Tuesday, November 23, 2010

The Assassination of Jacques Duchesneau -Mob Mentality Sweeps Quebec

 The Queen had only one way of settling all difficulties, great or small. 'Off with his head!' she said, without even looking around. -Alice in Wonderland

In light of the utter failure of the government, the police, or the justice system in general to deal with lawlessness and corruption sweeping Quebec, it isn't any wonder that citizens are attempting to take matters into their own hands by demanding loudly that miscreants be removed from office.


There is a distinct smell of blood in the water, which started with the mayors of both Terrebonne and Mascouche stepping down temporarily in the face of overwhelming public pressure. In the case of the Mascouche mayor, he was lucky he didn't show up to the next scheduled city council meeting, after the story of his alleged corruption broke, as an angry mob was set to greet him.


A petition demanding Premier Charest's resignation has reached over two hundred thousand signatures in just two weeks and continues to  grow. Although without any legal status, the petition is nonetheless a powerful message that people are not happy.
Last year, the PQ launched a similar Internet petition demanding a construction industry inquiry and was able to raise a scant 60,000 signatures over two months. Not much of an accomplishment considering that there are a 100,000 card carrying members of the PQ.

But things have changed.

The Maclean's magazine article, which called Quebec 'the most corrupt province in Canada' was the match that lit the fire. It was the 'tipping point' that sent the media on a witch hunt with the determination of a bloodhound, a chase that has proved more fruitful than one could have imagined.

And so the front pages of the Journal de Montreal and La Presse have become the new Place de la Révolution, the public square in Paris where over 1,300 French aristocrats and 'anti-revolutionaries' met a very public demise at the hands of a vengeful and bloodthirsty mob, under the blade of the infamous guillotine.

So hungry was the mob for blood, that feeding its appetite for blood led to the arrest and execution of some whose only crime was suspicion and innuendo.

No matter, a mob is a mob and must be fed.
Like the hapless Duke of Orleans who was executed in that 'Reign of Terror' with the flimsiest evidence, his last words remain prescient: "Ah liberty, how hast thou been sported with!"

And so I was deeply saddened to see the picture of Jacques Duchesneau featured amid a rogues gallery on the front page of the Journal de Montreal last week.

Adding his name to the list was a cruel act, unworthy of a reputable newspaper. But of course, it was Le Journal de Montreal, where the truth never gets in the way of a good story.

It is a case of over-reaching on a monumental scale, because Jacques Duchesneau is not a crook.

How do I know? 
Because I worked with him long enough to get a sense of the man. 

Jacques may have many faults, but dishonesty is not one of them. 
His worst fault is his monstrous personal ambition, a mega force that has driven every aspect of his career. 

I knew him from the time he was chief of police of Montreal where I noticed right away that he didn't do much of the  mundane everyday work related to his job, preferring to let highly capable associates carry the ball.

It was his style of management to delegate everything, whilst he looked for a new challenge. Something his employees joked about. Ambition.  

While working as police chief, Jacques had his eye firmly on the next job. He concentrated on making contacts and upping his scholastic achievements by attending those executive types of programs offered by universities to highly placed executives.
When the opportunity presented to run for mayor, he jumped, one of the few mistakes he made in his upward career march.

When asked to support his campaign, I told an organizer that his run was a mistake. Montrealers hate cops. He wasn't going to win. I told him that It would be a setback, which it turned out to be.

Jacques then went on to become head of CATSA (equivalent to the hated TSA in the States) where he immediately set his sites on something bigger. His lack of attention to the job and his globe-trotting habit of attending conference after conference on the agency's dime, finally led to a board of directers revolt and his forced 'resignation.' But in the meantime he had built quite a reputation as a crime fighter that led to the job that Charest had given him last year.

Today, the allegation that has surfaced about his campaign for mayor is being portrayed as a scandal, when in fact, even if  true, is no big deal.

When he lost the election, his party, Nouveau Montréal, was close to $200,000 in debt and instead of going bankrupt they did the honourable thing, took out a loan and paid back the debt over a couple of years.The loan required ten 'co-signers' (because nobody can 'lend' more that $10,000 dollars to a political party) and this is where one of the signatures turned out to be allegedly false. The loan however was paid back in full and the story long forgotten until somebody broke the news of the so-called fake name.  Had the loan defaulted it would have been another story.
The whole incident if true, would be sanctioned by a small fine. No big deal.

For a good analysis read Patrick Lagace's article in La Presse 
An article in LE DEVOIR says that the campaign to hurt Duchesneau is being orchestrated by construction industry types, who want his investigations to stop.

At any rate, the accusation that Jacques was behind the so-called fake signature is patently absurd, he couldn't arrange a car loan himself, he'd most certainly delegate it out. It's what he does

Jacques delegated the running of his campaign to a close friend and confidant Jean-Pierre Allaire, a slick and capable over-achiever with a financial background as an accountant, who was equally on a upwardly mobile career tract.

Ever since their days together, volunteering to run a large Quebec charity, they've become Fric and Frac. 

As campaign manger, it was Allaire that controlled the money. It is likely that it was he who arranged the 'loans' and it is a fact that it was in his office where the signings took place.

When asked about the incident of the so-called 'fake' signatory, Allaire told the press that; "It's in the past. I haven't got anything to say about" Hmmm... Very reassuring!  LINK


Don't look for him to take responsibility, if he did in fact engineer the affair. It isn't in his nature, he's also a notorious career climber.

And so it appears that we are about to sacrifice one of the good guys. It's too bad.

57 comments:

  1. Mississauga Guy to Editor...

    Editor, I don't know if you've endorsed your buddy, JD, or not. "Career climbers" (your choice of terms, not mine) often tend to be narcissists who are in it for themselves first and to hell with if it's for the greater good. It's for THEIR good, and I just look at people of this sort as self-serving social climbers.

    If they can at least make it LOOK as if it's for the greater good, it greases the wheels to hasten that upward climb, but too much grease causes wheels to spin without going anywhere!

    I'm long out of Quebec, so I wouldn't know or at least remember Messrs. Duchesneau and Allaire if they bit me in the ass. Too, I cannot verify with complete certainty the scrupulousness of their intentions that have gotten them in hot water. Sometimes friendships cloud judgment.

    I like to think karma is the ultimate bitch, so if your good buddies have gotten themselves into trouble, it's because the greed of feeding their egos got in the way of their good judgment.

    Tiger Woods very badly wounded his relationship with his family. What the hell was wrong with that drop-dead gorgeous Scandinavian woman he was married to? TW had it all: A gorgeous wife, two good healthy kids, celebrity, wealth and fame.

