Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Olympic Team a Tribute to Bilingualism and Respect

I cannot explain how much I loathe the thoroughly detestable bee-atch, that is Pauline Marois.

Over the years I've learned to despise her and her opportunistic husband, a two-bit promoter who made millions on the back of Quebec taxpayers whilst Pauline was sitting as a cabinet minister in a PQ government.
Alas I'm sure there's no connection to her position and him scoring a dream job running a government agency....ahem...

After running up almost 750 million dollars in deficits at the Société générale de financement (SGF) the government investment agency he was running, he was finally dumped asked to resign, but not before negotiating a sweetheart deal.

Incidentally, during his disastrous tenure at the SGF, it was typical for the Board of Directors to vote themselves up to a 50% bonus on their base salaries, all the while the corporation was posting losses amounting to hundreds of millions!

When he was finally pushed out the door, the loathsome Claude Blanchet cashed in a golden parachute that would make a Concordia rector blush in shame. It included close to $300,000 in severance and wait for it..... an $80,000 pension for life!
This after just a few short years of disastrous leadership.
"Blanchet settlement is way out of line ---  JOSEE LEGAULT
The Montréal Gazette Friday, May 30, 2003

..." The fact is that after days of discussions with the new government regarding the conditions of his departure that he had negotiated with the previous Parti Québécois government, the 56-year-old Blanchet left a very, very happy man. The night before Landry spoke out, Blanchet gave an interview to TQS. He was wearing a huge smile and said that he had no worries whatsoever about his future. And here's why.

Blanchet will be receiving one full year of salary: $257,500, plus an $18,000 bonus and an annual lifelong pension of $80,000 - that's $33,000 more a year than the previous government had agreed to. In exchange for this increase, he forewent $234,000 that combined his three-month notice and another generous bonus that went with the cancellation of his contract." 
Read the sordid details here (in French) or a previous post of mine, but prepared to be ill.
 
So when the sanctimonious Marois complains about government overpaying public servants or that Jean Charest was dishonest in accepting a supplemental salary from the Quebec Liberal Party, it's a bit hard to swallow the hypocrisy. She reminds me of that disgraced City of Montreal politician Benoit Labonté, who ran on a policy of sweeping corruption out of City Hall, only to be outed as a liar who accepted over $100,000 in under the table contributions from the infamous Tony Accurso. Link{Fr}


Marois is a your typical rich bitch, a cynical manipulator, who has not an ounce of respect for the hoi-polloi.
I remember her offering a televised guided tour of the rather modest country shack she bought in Charlevoix (from where she is elected) to support the fiction that she and her hubby are just common folk.

What a lie!
At the time, her real home was a Jed Clampett type mansion in Laval, acquired on government land through dubious shenanigans.
Check out the pictures of where she really lived.
What a two-faced manipulator!

So pardon me for my cynicism, when it comes to giving lessons to Jean Charest about honesty or anyone else for that matter, Marois has the moral authority of a televangelist à la Jim Baker.

At any rate, all this comes around to the fact that I never thought I could think less of this nasty hypocritical political opportunist until last week when she went out of her way to wish Quebec Olympic athletes good luck, while pointedly ignoring Canadians and even francophones from outside Quebec.

An ugly display of narrow-minded exclusionism and small-mindedness, which I expect, represents the basis of her personal political philosophy.

Perhaps it is easier to understand her enmity towards the Canadian Olympic team, when one puts into context the machinations of the separatist mind.

A right thinking analyst might imagine that separatists like Marois would maintain an elevated level of hate towards what they perceive as Anglophone rednecks, Quebec bashers and the Conservatives and Harper supporters that treat Quebec and the French language with what they characterize as disdain and disrespect.
But you'd be wrong.

Truth be told, these foils serve her purpose rather neatly, they are enemies that she and other separatists can rail against, giving rise to public dis-satisfaction with Canada and fomenting support for the sovereigntist cause.

It's been the hallmark of the sovereigntist movement to build whatever momentum they have, based on the 'unfair' and 'disrespectful' treatment of Quebec and francophones at the hands of the evil federalists in the ROC.
Pissing, moaning and wallowing in eternal collective self-pity of the put-upon victim is the most essential element in the sovereigntist tool kit. They've refined the drama for over forty years and anything that offers proof to the contrary, represents a dangerous threat to the narrative.

And so, it is perhaps easy to understand that Canada's Olympic team is everything that Pauline Marois and her political clan fear about Canada.

Canada's Olympic team is without a doubt, a paragon of righteousness, a team dedicated to the proposition of bilingualism and inclusion.

If bilingualism and biculturalism has largely failed across Canada, it hasn't failed on the Canadian Olympic team, which not only talks the talk, but walks the walk.

The Canadian Olympic Association has done an admirable job in making sure that all Canadian elements, especially Quebecers and francophones feel at home, respected and valued. The leadership of the organization is carefully crafted to include francophones and respect for the French language is a cornerstone of its credo.
Although athletes are chosen to the team based on merit alone, administrative and leadership roles are carefully balanced to reflect the Canadian realty.

It is this very scenario that scares the crap out of separatists like Marois.

For them, watching Quebec francophones proudly compete under the auspices of the red maple leaf, is as the old Ayatollah Khomeini said, "like drinking a cup of poison"

In fact, francophone Olympic athletes are the antithesis of separatists, they embrace excellence, personal responsibility, hard work, have a world view and understand the importance of learning and expressing themselves in English.
For Olympic athletes, who may be just about the most motivated people in the world, learning another language isn't a challenge, just another small hurdle to overcome.

Even Anglophone athletes, many who train in Montreal, make it their business to learn French, people like Clara Hughes and Jenifer Heil, even made Quebc their homes, unafraid of embracing a new culture and language.

Canada's first medalists, the beautifully bilingual Jenifer Abel and Émilie Heymans are typical of those francophones on the Olympic team who understood the importance of learning English.
Gushing in both English and French interviews, they instantly became heroes to all Canadians.

DING DING DING! Do I hear the endorsement caravan beating a path to their door? 

For winners like these, learning English or French isn't a bother, impediment or barrier, it is a necessity and more to the point a mark of pride.

No, I don't imagine there are many separatists on Canada's Olympic team, the athletes are too busy being successful, travelling the world representing our country, to worry about the pettiness of metro ticket takers refusing to service clients in English.

When our athletes marched into the Olympic stadium in those instantly recognizable Canadian uniforms, it didn't matter to us if they were francophone, anglophone, black, white, native or ethnic, nor was their respective religion of any consequence.
It was the scarlet uniform, emblazoned with the word CANADA across the chest that bound the athletes together, and bound them to us, no matter where we live and where they come from in this country.

But for some, like Pauline Marois, the Olympics is a sad reminder of reality.
For her and her frustrated militants, watching Quebecers march proudly as equal and valued teammates in the Canadian family mosaic, is a difficult pill to swallow.

When Quebecers win medals they proudly stand before the world under the Canadian flag and when on occasion, the Canadian anthem plays, the whole vigile.net community bite their lips and cower in rage.

Oh what sweet fun!


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  1. What more can we say, Editor?

    Where is Lieutenant Aldo Raines when you need him?

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    1. Indeed GensDenis. When a Lieutenant Aldo Raine will help us? Our basic human rights are denied here in Quebec.

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    2. Westmounter,

      The Lieutenant Aldo Raines comment was a question posed for the benefit of conversations from the previous post.

      Our basic human rights are not denied here in Quebec because Quebec is part of Our Country. But the racist bill 101 has both French and English having to fight for our rights more.

      Like James John sais, imagine worse corruption with racism, division and sabotage thrown on top? How gross!

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  2. Thats what I say about the PQunt, imagine worse corruption with racism, division and sabotage thrown on top? How gross!

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  3. Yes!

    Finally the comments firewall is up. I do hope it helps somewhat in keeping out the likes of S.R., Doug Nutt and all the other trolls who narrow-mindedly support the sovereignist option without ever bringing in any of its dynamics (or lack thereof) into question.

    Which brings us to Marois.

    Now, I don't like ANY sovereignists (with the exception of my family members)...but I don't hate Lucien Bouchard. I don't hate Bernard Landry (I used to work with him in a non-political job and we actually got on very well), and I don't hate André Boisclair either.

    However, I can say I absolutely loathe Pauline Marois.

    Of all the PQ leaders, she is the first one since Uncle Jacques to make my blood boil like she does.

    She is the complete and total contradiction of all the values and ideals that the PQ supposedly stands for in being a rich little byatch who lives in a castle, goes NOWHERE in public without her personal driver and is far removed from the general population.

    However, the Editor got it spot on with this line:

    "It's been the hallmark of the sovereigntist movement to build whatever momentum they have, based on the 'unfair' and 'disrespectful' treatment of Quebec and francophones at the hands of the evil federalists in the ROC."

    And that is Marois' only point of connection - and very the reason she and the sovereignist movement is destined for imminent collapse...because her only appeal is to the lowest common denominator of our society.

    Care for a candid snapshot of the type of cousins-make-dozens, closer-kin-deeper-in types Marois is making the sale to?

    Here you go: http://journalquebecpresse.org/uploads/rue_amherst3_400.jpg

    I'll tell you this much - I am very happy an immature, socially inept douche like Marois is leading the PQ into the coming election and not Duceppe.

    Oh, and after the debate I had with my sovereignist cousin in which she lambasted Jean Charest for being "dirty," I can't wait to send her this article, with all its sub-links, so she can she what a filthy rat the leader of her party is.

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    1. I liked the picture of that winner that you linked to and I thought some people might be curious to know why anyone would protest against Amherst Street. After all, there are plenty of places and streets named after Jeffery Amherst (the victorious British general who conquered Louisbourg, Quebec City and Montreal and who became the first Governor of the Province of Quebec following the fall of New France) on both sides of the border: Amherst, Nova Scotia; Amherstburg, Ontario; Amherst, Massachusetts; Amherst, New Hampshire; Amherst, New York; etc…

      Rather than celebrating Montreal’s diversity and cosmopolitanism, some people wish to deny the history of Montreal and its anglophone component. In 2009, City councillor (and future Bloc Québécois candidate) Nicolas Montmorency proposed systematically “francising” all Montreal streets that have English names in order to fight against the “anglicization” of Montreal. People like him are more concerned about the naming of a street after an 18th-century British field marshal (infamous for later approving a plan to use biological warfare (blankets with smallpox) against besieging Native Americans in Ohio and Illinois) than with the naming a major metro station after a 20th-century anti-Semite but Quebec nationalist Lionel-Adolphe Groulx. Evidently, renaming streets is a greater priority than economic development or improving urban services and the quality of life of Montrealers.

      Harvey, I hope you don’t take any blood pressure medication because this letter posted on the Impératif Français website will make your blood boil. It proposes, for example, renaming Amherst St. to rue Toussaint-Louverture in order to celebrate the independence of Haiti instead of a victorious British general. The letter was written in 2003 by an arrogant Parisian informing us how we should be naming our own streets. (It’s even dated April 1st, making me hope it was only an April Fool’s joke. Unfortunately, it was not.) I presume he hasn’t similarly written other letters proposing the renaming of streets in other countries that are named after 18th century French generals who may ever have done bad things. Considering that France abandoned Quebec in favour of Guadeloupe (and also that it also pillaged Haiti so much and for so long that it continues to be impoverished to this day), the French writer’s arrogance is simply breathtaking.

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    2. Le chat : Nous sommes chez nous,nous faisons ce que nous voulons.Si nous voulons un environnement français,nous aurons un environnement français.Point à la ligne.

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    3. S.R,

      Stick around and watch.
      You are going to lose a large part of OurBelleProvince to
      LA PROVINCE CANADIENNE DE MONTREAL soon enough. Your racism has made a mockery of our French heritage and our right to live in peace with our English brothers!

      Disgusting!!

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    4. S.R. - De là à effacer toute trace de l'anglais... on se croirait dans 1984.

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    5. Hey Cat, thanks for the link, but believe me, I still haven't forgotten about that entire incident.

      As for S.R. "Nous sommes chez nous,nous faisons ce que nous voulons.Si nous voulons un environnement français,nous aurons un environnement français.Point à la ligne."

      Nous? Who you talking about? Me? You? Us? Tell you this much...I'm a proud Franco/Anglo and with that being said I hereby deny your right to tell others how to live. When you use the word "nous" just remember that it only includes YOU and your little KKK-without-the-white-sheets friends.

