Monday, September 10, 2012

Liberal Party Needs New Leader Fast

Pauline Marois is fast making good on her threats to place further limits on English in stating that she will introduce legislation beefing up Bill 101 and barring English cegep for Allophones and Francophones as her first order of business.

Likely she is counting on a Liberal party in disarray to pass her most contentious legislation and unless the Liberals hop to it, she just might get her way.

It is imperative that the Liberal choose a new leader immediately, that is with one or two months to be able to meet the Peekists in the house, united and willing and able to bring down the government over this specific issue.

In spite of the election loss the Liberal party escaped practically intact, except for their leader Jean Charest, who was actually a liability, the one person directly responsible for his governments fall from grace.

A new leader would probably wipe the floor with Madame Marois and could even steal power by offering a coalition with the CAQ whereby several cabinet seats would be given to the CAQ in a Liberal led coalition.
Let's be honest, how far apart is the CAQ and the Liberals, platform wise?

This would allow both the Liberal and the CAQ to slowly rebuild, while keeping the PQ in the opposition benches.

Think it impossible?

Pauline is huffing and puffing as if she owns a majority government and that might just be her downfall.
Perhaps she should recall the fate of Joe Clark who as the Prime Minister of a minority Conservative government acted as a he held a majority and was booted from office in nine short months, never to return.

As for a leader, there's not much talent within the Liberal Party itself, most of the veterans are too boring and lack leadership and have poor English skills.

Perhaps the only exception is Pierre Paradis, Jean Charest's sworn enemy in caucus.
Paradis and Charest haven't talked since Charest iced him out of cabinet and Paradis went into a self-imposed exile within the caucus, saying nothing and contributing nothing but silence.
It's too bad because Paradis, a capable bilingual federalist would have been an excellent addition to Charest's team, but it was not to be, over a personal feud.

It is possible that time has run out on him, but he is the most capable of all leadership candidates within the party, an excellent and fiery orator who emanates gravitas.
Once as Minster, he ordered inspectors into the homes of welfare recipients to see if they were rightfully qualified, so that tells what type of fellow he is.

If the Liberal Party goes outside to fetch a Denis Coderre they wouldn't do badly. If they lured Justin Trudeau into the fold, he'd be Premier within a year.

Whatever it is, something needs to happen, otherwise Pauline will run roughshod over our rights.

This isn't a time for licking Liberal wounds, it is a time for action and I sure hope the party is up for it.

In a poll released by Le Devoir, half the respondants hoped for a new election soon and 31% wanted a Liberlal/CAQ coalition.
All this is predicated on the Liberals choosing a new leader...and fast.

I'm afraid if things are allowed to fester and Marois starts passing her anti/anti/anti legislation the semi-social peace we have enjoyed for the forty years of PQ/Liberal rivalry will disappear.

We've already witnessed what happens when a determined minority like the students decide to perturb society and we've also seen how feeble the state is in combating widespread social unrest.

I firmly believe that the next attack on Anglo rights will trigger a social reaction not unlike the student tuition protest.

Quebec sovereigntists are fond of reminding everyone that they are surrounded by 300 million anglophones, perhaps they themselves should pay heed to that fact.

Starting a war with Quebec Anglos will have repercussions beyond Quebec's borders and when it comes to choosing sides, on whose side do you think those 300 million will stand?

If Quebec's Anglos, Ethnics and religiously observant decide to organize a North American boycott of Quebec, even the tiniest of compliance will be devastating.

If you are a separatist reading this and thinking that it is a great big hollow threat, consider this one item.

It takes 23 votes out of 30 on the NHL board of Govenors to approve a NHL team for Quebec City.
In other words seven NO votes and say goodbye to the Nordiques.

Who is on the NHL board of governors?
Not one Francophone.
But four Jews, two Greeks, One Italian two religious Christians and a bunch of wildly conservative Republicans.
And of course the leader of the rat pack is none other Gary Bettman, a New York Jew.

If you think that these people will vote with their wallet think again, there are twelve billionaires in the group and nine Canadians from outside Quebec.
It takes only seven NO votes and the Quebec Remparts will be the only team playing in what will become Quebec's version of the Montreal's white elephant, the Olympic stadium. 

Watch a video of PKP's better half stumping for sovereignty.
Made aware of the situation here in Quebec, I'm not so sure the governors of the NHL would want the likes of Pierre-Karl Peleadeau and his Pauline Marois ass-kissing wife, Julie Snyder among them.

I don't think the NHL governors would be comfortable placing a franchise in a province run by a government seeking to break away from Canada, where English is humiliated, Ethnics abused and religion values trounced.
Need I remind readers that Jim Basillie was blackballed for less?

Maybe the governors need to be reminded of all this, and so readers, are you ready to start writing letters?

Not yet, I'm holding out for a bit before declaring war on Marois, but if she goes ahead with her anti-English/Allo campaign all bets are off. That is a promise.

Let the above stand as a warning that we are not going to take any more language, religious and xenophobia without a fight.

And to separatists who tell us that Quebec is a welcoming society to immigrants, why is it that immigrants in Quebec are unemployed at a rate twice that of the regular workforce, the worst record of any Canadian province.
Read a sad commentary by Lysiane Gagnon on why Quebec bosses refuse to hire immigrants Link{Fr}
Oh yes, Madame Separatis, Quebec is really welcoming!

This is the road Pauline wants to take us down even further, where division, hate and xenophobia are the driving forces.
Poutine and Maple Syrup for all!

Almost 70% of Quebecers voted against Marois and her rabble. 
These 70% should understand that Pauline is bringing us closer and closer to a language war, a war that Marois actually wants in order to create chaos and thus momentum for sovereignty.

Unfortunately, if it's war that she wants, she will get it, too many Anglos have decided to stay and fight.

In the end Quebec will be destroyed or partitioned, that is why she must be stopped now.

As Anglos/Allos find themselves without any representation, where in fact all four parties all believe we Anglos/Allos are a threat to Quebec society, there are not many avenues left to our disposal.

We can run or we can fight, the political game is over.

To paraphrase Glen Close raging at Michael Douglas in Fatal Attraction, "We will not be ignored!"

If Pauline Marois wants to make life miserable for us we will return the favour, that's is my warning and promise to her.

238 comments:

  1. This fight, if it does take place, would be a long time coming.

    And in a strange way, I too think it'd be a salutary thing for all Quebecers, francophones and anglophones alike.

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    1. I find anglos kinda wimpy. FFS Galganov was too crazy for them and he was just a guy with balls and strong opinions.
      Where the fuck do we start?

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    2. Oh fudge, man! J.J. is right. Even Galganov came in 20 years too late. This should have been fought for all it's worth from the get-go, when Bourassa passed Bill 22 in 1974, and while I was hearing my parents, or neighbours, the Suburban, the English radio and TV shows reacting hard and loud, it was just lots of talk and no action, except for those of us who chose 401 over 101, me included.

      What's going to happen this time? Sweet f-all, that's what! Even if finally, finally, finally y'all get out there and protest, you're down a minimum of 300,000 fighters you may have had in your arsenal when all this b.s. started. Best thing that could happen is to get the Americans to start broadcasting Quebec's antics.

      Wanna write Bettman? Terrific! Do it! Quebec will have another white elephant go with the Big Owe that finally took 30 years to pay off. It would be a pleasure to see anti-Semitic Péladeau money pissed against a wall! Julie Snyder? SNYDER? What's HER ancestry all about? Boy does SHE have a Joual accent!

      Wanna make an even greater impact than Bettman? Make sure EVERY LAST U.S. NETWORK becomes aware of what's going on The United States of America's northern border. Let them know there is instability on The United States in America's northern border. The United States of America does NOT cotton well to instability on its borders.

      WRITE TO TV NEWSMAGAZINES LIKE 60 MINUTES (CBS), DATELINE AMERICA (NBC), 20/20 (ABC) AND IF FOX HAS A TV NEWSMAGAZINE, WRITE FOX TOO! FOX IS PROBABLY THE MOST CONSERVATIVE OF THE LOT! OH, AND DON'T FORGET CNN!

      For once in your big-talk-no-action lives, GET BUSY!


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    3. Done!

      On Public Radio International (PRI) :
      « Separatists take power in Quebec -- but no signs of pushing for separation”

      http://www.pri.org/stories/politics-society/separatists-take-power-in-quebec-but-no-signs-of-pushing-for-separation-11429.html

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  2. Sign the petition and share it with your friends on FB and elsewhere...

    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/481/919/050/protect-human-rights-in-canada/?cid=FB_TAF_CIT

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    1. Thank you - will look it up and sign and send if off to as many people as I can!

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  3. It's not worth fighting for there's too many better reasons to leave the fire burning and give them just what they want and will hate when it arrives and destroys their fantasy of utopia.

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    1. I don't know a better reason to fight than for my country, my way of life and my land. I guess only protecting my family comes before that.

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    2. Poles are still sexy!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_-5HVNFDTg

      (Editor: Since you allow S.R's repeated stupid comments, I think I will do likewise.)

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  5. Acting as if he held a majority worked out pretty well for Harper. I saw myself in Alberta how many people believed that the Opposition parties made the government fall on a whim at the past elections - after all it was in their power, so whenever they act upon that power it seems to be always blamed on the opposition.

    What they can do, of course, is just vote down every PQ proposal, like the Republicans have been doing in the past two years in USA.

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  6. But that's exactly what the PQ wants Harper to do... that way, they can turn around and say "See? Confederation doesn't work for Quebec!" to the stupid electorate that believes that nonsense...

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  7. "declaring war" and "If Pauline Marois wants to make life miserable for us we will return the favour"

    Is that a call to arms?

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    1. What do you mean by a call to arms?

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    2. Careful G.L., you could be accused of murder because I almost died laughing! First of all, go ahead, answer R.S.'s question! Second of all, when the draft board comes, the majority of you will do just what your pathetic lot did in the 1940s: Head for the woods!

      War takes work, so the stinking lot of you will talk a good war while most hope your neighbour will do your dirty work, only your neighbour is enjoying his welfare cheque life too much to do anything about it. Too, wouldn't you need to organize a union with a grievance committee probably bigger than the number of soldiers, and probably spend more time solving grievances than fighting?

      G.L.: YER A BUNCH OF YELLOW BELLIES! GO AHEAD: MAKE MY DAY!

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    3. Certains fuient dans les bois et d'autre vers l'ontario (après des études à rabais).Qui sont les plus lâches?

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  8. And what is to stop the CAQ and PQ forming a collation government? They both believe int anti-English rhetoric, beefing up bill 101 and restricting access to English CEGEPs. As a matter of fact, they're the same bloody party with the same agenda. Yeah, whatever, let's hold off a referendum for 10 years my ass. That is just talk to get votes from federalists and soft nationalists.

    As for the Liberals, why on earth would they stand in the way of anti-English attacks? Look at their track record over recent months. And if they're interested in winning the next election, they will want to appear nationalist and as hardcore as the PQ to get the separatist vote. So PQ, CAQ and Liberals all want the same thing...an anti-English agenda.

    So when does Marois get sworn in as premier of Quebec? next week, the week after? Whenever, watch and see what happens. Referendums are a big NO, but anti-English crap? That's fine and dandy by all parties involved!!



