Friday, June 8, 2012

French versus English Volume 56

Too bad they didn't handcuff his mouth as well!

After arrests, Khadir family embraces its anarchist roots

Not to be outdone by his nineteen year-old daughter, Yalda, who's been arrested a couple of times for various actions in relation to the student demonstrations, Amir Khadir took part in an illegal demonstration and got himself arrested.
He practically begged police to arrest him...Hear him taunt the police.

Explaining that his act of civil disobedience was justified in the face of an unjust law, he compared himself to Martin Luther King and Gandhi...
Really?.... Khadir in the same company as Gandhi and MLK?
Methinks he is starting to become a self-important, pompous ass and I doubt they'll be erecting a statue to his name any time soon! Story of the arrest.

Unfortunately for Khadir, he was slapped with a $495 plus fine for blocking traffic instead of what he had been hoping for, a charge with disobeying Bill 78, which is clearly more heroic than fighting a traffic ticket.

At any rate, he was roasted in a radio interview by the loathsome Benoit Dutrizac, who saw the danger in this new rational of civil disobedience, fretting that Anglos could use the same justification to disobey Bill 101. 
The interview was precious, as Khadir tried to explain that what is sauce for the goose is not necessarily good for the gander.   
Telling the interviewer that his group was justified in disobeying the law because they were in the right while the Anglos are not justified in disobeying Bill 101 because they are in the wrong, Dutrizac mocked him mercilessly for his magical thinking.
If you understand French, you're going to laugh your ass off, as Dutrizac shows him up for a fool. Listen to Radio EGO

"When injustice becomes the law, resistance is a duty"
By the way, Papa Khadir has a way to go to catch up to his daughter, who is turning out to be quite the anarchist. She was arrested  once again yesterday in a sweep by police looking for the perpetrators of the vandalism of the offices of Liberal cabinet minister Line Beauchamp and those who were responsible for the metro smoke bombs. According to ace crime reporter Claude Poirier, Yalda's fingerprints were found in the premises of the office of the minister. Yikes!
In relation to her arrest, the Khadir residence was the subject of a search warrant and was given a good going through..
The Khadirs have clearly given up all pretenses of being law-abiding citizens as the sign on their front door attests.
As policy, I don't usually publish pictures of private residences of public figures, but the Khadirs have made their stoop a billboard promoting anarchy. I have however blurred out the address and will omit to name the street.
How badly do cops want to send a Khadir off to the Clink? ....very much so. Dunno.....

It's a developing story.   Read the story
Further reading;  Amir-Khadir has lot to hide

Separatists not ready to share.

Our good friend Pierre Curzi once again demonstrated that he's a dreamer and political novice by calling for the three separatists parties to join forces in the next provincial election in order to fight the Liberals of Jean Charest. In an open letter printed in the Devoir, he suggested that;
Marois turning her nose up at a coalition
"The purpose of this call is to join forces to promote the election of a progressive and democratic government.
Why join the forces? 
Because the division of votes, especially among francophones, promotes the re-election of the Liberal Party. An ultra dynamic coalition vote would allow abstainers to participate, who are the only ones who can put the Liberals in opposition."
Let's be honest, he's probably right and his idea holds merit, so it isn't any surprise that Pauline Marois rejected the idea out of hand. She must have failed sharing in kindergarten.
Her cavalier decision to keep the separatist vote split sparked the ire of certain diehards who called her decision 'pitiful' and called for her replacement. Link{Fr}

Job Discrimination 'no big deal'

Last year I told you about an educated  francophone Muslim who applied for many a civil service job, only to see his application consigned to the scrap heap. Wondering if it was his obviously Arabic name which was the problem, he sent in two nearly identical applications, one altered to hide the fact that he was an immigrant.
Lo an behold the 'non-immigrant' application received an offer for an interview, while the true application with the Muslim name was passed over.
To make a long story short, he sued and won a settlement for discrimination.
Did the agency take corrective action or even apologize?
What do you think?
As far as the offending government agency was concerned, the fine was just the 'cost of doing business.'