      Get an education.

      Get yourself some culture.

      Try leaving La Belle Province for once in your ignorant life and discover how other people live and different ways in which the world works.

      Until you improve as a person, don't come on this website with your hillbilly-with-a-pitchfork mentality.

      Le Québec pour TOUT le monde!

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    6. Je suis bien heureux que les anglophones du ROC n'aient pas la même mentalité. Ainsi en Alberta on pourrait renommer la ville Grande-Prairie à "Great Prairie", Beaumont à "Pretty Hill", Leduc à "TheDuke". En effet, pourquoi garder ces noms d'un temps révolu où il y avait des francophones en bon nombre en alberta?

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    7. J'aimerais mieux pouvoir parler français à "Pretty Hill" que l'anglais à Beaumont.

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    8. Pourtant, tu sembles avoir de la difficulté à parler en français sur la rue Amherst...

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    14. @ Yannick,

      There are still a lot of French place names in the rest of Canada. Moreover, the other provinces don't have the equivalent of the "Commission de la Toponymie du Quebec" which falls under the influence of Bill 101 and was established to rename English place names in Quebec to French ones.

      The other provinces also don't have a multitude of A-holes constantly calling for the displacement of French place names, as happens with English in Quebec.

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    15. I believe that was the point I was trying to make.

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    16. Yannick, I just wanted to give you a tip of the hat. I mean, today's posts really demanded a lot of patience on your part and you never once blew your top.

      Cheers!

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    18. Effectivement que c'est dommage. Je n'excuse en rien le chauvinisme des provinces Canadiennes dans le passé; il y aurait aujourd'hui beaucoup plus de francophones si l'éducation, les services gouvernementaux n'avaient pas été bannis en français dans maintes provinces et si les anglophones de ces provinces avaient été plus respectueux envers leur minorité.

      C'est également dommage que le Québec justifie cette approche intolérante en la pratiquant de nos jours dans notre époque plus civilisée. Je vais me répéter encore une fois et dire que ceux qui font usage du feu pour combattre le feu ne sont dans aucune position pour moraliser contre l'usage du feu.

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    19. Alors on fait quoi?On se laisse bouffer?Notre terrain est inondé mais c'est pas une raison pour fermer les portes de la maison?Expliquez votre logique s.v.p.

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    20. Vous pourriez montrer l'exemple en faisant la promotion du français sans être anti-bilingue.

      Par exemple, forcer les gens à démontrer qu'ils ne peuvent pas parler français avant de les servir en anglais, c'est hostile et mesquin.

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    21. "Vous pourriez montrer l'exemple en faisant la promotion du français sans être anti-bilingue"

      Le jour ou les Québécois seront tous bilingues en amérique du Nord et dans un contexte de mondialisation,à quoi servira le français?Connaissez-vous un seul exemple au cours de l'histoire ou une majorité n'a pas assimiler sa minorité?

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    22. Pas besoin que tout ou tout le monde soit bilingue, seulement certains services gouvernementaux comme le service de santé (et même là que certains hopitaux) et les commerces qui le voudront bien.

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    23. "...c'est hostile et mesquin."

      Essayez donc d'avoir des services gouvernementaux en espagnole aux É.U,les americains sont-ils hostiles et mesquins?Je ne crois pas,l'anglais est tout simplement la langue de communication officielle et au Québec,c'est le français.Les nouveaux arrivants devront s'habituer ou aller vivre en ontario.

      Combien d'hispanophones aux États-unis?

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    24. Le Nouveau-Mexique compte 42% d'hispanophones et est le seul état officiellement bilingue. Après, le Texas et la Californie comptent chaqun 33% d'hispanophones. Moi je crois qu'à ce niveau là, ils ont droit à leurs services en espagnol.

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    25. Oui Yannick, et moi, j'ai vu un surprennant nombre des signes en espagnol et anglais a New York

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    26. Harvey Dent likes rock NOT rapWednesday, August 1, 2012 at 6:13:00 PM EDT

      Actually, where I live (Rosemont-Petite Patrie) quite a number of signs are exclusively in Spanish. So why haven't the hatemongers gone after them? Same reason they don't chase down Mandarin-only signs in Chinatown...

      ...They know they'd finally get called out for attacking VISIBLE minorities and don't have the guts to go for it.

      And this is why I won't even dignify Doug Nutt, S.R. (BTW, S.R. is Sébastien Ricard from Loco Locass - thought y'all should know) and OQLF with any answers anymore.

      I actually saw Sébastien Ricard posing for pictures outside of the Gainzbar on St.Hubert street the other day and couldn't help but find it sad to see a 40-year-old man dress like a 13-year-old boy.

      I won't even touch the fact that this separatist musician chose an Anglo-American musical style as his platform for expression.

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    27. Or erm, just maybe it's because they don't feel threatened by any minority but English? I mean, it's not like people are falling over each other to learn Spanish and Mandarin...

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    29. Harvey Dent just Roadhoused Sébastien RicardWednesday, August 1, 2012 at 8:45:00 PM EDT

      Dang! Sébastien Ricard aka S.R. posted while I was out and got zapped before I returned. Oh well, I'm sure it only had something to do with how breakfast cereal in Québec is somehow superior to breakfast cereal made in the ROC.

      As for Spanish & Mandarin - I'm working to master my Spanish now and will be taking Mandarin lessons sometime this winter, which brings me to ask our separatist leaders...

      ...once I learn Mandarin that'll bring me to a total of four languages...and you can't learn just ONE additional language?

      OK, enough of this - I have a bottle of Spanish wine begging me to guzzle it.

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    30. Thanks Harvey ! for letting us know..I imagine that must have burned pretty good too..like a lite cigarette dropped between the legs while driving fast at night on a narrow curvy road...Ha ha ha... Harvey please do explain about his musical style ...I'm sure we would all love to hear ..including SR

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    31. Pas besoin que tout ou tout le monde soit bilingue, seulement certains services gouvernementaux comme le service de santé (et même là que certains hopitaux) et les commerces qui le voudront bien.

      Désolé Yannick mais je ne suis pas d'accord avec toi. Oui, les services gouvernementaux devraient être bilingues de font en comble, mais il faut aussi mettre l'accent sur le bilinguisme (au moins un bilinguisme fonctionnel) chez les individus. À défaut d'avoir un pays (Canada ou Québec indépendant) où on assimile de force tout le monde vers l'une ou l'autre langue, je trouve inacceptable que nous n'investissions pas dans les secteurs d'éducation nécessaires pour permettre à nos jeunes à pouvoir se parler dans les décennies à venir. Le besoin est plus criant au Québec pour l'apprentissage de l'anglais, mais il est tout aussi important que nos concitoyens du RoC apprécient à sa juste valeur la langue de Molière et se débrouillent fonctionnellement voire couramment dans celle-ci.

      Ça peut se faire dans une ou deux générations et je pense qu'une fois la menace séparatiste neutralisée par l'immigration et les virages politiques que connait le Québec, ça devra être un des défis à relever à l'échelle nationale.

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    32. Pourtant, tu sembles avoir de la difficulté à parler en français sur la rue Amherst...
      Très bien dit.

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    33. @Yannick: Bill 101 explicitly states that French is to predominate over all other languages, not just English, therefore it is being selectively applied against English only.

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    34. Pas de surprise mais je suis tout a fait d'accord avec Apparatchik

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    35. Moi je suis plutôt d'accord avec SR, quand tous les Québecois parleront anglais les anglophones du ROC se diront que les services et l'éducation en français ça coûte trop cher pour rien. On a déjà plein de monde qui viennent argumenter ça, en disant que seuls les unilingues français devraient reçevoir des services dans leur langue.

      Je trouve que c'est un beau rêve, mais seulement si la mentalité de l'autre bord de la clôture change, sinon on se tire dans le pied en poussant le bilinguisme partout et pour tous.

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    36. @2:17
      Primo, est-ce que les États-Unis ont été créés en tant que confédération entre les hispanophones et les anglophones ? Non. Ton argument est nul.

      Secundo, les services en espagnol (note bien l’épellation puisque tu te dis être tellement fier du français) sont très répandus là où souhaité, offerts par respect à la population et non pas artificiellement imposés en anglais seulement pour tenter de forcer la population à s’adapter. Encore une fois, ton argument est nul.

      Tertio, tu crains l’assimilation d’une main et pourtant tu prônes l’assimilation forcée de l’autre. Ton argument est non seulement illogique et irrespectueux mais, encore une fois, nul.

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    37. @Yannick, je veux bien que ce soit une situation fâchante. Or, es-tu de l’opinion que la situation idéale (hormis le bilinguisme mur-à-mur) serait que l'on soit tous unilingues ?

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    38. Non, je crois qu'apprendre de differentes langues nous ouvre sur le monde et nous permet de nous epanouir; cela va deux fois pour l'anglais puisque c'est actuellement la langue de l'enseignement, du commerce et de la culture dans le monde entier.

      Toutefois, je ne veux pas etre puni pour avoir apprit une deuxieme langue en m'enlevant mes services bilingues.

      J'ajouterais meme que la raison d'etre des services bilingues, c'est pour que tout le monde ne soit pas force d'apprendre les deux langues et pour que ca reste un choix personnel, sinon a quoi bon?

      Tu m'excuseras mon clavier anglais qui ne sait pas faire les accents, j'ecris ca vite d'un terminal.

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    39. Mettons, que je suis d'accord si ca se fait des deux cotes, mais je ne suis pas pour le bilinguisme universel d'un seul bord, et je crains que c'est ca que ca deviendrait.

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  4. Ah yes, I'm sure the site of all the Canadian Flags must bring every seperatist to a boil. How dare Canada consider all athletes as proud and equal members of our Canadian society ? How dare Canada's athletes be proud of their country ?

    Douchebags like Marois and all her followers can rant and whine from their ivory towers all they want. I will spend my time cheering for my fellow Canadians regardless of what language they speak. And I'll be doing in both languages too.

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    1. Whenever I hear Alexandre Despatie and Alexandre Bilodeau speaking in flawless English about their Olympic experiences (or Marc Garneau talking about his experiences using the Canadarm on the Space Shuttle with the recently-deceased Sally Ride), I’m reminded that this is how the francophones that I know really are. Despatie et al. are proudly representing Canada at the Olympics in London both in French and English. They haven’t fallen victim to the hateful “peuple conquis” rhetoric because they’re too busy being successful. Consequently, they don’t have that odious “us vs. them” mentality which has resulted in seppies trying to coercively impose their culture on everyone else. They don’t think of French and English as being a zero-sum game (that is, any advancement of one is done directly at the loss of the other). There is none of this perpetual whining about the fear of being assimilated or disappearing, seething with hate, division and revenge like a typical seppie. They are moving on with their lives, being successful and all the while, are rightly proud of their culture.

      PS: Canada has won 4 medals so far. Grats to the six medal winners… four of whom were born in Quebec and the other 2 who grew up in Quebec, incidentally… ;-)

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    2. The Cat, I agreed with you wholeheartedly

      That is, until I read the phrase "perpetual whining about the fear of being assimilated or disapearing" - which I take issue with. You'll find the same not only within seppies and in Quebec, but in New-Brunswick and francophone communities throughout Canada as well. Assimilation is a real thing, even if it's a demographic process that isn't easily identifiable in day-to-day individual actions.

      I don't think that being worried/sad/afraid of one's culture disappearing is by necessity hateful or racist. I'm successful myself, (in the ROC and not within the training-wheels job market that is Quebec) and that doesn't stop me from being apprehensive for the future of the francophone communities in the ROC.

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    3. Yannick, I didn’t say it wasn’t a real thing, I said you don’t hear them whining about it perpetually. I’m well aware that it’s a real thing, as the vanished anglophone communities in the Gaspé, the Eastern Townships and the Pontiac following the aggressive attempts at eradicating anglo-Quebec communities will attest.

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    4. Yannick,

      I was going to say something on your fear, and remembered that I had done it before.
      Tell the separatists to stop whining! You can't legislate pride!

      For more than 450 years Greece was occupied by the Ottoman (Turkish) Empire. While Greece was under siege, the world came out off the dark ages into La Renaissance leaving Greece far behind, even though Europe was celebrating the Greek contributions to humanity.

