Friday, February 17, 2012

CAQ Loses its Shine

When Francois Legault came onto the scene and declared that the sovereignty issue would be set aside in order to afford a government led by his new party the freedom to concentrate on economic issues instead of the life sapping independence debate, people were excited.

This breath of fresh air was immediately appealing to a large majority of Quebecers, federalists who could live with a nationalistic government without the sovereignty option and separatists who were tired of talk of a referendum which in their hearts, they knew could not be won.

The merger between the CAQ and the conservative ADQ augured well for his vision and with the inclusion of an anti-Bill 101 militant, Bill Johnson, Mr. Legault gave evidence that indeed he was organizing a rainbow coalition of diverse elements that would have by its very makeup the force to stay clear of the referendum question, or else explode from within. 

For a while he talked the talk of a radical reformer, but alas, he and his new party has backslid significantly and is more and more becoming just another banal party falling somewhere in between the Liberals and the PQ.
It didn't take long for the politics of expediency to take over and sadly, the CAQ has has sunk quickly into the mire of language and entitlement.

And so we are starting to hear the same old, same old and it's most disheartening.

Sadly, it seems that a potential CAQ government will embrace and promote the same old fantasy that French is under attack and in consequence, attacks on the English language, Ethnics and Anglos will become an entrenched part of the party platform.
"...Mr. Legault emphasized the defense of the French language and is "concerned about the situation in Montreal." "We are within our rights as Quebecers, to worry about preserving our language, our culture and our identity," he said. "Quebec is the only government in America, which represents a majority of francophones. It has a duty to defend the identity of the Quebec nation." According to him, "the Liberal government has failed in its duty to protect our identity, allowing several businesses in Montreal to neglect to serve their clients in French."
Also, the Charest government has allowed  "those who can afford it, to buy a right to go to English schools, in full contradiction with the principles of the Charter of the French language." "For us this right is unacceptable," insisted Mr. Legault.
I get the feeling that these attacks are inspired by the Roman tradition of gladiatorial spectacles, a question of bread and circuses, designed to fulfill and satisfy the deviant blood lust of the masses, in this case, language supremacists.
It remains a dishonest and expedient political device, giving these people what they are perceived to desire, not what is right.

Before the ADQ merged with the CAQ, its then leader Gérard Deltell was unambiguous about English immersion in grade six;
"The ADQ wants all children enrolled in sixth grade to receive half their instruction in French, the other half in English.
This bold proposal emanates from the ADQ leader, Gerard Deltell, who says he is very concerned about the low rate of bilingualism among young Québécois. In an interview with The Canadian Press, Mr. Deltell argued that the intensive teaching of English in primary and secondary school should become a priority.
It is urgent, he argues, to train a generation of Quebecers perfectly bilingual and take the necessary steps to get there, and that, whatever the cost."   
But that position hasn't survived the merger of the ADQ and the CAQ.

Eric Caire is now the education critic for the CAQ.
This once ADQ member supported the intensive English approach while he was an independent member of the National Assembly, but since joining the new party is parroting the new party line;
"The Charest government is wrong in wanting to impose "Wall to Wall" program of intensive English in sixth year, according to the Eric Caire of the CAQ. 
But "to impose a  wall to wall model" as does the government may cause problems in some schools, he believes. Students with learning difficulties could be doomed to failure, especially."   Link{Fr}
So much for integrity....

It seems that the CAQ has adopted an anti-English platform that is as bad as the PQ, minus the referendum.
It is in fact a humiliating disappointment.

While the CAQ has promised a new approach, their proposals now sound like the same wishy-washy drivel emanating from the Liberals and the PQ.

As for new proposals, the CAQ has recently backed off its hardline promises to reform Quebec society and tackle the problems of big government, union avarice and the public demand for entitlements.

A good example is the current issue of revolving strikes in the public daycare program.
While the public would support and embrace a total ban on job action, the CAQ has offered a tepid response, allowing the union to retain its right to strike, but  declaring the sector an essential service, subject to limitations set out by the Conseil des services essentiels, a board that limits how far a union can go when striking in an industry determined as essential.