Well a new report prepared by the government's Human Rights Agency tells us that things haven't changed much.
"It sadly comes as no surprise to learn that people with foreign-sounding names have significantly less chance of getting even a job interview, never mind the job, than those with typically Québécois monikers.
A study released this week by the Quebec Human Rights and Youth Rights Commission found that Quebecers with “Québécois-de-souche” names such as Tremblay or Bouchard are 64 per cent more likely to get invited to a job interview than those with names like Traoré or Ben Amin, even if their qualifications are identical.  Read the rest of the story    Alternate Link
Now one would think that this report would be received with a certain measure of shock and concern but it's hardly the case, the story made hardly a ripple.

Here's the attitude that most Quebecers adhere to;



Census figures augur poorly for Quebec

"Quebec's growth rate pales beside Alberta's (10.8 per cent) and Saskatchewan's (6.7 per cent). At 4.7 per cent, it was only 0.4 per cent higher than the 4.3-per-cent rate it recorded during the period measured by the previous census. Meanwhile, Yukon's rate doubled, as did Manitoba's.

As a result, Quebec's share of the overall Canadian population declined from 23.9 per cent in 2006 to 23.6 per cent in 2011.

During that same period, Quebec sustained a net loss of 50,000 residents to interprovincial migration - though the most recently measured annual net outflow, for 2010, was down to 3,244, much better than during the first two years of the census period, when the net loss was nearly triple that.It is also notable that Montreal does not rank among the 15 fastest-growing metropolitan areas in the country, and it is small comfort that Quebec City comes in at No. 14."
Read more : ALTERNATE LINK

Francophones watch and listen to English media.

"Earlier this month, Cineplex launched “Les jeudis sans doublage” (no-dubbing Thursdays), in several theaters across Québec. “Your favorite actors! Their real voices!” claims Cineplex’s website.
Several movie theatres have featured films in their original English version in the Montreal area. However, the marketing program “Les jeudis sans doublage” brings them to theatres that, so far, have been catering to mostly francophone audiences: in the Montreal suburbs of Dorion and Delson, in the Québec City area, and in the towns of Victoriaville, St-Jean-sur-Richelieu, and Sherbrooke. “A good part of our audience has expressed an interest in seeing the latest productions in their original English version” explained Daniel Séguin, vice-president for Eastern Canada and general manager in Québec at Cineplex Entertainment in a press release."

Proving the point that you cannot legislate taste. I can only imagine the outrage and sense of betrayal over at the militant language organizations...
To Mario Beaulieu et als, I can only remind them that ...."The heart wants what the heart wants"

Adding salt to the wound, Francophones also make up the majority of listeners of Montreal English FM radio stations because these stations are not subject to language restrictions.
French stations must play a majority of French music according to CRTC rules, an extreme handicap that they've complained about over the years. The rule's disparity gives their English competitors a BIG advantage.
Such is the perverse result of regulations designed to legislate personal behavior and taste.
Read the rest of the story

How pitiful is this....

I've always maintained that French language militant groups are vastly over-exposed in the press, garnering disproportionate media exposure
For this reason, membership figures are a closely guarded secret, but the Mouvement Laval français let the cat out of the bag.
The Laval version of the MQF, was created last November to save Laval from the scourge of English, but it hasn't exactly attracted a big following.
According to Manon Arsenault, the president of Mouvement Laval français, it's membership is but a handful of people. Link{Fr}
It has set the rather ambitious goal of attracting 250 members and raising $2,500.
This in Quebec's second largest city with a population of over 400,000 people.
Good luck with that.

Holocaust survivor makes stunning gift to Montreal museum.

A Jewish Holocaust survivor donated a $75 million art collection as a “thank you for everything” that Montreal, Quebec and Canada had offered his family.
This gift is in addition  to the $50 million the Hornsteins had already donated . Read the story

This week I took a walking tour of downtown Montreal in preparation for Monday's post and I noticed that the Montreal Museum of Fine Arts has both the English and French versions of the name of the museum equally displayed outside the building, something rare these days in Montreal.
Could it be that that the overwhelming majority of patrons and donators are Anglophones?

Weekend Reading

A while back I wrote a somewhat prescient article declaring Montreal the riot capital of North America. Read it HERE
Coolopolis has a nice piece about some of the more obscure riots that have taken place in Montreal.
Read: Obscure riots from the city's past.