      History recalls the Turkish Empire as one of the most brutally barbaric the world has ever known, yet the Greeks were not deterred. During those 450+ years, the Greeks rebelled countess times and never gave up on their culture or their language. More than 650 years have passed and if you enter any of the many Greek owned restaurants, you will notice how Greeks have kept their language and coulter while embracing Canada and living both in French and English. The point in question is, how can French, an international language protected by Canada, disappear and how dare the French language Taliban expect to wipe out the official Language of North America without serious resistance?

      This hatred which the Separatist Taliban has for English will come back to haunt them once the 320 million North Americans will have just had enough. If separatist think they can continue to hide behind words like democracy while raping their fellow citizens basic human rights, they should remember that proud cultures don’t give in to the terrorism that a measly special interest group spews.

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    5. @Cat : It's true they don't whine about it continuously; my point is that doesn't necessarily mean they're unconcerned.

      @GensDenis : The valiant Greeks lived in a world without the internet or public schooling. Exposure increases the rate of language consolidation - especially (and this is no longer the case since Canada passed the OLA) when public schooling is done in a different language. But point taken.

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    6. Yes, because public schooling, the internet and a small anglo population is worse than living under 450 years of brutal Turkish rule. You only disgrace yourself by being an apologist for the racists.

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    7. Completely off-topic James John. I don't even know what that has to do with assimilation.

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    8. You‘ve pointed to “fear of assimilation“ as an excuse for separacist behaviour on several occasions.

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    9. Yannick,

      For a man who loves detail, you sure do conveniently miss the point!
      Assimilation? How the hell we going to lose our culture if we love it? you dare to compare the most barbaric empire in history to the fact that we live in the most peace loving country on earth?
      Man, you sure don't have much faith in FrancoCanadians!!

      The racist room 101 segregation law is disgusting and you know it!!

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    10. An explanation is different from an excuse. One of them implies that the behaviour is morally justifiable, the other one meerly tries to understand the motivation behind the behaviour.

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    11. GensDenis - You're the one trying to tell me that assimilation can't take place in Canada because of the Turks, don't blame me for talking about it. It's apples and oranges from beginning to end, you can't compare a dark ages rural community with religion clearly setting them appart from their masters to today's Canada with incredible communication/mobile workforce and the opportunities of living in English. It's two entirely different situations that have nothing to do with each other.

      You guys in Quebec are probably safe (though the seperatists love to pretend otherwise), but in the ROC the situation has been deteriorating for a long time. It's to the point where I'm starting to believe that only New-Brunswick and Ontario will be able to retain their francophone populations/culture. Everywhere else the francophone populations are exclusively in rural areas with the young ones leaving to pursue work opportunities, so I have a hard time seeing how they can stay vital outside of New-Brunswick.

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    12. As for 101, I'm on the record for saying that requiring French-only (or French-bigger) signage is insulting. That the constant removal of english services/english names is mean-spirited and means to erase all trace of English from the province. The proposed extensions of 101 to cegep or university are even more alarming.

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    13. You're still talking through your hat!!
      The comparison is correct!
      Disgusting RacistRoom 101 SegregationLaws are no answer and you bloody well know it, Yan!!

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    14. And extending it to daycare to make the segregation complete.
      Not to mention the creation of an anglo ID card in order to yank english language health services. How disgusting!

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    15. I'm not in favour of Bill 101, especially not outside Quebec where the assimilation is actually a concern. What's your problem?

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    16. I‘m not the one constantly making excuses for the separacists. What‘s your problem?

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    17. "...the creation of an anglo ID card"

      Honnêtement je crois que ces nouvelles séries de mesures mises en place ne feront qu'améliorer le service,autant pour les anglophones que pour les Québécois.

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    18. My problem is that you're butting in my conversation with GensDenis by assigning me opinions that I don't hold without contributing anything of value to the discussion.

      If you think, for instance, that francophones are wrong to fear/worry about assimilation, then I'd love to hear your arguments.

      If you think that assimilation is real but francophones shouldn't care, then I'd love to hear your arguments.

      But all you're doing is trying to discredit me by the tactic of guilt by association.

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    19. "But all you're doing is trying to discredit me by the tactic of guilt by association."

      Yannick,cette tactic est vieille comme le monde,Charessst l'utilise encore régulièrement dailleurs.

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    20. I still cannot figure out how a province of 8 million in the most decentralized country in the world that has been speaking french for over 400 years is suddenly one day going to stop speaking french. In Quebec there is no threat of assimilation, the % of english speakers has gone down in every census since confederation. Its the PQ with help from apologists like yourself, who constantly keep this fear alive. I know what their motivation is, but I can‘t figure out yours.
      Lets just say that the assimilation of the french in Quebec was real. It still would not excuse all the racism, hatred, and shitty slippery slope laws. Why discredit and insult the french in Quebec by insinuating their only means of survival are fascist laws and a demonization of les autres? If thats the case then its a sick culture that deserves to die out.
      So tell me why you defend and give legitimacy to these racists?

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    21. "It still would not excuse all the racism, hatred, and shitty slippery slope law"

      Il ne s'agit-là que de la perception de quelques angryphones frustrés.

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    22. If you had read my posts, you would know that I only spoke of assimilation of small francophone communities in the ROC. As a ROC francophone, it's a more pressing matter to me than the continuation of Saguenay as a unilingual francophone region.

      It's my understanding (as supported by Apparatchik in the last thread) that this assimilation is used as political currency by the PQ in order to scare people into voting oui. I would hope that federalists are concerned out of sympathy for their fellow Franco-Canadians, but this is probably wishful thinking.

      And that's all I talked about - Bill 101, separatism, Quebec in general are only tangentially related. I think there's a case to be said that Montreal could anglicize itself under certain circumstances (which are not met at the moment), but the rest of Quebec is quite safe under the current climate.

      I completely agree with the gist of your post, except for how you continuously conflate all separatists as racists, and how you define every time I don't join the condemnation bandwaggon as being an "apologist". Wanting to form an independent country is not in and of itself racist, even if the methods taken by the political party that advocates it are themselves intolerant.

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    23. "So tell me why you defend and give legitimacy to these racists?"

      I'll take a moment to explain this. I think that by demonizing a whole group of people who you think are racist and intolerant, you stoop to their level and give up the moral high ground. You conveniently ignore that I call out racist statements not only from "your camp", but also the ones dropped off in OQLF-style drive-by commenting.

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    24. I have said it once and I‘ll say it again, I hardly put blame on a unilingual from the regions who goes through Separatist Factory schooling, is never exposed to anyone different then them, only sees anglos and ethnics through the filter of racist Quebec politicians and media. I don‘t think racism truly lies in their hearts. But the elites? The ones who run off to the London School of Economics, or open a practice in New England, or make sure their children learn 5 languages and come back and spew their politics of division and hatred, they are 100% racists as they know exactly what they are doing. And I don‘t give a damn if they say please and thank you.
      Now let‘s look at the party that represents them, the PQunt, constantly playing the us and them card and inciting hatred by pointing out and blaming specific groups for the referendum loss. Just recently we had the racists screaming about halal meat, proposing the Marois Identity Act and Bill 593. Every group has their racists, but when it goes beyond street talk and into the government in waiting, I am allowed to be disgusted.

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    25. by demonizing a whole group of people who you think are racist and intolerant, you stoop to their level and give up the moral high ground

      Suis d'accord.

      Aussi, j'ai peur de l'assimilation des communautés francophone a l'extérior du Québec. Au Québec, je ne prévoit actuellement aucune vraie risque.

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    26. re: Whining

      A certain amount of whining is human! Everyone needs to take stock of their world and their time and examine what they're not satisfied with.

      At a point, whining becomes damaging and counter-productive, to your own self. I think many many separatists (not all) fall into this category… too much whining and too little action for too long.

      It's easy to be a whiner; you slide into it. It's not a character defect so much as a bad habit.

      I mentioned above about new linguistic communities in Canada, growing and strong.
      They're not whining; they're getting the job they want done, done.
      (Some Indians (from India) feel that First Nations Indians are whiners; they've immigrated from Asia and founded family dynasties and created success and perceive indigenous Indians as "all-talk" ("all-whine").

      Certainly the gay community is made up of 'doers' and 'whiners'.
      Look at the conflict in the black community in the USA; there are people who whine about the present, and there are MLK's and Bill Cosby's and Condoleeza Rice's. It's an ongoing debate.
      Sub-communities like AIDS activism or heck, even Star Trek fandom, etc, have a lot of whiners.

      I liked the Editors' "too busy being successful" description personally; I certainly know some anglo-Canadians who whine about French etc, and they too could stop whining and start doing something constructive.

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    27. James John : Yes you are allowed to be disgusted. I'm disgusted too by bill 593. Just because someone votes PQ doesn't mean they agree 100% with all of the platform, though. I know I have a hard time voting usually because there are some things I like in one candidate and some things I like in others. I don't think being a separatist is necessarily the same thing as being a racist.

      As for the Elites, we had that discussion before. You called me naïve. Let's just not go there again and say we did, ok?

      @JBG : I'm not sure about the whole whining thing. I think some people who are successful do not account for the privilege/luck that they enjoyed, and then lord it over the ones who didn't (not people who came here with almost nothing like the recent immigrants, though). It's easy to say "I got mine, why are you complaining?" because it means you can just brush the problem away. Like, say, women are still not being treated fairly in many disciplines yet "stop whining" is a common response whenever someone brings the subject up.

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    28. It's my understanding (as supported by Apparatchik in the last thread) that this assimilation is used as political currency by the PQ in order to scare people into voting oui. I would hope that federalists are concerned out of sympathy for their fellow Franco-Canadians, but this is probably wishful thinking.

      Of course it is used as political currency. And as I've mentioned before, it's disingenuous and selfish both because it tells French-Canadians in the RoC that French-Canadians in Quebec are only really committed to "fighting assimilation" as long as they're in Quebec. Once again we're pitying the (bigger) victim while being culpably negligent by standling idly by licking our own paper cuts.

      Fundamentally, I think the sympathy for RoC francophones might not be the first or second reason Quebec federalists have for voting No, but I'm sure that for many, it's not far behind. One surprise I have is that we don't hear the RoC francophones screaming louder about the need for Quebec to stay in Canada and for calling on our provinceto play a responsible leadership role in helping curtail assimilation and instead promote biculturalism and bilingualism, (and calling out the PQ on its 4 decades of hypocrisy) rather than pretending each province is a separate republic and that we wear blindfolds until it suits half of us politically.

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    29. Well, I certainly missed out on a conversation here.

      Yannick I have to say that your spat with James John, who understood what I was telling you, has made me realize that you are an expert at Circular logic.

      I began by telling you that I don’t agree with the assimilation lie and gave the 450+ year siege of Greeks as the example that if you love your culture you don’t need oppress others to keep it.
      You dismiss it with the Internet bullshit excuse.



      Circular logic is where one bullshit argument is proven by another bullshit argument until your original argument is proven by itself. Stupid people will actually fall for this and then a winner is you; clever people however will see through your flawed points. This is when you should tell them to check their facts and take that time to think of real case for your POV. Alternatively, just use the troll method by pretending (if necessary) that you were just trying to piss them off the whole time.

      Although I like you, and many of the things you say, I am realizing that you get off on being an agitator.

      My view of you rationalizing the treasonous separatists is that you constantly change the argument to go to the unprovable. You say things like just because someone is a separatist, doesn’t mean they are racist. You know full well that by throwing that in, it derails the conversation from the point, which is that the separatist movement is based on jealousy, racism, and revenge!

      To me, it feels like my leg is being sawed off, while I’m being told in a polite manner that the scrapes and bruises on my arms will heal.

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  5. I must confess I have little comment for this particular subject as long as it costs Quebec taxpayers and not federal. Just another couple of freeloading leeches who won't buy the cow because the milk is free

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    1. As the Editor wrote, she and her husband are typical separatists: Liars, manipulators and freeloaders.

      As for the athletes, it's to their benefit to learn the official language that is not their mother tongue. Gaetan Boucher benefitted from commercial endorsements in English thanks to his learning it. In addition, these athletes are exposed to many languages and cultures due to their competing internationally that they clearly see the benefit of learning other languages, especially with over 300 million people speaking English in North America.

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    2. So when you are surrounded by an English speaking ocean, you learn to swim. You learn English!!

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    3. Pourquoi se mouiller quand nous pouvons naviguer?

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    4. Because the territory is not yours!!!