    He did apologize to all, but while a piece of fine china that is dropped and broken in two can be put back together with strong adhesive, the crack will still be there. His game is not what it was and will take a long time to MAYBE get back to that point. No guarantees.

    TW lost a fortune in product and service endorsements as well, and he'll never enjoy full access to his children as he used to, but it was he who fell into the celebrity trap and picked up that false sense of invulnerability. Same goes for Jacques Duchesneau, but on a much lesser scale than Tiger Woods.

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  2. Mississauga Guy with an afterthought...

    It looks as if MacLean's is not the villain after all, except of course, it's an English language publication from outside Quebec.

    Like a predatory weed, the French media is looking to usurp the good works of the "outsider" and take all the credit. Look at those sons of bitches run!!!

    Two thumbs way, way up for MacLean's!!!

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  3. I know personally JD for the last 15 years ..
    This is a set up, revenge from some frustrated politician and peoples from the dark side ...that accept brown and white envelop.

    If JD will take the stand and tell all the story about the politics and corruption in the Montreal city , there will be a revolution.
    I hope he does it. Canadian and Quebec people deserve a better faith. You remember a Former Quebec Liberal leader Claude Ryan in the Quebec Government , they couldn’t get to him , didn’t drink, gamble, cheat on his wife , he was almost the perfect angel ..In the old day the Quebec provincial police use to spy on there own politician so they have a leverage against them…well this guy was so clean , they never got him … Well JD is very close to that , is integrity have no default . I bet you, he will accept a polygraph test and to testify in front of any tribunal . We are in Quebec tired to be lead by no b…. politician …..

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  4. You7 say "If JD will take the stand and tell all the story about the politics and corruption in
    the Montreal city , there will be a revolution."

    If he know so much, why has this not been tabled already. Tells me that he is part of the corruption, if he is not exposing it.

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  5. Let Quebec clean their own laudry. The Queen did not guillotined nobody, hanging was the sport, for the records.
    As far as corruption, dear anglos angels, nothing is more promiscuous than the scandals of Vaughan, Ontario. As far as adultery is concerned, don't worry. Aren't you forgetting the Parliament of London where the conservative British government was shaken to its foundations by the Profumo Sex Scandal! Hanging will extend only one part of your body you are thinking with ! Before you through a stone, look at your ownself.... tra!

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  6. Ineresting enoug Mississauga and Toronto talk dirty about us. Not everybody is unhappy to be an Anglophone in Quebec ! So why can't you keep your comments in English Canada.

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  7. Oui, je crois que le type de MIssissauga et l'autre de Toronto sont vraiment détestables et sont des francophobes de première classe. L'Éditeur, si vous n'êtes pas un de ceux-là, vous devriez exigez un rappel à l'ordre des droits de l'homme. Un d'eux parlait de "cleansing" et l'autre d'anéantir la race française ! Qui sont ces idiots !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  8. "Let Quebec clean their own laudry."

    There is nothing wrong, however, with others pointing out that the laundry is dirty.

    "As far as corruption, dear anglos angels, nothing is more promiscuous than the scandals of Vaughan, Ontario."

    Vaughan is small fry compared to the corruption at all levels of government (and elsewhere) in Quebec. And they are cleaning up their act in Vaughan, unlike in Quebec. See:
    http://www.thestar.com/new/gta/article/758077--vaughan-works-to-turn-around-reputation-for-scandal

    "As far as adultery is concerned, don't worry. Aren't you forgetting the Parliament of London where the conservative British government was shaken to its foundations by the Profumo Sex Scandal!"

    What the hell does this have to do with Canada? Nothing at all. It's the same as equating political scandals in France with Quebec.

    "Not everybody is unhappy to be an Anglophone in Quebec !"

    No, but hundreds of thousands of Anglophones found the situation so unbearable that they went to the trouble of moving to other provinces.

    "So why can't you keep your comments in English Canada."

    Canadians in the rest of Canada have a right to comment about affairs in Quebec as long as it remains a part of the country and it is dependent on handouts of money from them.

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  9. Like the Nazis you believe in the supremacy of the English race and claimed that the English-speakers represent the most pure nation. Like a lot of Germans during the war, you argue that Canada's survival as a modern nation is required to create your Order — and your empire. But this is not the case. Quebec is a nation, has its own land mass, resources, and expansion of population needed to be able to economically and militarily compete with other powers. You are playing with fire since 400 years. One day it will blow in your face again....don't wake up the dog.. you know your own saying do you ? Let them be happy in their own way, without mudding the whole face of your beautiful Canada hey?

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  10. Yes, I agree with the latter anonymous. It is Quebec who is growing, under the arrogance of the English. They are growing, they live and learn, they will clean up their own government. Like the Irish, or the Basques, they are oppressed. The English Canadians are not used to that, they wouldn't survive a week if they would be in Quebec's shoes.

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  11. To Anonymous at 2:18 PM:

    First you say: "Like the Nazis you believe in the supremacy of the English race and claimed that the English-speakers represent the most pure nation."

    Then you say: "Quebec is a nation..."

    It is not the English, but the Quebecois who are constantly referring to the purity of their race (pur laine) and their 'distinct' nation. The Quebecois are the ones who are behaving a great deal more like the Nazis, with their oppressive and draconian language laws. These laws (Bill 101, etc.) would have definitely impressed the leadership of Nazi Germany.

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  12. What divides people in a country is not necessarily languages, but skin colour, religion, culture. There is no point to be negative in Canada: the North and South scandal above America. If English Canada is presumpteous and feels the have to call the shots over a nation within a country, they are the ones who are divided and happy within their sin. May God protect Quebec.

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  13. "It is Quebec who is growing, under the arrogance of the English...Like the Irish, or the Basques, they are oppressed."

    How are the Quebecois oppressed? Please provide some examples. And deal in the present. Don't fixate on events of 100 or 250 years ago.

    The Quebecois are not oppressed at all. In fact, the French language is being promoted across Canada by means of the Official Languages Act. At the same time, the English language is being eliminated in Quebec by racist laws such as Bill 101.

    The Quebecois have full democratic representation at the federal level and most of the Prime Ministers of Canada for the past 40 years have been from their province.

    Francophones also make up a much larger proportion of the federal civil service than their percentage of the population. There are hardly any Anglos in the Quebec civil service.

    It is the Quebecois who are the oppressors these days.

