Wednesday, September 12, 2012

A Case of Bad Taste All Around

Spare me the sanctimonious outrage at the funny remark made by one unlucky sap on Facebook named Blake Marsh, a now-former tester at Eidos Montreal who posted this on his Facebook page;

"You just can't find good assassins these days!" 

Actually it's quite a funny line, I don't care what anyone says.

Telling jokes about dark and tragic situations is a time honoured tradition called gallows humor
in French, rire jaune, and in German Galgenhumor.
"It is argued that gallows humor often occurs in societies whose inhabitants have limited means of expressing discontent, yet in which significant discontent is experienced. In these instances gallows humor can provide an outlet for airing subjects which people may feel is safer than open dialogue.
Pauline Marois is utterly detested in the English community, an enmity that is profound and deep and there is nothing strange or outlandish about the statement or the joke, it may not be your cup of tea, but the righteous moral indignation is just as bad.

Those who don't like it, don't have to listen.

"I give this bitch a month before someone with better aim comes forth and does what must be done."

Substitute the words 'this bitch' with a name like 'Bashir Assad' and I doubt anybody would consider it hate speech at all.
And, no, I'm not comparing Marois to Assad at all, I'm just making the point that changing the name of the target of a barb, doesn't turn hate speech into justifiable commentary and if one isn't hate, neither is the other.

So everybody climb down from your high horse, we still have freedom of speech and wishing someone would kill Bashir Assad is not an incitement for anyone to do so.
Same goes for Pauline Marois.

If everybody on Facebook who wished someone dead were prosecuted, our courts would be overflowing. What Blake Marsh said falls well within the parameters of free speech.

If and when Blake Marsh publishes a want ad for a hit man to undertake a contract to kill Marois on his behalf, the police would be rightfully justified in arresting him, that is the  difference.

Until then, all you complainers need a lesson in civics.

I don't usually quote from the comments section, I was going to use this quote from Julius Grey, one of Quebec's most renowned advocates for free speech, but Ed Brown beat me to it, so the credit for the 
re-quote goes to him ;
"FROM ED BROWN The words of Julius Grey who specializes in Human rights. “The freedom of speech normally means freedom to say unpleasant terrible, tasteless, idiotic things, as well as freedom to say wise and pondered and well thought-out things,” he said. Ed game-tester-loses-job-over-hate-speech-against-"

The same goes for  the notorious web site ParkAvenueGazette.com where  Colonel James Angus Brown calls on Canadian society to change its laws and make sedition a hanging offence, making Pauline Marois and her ilk prime candidates for the noose. It's his opinion.

If the police couldn't press charges then (and rightfully so) this case pales by comparison.

As a former boss, I know how hard it is to fire an employee with three years on the job and I have no doubt that the company over-reacted.
I think Mr. Blake has a legitimate case for wrongful termination and/or reinstatement and I hope he doesn't take his abrupt termination lying down.


Making politcal hay
Speaking of bad taste, I was thoroughly disgusted at the politicization of the funeral of the poor fellow killed at the Metropolis, Denis Blanchette.

It was a political event extrodinaire, where the PQ undertone and presence was all meant to dress up Mr. Blanchette as the victim of Anglo hate.

Pauline insisted on elevating a senseless murder into a political event as she assiduously worked the crowd outside the church, shaking hands with the hoi-polloi with a great big smile, like the seasoned politician that she is.

Pauline glad-handing outside funeral. Always time for politics!
Once she elevated the affair to a 'civic' funeral, federal politicians scurried to attend, not wanting to be left out, the whole proving that politicians are whores, regardless of affiliation.

They reminded me of the insufferable Brian Mulroney who at the funeral of Jean Charest's father which I attended, spent the entire time shaking hands with a wide grin on his mug, as if the whole affair was a personal photo-op.

Inside the Montreal church, the sad spectacle of $3,000 suits worn by the politicos contrasted sharply with the bereaved family, most of whom who could not afford a simple sports coat, some wearing t-shirts.

The real mourners
There they were in all their splendour, the PQ leadership, milking the death of this poor unfortunate  for all the political capital they could muster.
I actually saw PQ wunderkind  Léo Bureau-Blouin on TV sharing a big smile with someone inside the church. I guess he was really shook up.

How broken up was Pauline Marois over the death of Denis Blanchette?
She couldn't even remember his name, pronouncing his name as Denis "Blan-chay" in an interview on TVA. Link{Fr}

What a sick and sad spectacle.

The 'civic' funeral was nothing more than a PQ rally, a reminder to the faithful that the evil Anglos are always out to harm the faithful.

Think I'm exaggerating?

Where was the state funeral for the murdered children of nut bar Guy Turcotte and where were the state funerals for the multitude of others murdered at the hands of the deranged?

What made this death so special? I'll let readers mull over that.

Do you remember these names, Joëlle Laliberté, Marc-Ange Laliberté and Louis-Philippe Laliberté, the children killed in a bizarre murder/suicide pact made by their parents, all because they were broke.
State funeral there?
Nope, in fact the mother Cathy Gauthier Lachance, who survived her suicide attempt spent just four months in a psych ward before being freed. (but that is another Quebec story).

I somehow don't think that Richard Bain will be that lucky, do you?

How about a state funeral for another wrong-place/wrong-time innocent victim. Where was the state funeral for the poor fellow killed by an errant shot by the Montreal police who were so intent on confronting a homeless wacko with a knife that they opened fire wildly on the street with deadly consequeneces.
No state funeral or big crowd at the funeral of Patrick Limoges
Does anyone even remember the name of that poor soul? His name was Patrick Limoges and not too many officials showed up to his funeral, as if it was his own fault for embarrassing the police and the state. Link

At least Mario Bealieu, the blowhard head of the SSJB had the decency to say what Pauline and the civic funeral intimated, that the English media was responsible for creating a climate of hate towards the poor francophone majority and are responsible for what happened. Link{Fr}

According to the narrative, Quebecers are the victims, not the oppressors.

I have no problem with Quebecers promoting their language and culture, it is when they rob others of their culture, to satisfy their own selfish needs that it becomes problematic.

Mr. Beaulieu and his ilk are nothing more than linguistic vampires, sucking out the lifeblood from our community to satisfy their bloodlust.
There is nothing noble or normal about that.
 
Too bad that they are offended when we call them out for what they are. Xenophobes and thieves.

As for Pauline, what can I say about a women who exploits the unfortunate death of a wrong-place, wrong-time innocent for crass political gain.
I suppose in all honesty every other politician would have done the same, somehow we expect better from women, which admittedly is a sexist notion, beyond belief.

What we view as neccessary qualities in male political leaders - cunning, ruthlessness and ambition we somehow view as unseemly for female politicians.

Give Pauline her due, she got to where she is on her own guile and determination, she didn't have much help from the insipid and disloyal PQ caucus.

She is a force unto herself and truthfully, that's what makes her so damn scary.

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  1. Strange that there were no civic funerals for the victims of the FLQ.

    Wilfred Vincent O'Neil was the first to die at the hands of the FLQ. Wilfred Vincent O'Neil, 65, was a night watchman at an army recruiting centre in Montreal. He died April 20, 1963, when a terrorist bomb blew up in his face. He was one month away from his pension.

    On April 19, 1964, some of the FLQ raided a gun shop in Montreal for weapons. They murdered store manager Leslie MacWilliams, 56. Has Michaelle Jean ever toasted Mr.MacWilliams' memory?

    The FLQ sent a bomb to La Grande, a Quebec shoe manufacturer, to show their solidarity with the union that was having some troubles with management. Therese Morin, 64, the secretary to the general manager was killed when it exploded in the office May 5, 1965. She had just returned from lunch. Will we see a Lafond documentary about innocent Quebecers like her murdered by his pals?

    Mrs. St. Germaine, 50, was third to die at the hands of the terrorists. She was an operator in the communications centre. Two others were injured. Bruce Vallance was one of the survivors.The FLQ terrorists were reportedly shocked and ashamed by the death of watchman O'Neil. They didn't want to kill innocents. But as the years went on, they grew hardened by the carnage.

    Canada recoiled in 1963 when Sgt. Major Walter Leja, 42, had both hands blown off as he was trying to defuse the last of three FLQ bombs in a mailbox in the Westmount region of Montreal. The bombers were just warming up.

    In 1966 a manifesto " Revolutionary Strategy and the Role of the Avant-Garde", prepared by the FLQ laid out a strategy of bank robberies, bombings and kidnappings leading to a Marxist revolution.

    3 years later they were well into their plan when they placed a bomb in the visitors gallery of the Montreal Stock Exchange in the midst of 300 people. 27 were injured, and amazingly no one died. By then the FLQ wasn't even trying to minimize casualties.

    By June, 1970, the FLQ was planning the kidnapping of foreign diplomats. Plots against the U.S. consul and the Israeli consul were broken up. The British diplomat Robert Cross was kidnapped; he was rescued. And finally Quebec Labour Minister Pierre Laporte was kidnapped and murdered--and the government finally stopped their reign of terror.