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  6. I dig the palace piece.

    Information showing these troublemakers are in the game to benefit a lifestyle not many Canadian's enjoy is imperative and the dazzling process they goto to attaining special preferences.

    Corruption on behalf of any leader in Canada is a major concern to me. Corporations are messing up the accountability process by romancing politicians Canada wide.

    i'm sure companies like Enbridge love these little fires that burn taking attention away from our countries resources being exploited to the max.

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  7. ATTENTION READERS:

    IT SEEMS THAT NOT EVERYONE WHO HAS JOINED CAN SUCCESSFULLY COMMENT.

    UNTIL I FIGURE THINGS OUT I'M RETURNING TO AN OPEN SYSTEM AS BEFORE.

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    1. There has to be an easier way maybe it's all the traffic you get. Could be those pesky Red Surge poking around

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  8. And of course, here is what I was waiting for all day: http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-quebecoise/201207/31/01-4561103-le-quebec-pourrait-briller-aux-jeux-olympiques-selon-marois.php

    Pauline, you didn't disappoint. You really are every bit "the street" Charest proclaimed you to be.

    Now, regarding all the anti-Canadian education going on in our little separatist factories: http://nodogsoranglophones.blogspot.ca/2012/07/french-versus-english-volume-59.html

    ...as of August 20th, it's all going to change.

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  9. I came across this and thought it was relevant.

    After her medal turn, Girard was being grilled in the mixed zone when a francophone reporter asked her, given her background, did she consider herself an Ontarian, a Quebecer or a British Columbian.

    Girard opened her hands to the reporters and displayed 10 fingernails that had been painted alternately red and white.

    "Je suis une Canadienne," she said.


    source

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    2. Moi aussi, j'ai habité en les mêmes trois provinces

      Tout le monde me demande laquelle est le meilleur... je dis toujours qu'elles sont toutes formidable et que les aime égalment.

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    3. Moi j'ai habité en Alberta, au Nouveau-Brunswick, en Ontario et en Nouvelle-Écosse.

      Alberta est de loin la pire! Mais les autres étaient toutes sympas :) Maintenant je vais peut-être vivre au Québec, si je n'ai pas trop gouré l'interview.

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    4. Maintenant je vais peut-être vivre au Québec, si je n'ai pas trop gouré l'interview.

      Coudonc y prennent ben leur temps pour prendre une décision. Me semble que ça déjà fait un bout?

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    5. Girard opened her hands to the reporters and displayed 10 fingernails that had been painted alternately red and white.

      "Je suis une Canadienne," she said.


      You should have linked to this article instead:

      «Regardez mes ongles, a-t-elle lancé en montrant ses doigts, qui alternaient entre le vernis à ongles blanc et rouge. Cette médaille va au Canada, je suis une Canadienne à part entière.»

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    6. Apparatchik, j'ai passé l'interview que hier, juillet était un mois occupé pour tout le monde. ;)

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  10. La Marois says that she thinks Quebec anglos should vote for the PQ, a party that is “very open to the English community” and “which have respect [sic] the English community”!!!!!!!

    What a forked-tongue, two-faced she-devil!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37Jmx_TcYCs

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    1. I think her mind is so twisted that she thinks not stripping people of their citizenship and “allowing“ them to stay in Quebec=respect. I see the PQunts on twitter who are in utter shock that people consider them racist and exclusionary.

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    2. English Community?

      PaulineAntoinette Hélicoptère,
      You are trying to wipe out one of the founding nations.
      How can you live with yourself?!

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    3. So, like, is this the real campaign or is the Just for Laughs festival back for an encore?

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    4. “Reduce pression”, indeed! Someone should “put pression” on her to improve her English if she wants to represent Quebec. Charest was just in Burlington, VT, this week for the annual conference of New England Governors and Eastern Canadian Premiers. Can you imagine her trying to represent us at one of these things? (On the plus side, Vermont says they’ll be getting high speed rail in 2013 and it should soon after connect to Montreal.)

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    5. Le félidé : Le Vermont fait de gros efforts pour attirer les Québécois en adoptant un caractère plus francophone.Madame Marois n'aurait eu aucun problème d'autant plus que cet région sera de plus en plus dépendante de notre énergie propre.

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    6. Well then Mr. Nutt, don`t you think it would be wise for us to try and attract Vermonters by adopting a more anglophone character? Or perhaps a double standard is in order once again?

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    7. Doug Nutt you for got to mention that they have a contract stating that they get served first in a disaster when missing power ,like in the 98 ice storm..but just the same hydro Quebec did a fine job on getting back on it's feet.the efforts made to speak French by Vermont is due to courting for business and the same goes for Quebec speaking English .Vermont Hydro buys and resells that power for a profit

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    8. Doug Nutt rêve en couleurs s'il pense que Pauline Marois parlerais à la conférence de tous les chefs de sous-états de l'est Nord-Américain en français.

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  11. Editor,

    Let us not forget about that scum SOB Nicolas Gill who admitted that he cares nothing for Canada and voted for Kweebec independence.

    Besides that, I agree wholeheartedly with this article. A few years ago I had a chance encounter with a French Canadian lass who participated in the Beijing olympics for Canada. I asked her if she felt Canadian or if she was a clueless seppie. She told me that she was a seppie prior to competing for Canada at various events but, after having seen the world and how the world loves Canadians her tone and feeling changed. She now feels that Canada is her home and land. Mind you, she was a kweebecker.....who spoke flawless English.

    Just thought I'd share this little story.

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  12. "She told me that she was a seppie prior to competing for Canada at various events but, after having seen the world and how the world loves Canadians her tone and feeling changed."

    Ce phénomène est bien connu et identifié sous le nom de "Brainwashing".

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    1. Brainwashing == sortir du cadre et voir le monde et s'enrichir en raison de ce contact. Changer ses perceptions de sa propre réalité à la suite d'échanges (souvent initiés proprio motu) avec des influences extérieures.

      Vite, appelons les gens du Larousse!

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    2. Et je suppose tout celà est impossible à réaliser en français. :)

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    3. Impossible à réaliser uniquement en français, oui. Il faut apprendre des langues étrangères pour se faire comprendre en dehors du Québec, de la France et de quelques autres pays. Dont bien sûr, l'anglais.

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  13. J'entends aux nouvelles que c'est officiel : Les élections vont être déclanchées au Québec.

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    1. Lmao Nicolas Gill? The seppie who agreed to carry the Canadian Flag in the 2004 opening ceremonies in Athens? What a man of deep convictions!

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    2. "What a man of deep convictions!"

      Quand un pays te FORCE à porter son drapouille...Ça va mal.

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    3. He wasn‘t forced, he could have declined. What a loser, not even true to his seppie roots. Can‘t blame him, its a good looking flag.

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    4. "its a good looking flag"

      Effectivement mais les canadiens nous l'ont volé (feuille d'érable),nous en avons trouvé un autre beaucoup plus beau mais surtout plus représentatif.

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    5. Hahaha! Look at the tiny little separatist get upset.

      "Les canadiens nous l'ont volé" - heard that so many times, I'm actually surprised it wasn't the PQ's election slogan.

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    6. To be fair - cultural appropriation is a thing and it can be said that English Canada used it extensively on Quebec over the two centuries that they have been living with each other.

      The latest example of which is Wendy's "Poutition" to make Poutine the national dish of Canada, but let's also include the national anthem (a few frustrated anglo-supremacists prefer Maple Leaf Forever precisely because it is untainted by French cultural influence) and the maple leaf.

      As for the flag, it certainly was made in order to be able to represent the whole country, including the Francophones. Francophone unrest over the red enseign played a large part in Pearson pushing for a new flag. Contemporarily derided as "The Pearson Pennant", the original design would have had been blue and red to represent both Francophones and Anglophones. Unfortunately, it was ugly as sin so we have the much prettier current red and white flag. Even so it proved to be very divisive - the conservatives under the britanophile Diefenbaker fought it tooth and nail, and only the defection of Francophone conservative MPs broke party discipline and voted with the Liberals to change the flag. As such, it can be said to be a joint Anglo/Franco effort, and a testament to the good things that can happen in our country when we work together (frustrated reactionary types nonwithstanding).

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    7. The sad thing is, one would think that the adoption/creation of all these French-Canadians symbols would make Quebecers feel at home in Canada, but it seems like the opposite happened.

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    8. Personally I'm not upset by cultural appropriation; I think it's healthy.

      So what if I want to learn karate and am not Chinese? Why must I be black to like rap (I don't haha)? It's GOOD that a piece of Chinese culture spreads around the world; it's GOOD that black American culture expands beyond a purely black American audience. Martin Luther King believed in blending opposites to create a bigger whole (much, I guess, like a marriage -- or any relationship, really).

      Les canadiens nous l'ont volé.... quoi?

      Si les anglais n'aimais pas la feuille d'érable, ça serait "contre les francophones!"
      Si ils l'aiment, c'est "contre les francophones!".

      The sad thing is, one would think that the adoption/creation of all these French-Canadians symbols would make Quebecers feel at home in Canada, but it seems like the opposite happened.

      Oui, triste triste triste. La perspective séparatiste est celle d'un victime.
      On a besoin d'un psychologue; c'est facile devenir amer, facheux, dur. Je le sais bien.

      J'aime pas les drapeaux mais comme symbole, je dirai que c'est pas mal avoir une feuille, une partie de la Nature, qui vient de nos amis les arbres.

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    9. Oh, I didn't mean to imply that cultural appropriation is bad - but some people think it is, and are upset by it.

      I follow this blog by a native woman living in Montreal. (link) I recommend it - it's a fantastic read from a perspective wholly different from the one we usually hear from.

      She doesn't like cultural appropriation at all, she thinks it's a new form of colonialism, and that it robs the natives of their history because it becomes impossible to tell apart the true native things and the things we just think are "cool". But that's her views, not mine. I'll be the first to admit I don't know enough about it to judge her or to tell her what her beliefs ought to be.

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    10. Ah je vois, merci.

      Je m'intéresse quand possible en les affaires autochtones, merci Yannick, pour le lien.

      Moi, je ne suis pas du tout d'accord avec elle... mais c'est la vie, n'est-ce pas? Je voudrais que la culture autochtone fais une plus grande partie de notre fédération, ils ont beaucoup de bonnes idées. Elle suppose que les gens aiment les choses autochtones seulement parce qu'ils sont "cool"... mais c'est pas toujours le cas.

      Je m'intéresse a apprendre la langue Cree un jour... S.R. dirait que je voudrais la "voler". Tout le monde est différent :)

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    11. Je crois qu'il y a une différence si on apprend avec respect, ou si on s'approprie simplement des différents symboles. :)

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    12. Jacques Beau Vert,

      Karate is Japanese, not Chinese.

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    13. Karate is Japanese????? I've even been there and din't know.

      Thnx.

      En fait Yannick, ayant lu le lien que tu m'as donne, je voit ce qu'elle veut dire, apropos des symboles sacrés utilisés par les marchands, etc

      Je ne crois pas que le cas d'utiliser la feuille d'erable comme qualifiant pour la meme chose. C est un sujet interessant, bien sur - merci

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    14. Effectivement mais les canadiens nous l'ont volé (feuille d'érable),nous en avons trouvé un autre beaucoup plus beau mais surtout plus représentatif.

      Encore toi pis tes commentaires ignares...

      L'unifolié nous a été "volé" à partir du 15 février 1965.
      Le fleurdelisé, nous l'avons "trouvé" le 21 janvier 1948.

      Mais bon, le débat est aussi stérile qu'inutile. Entre symbole de squatteurs coloniaux et de monarchie française décapitée mon coeur vacille...

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    15. The sad thing is, one would think that the adoption/creation of all these French-Canadians symbols would make Quebecers feel at home in Canada, but it seems like the opposite happened.

      Proof that sometimes you need to use a combination of conciliation AND tough love on a capricious teenager. I wonder whether the Quiet Revolution would have proven more constructive if its movers and shakers hadn't veered off course and agitated for a completely separate Quebec identity and instead defined it as a necessary emancipation movement aimed at getting French-Canadians to assume their rightful place in Canadian society.