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    1. Dude: Your points are very cogent. Bou-bou's PLQ led the anti-English coalition twice with Bill 22 and then Bill 178. 22 + 178 = 200: Bou-bou Bourassa screwed the English speakers 100% x 2 = 200$! Robert Bou-bou Bourassa screwed the English speakers 100% not once, but twice!

      Dude: Your points are very cogent. Bou-bou's PLQ led the anti-English coalition twice with Bill 22 and then Bill 178. 22 + 178 = 200: Bou-bou Bourassa screwed the English speakers 100% x 2 = 200$! Robert Bou-bou Bourassa screwed the English speakers 100% not once, but twice!

      Anyone out there think I don't know what I'm writing about? Well I oughta, I just wrote it twice!!!









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    2. That's why you people have to start writing letters objecting to any more powers to Quebec and asking for protection from that witch under Canadian law! Whether she likes it or not, Quebec is a province within Canada and is subject to Canadian law. The Federal Government has a duty to protect it's citizens from being overridden by anti-Anglo/anti-Francophone/anti-Allo, anti-religious laws and we have to remind them of their duty by sending letters, petitions, e-mails whatever it takes to get them to listen.

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    3. "Some Dude" was me, posting under a different pseudonym. It was a very late night post, wasn't sure how coherent I'd be. :)

      I think I must be the only one who has suspicions about the CAQ. Either they're a Trojan horse variant of the PQ (waiting for the opportunity to surprise us all), or simply a split faction of the PQ, with a leader that wants to seize power for himself. Either way, they have the EXACT 100% THE SAME agenda. I do not even buy the notion of a 10 year delay for a referendum, they would call one whenever it suits them, much like the PQ. Anti-English rhetoric is alive and well within them, the PQ, and yes, even our so-called Liberals friends. The other other parties may very well put on a pretend show of defiance, but when the chips fall, and they will, it will be like Christmas for Marois...all the anti-English laws she wishes to pass will be granted, eventually. Why wouldn't they?

      As for CEGEPs, I agree with your points below. I have always, always argued what a waste of time that Quebec-only schooling institution is. It is Quebec's version of Kindergarten for university students (much like the buffer between nursery and elementary school). I wanted to go straight to university and it irritated me to no end, having to dwindle time and money away in this Kindergarten for university. Yet another example of Quebec doing things backwards from the rest of the world. Hah, Quebec must be a utopia for anyone who fancies the notion of a dysfunctional society.

      Nevertheless, watch and see what happens once Marios is crowned premier this or next week. You'll see I was right. "Protecting" the French language and throwing English on the sacrificial alter for that cause is always a G-O-O-D thing. Watch.

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  9. It's only a matter of time before Marois gets stabbed in the back by her own party. It's in their (the PQ) DNA. The question is, will their government fall before she goes down? I suspect their spring budget will fail and we'll be back at the polls. Also, If she scuttles the Plan Nord, expect the Liberals to go after her with everything they've got. As for pissing off non-francophones with new language laws. Expect serious blow back from the Harper Conservatives. They already sent a warning shot over the PQ's bow with Language Commisioner Grahm Fraser telling Marois to tread carefully a day after she was elected.

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  10. One more point, about extending Bill 101 to adults going to CEGEP. I'm not totally opposed to the idea. Why? Because as it stands now, Montreal's big three English CEGEPS are horribly over crowded. Francophones and Bill 101 kids are shutting out qualified students in the English stream. My old CEGEP, Dawson, is actually renting out space in a theater/ shopping mall across the street. The main reason these Bill 101 kids choose English CEGEPS is because they have their eyes set on expanding their language skills and marketability and they want to attend an English University. Better to hone your language skills (FOR FREE) in CEGEP rather than pay 300$ a class in University with a shaky grasp of the language. Other than hard science and math classes, CEGEP is widely regarded as a joke.

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    1. As I complimented Dude with expressing cogent points, I extend my compliments to you. I agree with Francophones not having access to English CEGEPs for the simple reason it's killing the English kids' chances of higher education, and that's bodes poorly for their future. I also agree with your opinion of CEGEP being a joke. I called it my years of suspended animation. Outside of my maths, CEGEP was a big, fat joke, and everybody around me back in those days said exactly the same thing. It was great from a social standpoint. It was said on radio by education experts its true purpose was to give French kids two years to catch up to the level of the English kids because we had way better texts and other learning resources at our disposal then the French kids through the school system.

      After what transpired the last academic year, however, I wonder if too many of these French kids have shit for brains to begin with. In the English CEGEPs and universities, it was business as usual. Too, who was it that voted in a pot lid banger?

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    2. LordDorchester, here's two concepts:

      'expansion' and 'contraction', as in expansion of Dawson if needed and contraction of Dawson in the following years.

      And guess what? Allowing allos and francos to attend English CEGEPS has increased competition, and god knows, teenagers need some competition, not just gold stars and certificates for attendance.

      And if you are FOR banning allos and francos from English CEGEPS, what stops you to ban them attendance to Concordia and McGill? I mean there is competition there too and there sure are allos and francos that take away university spaces form anglos, right?

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    3. TS,

      I am with LordDorchester. The English CEGEPs are overcrowded. For the sake's of my child, I would rather that those who attend English school go to English CEGEP. If that rule goes all the way to university, so be it. Do not worry about competition. There are plenty of RoC and international students ready to compete in McGill or Concordia.

      You know what? I think it is time for McGill, Concordia and Bishop's to have their students competent in English. Regardless where they come from, prospective students need to reach certain TOEFL / IELTS score. And no more writing assignments / examinations in French. English universities, English instructions.

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    4. Well, excuse me then. Here I was thinking we are having an unbiased discussion about what is fair and what's not, and we're actually debating what would be good for anglo kinds and allo kids educated in private English schools. This totally changes the problem, doesn't it?

      What's wrong with competition? Last time I checked that's how progress works! Who knows, it might actually be beneficial for teenagers to actually learn something and earn their grades, don't you think? Did Jimmy cruised through high-school slacking off and getting a pat on the head from both his teachers and parents for attending the classes but not getting those As colleges look for? Well... what do you want me to say...?

      Just to sum up what you and LordDorchester are advocating is ethnicity/language over competence. Gee, I wonder why it sounds so familiar? Oh wait...

      So word to the wise, next time some non-pure laine will be hired and then fired because he is not Quebecois enough, y'all should keep your mouth shut, because otherwise will look like hypocrites.

      As for English proficiency, this should be a MUST for at least University level.

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    5. Agree with TS. Competition and the free market are good. Protectionism, corporatism, andsocialism evil.

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    6. Can't believe what I am hearing. Banning allos and Francophones into English CEGEP won't make it easier for English school graduates from getting into college, all it will do is close the amount of English CEGEPs in the future. Instead of Dawson, Vanier, Champlain and John Abbott, you'll be lucky if 2 of the 4 CEGEPs are still open in Montreal. The English school system in Quebec was 250 000 in 1976, so many English schools in Montreal were crowded yet they were still there. Today there are only 105 000 in the Quebec ENglish school system. In my area only 1 english elementary school remains, earlier there were 3 english elementaries and one large English high schools. IT is quite delusional to think a ban on allos and francos will help English school attendees.

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    7. You simply misunderstand the law concerning bilingualism; it isn't a "ban" on francophones and allos. If you want to attend a publically funded school in the language which your parents attended school in Canada, then you'll be admitted to that school, whether you are francophone, anglophone or allophone, and that goes for anywhere in Canada including Quebec. But more often than not, Francophones outside of Quebec (except for N.B.) are told to send their kid to english language school because they don't have any spots for their kid in french immersion schools or there's simply no french immersion in the area they live in (yes its 100% legal). Now if you're a francophone wanting to attend publicly funded post-secondary french education outside of Quebec then you're truly out of luck. On the other hand, nobody is stopping you from attending a private school in the language of your choice.

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    8. Pallo, francophones outside Quebec do not send their children to French immersion schools - they send their children to French school. French immersion is for learning French as a second language and is not indicated for people who already know it.

      I think availability in French schools is much better than French immersion.

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  11. FROM ED BROWN
    Marois has said that if the PQ and CAQ try to stop her she will rule by Cabinet Decree. In other words create a law without bringing it up to parliament. Maybe the withstanding clause would help her do that. I don't know.
    Lord D. I think Dawson is overcrowded because of it's convenient location. My Grandson attends John Abbott in St.Anne de Bellevue because they have the humanities courses he wants. It's like a country campus. Not one student from there joined the ranks of the red square. They are there to learn and live in English. A genuine utopia of peace and tranquility in our francophone dominated society. Ed

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    1. Ed, she ALREADY did that. That's how bill 78 was scrapped off. I see a 'bright' future ahead.

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  12. Humanities courses get you nowhere! I obligatorily had to take four of them in CEGEP. One of the four was a folklore course that was fun insofar as we learned folk-dancing, laughing and tripping over each other until we learned the dances correctly (well...somewhat), another was called the Necessity of Art where I somewhat learned what authors wrote and what artists painted and how and why they did it relative to their contemporary times. The other two were completely forgettable. If your grandson wants to teach humanities as a career option, and he can actually find a job teaching humanities, then he'll be OK. Beyond that...FORGET IT!

    As Paul Simon sings in his song Kodakchrome©. his first words were "When I think about all the crap I learned in [CEGEP]...it's a wonder I can think at all. I put CEGEP in brackets because it was really high school. No such thing as CEGEP anywhere in the world but for Quebec. Know what I mean?

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  13. God save the Queen and Heaven bless the Maple Leaf Forever!

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    1. Unfortnately, if I reply to the opposite of your comment, I could be accused of spreading hateful language. If you like to suck the butts of the monarchy, it'a bigger issue that our little respective superiority language claims.
      I've like this comment yesterday when a clever anglophone( it happens ), mention that the re-branding of the royal family in Québec was the equivalent of a political suicide.
      Harper woke up the most drowsy of separatists by doing that, while instead, working on getting rid of the Lieutenant-Governer and it provicials puddles, all of them costing an arm to tax payers while the same tax payers gets fired from their jobs. Curiouly, people representing the eshtablishment dont lose their jobs often. Vous m'emmerdez royalement avec votre Reine, quelle idéé sogrenue que de la sortir des boules à mites - what a stupid political move to withdraw her from her mothflakes.

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    2. It's "saugrenue"... jeez, do you really an anglo to teach you proper French?!? Sheesh!!!

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  14. FROM ED BROWN
    Hi Saugie, John Abbott courses are not like that. I know because I do homework with my Grandson. It is deep in the theories of the great philosephers. He is taking them because he wants to be a Baptist Minister. I gotta gota Clinic. catch ya later. Ed

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    1. Ed: Good luck to your grandson on becoming a Baptist minister. I guess humanities are good for those who deliver sermons, aside from teaching. Never thought of religion as a career option. (I don't use the word clergyman because rabbis and imams are not clergy--they're considered teachers--I guess ministers are as well when it's all said and done).

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  15. Now that I responded to everybody else's very cogent comments, I thought I'd add some of my own.

    Actually, I can't improve much on what everybody else above has written, except I do want to fortify what I wrote about writing into American TV newsmagazines hoping if they receive enough requests, they'll actually air something about the subject.

    I implore everybody who is fed up with the anti-everything-but-French nonsense (and it is nonsense) to write to the American networks because there is nothing like American ridicule of the nonsense to infuriate the separatists and warn potential tourists of the abuse the face coming to Quebec.