    From: http://blackrod.blogspot.ca/2005/08/history-lesson-for-paul-martin-about.html

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    1. Weren't these murderers and terrorists hailed as "hero's and political prisoners" by the sick minds of the separatists. Didn't they go off on a holiday to enjoy their freedom and then sneak back into Canada with no fanfare and some of them are still involved in politics? If they were Anglophone or Allophones or Jewish, or East Indian, or self-proclaimed Canadians, would they not still be in jail for a life sentence for murder? You're darn right they would! Again, hind sight being 20/20, when they returned to Canada we should have been on the streets demanding life sentences for the murders they committed. We can not afford to sit back anymore because everyone else in Canada thinks we condone this behaviour. We have to start getting publicity for our cause and a Partition Party on the go to get rid of these maniacs.

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    2. Cutie, to use an old, old expression made famous by Rowan and Martin: You bet your sweet bippies those who are not Québécois pur laine would have been treated completely differently--far, FAR more harshly! This is why Quebec is the sociopolitical cesspool it is. Even Karla Homolka lives in complete peace in Quebec. She won't DARE set foot in Ontario on pain of being identified, unless she's been disguising herself very well to do so.

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    3. Let us not forgot other examples of Quebec being a cesspool safe haven for criminals, sociopaths and sick inhuman scum. Case in point, Normand Girard, a pur laine Quebecois man who sadistically, using a nail gun, drove nails through the skulls of a puppies and their mother. Then threw them in a road side ditch (in the middle of winter!) to slowly suffer and die.

      http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2011/01/07/animal-cruelty-quebec.html

      What happened when he was caught and taken to court? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, NADA. Two years probation where he is not allowed to have a dog, and a few hours of community service. I wonder if it had anything to do with this being a Quebecois judge, passing sentence on a Quebecois man. Disgusting doesn't cut it, this is the kind of thing that deserves international attention and expose Quebec for what it is.

      Anywhere else in the civilized world, including CANADA (which Quebec prides itself on not being a part of) this piece of sub-human shit for a man would have been fined to the point of bankruptcy. Then locked away in jail for a very, very, long time, where he belongs and should rot. It should be noted people that commit such heinous and cruel acts to animals, often move on to people, becoming serial murders.

      Bad enough Quebec seems to pride itself on having little to no animal protection laws, likely THE worst place in the civilized world towards the mistreatment and abuse of animals.

      Oh, and it was not a surprise to hear a former Nazis S.S. guard, responsible for the murder of thousands of Jews during the second world war, has been hiding out in Quebec for decades. Welcome aboard, this is Quebec after all.

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    4. AppleIIGS, unfortunately, Canada as a whole has a poor record for cruelty to animals, but Quebec is the worst of the bad lot. I think the maximum penalty for animal cruelty is two years and/or a few thousand dollars fine, i.e., it could be both.

      At one point, I think it was Ontario that at one time had these so-called hunting "camps" where there were animals in a confined area (fenced in) and customers could pay to "hunt" the animals on the property. Because the animals were confined, they were more often that not cornered and then killed. This is NOT sporting, it's downright reprehensible that these "camps" were allowed to exist is an atrocity in itself. Thankfully the end of the Mike Harris government meant the end of this despicable practice. Then again, the Mike Harris government didn't care much about human beings let alone animals! Nevertheless, between Harris and Marois, I'll take Harris everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.

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    5. Actually, in addition to the above, I forgot to mention the anti-Sematism of Lionel Groulx, written at length in the late Mordechai Richler's book Oh Canada! Oh Quebec! Too, Richler mentioned another rabid anti-Semite who sprewed his vitriol weekly over the radio waves. I combed through the book, but could not find the swine's name, another sick «Québécois pur laine»!

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    6. I’d also like to remind readers that the Editor has also written a couple articles about the victims of the FLQ, including a post from a reader of this blog who stated:

      "My father's uncle is Wilfred Vincent O'Neil who was killed by the FLQ! It's too bad what happen back then as our family still misses him yet today! "

      Posted by Crystal O'Neil (Gaspesie,QC) Jan.05/11 The War Measures Act- 40 Years Later


      The bomb that killed Wilfred O’Neil was made by Raymond Villeneuve, the PQ volunteer who, finding it not radical enough to his liking, later founded the Mouvement de Libération Nationale du Québec after the 1995 referendum. He is alive and free today.

      On his page Who is the Real Terrorist? , the Editor wrote:
      Today these deaths are largely forgotten and even Quebec schools make sure to gloss over the FLQ.
      It's little wonder, as the author of the actual book used to teach history has characterized the death of Pierre Laporte at the hands of the terrorists 'accidental' and that the other deaths were 'collateral damage.' LINK
      In Quebec, especially among young francophones, the FLQ is nothing more than folklore, its barbaric image successfully rehabilitated by sympathetic journalists who have contributed to a historical makeover par excellence.
      A review of the French press will reveal that the word 'terrorist' is never used to describe the members of the FLQ, with the sanitized term of 'felquiste' (FLQer) much preferred. The political revisionism is reminiscent of Stalinist apologists who created the myth for decades that 'Uncle Joe' was a swell guy.



      Leslie MacWilliams was not the only victim during the botched gun robbery of August 29, 1964. It resulted in two deaths. Cyr Delisle, Gilles Brunet, Marcel Tardif, François Schirm, and Edmond Guenette, the five members arrested in connection with the deaths of Leslie MacWilliams and Alfred Pinisch, workers at the store, were sentenced to life in prison.

      To add more detail, Walter (Rocky) Leja (1921–1992) was a Canadian military hero who dismantled two separatist bombs hidden in a mailbox at the corner of Lansdowne and Westmount Avenue in 1963. A third bomb cost Leja most of his left arm. His face and chest were crushed. He suffered brain damage, lost the ability to speak and became paralyzed on his right side. Although initial reports said Leja's chances of survival were extremely slim, he did survive. He received the George Medal in January 1964 for conspicuous courage and outstanding devotion to duty. Leja was born in Poland and became a Canadian citizen. The bomb was planted by Front de Liberation (FLQ) member Jean-Denis Lamoureux who eventually went on to become Head of communications for Premier René Lévesque.

      Of course, for those of you who don’t have personal recollections of it, all of these bombings and kidnappings and murders eventually culminated in the October Crisis.

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    7. The link above doesn’t work because it is missing an L. Here it is again:
      Who is the Real Terrorist?

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    8. It’s very telling, isn’t it, how our trolls are happy to troll internet blogs yet don’t even have the grace to say a single word about the victims of their separatist brethren’s terrorist crimes…

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    9. While we're on the subject of Francophones who get away with murder, has anybody remembered that René Lévesque, the exalted leader of that first PQ government, ran over someone while drunk and not wearing his glasses (as a condition required on his driver's license)? He's another one who got away scott free. This was back in February 1977. Francophone who kill in Quebec are thrown parades!!!

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    10. The man René Lévesque was Edgar Trottier, a homeless WWII veteran. It happened on February 6th, 1977, at 4:15AM on the bend of Mcdougall Rd. (i.e. southbound Côte-des-Neiges Rd.) next to the Gleneagles building. Lévesque had been partying at his buddy’s place, radical separatist Yves Michaud, and was driving back home with his mistress, Corinne Côté, as his passenger. Even though a pedestrian was waving his arms to warn him of the danger, Lévesque struck Trottier and dragged his body along the road for 140 feet. Mysteriously, there was no breathalyser test administered by the police. Good buddy Michaud later testified that Lévesque didn’t have a drop to drink during the previous evening and night. However, Lévesque was fined $25 for failing to wear his glasses while driving a car on the night in question. He immediately paid the fine.

      Presumably top Journal de Montréal journalist Jean-Denis Lamoureux went light on the premier in his coverage. Lamoureux had also killed a Canadian military man. He planted the bomb that killed Walter Leja in 1963, although it took 29 1/2 years of pain and suffering at the Veterans Hospital in Ste. Anne de Bellevue for Leja to finally die after being maimed by the terrorist/separatist bomb that Lamoureux set. Lévesque later hired Lamoureux as his chief of communications in August 1984.

      Today, Marois acts as if the PQ were a squeaky clean party. It makes me ill.

      Il y a 33 ans, René Lévesque tue Edgar Trottier
      More Edgar Trottier memories

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  2. FROM ED BROWN
    Editor - well said. Sunday morning during mass, Father Nicholson led us in Prayer for his soul and his family.

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    1. It's deliciously tempting to add that he should have put a curse on Pauline Marois and those of her ilk, but I know that's not Christianity (nor Judaism), and hopefully her bad karma will be responded to in kind somewhere down the road.

      My late maternal grandmother, as told to me by my late mother, may they both rest in peace, used to say that what one takes out of someone else's pocket, God takes out of that one's pocket.