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  14. WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON THIS SITE MY FRIEND ? Are you a mediator, a peacemaker, or an adjucator for the French-English canadian people in 2011, are you ? If so prouve it.

    Now, YOUR FIXATION OF being yourself 'the PUREST NATION' isn't it not suprematic and oppressive ? if not, what is it ? not democratic certainly.

    Do you mean you are oblivious on how Quebeckers are oppressed everyday in Canada ? your mind is in a thimble ! GROW UP! I am not discussing statistics here but philosophy and application in a social context, an utopia for French Quebeckers in a hostile country such as Canada. If you want to discuss statistics, I happen to know that the psychological care and treatment of francophones outside Quebec has augmented terribly; why ? because of the abuse the endure outside their own turf. Verify on stats if you happen to know how.
    Allow me to say that the Quebecois are proud to be French in Quebec and as a Nation, yes not as the PUREST ONE as you deformed from your poor racist reading, but as a Nation they are courageous and proud, and I admire them. Your mirror is projecting your lovely image as the best one, Mr. English. The narcis flower which a long time ago you are looking at, a mirror of the past is encrypted in your rage.

    Glad others are starting to notice it. My advise to you is to keep your distance from them, we don't need your snowballs.

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  15. Yes, all of us today are affected in some way by the French-Canadians struggle for suvival, pas or present. This struggles, as you have seen, was begun by a handful of Frenchmen, determined to adapt themselves to life in Canada. These men succeeded, and because of this, the colony of New France developed and grew so strong that even after its military defeat, its people were still able to enjoy the culture to which they had grown accustomed. As citizens of Canada today, a lot of us are able to share this rich culture, which has survived from the days of New France. (Exceptions are here bashing constantly on this site, ignoring their history, claiming it is their hobby !!!!).

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  16. "If you want to discuss statistics, I happen to know that the psychological care and treatment of francophones outside Quebec has augmented terribly"

    Your disarticulate and disordered method of writing suggests that you are receiving some of this psychological care yourself.

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  17. It is important to all to protect your mother tongue and Motherland with all your energy. Make yourselves fit for this, by making the best use of the opportunities.

    It is important to progress as much as
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    Protection of minorities is one of the processes by which individual rights become subject to international law, without a problem internal to lose their legal significance. Minority rights, despite its long evolution, and remain unresolved to this day-to-end issue, both internationally and at home. – the right to learn and use the mother tongue. Historically, it starts with Versailles system minority patronage, developed after World War I in the system of the League of Nations. The system of contracts concluded between the Allies and the newly created states provide additional specific rights of minorities in respective countries. Having the right to use their mother tongue, religion, customs, educational institutions and other rights, which generally define as positive discrimination, to provide something more.This had its historical justification, then, because minorities have been traditionally adversely and this system is designed to introduce compensation mechanisms.Fulfillment of these obligations by the States was placed under the guarantee of the League of Nations.
    After World War II, however, comes a change in approach towards minorities – United Nations adopted the principle of non-discrimination, i.e., neither more nor less rights. This is also enshrined in the Charter of the Organization in the ICCPR (Article 47) and few other instruments adopted on the matter.
    Regional – European context for the protection of minority rights
    The problem with minorities is treated differently in European instruments predominant trend to provide additional specific rights of minorities. Council of Europe is very sensitive to the issue.ECHR did not treat the issue, it also stands for the principle of non-discrimination. But the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages and the Framework Convention on National Minorities require states to provide additional specific rights of linguistic, religious and ethnic minorities, including in the public sphere. That meant news of the languages, administrative procedures, public notices. These requirements are very strong and many of the countries (including Bulgaria) did not ratify the instrument or to ratify them interpreted declarations to shrink their scope and importance.
    Protection of minority rights on a bilateral basis
    This is historically most exploited method, which is implemented through the so-called expatriation agreements concluded after the war, shifting of borders, exchange of populations.That means now is outlast, by using the universal and regional system.Canada has minorities, and they will not go away, as some of you claim on this site. You will not reinvent the wheel. Try to live in peace and understand others.

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  18. Basher is TOUCHÉ, he can no longer argue. Very good anonymous, your point is well done.

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  19. Ceci est un exemple terrifiant de ce que la pensée anglaise avec la pensée française. Il s'agit d'un terrible affront, encore-là toujours par le Basheur anglais. Ils sont vraiment des barbares ces gens-là. Eh bien qu'ils aillent au diable !

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  20. Mr. Editor, I believe Basher shouldn't be able to continuously disrecpect other opinions by invoking mental illness. This is unusual. We will ask him to apologize.

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  21. So, he can't follow your mind, is he from Newfoundland? the big dog I mean...

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  22. Anon 9:18PM: "Mr. Editor, I believe Basher shouldn't be able to continuously disrecpect other opinions by invoking mental illness. This is unusual. We will ask him to apologize. "

    It seems to me that Anglo Bashers at 8:39PM was responding to someone (possibly the Anon 9:18PM hypocrite himself) who invoked the "psychological care" insult before that.

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  23. Harassment is a form of mental torture; if everyone is acting up the way adski and the others on this site,I believe people should petition you out of this site.

    If you have intelligent arguments to present, this is different. Your identity is protected, and you are using this shield to offer despicable, ugly, vile, slimy, unworthy, worthless, wretched and evil images and defacing people, free of charge from Toronto. You should pay a fine, as money is the only contribution in the world you understand.... Definitely we see through a very legitimate way of expressing ourselves a few more vilains in Canada and you ignore it... What a way to go !

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  24. I think the Editor is playing a lot of personnages here. I don't think he is sharing his computer with others. Mr. Editor, stop your nagging people with your mental illness stuff. There is a limit to what you can accuse people of. We will make sure that you do govern yourself accordingly.

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  25. "Basher is TOUCHÉ, he can no longer argue. Very good anonymous, your point is well done."

    It is very difficult to have a logical debate with someone posting unintelligible, incoherent gibberish. Another example of this is the comment at 8:54 PM last night.

    "This is unusual. We will ask him to apologize."

    The Quebecois should apologize for their fascist language laws that violate the federal Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

    "Harassment is a form of mental torture"

    Then you should demand that the Office quebecoise de la langue francais stop harassing Anglophones and Allophones in Quebec.

    "You should pay a fine, as money is the only contribution in the world you understand"

    Sorry. The Oqlf can't fine us for exercising our freedom of expression (in English) on this website...at least not yet.

    "I think the Editor is playing a lot of personnages here. I don't think he is sharing his computer with others. Mr. Editor, stop your nagging people with your mental illness stuff."

    Don't be so paranoid!