      We would have "recognized ourselves" in these new symbols which were expanding from sea to sea, but we would have understood back then what many post-separatists are understanding today -- namely that we can be both Quebecers and Canadians and that being one doesn't exclude the other at all. If anything, I think it shows that what began as an intellectual living room debate at an Outremont dinner party between Trudeau and Lévesque half a century ago is finally beginning to tangibly play itself out in full within Quebec society. My only (very deep) regret is that it has generally been too Montreal- and Quebec-centric and has ignored the needs of French-Canadians in the RoC while profiting handsomely from their reality -- both actual and caricatured -- all while caricaturing the impact of anglophone presence within Quebec.

      Neither's intellectual argument was completely right and neither completely wrong, although my personal belief is that while implementing Lévesque's might have been necessary in the short term, Trudeau's vital in the long term.

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  14. A CHANGE OF SUBJECT: I heard on the radio news a Quebec election may be called today. I guess JJC figures he can cash in on Marois's cash cow husband. As if she's not a cash cow herself (or just a plain cow)? Maybe with some luck, Dr. Dickhead of the Plateau may lose? Any chance of that?

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  15. @Sauga - the only reason I hope for Khadir to retain his seat is because it comes at the detriment of the PQ. The Plateau will never vote the Libs or even the CAQ into a seat, so might as well content ourselves with splintering.

    Personally, I have already chosen to vote for Francoise David here in Gouin, not because I actually believe in her party's sad-sack political anti-vision, but because I know it will hurt the PQ.

    Besides with only two MNAs, QS is destined to remain impotent.

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    1. Yeah and isn‘t Francois LeGunt running in the PQunt stronghold of L‘assomption? So those are 2 seats the racist will be down by.

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    2. Harvey, the whole Quebec government is impotent. Quebec is run by the Tony Accursos of the world--him, the anti-everything not «pur laine» unions the union boss who previously on this blog declared himself «le perrain» (the godfather) and the separatists like Mr. & Mrs. Pauline Marois who milk the cow for all it's worth.

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    3. Mr. Sauga, well it's now official. A Quebec election will be held September 4th.

      I still cannot believe anyone would consider re-electing Charest for a 4th term after all the anti-English crap he's legislated and spewed, even just weeks ago! Charest and his part as bad, if not worse, than the PQ.

      The PQ and CAQ are not viable alternatives by any stretch. To me it's poison vile A, B or C.

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  16. Pauline Marois: «il faut changer ce gouvernement usé et corrompu»

    http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-quebecoise/201208/01/01-4561300-pauline-marois-il-faut-changer-ce-gouvernement-use-et-corrompu.php

    Madame Marois part la campagne avec une droite sur la gueule à Charessst.

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  17. Know what Editor?

    Let's keep allowing the trolls access to the comments section. So far, everything coming from S.R., Doug Nutt and OQLF (all the same person, btw) have done nothing but reenforce the reason why our vision of an open society is superior to their xenophobic tunnel vision.

    A couple of visual reminders of where the sovereignist option is heading:

    http://bit.ly/MZ1cyv

    http://bit.ly/N1JaJT

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    1. Harvey

      It's only an option if we dumb Canadians legitimize it by not calling it what it is;
      TREASON!!!

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    2. Harvey, That`s exactly what I was thinking. The more I see their simpleminded comments, the more I see how miserable they must be. Pathetic!

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    3. Je suis d'accord avec Harvey - je soupçonne aussi que SJ et Doug et etc sont la même personne.
      Ses avis sont bizarres, ils viennent d'un autre siècle, bien passé.
      Il n'y a pas aucun "nous" sauf pour "nous tous, les êtres humaines". Le monde a changé enfin, il change encore, et il changera pour toujours, mais le 'tipping point' est presque ici: de plus en plus, les gens se rendent compte que nous sommes un, que nous fassions un peuple. Il y a beaucoup de séparatistes autour le monde, c'est sûr, pas seulement au Canada, mais la majorité des gens, je crois, a découvert que les "nations" ne sont vrai, et que tout le monde est égal et similaire.

      Aussi, S.R. et ses amies font des commentaires tellement stupide que je me demande quelque fois si c'est un vrai séparatiste ou quelqu'un qui voudrait faire le clown des séparatistes. En lisant S.R., c'est difficile a dire!

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  18. A little something I picked up on social media that perfectly sums up just how utter dogmatic the separatist mentality happens to be:

    "Pauline Marois est une truie dégoûtant. Mais, si elle [SIC] prend une truie pour créer une nation, c'est bon."

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    2. D'autre commentaires sur le bacon, les timbits, et les donuts... faut-il n'avoir rien à dire!

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    3. Les truies dégoûtantes sont beaucoup mieux.

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    4. C'est quand même un(e) souverainiste qui l'a traitée de truie dégoutante, en disant qu'il(elle) se pincerait le né en votant PQ.

      Je suis quand même content de ne pas être Québecois, tous les candidats de cette élection sont poches. Khadir est un radical déchaîné, Charest et Marois sont croches comme la maison de Numérobis, Legault n'est pas convainquant et Aussant à le charisme d'une thermopompe.

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    5. "Aussant à le charisme d'une thermopompe."

      Et le prix du charisme de la fosse septique va à...

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  19. I do not support the PQ but I think I will support the discours that application to English CEGEP be made requiring the Certificate of Eligibility. Why? For my family's interest.

    English CEGEPs as of today is overflown with students, English or French-speaking. This happens because there is language restriction in high school and none in college. Therefore, students from French high schools are crowding the English colleges. By limiting the enrollment of those from the French system, the students from the English system will have better access to CEGEPs, better quality of education and better learning experience.

    Since my son is currently in school in English, it is for his benefit that I support the restriction for CEGEP enrollment. More than that, I even support the restriction all the way for Bishop's, Concordia and McGill.

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    1. We should just build more english cegeps! After the “strike“ debacle the demand will only grow.

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    2. Fat chance Premier JJC (if re-elected) will supply more English CEGEPs notwithstanding the English ones are packed and the French ones are half-empty and half of their enrollees haven't finished their High School Leaving requirements.

      Let's see if the freeloading cow milker gets elected and does something about it.

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    3. Rien de moins certain que la réélection de Charessst dans son propre compté (Sherbrooke)

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    4. Fat chance Premier JJC (if re-elected) will supply more English CEGEPs notwithstanding the English ones are packed and the French ones are half-empty and half of their enrollees haven't finished their High School Leaving requirements.
      Well whatever... it's not that the clientele isn't there; it's just that the people in charge don't have what it takes to respond to the demand the way they ought to.

      The day will come in this province when francophones start demanding access not just to top jobs as they did decades ago, but also to the English-language gateway that their own leaders have denied them, in one way or another, for the better part of the last two and a half centuries. On that day, the retarded (and retarding) provisions of bill 101 will finally start coming down.

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  20. Editor, your glamorization of athletes in this piece ("winners", "too busy being successful") is a tad cheesy.

    But this line is cheese of all cheeses: "It was the scarlet uniform, emblazoned with the word CANADA across the chest that bound the athletes together, and bound them to us, no matter where we live and where they come from in this country."

    Am I supposed to shed a tear?

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    1. Your emotional reaction is not for me to decide, nor is mine for you to choose.

      If you are a unaffected or bored by the Canadian team marching into the stadium, so be it, I'm certainly not going to put you down by calling you cold and unpatriotic.

      That being said I'd bet more readers agree with my assessment that it is a proud moment rather than yours, that it is a bore.
      And YES, many Canadians well up in pride and some shed a tear when we win a medal and many more when our national anthem is played.

      Without this emotional attachment by fans all over the world, what would the Olympics be?

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    2. For my part I cherish every moment when I see these young boys and girls emblazoned with the word CANADA across the chest that bound the athletes together, and bound them to us, no matter where we live and where they come from in this country, because I know it'll not be the case forever. No doubt the country of Quebec is coming.

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    3. adski,

      While I am a bit in agreement with you regarding our Editor jingoistic writing, let me ask you this. Do you feel the same lack of enthusiasm when it is "Polska" on their chest?

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    4. You don't have to cry but please allow those of us who are emotionally affected by patriotism do so without complaint. I am not even from Canada yet I feel proud of each country represented because their athletes have worked so hard to get to the Olympics that it is a great victory to be there and represent their nations.

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    5. @Allistair the Westmounter

      J'aime bien l'image qui accompagne ton pseudo Allistair :D

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    6. Sadly, I feel the Olympics lost it lustre a long time ago with all the cheating that has been going on forever. The Soviets always cheated calling their athletes amatures (esp. their hockey players) when they trained all year round and played as professionals, but were paid "allowances" instead of salaries. Semantics.

      The former East Germans won disproportionate numbers of medals as they started doping before anyone else could even fathom such a thing.

      As the old cliché goes, one bad apples spoiles the bushel, and now this woman Chinese swimmer who's beating everybody else like Secretariat at the Belmont Stakes in 1973 (by 31 lengths and 4 seconds between his crossing the wire and the next horse crossing). Her times are beating the guys! Has some new doping method been discovered? Was this woman ever a man? Even if she's just a superhuman performer, she's under great suspicion and will be for the next 8 years. What fun is that? Oh, and how figure skating scores are fixed and now the badminton players from Indonesia and China played poorly for better draws later. Is that fair and square play?

      Finally, the cost of putting on the games. While Britain is now bragging they're within budget ($14.5 billion!!!?), bet there are costs not yet recognized. The $12 billion game in Athens helped contribute towards Greece's crippled economy, so it would be no surprise if it ends up hurting London. Already merchants in the line of foot traffic are complaining the passers-by are being ushered from their venues into the Underground and bypassing the merchants. It has had the opposite effect from what was "sold" to the city, and this is nothing new; furthermore, the IOC members get treated even better than Marois and hubby being wined and dined and bribed in the lap of luxury not contributing one cent towards the costs.

      How much and for how long will Vancouver be paying for their games. Oh, sure, on TV while it's happening, it all seems so great, but it took Montreal a full 30 years to pay back for the first billion dollar games. Small wonder Greece is in a dark, smelly hole over their games and other mismanagement.

      For all the security costs alone that are necessary, is it really worth it to have these events anymore? I really don't think so, unless the taxpayers of the cities hosting the games are willing to pay through the nose for it. Toronto is hosting the Pan Am games in 2015. I'm sure that will cost enough and create enough havoc in the downtown core!

      Toronto's losing the bid to Bejing for the 2008 games was probably the best thing that could have happened. As far as the Chinese government is concerned, their people can eat cake with their human rights record. Their opening ceremonies cost about $80 million. Retarded!

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  21. D'hier:
    Tu as une très belle plume, JBG. N'hésite pas à me contacter si tu as besoin d'aide avec ton anglais - it'll be my pleasure to help you.
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    Tu vois, JBG, tu es tellement bon en Français que Harvey Dent a cru que tu avais des problèmes en anglais. :)


    Merci Harvey, c'est très très gentil a toi
    Yannick, j'étais bien surpris, et aussi, bien flatté :-)


    J'ai plus ou moins raté les jeux Olympiques, donc merci au Rédacteur de nous avoir appris de tout ce que s'est passé; je suis bien heureux d'entendre que l'équipe canadienne est si bilingue et respectueux.

    J'étais bien déçu pour les jeux vancouveraise en anglais seulement… tant pis, parce que c'est CHOUETTE!!!! avoir plus d'une seule langue, et je suis heureux a démontrer aux visiteurs comment l'anglais et le français sont présent et contribuant et vivant.

    Mme Marois, mon ancien colocataire l'aimais bien, mais pas moi, pour les mêmes raisons que vous nous donnez ici. J'ignorais ce scandale a propos de son mari; triste. D'ailleurs, c'était Marx, non?, qui a reconnu que l'idée des "nations" et "pays" étaient fait pour diviser les gens, ainsi que ceux qui tiennent le pouvoir peuvent diriger les travailleurs. Je comprend comment un parti droitiste comme Aube d'Orée en la Grecque peut croire en "le retour des nations", mais comment est-ce qu'un parti se vantant de la gauche (comme le PQ) peut en croire?


    Pour l'assimilation, je comprend la vue de Yannick, qu'ils qui ont peur de n'être plus, peur de voir leurs enfants vivre comme "les autres" et pas comme "leurs ancêtres", etc n'ont pas exactement tort. Apres tout, l'Histoire est rempli des histoires de l'assimilation forcé - même au Canada (les autochtones premièrement, aussi les francophones (surtout a l'Ouest, comme Yannick a dit déjà)).