The board is charged with telling striking municipal workers how much snow to remove, or how much garbage to pick up and how many employees must remain on the job during a strike.

How would this work in the daycare industry?
Would the board allow one worker instead of three, mind the 16 children in a certain CPE or would they allow two out of three daycare centres to close down during a strike? Arrghh!.....

As for solving the current shortage of family doctors, the CAQ has proposed that every family doctor take on another 1,000 patients.
Poof, problem solved!

These ridiculous proposals demonstrate that the CAQ is an immature work in progress, it's party platform nothing more than a lick and a promise.

The party's erratic behavior and unrealistic policy declarations have Quebecers backing off.
And like the proverbially crucial second date, the flaws are fast becoming apparent.

Already, the party has plunged in popularity and now the three parties, the Libs, Pq and CAQ are all tied in the polls, a far cry from a couple of months ago, where the CAQ was far out in front.

Alas for we Anglos, there is nothing there for us.

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Here's something fun for the weekend....

I'm sure you are all familiar with GOOGLE AUTOCOMPLETE.
It is the search device that tries to complete your thought when using the Google search box, sometimes with hilarious results.

Here's one that happened to me, which I swear I didn't Photoshop.

So go ahead, let's see how clever and original you are. Complete the following search items with a one word or a short phrase, English or French...
I look forward to your offerings in the comments section.

JUSTIN TRUDEAU               _________________
JEAN CHAREST                     _________________
STEPHEN HARPER              _________________
PAULINE MAROIS             _________________
FRANCOIS LEGAULT          _________________

French versus English Volume 47

Have a great weekend!
Gary Carter has passed away. RIP..

I was one of those that attended the very first EXPOS game in Jarry Park.
My mom told me she wouldn't lie on an excuse note for my high school and wrote quite honestly that I took off class because I had EXPOS fever.  I received no detention.
I sat on the 1st base line on a bridge chair because the stadium wasn't complete.

I'm not good at sentimental claptrap, but Gary Carter remains a fixture in my Expos memories with the likes of Steve Rogers, Maury Wills, Rusty Staub, Bill Stoneman, Mack Jones, Don Clendenon  and a myriad of other players who were my heroes.

Readers, who was the first player to hit a home run which landed in the swimming pool outside right field?

Most of you are too young to remember Gary, but if you do take a moment in the comments section to offer a kind word.....


  1. JUSTIN TRUDEAU - Completely out of touch with reality. Good thing his name is "TRUDEAU" otherwise he wouldn't even get himself elected to the parents committee at his kids elementary school...
    The fact that this guy was even mentioned as a possible leader for the Liberal party shows how short Canadian politicians are on talent and how desperate Canadians are for a hero.

    JEAN CHAREST - A natural, open minded leader, who knew when to hold them and knew when to fold them.

    STEPHEN HARPER - A natural leader, with a hidden agenda of about 5 million pages. Ultra controlling, and in his private life probably a huge coward...

    PAULINE MAROIS - A 2-faced bitch, who’s taken full advantage of her own peoples naive views for her personnel gain.

    FRANCOIS LEGAULT - A separatist in a suit, thinking outside the box on how to take full advantage of his own peoples naive views for his own personnel gain.

    1. ''JEAN CHAREST - A natural, open minded leader, who knew when to hold them and knew when to fold them.''

      I fond you very polite here....

      You can add how this guy is a talented liar and a wise jerk too...for greater justice.

    2. Hey Jason, you forgot one:

      BILL JOHNSON, a rainbow chaser who just wasted $250 of his life savings on ANOTHER one of Quebec's false doctrines. Those CAQers (read as "kackers", a Yiddish word meaning people who act like farts) just mena Quebec, instead of having Tweedledum and Tweedledee now have Tweedledumb, Tweedledumber and Tweedledumest. You pick which party is which!