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  26. dear little English bastards:

    Part of Canada didn’t join by choice in 1867.

    Through the 17th century as well as the first half of the 18th century, what is now known as Quebec was a part of the growing French colonial empire. Globally, only the British rivaled the French. The rivalry between the two was the superpower relations of the 18th century. In the 1750’s, war broke out between the two. This war, known as the Seven Years’ War, was one of global proportions. There was fighting in Asia, on the European continent, on the seas, and on the North American continent. The North American portion of the war is often referred to at the French and Indian War, and the British were intolerant to the French for a long time.

    British rule was a roller coaster of tolerance and repression. Quebec has significant differences from the rest of Anglo-North America. The two primary differences are the Roman Catholic faith of the vast majority of the residents as well as the French language and culture of the people.
    Con't...

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  27. ...2
    IN the West,the killing of the patriots fuel a rebellion of the nationalism in Quebec, where French are the majority. When the rebel leader was hung in 1885, outrage grew in areas with large French-speaking populations.

    Canada joined in World War I in 1914. There was a significant difference of opinion between the Quebecois and the Anglo-Canadians. Anglo-Canadians were eager to go to war in support of England.The Blacks of Canada did not want to join, they were treated miserably and refused to be on the camp of the QUeen.

    The discord repeated itself during the Second World War. Canada joined the war in 1939. By 1942, there was a conscription crisis in Canada, basically for the same reasons that there were in the First World War. The people of Quebec basically felt that their concerns that this was a war not in Canada’s interest or in the interest of the Quebec people were being completely ignored.

    cont/...

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  28. ...3
    By the time the 1960s arrived, French culture and language was under assault in Quebec. Many people of French heritage in Quebec couldn’t speak the language, the Roman Catholic Church was under assault, as were the French institutions such as education and law that were fundamentally different from those of their Anglo counterparts. Must as the United States had its own cultural revolution in the 1960s, Quebec did as well. In Quebec, there was a revival of the French language and French culture. This led to the founding of the separatist Parti Quebecois by Rene Levesque. Two years later, militants create a crisis in Quebec during which civil liberties were suspended in Quebec. A bombing campaign, the kidnapping of a British diplomat, and other events led to this. This was really the high point of anti-Unionist violence in Quebec.

    Following the turbulent early seventies, the movement toward Quebec independence grew more peaceful. In 1980, there was a referendum for Quebec independence. Though it failed by a 3-2 margin, it showed that there was in fact significant support for an independent Quebec state (nearly half of the French-speaking Quebecois voted in favor of independence). At this point, the rest of Canada realized that succession was a real possibility. Proposals were initiated that would amend Canada’s 1982 Constitution that would recognize Quebec as a distinct society within Canada. In 1987, this Meech Lake Accord was drafted. However, in 1990, this Meech Lake Accord failed to gain ratification. It was at this point that many Quebec nationalists vowed that Quebec would in fact gain its independence.

    In 1994, Jacques Parizeau won the premiership (governorship) of Quebec on a platform of promising a referendum on Quebec independence. This vote occurred in 1995. In the weeks leading up to the referendum, polls were indicating that the people of Quebec would in fact vote for independence. At that point, government owned agencies (including Air Canada) offered pro-Unionists incentives to go and vote for continued union with Canada. Our homeland would finally be free, but alas the Unionists plotted to keep Quebec firmly under the yoke of Canada. But "we" are working on it.... Quebec will have its opportunity again.

    Quebec is indeed a nation. The people of Quebec speak a different language, practice a different religious faith, have different legal and educational institutions, and have a different culture than the rest of Canada. This certainly is enough to define Quebec as a nation. As a forced member of Canada, it can also be classified as a captive-nation. This is much the same status that was granted the nations captured by the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Until Quebec achieves its independence from Canada, it will continue to be a captive nation and will be an abomination to the North American continent until it finally is able to claim its independence and join the global family of free and independent nations.

    VIVE LE QUEBEC LIBRE!!!

    I'm quite confident Canada will survive as a country and I feel Montreal is one of the brightest jewels in its crown, to use a corny old metaphor you will understand, you little bastards.

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  29. Quebec is indeed a nation. The people of Quebec speak a different language, practice a different religious faith, have different legal and educational institutions, a different culture than the rest of Canada. (This has nothing to do with treating us of mentally ill !) This certainly is enough to define Quebec as a nation. As a forced member of Canada, it can also be classified as a captive-nation. This is much the same status that was granted the nations captured by the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Until Quebec achieves its independence from Canada, it will continue to be a captive nation and will be an abomination to the North American continent until it finally is able to claim its independence and join the global family of free and independent nations. Rest assured that a a significant portion of the French speaking majority doesn’t feel a part of Canada and would just as soon not be a part of a confederation it didn’t join by choice in 1867.



    VIVE LE QUEBEC LIBRE!!!

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  30. “As a forced member of Canada, it can also be classified as a captive-nation.”

    Quebec is part of a federation where all that is required to secede is a majority obtained for a clear and concise question. And you don’t seem to be able pull that off for over 50 years now. What does that mean? Maybe it means that Quebeckers don’t really want a country as much as you seem to want it.

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    “The people of Quebec speak a different language, practice a different religious faith, have different legal and educational institutions, a different culture than the rest of Canada. (This has nothing to do with treating us of mentally ill !) This certainly is enough to define Quebec as a nation.”

    -Speak a different language – Yes

    -Practice a different religion – No .The current religion of Quebec is secular consumerism and greed, as is in the US, the RoC, and the rest of the Western world. Thrown in the mix is some sort of quasi-religious attachment to language and culture, but we can no longer speak of Catholic vs. Protestant, as both religions have been pushed aside in recent decades.

    -have different legal institutions – yes

    -have different educational institutions – yes and no. Educational institution is so broad of a subject that it can’t be answered as a simple yes/no

    -different culture than the RoC – historically – yes, presently – yes and no. American pop culture is really pervasive these days, and the cultural divisions of the past give way to one common mass culture. Quebec has its home based artists, but the minute a bigger even is organized, American bands are immediately invited and they draw crowds that local artists could only DREAM of.

    -is all this enough to define Quebec as a nation? – who cares. If you want to consider yourself a nation, that’s fine with me. But remember that you’re a rather insignificant nation of 6 million speakers of a language that noone else in NA understands, scattered along St-Lawrence in a cold, snowy, and insignificant corner of NA. Being part of Canada is what actually puts you on the map. Without Canada, you exist to noone but yourselves.

