Friday, December 14, 2018

Quebec's Humiliating Reaction to Equalization

"Legault promises zero equalization"  "Go ahead we're listening!" credit Ygrek
Quebec Premier Francois Legault was widely panned in the West for referring to Alberta crude as 'dirty oil' and for saying that he didn't want a pipeline crossing Quebec to ferry it to refineries in the Maritimes.

He said this just before it was announced that Quebec would be receiving a whopping $13.1 billion in equalization payments from Ottawa, a portion of which is paid for by this same dirty oil.

The political cartoon by Ygreck mocks Legault for promises made in the National Assembly

"What I want to say to Quebeckers is that a CAQ government will target zero equalization," said Mr. Legault. A CAQ government will eliminate the wealth gap with the rest of Canada. A CAQ government will have ambition and plan  big for Quebec. "
Ha!Ha!
Today Legault reminds me of the mythical broke-ass, unemployed brother-in-law who freeloads on your couch and complains about the free food.
Yup...
Like Rob Ford, Legault is off to a maladroit start, both gaffing rather publicly, displaying a lack of sophistication and deficient political skills.

Legault's jab at Alberta's 'dirty oil' had his own cabinet members wincing at the lack of manners, unbefitting of a Premier. It fell to Sonia Lebel to try and mitigate the damage to Alberta/Quebec relations via a statement wherein she clarified that both provinces enjoy good relations. This after Alberta Premier Rachel Notely furiously scolded Quebec telling reporters that Alberta's oil pays for Quebec schools.

What is interesting and a bit amusing is the reaction in the French press to the equalization payment and its relation to 'dirty oil.'
Even more interesting is the hysterical reaction in the comments section below these stories, both of which I'd like to offer you a glimpse of.

There is of course fact and then there is opinion, but in Quebec, it seems that opinion is considered fact by some journalists and a considerable portion of their readership.
(my translation) They try to embarrass us with the $13 billion figure, omitting to mention that $5 billion comes from Quebec. Net, it is $8 billion that remains which insures that equal services are available as compared to other provinces. Rejean Parent-Journal du Montreal
Mr. Parent must be mathematically or factually challenged or both. 
Of the $13 billion that Ottawa sends to Quebec, he claims that Quebec contributes $5 billion of the amount or about 39%.  Really????
Where and how can Quebec possibly do so? It would mean that Quebec contributes 39% of Ottawa's revenues with 23% of the Canadian population.
By the way, a recurring theme in the comments sections is that Quebec pays 23% of Ottawa's revenues because it has 23% of the Canadian population. 
This, of course, is nonsense. With its 23% of Canada's population, Quebec actually contributes just 18%.
Of the $13 billion in equalization that Quebec is to get this year, the truth is that Quebec contributes just $2.4 billion to it.
Mr. Parent goes on with more nonsense.....,.
(my translation)" It would be easy to believe in a conspiracy theory imagining that equalization was invented so that Quebecers would feel lousy and dependent on the generosity of other provinces, however, I am convinced that the federalists did not even think that."
If you don't believe it's true, why mention it, other than to plant the seed of doubt.

More dishonesty.
(my translation) "In the meantime, there is no reason to say thank you to the other provinces because we are just receiving what we contribute in taxes in Ottawa."
Really?? This is the irrational mindset of the idiot element of the nationalist movement.


As for separatist resident apologist Josée Legault's take on the equalization story, it's just a case of the same old/same old Quebec-bashing, using the comparison of a husband humiliating his wife by reminding her that without his income, she'd be up shit's creek. Link{fr}

Not all French journalists were inventing facts to mitigate the shame of the equalization payment and in an article entitled "Quebec wins the big prize of $13 billion" in the Journal du Montreal, Michel Girard, lays out the naked truth, fact by fact. If you have French I highly recommend reading it. Link
Some of his points;

  • In terms of disposable income (after taxes and social contributions), Quebec is at the tail end, with its meagre income of $28,785 per capita, $4,548 less than in the rest of Canada. 
  • As for GDP per capita, Quebec ranks 7th out of 10, with an amount of $ 50,276. 
  • Our productivity shows a deficit of $ 10,638 in per capita GDP compared to the rest of the country.
  • "Last week when François Legault put a stop to the construction of a new pipeline that would cross Quebec's territory to transport oil from the west to New Brunswick, the frustration of the premiers of Western Canada climbed up another notch. They feel largely cheated by the Equalization program. They are all the more frustrated when the Legault government tries to sell its "clean energy" to the provinces while pocketing $ 13 billion thanks to their oil that he describes as 'dirty energy."
At any rate, it was a bit amusing to read the comments under these various stories, some offering feeble excuses meant to belie the apparent humiliation and shame.

