tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post6224980027996953675..comments2024-02-17T03:22:53.951-05:00Comments on No Dogs or Anglophones: French versus English Volume 56Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05699783315783642466noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-36705966036165592532013-01-03T09:49:31.801-05:002013-01-03T09:49:31.801-05:00We've had a lot of satisfied customers in 2012...We've had a lot of satisfied customers in 2012; we plan to close out the new year by offering some really cool stuff! <a href="http://www.morphonite.com/" rel="nofollow">Rorschach Masks</a>.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10692179608682412417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-63882713672343583342012-06-16T16:18:18.309-04:002012-06-16T16:18:18.309-04:00Michel Patrice, your self righteousness knows no b...Michel Patrice, your self righteousness knows no bounds. Ask any anglophone who was around at the time and a victim of the pathetic and evil Dr. Laurin if they thought he resembled a Gestapo officer. You will undoubtedly be shocked by the answer. In fact just ask them what he reminded them of. Your problem is that you don't interact with anglophones. If you did, you would not tell us how we are all imagining things about francophones.Jonahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-49997310512796559842012-06-11T18:36:15.378-04:002012-06-11T18:36:15.378-04:00"The situation in Ontario is far better than ..."The situation in Ontario is far better than it is in Quebec"<br /><br />Comment expliquer la présence de tant d'anglos au Québec...Y'a quequ'chose qui cloche.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-30356281735391931552012-06-11T12:03:28.948-04:002012-06-11T12:03:28.948-04:00The situation in Ontario is far better than it is ...The situation in Ontario is far better than it is in Quebec, despite Ontario's economic problems during the past few years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-82543902760070924122012-06-11T07:03:04.786-04:002012-06-11T07:03:04.786-04:00Comme en ontario ?Comme en ontario ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-83200086233347703212012-06-10T23:20:05.389-04:002012-06-10T23:20:05.389-04:00Yeah, jobs for everyone, head offices, better infr...Yeah, jobs for everyone, head offices, better infrastructure, less government debt, a magnet for international talent.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-69760671265536901522012-06-10T23:14:39.978-04:002012-06-10T23:14:39.978-04:00Imaginez notre ville aujourd'hui sans le génie...Imaginez notre ville aujourd'hui sans le génie de M.Camille Laurin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-7076226503147717382012-06-10T19:52:28.748-04:002012-06-10T19:52:28.748-04:00Adski was right when he wrote that Camille Laurin ...Adski was right when he wrote that Camille Laurin was a sociopath masquerading as a psychiatrist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-60662274606452896992012-06-10T19:46:50.267-04:002012-06-10T19:46:50.267-04:00I'm surprised Michel Patrice hasn't notifi...I'm surprised Michel Patrice hasn't notified us all again of his upcoming schedule and exactly when he will be posting his next comments. I mean, we're all sitting on the edge of our seats, waiting anxiously to read his marvellous and sublime insights...NOT! <br /><br />Most psychiatrists would probably label Mr. Patrice as a self-important wanker.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-53745402395324460862012-06-10T14:45:52.123-04:002012-06-10T14:45:52.123-04:00If you have ever taken Rorschach's test, I wou...If you have ever taken Rorschach's test, I would be curious to know if you saw many Gestapo figures in the stains.Michel Patricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01355096630819086323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-58561463119239047832012-06-10T14:03:58.966-04:002012-06-10T14:03:58.966-04:00Quebec had its own psychiatrist, Camille Laurin, w...Quebec had its own psychiatrist, Camille Laurin, who was a very disturbing figure and reminded one of a Gestapo officer.Jonahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-3252081881048939952012-06-10T10:18:44.500-04:002012-06-10T10:18:44.500-04:00"If I forgot so much as an accent writing a s..."If I forgot so much as an accent writing a sentance, I got a big fat X next to the sentance and lost marks back in my high school French classes.<br /><br />It was 38 years ago but I remember it like it was yesterday. You could tell how hateful was that X by the way it was made with such a large pen and, of course, she used a red pen as if the X was not obvious enough in itself. Losing marks for a spelling error in a language class, how far will this madness go?<br /><br />And you know how things work in Kwebec. It is no wonder that this french teaching job could ONLY go to a french speaker.<br /><br />That day when I got this big fat red X, I made a promise to myself : I will never write an accented "e" again. Only ten years later that I could finaly move to Ontario and quit writing accented "e"s for good. It was 28 years ago at 10:32 in the morning.