    Je crois que l'idée d'assimilation est plus ou moins presque terminé; personne actuel ne voudraient que les autochtones seraient forcés a apprendre une langue en oubliant une autre, a vivre dans une culture en oubliant une autre, etc. En fait, bien des gens voudraient assister aux cérémonies autochtones et acheter les bibelots autochtone, etc. Une clair majorité des gens (au Canada) voudraient bien que le français demeure toujours une partie du Canada, de l'Amérique. Etc.

    Cela étant dit (écrit)… les gens ont peur du passé, et il faudra du temps pour qu'ils puissent oublier le passé. C'est facile a croire que la majorité est contre l'on.

    En fait, c'est incroyable que les séparatistes disent a tout le monde que le Canada soit opprimant et aime seulement l'anglais --- tandis que les communautés en mandarin, hindi, punjabi, etc sont nés, qu'ils s'accroissent et s'augmentent. Comme Apparatchik peut constater un avenir sans français, je peut constater un avenir ou le Punjabi est devenue langue officielle (un jour) tandis que le français a refusé de participé au Canada au point qu'il ne compte plus. (J'espere que non)

    On peut comprendre leur peur, même si on ne le partage pas. (D'ailleurs, on sait sûrement que Yannick ne vien pas du Québec et qu'il est fédéraliste qui voudrait seulement que le français survivre. Moi aussi. Je sais bien qu'il a raison, que les francophones a l'Ouest risque de disparaître. Ca serait bien triste, et les anglo-canadiens ont le pouvoir de changer ça (et faire dommage aux mythes des séparatistes, aussi).)

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    1. Yannick, sur le sujet du droit d'autodétermination pour les nations (d'hier, sur l'ancien poste avant que ce-ci)… je ne cherche a changer ton avis, seulement partager un peu de moi.
      Je ne crois pas en ce droit (mais je comprends bien que toi, tu en crois, et c'est bien).

      C'était Woodrow Wilson qui a créé cette idée, d'autodétermination. Personne dans son entourage, dans son cercle, lui soutenais. Ils lui ont demandé plusieurs fois, "Ca veut dire quoi, exactement?", mais il n'avait aucun réponse. Il signifie rien, ce phrase.

      Moi, je n'ai pas de la souveraineté parce que je suis controlé (un peu) par des lois: je ne peux tuer, conduire sur l'autre coté de la rue, boire du vin rouge aux parcs, me promener nu au centre-ville, etc. C'est ainsi. Je suis "souverain" assez, mais j'appartiens a un groupe qui me regle un peu.

      C'est pas l'avis de tout le monde, mais je soutiendrai un peu moins de souveraineté pour les "pays". Ce qui se passe au Syrie, par exemple. Aucun pays ne devrait pas le droit de faire n'importe quoi -- exactement comme moi, je n'ai pas le droit de faire n'importe quoi. Au Canada, aux Etats-Unis, je suppose au U-E aussi, qu'il y a quelques lois fédéral qui touche sur tout le monde, et autres lois concernant les provinces seulement (et autres petites lois pour les villes aussi).

      Tandis que je ne suis pas d'accord avec tous ces lois, je suis d'accord qu'il y a un système partagé dans lequel on peut participer, faire des lois, dire ce qu'on voudrais dire, etc. Je peux facilement constater un avenir avec un planète reglé, dirigé par quelques simples lois a propos des droits pour les humains, en égard a la pollution, l'exploration de l'espace (et les mers). (Ca a commencé deja, je dirais)

      C'est la ou nous devons concentrer; cet avenir va se passer. Nous devons travailler, dialoguer, pour que l'avenir est moins comme Mille-Neuf-Cent-Quatre-Vingt-Quatre et plutôt comme une fédération égal pour tous, etc, que les lois ne sont pas trop, qu'il soit sages, etc. La politique mondial m'intéresse plus que la politique canadienne (don't get me wrong, tous les politiques m'intéressent un peu).

      Est-ce qu'un Canada souvérain ait le droit a assimiler les francophones, les autochtones?
      Est-ce qu'un Amérique souvérain ait le droit a faire la guerre contre n'importe qui?
      Que la Chine ait le droit a assimiler l'Afrique dans l'avenir? (Situation hypotéthique)
      Etc.
      Est-ce qu'un pays souverain ait le droit a polluer les mers, les terres, reclamer la Lune comme leur proprieté?

      (Mais en revanche je comprends qu'il y a une autre face au coin; c'est juste mon avis en général)

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    2. What would surprise most separatists and insecure anglo-haters is that most anglos would be disappointed if the French language were to disappear as well. We don`t hate French and we certainly don`t want it to disappear, we actually like it and are proud to speak more than one language. The PROBLEM the way some people have a hate-on for anything different from their pure-laine selves, how these perpetual insecure victims want to suppress any scary English word seen in public, how the English schools and English community threaten their way of life (which is virtually the same as anyone else`s in North America), etc. etc. etc. etc., friggin' etc.....

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    3. Laurie : I believe you.

      It's hard to sometimes, but I believe it. The problem is that it's often not what is depicted in the media or in the comment sections of news articles. I understand that the most angry, extremist people comment there, but it can give one the impression that French is just a huge chore to the ROCers and that we're unwanted.

      But I guess the most extremist francos set the shrill tone of persectution/paranoia too.

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    4. JB - Je comprends ta vue cosmopolite du monde et j'ai beaucoup de respect pour toi. Je comprends qu'il y a des limites sur tous les comportements - dans un monde idéal, les Nations-Unies auraient le pouvoir d'intervenir quand un pays signataire enfreignerait ces limites. Moi j'aimerais un monde comme l'Union Européenne, mais pour le monde entier, et que les droits de tout le monde soient protégés.

      Tout ce que je peux dire, c'est que je crois que le pouvoir de décision revient au peuple lui-même et non pas à des organisations externes. Par exemple, on admet pas qu'un pays peut envahir un autre et imposer sa volonté, dumoins pas sans une excellente raison comme dans la guerre du Golfe ou la guerre de Corée. De la même façon, si un groupe de personne exprime la volonté d'être indépendant, personne n'a le droit de s'y opposer. Bien sûr, les québecois n'ont jamais exprimé cette volonté de façon majoritaire. Mais s'ils le faisaient, il faudrait les accomoder de façon loyale et juste.

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    5. Great Yannick, I`m glad you believe me because we certainly don`t want our city and province to become just like all the others. We appreciate the our language uniqueness in Quebec. I agree with you as well that it is usually the extremists we see and hear about.

      If you have the impression that the ROCers treat the French as a chore are unwanted, might that be the result of what they see happening in Quebec? Perhaps the ROCers see French separatists in Quebec mistreating their minority (who are basically the same as the ROCers), see them trying to break up the country, holding the rest of Canada hostage, etc, and as a result have a hard time welcoming them with open arms. I understand this would be misguided, I`m just throwing it out there as a possibility.

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    6. Oh I'm fully aware of that. Alot of the time people who are bitter will use the fact that Quebec is acting terrible with regards to minority services to justify why we should scrap the OLA and become a unilingually English country. Bonus points go to those who mention the conquest, argue there is no demand, or pretend that the Canadian confederation was founded by the British alone.

      I also think that there are some who don't really need any excuse to be intolerant. I think some just have it as a convenient reason for why they aren't doing better in life (outside a very select spots, bilingual jobs are a tiny minority of all Canadian jobs) not unlike how men who can't find women who'll date them inevitably end up blaming anyone but themselves.

      Not that the same behaviour isn't present in Quebec, of course. Knowing it is, it's still pretty disturbing.

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  22. Just ignore the Westmounter, just another separatist BS collecting troll.

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  23. Message à tous mes amis allophones, anglophones ou juste fédéralistes ( et j'en ai). ;)
    Les prochaines élections ne porteront pas sur l'indépendance du Québec mais sur le choix d'un gouvernement. Le gouvernement Charest se sert de l'indépendance du Québec comme d'un épouvantail pour s'assurer vos votes et il les prend pour acquis (malheureusement par expérience). Il n'y aura pas d'indépendance sans référendum. Si un gouvernement indépendantiste est élu vous pourrez voter contre l'indépendance plus tard. Par-contre, si le gouvernement Charest est élue vous ne pourrez voter contre aucune de leurs positions plus tard (rien de rien, oh que non). Eux, les deux mains sur le volant (le violant parfois), nous, les deux mains attachées dans le dos (on a pu voir ce que ça donne... on en a vu bien assez). Amis allophones, anglophones ou juste fédéralistes. Ils vous prennent pour acquis... faites leur donc une grosse surprise en septembre !

    Luc De Larochellière

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    1. Remarque qu'avec le projet de loi 593 de pierre Curzi, tes amis Allophones, Anglophones et fédéralistes risque de ne pas voter PQ.

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    2. Luc De Larochellière, your pitch for the PQ did not convince me.

      Not voting for the PLQ is one thing. Voting for the PQ is another. It's a step I can't imagine ever taking, no matter how much the PLQ messes up.

      When you say: at least with the PQ you can vote on something (independence, or "independence" rather after the RoC agrees to assure your pensions, I assume), with the PLQ nothing will be put forth in a referendum form. It's like saying: at least my party will ask you if we should euthanize old people, Yes/No, the other party won't ask you anything. So just the fact that the PQ wants a popular referendum (or "popular" rather, I assume ethnic and anglo districts will have a lot of votes discounted) doesn't mean anything. What's impost is on what that referendum would be.

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  24. Le gouvernement Charest se sert de l'indépendance du Québec comme d'un épouvantail pour s'assurer vos votes et il les prend pour acquis (malheureusement par expérience).
    Le Parti Québécois se sert de l'indépendance du Québec non seulement comme raison d'être mais aussi pour jouer à la vierge offensée afin d'extorquer des pouvoirs du palier fédéral pour doter le palier provincial de en plus de puissance et de créer une monarchie de Québécois pure laine. Luc, ce sont nos propres élites qui colportent leur vision nationaliste étroite depuis 4 décennies qui nous tiennent dans un état d'emprisonnement virtuel. Il faut casser ça une fois pour toutes. Ce n'est qu'un autre mandat pour un parti farouchement fédéraliste qui peut montrer aux Québécois que notre place est bel et bien au sein d'un Canada uni. Luc, essaie d'imaginer à quoi ressembleraient les relations Québec-Ottawa et même franco-anglo si le PQ était au pouvoir depuis 2003. Luc, fais-donc une grosse surprise à Pauline en septembre: envoie-la promener -- tout comme son parti rétrograde -- une fois pour toutes!

    Il n'y aura pas d'indépendance sans référendum.
    Les fédéralistes n'en veulent pas de l'indépendance. Nous n'en voulons incidemment non plus d'un référendum. Charest promet de faire ni l'un ni l'autre.

    Si un gouvernement indépendantiste est élu vous pourrez voter contre l'indépendance plus tard. Par-contre, si le gouvernement Charest est élue vous ne pourrez voter contre aucune de leurs positions plus tard (rien de rien, oh que non).
    Un autre argument aussi gnochon que fallacieux. Si on n'aime pas le gouvernement élu, on peut s'en élire un autre la prochaine fois. Un vote pour l'indépendance, ça se défait-tu?

    Amis allophones, anglophones ou juste fédéralistes. Ils vous prennent pour acquis... faites leur donc une grosse surprise en septembre !
    Franchement, vous ne faites vraiment pas mieux. Vous, péquistes, souverainistes, ou juste indépendantistes, promettez-vous de faire d'un Québec indépendant un pays encore plus bilingue que le Canada? Promettez-vous de mettre à profit notre million de non-francophones pour le bénéfice du Québec tout entier? Promettez vous d'abroger la loi 101 et de réinstaurer le libre choix partout (éducation, commerce, toponymie)? Nous avons vu vos manigances depuis les 40 dernières années et franchement si c'est ça votre avant-goût d'un Québec indépendant, nous n'en voulons simplement pas.

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  26. Question pour The Cat :

    Au sujet d'Alexandre Despatie, Bilodeau et autres athlètes québecois 'too busy being successful'. Vous semblez les tenir très hauts en estime. Si, une fois leur carrière d'athlète amateurs terminée vous appreniez que certains d'entre eux sont souverainistes convaincus (techniquement, il y a environ une chance sur deux), votre opinion à leur sujet changerait-elle ? Deviendraient-ils du jour au lendemain des racistes ?