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Funniest interview of an anti-government protestor . See it HERE in French


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Here's an interesting retrospective of West Hill high school by a Montreal ex-pat living in Vancouver . Link

Thought of the week

Background:
"Concordia University students who blocked others from attending classes and exams during the now four-month-old “student strike” protests will face sanctions, reports the Montreal Gazette."
The university’s Office of Rights and Responsibilities has charged a number of students under the Code of Rights and Responsibilities and will try them this month. Sanctions may include payment for damaged property, community service, suspension or expulsion, a university spokesperson has said.  Link

  Given that Concordia has taken action against certain students who disrupted classes, it's entirely possible that francophone schools will also take action.
UQAM remedy?----Extra Credit. 

Readers:
Don't miss Monday's post which I am in the process of putting together this weekend.
In response to the OQLF report about English signage in downtown Montreal, I set out for myself to see if their conclusions were accurate.
For hours, I walked the streets of several blocks in the downtown 'English' core, entering each store and recording what I saw, exacting a very detailed study of the signs.

 As you can imagine, my version of the truth is far from that of the OQLF.
In the meantime have a very good weekend.  

Très bon week end à tous !!

53 comments:

  1. Awesome post as usual Editor, but can you please post an alternative URL linking to the comment made by the MTL Ex-pat? Or perhaps quote it in the comments section?

    Thanks

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  2. DrunkGuyReneLevesqueKilledFriday, June 8, 2012 at 8:36:00 AM EDT

    The Montreal Museum of Fine Arts (MMA) was founded by Anglophones for the benefit of Quebec as was the Montreal Sypmhony Orchestra (MSO). Sadly, the Orchestra has ceased using its English moniker, no doubt part of the campaign to rewrite history and eradicate any signs of English in Quebec. While French Quebec was dutifully building mammoth churches all over Quebec (which now sit vacant), Anglophones were building Montreal for the past 200 years.

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    1. Maybe Anglophone contributors to the MSO should cease contributing and we can put to a test what will happen to the MSO. Then again, many Anglophones have shown great resilience despite all the language shenanigans over the last four decades (I confess I'm not one of them!), so thanks to individuals like them and to the Hornstein Family for their most generous and colossal gift to the arts in Montreal, there is still life in the city.

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    2. L'Orchestre symphonique de Montréal n'a pas été fondé par des Anglos :

      http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/articles/fr/emc/orchestre-symphonique-de-montreal

      Ça suffit ! L'appropriation de ce qui ne vous appartient pas. Race de voleurs d'identité.

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    3. "Race de voleurs d'identité."

      this is fun :). tell us more. how's your world, your reality? do you see spots?

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    4. http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/articles/emc/montreal-philharmonic-society

      You stupid or what? Also, the hysterical attitude is not ok my friend.

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    5. You guys are arguing about two different things. What he's talking about technically predates the Philharmonic Society.

      http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/articles/emc/montreal-symphony-orchestraorchestre-symphonique-de-montreal

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  3. Sorry guys for my off topic message, but it's something that I've never heard in 4 months of protest. Nobody brought this into discussion: besides the fact that the students in Quebec pay the lowest tuition fees in the country, they enjoy a lot of deductions : STM pass, cinemas, theaters, museums, bookstores...etc.
    Nobody ( at least I've never heard nobody ) discussed about this. Ok, you want us to freeze tuition taxes, well then, OK. But you will start to pay like anyone else for STM pass let's say.

    http://www.stm.info/info/doc/grille2012.pdf

    so for monthly CAM: 73.50-43.75=31.75 x 12 months = 381 $.

    They pay 381 $ less then us a year. This is also subsidized by us, because I'm sure STM knows how to cost amortization.

    So only by doing this, the amount they'll pay is greater than the yearly tuition fee proposed by the gov.

    Their argument is that you cannot prevent access to education. It's their entitlement...but it's not your entitlement to pay less for monthly transport, cinemas, museums and so on.

    Sorry again Ed for off topic.

    Have a nice weekend all of you.

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    1. That's a great point!

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    2. Yet nobody in 4 months mention it !

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    3. There is no need to apologize, Normal Guy. It's a contemporary issue, and I guess you're the only one to have thought of it, or at least promulgate it.

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    4. Students in the rest of the country routinely have a free STM pass as part of their tuition, and enjoy student discounts on a number of services. What's the difference with Quebec?