    Back in 1998, 60 Minutes did a segment with Morley Safer and the late Mordechai Richler. Instead of doing a segment themed on "the bastards did this and the bastards did that", Safer and Richler very smartly made a complete mockery of the Great Charter of Charters using light humor. Brilliant strategy! The separatists went ballistic ape-shit over that segment, and I'll explain how.

    Jean Cournoyer was a former cabinet minister back in the day of Bourassa's PLQ government. In his post-political life, he became a host of a call-in radio show on politics and other contemporary topics. The morning after that 60 Minutes segment in February 1998, one caller after another after another after another was spewing anti-Semitic diatribes on the air. It got to the point Cournoyer had to suspend the calls for several minutes to address the audience and cool the rhetoric down. He explained he has Jewish friends and they're not the way the callers were describing them.

    I believe the subject that caused this powder keg was when Richler discussed Matzogate, a situation where an rabid racist language cop saw fit to confiscate a giant shipment of kosher matzo, the most essential foodstuff for the Jewish holy observance of Passover, because there was no French on the packaging of the Matzo. This caused such a fury in the Jewish community to the point the Quebec government was embarrassed enough that they had to punch a hole in the Great Charter of Charters allowing kosher matzo a 65-day window to come into Quebec worry-free.

    Multinationals were given a pass too, although the b.s is starting again with French names or the like.

    You want to try and fight for your rights? I'll believe it when I see it. Circumstances have manifested to this point because this battle should have been fought almost 40 years ago when Bill 22 became law. Big talk, no action. Galganov comes 20 years later. The anglophones were just as big detractors as the francophones. Fine, he finally gets fed up, and leaves, taking all his taxable income to Ontario. GREAT! I'm sure he's earning good money in his advertising business for he owns several acres of land and raises horses. Land costs money to buy, and horses cost money to feed and maintain. He must be doing well. Actually, he probably got the land for a good deal as a lot of it was swamp land, but he drained it, worked it, and with sweat equity, added value to it. Good for him, he worked hard to do it and he is still a political activist.

    As for the rest of you, because this fight wasn't done decades ago, it will be much harder, and now you're getting the type of government you deserve for not having fought the battle when it needed to be fought. I wish you all well, but you're on your own. GET BUSY!

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  16. Know what I want to see?

    Oka part deux.

    Only this time, ZERO help from the army.

    We'll see how tough the little seppies really are without help from Ottawa.

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    1. Geronimo, I believe it was on this blog that the editor pasted a youtube feature showing the seppies throwing rocks and other objects at the First Nations people on or near the Mercier Bridge in vehicles. Very mean-spirited, ugly people.

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  17. À quoi ressembleraient les indiens...without help from Ottawa?

    Hmmmm...

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    1. Nice one man!

      So not only do you steal their land, kill them, give the survivors diseases like small pox, build latrines on top of their burial grounds (wish I was making that up), tell them to speak YOUR language, you now also make fun of them like they're a lesser people.

      In a nutshell you can see why seppies and their movement get no respect. Because you don't have any for the original inhabitants of Quebec.

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    2. Désolé mais je n'ai rien à voir dans toute cette histoire et pas besoin d'être un seppie pour se poser la question.

      Pouvez-vous répondre à ma question maintenant?

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    3. You think what happened to the Indians has nothing to do with you?

      Sure, you never killed them yourself, or diseased them.

      But by telling them they have to speak your language is disrespectful.

      You're always whining that you're "drowning in an anglo sea" but you expect a people who were here several centuries before you to assimilate to you.

      Pretty hypocritical stuff.

      And like I already said, you guys will never succeed in your quest to have your culture "respected" because you have absolutely no respect for others.

      You deserve to fail.

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    4. Évidemment...

      Merci tout de même pour votre réponse totalement à coté de la question.

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    5. Well, I've seen you dodge a few serious questions, don't see why I can't keep the attention on the real matters that concern Quebec's Indian population.

      Oh, and if the feds don't step in this time...count on tribes from surrounding regions (New York, Ontario) coming up to back up the locals.

      Marois will not have the first clue how to resolve that.

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    6. The Indians in Quebec have made it clear so often that they will not live in a separate Quebec and their land is their land, not Quebec's, so there goes the hydro-electric plants and they will use force for sure to protect what is rightfully theirs. They have the courage of their convictions and I wish we were more like them. I have a lot of respect for their rights even if Quebec does not.

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    8. Attention Éditeur!Un idiot s'amuse à voler mon pseudo

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    9. "Désolé mais je n'ai rien à voir dans toute cette histoire et pas besoin d'être un seppie pour se poser la question."

      Intersting point of view, especially since I, as an anglophone, keep getting blamed for what happened on the Plains of Abraham.

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    10. Aboriginals in Quebec speak speak the tribal language first and english

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  18. Mr. Yannick: I did not solicit comments from the seppes on this Blog - they have made it very clear that they are not interested in a Bilingual Canada just in their own version of the New Quebec which excludes everyone but pure laine Francophones. That SR can read and write English probably as well as I do but insists on insulting all of us on a daily basis in French, makes it impossible to have a frank and mutual improvement conversation with him and his buddies. That's why I said I would no longer be interested in this site if the Editor kept letting them lecture us on why we are bad citizens of "their" Quebec.

    Yes Mr. Sauga - I wish that Mr. Richler was still around - he would have been a great spokesman at the point in the history of Quebec. We cannot change the past but we also cannot sit around this time and let this nut take away any more of our rights. Yes, we need a spokesperson for the Canadians in this province and whomever takes on the job will need our full support for the next little while.

    Barring any resolution with the seppes we must have a partition party and let those areas of Quebec go that want to go. Let them have their utopia and the rest of us can live our lives in a normal fashion and get rid of this irritant. Hopefully we will see the rise of a new Canadian party in this province and hopefully soon. The void is very apparent and I'm sure there are plenty of politicians that would love this gig.

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    1. Granted, S.R. does not provide for fruitful conversation - just one-liners and so on.

      But Guillaume Légaré and Stephane Russel at least wrote some of their stuff in English and explained their points.

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    2. @Cutie : Before thinking about partition, your new party will need a majority in the national assembly. Good luck...

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    3. Pour l'instant ils sont heureux de réunir 20 angryphones sur un coin de rue (en été :)

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  19. Editor,

    I think you grossly overestimate the care North American anglophones have for their brethren in Quebec. As proven many times, there was hardly a peep in North American society when any language restriction measure is rolled out in Quebec.

    Bill 101. Where was the rage? Bill 101 in its original incarnation is one draconian and highly discriminating piece of legislation. With the number of people and organizations leaving the province directly because of Bill 101, can it not be said that to some extent Bill 101 is an instrument of a group's eradication?

    Yet 35 years after, nobody out of Quebec cares. The general sentiment in the RoNA (rest of North America) is that French is spoken in Quebec voluntarily. They understand that there is a law regulating languages, but not to the extent that it controls almost every aspect of socio-economic-political life. Basically, they think that French is Quebec is similar to Spanish in New Mexico.

    Another case is the NDP's project to make Bill 101 applicable to federally-regulated industries in Quebec. While there was quite a noise about that plan in Quebec and in the Parliament, RoNA media was quite quiet about that.

    I think unless there is a separation declaration outright, nobody in RoNA cares about the language issues in Quebec. RoC pays plenty of attention to Quebec mainly not because its language matters but for its economical situation. The issue RoC has - particularly from the West - is that Quebec is perceived to be irresponsible in its finances and yet still receives money from RoC.

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  20. Another good reason to push for a democratic Federally sponsored Referendum in Quebec. 75 federal districts - ask each which wishes to remain in Canada and let the rest go. This could be controlled by Federal Law in that the Clarity Act be used in the form of a straight-forward question and a clear majority in each federal district. Those that remain form a new bilingual province or join NB as a bilingual province, sign the constitution and let the rest go to form their New Quebec. Peaceful quiet solution to end this stalemate and we could all then live in peace and harmony. Don't know if that's possible but that's the best solution.

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  21. Video game tester loses job over hate speech against Marois

    http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/video-game-tester-loses-job-over-hate-speech-against-marois-1.945792

    Editor, what say you? How ridiculous is this?



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    1. Regarde ça mon kiki et il n'est pas question ici d'incitation à la violence.

      Guelph student claims she was also banned from Harper rally

      http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/04/06/guelph-student-claims-she-was-also-banned-from-harper-rally/

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    2. «You can’t just find good assasins these days!» -Blake Marsh

      Gentil garçon

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    3. Ridiculous? Ridiculous to openly call for the assassination of a public figure? Inciting to violence is a crime, he's lucky our society does not legislate on facebook posts and he won't be making time.

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    4. Le problème pour lui et que nous avons sa photo et qu'il est clairement identifié.
      Plus stupide que ça...

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    5. He's under police investigation and the crown prosecutor is considering pressing charges.

      1984.

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    7. If we applied the logic of prosecution based on internet activity, SR would be doing 10 years of hard labor for his endless remarks, insults, and threats on this very blog. And I would actually defend him, because if we start prosecuting people over such things, then where will we end up?

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    8. adski, that's simply obsene. S.R. has never advocated violence, even if he has been insulting.

      But calling out to violence is a crime, and it has nothing to do with 1984. Like it or not, if one's Facebook account is public enough for the message to have been seen by his employers, it's public enough for it to be public incitement to violence. It might even be public incitement to hatred. He deserves a conviction - calling out for assassinations is not okay.

      I usually err on the side of Facebook being a private sphere, but people have to keep it, y'know, private for that.

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    9. Yes, actually, he just advocated it a couple of posts ago - he was having himself a laugh about Indians getting pelted in the head with rocks. And then of course he condemns the Facebook guy.

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    10. I remember him raving about La chasse aux Anglais (va commencer bientot)...although in all fairness he didn't specify what kind of hunt, unlike the guy on FB who was more specific about method and the target. Maybe SR meant a non-violent hunt, with bouquets of roses shelled out instead of bullets, and les Anglais is just a generic term he uses to refer to the fictional Clingons...

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    11. @Adski : La "chasse aux anglouilles"? I thought that was pretty straight-forward : The OQLF going on a witch-hunt handing out fines. Hardly tolerant, but also hardly the same thing as calling out for an execution.

      @Geronimo : Yes that's totally the same as calling out for an assassination.

      Let me remind you of the text : You just can't find good assassins these days!" Blake Marsh, a now-former tester at Eidos Montreal, wrote on his Facebook page. In a follow-up comment, he added, "I give this bitch a month before someone with better aim comes forth and does what must be done."

      Also note this is old news - it just took about a week for the English press to mention it. Believe S.R. or some other linked it two editor posts ago.

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    12. Merci Yannick de jouer le rôle de traducteur mais je crois que plusieurs anglos sont,soit de très mauvaise foi,soit ils sont incapables d'assumer leurs fautes,aussi évidentes soient-elles.

      En passant,le Québec est présentement devant la tribunaux (injonction) concernant la récupération des données du régistre des armes à épaule.

      Harper ne reconnait pas une des spécificités de la Nation Québécoise dans ce domaine?

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    13. "...so there goes the hydro-electric plants and they will use force for sure to protect what is rightfully theirs..." -Cutie003

      Encore de la violence passée sous silence



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    14. @Yannick - laughing at Indians taking rocks in the head might not be the same as calling for assassination, but the apathy could lead to the same result. Why don't you lay off being such an apologist and face the facts for what they are.