<br /><br />But you can never escape it. In Ontario, we are shoved down our troats bilingual labelling. But you know what? In the morning, I eat bread since there is no accented "e" in "pain", so much for the "cErEales" with its TWO accented "e"s on the french side of the box. IN YOUR FACE!<br /><br />And I am happy to tell you that I persuaded my new MontrEal girlfriend to quit writing accented "e"s too. It took some time, but she finaly decided to quit writing accented "e" and she NEVER regretted.<br /><br />So I have never ever wrote another accented "e" in my life and I am so happy about it. And I am happy to tell my psychiatrist that I moved on and never looked back."Michel se moquant amicalement de Mr Sauganoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-60897624916651682822012-06-10T08:52:26.703-04:002012-06-10T08:52:26.703-04:00Yannick,
Je dirais qu'il y a chez les francop...Yannick,<br /><br />Je dirais qu'il y a chez les francophones (à travers le monde) un élément de purisme linguistique très fort.<br /><br />En anglais, on dit "a mistake", qui a l'étymologie de "méprise", qui donne l'idée d'une erreur involontaire, l'idée de s'être trompé. En français, on dit plutôt "une faute" et une faute, c'est pire qu'une erreur ou une méprise, la faute suggère l'idée de ne pas s'être simplement trompé, mais d'avoir fait quelque chose d'immoral. On dit "avoir commis une faute envers Dieu" et non "avoir commis une erreur envers Dieu", on dit "expier ses fautes", etc. Je trouve que c'est une observation intéressante et révélatrice.<br /><br />Je crois que ce "purisme" linguistique est mal compris par les anglophones qui ont l'impression qu'on fait ça juste pour les faire chier, alors que ça n'a rien à voir, on se fait autant chier entre nous avec ça.Michel Patricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01355096630819086323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-29820928744284576462012-06-10T08:27:06.830-04:002012-06-10T08:27:06.830-04:00Before we go on arguing about each of the points I...Before we go on arguing about each of the points I raised, you both understand that my point was that, regardless of the issue, the underrepresentation of anglos in Québec civil service or whatever, the cause is always and is only about something wrong with us, about something wrong with what we are or what we do?Michel Patricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01355096630819086323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-70772712275625552302012-06-10T08:18:42.501-04:002012-06-10T08:18:42.501-04:00One forgets that the average french speaker's ...One forgets that the average french speaker's french is average, so is the average english speaker's english, so is the average german speaker's german.<br /><br />One making an error in his own native language is not unusual. For instance, one could write sentAnce instead of sentEnce.<br /><br />"...absolutely shocked me..." I can easily picture you being absolutely shocked.Michel Patricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01355096630819086323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-25211290135348282832012-06-10T02:25:05.554-04:002012-06-10T02:25:05.554-04:00Re poor writing skills in French: I have dealt wi...Re poor writing skills in French: I have dealt with French speakers in my work. I admit I don't have the best written French skills, but a lot of the writing I saw of Francophones absolutely shocked me, and I was able to pick up the grammar errors quite easily. Forgetting accents over letters was severely abused. If I forgot so much as an accent writing a sentance, I got a big fat X next to the sentance and lost marks back in my high school French classes. The Quebec Government constantly and harshly criticizes the poor levels of French written communication. Hmmmmm...Mr. Sauga to Michel P.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-13705642402605720682012-06-09T22:48:10.993-04:002012-06-09T22:48:10.993-04:00Mr Sauga,
But I understand that you were talking ...Mr Sauga,<br /><br />But I understand that you were talking about hiring of anglophones. Indeed, very few anglo work for Québec's government. Why? I have no definitive answer, but perhaps we could try some hypothesis.<br /><br />1. Althought they speak french, many anglos might not have adequate french writing skills? (Not a so crazy idea, see David Johnston : http://www.montrealgazette.com/opinion/David+Johnston+best+French+teacher+anglos+life+experience/6387908/story.html)<br /><br />2. If you are bilingual, aren't you better off working for the federal instead of the provincial government? Better wages, better international opportunities? Being bilingual, you get ahead faster?<br /><br />3. Québec has many civil servants outside of Montréal. Could it be possible that anglos montrealers are not that eager to move to Rimouski or Saguenay to work for the provincial government? You can live in english in Montréal, but in Rimouski...