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    5. that's why there's so many professional students...take your sweet time at dead end studies ..a semester here and there..take time off, work in tipping jobs, tax refund,cheaper bus fare and so on ,,lives at home ..their parents impress their friends at work .....yaa my son goes to UQAM and when he's finished he'll get a good paying job : response :and where do you think he'll find that Job ...the goverment

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    6. Outside Quebec, or at least Outside Quebec or in McGill, one can often get funding of 20-25 000$ a year if one is a graduate student in hard sciences. This allows one to get his Masters/Ph.D. at the expense of the state in a variety of programs. Tuition still needs to be paid, but it's a case of the University paying itself with some of the money that is given out. Sometimes tuition is taken directly one's "paycheck" (such as it is).

      When you think about it, for the cost of one graduate student you could probably have 5 students come to university for free. I find it difficult to fault and demonize the protesting students of Quebec when I personally have enjoyed a free ride for 10 year of higher education at the expense of the state. It would be pretty hypocritical of me to say that they suffer from entitlement when they are asking for less than I got.

      This was without taking "breaks", having tipping jobs (I did spend my undergraduate summers working in research labs, again at the expense of the state however). I did live at home for the first four years, used the tax refunds as well, though. But then again, hard sciences aren't dead end studies so much.

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    7. Good point Yann but you are returning that favor through taxes off your pay.so your clever, you ended up doing 10 years of free ride.but Yann you went and studied and made some thing of your self and returned the ride...

      what I mean is many spend years studying a program only find that there's no use for it or even better could even sense where all this work would lead them in the first place .first it becomes a waste of tax payers money and students in hawk .to me that's an educated dummy.

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    8. Point taken. I agree with you, but I think alot of the blame can be placed not on the students themselves but on the universities, businesses, etc...

      We've been telling children that they need a degree to succeed - so now that's become true. How can we blame them that everyone, no matter their intellect, expects to have access to a degree now?

      The universities have gleefully complied, increasing their class sizes (I've been to universities where up to 1500 students were listening to a lecturer at the same time) and benefiting from increases in governmental funding, economies of scale. The extra money can then be funneled into research to further the prestige of the university.

      Businesses now hire people with a college degree for jobs that did not used to require a college degree. To become a journalist 20 years ago, you had to show up and have the right personality. To become a journalist today, you need a social sciences - sociology, history, communications, even a journalism degree exists now.

      The businesses are of course only responding to supply and demand - there is a supply of people with college degrees so of course those ones get the jobs first. Therefore the demand shifts, even though technically the job does not demand a college degree.

      If you wanted to kick out the bums, you'd have to sociol engineer our society so that businesses did not automatically value someone with a degree more than someone with a high school degree. You'd have to change the message we bombard our kids with from "After High School you must go to university or you'll be a bum" to "After High School you should think about the job you want to do. Then, go to university if that helps you, or go to a technical college if that's more helpful."

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    9. that's true to a point.. what you mean Yann is the lower educated that lose or don't get hired..think for a minute where do all these students go ...they go in the money making merry go round.. university's need students in order to get government money if not we would have a system like the states where you can be in hawk for a couple hundred grand depending what you do..In turn the government gives benefits to potential company's to hire them and in return they come contributors ..tax is harnessed of them from both ends the company and the employees..the other person in this game is the bank...Student!YOU us money..but the decision still remains with the student on what he has potential for or how much mileage I can get out of this carrier ..

      multiply this with the thousands of students..the sad part is the regular educated person lower pay lower taxes.. there's no real money to be had at this level and the banks not much

      this principal works great when economy is good, when it goes bad or slows money dries up and adds to the debt mountain ..the provincial governments from the 60's till now that have made this and other money pits are stuck! think about it is left here to get us out or the newly minted students? those thousands.

      after high school you should think...Not after ..Before! with the help of the parents to decide..If not join the merry go round

      the government cant afford it any more! whats here for the students to under stand.. NO MORE MONEY.. stop dreaming ..like the government the students back them self's in a corner with no deal they have nothing to offer.. as far as I'm concerned they can clan clan day and night and wear holes in there pans and when that's done their parents can give them some new ones...jerks

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  4. ATTENTION READERS

    Unfortunately, i forgot to check the SPAM folder for the last couple of days and I found about a dozen good comments there just now.
    If you were wondering what happened to your comment, I apologize.
    They have been published.

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  5. Mr. Sauga's Ode to this week's idioticness in QuebecFriday, June 8, 2012 at 7:42:00 PM EDT

    If I had it my way, the whole Khadir clan would be packed tightly in a shipping crate and sent on a slow barge right back where they came from for promoting anti-Sematism. Let them live in the dictatorship where they came from because the Khadir values sink far below appropriate Canadian values. A Canadian politician has no business promoting the hatred and antidemocratic values instead of serving his constituents.