      Like Anonymous above, you're analogy of John James Charest is far too diplomatic. Let's face it, J, they're ALL advantagetakers! Trudeau is just riding on the coattails of his father's past "glories" for lack of a better word. All I ever hear about anyway are political leaders and their "legacies", i.e., pet projects to phonily leave their marks in history. Daddy Trudeau's was the "Constitution" a document with holes in it that 747s can fly through, like the notwithstanding clause that Quebec regularly uses to give the Real Canada the bird...over, and over and over again.

    3. @ Sauga

      Well, as for Bill Johnson supporting the CAQ, I, at first, was giving that party some consideration. Originally Francois Legault said he would have a coalition of federalists and sovereigntists who would put away the "national" question for 10 years and concentrate on making Quebec a better place. So, he would concentrate on streamlining the education system and making health care more efficient. That was something I think needs to be done. However, when he started talking about language laws, when he added Rebello from the PQ, when his party came out against education reforms for more English in the French system, and when he didn't support the teaching of different religions and ethics in school, I said, maybe I should think again, lol.
      At one point, even Marlene Jennings, a staunch anglophone federalist was considering the party.

      As for Pierre Trudeau signing a new Constitution in 1980, I know it's not perfect, but it was about time. I mean, having to go to the Queen for any constitutional amendment before then is patently ridiculous for a modern society.

  2. Jason Harpon de Pierrefonds - Petit anglouille de Montréal détestant tout ce qui est dans l'intérêt de la Nation Québécoise.Les pieds en sol Québécois mais la tête dans le ROC et aux É-U.

    1. Nation Québécoise? No such thing, just North Americans who speak French, otherwise undistinguishable from Texans.

    2. Do you understand the meaning of Nation? Hint : It's not synonymous with state.

  3. Difficile de croire que les anglos n'auront d'autres choix que Charest...L'enfer,je ne voudrais pas être un anglo aux prochaines "érections" - Dixit S.Harper

    1. More difficult being a separatist and having to remain Canadian after 2 referendums and with less and less chance of having a separatist country with all the "allophones" that immigrate to Quebec.

      Figures that Harper would talk about "érections." He is a major dick, along with Vic Toews, concerning their law that police can spy on anyone on the internet, without a warrant from a judge.

  4. Well, that sucks. I was hoping I'd have a decent alternative other than Liberal. It reminds me more and more of the american voting system: you don't vote for what you want, but against those you don't want in power.

    Pour le reste de la population non radicale et avec un minimun de sens, tous les choix sont bons en autant que le PQ/BQ n'aient pas des votes.

    1. There is an alternative - Check out the New Conservative Party of Quebec. Never know ?

    2. I guess the only way to teach the racists is still:


  5. Same old, same old when it comes to Kebec. Another party, another anti-English language. pro bill 101 bigot. Decades of the same crap... Take your language, your racist Nazis language policies and get lost bigots. Separate please, the sooner the better.

    1. Tony, that's not particularly kind to the 60% or so of us who vote against separatism and of the important proportion within that contingent who doesn't support banning one language to defend another.

      It's easy to haul rocks at us from your ivory tower across the river. How about a little appreciation for those of us actually trying to make it work?

    2. I guess the only way to teach the racists is still:


  6. At least, the anglo community will not fall in the CAQ trap....

    But sadly, its seem you are gonna be stuck forever to vote for QLP until the end of time. A grim futur indeed.

    So when are you gonna create your own provincial political party folks ?

    1. Nope - there's also the New Conservative Party of Quebec !!!

    2. OH please....we all know that the NCQ is so far one of the worse joke of the year 2012 :P

  7. "...that's not particularly kind to the 60%"

    Un 40% de qualité supérieure est toujours mieux qu'un 60% de médiocres.

    1. Even better:

      Un 60% de qualité supérieure est toujours mieux qu'un 40% de médiocres

    2. BTW Mr OQLF or the backward FLQ Occupier,

      Your so called 40% had a 32% saying they did NOT want to separate sighting the question.

      you know the question, don't you? it sounded like this:

      "Do you agree that Montréal should become a Province of Canada after having made a formal offer to Quebec for an economic and political partnership within the scope of the will defending the future of Montréal and the agreement of July 1, 1996?"


