokesperson - porte parole
    Quebec Office of the English Language
    Office québécois de la langue anglaise


    PS, thanks to FB group members Micheal Bradley, Murray Levine, et al. for Edits.

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    http://oqla.org/en/discussion/blog

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