<br /><br />4. Could there be a "network effect"? Whenever there is a new opportunity arising, one tells about it to his friends. Francos being the vast majority in the Québec government, news of such opportunities circulate among francos first and foremost. If you live in an english speaking bubble, you are not connected to this informal network.<br /><br />5. Could it be that for anglos, the real government is the canadian government, and when one thinks about working for the government, one thinks about the federal government? The provincial government greatly expanded during the Quiet Revolution, when anglos finlay noticed that something was going on, all jobs were already filled by francos. (And due to the nationalistic nature of the Quiet Revolution and the role played by the state in this revolution, perhaps anglos were not that keen to join in...)<br /><br />But whatever, I could think of different rational causes, but it is irrelevant. We will not waist time thinking and questionning reality. If anglos are underrepresented in the Québec civil service, we all know for a fact that it is, it must be, because of our racism, our ethnocentrism, because of what we are and because of everything that is wrong with us.Michel Patricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01355096630819086323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-56045437396624140922012-06-09T22:41:31.489-04:002012-06-09T22:41:31.489-04:00Mr Sauga,
"Anglophone hiring practices"...Mr Sauga,<br /><br />"Anglophone hiring practices" can mean two things : 1. anglophone's practices when they (anglophones) are hiring and 2. the practice of hiring anglophones (anglophones being hired) I guess Yannick meant #1 and wondered what anglophones do when they are hiring.Michel Patricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01355096630819086323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-27130689877675744432012-06-09T21:37:12.187-04:002012-06-09T21:37:12.187-04:00that's true to a point.. what you mean Yann is...that's true to a point.. what you mean Yann is the lower educated that lose or don't get hired..think for a minute where do all these students go ...they go in the money making merry go round.. university's need students in order to get government money if not we would have a system like the states where you can be in hawk for a couple hundred grand depending what you do..In turn the government gives benefits to potential company's to hire them and in return they come contributors ..tax is harnessed of them from both ends the company and the employees..the other person in this game is the bank...Student!YOU us money..but the decision still remains with the student on what he has potential for or how much mileage I can get out of this carrier ..<br /><br />multiply this with the thousands of students..the sad part is the regular educated person lower pay lower taxes.. there's no real money to be had at this level and the banks not much<br /><br />this principal works great when economy is good, when it goes bad or slows money dries up and adds to the debt mountain ..the provincial governments from the 60's till now that have made this and other money pits are stuck! think about it is left here to get us out or the newly minted students? those thousands.<br /><br />after high school you should think...Not after ..Before! with the help of the parents to decide..If not join the merry go round<br /><br />the government cant afford it any more! whats here for the students to under stand.. NO MORE MONEY.. stop dreaming ..like the government the students back them self's in a corner with no deal they have nothing to offer.. as far as I'm concerned they can clan clan day and night and wear holes in there pans and when that's done their parents can give them some new ones...jerkspressnine401https://www.blogger.com/profile/06901474333675208108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-60721505371542817252012-06-09T17:28:37.487-04:002012-06-09T17:28:37.487-04:00Come now! You KNOW how Anglophone hiring practice...Come now! You <b>KNOW</b> how Anglophone hiring practices work in the Quebec government. 13% of the population, 1% of the personnel. Even back in 1985, Bou-Bou Bourassa made election promises that he'd boost the civil service to more accurately reflect the non <i>Québécois pur laine</i> portion of the population. <br /><br />The election took place on December 2, 1985. By December 3, 1985, that promise was long, long forgotten as was his promise to ease the French-only sign legislation. Worse yet, he inflicted Bill 178 upon the minorities almost exactly three years later to the day. Richard French, Herbert Marx and Clifford Lincoln, three of the best in Bou-Bou's cabinet, all voted against the bill and all resigned their political careers en masse. As far as I'm concerned, there hasn't been one goddamn single politician who had the gonads those three did representing predominantly English ridings, and that's coming on 24 years ago! Kathleen Weil, Yolande James, Geoffrey Kelley and a few others couldn't <b>THINK</b> of hold a candle to the three in Bou-Bou's cabinet!Mr. Sauga to Yannicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-86763119311932006322012-06-09T17:15:22.052-04:002012-06-09T17:15:22.052-04:00I've been working for my current employer goin...I've been working for my current employer going on 14 years, in the Greater Toronto Area, and several of those years ago, I met a fellow who lived for a time in Montreal, originally from Ethiopia, and was told at a job interview <i>Québécois pur laine</i> are given preference. <b>CRÉTINS</b> They why do they want immigrants in the first place, to put them in ghettos and pay them welfare? There are enough <i>Québécois pur laine</i> stumblebums they can do that with...and happily, too!