  8. It's unfortunate that apparently only the Editor and I seem to care about the death of Gary Carter. Is baseball that unpopular in Quebec, or is it that people who post here ONLY want to talk about language issues?

    1. The name of this blog is...

    2. ...well, no, it's Mr. Sauga here. I was around everyday of the Expos' existence, and I too was most sorry to learn several months ago about Carter's plight when it was announced his cancer was terminal. He was a big part of the Expos' best years in the late 70s and early 80s. Too, Carter did some commercials speaking French. I don't think he became conversant in French however, but at least he made an effort.

      It was NOT the French speaking crowd that made up the majority of the spectatorship, or if it was, it was still disproportionate compared to the minorities.

      The Expos too, in their sunset years had some controversy when that Francophone consortium owned the team. There was at least one year when the Expos had a home game on Seppie Day, i.e., June 24th. To ensure the Francophone contingent attending the game was not offended, the American national anthem was played right before the opening pitch, but the Canadian anthem was played one hour before game time! Hey...Major League Baseball states the anthem(s) must be played before game time, but the rule doesn't state HOW LONG BEFORE that first pitch it must be played. There probably wasn't a single fan in the stands an hour before the opening pitch so as to "offend" their virgin ears.

      In Quebec, life is hockey, hockey and more hockey. The only «pur laine» I can recall to take to the field in the majors were Claude Raymond and Denis Boucher, both pitchers.

      The only football team to show real spunk in university football is the Laval team. The Als had to move to McGill Stadium because the Big Owe was too big for the fans here and there in isolation that could not create an atmosphere. McGill's smallness at least created a better atmosphere.

      Carter's end is indeed sad and worthy of special mention. The Expos' end was very pathetic as well.

    3. @ Fonzie

      Thank you very much for that story.

      The type of [rhymes with "clap"] you described about not playing the Canadian national anthem on Jean-Baptiste Day does not bode well for the Canadiens. No, the Habs aren't going to be leaving town but I don't see them contending for a Stanley Cup if certain fans are more worried about whether players are speaking English and not speaking French than if the team is any good. In Detroit, fans don't care if players only speak Russian if they play well.

      The Red Wings have won 11 Cups while the Canadiens have won 24. It might not happen in my lifetime, but to me it is not unthinkable that the Wings could catch up to the Habs and surpass them in championships.

      But I may be wrong, and it far more likely that the Habs will win another Cup than the Redskins win another Super Bowl under Dan Snyder's ownership.

    4. Mr. Cunningham,

      For me personally, sorry, it was before my time and since arriving here I have not found any interest in baseball. So the whole buzz about Carter does not do anything for me.

      In a more exciting news, the MLS is coming to Montreal. The Montreal Impact will have its inaugural game on 10 March in Vancouver and the first home opening on 17 March at the Big Owe.

      But of course, this is a piece of information that I suspect means less than nothing for our dear Editor.

    5. Agree with Troy. It must be an age/demographics thing. No disrespect intended whatsoever.

    6. The Montreal Impact will never impress me for they don't have respect enough to sport the 200 year old symbol of our Home And Native land, TheMapleLeaf. They chose to go with the pre revolutionary cross-dressing monarch Louis 14th banner we now call the NationalFlag of
      Le Peuple Conquis!

      Sorry to here of TheKid's passing though...

    7. Well said and thank you!!

      I'm sure this opportunistic young woman will see the hate nationalism has for her and come to Canada in this God forsaken province for the dignity she has been robbed off!

    8. Well, it was sad that Gary Carter passed away, as it is when anyone passes away.

      However, the passing of Gary reminds us of the death of baseball in Montreal and how fun it was at one point.

      Montreal had a good baseball history with Jackie Robinson breaking the colour barrier when he was with the Montreal Royals.

      The Expos started off at Jarry Park and then moved to the Olympics stadium, and they had a solid roster with Gary "The Kid" Carter, Tim "Rock" Raines, Andre "the Hawk" Dawson. They won the division championship in 1981.

      There was aslo Jeff Reardon "The Terminator" who struck out batter after batter to close games.