      @S.R - Really disgusts me how banal you are. You only see the Quebecois as being oppressed or under threat. You have zero regard for others and therefore have no place panhandling for sympathy. Face it dude, you're simply not a good person.

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    15. The people defending this scumbag are the apologists, not me.

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    16. Which scumbag are you talking about?

      S.R?

      Bain?

      Blake?

      All of the above?

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    17. Bain and Blake. S.R.'s a troll, not a murderer.

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    18. Are you sure? How do you know? He sounds like a felquiste.

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    19. S.R (to our knowledge) is not a murderer, but like Bain and Blake he is clearly a sociopath with no regard for people who do not fall under his social umbrella (white, Quebec-born uniligual franophones).

      His apathy is what powers violent types like Bain to go forward and act out against the targeted group.

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    20. You`re giving yourself too much credit my little troll.

      You`re a faceless hatemongering coward with nothing constructive to offer francos, anglos...or just anyone for that matter.

      Oh well, every village needs it`s idiot.

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    21. And in effect, we have the elongated version of the PQ`s original election slogan: "Tu sais, après avoir passé ma journée à vous faire chier inutilement, je me crosse tout seul! J’adore! Héhé :D"

      http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4013/4586233046_3036d28fbf.jpg

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    22. S.RMonday, September 10, 2012 10:09:00 PM EDT

      "Oh well, every village needs it`s idiot."

      Dans un village indien vous risquez d'en retrouver beaucoup plus qu'un :)

      ---> And there you have it...typical separatist racism.

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    23. Après avoir passé ma journée à vous faire chier inutilement, je me crosse tout seul! J’adore! Héhé :D

      So finally our troll admits why he spends all day trolling this blog… so he can jerk off alone once he’s done… bravo! I adore! :D

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    24. Duh? Of course it's not S.R. He (the real one) even said that someone was mascarading as him yesterday.

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  22. Cutie003,

    "Those that remain form a new bilingual province or join NB as a bilingual province, sign the constitution and let the rest go to form their New Quebec."

    I was wondering about the feasibility of that, a partitioned Quebec where the minority dominated areas join with the areas in Ontario that have large francophone minorities to create a new bilingual province. The areas like in the east like lower north shore could join New Brunswick. It would be a win for Francophones in Ontario, Minorities in what would be partitioned Quebec, ie, most of Montreal island, hudson, even Ungava if the natives decide they want to be part of new province. What is left of Quebec could get their super bill 101 and be free of minorities.

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  23. Yes, I agree but if, say Ontario, doesn't want to become officially bilingual, we could form our own province. I'm sure the territories all along the St. Lawrence and the Pontiac will stay with Canada (perhaps a couple of districts would remain with a New Quebec)but they could have free border rights, just live with their new Bill of Rights and Freedoms excluding everyone but the pure laine and be quite happy (but bankrupt) and not drag us down with them. Let them have their pipe dream and ensure they are not allowed to come back to disrupt us again. Once they vote to stay in their "New Quebec" minus the Indians and we who live in peace and harmony, they stay there. No immigration back for 50 years sounds about fair to me. By then they should know what it is to stand alone.

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    1. Actually Cutie i was musing about creation of a completely new province and not being part of Ontario. So parts of eastern Ontario and northern ontario that had large francophone minorities can join together with parts of Quebec that had vice versa for minorities to create this new bilingual new brunswick like province.

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    2. Well, I don't know if any parts of Ontario would be likely to join us but I'm sure that we would welcome those that want to be part of a new bilingual province. Food for thought in the future.

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  24. Went on the "Thepetitionsite.com" and searched out "protect-human-rights-in-Canada" and signed the petition for Human Rights in Quebec Petition. Please everyone, do the same thing - strength in numbers and all that good stuff.

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  25. Une fenêtre s'ouvre

    "Personne ne peut prédire combien de temps durera le gouvernement de Pauline Marois - peut-être un an, deux à la limite - mais pour les minorités canadiennes-françaises et acadiennes, l'élection du Parti québécois pourrait bien constituer une occasion unique d'intensifier leurs relations avec le Québec."

    Thoughts?

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    1. Stop trying to hijack this blog with your own agenda.

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    2. I don't understand what you're talking about.

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  26. Oh boy arent we being somewhat melodramatic here..really? The first part of your post was ok but then you start ranting and raving about Quebecs NHL team and who is on the board and so on. You really come off as someone sending threats..this type of dialogue is not going to improve relations between anglos and francophones. Threatening people tends to make them angry and it closes dialogue. The fact is that many francophones are concerned about their language and many are open to strengthening Bill 101. Maybe you dont like it but a lot of francohones do and they are a majority. I am an anglophone and pretty well bilingual..I have accepted that one needs to speak and understand French to live here in Quebec. I think there are still too many anglos holding on to the past and wanting to live their lives totally in english..good luck with that. Good luck also with threats and intimidation..not a good tactic.

    I personally think there is a pretty good chance that the PQ end up with a majority government within a year or so. One of the reasons they may is because francophones may get sick and tired of hearing nasty and threatening comments from the anglo community. We are not in a position to threaten and intimidate..we are only 10 percent of the population. I frankly have been embarassed by some commentary in the english media over the past month. Beryl Wasjman of the suburban should have been muzzled as he was very obnoxious and rude during the election night coverage on ctv and again with his debate with Mario Beaulieu. He wouldnt let the other person talk..ranting an raving..this type of behaviour is not going to help at all but only make matters worse.

    Some of the comments I have read here and in the english media elsewhere are disturbing..comparing Pauline Marois to Hitler and demonizing the PQ. Lets be clear I am against most of the PQ policiies..I dont believe in strengthening Bill 101..however the rude and obnoxious comments from much of the english media and nasty comments also is only adding more oil to the fire. We should be thankful that many francophones did not support the PQ even when the Liberals were facing all sorts of scandals. We should be conducting ourselves in a civilized manner otherwise we are the ones who are going to pay for it in the next election.

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    1. Do you really think there is a conversation to be had with Pauline Marois?
      Did you not see how the students won their demands?

      According to you it is all our fault we that we are being rude and unpleasant about seeing our community destroyed.
      I really did not believe that there are still Kapos like you around, apologizing to our tormentors for resisting assimilation.

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    2. Complicated, I agree 100% with you

      @Editor : It's a shame that you believe that the student movement was a violent movement. Except for a few disturbed agitators, who are mostly anarchists that use those protests as a reason to do some vandalism, this movement was for the most part peaceful.

      This "maple spring" showed us that the PEOPLE can have enough power to change some of the government's decisions. I understand that Marois' policies are considered threats to the English community. It's one of the reasons why I didn't vote for her, even if I consider myself sovereignist. I advice you to do like the students and protest in the streets. You could probably rally a lot of Francophones to your cause whom like me, believe that Marois' policies should more inclusive.

      Like Complicated said, it might a double edged sword, because a lot of Quebecers could get fed up with the "demands" of the Anglos. However, I think that it's worth it to give it a shot, it would at the very least open a dialog between the two communities.

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    3. "You could probably rally a lot of Francophones to your cause"... but... "it might a double edged sword, because a lot of Quebecers could get fed up with the "demands" of the Anglos"

      You Anglos need a protest with "enough power to change some of the government's decisions", without getting Quebeckers "fed up" with our "demands". Find a way to rock the boat without rocking it. And remember to be nice. Good luck.

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    4. @Guillaume - of course you agree with Complicated...he's your alter ego.

      I think you miss the point of this blog.,

      All Anglos in Quebec should be able to speak French - especially if they were born here. Trouble is though, that we've seen more than enough to know that being able to speak French is not enough...Quebeckers will raise a flag against you if they detect an accent.

      They don't like anyone who isn't Pure Wool.

      If you can't grasp what I'm saying, just turn around and head on back to Vigile.net or Journal De Montreal.

      Also, let's not forget that when anglos are chilling out together on the street and speaking English to one another, that's their right.

      How many times has some uneducated jerk-off uniligual asshole start trouble with non-francos having a private convo in their own language?

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    5. "@Guillaume - of course you agree with Complicated...he's your alter ego."

      Another pointless accusation of people using sockpuppets?

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  27. FR0M ED BROWN
    Complicated, Where the hell do you get your bullshit. The Liberals were not facing all kinds of scandals and it's talk like that from Anglos that helped them lose. You're saying we should be more kind in speech and thought. Well we have and it didn't work. Also we are not ten percent of the population, we are twenty percent who pay 40 percent of the taxes. You sound like a sepratist in disguise. For your information WE ARE FUCKING CIVILIZED and we're tired of not receiving the same respect. The difference is that we don't cry if a store keeper can't speak our language we try to help him to communicate.. We don't make a case for sparation out of it. Show some backbone, we've crawled lomg enough. Now we'r5e standing erect. Too bad it doesn't please you. Ed

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    1. Yes complicated - we have sat back and sucked up for far too long. We didn't rise up when we should have, that's for sure, but just because the Francophones are the majority in this province doesn't mean that they have a right to disrespect the Anglophone and Allophone communities by taking away more rights and freedoms. I too believe that you are a separatists just trying to irritate us even further. And you talk about rude and obnoxious comments from the media, what have the separatist media been doing to us for the last 40 years! We are all part of Canada (even if you don't like it) and we live under a Bill of Rights and Freedom that all of you are stepping all over and shoving it in our faces that you will make your own laws to suit yourselves - well enough is enough - time for you to have your own country and leave we CANADIANS (French/English/Allophone Canadians) alone. It will be good riddance to your ilk and hopefully in the near future. On with partition of this province.

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    2. Complicated isn‘t very complicated, he just sounds like one of those apologist anglos who are ashamed that his mother read him nursary rhymes in english when he was a baby.
      Great logic, “the majority of francophones believe 101 should be extended.“ So if the majority of francophones believed that anglos should be deported off the 514 or we should end immigration the government should proceed? Great logic.
      Seriously its people like “complicated“ who stabbed guys like William Johnson and Howard Galganov in the back in the 90s.

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    3. Yes Ed, Liberals were facing a lot of scandals. Like it or not, for the francophone community the named of Jean Charest was associated with most of those scandals. He was also seen as the one who failed to solve the student crisis. Maybe those allegations are unjustified, but you can't deny that it was the general perception.

      Also, it's not a coincidence if the elections were launched right before the commission Charbonneau.

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    4. Mr. complicated needs a reminder about the Tyranny of the majority, which is when decisions made by a majority that places its interests so far above those of an individual or minority group that it constitutes active oppression, comparable to that of tyrants and despots.

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  28. FROM ED BROWN,
    I find myself ranting and I had promised myself I wouldn't. I remember as a child playing hockey I was suddenly attacked by one of the older boys punching me and knocked me down. When I got up he started again so I socked him hard and he ran home srying. Some of my freinds said , "look what you did you made him cry" I was being called a bully for defending myself. That's what I felt like when I read the post by complicated.
    How dare he call us uncivilized because qwe're trying to stand up to a bully. We know they are the majority. he doesn't have to remind us, that's what they are taking advantage of to beat up on us. How can someone see that talking about the NHL is a threat. Talk about non-existant scandals is exactly what sent so many to the CAQ
    and cost us the election. How many posts and letters to the editor have I read of people saying this. Because of rumors they went Legault.
    The only way she will win a majority government
    is if Legault joins her. French people can not give her more seats because they don't like what we are saying. People here are apeaking their minds with back bnone. Ed

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  29. My my my..arent we a sensitive bunch. You are pretty well proving my point with all your screaming and raving. Do you really think that by being rude obnoxious and condascending that this is going to help the anglophone community?