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  3. Well said Editor!

    I read Denis Blanchette described as a PQ in some press not as a"worker" on the Job.

    Before he'd been prepared for his service, media was expanding the truth by manipulating readers that he was as good a target as any because he was a PQ.....was he?

    I thought he was called in to work extra because of the election that he has a little family that doesn't have him anymore because he was at the WRONG PLACE at the WRONG TIME! hear me city of Montreal lazy ass police department!

    How many of us saw the news and thought Marios made herself the biggest target...she was hunted unsuccessfully this time no thanks to her extra security detail!

    Marios should be on her knees for the anxiety and stress caused Quebec over her platform, where's her human decency to puke these rotten plans to a province and not put security on all exits and entrances?

    I'm careful when I write online. I understand that my opinions can't be used against my family in employment etc. I'm very careful I don't want to hurt they're lives.

    That kid wrote stuff without thinking how others would take it, kinda like drunk texting, I did that once my cousin didn't speak to me for months.

    He's young and stupid, guilty of posting exactly what he thought and what thousands of others thought in a room that had people in it that he didn't know obviously.

    The only right the offended have is to delete friend or hide all comments.

    A proper Judge will tell him:

    "If you don't like what you access with your mouse TUFF TITTY!"






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  4. I was always under the impression that free speech does not exist in Canada. We have the right to say anything as long as its not racist/evil bla bla bla bla.

    Anyone able to confirm this?

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    1. Indeed, this isn't the USA. We don't allow hate speech here.

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    2. Except if your a French Canadian Quebec Nationalist... you can say whatever you want without any consequences... that's the double standard in Canada...

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    3. @ "Land of Tazmandoo" - Funny but true... lol

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    4. @ "Land of Tazmandoo" - Funny but true... LOL

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    5. Mr.Marco,

      If the standard of "free speech" is like the one practiced in the United States, then no. Canada does not provide the right as wide as it is there. That right (or lack of) was confirmed during Ann Coulter's speech tour in Canada. I am no fan of hers, but what happened to her showed that Canada treats freedom of speech rather differently.

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  5. I figured there was something way off about making Blanchette's funeral a public spectacle was for the sake of embellishment. Sadly, it was embellisment of the worst possible kind, but there is no level low enough that politicians won't stoop to if it somehow can be used to bolster their image.

    It was obvious the separatists were whoring themselves for the sake of publicity, i.e., the poor man's death was merely a publicity stunt conjured by those who sought personal gain. Holding a state funeral for Rocket Richard wasn't anywhere nearly as low or as in quite the bad taste this funeral was, but I still can't feel it was overblown thing.

    Yes, Rocket was one of pro hockey's legends, but was Doug Harvey's tragic death subject to the same level of public respect? FAR FROM IT! Harvey was one of the most innovative defensemen of his time, and born in Montreal, too! Of course, he was an Anglophone.

    William Shatner, now 81 years old going on 82, is probably busier now than ever before in his career, is as world famous as Celine Dion (and has been for longer), as is Leonard Cohen, but they'll never be fussed over by Quebec society like Dion; besides, they're "anglo juifs". I can freely write this politically incorrect statement because I'm Jewish, and this was the innuendo used in the French language media without repercussion to describe Howard Galganov, and other English speaking Jews too, I imagine. Such is life in a political cesspool called Quebec.

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    1. Yes, Quebec completely ignores William Shatner but, if I remember correctly, Celine made it clear awhile back that she was a Canadian and that's why you never see her up and about with the PQ. Boy, would they love her on their side - too bad for them that she has a brain in her head and knows what side her bread is buttered on.

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    2. Petite nuance ici cutie:

      http://blogues.lapresse.ca/therrien/2009/10/23/souvenir-du-refus-de-celine-a-ladisq/

      Je crois qu'on ne peut être plus clair.

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    3. Ah damn...I was just about to write how I was so happy to see an S.R-free thread and yet the Editor let him slip one in.

      Well, at least the Editor practices what he preaches as far as free speech goes...to bad it's wasted on a troll who would deprive us our rights and freedoms if he had the chance.

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    4. I'm very glad to S.R return making a very valid point about Celine Dion who in 1990 refused an ADISQ award onstage which named her top 'Anglophone Artist' for an album she sang in English.

      Did that indicate her political feelings at the time?
      I don't know but would assume YES.

      Was she a separatist or not, I don't know or care, we are all entitled our opinion.
      That being said, she was young and I remember in college, half the students walked around with Mao's 'Little Red Book'

      Is Celine a separatist now? ....Dunno, I don't really care.
      She doesn't even live in Quebec, as is her right. I suspect as she matured and became more worldly, her views might have changed.
      Ironically, she has in fact become an anglophone artist, removing the acccent from "Céline' many moons ago.

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    5. René Angélil à propos de la transaction d’Astral et Bell,(AngÉlil)

      "Enfin, René Angélil était parmi la cinquantaine d’artistes exprimant leur inquiétude dans une lettre publiée lundi concernant la transaction d’Astral et Bell. Des audiences du CRTC se tiennent cette semaine à ce sujet. Questionné à savoir pourquoi il a tenu à signer cette lettre, René Angélil a répondu simplement ceci : « Tout a été dit dans la lettre. Je suis d’accord avec chaque mot et je crains pour la culture francophone si cette transaction a lieu », a conclu l’impresario vedette."

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    6. I'm sorry that I don't agree with Ghost of Geronimo about the point about S.R.
      He makes a valid rebuttal about Celine, which should be judged and debated on merit alone.
      We do not want a discussion that limits those who disagree.

      I am now moderating each comment, based on the rules that are listed on the green panel above, not on political opinion.

      I am happy to see less, but better quality comments, but I will be honest with you all, it is a bit of a strain to moderate.
      Time commitment is the only reason I let things go without moderation.

      I hope people understand, that just like you I have a life away from this blog and cannot be here 24/7.
      By the way I am deleting unsuitable comments and not even showing them as removed.

      Again I warn everyone that I will not show comments as removed if they contain gratuitous personal insults and/or or comments by spelling and/or grammar monitors.

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    7. Yes, 1990 was a long time ago and she was very young. I'm sure she stays out of all this conflict because she still has a very large family in Quebec and they would have to pay, one way or another, if she became involved. I have heard her say she is Canadian and not Quebecois as most separatists would.

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    8. A reminder for those who don’t remember her embarrassing, shameful and nit-picking declaration:
      Céline Dion refuse un trophée à lÁDISQ (10-14-1990)

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    9. Funny, I would find an artist who turns down an award on principle, in spite of the consequences, to be inspiring and full of integrity myself.

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    10. Funny, I would have expected Yannick to defend a francophone who turns to singing in English to become a huge star then turns around and spits in the face of anglophones by refusing an award for singing in English. I wonder what lofty principle it is that Yannick thinks she was defending...

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    11. An “anglophone” is someone who speaks English. Céline was more than happy to become a multi-multi-millionaire by singing in English and yet felt it appropriate to slap anglophones in the face by rejecting an “anglophone” award. In other words, it’s acceptable to profit from being an anglophone but not by being called one. That’s not inspiring integrity at all.

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    12. "I wonder what lofty principle it is that Yannick thinks she was defending..."

      Not forgetting one's roots and staying true to them.

      "An “anglophone” is someone who speaks English."

      I guess that is technically true, but in a way not many people would recognise. The way most people use it is to mean someone whose mother/primary/most used/etc... language is English; otherwise they are francophones or allophones.

      Celine's Anglophone fans went on to continue liking her music even if she "slap/spat Anglophones (funnily here not referring to people who merely know English) in the face", so why do you consider it some kind of betrayal?

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    13. Not forgetting one's roots and staying true to them.

      Yeah sure, just like Jennifer Lopez, “Jenny from the block”. If this were actually the case, Dion would have stayed true to her career in French, just like so many other genuine artists who sing in Spanish, Portuguese, German, Russian or any number of European/African/Asian languages.

      Celine's Anglophone fans went on to continue liking her music

      Anglophones outside Quebec have no idea that the ADISQ awards even exist. Virtually all of them had no idea that she herself existed until she started singing in English ("continue liking"??). I remember when she did this performance for the Quebec audience… it was understood then that she was trying to tell her original francophone fans that she was still loyal to them and wasn’t selling out… even though she selling out.

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  6. Where was the state funeral for those girls murdered in the École Polytechnique massacre

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    1. There wasn't one because the gunman had a French surname. If he would have had an English surname, there would have been a State funeral.

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  7. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Editor, for finally taking back control of your own blog from S.R. I completely don’t mind what I personally consider to be ill-informed opinions from Guillaume Legaré and others, but it was completely beyond me why in the world you explicitly chose to allow your blog to be dragged down into the gutter by the blatant trolling from S.R. and his various alts. Even if he chooses to henceforward be a positive and respectful contributor, it matters not one whit. To my mind, it seems obvious that he has been so abusive to you and your readership for so long that he himself has excluded himself from participating on your blog.