      I can remember Tim "Eli" Wallach at 3rd. Buck Rodgers as manager.

      After there was Felipe Alou. We had a team of Larry Walker, Marquis Grissom, Delino DeShields, and Pedro Martinez. We were the best team in 1994 but a strike was forced and Claude Brochu had firesale after firesale and killed the Expos.

      Baseball was fun to have in the summer. It's a slower pace than hockey, but that's what you need on a hot summer day. in the summer and hockey in the winter...those were the days.

      Sad to see you go, Gary Carter. And Au revoir, Montreal Expos.

    9. Don't know if anybody will be reading this thread anymore, but since it's the only one that mentioned Gary Carter's passing it seems to be the most appropriate place to note. The Montreal Canadiens honored Gary Carter by having every member of their team wear a jersey with "CARTER" on the back and the number "8".

      The Mets and Nationals may possibly equal the Habs' gesture, but I doubt they will be able to top it.

  9. ''Vous savez, être au Québec, c'est avoir une chance inouïe de vivre sur un morceau de terre qui carbure à la liberté. C'est aussi avoir la chance de rester chez soi mais d'avoir connu tous les pays du monde, parce que le Québec carbure à la diversité. C'est un endroit où il fait bon vivre parce que chaque individu est lui-même, avec ses opinions parfois trop crues, ses croyances parfois trop flagrantes, ses différences parfois trop vives. Être au Québec, c'est revendiquer la liberté individuelle sous toutes ses formes. Être au Québec, c'est rejeter le mot tolérance et adopter le mot respect. Être Québécois, ce n'est jamais par hasard. Dans mon cas, je le suis d'abord et avant tout parce que j'ai choisi de l'être.''

    1. Same old rant, just from a younger and more "recent" ethnic.

      It's rather peculiar that she would wish to identify with elements that are particularly correlated to Quebec's separatist cause and not be judged as an outsider. But I repeat that THIS is at the very heart of Quebec nationalism's malaise. Sooner or later, old-stock French-Canadians will have to swallow the bitter pill of being outnumbered by "ethnics" - whether French-speaking or English-speaking - just as the ethnic WASPs in many parts of English Canada have had to live with it. Part of this also requires that the existing and newly-arrived immigrants to our country - and especially to our province - get wise to the contradictory "Québécois" nationalism that in the same breath accepts them out of necessity but xenophobically rejects them, both openly and subtly.

      The only way an immigrant will ever be "considered" a Quebecer is to simply tell the existing old-stock French-Canadians to shove it, because our province, and indeed our world, are different places today than they were in the 60s, 70s and 80s. Quebec is theirs just as much as it is ours, and they are here to stay just as much as we are.

      There is a lot of hopeful idealism in this Muslim Lebanese girl's rant, and although she seems to want to identify with elements of ethnic French-Canadian nationalism rather than set the tone for the next step in Quebec's cultural maturation, perhaps her key claim is most telling:

      Je me suis toujours considérée québécoise, mais j'ai appris à mes dépens qu'il allait falloir que je rame pour le prouver.

      Dalila, that's where you've got it wrong. The nationalism you're trying so hard to appropriate - whether consciously or unconsciously - has some deep flaws of its own. These are flaws that you will never be able to fix, because they have to do with the existential hangups of a people whose history you will never share, and whose hangups you need not (and ought not) appropriate.

      At some point, you need to quit bending over backwards trying to satisfy people with more proof than you actually owe them. You're here, you're doing your best, and that's enough.

      Now lose the romantic love affair with ethno-nationalist militantism, switch out of UQAM's sociology department and try to major in something useful, and think long and hard about whether that hijab you're clinging to as a necessary part of your identity isn't just a blind and unconscious (if not stubborn) adherence to some ancestral cultural fixture (much as jealous language protectionism is to us) that deep down you could be expressing differently.

    2. "Depuis que je comprends quelque chose aux enjeux sociaux et politiques, Pierre Falardeau a été un de mes plus grands modèles" - Dalila Awada

      Apparatchik, well said but you were way too generous to that girl in your post.