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  31. Your splitted opinions are sophisms. I hate to quote you. You don't understand anything at all: education, belief, practice, evolution (incl. sexual repression), myth, or freedom of other societies. You cannot be part of a serious conversation, on account of your confusion with ideologies.
    WE have constantly to explain to you basic facts of our history.

    Read more about the history of Quebec and choose a decent author (who is not antagonistic for a change but who will report with neutrality facts) you will learn about Quebecker's faith and their problems. But fundamentally they are of catholic faith and this is important, because it is also a linguistic historical argument to their being. If your intellectual curiosity is satisfied from reading exclusively newspapers you cannot have a mature opinion. I don't believe everything I read in them.

    Au revoir my time is too precious to spend it with you !

    PS Quebec shouldn't speak English at all, all the better not to being mixed up with people like you filled with vituperations. And what does the incoherence of the snow has to do with a serious opinion ?

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  32. "remember that you’re a rather insignificant nation of 6 million speakers of a language that noone else in NA understands".

    NA = Narcotic Associations ? Is this what you belong to ?
    Quebec to Canada is the same as the Basque to Spain, Aosti to Italy, French in Belgium. Please read more...... yay, yay.. Quebec is 9 times the size of France.
    Well, you are saying "who cares" ? WE CARE, YOU DONT !! We know that. Just thank me for my English efforts, I cannot thank you for your efforts in French hey ? Your disdain implies you discrimation. You are a catalyst of bad influence to denigration, and racism. You don't accept, then you start to understand others, and then you spit on them... really who needs English Canada as a "partner" ?????

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  33. "you exist to noone but yourselves"

    I'd rather exist for myself and with the other French communities in the world, than to be a victim of the sales Anglais you are. At least, you understand we have to be apart !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    If you don't like my snow, stay in your cruel world of cold war to others and to humanity.

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  34. We exist without pain without Canada ! You are too painful to us who are always treating us like slave runners ! Look at all the abusive language on this site. Who wants to live that kind of relationship with a spouse !

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  35. "Quebec is 9 times the size of France."

    Not in terms of population, which is 5 times greater in France than in Quebec. It's very nice to look at the map and see the size of Quebec, but if you impose a graphic of the actual human population over the map of Quebec, you will realize that Quebec is nothing but the multi-lingual Montreal plus no more than a measly 3.5 million French-unilinguals scattered up the St Lawrence river, capable of speaking ONLY a cryptic language that to most inhabitants of North America is nothing but unintelligible gibberish. What this implies is that your "nation" is more of an ideological construct than a viable and self-sustaining construct capable of functioning and prospering without dependence on others. And it also shows that your nationalistic pride (or insecurity - one is often a cover for the other) overrides the most basic common sense.

    Also, in terms of geo-political reality, France is surrounded by SEVERAL countries of relatively equal size and roughly equal populations, whereas you exist in the context of ONE language that looms over you like a scarecrow.

    "I'd rather exist for myself and with the other French communities in the world"

    Nothing easier. Ask a clear question, obtain a clear majority, and then you can have a country. How economically viable it will be, how much legitimacy it will receive, and how unified and cohesive it will be (given the complete rejection of the idea of Quebec as a state by roughly half of its population) remains to be seen.

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  36. Mr. Editor:
    The opinions of Adski are terribly illfounded. The fundamental knowledge French scholastics and systems are lacking, because he compares them to his only. His virtual knowledge is not sufficient! So we don't need to EXPLAIN NOR display knowledge FURTHERMORE, as we are not in the appropriate arena to discuss it.

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  37. ...granted that "Mr. Editor" continues to let me post, in clear violation of the 3:14PM request...

    "Just thank me for my English efforts, I cannot thank you for your efforts in French hey ?"

    You're on an English forum, in case you haven't noticed. And this is not a flea market. We're not negotiating here as to which language is to be used and there is no reciprocity. The fact that you write a few posts in English does not determine that I will write a few posts in French. Also, just because we are within the jurisdiction of Quebec does NOT necessitate the use of French. It is really unfortunate that you, "empowered" with your lois lingusitiques, can even think such a thing.

    "Your disdain implies you discrimation. You are a catalyst of bad influence to denigration, and racism."

    Excusez-moi monsieur, but I did not pass, nor do I support unlike you, laws that amongst other things banned languages other than French completely from public space (1977-1993), or which enable govt bureaucrats from harassing small businesses.

    "I'd rather exist for myself and with the other French communities in the world,"

    Once again, nothing easier. Pose a clear and concise question to the population of Quebec, and go from there.

    "Who wants to live that kind of relationship with a spouse ! "

    You don't have much of a choice, given the demography of North America. Even in an independent Quebec, you'd be heavily dependent on English. Don’t blame me, blame historical events, and the King of France for bungling up the Colonial War in North America.

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  38. Vous êtes un rat d'égoût. Vous envisagez la destruction du français, c'est une maladie chez vous, de par vos autres sites Adski. La francophonie n'est pas un marché aux puces !

    If you are against our language laws, it's because of people like you. You are the ones we have to push aside,(and at home, chez-nous) because you are too pushy. You have a God complex my boy and want to dominate the world. But remember one thing, even Rome was defeated.
    If relationship with other people depends on demography or numbers you will have to speak Chineese soon ! you will see how difficult it is!
    We, on the contrary, have our laws to protect ourselves and our culture, we always spoke your average English language, the way you speak it.... with the difference taht SOON we will BE INDEPENDENT DESPITE THE ACTUAL STATS. Re and reread the history I reported to you on the above and think instead of kicking asses like you do.

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  39. Definitely you don't know your history especially when you write :you'd be heavily dependent on English. WE DON'T NEED YOU, THE ACCORD HAS FORCED US TO BELONG TO THE ENGLISH NATION. SINCE 400 YEARS WE ARE TELLING YOU THE SAME F.. THING.

    "Don’t blame me, blame historical events, and the King of France for bungling up the Colonial War in North America." WHOW CAN YOU FEEL LIKE A WHITE GOOSE IF YOU BLAIM THE KING OF FRANCE. BACK THEN, YOU ARE REFERRING TO 400 YEARS AGO, THEIR COFFRES WERE EMPTY, AS THEY WERE DEALING WITH A COMPLEX WAR IN EUROPE, BACK THEN IT WAS A LOT OF INVESTMENT TO COME HERE. NOW IT WOULD BE SO DIFFERENT... BUT NEVERTHELESS, FRANCOIS 1ER AND LOUIS THE XIV DID A LOT. NOW I HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TO EXPLAIN YOUR HISTORY MY BOY, TIME TO STUDY, I HAVE TO GO ON TO MORE IMPORTANT THINGS IN LIFE THAN TEACHING YOU ALL THE TIME.