    I dislike the PQ and Mme.Marois as much as most anglos however I will say that over the past few weeks I was pleasantly surprised on a number of occasions on how civilized and respectful some of the PQ spokespeople were. And on the other side I was embarrassed at how rude some on the anglophone side have been..in particular beryl wasjman. There have been cartoons portraying Mme.Marois as Hitler and so on..this is crossing the line.

    Its pretty hard to be taken seriously when so many in the english media have been borderline rude. Once again we should be thankful that the PQ barely won..thanks to the francophone population. This psycho anglo gunman is also horrible news for the english community because it will be used by some on the francophone side to demonize us even further. I can guarantee you that being more agressive and rude will only make matters worse by turning more francophones against us. We need the soft nationalist francophone vote to defeat the PQ in the next election.

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    1. I suppose then you are a big fan of Michel Patrice. After all he is is very polite and articulate.

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    2. Tell me then complicated, what has the English community done to provoke separatist tightening of Bill 101 before the call of the recent election? No one had done one damn thing for them to think of taking away more of our rights! They are deliberately trying to push us into conflict with their high-handed methods of running over the Bill of Rights and we have no choice but to push back and it's high time we did. Enough is enough. If you don't mind being bullied that's up to you but frankly I'm sick of it. 40 years of this is enough. Read "A Deeply Divided Society Needs: The Jura Solution" suggested by one of the members of this blog. Best way out of this and democratic solution to save ourselves from a Norther Ireland situation. Let's get on with partition - know it's repetitive but there it is!

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    3. Maybe one could take some inspiration from Martin Luther King?

      "But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.

      We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny and their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone."

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    4. "what has the English community done to provoke separatist tightening of Bill 101 before the call of the recent election?"

      You dared to continue speaking English at home. JF Lisee and Jean-Paul Perreault from Imperatif Francais stated very clearly - it is not enough to be able to speak French, you should try to live in it too. I don't know what you don't get about it. It's so perfectly clear, and has been so clearly articulated in the soft soothing voice of JF Lisee. Yet you still didn't get it. So you get more bill 101. And no soup for you. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNwbjcuQUv8).

      On another note, what kind of an argument is this: "Maybe you dont like it but a lot of francohones do and they are a majority.". So being in the minority means that you can't form an opinion based on your experience? Or this: "francophones may get sick and tired of hearing nasty and threatening comments"...Are we going to be forever obliged to kiss the foot that kicks us in the ass, or at least keep quiet about it, smile and walk away?


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    5. Pragmatically, if you're trying to convince francophones to change something, being rude and insulting will take you nowhere. Like MLK said, you cannot walk alone - you need to convince other Francophones.

      Good luck doing that if you keep on framing them as Nazis.

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    6. Yannick: God you've been on here long enough to know that we are not being rude and insulting to Francophones - we are being rude and insulting to seppies. I know plenty of Francophones in this area that are Canadians and proud of it - they are ashamed of the seppies they know and keep away from them as much as possible in conversation. We are framing SEPARATISTS AS NAZIS - Please be aware of the difference.

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    7. You quote MLK saying "We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence." Are you suggesting that we do want to degenerate into violence? Is being rude and insulting, and calling the PQ Nazis a kind of violence (verbal violence, I assume) that we should not do? I agree on the physical violence part, but I can't imagine going through a single day without at least thinking of the PQ as a fascist party, and sometimes saying it. Sorry.



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    8. Hate begets hate ; it may be ironic, but by equating Marois and the PQ to the Nazi party you paint yourself as out-of-touch to most Francophones who will thereafter not listen to what you have to say and it will not do anything to help your cause.

      Do what you must, all I'm saying is that your generalizations are counter-productive to your cause.

      How did homosexuals get their rights respected? It sure as hell was not by equating all straights as Nazis.

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    9. @ Yannick - The Nazi party started out so innocently by denying the Jewish people a "few little freedoms" and look how that ended. This is what the separatists are doing - removing our rights little by little and I sure as hell am not going to keep quiet about it any more! Please everyone, sign the petitions, pass them along to your family and friends, send e-mails and letters to your politicians - stop them in their tracks before the language police are called to your home to check to see what language you are speaking and what religious symbol hangs on your wall. Insidious PQ government.

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    10. "by equating Marois and the PQ to the Nazi party you paint yourself as out-of-touch to most Francophones who will thereafter not listen to what you have to say and it will not do anything to help your cause."

      I am very careful not to use the word "Nazi". Nazi Germany was an instance of fascism that went the furthest possible, but it's not the only kind of fascism. There are milder types of fascism, and myself being a libertarian, my threshold for fascism is very low (for example, I consider The Patriot Act a very fascist legislation, sold to people the way every fascist legislation is sold - by fomenting fear). So you don't need concentration camps with crematoria chimneys pumping ashes into the air to be fascist. In fact, this high standard for fascism can be dangerous, because it excuses softer versions of fascism.

      Second, what others think about my opinions of the PQ is not going to change my opinion of the PQ. The only thing that can change my opinion of the PQ is the PQ changing course. If my opnion means that some won't shake my hand, then so be it. Who cares.

      Third, it'd be very hard to get francophones to help, even if one masks his true opinions. Persuasion is almost powerless in the face of cultural conditioning. The case is lost before it even begins. The ranks get closed even at the slightest mention of loosening of 101, while strengthening of 101 may or may not find fertile grounds.

      What do I advocate then for Anglos and Allos? Violence, partition, anti-101 marches, moving out of QC? No, I advocate a "don't let them have the satisfaction" attitude. Live your life, work, blow off steam online if you have to, but never strain yourself to show "respect". Don't be too accommodating, cast an occasional frown or an eye roll the PQistes way, use English everywhere you are and do it loudly, vote the PLQ and G.Tremblay no matter how much the f**k up, and so on and so forth...But do not ever give them the satisfaction.


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    11. On a whole I respect you and your viewpoint a lot, adski.

      Seeing how the source of the friction is the perception by francophones that anglophones go out of their way not to learn their language, forcing them to live in English, I think your proposal will be counter-productive though.

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  30. FROM ED BROWN
    Complicatd your cowardice makes me sick. You don't have to apologize for us to the sepratists. We'll handle that our way. You accuse us of screaming and raving and not them. You obviously have never listened to french radio.
    You're recreant words smack of a Chamberlin who sought to appease the Nazis and when it blew up in his face he quit and ran away. We are not begging for peace from the francos. we want to let them know we will have it. In spite of guys like you. Incidntally, my words were not meant to be rude and obnoxious to the seps, they were meant for you, but the feelings of the majority on this line have floated over your head while you're too busy simperng for the seapratists. Ed

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  31. FROM ED BROWN
    The words of Julius Grey who specializes in Human rights.
    “The freedom of speech normally means freedom to say unpleasant terrible, tasteless, idiotic things, as well as freedom to say wise and pondered and well thought-out things,” he said.
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    game-tester-loses-job-over-hate-speech-against-marois-1.945792#ixzz266244Jfp

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    1. Unfortunately freedom of speech does not protect him from getting fired.

      It also does not protect someone's right to incite hate, riots, or violence; it is not an end-all be-all absolute, there are some limitations on it in order for us to live in a civilized manner.

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  32. Yes, how dare I speak my own language in my own home or to my children? God forbid, it is my right to do this, complicated? If you are Anglo why aren't you proud to be Anglo? I'm not ashamed that I'm Anglo and will not tell anyone I am ashamed of it no matter that they are the majority. Good for them - Anglos are the majority in Canada and North America but we don't shove it down Quebec's throat! In fact, the whole of Canada was made bilingual to help them keep their language but is this good enough? No - There is nothing but breaking up the country that's good enough so go - be gone - goodbye, farewell, adieu, aloha, we'll all be better off, especially financially. PARTITION ANYONE?

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  33. I live and work in English and don't have to speak one word of French in my day to day life. If someone requests assistance in French I will reply in French. On the other hand I am alot more likely to use English because of the imposition of bill 101.

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    2. That was done because again, we sat back and let them believe that it was OK. NO MORE.

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    3. THE LIBERAL PARTY is responsible for helping to create an acceptance of hatred for the English language by suggesting that Bill 101 be more rigidly enforced and hired more language police. This acceptance played into the PQ’s policy and confirmed that this sentiment was socially acceptable. Just like hating certain religions became the norm during a different period.

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  34. Writing to major U.S. newspapers' opinions & editorials pages is a good suggestions. There happens to be a piece in today's New York Times. Separatism is not well-regarded by Americans. We like to quote Abraham Lincoln, who said: "Those who deny others their freedom deserve it not for themselves."

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    1. "Separatism is not well-regarded by Americans."

      Vous devriez leur proposer de devenir des sujets de la reine d'Angleterre.

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    2. Editor: Perhaps we should be sending the Blog location to CTV, CBC, CNN and the New York Times - they can then check the Blog out for themselves and see the level of discontent that prevails in this province following the election. Anyone else have any suggestions as to whom we could send this info? I don't mind preparing a covering e-mail if the editor would like.

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    3. Great idea. The blog itself speaks volumes- and it mustn't stay in a vacuum.
      Why not try National Public Radio (NPR)? They may contact you folks for interviews.
      As for newspapers/e-news sources, the most respected are the NY Times, Washington Post, L.A. Times, Boston Globe, MSNBC, and hey- why not contact the progressive Huffington Post?

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    4. Votre assassin angryphoe a déjà fait le tour du monde.Pas besoin d'en rajouter.

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    5. Signez vos commentaires anonymous...Sinon Byebye :)

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    6. I paste the link in my trails around the net and ask them to expand the comments

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  35. FROM ED BROWN
    Yannick, I find "How did Homosexuals get their rights respected" a strange comparison. Are you suggestion we hold naked parades and say "If ya don't like us in your face, too bad we're here to stay. We are not getting in the seppies face. And I sure as hell won't parade naked, no one deserves to have to look at that. I will however stand my ground and say no when they try to push. If they find that insulting, tough luck Push harder and so will I.

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    1. Homosexuals are a tiny minority of whose rights depend on a great part on the good grace of the majority. That's all the comparison I wanted to make with the anglophone minority in Quebec.

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    2. 10% of the population is hardly a tiny minority...

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    4. That 10% that is often touted is unfortunately a gross exageration based on a shoddy methodology - read the Kingsley Reports to know more.

      If you want a better sample - a survey in 2003 of 135 000 Canadians found 1.3% of the population to self-identify as homosexual and 0.7% of the population to self-identify as bisexual, only 2% of the entire population being LBG, then. Yet they've made themselves heard nonetheless, because we live in a fair democracy that does not advocate the tyranny of the majority.

      More importantly, though, rights granted to homosexuals are not removed from heterosexuals - the fact that there is no true competition is why it's been comparatively more successful than, say, equality movements based on race, gender, or language.

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  36. Signed up for the New York Times and will send info on the Blog if the Editor agrees. Let me know.

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  37. Personally I think Bill 101 in in its present state is generally ok. I would have preferred that it didnt stipulate french to be larger than english but I can live with that. Francophones should have the right to be served in their language and to generally work in their language when they are the clear majority in this province.