    3. Perhaps, but my point wasn't to make human tabbouleh out of her even though deep down I think she's both misguided and foolish if she believes for one minute that she will ever be truly accepted both in separatist and even wider nationalist circles.

      The fact that she sees hardened separatists as models either speaks to her ideals as an individual, or underscores how superficially she has truly surveyed the landscape.

      It's not because I rejected many elements of Quebec Nationalism a long time ago that she shouldn't have her own opportunity to become disillusioned, disaffected, and ultimately disenfranchised by it. Let her earn a few war wounds her own at the hands of our supposedly ideal, welcoming, and infallible society and chances are she'll sound less nauseatingly self-righteous, narcissistic, and impudent. My only hope is that she learns this deeply personal lesson on her own quixotic time and doesn't drag the sixty or so percent of us who have already seen the sham for what it is down with her -- although it might be to her, it won't be news to us.

      As an example, you know I've got roots in this country going back 50, 150, and 400 years, and it's to be expected that my baggage would be rather different than hers. I'm able to shake my head at my French-Canadian side that continues to boast an excessively romantic and glorified version of itself without ever genuinely confronting its true faults, at my British ancestors who maladroitly administered this country as a colony they haphazardly and halfheartedly acquired (a trait it often seems they've never really shed), and at my immigrant side that alternates between besieged outsider and distrusted mercenary forced into perpetual (and over-achieving, over-compensating) survival mode. At some point I can't be governed by my own frustrations as well as the angst and shortcomings of the peoples who contributed to my DNA, nor by my love and hate of each of their qualities and shortcomings - despite the alienation each of them would occasionally (but quite actively) subject me to.

      There even comes a time when you realize that you can't spend your time being obsessed with conforming to the image society has drawn for you. Only then do you truly come into your own. I realized this around the same time as I finally discarded the notion that nationalism -- be it French-Canadian (or Québécois -- whether exclusive or inclusive), English-Canadian (same side-comment), or other -- was necessary to help me define myself. Accordingly, I came to appreciate that rather than feel insecurity about the criticisms I'd sometimes get from outsiders (self-declared ambassadors who would chastise me for being too little of this or too much of that), there is nothing more rewarding and empowering than having excelled at thoroughly appropriating at least three different languages and cultures.

      Once I did that, I sent their inane ambassadors to hell - in their own languages - and never looked back.

    4. Well said and thank you ApparatchikFeb!!

      I'm sure this opportunistic young woman will see the hate nationalism has for her and come to Canada in this God forsaken province for the dignity she has been robbed off!

  10. Mr. Editor,

    I thought that copied and pasted quotations were no longer allowed, i.e. Anonymous at 11:09 AM?

    1. Stupid sentence too...Get a life !

    2. Pourtant anonyme 5:32 a parfaitement raison.Retournez voir les règlements du blogue.

    3. In fact, it's an shared opinion...

    4. I read the article and thought that it might be of interest to readers.
      Had the commenter just provided a link, with a comment that it was an interesting article, on subject matter that is germane to this blog, I would have left it up for sure and you wouldn't have objected.
      That the poster quoted a piece of the article is not the same as quoting some old piece from Falardeau with the intention of baiting readers.
      This was not the case. Judgement call.

  11. Anonymous of Feb. 16 suggests we check out the new provincial Conservative party. Well, looking at their principles on their web page and their 30 second powerpoint-like youtube video and you're see/read nothing better in terms of individual rights. But, sadly, I suspect those wonderful principles apply ONLY to non-Bill 101 areas and, like the CAQ hold nothing for us anglos.

    1. If you're conservative, you vote Conservative, if you're not, you don't. It's not rocket science: doing otherwise, whatever your calculation is, is always bound to get you hoist by your own petard.