    Re the Census figures: Is this a big surprise? I don't think so. If the current protests continue, I think they're going to turn off residents who may also choose to leave for the more peaceful climes in the RoC.

    Queen Pauline: She'd cut off her helium-filled nose to spite her face (in this case it may be an improvement considering she's uglier than a bulldog!

    Civil Service: Les autres et les étrangers need not apply--Québécois pur laine members only need apply. Hasn't this been the case for the last 50 years anyway?

    To the Hornstein Family: As written before, bless you all and thanks for thinking of your city, province and country. A very generous gift indeed.

    I wonder what the Khadirs will do in gratitude of leaving their politically unstable country? Hmmm...

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    1. Mr. Sauga*s Ode to the ApostropheFriday, June 8, 2012 at 7:50:00 PM EDT

      Where does this crazy ' come from? Has this replaced the apostrophe? Maybe this is an OQLF plot to remove the apostrophe from the internet...at least in Quebec!

      Boy, talk about petty!!!

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    2. Very funny! It's &# 39; (without the space), yet it turns into an apostrophe in the comments. 'Tis a weird world!

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  6. Just finished watching the first showing of Prometheus in Laval...I'm sure at least half viewers were Francophone and they enjoyed it!!..It goes to show how small these language groups are but they are in the right places....the film was excellent!!!

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  7. Read the comment of a well-known pure laine, a quebecois de souche regarding the student protest. In French and in English.

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  8. I watched the video in the section Job Discrimination.

    It reminded me of an interesting Nod Dogs or Anglophones comment thread : http://nodogsoranglophones.blogspot.ca/2012/04/french-versus-english-volume-53.html?showComment=1335540008390#c7199598027201813162

    Some selected pieces :
    "...we are literally air-lifting illiterate Haitians and North Africans here who's only "skill" is being able to communicate in French (or a variant of)."
    "Immigration to Quebec is largely based on language first, skill second."
    Yannick noted that "Dans d'autres fils du blogue, des gens sont allés plus loin en disant que des immigrants indiens ou d'extrême-Orient sont "supérieurs" aux mexicains, haitians, nord-africains, etc..."

    My understanding is that some of you have a negative a opinion of immigrants from non-english countries. The new report prepared by the government's Human Rights Agency suggests that franco-quebeckers have the same kind racist bias.

    Of course, the racist bias of others is no excuse for our own ethnocentric, atavistic, and both congenital and skillfuly crafted by decades of nationalistic propaganda (have I forgot something?) racism.

    My point is simply that you are offended by our biased attitudes but fail to see your own.

    (About immigrants whose only skill is speaking french, I would like to note that the last four immigrants from North Africa that I met were full time working trilingual skillful workers (two IT engineers, one telecommunication specialist, and one programmer).

    (Dumont's question is nevertheless interesting : would a Dumont in Japan be called for interview as often as japanese candidates?...)

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    1. In France, a similar bias exists against people with a "muslim" name. I haven't heard of the same experiment conducted elsewhere.

      I'd be interested in how anglo-Canadian hiring practices differ, too.

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    2. I've been working for my current employer going on 14 years, in the Greater Toronto Area, and several of those years ago, I met a fellow who lived for a time in Montreal, originally from Ethiopia, and was told at a job interview Québécois pur laine are given preference. CRÉTINS They why do they want immigrants in the first place, to put them in ghettos and pay them welfare? There are enough Québécois pur laine stumblebums they can do that with...and happily, too!

      I too know a fellow who came to Montreal from Cuba through marriage. He learned English, AND French, prior to his coming. He took a French course for new immigrants, I imagine, to improve his French. Then he took his P. Eng. exam and passed it the second time, and now he has a job as an elevator inspector for the Quebec Government. It IS possible! In Cuba, after government provisions, he had a monthly disposable income of $20! I'm sure he makes MUCH more than that an HOUR now!!!

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    3. Come now! You KNOW how Anglophone hiring practices work in the Quebec government. 13% of the population, 1% of the personnel. Even back in 1985, Bou-Bou Bourassa made election promises that he'd boost the civil service to more accurately reflect the non Québécois pur laine portion of the population.