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  40. Il est bizarre de constater que les Québécois aiment les endroits de villégiature comme l'état de la Floride, ou Ogunquit dans l'état du Maine. Or il ne s'agit pas de la langue anglaise, mais plutôt par l'attitude négative de l'Anglophonie canadienne (ou du moins par ceux qui pensent comme Adski ! ).
    Ce que Adski ne comprend pas c'est qu'il y n'est pas nécessairement raciste que de protéger un peuple ni une langue. Le racisme provient d'avoir une attitude qui se prétend suprérieure, or elles sont différentes, par surcroît antagonistes. QUelle misère pour ce jeune homme de ne rien comprendre. Enfin, il se sent tellement près de Dieu avec son ordinateur, il ne faut pas le plaindre....

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  41. "You are the ones we have to push aside,(and at home, chez-nous) because you are too pushy"

    I am too pushy? Am I trying to tell you what language to work, communicate, or do business in?

    You know what's pushy, condescending, arrogant, patronizing, egotistic, ignorant and insolent? This line from the Preamble of Bill 101:

    "[The National Assembly] is resolved therefore to make of French the language of Government and the Law, as well as the normal and everyday language of work, instruction, communication, commerce and business;"

    I stress: "the normal and everyday language of work, instruction, communication, commerce and business"

    ----

    “Definitely you don't know your history especially when you write :you'd be heavily dependent on English”

    Note this fallacy: he accuses me of not knowing history, but he picks on what I project to happen in the FUTURE.

    As for history, I haven’t had a single of my historical assertions challenged on merit, except for the general and abstract: “you don’t know history” statements.

    ----

    “YOU ARE REFERRING TO 400 YEARS AGO”

    Coming from someone whose entire political credo is based on events that transpired in the distant past.

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  42. “Adski ne comprend pas c'est qu'il y n'est pas nécessairement raciste que de protéger un peuple ni une langue”

    “Protecting a language” is a nice euphemism here, and in the words of Orwell: “whenever you hear someone employing a euphemism, that someone is lying”.

    First of all, there is no proof whatsoever that measures that clearly demean Quebec minorities (like the sign law) do help protect the French language. Second, the ends do not always justify the means. If you tell me “help me save a whale”, I’ll agree enthusiastically. But then, if you tell me that according to you, saving a whale involves killing 100 seals, because you claim that they deplete the whale’s food supply for example, I will flinch and demand a proof that there is even a correlation between the two phenomena. And even in the end you will prove to me, conclusively and beyond any doubt, that seals do in fact pose a problem, I will still consider killing 100 of them morally questionable, and will then have to evaluate whether one whale is worth 100 seals.

    This is the kind of moral dilemma that is completely absent in Quebec’s discourse. French is the transcendent good here, and if other things are shoved aside to “aid” the French, then it’s all good, because French is all that counts.

    But to many people, French is not all that counts. And I certainly disagree with a lot of measures employed to “protect” it, and I do not believe that half these measures even contribute to protecting it.

    And it is painfully obvious that despite all that the proponents of the status quo claim, the measures of Bill 101 are not protecting French from disappearing; they are protecting the POWER of French speakers over others. And that’s a big distinction.

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  43. Si le britannique George Orwell est votre idole, vous ne le comparez pas bien avec la situation des Québécois. Si vous connaissiez bien Orwell, Orwell défendait une position antiguerre et critique sur l'antifascisme des fronts populaires : cette guerre ne serait, selon lui, qu'à renforcer les impérialismes européens; qui avaient beau jeu de se présenter, face à la menace fasciste, comme des démocraties, alors qu'ils exploitaient sans vergogne (gêne) « six cents millions d'êtres humains privés de tous droits ».

    Quelques mois plus tard, il changeait radicalement de position (turncoat)sur le sujet : alors que le Parti communiste (qui appelait auparavant à la lutte contre les dictatures fascistes) se découvre pacifiste à la suite du Pacte germano-soviétique, Orwell découvre que, dans le fond, il a toujours été un patriote !!!!

    Il s'éloigna de l'ILP, qui persistait dans le pacifisme pour s'opposer à l'engagement dans le conflit.
    ----Or, ce n'est pas le cas du Québec, car comme je l'ai mentionné en anglais déjà, des conflits provenant de votre camp, dominait les syndicats. Mais, ceci n'est pas votre affaire, c'est la leur, ils sont habitués aux guerres froides et aux conflits intestinaux. J'ai confiance en la Nation du Québec. Voilà! Les problèmes du Canada anglais sont à la veille de craquer bientôt à cause de l'immigration qui entre à pleine porte vers Toronto depuis trop longtemps.

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  44. Vous contester le mot contester, mais il fait partie de votre Hymne National Canadien:
    Tout ce dont j'ai parlé est bien écrit en beau français dans votre hymne national.
    -----------------------------------------------

    O Canada!

    Terre de nos aïeux,
    Ton front est ceint de fleurons glorieux!

    Car ton bras sait porter l'épée,
    Il sait porter la croix!

    Ton histoire est une épopée
    Des plus brillants exploits.

    Et ta valeur, de foi trempée,
    PROTÉGERA nos foyers et nos droits.

    Protégera nos foyers et nos droits.

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  45. Vous semblez croire que tuer des gens pour leurs idées ne soient pas un acte criminels. Vous êtes d'une grave impertinence: les êtres humains ne sont pas comparables à des phoques.
    Or, vous admettez que tuer et imposer la torture aux patriotes n'est pas votre affaire.
    Vous impliquez toutes les tortures morales, le rejet de l'emploi, la prise de position des Anglophones qui sont venus du R.-U. sont en effet des choses utiles pour votre force à dominer les Français venant de la France (évidemment). Votre position est celle d'un criminel, un assassin, un boucher, un bourreau, un brigand, un incendiaire, un massacreur, un meurtrier et un scélérat. Depuis fort longtemps le peuple du Québec a souffert grandement par vos faits et gestes, et ils ne sont pas ni des "phoques" ni des "malades mentaux". Votre langage est hideux et maladif en tant que Canadien Anglais.
    Le terrorisme n'est pas une façon de traiter avec les "Canadiens Français" de votre pays. Vous adoptez une position qui est meurtrière et inconcevable.