<br /><br />I too know a fellow who came to Montreal from Cuba through marriage. He learned English, AND French, prior to his coming. He took a French course for new immigrants, I imagine, to improve his French. Then he took his P. Eng. exam and passed it the second time, and now he has a job as an elevator inspector for the Quebec Government. It IS possible! In Cuba, after government provisions, he had a monthly disposable income of $20! I'm sure he makes MUCH more than that an HOUR now!!!Mr. Sauga to Michel P:noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-7922811340938175562012-06-09T10:58:34.655-04:002012-06-09T10:58:34.655-04:00I watched the video in the section Job Discriminat...I watched the video in the section Job Discrimination.<br /><br />It reminded me of an interesting Nod Dogs or Anglophones comment thread : http://nodogsoranglophones.blogspot.ca/2012/04/french-versus-english-volume-53.html?showComment=1335540008390#c7199598027201813162<br /><br />Some selected pieces :<br />"...we are literally air-lifting illiterate Haitians and North Africans here who's only "skill" is being able to communicate in French (or a variant of)."<br />"Immigration to Quebec is largely based on language first, skill second."<br />Yannick noted that "Dans d'autres fils du blogue, des gens sont allés plus loin en disant que des immigrants indiens ou d'extrême-Orient sont "supérieurs" aux mexicains, haitians, nord-africains, etc..."<br /> <br />My understanding is that some of you have a negative a opinion of immigrants from non-english countries. The new report prepared by the government's Human Rights Agency suggests that franco-quebeckers have the same kind racist bias.<br /><br />Of course, the racist bias of others is no excuse for our own ethnocentric, atavistic, and both congenital and skillfuly crafted by decades of nationalistic propaganda (have I forgot something?) racism. <br /><br />My point is simply that you are offended by our biased attitudes but fail to see your own.<br /> <br />(About immigrants whose only skill is speaking french, I would like to note that the last four immigrants from North Africa that I met were full time working trilingual skillful workers (two IT engineers, one telecommunication specialist, and one programmer).<br /> <br />(Dumont's question is nevertheless interesting : would a Dumont in Japan be called for interview as often as japanese candidates?...)Michel Patricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01355096630819086323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-82732943179079158742012-06-09T10:53:08.658-04:002012-06-09T10:53:08.658-04:00Good point Yann but you are returning that favor t...Good point Yann but you are returning that favor through taxes off your pay.so your clever, you ended up doing 10 years of free ride.but Yann you went and studied and made some thing of your self and returned the ride...<br /><br />what I mean is many spend years studying a program only find that there's no use for it or even better could even sense where all this work would lead them in the first place .first it becomes a waste of tax payers money and students in hawk .to me that's an educated dummy.pressnine401https://www.blogger.com/profile/06901474333675208108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-25120980228350235632012-06-09T09:08:22.824-04:002012-06-09T09:08:22.824-04:00BTW, have you seen Amir Khadir's family photo?...BTW, have you seen Amir Khadir's <a href="http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/blogs-prod-photos/0/2/a/a/6/02aa6cd7dc2fec94f6aaa62554f2991b.jpg?stmp=1339092588" rel="nofollow">family photo</a>?Troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09960771543572680283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-31912218360034443502012-06-09T09:04:25.623-04:002012-06-09T09:04:25.623-04:00Read the comment of a well-known pure laine, a que...Read the comment of a well-known pure laine, a quebecois de souche regarding the student protest. <a href="http://www.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/societe/2012/06/07/004-villeneuve-manifestation-etudiants.shtml" rel="nofollow">In French</a> and <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/sports/motorsports/story/2012/06/07/sp-montreal-grand-prix-jacques-villeneuve-student-protests.html" rel="nofollow">in English</a>.Troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09960771543572680283noreply@blogger.com