    Before (or if ever) you allow open posting again, I sincerely hope you will please, please, please explain to us your reasoning that cause you perceive the necessity of allowing S.R to continue to make a mockery of your blog again.

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  8. The STM is at it again!
    Turnstile-jumpers get away scot-free while 13-year-olds get reduced to tears over 10 cents...

    Family outraged after métro altercation

    A 13-year-old boy was trying to make change for the ticket-taker at Snowdon métro station on Aug. 27 when she threatened to call the police and have him removed, the boy’s parents say.
    The boy, who was coming home from school about 4 p.m. and was not with his parents or any friends, did not have his monthly fare loaded on his student Opus card.
    He tried his luck by asking the ticket-taker if she would let him in.
    She said no, and that he needed to pay $2 to enter.
    He put all of his coins in the wicket and she counted it.
    “I was missing 10 cents and she refused me,” said the boy, who spoke on condition his name not be used.
    The French-speaking ticket-taker, a woman in her 50s, seemed frustrated with the boy as he was speaking English, he said.
    He said she told him that “the next time you show up here with a bunch of coins, I’m going to call the police on you.”
    At that point, the boy got upset and started to cry. Security guards watching nearby approached him and asked him if he was okay.
    “He wasn’t aggressive or hostile and she acted like that,” his mother, Vasiliki Skarogiannis, said.
    “He’s just a scared boy.”
    The boy’s father, Jacques Lemaire, came from across town and got to the métro station about an hour later.
    Lemaire said he confronted the ticket-taker, but that instead of apologizing she used harsh language about the incident in front of his son.
    The boy’s mother said she plans to file a complaint about the ticket-taker’s behaviour.
    A STM spokeswoman, Marianne Rouette, said Monday she could not comment on the incident because she was not aware of it, since the family had not yet lodged a complaint.

    From: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Family+outraged+after+m%c3%a9tro+altercation/7221186/story.html

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    1. [*Place moan here*]. This anti-English crap again. As the Editor wrote back in July on this subject, there may be a complaints department but they do sweet f-all about complaints, esp. if they are addressed in English.

      Little by little, day by day the stench of the cesspool worsens...

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    2. Here's another breaking story about Quebec's anti-English crap...

      Language tensions lead to arrest at hospital:
      http://www.cjad.com/CJADLocalNews/entry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10436569

      If you thought language tensions were tense before, wait until the PQ is officially sworn in and starts stirring the pot (with likely the CAQ and Liberals right at their side to help. Hey, promoting anti-English rhetoric gets votes!).

      Indeed, this province is nothing less than a cesspool.

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  9. Excellent post all around.

    One point, though:

    What we view as neccessary qualities in male political leaders - cunning, ruthlessness and ambition we somehow view as unseemly for female politicians. Give Pauline her due, she got to where she is on her own guile and determination, she didn't have much help from the insipid and disloyal PQ caucus.

    For a post whose general theme is about being at the wrong place at the wrong time, have you considered Pauline -- crafty though she certainly is -- might also just have been at some of the right places at the right time? A year ago as the PQ was hemorrhaging high-profile MNAs, everyone was writing Pauline's political obituary, and it was only by her ballsy gamble of staying put that she even survived. Incestuous and cannibalistic as the PQ is, she too could have gone the way of the dodo.

    She is a force unto herself and truthfully, that's what makes her so damn scary.
    Oh please. I'm sure she eats, drinks, urinates, defecates, lives, procreates, and will one day die, just like the rest of us. Some women are born great, some achieve greatness, and some lucky broads are just at the right place at the right time.

    Consider that.

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    1. I knew that was coming. I'm analytical so feel free to glean examples of men/women and youths who have run on a platform such as this on your own time. Review all the video and images of her campaign.

      Actions speak louder than words for me.

      Women see things men don't it's a scientific fact. I'm a woman. I'm fascinated with power how people want it, what they do to get it, what happens when the do or don't.

      Marios touched and patted people constantly if she was a guy she'd be up on charges.

      I don't really need to expand on the rules of professional conduct do I?

      Marios invades personal space with the people she meets, she actually rushed up to people and got in they're faces!

      Marios broke a trust rule being a stranger on her photo op to the daycare, she had no right to touch or engage as close to those kid's as she did.

      I trust kids, please review images for her posturing and kid's facial expressions. Look where people stand and what the faces look like.

      Did the parents sign releases for the kids to be exploited that day? Did the entourage all have security clearance's to be around children??

      When she spoke at podiums look at the image, what's going on in the image? Turn the volume off and just review what she does and whats going on around her.

      Marios Promised many heinous presents for Quebec in her campaign.

      Men who promise what Marios has, they are not called Premier, they are called racists in Canada.

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  10. Yes, poor Mr. Blanchette was AT WORK. The PQ have made it sound as if he was a fully supporting member of their party. I'd like to hear that from his wife. Wrong place, wrong time. Stupid politicians will take every opportunity to further their cause.

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  11. @Joseph - last link - I'm sorry that your people have been "assimilated" as you say but what you may not realize is that, here in Quebec, the laws that the PQ have enacted and are trying to enact, are TAKING AWAY OUR RIGHTS as Canadian Citizens in our own country. Our country has enacted a country-wide bilingual policy to protect Francophone rights within Canada but they want to take away the rights of the Canadian Citizens in this Province. We understand that they want to protect their language but object to the fact that it has to be at our expense. These people are ruthless and care not a whit about the rights of Anglophones/Allophones and Francophone Canadians that live in their own homeland. We now want the "separatists" to take what land they can validate through legal and voter supported means and move on to let those that vote to stay in Canada live in peace. This is what is called "partitioning of the province". This is the only solution to the problem that has existed for 40 years. I hope this explains our stand to you.

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  12. "You just can't find good assassins these days!" - That's funny! I don't care what anyone says.
    The only reason to not laugh is partisanship; it would be funny if someone took a shot at Charest or Harper.

    "I give this bitch a month before someone with better aim comes forth and does what must be done." - Not funny.
    Even remotely. Totally kills the joke, makes the funny part no longer funny.

    I don't think it's inciting a hitman to kill anyone, or hate speech --- but it lacks wit and surprise, which is unfortunate.

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  13. I have always thought separatists were a little silly.

    After reading this weblog for the duration of the Quebec election, I sort of understand where they're coming from.

    Once, I told Michel Patrice on another website that I was thoroughly tired of the "colonisé, opprimé, écrasé" victim mentality.

    Now, I'm ready to re-examine that opinion, having read so many Anglophones' comments stating, "Well, they (the French) lost the war", "Tough, France abandoned them and we were the British Empire", "We won the war", I'm starting to see at least a partial reason why so many French Canadians carry this victim mentality: the English keep creating it.

    I just read through the last posts' comments.

    Back then there were English services because we created them.

    No wonder so many separatists feel "left out" of Canada.

    Louisiana did the right thing. in reference to state-stamping out of French language schools

    Gee no wonder so many Quebec nationalists feel "the English are out to get them". Maybe it's not simply idle paranoi.

    One thing the English can be proud of is that we were always civilized. It was the French that needed culture.

    Holy cats, and to think I've pondered why so many French Canadians feel English Canadians look down on them.

    I can remember my father saying to me on the bus, "Keep your voice down son, do you want people to think that we're french."

    That's a very sad story and very telling. I'm sorry your father had that kind of opinion.

    I think it's marvelous to feel comfortable being boisterous and energetic and emotional. It's a different mindset than this man, but both are valid and legitimate, and each can be and behave thoroughly "civilized".

    Most of the countries in La Francophonie are places where most people are unlikely to ever set foot unless they are in the mining business

    This sounds like an angry anti-Anglosphere commenter on Le Devoir, sneering at the economies of many English speaking places.

    This commenter leaves no room for improvement in the unhappy relations between French and English.

    language ... should happen naturally. ... That is the way it worked all over the world. People in distant countries speak English mainly because English troops were stationed there. Indians have perfect English from the British being there

    War and Imperialism are "natural evolutions" of language patterns?

    Convenient from an anglo-supremacist perspective.


    If the general commenters here represented truthfully the whole of Anglo-Quebec society, given enough time, I would probably ultimately want you all gone, too.

    French is an awesome language, je l'adore, et je trouve que c'est tout a fait regrettable qu'autant de monde pensent qu'il ne mérite pas a s'y intéresser.

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    1. All this stuff is a rather low standard for wanting someone physically out of the province. (How dare you say "Louisiana did the right thing". Out of my province now!!!). I wouldn't expect someone to have me over for dinner if I teased him/her about the lost war, or about the natural evolution of languages, or about services, etc... Secondly, the desire to kick people out doesn't come primarily from what regular folks say or write. It comes mostly from the politically-motivated spin and exaggeration of the ruling elites. And that's where we should look for the culprits.