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  46. Anon 12:41PM

    Apart from the last paragraph of your post where you tell me what is “mon affaire” and what isn’t (even though it’s not your place to do this, and as a tax-paying resident of Quebec I find anything that happens in Quebec to be as much “mon affaire” as it is yours)...your comments about Orwell bring us to something that is the essence of this “debate” – namely preemption.

    Orwell was against preemption and interventionism, but reversed himself on the issue with the rise of the Nazi regime.

    However, preemption is a VERY tricky thing, and some factors are important to consider. A few factors that stand out right away are:

    1. How real is the danger in question – is it something authentic, or is it invented by politicians and their skillful cynical lackeys (JF Lisee comes to mind) to further a political cause (read: a push to power and/or economic gain)?

    2. How serious is the danger – is it about physical violence, possible terrorist attack, nuclear strike, or something lesser, like a disappearance of a language through deliberate abandonment

    3. Do the means employed in combating the danger justify the ends?

    In Orwell’s case, he began advocating interventionism against a Nazi state after it annexed Austria, Czechoslovakia, and was ready to invade Poland. The danger was very real, and the consequences of inaction could have been predicted to be very severe for the whole of Europe and even humanity as a whole.

    Compare that with Bush’s and Blair’s invasion of Iraq in 2003, where unlike in Orwell’s case, the preemption was unjustified. We were told that a country weakened by a decade of international sanctions (where children were dying en masse from the lack of food and basic medicine) was a “threat” to a geographically distant world superpower. We were told about the non-existent WMDs, non-existent Iraq-Al Kaida connections, about the “liberation” of the Iraqi people (that we killed in thousands in the process) from a tyrant that the US had supported for decades, and about a lot of other crap, but the real issue was of course the natural resource which both the US and the UK coveted.

    In the case of Quebec, both the seriousness of the “threat” and the authenticity of it are very questionable. So I do not support the soft-cleansing of Quebec through things like Bill 101 for the sole purpose of “saving” the French language and culture in North America. The cause is not worth it, the danger seems to be largely blown out of proportion for political reasons, and the means to achieve this dubious end are unjustifiably harsh.

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  47. Le monde des Francophones n'est pas le vôtre: ce n'est pas votre affaire. J'ai raison et vous avez tord. Vous êtes un Anglophone révolté. Or, vous êtes un anti-francophone et vous êtes OBLIGÉ d'accepter que vous n'êtes qu'une simple minorité.

    Je suis heureuse que les lois protègent notre langue maternelle, et ce sont des gens comme vous qui finissez par agir dans une salle de classe avec une arme à feu. Prenez mon conseil mon gars: sortez du Québec et laissez les autres vivre avec leur monde à eux en paix. Vous n'y changerez RIEN, ABSOLUMENT RIEN.

    VIVE LE BEAU QUEBEC LIBRE !

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  48. The only people who can really save a language are the people who speak the language. A community, people or a nation "essentially owns that language", as an INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY. They can save the language; AND QUEBEC IS TAKING ACTION. They can make a strategic decision that they're not going to give it up". It is not against others, it is to preserve their patrimoine and themselves.

    Il est intéressant d'ailleurs de constater que la moitié des 6 700 langues parlées aujourd’hui sont en danger de disparition, d’ici la fin du siècle. C’est un processus qui peut être freiné seulement si des actions urgentes sont prises par les gouvernements et les communautés de locuteurs. Le programme des langues en danger de l’UNESCO mobilise la coopération internationale pour attirer l’attention sur cette situation alarmante et pour promouvoir les solutions innovantes développées par des communautés, experts et autorités.
    Ceci est leur affaire à eux, pas la vôtre !

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  49. Qu'Adski paie ses taxes au Québec et qu'il se cloue donc le bec !Il n'a pas cessé de traiter les Québécois de tous les noms et en même temps ils profitent de la belle vie du Québec ! On mange tellement mieux au Québec qu'à Toronto !!!
    Il est tellement plus facile de se déplacer à Montréal, on se régale en plus des fêtes de quartiers. Quelle belle vie que celle d'habiter le Québec. Naturellement si on ne parle pas la langue officielle du Québec, on s'abstient et on vie en touriste.... voilà ! lorsqu'on est valet, on est pas roi !

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  50. As a forced member of Canada, it can also be classified as a captive-nation.
    Of course they are a captive-nation, not a Quebecois will dispute that. Only the silly anglos, the dogs with teeth who are barking and trying to get a piece of them. THe politicians of the time like a lot from today decide the opposite of what people want. Many thesis were written on the subject. If this guy is reading the follow-up of the history which is well written in English, he will understand, unfortunately is a dodo with one idea in his mind only....

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  51. "They can save the language; AND QUEBEC IS TAKING ACTION. It is not against others, it is to preserve their patrimoine and themselves."

    It is one thing to protect or promote French (actually Joual slang), and quite another to restrict or ban other languages, which Quebec has done. Quebec has lost its soul and has effectively become a fascist police state.

    "...vous êtes OBLIGÉ d'accepter que vous n'êtes qu'une simple minorité."

    And you should keep in mind that Francophones are a minority within both Canada and North America.

    "Quelle belle vie que celle d'habiter le Québec."

    Only if you are a Francophone 'de souche.' All others (les autres) are treated like second-class citizens, even if they speak French fluently.

    Quebec only enjoys its current standard of living because it is being supported by billions of dollars of transfer payments every year from English speaking provinces in the rest of Canada.

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  52. Strange that Adski needs help! he can't take it anymore ? Poor boy.
    Well Basher... here we are again. Like I said to you previously:
    Votre opinion est mièvre, car vous ne connaissez pas suffisamment l'histoire des langues et le parcours du français, afin d'apprécier la riche culture et la langue française du Québec. La langue s'est transformée GRACE à VOUS, AVEC VOTRE CONTACT, ET AUSSI AVEC LE GEL DE LA LANGUE FRANCAISE DU XVIIe siècle, lors de la conquête, AINSI QU'AU CONTACT DES AMERINDIENS. Vous n'y pouvez rien, vous n'êtes que des amateurs avec un ordinateur qui vous TRANSFORME EN UN DIEU DE LA LAIDEUR. Il faut sans cesse vous redire les mêmes choses... LES MEMES SORNETTES....vous ne comprenez pas du tout, sauf LE VICE DE dénigrer.
    Si vous détestez le Québec à ce point, quittez-le et cessez d'en parler. Vous ne changerez pas une nation à vous deux, imbéciles ! Le fançais du Québec est aussi différent que celui de la Normandie et de l'Alsace, ou de la Belgique et le français "Luxembourgeois", le français en Aosti, au Senégal etc... C'est une langue qui a une complicité dans sa définition et qui est la langue la plus romantique au monde. Alors monsieur l'Anglais, mécontent ? Eh bien ! soyez-le et restez-y. En attendant consultez un des poèmes de Victor Hugo qui s'intitule LA M_ _ _ _ E. Amusez-vous bien, cela en vaut la peine. J'espère que vous saurez avouer votre prédilection cher lecteur. Quant à vous Adski et Basher vous pourrez réaliser un défi et un sens à trait formateur pour le français qui vous fait si peur :
    http://arts.forumculture.net/theatre-policier-et-autres-genres-f19/la-poesie-pour-adultes-t1813.htm

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  53. "Votre opinion est mièvre, car vous ne connaissez pas suffisamment l'histoire des langues et le parcours du français"

    Don't make assumptions. You don't have a clue about my level of education.