  • "First of all, it is not the western provinces that pay equalization, it is the federal government; therefore more or less 23% of our equalization received is paid by ourselves. On the other hand, the western provinces would only have to tax their citizens more: this would increase their fiscal capacity and could lead them to receive it. 
  • In fact, equalization is a federal program paid for by taxpayers .... The provinces do not send a cent to Quebec, contrary to what these provinces tell the people.
  • We are far from being beggars! Through taxes, we send Ottawa $ 53 billion each year. Through equalization, it only gives us $13 billion, of which we contributed about 23%. What is Trudeau doing with the rest of our money? Ottawa is not giving us a present!
  • François Legault has been on the job for two months and has nothing to do with this federal grand prize. If Quebec is in the Canadian welfare club it is rather thanks to the good work of the undermining Quebec Liberal party which has continued to applaud each sale of flagship Quebec companies. And when Hydro-Québec is finally sold, we will be all be forced to speak English ...
  • Oil is subsidized by the federal government. Hydro-electricity was financed by Quebec with the help of American banks while Alberta burned its wheat because it was unable to sell it and so received equalization to survive ...
  • They must regret the famous Love-In of 1995? Should have thought about it before.
  • Do English schools in Quebec not also benefit from this money?
  • If English Canada is angry with the cost of the Occupation of Quebec, it has only to end it by withdrawing. It won't be the first time that a foreign occupation declares defeat.
But surprisingly, there were more realistic and well thought out comments, showing that ordinary Quebecers are no longer led by the nose by bullshitting journalists and politicians

  • The hatred of some is such that one prefers to do business with Saudi Arabia than Alberta. It's really sad and pathetic.
  • Whether we like it or not, we receive a lot more than we give to the Canadian federation because equalization means that the rich provinces pay for the poor. We are poor because of our low productivity (the highest level of unionization in North America) and we live on the arm of Albertans and spit on our benefactors
  • You have to be honest with yourself. Say tomorrow morning Petro-Canada comes knocking on your door to pass an oil pipeline on your property in exchange of $1 million, be honest with your answer. Would you say yes or no? If you say yes, your reasoning in writing the earlier comment does not hold water. If you say no and hold out for $2 million,  does the answer become yes? If it's still no, which I doubt, we'll end up finding the amount where you're going to say yes. Which leads us to conclude that humans are green only when it suits them.
  • To believe that Albertan oil money does not entitle us to benefits in Quebec is utopian. Raise your hand and swear that you are ready to give up the  $13 billion we get which will be spent on important services in exchange for a stop in Albertan oil production. Go ahead, get your hand on the Bible and swear it!
  • I must admit that the logic behind the calculation of equalization frightens me. ''The more that I prevent the person who gives me charity to become rich, the more that this person must give me charity ' 
  • Here we prefer to receive the BS check (welfare) and cry rather than exploit what we have to potentially give up being beggars.
  • And yes, when we come down to Earth and get off our high horse, we pick up the spoils, without saying thank you or offering our help ... that's our reputation.
  • I see that you do not understand the Canadian tax system. All the money we send to Ottawa comes back in different forms to Quebec plus the bonus of equalization. We should work hand in hand with Western Canada. Quebec takes but is too selfish to help.
and my favourite comment of all.....
  • Why does Legault criticize Albertan oil? Alberta pollutes its own territory and Quebec picks up the cash!

9 comments:

  1. It's in Legault's best interest to criticize other provinces for anything. It creates conflict with the ROC, which is the only way to boost support for separation, which is their number 1 goal. That is their big ambitious plan for Quebec.

    As for not being dependent on equalization, how exactly would this province survive without it if we need to get 13 billion dollars while our economy is at its best? And yet we still can't fix our schools, hospitals or roads.

    With the entitled mentality in this province, I'm pretty sure even an independent Quebec would still demand equalization payments from Canada, simply because "we deserve it".


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    1. It's less a question of income than spending. If you reduce the governmental spending per capita to let's say BC or Alberta level that's an easy 10 Billion savings. Its quite feasible, its a lower level of comfort but I mean no one are dying over there.

      As for 'With the entitled mentality in this province, I'm pretty sure even an independent Quebec would still demand equalization payments from Canada, simply because "we deserve it".' If it's anything equalization is the quebec federalists safety blanket. Separatists are totally fine doing without it in exchange for 100% control of the taxes revenues.

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  2. When the federal government parse out contract for ship building to everyone but the Davies, it has an impact on our relative finance. When Harper does a stimulus package that essentially targets Ontario, it has an impact on our relative finance. When they renegociate NAFTA and leave Quebec economic interest at the far end of the negociating queue, it has an impact on our relative finance. It's a been a thing for a long time (Auto Pact. Saint Lawrence Seaway). All very nice and good but it makes us poorer in comparison to other provinces. Equalisation is supposed to compensate somewhat. All these articles love mentioning the total amount... but they rarely mention the breakdown per capita. Surprise, it doesn't half as bad when you do.