      I do agree with your take on Ed's benign view on the evolution of English into the current lingua franca. Ed does occasionally show a very naive take on history (e.g. how the North American colonists did not come here to murder the Natives unlike the South American colonists... one can read a few John Winthrop's quotes to get the picture). English is spoken in India and all over the world because of years of colonial conquest and pillaging by the British who a century ago were joined by and later muscled out by the Americans. it's also worth remarking that the French were in the contest too for a long time, and also had their eyes set on world domination, which would have led to French being the lingua franca instead of English.



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    2. Adski,

      You're right -- but I did qualify "IF mainstream anglo society were represented by certain commenters on this weblog", which it isn't.

      And it doesn't JUSTIFY kicking people physically out... I do think it explains a part of the sentiment to WANT to, though.

      You're also right it mostly comes from politically motivated spin and exaggeration -- but so does attitudes like "oh they lost the war" and "the French are not civilized while English are".


      I need help on the John Winthrop file. I just googled him a little bit; interesting City on A Hill speech; obviously this is where Reagan cribbed the phrase from.

      a very naive take on history (e.g. how the North American colonists did not come here to murder the Natives unlike the South American colonists
      Please, school me here... is there a difference between NA and SA colonists in this regard? I've always thought/assumed that both NA and SA colonists all had the same relative attitude towards aboriginals, but am not sure how to read your sentence.

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    3. Adski - I have heard many times the expressed desire that Anglophones would leave (of their free will, mind you) if they were unwilling to learn French and integrate with the French Quebecers. I have never heard the opinion that they should be kicked out. Even S.R. falls in the first category. I'm sure you'll bring up some nutbars from the dredges who say just that, however.

      On the other hand, I've seen many people on the comment sections of English news pieces expressing the desire to kick Quebec out of Canada.

      JBG - It's nice of you to see that I'm not just making it up. Some commenters made fun of me a few threads back because I used the word "anglo-supremacist". But it does exist, there seems to be many for whom the unstated worldview is that English has a rightful place towering above French, and that it is our place to accept this without complaining. I vehemently disagree.

      I've often toyed with the idea of starting a blog in which I would simply collect and inventory common themes in disingenuous internet comments on the language subject comment in Canada, and comment on what the implied meaning is - things like "We won the war" or "French is a dying language" and so on. But I haven't the time to invest in figuring out how to set up a website.

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    4. @JBG - There is a difference. The French colonizers needed the Natives alive so they would trap furs for them. The English needed that too, but also needed the ones immediately neighboring them out of the way so they could expand their population, which was considerable even then. The Spanish and Portuguese wanted them to work in their silver mines until they died, then they replaced with with Africans.

      This alone explains why France had always had the best relations with Natives in spite of their trade items being inferior to England. It's no accident that the Natives overwhelmingly supported the French faction in the many wars between France and England in North America.

      Note I'm not claiming an iota of moral superiority - simply differing economic/demographic needs. At the time of the Conquest, Canada had something around 60 000 inhabitants, New England over a million. Not hard to see why there was more frictions between Settlers and Natives in New England.

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    5. *I wouldn't expect someone to have me over for dinner if I teased him/her about the lost war, or about the natural evolution of languages, or about services, etc...but to get kicked out over this? (The sentence got cut off.)

      "I've always thought/assumed that both NA and SA colonists all had the same relative attitude towards aboriginals, but am not sure how to read your sentence."

      Read the sentence as it reads. It reads exactly as you thought/assumed of NA colonists, the opinion that they weren't as bad the SA colonists was posted by Ed a few days ago.

      Winthrop was the founder of the Massachusetts Bay Colony. He was a rabid racist who thought that it was the responsibility of the Whites to expel or exterminate the Natives.

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    6. Did you collect all the daisies from the PQ's on the past blogs?

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    7. KGB, or whatever you want to call yourself, if you want to be a separatist sympathizer, then vote PQ. I hope you did so last week. Quebec has been «maître chez-nous» since the days of Jean Lesage 50 years ago. Your 80% of the population STILL only produces 60% of the tax base, the West Island and Central West Montreal look like proper neighbourhoods while the Eastern half of Montreal looks like a one huge slum. After 50 years, it's STILL the minorities running the show, at least commercially. Your faves are running the government and look what THAT is producing! Need I write more? I've got plenty!

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    8. "but I did qualify "IF mainstream anglo society were represented by certain commenters on this weblog", which it isn't. "

      You did qualify so as to remain ambiguous enough and leave yourself a backdoor. You managed to remain ambiguous with the skill and grace of JF Lisee.


      "I have heard many times the expressed desire that Anglophones would leave (of their free will, mind you) if they were unwilling to learn French and integrate with the French Quebecers. I have never heard the opinion that they should be kicked out."

      I love the ambiguity here too..."expressed desire" that Anglophones would leave...but not be "kicked out"...


      Yannick 2:07:00 PM EDT

      The Natives wanted all Europeans out, if they considered one better than the other it was a result of a transient interplay of interests, or because one colonizer was "less nasty" (but still a nasty s.o.b.) so that even then the "friendly" colonizer was no more than the lesser evil, not a friend. The French didn't get to do as much damage in North America as they did in North Africa for example because in North America they were beaten by a more ferocious and greedy colonizer, and not because they were noble (although at one point New France did cover a lot of the continent, and it didn't get to be so large by peaceful expansion.)

      Let's be realistic about the French colonization - it was a greedy and arrogant resource (both human and natural) grab, money grab, and land grab, done with the arrogant philosophy of the Civilizing Mission. That in this part of the world the French showed a little more restraint does not exonerate them one bit (especially that much of restraint was imposed by the competing colonizer who was breathing down their necks and had to be dealt with before the Indian question could be attended to the same way the Algerian question was attended to in Africa for example).

      On this continent, I don't look at the French more favorably than at the English or Americans. Showing more restraint than another colonizer (the minute the standard of comparison is another colonizer, you know how bad it is), or because eventually you yourself succumbed to the power of another colonizer are no extenuating circumstances. Being a "lesser evil" is still being evil in the end.


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    9. I did specifically say that I was not claiming any kind of moral ground on the French. You and me do not disagree.

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    10. You did qualify so as to remain ambiguous enough and leave yourself a backdoor. You managed to remain ambiguous with the skill and grace of JF Lisee.

      Yes, absolutely - on this, I'm pretty ambiguous. I don't see any side with any true moral high ground (although individual people are different) in the debate; it interests me and I'm exploring the French side further. I'm tentative; I'm a federalist and I think it's in the interest of the French language and of Quebec (as well as of Canada) for Quebec to sign on and participate fully with it's entire weight. Quebec IS Canada; I can't possibly imagine living in the same world of today that I do without Quebec.

      You really got me there, because I've read JFL's before, and I have such a yellow-journalist hack villain opinion of him that your comment really hit the target, dead on. He reminds me of a newsroom character cut out of early drafts of The Fountainhead or The Daily Bugle. I don't want to come off as him.

      I think there's a real barrier of communication break-down between people. Not even between languages, just in points of view. I'm curious about it, about understanding both sides. I think everyone has a lot to benefit from by staying together and learning from each other. (Sounds like Oprah all of a sudden)

      I'm ambiguous about "who's right about the past", even the present. I'm not a history expert; though Yannick's comment that the French had better colonial relations with the Aboriginals/locals is something I've read and heard in history podcasts. I don't think that antiquated historical fact has any moral bearing on anyone alive today, or on today's situation; still, everyone's feelings do. I don't think it even matters who has a better or more moral history; we're all in this together now, and almost all of us were born after the 1950's anyways. The past doesn't represent us.

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    11. PS Also adski:

      it's also worth remarking that the French were in the contest too for a long time, and also had their eyes set on world domination, which would have led to French being the lingua franca instead of English.

      Absolutely agreed; today's "English is good enough!" anglophone is yesterday's "French is good enough!" francophone. There's no serious difference.

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    12. re: no serious difference between anglos and francos in their days.

      Now you're really making me think.

      People of a dominant language who don't learn minority languages have always been around; always will be. It's a fact of a multilingual world.
      Thnx for this, adski.

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    13. That in this part of the world the French showed a little more restraint does not exonerate them one bit (especially that much of restraint was imposed by the competing colonizer who was breathing down their necks and had to be dealt with before the Indian question could be attended to the same way the Algerian question was attended to in Africa for example).

      Again, another thanks here, and a question for adski: is there any one strong or very good book you know of (in your own personal reading experience) on this topic?

      I've heard for example French colonialism praised (on Radio-France) as far far more humane; yet it doesn't entirely square with what I (loosely, dimly) hear about, say, North Africa (which you point out).

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    14. there seems to be many for whom the unstated worldview is that English has a rightful place towering above French

      Oui, ça existe, et ce qui me fascine, c'est comme je vient de me rendre compte il y a quelques minutes, avec adski, cet attitude a toujours été parmi nous, mais toujours avec des langues différentes, chacun a son époque.