    "Si vous détestez le Québec à ce point, quittez-le"

    If you hate Anglophones and Canada so much, then you should go back to France. It is highly doubtful, however, that they would welcome you in France. They think the Quebecois are ignorant country bumpkins and they have a great deal of trouble understanding your vulgar backwoods version of French. You behave like you are the indigenous people of Quebec, but you are only colonial squatters on Indian land.

    "cessez d'en parler"

    I will never be quiet about the injustices and human rights violations in Quebec. It is obvious that you disapprove of freedom of expression, like so many other Quebecois. Fortunately your "tongue trooper" language police don't have the authority to shutdown this blog or the comments posted by its readers. I'm sure that pisses you off to no end.

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  54. Your education is not encompassing linguistics and its history. It takes years and years of reading and of experience in studying and reading to understand another culture. I know what I am talking about. Perhaps your skills are elsewhere, fair enough ? You did not learn latin definitely, because you would understand the differences of the French language. So you are limited in your perception of the world.SO IT'S NORMAL FOR YOU NOT TO UNDERSTAND.

    I am a Quebecois, and like a lot of them my lineage is from France. I am well respected there, well known, and it's a pleasure to be among them.

    -- Yes, some of them think a bit like you, when they come to QC, as they have problems to adjust. But Quebecois is as difficult to adjust as from the French from Marseilles, Normandie, or Alsace. Par contre, ils ne seront pas belliqueux, ils s'ajustent bien et font des affaires au Québec. L'entente qu'ils partagent est fascinante et une révélation positive pour la langue et le progrès en ce moment-ci. Ceci est un beau geste de voir le progrès côte-à-côte.

    Vos insultes encore, sont toujours présentes, mais pour le moins le manque de respect n'est pas idéal pour les échanges, vous êtes souvent trop grossier et extrêmement polisson pour un Anglophone qui tente de comprendre les autres. Si vous êtes un universitaire, vous n'êtes pas digne de l'être, reprenez-vous bon sens.

    Finalement, vous dites "vulgar" et "backwood language". Mais le Québécois est une langue française qui a mérité le prix Nobel (en Acadie)et plusieurs autres prix de littérature, et qui est une langue officiellement reconnue.

    1.- La vulgarité c'est autre chose. Attention: le franc parler est une façon de parler sans réserve et peut choquer, à ne pas confondre !Par contre, la langue anglaise est très souvent parlée avec de la vulgarité : f.. etc... alors ceci n'est pas un argument valable monsieur. La langue anglaise est parlée avec beaucoup de vulgarité, partout à la télé, sur la rue etc...

    2.- Quant à "Backwood language" "and cannot be understood " votre langue comme la mienne provient d'un arbre qui se nomme Indo Européen.
    Sauf. que le français provient d'une branche qui s'appelle la branche latine. La vôtre provient de la branche d'à côté qui s'appelle la branche germanique.

    Le Québécois sera toujours difficile pour vous à comprendre, ainsi que l'espagnol, l'italien,le créole de la belle Guadeloupe etc..

    Est-ce que vous avez quelque chose de positif à dire ? car, j'imagine que lorsque vous serez d'un âge fort avancé vous aurez encore moins de positif à apporter, n'est-ce pas ?

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  55. Someone is confusing "freedom of expression" which is the freedom to speak freely without censorship or limitation, or both FROM language rights which is an intellectual property people, AND PEOPLE have the right to protect IT. It is legitimate and it belongs to the non-anglophone, Basher ! not to you at all. Money has NOTHING, BUT NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. YES, you pay your share to QC, but you cannot stop them to be who they are. (They will speak French and are become wealthier as you speak, they will keep the money anyway, and they have a bigger spending power base bigger than you !) Nobody will sympathise with you against THE CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOM. You are like BIN LADEN !

    Même l'ONU a des programmes pour préserver et conserver au-delà de 6,700 langues en voie de disparition, par des moyens gouvernementaux et autres programmes. Ce qui est très légitime, car il s'agit de préserver des cultures et des langues, des gens et des pays.

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  56. Personne ne pourra se réconcilier parmi ces échanges terrifiants, mais je dois m'adresser aux lecteurs et aux lectrices.

    Les échanges sous ce blog prouvent deux choses.

    L'une d'elle est que les contemporains canadiens se sentent responsables de leur passé, ce qu'ils ne devraient pas.

    D'autre part les politiciens du Canada n'ont rien fait pour permettre l'entente des deux peuples.

    Même si le Québec est très différent du Canada, il devient de plus en plus fort tous les jours.

    Ses liens se transforment constamment avec la confédération, et nous osons espérer que leur libération commencera bientôt avec une la phase qui leur permettra de se libérer d'avec la monarchie de l'Angleterre.

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  57. "Même si le Québec est très différent du Canada, il devient de plus en plus fort tous les jours."

    Statistics from the Quebec government itself indicate that it is becoming more dependent on financial assistance from the rest of Canada with each passing year. Quebec is in fact becoming weaker. Just look at the transportation infrastructure; the roads, tunnels and bridges are crumbling and falling apart.

    Quebec will be in a much worse situation financially if it ever separates. It already is the fifth or sixth most indebted jurisdiction in the industrialized world. It has the 55th lowest gross domestic product per capita of the 10 provinces and 50 U.S. states. And it is the most highly taxed jurisdiction in North America. Quebec will become a Third World banana republic in no time at all if it leaves Canada.

    "nous osons espérer que leur libération commencera bientôt avec une la phase qui leur permettra de se libérer d'avec la monarchie de l'Angleterre."

    Frankly, I couldn't care less about the monarchy myself, but it is worth retaining because it so thoroughly angers Quebec nationalists.

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