    Pour Apparatchik (et à tous) :

    Si le Québec était un pays indépendant depuis 1995, avec un siège aux Nations-Unis, membre de l'ALÉNA, un état officiellement français, mais respectueux de sa minorité anglophone... aujourd'hui, près de 20 ans après l'accession à la souveraineté, pourriez-vous me dire, si vous étiez premier(e) ministre de ce pays, quels pouvoirs voudriez-vous céder à Ottawa ? Et pour quelle raison ?

    Personnellement, je crois au pays du Québec, mais à moins d'un miracle (dont je ne voudrais pas) il ne naîtra pas sans la participation de sa minorité anglophone. Je rêve peut-être en couleurs, mais je crois qu'une fois la turbulence des 2 premières années passée, une fois la peur de l'inconnu dissipée, le Québec pourrait attirer des canadiens-anglais désireux de vivre dans un pays francophone où ils savent que leurs droits seront respectés. Aujourd'hui, le doute et la peur règnent. J'entends plusieurs anglophones de Montréal dire qu'ils ne veulent rien savoir de vivre ailleurs au Canada. Québec indépendant ou non. Pour eux, le fait français est importante (remarquez que ceux à qui je pense ne disent pas un mot français!). Ils ne pourraient vivre sans leur 'dépanneurrrr'.

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    1. Non, pas du tout, mais je serais déçu par leur hypocrisie, tout comme avec Nicolas Gill, le judoka qui a porté l’unifolié aux Jeux Olympiques à Barcelone tout en votant contre le Canada au référendum de 1995. Je ne crois pas que la chance que Despatie, etc…, soient souverainistes est une fois sur deux mais malgré cela, ce qu’il me plaît est qu’ils sont fièrement bilingues et ne croient pas perdre leur culture par le simple fait de bien parler l’anglais.

      Aussi, je suis très content que tu écrives un commentaire aussi intelligent. Bravo ! On est malheureusement assujetti aux commentaires particulièrement nuls de S.R et ses autres sockpuppets.

      Quant à tes autres commentaires, l’ultime question est quel serait le respect accordé par les souverainistes envers la minorité anglophone dans un Québec indépendant. Il me semble qu’il est évident que la réponse serait : « Très peu… ou encore moins qu’il y ait actuellement. »

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    2. I've had enough of this site. It has become French exclusively. My french communication is sufficient but reading French is too slow for me. My language is English and I expect to see it on an English site. These seps are playing the same game as the government agencies. Answer in French only to make you listen to French and learn it., You guys that answer in French are walking right into their trap. You're giving them just what they want. They're making you use French on an English site and they are laughing behind your back. edbrown@bell.net

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    3. Wow Ed, thanks for your respect towards my post! The intentions you attribute me are misleaded. It was my first intervention on this site, ever. I wrote it in french because french is my language and I didn't think I had to apologize for it. I also saw that people here were exchanging back and forth in french and english. And the main reason I wrote it in french is simply that my french is better than my english when it comes to expressing 'nuances'.

      Funny to see that when you see about a third of the posts in french, you conclude that this site has become french 'exclusively'. It says a lot about your tolerance. Not to mention the terms you use for referring to me (these seps, pretending I'm setting traps, and pretending I would be laughing behind someone's back ???). I am perplexed.

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    4. Je ne sais plus si je devrais écrire en anglais ou en français, je ne me sens pas tellement bienvenu ici. Enfin, voici quelques réflexions sur votre réponse : 1- 1/2 doivent des athlètes québécois doivent être souverainistes en ce sens que près de 60% de francophones le sont, donc les chances sont plutôt bonnes pour 1/2. 2- fièrement bilingues: je suis souverainiste et comme Bernard Landry l'a déjà dit, je 'botterais le cul' de mes enfants s'ils refusaient d'apprendre l'anglais. Jamais l'apprentissage d'une langue ne fera perdre sa culture à quelqu'un. Seulement l'enrichir et en être encore plus fier. Mieux encore, cela permet de la promouvoir à l'extérieur. 3- Merci pour le compliment sur la qualité de mon commentaire. Mon choix de langue semble cependant en offusquer d'autres. Je ne généraliserai cependant pas en disant que "les anglais du West-Island" sont des racistes, mais c'est ce genre de bassesse intellectuelle, des deux côtés de nos 'solitudes', dont il est facile de se servir en tombant dans les généralisations les plus simplistes.

      Et en terminant, je me permets de te relancer sur ma question. Sérieusement, si tu étais PM du pays du Québec 20 ans après un référendum gagnant, quels pouvoirs voudrais-tu renvoyer à Ottawa ? Moi personnellement, aucun. Je ne voudrais que des partenariats pour tout ce qui fait du sens de faire en commun et évidemment pour tout ce qui serait mutuellement souhaitable et acceptable (ex.: Agence Atomique, une ou deux ? Les postes, une ou deux ? La monnaie dans un contexte de libre-échange (et ou le $CAN et $US sont déjà à parité) y aurait-il lieu d'avoir la nôtre ? Je ne crois pas, etc.).

      Je ne crois pas aux scénarios catastrophes, au contraire je crois que nous serions obligés de nous prendre encore plus en mains. Et encore une fois j'insiste, je crois que nous serions plus attrayants une fois qu'elle serait faite, qu'avec la 'perspective' de la faire. Et rien de mieux que de nouveaux arrivants (canadiens ou étrangers) qui viennent s'installer ici parce qu'ils apprécient ce qu'ils voient de l'extérieur non ? L'ALÉNA serait composé de 2 pays anglophones, un espagnol et un francophone. Il me semble que ce serait très riche culturellement et que notre 'apport' à l'Amérique du Nord et au monde serait encore plus grand qu'aujourd'hui.

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    5. Marco, laisses-moi t'acceuillir bien chaleureusement sur ce blogue. Soit assuré que je suis ce blogue depuis presqu'un an, et qu'à ce jour Ed Brown est la première personne qui a exprimé de l'insatisfaction envers les commentaires écris en français.

      Tu trouveras que sur ce blogue les couteaux volent souvent bas, mais que la plupart des commentateurs réguliers sont respectueux même s'ils ne sont pas d'accords les uns envers les autres. C'est la première fois que je vois Ed Brown commenter, pour être honnête.

      @Ed - There is a google translate tool at the top of the page if you don't feel like reading French, but of course the tool is not perfect and often it will read like broken english. A suggestion. :)

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    6. @Marc/o: Les deux langues sont tout à fait bienvenues, quoique ceci est un blogue par et pour les anglophones du Québec. Donc…

      Your question is absurd. If we happened to be 20 years after a so-called “winning” referendum, do you actually think we would be discussing returning any powers to Ottawa? Are you out of control?? NAFTA already brings English, Spanish and French culture forward… what in the world makes you think it would be increased with an independent Quebec that represents 2% of North America’s population? To top it off, you yourself state you would “kick butt" if your children refused to learn English, yet you state the learning of which would never make one lose one’s culture! On top of that, you state that the independence of Quebec would require an ever closer cooperation than that which we have now… do you even understand the meaning of “irony”???

      @Ed Brown : I can certainly understand your frustration and how it may be unnerving that a blog intended for anglo-Quebecers may be bilingual. Nevertheless, this lack of communication between both cultures is the primary the reason why we have to deal with this whole issue of separatism these days. I also understand that you are 76 years old and surely remember the good old days when English was treated with more respect than it is today. I for one would be interested in hearing your perspective about how things have changed. That being said, I hope you don’t really think that anybody who speaks French is a seppie.

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    7. Si le Québec était un pays indépendant depuis 1995, avec un siège aux Nations-Unis, membre de l'ALÉNA, un état officiellement français, mais respectueux de sa minorité anglophone... aujourd'hui, près de 20 ans après l'accession à la souveraineté, pourriez-vous me dire, si vous étiez premier(e) ministre de ce pays, quels pouvoirs voudriez-vous céder à Ottawa ? Et pour quelle raison ?

      Je ne crois pas comprendre la question. Étant moi-même fédéraliste, j'imagine mal comment ou pourquoi un Québec indépendant céderait des pouvoirs à Ottawa. À moins que tu sois en train de parler de coopération entre états, style NORAD ou OTAN...

      You guys that answer in French are walking right into their trap. You're giving them just what they want. They're making you use French on an English site and they are laughing behind your back.
      So If I'm reading you right, every time I speak French, the separatists win? What about those of us who are wholly or partly French-Canadian, or just plain bilingual? Are we a fifth column designed to bring down this blog? I agree with Yannick about Google Translate potentially helping you around some of the language barrier, but your stubborn demand for English-only on a blog whose own Editor has come out in favor of bilingual posting smacks of the same intolerance as those separatists who will only be happy once everything in Quebec happens only in French. I say to you what I say to them: lie down before you hurt yourself... and the rest of us too.

      [...] c'est ce genre de bassesse intellectuelle, des deux côtés de nos 'solitudes', dont il est facile de se servir en tombant dans les généralisations les plus simplistes.
      Tellement vrai.

      quels pouvoirs voudrais-tu renvoyer à Ottawa ? Moi personnellement, aucun. Je ne voudrais que des partenariats pour tout ce qui fait du sens de faire en commun et évidemment pour tout ce qui serait mutuellement souhaitable et acceptable
      J'imagine que ma réponse serait sensiblement la même, même s'il faut être deux pour valser. Reste à voir si le Canada-sans-Québec va vouloir danser avec nous. Si j'étais PM du Canada, mon approche en serait une guidée davantage par le pragmatisme que par un sentiment de rapprochement. Je crois que le Canada tolère beaucoup nos crises d'ado depuis les dernières décennies et qu'advenant un OUI il ne devrait pas se fendre en quatre pour nous aider ou encore pour nous accommoder. Un PM d'un hypothétique Québec-pays devra lui aussi être guidé par le pragmatisme et d'une souplesse et ouverture d'esprit, et je crois que le fardeau lui sera encore plus onéreux que pour son homologue canadien car nous serons toujours entourés des mêmes anglophones dont se sont servis les nationalistes et séparatistes pour nourrir nos complexes depuis des générations... Comme quoi plus ça change...

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    8. ex.: Agence Atomique, une ou deux ? Les postes, une ou deux ? La monnaie dans un contexte de libre-échange (et ou le $CAN et $US sont déjà à parité) y aurait-il lieu d'avoir la nôtre ? Je ne crois pas, etc.).
      Encore une fois, il faudrait voir quels genres d'accords bilatéraux peuvent être négociés à ces égards. Dans le fond, c'est le besoin et le pragmatisme qui dicteront ce qu'il en sera.

      Personnellement, je ne crois pas à l'idée de l'indépendance du Québec car je m'en fous de plus en plus éperdument de l'assimilation d'une ou l'autre solitude par voie organique. Même si je ne crois pas au nationalisme où qu'on soit dans le monde, c'est l'aspect exprès et délibéré de notre législation actuelle -- et de son cautionnement qui perdure aveuglément chez trop de gens à mon avis -- laquelle interdit le libre choix lorsqu'il est question de langue qui nourrit mon indifférence grandissante à l'endroit de notre possible extinction éventuelle en tant que peuple. L'argument central des indépendantistes (soit l'argument linguistique et "culturel" -- j'utilise des guillemets car je crois qu'on est davantage Nord Américains que Français culturellement) est donc pour moi autant un non-argument qu'un non-sens.

      Et j'en veux à nos dirigeants. Le rempart que semblent avoir érigé nos élites nationalistes autour du Québec (non seulement linguistique mais à plusieurs niveaux) me dérange car il n'a finalement servi qu'à nous réprimer (et, ce qui est le plus important: à assurer leur pérennité comme contrôleurs de notre destin). Et nous, moutons, bêlons toujours à forte majorité que cette répression et captivité sert à notre bien-être commun alors que ce sont nos propres élites qui en tirent le fruit le plus convoité: le pouvoir.


      Et encore une fois j'insiste, je crois que nous serions plus attrayants une fois qu'elle serait faite, qu'avec la 'perspective' de la faire.
      Peut-être. Je crois moi aussi qu'il est mieux d'avoir la certitude que de l'incertitude. Mais comme je suis fédéraliste, j'appuie ta conclusion tout en rejetant ta prémisse. Je crois que nous serions plus attrayants si nous rangions dans le placard du sous-sol (là où on met nos vêtements un an ou deux avant de les donner à l'Armée du Salut) une fois pour toute notre obsession indépendantiste et prenions en main notre destin collectif en tant que Canadiens dont la majorité est aujourd'hui d'expression française plutôt qu'un groupe sociologique qui mise sur une division assez régionale et subjective pour prétendre à une finalité fourre-tout.