      Tu sais, Yannick, ce que j'ai fait mal, la ou j'avais tort, était en utilisant des vraies commentaires des autres, en lieu d'utiliser des exemples hyothethiques. Comme tu as fait référence a MLK l'autre jour, je doit prendre note: j'ai eu une attitude négative en parlant des anglophones.

      Merci pour le petit leçon, d'ailleurs.

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    15. @Adski : What's ambiguous? It's very different to say "Well if they hate it here so much, why don't they just leave?" and to say "We ought to round them up and kick them out of our country!"

      The first is angry, uncompromising, chauvinistic. The second reeks of ethnic cleansing.

      Come on, you know there's a difference.

      I mean personally I've heard my share of "If you don't like it, why don't you go back to Quebec?" (explaining that I'm not from Quebec does not usually help) and I've never taken it as a threat of ethnic cleansing.

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    16. There is no need to bring up Algeria to prove that the French were no better colonizers than their fellows. Algeria is from a different era and a different administration, needlessly confounding factors.

      One needs only look at Haïti, Martinique, Guadeloupe. The French needed no encouragement to convince them to slaughter the natives and work kidnapped Africans to death to grow sugar.

      What is the difference? Furs vs Sugar. The British/Native relations were also much better in the Hudson Bay than they were in New England, because of the need for trade and lack of demographic pressure.

      There is, beyond that, a few differences. It was much more accepted for Frenchmen to take Natives as wives than for the British. The British actually expressedly forbade their employees to marry or make children with the natives (the bad was about as enforceable as you'd think, especially further inland, but still) while I believe no such rule existed in New France.

      In fact, Acadia might be one of the only truly successful stories of Native/French cooperation, so much that by the 1700's a local priest (born in France and with higher prejudice) had mentioned that the Acadians were in the process of melding with the local Native population, so much that he derided the Acadians as "mi-sauvage" and the Natives as half-European. The source of their friendship mostly came from the interest from the Natives in Trade, as well as the lack of competition for real estate : The Acadians tended to reclaim land from the sea while the Natives tended to live inland.

      Interestingly enough, relations between the Natives and the Acadians only deteriorated after the Conquest of 1713 (Acadia was conquered a few wars before Canada); the Micmacs, a strong and proud people, never accepted that the king of France gave away what had never been his : their land and their citizenship, and continued to resist against the British, exploiting the French animosity towards the British for their maximum benefit. The Acadians instead meekly submitted to British rule and their leaders tried their best to tow the fine line between cooperation without taking arms against their former Brothers. For all the good it did them. In hindsight, they would have been better off siding with the Natives.

      If you want a fantastic read on this, read "A Grand and Noble Scheme" - it is a history of Acadia so is heavily centered on the maritime region, but much of it is spent on French->Acadian/Native relations. What makes it interesting is that the author does not believe, as others have often presumed, in naïve Natives lacking agency in their own decisions and shows in many case how it was the Natives who manipulated the Europeans for their own gains rather than the one-sided relationship we often suppose.

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    17. I am proud of my English heritage, I don't need to hang my head in shame because I speak english and hide who my ancestors are in the rest of Canada.

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    18. Yeah, the colony discussion is pointless.

      We're no one's colony now. Looking at historical precedents (of empires that no longer exist) to form opinions on contemporary political and cultural matters is not the best idea. Just saying!

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    19. I agree that it's pointless if the object is to derive some form of opinion on contemporary political and cultural matters, but it's still interesting to discuss it in and of itself.

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    20. @ Yannick,

      "What's ambiguous? It's very different to say "Well if they hate it here so much, why don't they just leave?" and to say "We ought to round them up and kick them out of our country!"

      You neglected to mention the common sentiment, which is in-between your two statements in terms of harshness, which is "lets pass laws that are so unpleasant for them that we'll drive them out."

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    21. Too bad I missed this interesting discussion about colonization. Just an interesting quote from american historian Francis Parkman about the different attitude of different colonizers toward natives :

      "les Espagnols les ont tués, les Anglais les ont dispersés et les Français les ont épousés"

      This is a gross simplification of a complex reality, yet, it is no wonder that a large part of the métis people speak french...

      @JBG,

      You wrote : "Once, I told Michel Patrice on another website that I was thoroughly tired of the "colonisé, opprimé, écrasé" victim mentality. Now, I'm ready to re-examine that opinion, having read so many Anglophones' comments [...]"

      That's nice...

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  14. "French is an awesome language, je l'adore, et je trouve que c'est tout a fait regrettable qu'autant de monde pensent qu'il ne mérite pas a s'y intéresser".

    Right 100%, but what draws people away from French is the attitude in Quebec. You will never see at an European funeral people with flags (AGAINST les autres), with their fists in the air ((AGAINST les autres), singing against somebody else (yes, JBG, that's what sepppies do at a funeral here...they use their songs AGAINST the others instead of celebrating or mourning WITH the others). It all boils downs to the attitude...and, please, stop whining!!!!!!

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    1. "please, stop whining!!!!!!"

      This is the response one usually obtains when one tries to explain to Anglophones what isn't working. Usually, the 'whining' is used to refute the assertion that everything is wonderful if us Francophones would just stop complaining about stuff (translation : if we just lied down and took it).

      Unfortunately, they do not realise the hypocrisy of their statement, reacting with righteous anger when some Souverainiste or some other comes in and tells them that they should "Obéir la loi (101)", "Ici on est au Québec", "Prennez la 401 si vous n'êtes pas content", etc...

      It's (of course) only whining when Francophones do it.

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    2. It's not only whining, but also arrogance ("Ici on est au Québec" + "Prennez la 401 si vous n'êtes pas content") and sense of entitlement. Quebec belongs to whomever lives in it, not just to Francophones. And certainly not to separatists.
      As long as Francophones keep on considering Quebec as a separate entity from Canada instead of considering it as a part of it (with the typical, imperialistic, emotion-driven and conquistador-style statement 'We are the majority, all the others are the minority') and as long as the NOUS-mentality dominates, they will be NO dialogue between Francophones and Anglophones-Allophones at all.
      There are not and have never been two solitudes, but just one: the one Quebec imposed on itself by itself.

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    3. Yannick:

      It's (of course) only whining when Francophones do it.


      De plus, je suggérerait a rédacter ton commentaire a dire que c'est seulement geindre quand il s'agit d'une minoritaire; les noirs, les gais, les femmes, les roux, les gauchers, voire l'avis minoritaire dans un bureau, une classe, une famille, etc.
      Pensée intéressante.

      D'ailleurs tu pourrait me contacter a jasonbogreenagmail com si tu en voudrais.

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  15. Hello. I am a research journalist for CBC radio. I'm looking for an anglophone that lives in a francophone neighbourhood to talk about language tensions they are feeling at the moment. If you are interested in participating in the interview or know someone that fits that description please give me a call or send me an e-mail! Thanks! Sophie 514-597-4479 sophie.tremblay@cbc.ca

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    1. Venez à Québec "city" dans ce cas.....c'est plein, pis on entend pas chialer personne!

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    2. Quebec City, the assimilation factory! Franco-Quebecers forget that in the 19th century (less than 150 years ago), Quebec City was almost half Irish (in other words, anglophone) and that this included the Simons family that gave rise to the famous, eponymous department store that we continue to enjoy to this day, even in Montreal. Nowadays, Quebec City is 99% francophone and no one bats an eyelash at the tragic loss of their history. Apparently for nationalists, assimilation is perfectly fine as long as it concerns anglophones but not for francophones.

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    3. Joseph holds Quebec City up as some sort of shining example of virtuosity with no dissenting voices for having trampled upon its historical population and yet in the next breath he cries for protection of his own language because of “Louisiana! Louisiana!”. What a joke!

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  16. Personally I can't imagine what would motivate the poor family of this unfortunate soul who agreed to a state funeral and put themselves on display for all the world to see. Personally I would have refused and insisted on a small, private funeral.

    Perhaps they could not afford the funeral costs otherwise?

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    1. @ Yannick
      I think you are completely right about the funeral and the family.

      When I look at the picture of the REAL mourners in the body of the post above and then all the other phonies (even the federalist politicians) I am sickened!

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    2. My thoughts exactly, Editor. Don't they all look pleased with each other, such a grandiose occasion to schmooze?

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    3. It was La Marois‘ suggestion to hold a civic funeral, after that everyone‘s hands were tied. It shouldn‘t be surprising, the PQunt has always been experts at exploiting the little person for all he‘s worth while making kings and now queens out of their scumbag politicians.

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    4. The hypocrisy of it all: Marois, with blood on her hands for having incited a disturbed person to kill people because of her racist hate-filled campaign, suggests a civic funeral where she can mingle with voters, unlike her attitude in Ile Bizard where she always shows up at the grocery store dressed to the nines and snubs everyone.