      The election took place on December 2, 1985. By December 3, 1985, that promise was long, long forgotten as was his promise to ease the French-only sign legislation. Worse yet, he inflicted Bill 178 upon the minorities almost exactly three years later to the day. Richard French, Herbert Marx and Clifford Lincoln, three of the best in Bou-Bou's cabinet, all voted against the bill and all resigned their political careers en masse. As far as I'm concerned, there hasn't been one goddamn single politician who had the gonads those three did representing predominantly English ridings, and that's coming on 24 years ago! Kathleen Weil, Yolande James, Geoffrey Kelley and a few others couldn't THINK of hold a candle to the three in Bou-Bou's cabinet!

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    4. Mr Sauga,

      "Anglophone hiring practices" can mean two things : 1. anglophone's practices when they (anglophones) are hiring and 2. the practice of hiring anglophones (anglophones being hired) I guess Yannick meant #1 and wondered what anglophones do when they are hiring.

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    5. Mr Sauga,

      But I understand that you were talking about hiring of anglophones. Indeed, very few anglo work for Québec's government. Why? I have no definitive answer, but perhaps we could try some hypothesis.

      1. Althought they speak french, many anglos might not have adequate french writing skills? (Not a so crazy idea, see David Johnston : http://www.montrealgazette.com/opinion/David+Johnston+best+French+teacher+anglos+life+experience/6387908/story.html)

      2. If you are bilingual, aren't you better off working for the federal instead of the provincial government? Better wages, better international opportunities? Being bilingual, you get ahead faster?

      3. Québec has many civil servants outside of Montréal. Could it be possible that anglos montrealers are not that eager to move to Rimouski or Saguenay to work for the provincial government? You can live in english in Montréal, but in Rimouski...

      4. Could there be a "network effect"? Whenever there is a new opportunity arising, one tells about it to his friends. Francos being the vast majority in the Québec government, news of such opportunities circulate among francos first and foremost. If you live in an english speaking bubble, you are not connected to this informal network.

      5. Could it be that for anglos, the real government is the canadian government, and when one thinks about working for the government, one thinks about the federal government? The provincial government greatly expanded during the Quiet Revolution, when anglos finlay noticed that something was going on, all jobs were already filled by francos. (And due to the nationalistic nature of the Quiet Revolution and the role played by the state in this revolution, perhaps anglos were not that keen to join in...)

      But whatever, I could think of different rational causes, but it is irrelevant. We will not waist time thinking and questionning reality. If anglos are underrepresented in the Québec civil service, we all know for a fact that it is, it must be, because of our racism, our ethnocentrism, because of what we are and because of everything that is wrong with us.

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    6. My personal guess is that Quebec boasts some of the lowest wages for public servants in the free world ; as such anglophones are more unlikely than Quebec francophones to apply themselves to a government job when they can do better in the private industry, outside the province, etc...

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    7. I think all the points you raise are true to a degree, Michel.

      For instance, for #1, jobs in the private sector in Montreal tend to only ask for oral bilingualism. But to work for the government, one usually needs excellent writing skills as well, something that anglophones are less likely to posess than francophones; I would guess because few of them amuse themselves in writing in French when writing in English is much more useful and natural to them.

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    8. Re poor writing skills in French: I have dealt with French speakers in my work. I admit I don't have the best written French skills, but a lot of the writing I saw of Francophones absolutely shocked me, and I was able to pick up the grammar errors quite easily. Forgetting accents over letters was severely abused. If I forgot so much as an accent writing a sentance, I got a big fat X next to the sentance and lost marks back in my high school French classes. The Quebec Government constantly and harshly criticizes the poor levels of French written communication. Hmmmmm...

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    9. Unfortunately your average francophone is terrible in French writing and even worse at English. The ones from New-Brunswick are a bit better at English and much worse at French.

      It's a disgrace, really.

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    10. One forgets that the average french speaker's french is average, so is the average english speaker's english, so is the average german speaker's german.

      One making an error in his own native language is not unusual. For instance, one could write sentAnce instead of sentEnce.

      "...absolutely shocked me..." I can easily picture you being absolutely shocked.

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    11. Before we go on arguing about each of the points I raised, you both understand that my point was that, regardless of the issue, the underrepresentation of anglos in Québec civil service or whatever, the cause is always and is only about something wrong with us, about something wrong with what we are or what we do?