  12. Mais que faire lorsqu'on a perdu ses illusions sur le Canada et la faillite du modèle fédératif fondé sur une monarchie étrangère ? Lorsqu'on se fait dicter des choix dont on ne veut pas (voir ceux des conservateurs ) ? Lorsqu'on recrée la Rhodésie d'antan en forçant les travailleurs québécois à parler anglais pour gagner leur vie chez eux, là où ils représentent la vaste majorité et qu'on pousse l'audace à créer des ghettos anglos où les habitants vivent sans rien connaître du Québec majoritaire ! Terminé le temps où les 9 personnes sur 10 parlent anglais parce qu'un anglophone à été assez lâche pour ne pas faire l'effort d'apprendre la langue du territoire qu'il habite. Et pour éviter de me faire rabattre les oreilles sur le Canada comme territoire englobant. Je vous signale que le Québec possède une juridiction sur un territoire donné qui n'est pas subordonnée à celle du gouvernement fédéral. En somme, le Québec existe sans le Canada mais le Canada tel qu'on le connaît n'existe pas sans le Québec. C'est le régime constitutionnel qui le veut...

    1. Excellent commentaire.Effectivement avec Harper,l'écart séparant le Québec du canada ressemblera bientôt au grand canyon et je n'ose imaginer ce qui adviendrait du canada sans le Québec.

    2. > Mais que faire lorsqu'on a perdu ses illusions sur le Canada et la faillite du modèle fédératif fondé sur une monarchie étrangère ?
      Hypocrite! Voilà que vous décriez le modèle fédératif que vous direz dans le même souffle qu'il nous faut maintenir un état québécois fort et centralisé.

      > Lorsqu'on se fait dicter des choix dont on ne veut pas (voir ceux des conservateurs ) ?
      Vous n'aviez qu'à voter pour les Libéraux plutôt que pour le Bloc. C'est sûr que vous les aimiez moins, mais parfois c'est le prix à payer. Et qui sait, Harper n'aurait pas eu ses gouvernements minoritaires et ça aurait suffi pour qu'il n'obtienne pas sa majorité en 2011. Prenez un autre exemple: nous, on n'aime pas nécessairement les Libéraux provinciaux de façon inconditionnelle, mais on ne veut certainement pas voir les péquistes à l'assemblée nationale. Ça fait qu'on a parfois à voter contre ceux qu'on n'aime pas plutôt que pour ceux qu'on admire.

      > Lorsqu'on recrée la Rhodésie d'antan en forçant les travailleurs québécois à parler anglais pour gagner leur vie chez eux, là où ils représentent la vaste majorité et qu'on pousse l'audace à créer des ghettos anglos où les habitants vivent sans rien connaître du Québec majoritaire
      (Mort de rire) Mais ne voyez-vous pas que c'est autant vous les Rhodésiens qui refusez obstinément de vous intégrer au continent nord-américain tout en demeurant dans votre fief idéalisé et unilingue que ces mêmes anglophones dont vous décriez sempiternellement l'arrogance? Vous êtes autant coupable qu'eux. En fait, lorsqu'on capitule ou quand se fait conquérir, on coopère avec ses nouveaux dirigeants. C'est comme ça que ça marche.

      > Terminé le temps où les 9 personnes sur 10 parlent anglais parce qu'un anglophone à été assez lâche pour ne pas faire l'effort d'apprendre la langue du territoire qu'il habite.
      Votre nationalisme a toujours été, et sera toujours avant tout une manifestation bruyante de votre faiblesse et isolement. Même lorsque bon nombre d'anglophones s'efforcent à vous parler en français, vous vous moquez de leurs accents plutôt que d'encourager un bilinguisme bidirectionnel et enrichissant. Vous récoltez ce que vous semez. Et ce que vous avez semé, c'est votre isolement continu.

    3. Et pour éviter de me faire rabattre les oreilles sur le Canada comme territoire englobant. Je vous signale que le Québec possède une juridiction sur un territoire donné qui n'est pas subordonnée à celle du gouvernement fédéral.
      Tout à fait, mais vous auriez dû dire le "gouvernement du Québec". Ça s'appelle la souveraineté. Alors inutile de faire des référendums à n'en plus finir pour nous vendre ce que nous avons déjà. Allez vous coucher avant de vous blesser davantage.