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  17. I agree that some of the comments from SOME Anglophones about justifying past injustices against Francophone rights are unjustifiable and hypocritical. On the other hand there is alot of justifiable anger on the part of Quebec minorities when state sanctioned discrimination and social engineering are being administered on new and historical minorities. When these methods don't work they decide to increase the amount of provisions (like marois' call to make bill 101 even more restrictive.) This is not a normal situation in the rest of Canada.

    Since 40% of the total taxes in Quebec are being contributed by minorities and the Quebec government is using that same tax revenue to enforce more restrictions on minority rights and institutions there is of course righteous anger.

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    1. the comments from SOME Anglophones about justifying past injustices against Francophone rights are unjustifiable and hypocritical

      Well-said, I should have capitilized as you did. I in no way mean all anglos or all commenters.

      there is alot of justifiable anger on the part of Quebec minorities when state sanctioned discrimination

      I'm glad you think it's justified JS, because I share it.

      I wonder how the anger on both sides, over different issues, can be approached so that everyone can walk away feeling better. Really, this is the kind of 'impossible' situation that calls for just that kind of thing.

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  18. National Post - Mr. Bouchard has a few interesting things to say to you seppies (especially the students) out there in today's paper. Be sure to read it - his new book is coming out so.....

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    1. Oui, Mignonette, j'ai lu la même chose aussi, je suis un peut curieux a en lire, ce livre

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  19. I keep seeing this stat about 20 percent of Quebecers..the anglophones paying 40 percent of all the income taxes..is that correct and if so can someone provide me a link to where this information is from. Its quite possible..I suspect that most anglos still hanging on in Quebec likely have good jobs or businesses.

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  20. Propos haineux contre Marois: le PQ porte plainte à la SQ

    http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-quebecoise/201011/25/01-4346108-propos-haineux-contre-marois-le-pq-porte-plainte-a-la-sq.php

    «pendre Pauline Marois pour le bien de l'humanité»

    Pauvre gars,pas sorti du bois.

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  21. Lucien Bouchard: L'ex premier ministre péquiste ne croit pas qu'il aura lieu et il estime que le Québec actuel a des défis beaucoup plus urgents à relever.

    I seem to remember Larry Robinson saying the exact same thing during an election not all that long ago. Didn`t he get blasted by the French speaking population for daring to say such a thing? I guess it`s just not acceptable when it comes from an anglophone.

    Paul Arcand interviews Lucien Bouchard on 98.5, "on tourne en rond" : http://www.985fm.ca/audioplayer.php?mp3=145390

    By the way, I love listening to Paul Arcand, he is always very interesting.

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  22. FROM ED BROWN
    For God's sake, what are you on about? Practically this whole thread is tied up with what happened centuries ago. CONSIDER THIS QUOTE "The comments from SOME Anglophones about justifying past injustices against Francophone rights are unjustifiable and hypocritical." This sounds like ego posturing. We have to forget the 'there and then' and stick to the 'here and now'
    My whole reasoning is that language should happen naturally. As I've said before the different nationalities around me here all speak english because it feels naturel. Sometimes they learned english because their home countries were over powered by troops, invaders or assimilation with others. In any case they now find it natural to speak the english language now.
    When the translaters of the Bible asked King James which english he wanted the book translated into, he answered into the King's english, of course. (Please don't come back at me telling me that happened centuries ago because that's not my point.) The point is that there were 16 dialects of english spoken at that time in London and eventually they merged into one. That happened naturally
    no one forced them. People will pick up on a language and learn it because thats what most others are using. I never tried to learn french, I picked it up naturally playing with children. If french were speaking english before the PQ it's because they found it useful. People should be able to speak whatever they feel comfortable to comminicate with. Consider this quote from someone here, - "The
    comments from SOME Anglophones about justifying past injustices against Francophone rights are unjustifiable and hypocritical" This sounds like ego posturing and has little to do with now.
    I wonder why so many are using double and triple spacing on their posts. Is it because you
    think your post is more important than others that you need more space. It only fills up the thread and makes your post annoying to read when we needlessly have to keep advancing it. Ed


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  23. Cutie: please provide links, it’s explained how to do it in the green box at the top of the page.

    As for the radio interview, at 8:30, Lucien Bouchard says he would never have worn the red square or banged pots and pans in the streets… the red square would never have been worn by whomever was in government, only by those in opposition… he would have disassociated himself from that. He feels ill at ease for not having increased tuition fees himself when he was in power.

    At 11:30, he also says that René Lévesque was ill at ease about imposing a law to protect a language by imposing restrictions on those who also live among them and are Quebecers too. He says today’s PQ disturbing the equilibrium that we have achieved is wrong and that Lévesque would have been against imposing 101 to CEGEPs. He himself finds it repugnant that 101 makes anglophones bilinguals, giving them more advantages, while keeping francophones unilingual. Being perfectly bilingual doesn’t make one lose one’s French, he says. At 18:20, he is categorical about there not being another referendum.

    Separatist Lucien Bouchard blasts PQ referendum plan
    Lucien Bouchard blasts PQ sovereignty plan while Liberals replace Jean Charest
    Lucien Bouchard tells Parti Québécois to move on from sovereignty

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  24. FROM ED BROWN
    ADSKI< JBG MICH Your personal debate about the way long ago is interesting but little to do with this blog. Thank you for reading my posts but I wish you wouldn't take excerpts from me and use them out of context. Are you saying I'm naive because I see the world as it actually happened. I will try to use simpler language so it doesn't go over your heads. Ed

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  25. Police thank public for flood of social media tips

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/charged+with+public+incitement+hatred+uttering+threats+released+bail+Police+thank+public+flood+social/7232710/story.html

    Steve Karmazenuk, 41, was charged Tuesday with public incitement of hatred and uttering threats and released on bail.



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    1. What's the difference between inciting to hatred or riot in a newspaper, as a graffiti on a wall, or on your social media?

      Before I agree that this is 1984, I'd like to know the answer to that question.

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  26. I wonder how come they don't charge Pauline with "incitement of hatred, uttering threats" as she has done publicly numerous times. Must be because she's a politician. Why don't the separatists see that? And why don't they listen to Mr. Bouchard who says that being bilingual has not hurt his French? In fact, he is encouraging Francophones to learn three languages if they can. Gee, they all idolize him so I don't understand what they don't understand.

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  27. "I wonder how come they don't charge Pauline with "incitement of hatred, uttering threats" as she has done publicly numerous times."

    Des exemples pour appuyer vos affirmations?

    "he is encouraging Francophones to learn three languages..."

    Combien de langue maîtrisez-vous Cutie?

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  28. http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/Opinion+Please+tone+down+rhetoric+about+being+racist/7224601/story.html

    PQ lawyer writes opinion. Upset about accurate reporting by English media.

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  29. Today is apparently the official day of linguistic duality in Canada.

    Here are some cherry-picked statistics to make everyone feel better. Enjoy!

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  30. Je ne crois pas que ce meurtre se compare aux autres en terme de signification. On parle ici d'un meurtre qui a lieu durant une soirée d'élection, à proximité d'une nouvelle première ministre.

    Les élections sont pour moi le symbole ultime de la démocratie, et le fait de voir un tel acte de violence commis durant ce processus, avec ou sans motivation politique, est pour moi très choquant et troublant. Ce meurtre a donc eu lieu dans un contexte difficilement comparable à d'autres meurtres très médiatisés.

    Et que serait-il arrivé si le tireur avait pu poursuivre son chemin...? Il ne faut pas perdre de vue les intentions de l'accusé. Ça aussi c'est troublant.

    Je trouve donc normal qu'il y a une sorte de cérémonie "civic", et j'aurais été déçu de ne pas voir de politiciens s'y rendre.

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    1. Effectivement cette tentative de fusillade a une forte connotation politique et Denis Blanchette a servi en quelque sorte de bouclier.La balle qu'il a reçu semblait effectivement destinée à Madame la première ministre.

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    2. Typical, FLQ murders not significant. 1 mentally deranged shooting an innocent = attack on democracy.

      Then I guess Lortie was a coup d'etat or a revolution?

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  31. FROM ED BROWN
    Pauline Marois's top TEN ideas to make Quebec a distinct society:
    1) Quebec will have its own time zone. We will be 1 hour and ten years behind the rest of N. America.

    2) The Office de la langue Francais will hire 1.5 milllion new language police over a three year period. These new positions will be filled by the 500,000 Quebecers who lose their jobs in each of the next three years once our economy goes down the drain.

    3) Bill 101 will be amended to restrict the use of English in households with more than 2 occupants.

    4) There will be a department in the government dealing with multinational companies looking to invest in Quebec. This new department will consist of a team of psychologists who will assess the mental stability of the directors of the investing company. force their children to attend French schools.