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    12. Yannick,

      Je dirais qu'il y a chez les francophones (à travers le monde) un élément de purisme linguistique très fort.

      En anglais, on dit "a mistake", qui a l'étymologie de "méprise", qui donne l'idée d'une erreur involontaire, l'idée de s'être trompé. En français, on dit plutôt "une faute" et une faute, c'est pire qu'une erreur ou une méprise, la faute suggère l'idée de ne pas s'être simplement trompé, mais d'avoir fait quelque chose d'immoral. On dit "avoir commis une faute envers Dieu" et non "avoir commis une erreur envers Dieu", on dit "expier ses fautes", etc. Je trouve que c'est une observation intéressante et révélatrice.

      Je crois que ce "purisme" linguistique est mal compris par les anglophones qui ont l'impression qu'on fait ça juste pour les faire chier, alors que ça n'a rien à voir, on se fait autant chier entre nous avec ça.

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    13. Effectivement, tu as raison.

      Mais en Acadie, mes compatriotes sont tellements pourris en français qu'il leur est presqu'impossible de lire ou écouter une émission/film en français. Et ça, c'est pire que la "moyenne" des anglophones.

      Exemple: à l'université de Moncton, la moitié des étudians locaux sont incapables d'écrire un texte de 500 mots en 2 heures sans qu'il soit bourré de fautes.

      Mais malgré ça, j'étais presqu'entièrement d'accord avec toi Michel.

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  9. Michel se moquant amicalement de Mr SaugaSunday, June 10, 2012 at 10:18:00 AM EDT

    "If I forgot so much as an accent writing a sentance, I got a big fat X next to the sentance and lost marks back in my high school French classes.

    It was 38 years ago but I remember it like it was yesterday. You could tell how hateful was that X by the way it was made with such a large pen and, of course, she used a red pen as if the X was not obvious enough in itself. Losing marks for a spelling error in a language class, how far will this madness go?

    And you know how things work in Kwebec. It is no wonder that this french teaching job could ONLY go to a french speaker.

    That day when I got this big fat red X, I made a promise to myself : I will never write an accented "e" again. Only ten years later that I could finaly move to Ontario and quit writing accented "e"s for good. It was 28 years ago at 10:32 in the morning.

    But you can never escape it. In Ontario, we are shoved down our troats bilingual labelling. But you know what? In the morning, I eat bread since there is no accented "e" in "pain", so much for the "cErEales" with its TWO accented "e"s on the french side of the box. IN YOUR FACE!

    And I am happy to tell you that I persuaded my new MontrEal girlfriend to quit writing accented "e"s too. It took some time, but she finaly decided to quit writing accented "e" and she NEVER regretted.

    So I have never ever wrote another accented "e" in my life and I am so happy about it. And I am happy to tell my psychiatrist that I moved on and never looked back."

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    1. Quebec had its own psychiatrist, Camille Laurin, who was a very disturbing figure and reminded one of a Gestapo officer.

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    2. If you have ever taken Rorschach's test, I would be curious to know if you saw many Gestapo figures in the stains.

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    3. :)

      Il se répète souvent, notre Sauga hein?

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    4. I'm surprised Michel Patrice hasn't notified us all again of his upcoming schedule and exactly when he will be posting his next comments. I mean, we're all sitting on the edge of our seats, waiting anxiously to read his marvellous and sublime insights...NOT!

      Most psychiatrists would probably label Mr. Patrice as a self-important wanker.

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    5. Adski was right when he wrote that Camille Laurin was a sociopath masquerading as a psychiatrist.

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    6. Michel Patrice, your self righteousness knows no bounds. Ask any anglophone who was around at the time and a victim of the pathetic and evil Dr. Laurin if they thought he resembled a Gestapo officer. You will undoubtedly be shocked by the answer. In fact just ask them what he reminded them of. Your problem is that you don't interact with anglophones. If you did, you would not tell us how we are all imagining things about francophones.

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  10. Imaginez notre ville aujourd'hui sans le génie de M.Camille Laurin.

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    1. Yeah, jobs for everyone, head offices, better infrastructure, less government debt, a magnet for international talent.....

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    2. The situation in Ontario is far better than it is in Quebec, despite Ontario's economic problems during the past few years.

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  11. "The situation in Ontario is far better than it is in Quebec"

    Comment expliquer la présence de tant d'anglos au Québec...Y'a quequ'chose qui cloche.

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