      Et rien de mieux que de nouveaux arrivants (canadiens ou étrangers) qui viennent s'installer ici parce qu'ils apprécient ce qu'ils voient de l'extérieur non ? L'ALÉNA serait composé de 2 pays anglophones, un espagnol et un francophone. Il me semble que ce serait très riche culturellement et que notre 'apport' à l'Amérique du Nord et au monde serait encore plus grand qu'aujourd'hui.
      Apprécient? Peut-être pour certains, mais pas pour tous. Je pense que le plus souvent, bon nombre d'émigrants cherchent un avenir meilleur pour eux-mêmes et pour leurs enfants et la langue qu'ils devront apprendre une fois rendus à destination leur n'est qu'un détail. La preuve, c'est que bon nombre d'immigrants chez nous sont le plus souvent trilingues et n'ont pas l'appréhension obsessive qui guette les Québécois de souche canadienne française ou canadienne anglaise. Et je pense que ce seront eux qui nous aideront à clore l'ère séparatiste de notre histoire en nous montrant comment bien synthétiser nos réalités et besoins linguistiques parallèles. Je soupçonne que l'apport de ces nouveaux arrivants sera encore plus tangible et de plus grande valeur au Québec que l'idéal hypothétique exprimé dans ta dernière phrase ci-dessus.

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  27. Marcio, perhaps I should have said almost exclusively but you make my point for me. You post in French because it's easier. Why would you post a point you are trying to make to English people in French. When I write a letter to a Government office or Hydro for example I write it in my best French because I know that French people will have to read it. It is a simple courtesy. I don't understand why you act as though I am writing only to you. Get over yourself man.

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  28. Donc Apparatchik et The Cat, vous êtes tous les deux d'accord que n'importe quel PM du Québec devenu pays indépendant ne voudrait retourner des pouvoirs à Ottawa. Qu'ils soient aujourd'hui fédéralistes ou souverainistes, aucun ne retournerait des pouvoirs à Ottawa. Et c'est tout à fait normal, puisqu'aucun pays au monde ne voudrait céder sa souveraineté ou la déléguer à un voisin. Et pour votre information, je reçois la même réponse que la vôtre de la part de tous les fédéralistes à qui je parle. Aucun ne peut nommer un seul pouvoir qu'ils voudraient renvoyer à Ottawa. Moins de distance nous sépare que nous voulons bien le croire.

    Le Québec, comme nation et comme territoire, s'est joint à 3 autres provinces pour former une confédération en 1867. Il est aussi bon de rappeler qu'il a joint sur un vote de députés, que la population n'a jamais été consultée à ce sujet en 1867. C'est un gouvernement majoritaire de l'Assemblée nationale qui a signé l'entente de 1867... Peu de québécois le savent. À partir de là, le Canada a connu plusieurs premiers ministres, dont certains très centralisateurs qui ont retiré des pouvoirs au Québec, principalement à partir du moment où Ottawa s'est octroyé le pouvoir fédéral de percevoir des impôts et de dépenser (qui n'existait pas au début). Et aujourd'hui, 130 ans plus tard, il faut demander la permission au peuple pour retrouver la souveraineté que nous avons perdu. Effectivement, c'est très ironique.

    @The Cat: NAFTA already brings English, Spanish and French culture forward…

    S.v.p. expliquez-moi comment, je ne le vois pas. Il s'agit simplement d'un accord économique. L'objectif de l'ALÉNA n'est pas de faire rayonner l'anglais, le français et l'espagnol.

    "what in the world makes you think it would be increased with an independent Quebec that represents 2% of North America’s population?"

    De la même manière que les petits pays européens conservent leur souveraineté politique et culturelle à l'intérieur d'une union économique élargie.

    To top it off, you yourself state you would “kick butt" if your children refused to learn English, yet you state the learning of which would never make one lose one’s culture!

    Expliquez-moi ce qui ne va pas dans ma phrase. Effectivement, je leur botterais le derrière s'ils refusaient d'apprendre l'anglais, et je ne vois pas comment l'apprentissage d'une langue peut amener quelqu'un à perdre sa culture. Je partage en ce sens votre idée : que l'on peut apprendre une ou plusieurs langues secondes sans perdre notre culture.

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  29. Donc Apparatchik et The Cat, vous êtes tous les deux d'accord que n'importe quel PM du Québec devenu pays indépendant ne voudrait retourner des pouvoirs à Ottawa. Qu'ils soient aujourd'hui fédéralistes ou souverainistes, aucun ne retournerait des pouvoirs à Ottawa. Et c'est tout à fait normal, puisqu'aucun pays au monde ne voudrait céder sa souveraineté ou la déléguer à un voisin. Et pour votre information, je reçois la même réponse que la vôtre de la part de tous les fédéralistes à qui je parle. Aucun ne peut nommer un seul pouvoir qu'ils voudraient renvoyer à Ottawa. Moins de distance nous sépare que nous voulons bien le croire.

    Peut-être, mais soit vous vous exprimez très mal votre prémisse/conclusion ou bien je ne comprends pas où vous vous en allez. Je comprends mal la pertinence d'une question portant sur quel(s) pouvoir(s) un PM d'un hypothétique Québec-pays renverrait/partagerait avec Ottawa tant et aussi longtemps que le Québec est une province canadienne. C'est en effet le Parti Québécois et son attitude de "gouvernance souverainiste" qui perpétue chez la majorité de Québécois programmés à leur idéologie la fiction selon laquelle que le Québec est et a toujours été un pays indépendant et qui joue à la vierge offensée lorsqu'on leur rappelle que la réalité est toute autre.

    ... à moins que j'aie mal compris où vous vous en allez avec ça.

    Le Québec, comme nation et comme territoire, s'est joint à 3 autres provinces pour former une confédération en 1867. Il est aussi bon de rappeler qu'il a joint sur un vote de députés, que la population n'a jamais été consultée à ce sujet en 1867. C'est un gouvernement majoritaire de l'Assemblée nationale qui a signé l'entente de 1867... Peu de québécois le savent.
    Comment faites-vous pour taper avec la tête entre les fesses? Il n'y avait pas de "Québec" ou d'"Ontario" suite à l'Acte d'Union de 1840 mais plutôt une seule Province du Canada-Uni dont la législature représentait cette seule et même province qui comprenait ce qui deviendrait les provinces actuelles du Québec et de l'Ontario. C'est avec l'Acte de l'Amérique du Nord Britannique, lequel a donné naissance au Canada, qui a restitué l'assemblée législative du Québec en 1867. Or, comment voulez-vous que le parlement qui a été crée par l'AANB même de 1867 ait pu se prononcer avant même qu'il soit créé? Rappelons que l'AANB a été approuvé en majorité par les députés, lesquels étaient les élus directs du peuple de l'époque.

    Notons aussi que nous devons notre système à deux paliers (provincial et fédéral) à George-Étienne Cartier, lequel en a fait une condition sine qua non pour que la "nation canadienne-française" se joigne à la confédération précisément pour que nous puissions retenir le contrôle sur les éléments sociaux qui pouvaient garantir notre survie en tant que peuple. Ça le PQ ne vous le dira jamais car c'est une vérité qui minerait leur révisionnisme politique et même leur propre raison d'être. Alors de grâce, vérifiez avant de dire des conneries.

    Soit vous essayez de brouiller les cartes délibérément car c'est vendeur auprès d'une clientèle francophone qui répond bien au misérabilisme et à l'auto-victimisée faciles

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    1. À partir de là, le Canada a connu plusieurs premiers ministres, dont certains très centralisateurs qui ont retiré des pouvoirs au Québec, principalement à partir du moment où Ottawa s'est octroyé le pouvoir fédéral de percevoir des impôts et de dépenser (qui n'existait pas au début).
      Auriez-vous l'amabilité de décrire comment Ottawa a pu s'octroyer de ces pouvoirs? Le fédéral ne l'a pas fait unilatéralement mais a dû obtenir le consentement des premiers ministres provinciaux (rappelons comment Duplessis avait sur-dramatisé l'événement en lapidant Godbout pour sa "traîtrise" de 1940). Et ce ne fut aucunement une mesure qui visait uniquement le Québec, mais toutes les provinces au pays. Attention aux faits historiques et aux généralisations, s'il vous plait.

      Et aujourd'hui, 130 ans plus tard, il faut demander la permission au peuple pour retrouver la souveraineté que nous avons perdu. Effectivement, c'est très ironique.
      Il y a tellement de choses qui ne vont pas dans votre raisonnement. D'abord, le territoire du Québec en 1867 était plus petit. Celui-ci a connu une expansion grâce à des agissement de ce même michant fédéral que vous semblez tant vilipender par votre désinformation. Donc nous n'avions pas de "souveraineté" sur le Grand Nord, par exemple. Pensez-y dans le cadre d'une partition éventuelle hypothétique. Ensuite, ce n'était pas il y "130 ans" qu'on nous a "enlevé" la souveraineté. De 1840, en passant par 1792, avant la conquête, et même dans l'époque de la Nouvelle France, les Canadiens n'avaient pas ce que vous semblez apparenter à de la "souveraineté". Le plus souvent, c'était un roi français ou anglais et/ou un parlement de l'autre côté de l'Atlantique qui contrôlait le jeu. Voilà encore une autre désinformation/fiction qu'il faut se garder de propager si l'on se veut honnête et sérieux. Autrement, la seule chose qui est ironique, c'est que vous venez sur ce blogue pour essayer de passer pour un intello alors que vous ne connaissez pas notre histoire.

      Effectivement, je leur botterais le derrière s'ils refusaient d'apprendre l'anglais, et je ne vois pas comment l'apprentissage d'une langue peut amener quelqu'un à perdre sa culture. Je partage en ce sens votre idée : que l'on peut apprendre une ou plusieurs langues secondes sans perdre notre culture.
      Donc vous êtes d'accord pour dire que la crainte suscitée par des affiches commerciales parfaitement bilingues (ayant texte anglais et français de même taille), par exemple, (sans même parler du harcèlement de l'OQLF et des groupes de pressions style SSJB, RRQ, et JPQ) est injustifiée?

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    2. Come on Apparatchik, que ça s'appelle le Bas-Canada, le Canada-Est ou le Québec, c'était le même territoire et le même peuple.

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    3. 1. Le territoire du Québec en 1867 était beaucoup plus petit que celui d'aujourd'hui. Il faut rappeler que ce Grand Nord riche en ressources nous a été attribué (essentiellement donné) par le méchant fédéral. Ça ne cesse jamais de me surprendre comment au Québec on a toujours la main tendue lorsqu'il est question de nananes mais on joue à la vierge offensée lorsqu'il faut avaler une pilule particulièrement amère.

      2. L'étendue du territoire n'enlève rien au reste de ma réponse qui traite du révisionnisme évident de monsieur.

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  30. All I have to say is, if quebec thinks seperactions from canada will help in their quest to remove anglos once more, they're sadly mistaken...anglos are not considered a minority in quebec according to united nations/amnestly int'l...but once quebec becomes it's own country they will have no say in the matter....anglos will be a minority and quebec will have to adhear to the world laws and recognize anglo rights.....go ahead, seperate

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    1. By no mean should the interest for Quebec's sovereignty project lie in a 'quest to remove anglos'. We've lost way too many already in the 76-80 era. I am amongst those who want Quebec to become an independent country as much, or even more, for political and economical reasons as for cultural or linguistic ones. There is a huge difference between the desire to see a french speaking country emerge and prosper in North America, and the desire to 'remove anglos'. That's called ethnic cleansing, and it has nothing to do with my dream of a seat at the United Nations.

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    2. Well then as a separatist, I can tell you that with ideals like those you are in very bad company.

      Read the last few months' worth of comments/postings on http://www.vigile.net/ and tell me that objectively you don't see the independence project more as a vindictive revenge-fest by those peddling the movement itself than about promoting the lofty ideals you seem to embrace. Our indifference at the disappearing anglo communities in Quebec outside Montreal is no better than the indifference of many in English Canada at shrinking/disappearing francophone communities there.

      Are you sure you aren't really a closet federalist?

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  31. sorry typo....seperating instead of seperactions

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