    5) The new highest personal tax bracket in Quebec 58%. This azed in over 4 years, but to compensate for those who relocate to other provinces or making less here the new highest bracket will be 94%

    6) Tuition freezes will be granted however Quebec Pension Plan payments will now only start when you reach the age of 90.

    7) Corruption laws will be introduced to ensure that any kick back arrangements between private industry and government leaders are now done so completely in French.


    8) The cities of Hampstead, Cote St. Luc, Westmount, TMR, and Montreal-West will be merged in to one mega city which will be called "A vendre, pas Cher".


    9) The Quebec French Dictionary will have two corrections. Majority will now be defined as anything over 50% or over 15% if it's what the PQ wants. Also, The word racism shall now be defined as only meaning attacks or restrictions against the language or religion of the majority of the population in Quebec.


    10) Tourists coming to Quebec must be able to pass a French literacy exam prior to entering the province in order that we avoid those unpleasant instances when they are greeted at a store, hotel or restaurant in a language they don't understand.




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    1. Don't forget #11, all flowers besides lilies will be banned from Quebec, and a special branch of government will be created to ensure the extinction of the thistle, the rose and the shamrock.

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    2. Better yet:

      3) Bill 101 will be amended to restrict the use of English in households with more than ONE occupant.

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    3. I see from Anonymous-Ed Brown, above, that biting sarcasm is the order of the day. I have a different approach - I sit back in a comfortable chair, pour a generous scotch, and read my favourite souvrainiste blogs. I am not sure why so many of the folks who comment on this blog are so worked up about a PQ minority. The sovereignists are foaming at the mouth and quite beside themselves about the results of the election -blaming the ON, Quebec Solidaire, Pauline Marois, the english, the allophones, the spineless fellow franco Quebecois who let them down, etc. Surely that is an important clue. If the hard core sovereignists are upset then the followers of this blog should be delighted. Confusion to the enemy !!

      And forget all this nattering about Bain being a precursor to waves of angryphones, wall to wall english on the Plateau and lions whelping in the streets. No one seems to have absorbed the fact that he was wearing a bathrobe and sandals, not a red coat and a busby. No - that's far too obvious ! There has to be an anglo conspiracy ! And on it goes, joining non-existent dots.

      No, dear friends, I respectfully suggest that nothing is better for the anglophone minority than to get the PQ and their identity politics out in the spotlight, with a minority, where they will be hammered, daily, by CAQ and PLQ MNAs who smell power. This is definitely going to be a gong show. So try a few fingers of Lagavulin - water only - it has a smoky quality that suits the present atmosphere in Quebec.

      Cheers

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    4. SQ, the world is watching. There are many more! We'll be exposing them to help you direct your honorable and honest efforts.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk1Qot2B19E

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    5. Sandy McTire
      ++++100

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  32. JBG,

    "Most of the countries in La Francophonie are places where most people are unlikely to ever set foot unless they are in the mining business."

    Is there something factually incorrect about this statement?


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    1. Is there something factually incorrect about the following statement? "African Americans are more likely than Asian Americans or Caucasian Americans to perform lower in SAT and IQ tests."

      You know there isn't, and you also know that the the above statement is indicative of racism. Why's that?

      Because the only reason someone would have for pointing it out is by implying that because there is a negative trait associated with a certain characteristic (poor African countries associated with French in your case, poor SAT test scores associated with black skin in mine) that it reflects badly on the characteristic itself. I.E., French is bad because people who speak it live in shitty countries use it, black skin is bad because people who have it perform badly on SAT or IQ tests.

      So, if you're pointing it out because you believe there is a causal link between the two, you are a bigot. I won't insult your intelligence by presuming that you're just pointing it out for no reason at all.

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    2. Yannick,

      What a canard! You have beeen lying in the weeds waiting for a thin reed with which to play the race card because on other threads I criticized you for a wiilingness to defend remarks about Nazis and because I suggested that you look deep within yourself as on more than one occasion ,out of all the countries in the world where atrocities take place, you chose to criticize Israel and without any relevance to the thread.

      In the present instance, you have ignored the context of the quotation, fabricated an irrelevant analogy and reached a conclusion that challenges the bar set by former UQUAM student Stephane Russell on another thread where after a lengthy analysis he concluded that Canada is a fascist country.

      The quotation is from a thread where someone asserted that French was an important global language. I opined that it was not because it is spoken only in Quebec, New Brunswick, a few other parts of Canada, France, part of Belgium, part of Switzerland. Monaco, Luxembourg and then elsewhere where one is rather unlikely to visit.There is nothing bigoted about pointing out facts. There is nothing wrong with learning or speaking French, but let us not exaggerate its importance globally.


      Unfortunately, you have such blinkers on that you are unable to focus. On this blog several persons have commented that you are an apologist for separatists and others. It is obvious from your comments that you are indeed an apologist, but the person you really should apologize for is yourself.

      Incidentally, my wife is a Quebecoise and a highly experienced therapist. She is the one who read your comments and suggested to me that you need to look deep within yourself.

      And by the way, I have cousins who are Acadians so I am well acquainted with French in New Brunswick.

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  33. FROM ED BROWN
    To keep the record straight, I didn't write the ten laws above. I doenloaded from C.L's rants and raves.
    I don't post o R and R bbut I do read it for fun. Ed

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  34. Man is Quebec ever hopeless.

    First, that pencil-necked little twerp, Leo Bureau-Blouin capitalizes on his 15 minutes to lock-in an 80K-a-year job at 21.

    Since that's more money than his summer job at Dairy Queen paid, he'll have no problems with the fact that he'll only see $62K of that salary.

    Oh wait, he promised to give away 25% of his salary to charity. How sweet - $46000 is what he gets.

    Still pretty good change for a 21-year-old.

    Good show young man...well played!

    Next up to bat, Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois.

    He didn't have a taste for politics (not just yet anyways), but he did have a taste for tapping into a body that is more powerful than government in Quebec.

    His new play?

    http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2012/09/13/lancien-leader-etudiant-decroche-un-emploi-a-la-csn

    And a "well played, sir" goes out to this spoiled middle-class communist too.

    So that's your lesson...right there...

    Incite spoiled, Beavis-and-Butthead students to "recognize their financial oppression" and have them torch small businesses, halt subway systems, loot the offices of politicians, threaten the lives of right-leaning journalists and you are building a career on what other countries would view as building a rap sheet.

    Incite cultural disharmony and you get the top job in provincial politics. Attend a funeral resulting from the animosity you created and you come off looking like you have a heart.

    I'd follow that up with yet another "well played..." but the problem is this - playing the Quebec electorate isn't that hard.

    I'm positive a few apologists will jump in and try to deny what I'm saying, but the proof's in the voter volatility.

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    1. The little shit-disturber who couldn’t pay his own rent, then eventually paid it in cash in an envelope left in his landlord’s mailbox, is hired by the CSN union (rather than continuing his supposedly important studies) and has just now flown off to France as a guest of the Communist newspaper L’Humanité in the suburbs of Paris.

      Wow, who ever saw that one coming?

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  35. BTW, just wanted to leave today's comment thread with the following three words about the PQ/seppie movement's present direction:

    CAUSE & EFFECT

    To be continued next thread.

    But let me put it to you this way...

    When a major sovereignist head of state declares that the seppie agenda won't work and MUST be abandoned, it's time to listen.

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  36. This restaurant had an English name but the judge asked the owner to change it! It's outrageous!
    http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/b4te+Neiges+forced+change+inappropriate+name/7239040/story.html

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  37. FROM ED BROWN
    Bouchard led his side in one referendum. He knows it's impossible. Francophones might vote for a sepratist government but they only want to feel supreme over the english. They don't want separation. They will say "to hell with her. It's my welfare will be gone when we lose the transfer payments. If you want them to vote no just ask them if they can live without income. Ed

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  38. FROM ED BROWN
    Sandy, I love what you said. It's right on. McTire is not a very common name. Are you by any chance a member of the McTire family who mother was the wife of Prime Minister Joe Clark. Incidentally, about yje sarcasm. It comes from having straight forward simple words twisted into some ambiguous meaning and made a mockery of. It makes one feel like, "why do I bother." Ed

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    1. ED, I think you are confusing the McTire family with the McTeers. We are a rather obscure branch of an ancient Scottish clan that has lived since time immemorial on a small island in the Outer, Outer Hebrides known as The Isle of Rubbah. Its present population is 16 souls and 750 sheep.

      Most of the McTires emigrated to North America many years ago. But our old home island is a very tolerant place where they still speak four languages - the gaelic (of course), english, french (in memory of Bonnie Prince Charlie), and sheep whispering. Thus we proud descendants of the Isle of Rubbah McTires have always approached the Quebec question with the open minds and language tolerance which characterizes our ancestral home. And we'll tak a cup o kindness yet - for auld lang syne

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  39. Very droll. Ed, if you want to have a look at Sandy McTire, just pull out some Canadian Tire Money and presto! There he is wearing his Tam o' Shanter.

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