    If the reverse was happening elsewhere in Canada I can guarantee you that anglophones would want restrictions. Can you imagine if most work in Canada was in french only and that most signs were in french only..do you really think anglos wouldnt complain and want to do something about it?? We are very fortunate as anglophones in the fact that our language is widespread all over the world. The french language in North America is essentially concentrated here in Quebec..french has declined substantially all over Canada and will do here if nothing is done to protect it. Most anglophones do not understand or even care about this reality and thats at the crux of the problme.

    We need to be careful at not alienating even more francophones against us. If we can act dignified and civilized then we will get their respect..constantly insulting and demonizing the PQ and Bill 101 is not the way to do it.

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    1. Complicated = I repeat, acting dignified and civilized has not worked in 40 years because to the PQ that is a sign of weakness and we get even less respect FOR OUR RIGHTS. There is not a Canadian to be had on this sight that said they couldn't live with Bill 101 as most of us have for years = we don't understand why it has to be modified in any way anymore to take away any more of OUR RIGHTS! What is it that you don't get? OMG why do you think Canada was made Bilingual? It was to protect Francophone Quebecers RIGHT TO SPEAK THEIR OWN LANGUAGE! If most of Canada did not understand that they would NOT HAVE MADE CANADA BILINGUAL! We are fighting to keep the rights we have under the Canadian Constitution to speak OUR LANGUAGE WHICH IS ENGLISH in this Province! Their minority rights are protected in the Rest of Canada but ours are not protected in this Province. WOW. DO YOU NOW SEE THE PROBLEM?

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    2. Complicated: "We need to be careful at not alienating even more francophones against us. If we can act dignified and civilized then we will get their respect".
      There is a term for that approach: it's called "appeasement", and I can't think of an example from history where it worked to the benefit of those who tried it. People earn respect by standing up for themselves, not by apologizing for their existence.

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    3. I agree with most of the Complicated said. What we need is partition. We need to a create a new, bilingual province. We should not alienate the future francophone citizens of the province, or the francophones from Quebec whose support we'll need to partition. We have to frame this as a win-win amiable resolution to a conflict that's been simmering for too long.

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  38. Yannick - if you are in NB you do not feel the same emotionally as we who reside in this province. Not the same situation so it's a lot easier for you to be detached. I would be detached also except this has been my home my whole life and I have many, many french friends that I don't want to look at and see some kind of hate come over their face because of this continuous onslaught of garbage that comes out of the mouths of these separatists about how horrible Anglophones are and how badly we have treated the French population.

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  39. Spot on sir....as a former Quebecer living in the USA, the Americans would be appalled en masse with the suppositions of Madame Marois

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  40. FROM ED BROWN
    Jean Charest did not order 101 strengthened. He was being bombarded on both sides and to quiet things down said it would stand as is. The ministery of the French language has a budget of it's own. The minister is Chrisatine St.Pierre, Minister of language and women. The QOLF is run by Loise Marchand the CEO who is in charge of hiring abd firing. She does not need Charest's permission to hire more languqage police, if her budget can handle it sho can do it.
    Complicated, you say you are ashamed to be an anglophone. We too, are ashamed that you are an anglophone. Ed

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  41. cutie - I wouldnt be too smug about your comment about francophone rights in the rest of Canada. Ask any francophone on how respected their rights are in the rest of Canada. Its common for francophones to not be served in french in federal government offices across the country..at border crossings..airports..airplanes and so on. Frankly anglophones in general have it pretty good here in Quebec even with Bill 101. I was amazed when I moved here from the west at how many large english organizations there were in Montreal..2 english universities for 700000 anglos is pretty impressive..english hospitals..english cegeps and school boards..english tv stations and so on for a relatively small english population. You make it sound like the anglos are so persecuted..I hear english more than french routinely on the west island and at least half the time downtown. if a francophone goes anywhere else in Canada good luck in them getting anywhere near the same services.

    What really annoys me with your attitude is that you arent willing to admit that perhaps the anglos are at least partially responsible for the tensions between the two groups. In your narrow minded view its only the francophones who are at fault. And on sites like this and in commentary in english media there is a real hatred beneath many of the comments towards the french community. I can guarantee you that this will only help elect a majority PQ government and thats what none of us want..

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    1. Whoops, try 2 English universities for 900 000 Anglophones, thanks to Bill 101 we took virtually all our businesses and a third of our people elsewhere. And yet the PQ says English is on the rise, pfff. Montreal was built almost entirely by the British, and it was a majority-English city for a very long time. If English is on the rise in Montreal, it's not a threat to the culture of the city, considering the fact the half of the city's culture was shaped by Anglophones. I will admit that Anglophones are partially responsible for the lingual tensions, as other users like Yannick have pointed out, things were historically tough for francophones in Montreal, but the exact same kinds of discrimination directed at a different group of people is considered all right? Two wrongs don't make a right!

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    2. Complicated,

      Those universities, hospitals and other english infrastructure didn't come falling from the sky it was built through the taxes, donations and grants made by that community. As for rights of Francophones outside Quebec, why not compare them to Anglos dispersed in the regions instead of Montreal where it is a more accurate comparison. You seem to like discounting obvious demographic realities. On the other hand I suspect you might also be Calgary Guy that use to show up with his smug comments and would cherry pick stats from all over. When eventually refuted so serverely Calgary Guy disappeared.

      Alot of comparisons are done for linguistic rights between Montreal and Toronto when a more accurate comparison would be Montreal and Ottawa or Montreal and Moncton.

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  42. Gerard Kennedy is the only person with the skills and morals to save the Libs. Jt has no filter when he shares on all communication medium's or the resume that matches Gerard's.

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  43. There shouldn't be any tension between the two cultures - why does there have to be? If you want to speak French, speak French, if we want to speak English we should be allowed to speak English without apology and it should work both ways. I don't need or want anyone to tell you what language to speak and I expect the SAME RIGHT. What is wrong with that? In my area, you can be sure that if some store personnel don't want to respond to me when I talk English, I will hop in my little car, drive 10 minutes and go to a store in Ontario that doesn't harbour some kind of grudge against me because I'm English! Can you imagine if all of us did that how long our stores would remain in business? They hire bilingual staff because they know they would not have our business without respect for our language. The rest of Quebec could well learn a lesson on bilingualism and the benefits instead of relegating themselves to a little corner or North America in their own so called utopia.

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    1. Partitions is a pipe dream..good luck with that one. You will end up with a civil war..you really think the francophones are going to just hand over Montreal to Canada..uh huh..

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    2. Oui, partionner, on va revendiquer toute l'Accadie (le "néo-Brunswick, la Nouvelle-Écosse, etc) pis tout l'Ontario Francaise et puis les villages "gaulois " répartis dans tout le reste du pays....excellente idée pis ensuite, on va vous ghettoiser à Westmount, ha ha!

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    3. La preuve qu'ils croient toujours que nous sommes un peuple stupide mais les idiots sont ceux qui parlent de partition sans même avoir l'ombre d'un parti politique.

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    4. Civil war! That'll solve the problem once and for all.

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    5. complicated, doesn't self-determination work both ways? You know, Montreal is a distinct society within qc so why not having the right to decide its own future? After all, Montreal cannot achieve its full economic, cultural and social potential as part of qc.

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    6. Je vous promets d’apprendre comment écrire « L’Acadie »… bof, je vous promets d’apprendre comment écrire en français tout cours avant de gâcher le pays pour promouvoir le français! Juré!

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  44. Je suis d'accord avec Yannick ici.

    Or adski a raison aussi; et probablement, Yannick serait d'accord avec lui: quand un candidat ou une candidate s'exprime une telle idée que les symboles seront aboli sauf par la symbole de la religion majoritaire, il faut se demander si ça ne croise pas un ligne marqué "un peu trop fasciste, peut-être...". Soit la réponse Oui ou soit-elle Non, il y avait raison a se demander.

    Peut-être. Honnêtement, je ne sais pas. Peut-être j'en suis un, moi. On ne sait jamais ce qu'on pourrait faire au pouvoir.

    Il peut être vrai, disons, qu'un ou une politicien(ne) soit nazi. Donc, c'est donnée au scénario que c'est honnête a le dire, mais serait-il utile a dire ainsi, servirait-il proprement en face d'une manque de la violence de la part de cette personne?

    Disons que M. Charest était vraiment un nazi. Sachant bien que le mot leve des soupçonnes de la part des modérés, et que la foule qui fréquent et aime ce "nazi" va seulement se facher, et qu'une personne facheuse ne peut jamais vous entendre?

    Néanmoins, adski a raison. Il faut qu'on demande, quelques fois en haut voix, "Est-ce un ou une nazi devant nous?". Chacun a son role.

    Cela étant dit, il faut que la situation aie un voix comme Martin Luther King, quelqu'un bilingue est positif.

    J'adore le Québec, vraiment, au fond de mon coeur. Mais je m'intéresse en la politique, juste un petit peu, et la politique au Québec est tellement negatif. Les anglos, les francos. La majoritaire de gens sont extremement chouette, et portent un point de vue relativement positif, et voudraient s'entendre, mais la dialogue, l'atmosphere parmi la politique, est toujours chargé de la négativité.

    Si c'est dans son coeur a dénoncer Mme. Marois en tant que nazi, je ne vous dirai pas a ne pas le dire en haut voix; mais je souhaite qu'une figure positive apparaisse au Québec. C'est la province la plus chouette, mais piegé dans un débat froid, coincé.

    Un jour, tout ça se passera. Un Martin Luther King sur la scene aidera tout ça a s'en sortir plus vite et avec moins de blessures et cicatrices.


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    1. Bonjour,

      vous semblez tout-à-fait raisonnable. Avez-vous déjà entendu parlé de l'idée de la paritition? Ceci permettrait au Quebec de se séparer du Canada, et de vivre 100% en francais. Ca permettrait aussi aux francophones, anglophones et allophones de Montreal, de l'Outatouais et du sud ouest du Quebec de vivre dans une nouvelle province bilingue. C'est la meilleure solution pour que tout le monde soit heureux, et vive en accord avec ses principes et convictions profondes. STP supportez la partition si elle devient une option politique. Merci de votre commentaire sensé.

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  45. "Separatism is not well-regarded by Americans."

    Vous devriez leur proposer de devenir des sujets de la reine d'Angleterre.


    LOL! Voila le mot juste! Il n'aime pas mon français mais au moins je puisse apprécier ses blagues.

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  46. I dont think anyone should tell us what language to speak. But I understand why the french are trying to protect their language..there are examples all over Canada where french has disappeared because we just let things be. Montreal is the last stand..francophones dont want to see this city go english like everywhere else and I can understand and sympathize with it. The PQ are correct in stating that english is on the rise in Montreal..francophones are down to 53 percent on the island and poised to drop below 50.

    Can you imagine if the percentage of anglophones in Toronto was around 50 percent..you think people wouldnt be upset there..I think they would. I see no problem with the PQ giving more points to francophone immigrants..of course native francophones are more likely to speak french. There is nothing radical about this..the english media is absolutely demonizing this policy but it makes sense.

    Overall I think we need to bring the tone down and get the emotions in check and lets have a civilzied debate instead of hurling insults at each other.

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    1. Bravo, ca c'est le gros bon sens!