      > En somme, le Québec existe sans le Canada mais le Canada tel qu'on le connaît n'existe pas sans le Québec.
      Vous me direz ça le jour où le Québec puisse continuer à fonctionner avec zéro en péréquation du fédéral tout en n'augmentant pas mes impôts ni en diminuant les dépenses du gouvernement au niveau provincial.

      >C'est le régime constitutionnel qui le veut...
      Même pas; c'est votre angoisse vous torture. À plus forte raison, c'est la volonté d'un peuple conquis qui n'a jamais su avaler sa propre défaite et qui depuis des lunes fait tout pour rayer de l'histoire les conséquences naturelles d'une défaite coloniale.

      Pensez à ce que préconise votre nationalisme dans sa forme actuelle et à qui profite réellement votre combat. Vos politiciens, curés des temps modernes, ne se servent de vous et de vos peurs que dans le but de se faire élire et ré-élire. Main d'oeuvre captive, traumatisée, et complexée. Voilà ce que vos chers idoles ont fait de vous.

      Quelle ironie, lorsqu'on considère qu'on s'est débarrassé de l'Église, cette institution sacrée (et aussi francophone que tout gouvernement provincial) nous ayant réduit elle aussi à du bétail lors d'une autre époque...

    4. @Apparentchik : Pourquoi est-ce que beaucoup, pour faire avaller aux québecois qu'ils ne devraient pas faire ce qu'ils veulent, en reviennent à la conquête? Seriez-vous d'avis que la conquête enlève l'auto-determination des peuples? On n'a pas eu cette opinion depuis 1918... Depuis cette date, plus aucune conquête n'a été vue comme légitime.

  13. Quebec has been carving that canyon for decades, with Canada frantically building bridges over it. Now that Canada is done putting up bridges, you complain about the gap.

  14. One wonders what the whiners would be howling about if it weren't for Harper's actions. The more you watch them the more it becomes apparent just how badly these people need a crisis and a common enemy to justify their existence.

    Perennial teenagers indeed.

    1. They tirelessly remind us how they are not Canadian, how different (distinct) they are, how Canada is not their country, how they don't care about it, and then they complain that... Harper is distancing Canada from Quebec. Is it that Harper is cutting in on their action? Do they want monopoly over creating the rifts? Is the script supposed to be: Quebec pulls away, Canada goes after it carrying with it a monetary bribe and a public statement designed to stroke the egos bruised 350 years ago? A digression from the script as in Canada pulling away seems to be unacceptable for some reason. And those who are the quickest to push Canada away are also the quickest to complain when Canada returns the favor and reciprocates in kind.

      It's fun and games for some, except that it's had a huge toll on this country. Let's be perfectly honest, those who dabble in this game are morally bankrupt. And so is the culture of this society. Rotten to the core.

    2. Much as I'm not a fan of Harper's I'm glad he's broken with the script and is fucking them over.

      I genuinely wish him luck in permanently crippling their movement in a way no other PM ever could.

      It's one thing to want to see French on a sign - especially but not limited to our province - and get service in French (which I will always fully support). It's another thing to forbid the other official language of this country where the numbers more than warrant it with the cowardly argument that bilingualism is a slippery slope toward unilingualism.

    3. Some Nation.
      They renounce being French and they hate Canada and they loath Harper, who as a Western Separatist, granted them Nationhood.
      Talk about a lost Peuple Conquis...

    4. Désolé de vous apprendre que nous n'avons pas besoin de ce redneck pour définir ce que nous sommes.

    5. @Apparatchik - have you never heard the argument that francophones don't need services in their language because "they know english anyway"? I am trillingual, and fully support billingualism (and multilingualism!) but I can't help but think that the more francophones are billingual, the more anglophones will resent granting them services in their own language.

      It's interesting really - it shows anglophones take their services in english for granted, and think that french services in a country of which a quarter speaks another language is some kind of special priviledge awarded either for pity of the unilinguals, or as a form of patronizing until us francophones can get on with the program and live in english.

      I don't think every, most, or even a large portion of anglophones think like that obviously, but I've seen too many people express that sentiment to think that it's entirely paranoia.