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    2. I roll my eyes whenever I see any sort of language statistics that refer to the island of Montreal since this is a meaningless division. As soon as you see someone do this, you know the only reason they do it to dramatize the stats by overemphasizing the size of the anglo community by excluding francophone areas like Longueuil and Laval that are as close or closer to downtown than the West Island. By referring to the island rather than the region, they are obviously trying to be disingenous (if not downright deceitful). Francophones are moving to off-island suburbs, that’s it, that’s all. Anglophones have been here for 250+ years and don’t deserve being trampled on because of franco insecurity.

      As soon as one sees statistics regarding the island rather than the region of Montreal, I suggest that one remembers the maxim: " There are lies, damned lies, and statistics."

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    3. Funny you should mention Toronto and the percentage of anglophones. All you have to do is go onto the Statistics Canada website here: http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2006/dp-pd/prof/92-591/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=CSD&Code1=3520005&Geo2=PR&Code2=35&Data=Count&SearchText=Toronto&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=All&Custom= to see that as of 2006, mother tongue anglophones make up less than 50% of the population of Toronto. Obviously, this means that the future of Toronto as an anglophone city is in grave danger. I guess the Office of the English Language will have to be formed immediately and signs in Chinese, Punjabi etc. will have to be prohibited. To be on the safe side, Toronto schoolchildren should probably be prohibited from speaking languages other than English in the schoolyard.

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    4. Bravo, ca aussi c'est le gros bon sens!

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    5. "I dont think anyone should tell us what language to speak. But I understand why the french are trying to protect their language"

      Anywhere else this might make sense, but here refusing to be told what language to speak and being on board with protecting Fr is like trying to square the circle. It's because insinuation, suggestion, and even an occasional clear statement (Lisee, Perrault) as to what language you should speak is an integral part of "protecting the language". Here, "protection of language" is not a defensive effort (there are no hordes of En-speakers amassing on QC borders), it's a preemptive one (the hordes, although quiet and uninterested for now, may strike at any moment, so we better go after them where we can).

      So you can't just say you won't be told what language to speak. If you do, then you contradict the very idea of QC's way of "protection of the language" and stand accused of being "not understanding" and having "une mauvaise foi". If on the other hand you choose to open up your reserves of "understanding", then get ready to be told in what language to speak. So one or the other. Not both.

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  48. Gentlemen,
    We need to tone down the rhetoric - there will be no language war unless we ask for it. This is not 1976.

    The coming battle with the new government is being prepared as we speak and this battle will be won or lost before it is even started. We know the tactics of this government - they are the same ones used over thirty years age. In case we forget, it goes like this: Make a bunch of ridiculous demands to Ottawa, for which you know the answer will be "No". Simultaneously create panic in the francophone community by community by showing French is on the verge of being wiped out in Montreal. Launch an attack on the Anglophone community by cranking up the number of language inspectors while barring access to English education. You can figure out the rest.

    To win this battle, we, (including Anglos, Allos, and francophones who are fed up with this insanity), need to outsmart the hate-spreaders in power. Allophones and Anglos represent about 20% of Quebec's population - 95% are not separatists. Francophone's represent 80% of the population. A little less than half of them, representing about 35% of the total population, support the separatists and their tactics. Therefore there are about two separatists per one Allo/Anglo.

    To win the battle, these are the people we need to influence. It is not by leaving Quebec or telling outsiders to destroy our economy that we will get anywhere. We need to show leadership and the virtues of the Anglo-sphere. Let's be clear -we do not want Quebecers to become Anglos, we simply want them to stop believing that Anglos are here to destroy their culture and wipe out their language. The best way to do this is to expose them to the world outside Quebec, and ideally, give them an opportunity to want to at least learn English so they can be functional, and therefore stop fearing it.

    If every Allo/Anglo in Quebec took it upon himself or herself to show just two separatists how unhealthy and unproductive it is to spend your life disliking your fellow citizen, we could end this madness. The day the separatists are shrunk down to 15-20% of the population (by change of opinion), all of Quebec will benefit.

    You can do your part. Go see a Quebec movie (they are actually better than most movies coming out of Hollywood). Watch a few Quebec shows and listen to French radio and learn a few tunes. Then talk to your Francophone neighbours and workmates. Speak to them in French and show how you are aware of their culture - and be sincere. Then talk to them about how you spent your summer vacation in Virginia Beach, and winter vacation in Barbados. Tell them how your kids are fluently bilingual. You will be surprised at how this wakes people up when they see you can travel anywhere and that your kids can go to English school while theirs can't. I know this first-hand as I once lived in Chicoutimi. I was seen as fish bait ready to be fed to the sharks when I moved there. Within three months I had people begging me to teach them English and others swearing their kids would learn English and not be unilingual like them.

    It's up to us to lead and not let ourselves be caught in another trap this time around. Do your part.

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  49. FROM ED BROWN
    Mich you're right on with Gerard Kennedy. When he was up for leadrship of the Liberal party I couldn't believe the contrast to Dian and Rae. The others spoke well and left. When he spoke he came across like a statesman. He had a vision for Canada. Bu unfortunately the Quebec/Ontario gang didn't want anyone outside the box. I'd voye for him anytime.
    Complicated, Montreal is English. You aand the seps don't bother checking facts. Look at the election results. All the island is red' Ed

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  50. Trois universités québécoises dans un classement international

    l'Université de Montréal,l'Université Laval et L'Université...McGill (?)

    http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/education/201209/10/01-4572797-trois-universites-quebecoises-dans-un-classement-international.php

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    1. M.I.T… #1
      Cambridge… #2
      McGill… #18 au monde… #1 au Canada!
      Université de Montréal… #114
      Université Laval… #324

      J’adore! :)

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  51. From the dread.

    I think Complicated is one of those self-loathing anglo apologists and closet separatists who support Bill 101 vigorously and probably voted for the PQ during the last Election Day. Judging from what he writes, he sounds like a Pro-Franco and an Anti-Anglo fanatic, and he denies the fact that Montreal is a bilingual city. I assume he was probably one of those troublemakers who took part in those protests a few months ago and likely pulled shit around as he went along in his rampage. I’ll even bet ya that he’s a student attending UQAM, where he probably got spoon-fed with loads of separatist propaganda during class time, and which explains why he is so f@#$ up in the head….his name defines him pretty well…

    On a final note…Who knows! He probably shares the same computer with S.R and the same bed as well….

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  53. I think a CAQ/Liberal coalition is a terrible, terrible, terrible idea. I don't care how hard Legault campaigned for the Anglo vote, the CAQ is a separatist party, bottom line. They want to toughen Bill 101 and they want a referendum, period. There is no way I would support such a coalition. It was a minor loss for the Liberals, nothing more. It is very unlikely that Marois' anti-English, anti-Religion plans will work out the way she hopes. The last thing Quebec needs is the Liberals working with a separatist party.

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    1. The CAQ's hardline position on language may have been a red herring. It's important to note who the CAQ was going after (vote wise). They were a new party trying to build a base among soft Nationalists that drift between the PEQs and Libs. Sadly for us English speaking citizens, the way you do that is to beat up on les maudites Anglais. It's standard Quebec politics 101 (pun intended). If you were a campaign manager quarterbacking a new political entity in a Quebec election (morals aside) you'd be a damm fool not to court the majority French speaking population. Now, it's also important to note who Legault picked as the CAQ's second banana, none other than ultra-federalist and Order of Canada recipient Jacques (Eliot Ness) Duchesneau. If Legault wanders a bit too far on Seperatist politics, I'm quite sure he'll be reeled back in by his second in command. Ideally we'd see a power play develop where the new Liberal leader is chosen TOUT SUITE and he gives Legault and his team choice cabinet positions in a new coalition government. The Liberals and the CAQ are on the same page on a lot of issues. They just need to convince the population in a very un-Machiavellian way that this is the best route for Quebec and that the PQ are a bunch of bumbling nincompoops, which is not completely outside the realm of possibility.

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  54. Well, well, well.....I came across this blog totally by accident while looking for Matante Pauline's middle name. I can't even remember why I was doing that now.
    Loved the comment about PKP and his Pauline Marois ass-kissing wife Julie Snyder. With all the talk in the french media about Québec bashing in the ROC, I wonder, do they not realize that the worst of it is, in fact, to be found in and on PKP's very own properties. The Sun newspaper chain and of course that most horrid of t.v. channels Sunnewsnetwork.
    What is the man's real goal ? Is he actually attempting a "divide and conquer" strategy or is it strictly a market control endeavor. Or is it a bit of both or neither.
    PKP is a bit of a Murdoch lite in my opinion so that would direct me to the divide and control for ultimate power possibility....but, what the hay.
    Does this bug anybody else ? Thoughts ?
    Thanks.

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    1. You're absolutley right. I've commented online a few times on Quebec-/francophone- bashing stories in the Ottawa Sun that the person who wrote the article is employed by a separatist, good ol' PKP. Divide and conquer is right....and sadly, the people on both sides of the linguistic divide most likely to be influenced by PKP's language-hostilities agenda are the least likely to be able to read the trash coming from the other side and figure out we have a modern day Citoyen Kane stirring the pot.

      Ontario Anglo

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  55. DEAR READERS
    Due to an elevated amount of abuse, I shall be pre-moderating comments in the near time.
    This will mean a delay before your comments appear.

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  56. Sorry, I probably should have introduced myself to the room.
    An anglophone born and bred in the city of Montreal. (St. Mary's, to be exact) When I was a kid in school, the anglos would say "french pea soup" and the francos would respond with "English go home". Hah...That's telling for a couple of reasons. Anyway some of the english kids grew up, learned french and chose to stay and love the city and the province. I can't imagine myself living anywhere else. In so many ways I couldn't be prouder of Quebec. And I buy the "Quebec sait faire".
    But damn, damn, damn.....it drives me crazy to see such a small minority cause so much bad blood. Everytime I hear a Pequiste or a surrogate denigrate the anglos or the allos I want to scream. It is not good for the blood pressure.
    Anyway, enough said. You get the general picture

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  57. Pauline is already making friends with some Western Canucks: Danielle Smith from Alberta's Wildrose sees the PQ as a potential ally: “I’m hoping that Alberta and Quebec can work collaboratively with a Prime Minister who I think, quite frankly, shares a vision of a more decentralized country,” Smith said.

    “This could, in some ways, be very positive. Not only for Quebec but also for Alberta.”

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    1. The Wildrose is Alberta's PQ. Alberta knows they're insane. Plus, one of their platforms was to cut off Federal funding to Québec. How hilarious is it that Marois is looking for help from them?

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  58. One small problem is that Wildrose is about as far right as you can go and the PQ is on the opposite side of the bird.

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  59. Everyone get on to Danielle Smith's website and tell her to stick to her own area (Alberta)

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    1. e-mailed her and told her to stand up as a Canadian and support the Canadians that live in this mess of a Province. Not to use us in her political games with the Feds. Everyone should do the same.

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  60. Well well I see its been a lively discussion since last evening. First of all I am not a radical fanatic..I am an anglophone from western Canada transplanted here 10 years ago. I have family who are francophone so I have some insight from that side. I am quite bilingual..I am totally against the student movement in which they terrorized citizens downtown for months. I think tuition should be doubled in Quebec over the next 5 years so that we the taxpayer are not again paying the vast chunk of the bill. On another note why is it that the media makes it sound like a done deal that the tuition fees will be frozen when Quebecers voted 58 percent in favor of the Libs and CAQ who both would increase fees.
    I have perhaps been somewhat provocative in my statements. But I have argued with more francophones than anglophones on language issues. There is definitely a hard core francophone view which thinks the anglos are a huge threat and I get the impression they will only be truly satisfied when most anglos move out of Montreal and they very well get their wish at some point.

    However over the past few weeks I have been somewhat dismayed at the strong rhetoric coming from the anglophone side. As I noted earlier some people have been downright rude such as beryl wasjman, and many comments in newsppapers and blos particualrily from the ROC have been overly nasty. We keep being told lately that Canada doesnt care if Quebec goes yet judging by the nastiness of their comments they are lying. We need the soft nationalist francophone vote in the next election which could come as early as spring 2013 otherwise the PQ could easily win a majority..all they really need is another 40000 votes or so and they will get their 9 extra seats..in fact all they really need are 7 more seats as they would combine with quebec solidaire to form a government.

    So ranting and raving and insulting anyone who supports Bill 101 and the dominance of french on Montreal Island is not going to help our cause. Keep in mind that the Liberals have no leader and there is no saviour waiting in the wings plus the Charbonneau commission is likely to be quite damnikng against them. Plus not sure the CAQ can get that many more votes within 6 months. On top of it the PQ wants to pick a fight with Harper..the earlier they get a majority the more time they will have to antagonize Mr.Harper. Hence I see Mme.Marois attempting to force another election in the spring since she probably will be at an advantage. Plus with our crazy Mr.Bain there will more insinuations that anglos are intolerant and dangerous and this may also come into play to push more francophones to vote for Mme.Marois.

    So the bottom line is that this is NOT the time to inflame already strained relations between the anglo and francophone community. The worst thing that could happen is that we end up with a PQ majority governemnt in 6 months..the goal is to do whatever it takes to avoid this. Hence we need to be respectful and civilized in our conduct.

    Good point about the mother tongue in Toronto..I was surprised at that stat but it is real. But french is in a much more precarious state than english so I still understand the fears of francophones in that regard.

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  61. Meh. Many anglos of today's generation don't know or care about the history of language laws in Québec. They're too apathetic to stand up for themselves. The most hardcore of the old guard are done or have left, much like Galganov.

    Plus, many of the most tolerant of soft nationalists figure we have ''too many'' rights regarding language anyhow. Add that on to the misinformation and false statistics that the franco media constantly spews at the already ignorant majority, and you can see why everyone thinks we're a bunch of whiners.

    Plus, Mr. Psycho-Bain really did hurt us very badly in the eyes of francophones, as did much of the more outspoken anglo reactions. Because they're fed lies and are generally extremely ignorant towards the actual effects of Bill 101, francophones really don't have the slightest fucking clue what we're making such a big fuss about. The way they see it, we're the ones with all the rights (which is true concerning education anyhow), and may see us as many of the population saw the sepster student protests... an annoyance to be dealt with ASAP.

    I hate seps just as much as the next guy, but I can't hate francophones merely because they're francophones, and I can't defend the words or actions of the more militant anglos any more than they can defend their idiotic, racist PQ government.

    They way I see it, the common people, regardless of mother tongue, really don't have much of a say in the matter. If the Liberals don't get it together, we're screwed. The CAQ is really just a thinly-disguised sep party aimed at the soft nationalist vote.

    I disagree with the comments saying that the Liberals don't care about sovereignty. They don't care in the slightest about anglos, but they're not so stupid as to believe that they're better off without the Federal gov't's money.

    Honestly, why don't we slash the pay and pensions for politicians in Québec. See how many seps will be lining up to ''fight for the cause'' then.

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    1. I would love to see any of these separatists (or any politician for that matter) raise the s--- that they do if it was on a volunteer basis but e.g. look at Mr. Duceppe - do you think he turns down his pension check each month from the ROC? Ha.
      @complicated - civil war is what we're trying to prevent and if partition of the province takes place (which is bound to happen) in a 50+1 situation, then Quebec cannot control the outrage that will happen if 49% of the population do not want to stay in a utopia controlled Quebec. Again - 75 Federal districts - 75 referendums under the Clarity Act (clear question, clear majority, all legal, all outcomes accepted by the rest of the World) and this nonsense would end once and for all. Canadians (Francos,Allophones and Anglophones) retain their land and the rest is Quebec's to do with as they may. If Montreal is part of Canada, it would be democratic and acceptable to all - therefore avoiding civil war. Only sensible way out of this! I hope it happens quickly and we can all go our separate ways.

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    2. I think its incredibly naive to think this would happen so smoothly as you put it. There would be legal battles that would go on for years and the final result could easily go against partition. In the meantime the economy of Quebec will end up more or less like Greece..with riots breaking out between the english and the french. It will be total chaos. At this point the reality facing us in the face is a PQ majority potentially next year.

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  62. I'm not worried about ''civil war'', that won't happen. The idea of one is kind of a ridiculous notion. The seps fight through making laws that favour their ideals. Unless they make it legal to go around slaughtering ethnics and anglos, (which they won't, by the way) it won't ever come to violence.

    Which doesn't solve much, especially not in this situation.

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    1. Do you know that we had civility in this province for the past 9-10 years because no one (NO ONE) was provoking anyone such as the separatists have done by again threatening to increase the scope of Bill 101 - and why? Because it suits their purpose to irritate the Federal Government as a means to an end to separate. Unfortunately, they get the backs of separatist Francophones up by telling them, always, that their language is under threat. This is not true but the French media play it up and off we go again. This will not end until a peaceful partition of the Province takes place, and without partition, civil war is definitely a very real possibility. Social engineering by the PQ Government is what is causing all the problems and they must be stopped before there is real violence in this Province. Peaceful partition please.

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  63. You aand the seps don't bother checking facts. Look at the election results. All the island is red' Ed

    Ah, je trouve que la ville a beaucoup du français actuellement. Touts mes endroits préférés y existe en français. Si on vie dans un quartier anglais et y reste beaucoup de temps, peut-;être il semblait ainsi.

    Je serai vraiment vraiment triste si Montréal s'angliciserait un jour; je crois que beaucoup de monde bien a l'exterior du Quebec le regrettait tant que moi.

    J'aime bien ces commentaires de Montréal1973, ce type a du bon sens. L'attitude d'autant d'anglais peut devenir plus postif envers la langue francaise.

    Peut-être Cutie pensera qu'on ne peut jamais insister sur une langue, et je suis d'accord.

    Mais je crois que la racine du probleme est que trop de fois, trop d'anglais ont failli a reconnaitre le Canada-francais comme un frere égal, un jumeau avec tous les droits et moyens du jumeau anglais, mais comme un cadet, un petit enfant.

    Le sentiment de sentir pressé a vivre en francais vient d'un sentiment d'être negligé.

    Peut-être on dirait que les anglais qui ont traité l'existence francais comme une chose irritante sont aujourd'hui morts, qu'on n'a jamais détesté les francais, etc. Je comprend tout cela, mais il faut reconnaitre que les ancêtres linguistiques des anglophones actuels ont souvent negligés les peurs et les besoins du Canada-francais, et je gagerait qu'une majorité des soi-disants séparatistes quebecois sont en fait des canadiens trop décus. Le Canada n'ayant pas leur apprécié assez, ils ont tourné leurs passions envers le Québec au lieu.

    C'est peut-être un anglicisme, mais moi, je devinerait que les sentiments des séparatistes avaient été tellement blessés par la négligence du français, que ses peurs de la disparation du francais ont été tout a fait ignorés, qu'ils qqf paniquent un peu en essayant de protéger ce qu'ils voient comme un culture en risque.

    Laissant les hardcores qui voudraient que vous pensier et que vous vivriez en francais entierement, et regardant seules la majoritaire des gens francophones au Québec, ne sont ils pas, comme tout le monde sur la Terre, tres flattés lorsqu'on a pris un intérêt de plus entendre sur eux, et de s'intéresser en apprenant assez de leur langue de faire un brin de causette, ice et la? Si on sait tres bien comment plaire, comment flatter, si facilement, un autre, mais ne s'y intéresse jamais, on dirait qu'on n'aime pas cet autre.

    Vraiment, je peux vous dire que je connais plus de gens a Toronto qui s'intéresse au français que je connais a Montréal. C'est bien sûr votre droit a vivre ainsi, évidement. Cela était dit, je suis simplement curieux a vous demander pourquoi vous ne vous intéressez en une telle langue, historique, mondiale, contemporain, plein de grand penseurs? Pourquoi pas? Vos avis m'intéresseraient, si vous seriez d'accord a les partager.

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  64. FROM ED BROWN
    The problem that sepratists won't accept with language is that it should happen naturally. Everyone should be able to speak the language of his choice and learn another if he chooses. That is the way it worked all over the world. People in distant countries speak English mainly because English troops were stationed there. Indians have perfect English from the British being there and even have a British accent. People in Japan/China/Korea/Vietnam learned English during the wars and today find it handy
    to use everywhere. Their English connection has helped make countries like Japan and China rich. The swiss have three official Languages but for simple stret communication the three are morphing into one.
    That's how we got along when I was growing up in the forties and fifties . We talked a mixture of Franglais and there was very ittle animosity. Sometimes the kids would use the words french frog but
    our parents usually condemned that. English was taking the lead quite naturally because the institution were all created by English people. The french seemed happy to sit back and let us take the lead. People lived in peace until Rene Levesque convinced the French they were not happy. Many of the francophones at the time didn't know what he was talking about. After he lost the first election he needed a cause and we were it. We becaume the cause of all their problems, as Parizeau so succinctly put it. We the rich minority were the reason they (the french) couldn't have their way. It never occured to any of them that there must be some french people voting against them. As they managed to convince more followers the hatred of anglos grew quite naturally. It is so engrained now that most seps believe it and see us as the enemy. It annoys me when people say we English should have done more at the time but that's another story. Ed

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    1. The problem is that it has never, up to now, "happened naturally". Are you unaware of all the institutionalized pressure that anglophones have put in place in various British-Empire or formerly British-Empire states around the world?

      For instance, Louisiana lost it's Francophone population because of a state-enforced ban on the teaching and speaking of French in public schools in the early 1900's. It took many generations, but now there is hardly anyone that remains who has French as a mother tongue.

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    2. I think you are somewhat biased on your views of the world back in the forties and fifties. I have spoken to many francophones who grew up in that time period and they were quite angry at how they often had no services in english..how the english rarely made an effort to speak french..how they had to speak in english at work even though they were in the majority. I also have francophone members of my family who grew up in Manitoba in the 1940s and they had to hide their french textbooks at school as they were only allowed to be taught in english. Its very easy for anglophones to use the argument that we should let things evolve ``naturally``. Thats what we have done in the rest of Canada and french has been on a constant decline..if you dont support it then the sea of anglophones in North America will eventually extinguish it.
      The american culture is widespread all over the world with their powerful marketing forces..is it so horrible to try to preserve another culture..one that is still dominant in Quebec. The only way to do so is with measures like Bill 101. If Bill 101 never existed I will guarantee you that Montreal would be 80 percent english by now. Once english takes over Montreal then the rest of Quebec will be in serious trouble with respect to the french language given the dominance of Montreal within the province.

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  65. Just heard on the radio that former Justice minister Jean-Marc Fournier was to be chosen as an interim leader and a leadership race be launched as soon as possible.

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