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  3. Equalization payment per Capita in 2018-2019

    PE 2835$
    NS 2046$
    NB 2480$
    QC 1419$
    ON 70$
    MB 1566$

    Shit, looks at that those deadweights that get no flak from you anglos.

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    1. Ohhhhh...Donald C! I give plenty of flak here. You obviously haven't read my previous posts unless you're someone who came in previously under another alias.

      Anyway, from your post above, Quebec, should they separate, could ask for all the money they want but they won't get. We in the real Canada will no longer get any tax revenues from a federal standpoint, but when you compare how much Quebec takes out of Ottawa vs what they put in, who cares?

      Back in the 70s when the separatist movement was taking shape, their supporters all thought those L.G. hydro projects were going to flow in money like milk and honey. So much for that Technicolour© dream!

      Sometimes I think it's high time someone come forward à la U-Know-Who in Washington and give this country some things to think about. Considering Quebec's poor per capita income, could you imagine a Quebec without Canada? Before you know it, they'd devolve into another Haiti even if they have enough resources in the ground to sustain themselves. Why? In all likelihood, someone would raid Quebec and dig up their natural resources for themselves! If it isn't other Canadians doing this, it would be the Americans. If not the Americans, look out for Russia or China and they would leave Quebec high and dry because the dufuses in Quebec wouldn't know what hit them!

      Lookit, Donald C.: Quebec is imploding, and don't be surprised if Leggo himself doesn't loot Quebec for all her worth. The only people who MAY be able to defeat Leggo are the minorities, and I'm sure most of them would be making tracks for the 401, or Highways 87 and 89 to the south.

      Leggo would make Quebec and its simpletons in the boonies his own fiefdom. Too many of the commonfolk, the bumpkins, are too stupid or weak to know what to do, and the minorities would be out of dodge before it takes complete shape, or become the scapegoats of that guy's destructive vortex. Leggo, like Parasite Parizeau before him, is just another opportunist.

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    2. Ohhhhh...Donald C!

      You obviously didn't read my prior posts unless you've come in under a new alias from before. Personally, I think it's high time another Donald facsimile à la from south of OUR border come to life in Canada.

      You can be sure not one farthing would leave Ottawa for Quebec. They could stand on their heads begging, but why should we help out a hostile foreign country that causes division in Canada? Makes zero sense.

      Considering how much Ottawa sends to Quebec vs federal revenues coming the other way is not positive, I think the Real Canada would be better off. P.M. Gorgeous is going to glad hand Quebec for all he can because Quebec is his true base. Think the majority, who already hate Muslims and Jews are going to vote for the guy who looks like a beanhead in the turban? (*please see note below). The country bumpkins probably don't even know he's not Muslim. No matter...he ain't "White" and he ain't Catholic or Christian altogether thus, ergo and therefore, he ain't no good to them.

      Quebec is P.M. Gorgeous's base, so of course he's going to glad hand as much as he can to ensure he gets at least ¼ of the country to vote for him. I sure hope Ontarians come to their senses after seeing Gorgeous look like an idiot in India, or how he blew electoral reform so quickly, or upped our deficit by $4½ billion in one fell swoop investing in a pipeline that looks as if it will have a zero return on investment, i.e., $4½ billion simply pissed against a wall. Lest we forget Alberta will get ZERO, i.e., not a penny in equalization while Quebec scoffs at the very idea of a pipeline bringing in readily available oil.

      Leggo is just another opportunist à la Parasite Parizeau who was ready to declare himself Jacques I of the Kingdom of Quebec. Under him, Quebec will become another Haiti because he'll likely sell all the natural resources Quebec has been too lazy to excavate to the U.S., Russia or China. He'll render his country bumpkins into exploited slaves and keep all the royalties for himself.

      Too, that unique Québécois identity (or "race" as they like to refer to themselves) will be lost with the dwindling population. If they don't get busy in the bedroom, then maybe the founders of the seppie movement in the 60s and 70s will have their worst fears confirmed. No bedroom frolics, kiss that unique "race" goodbye!

      It's only too bad I won't be around in all likelihood to see Quebec's final demise...i.e., where nobody gets busy in the boudoir!!!

      *NOTE: Fellow readers, please forgive my description of the NDP leader's turban. With societal Quebec, at least too many of their "race" majority, either dislike or fear those who don't wear the same dress as they do. I am merely hypothesizing about how the ignorant perceive Mr. Singh. While I have no desire to vote NDP, in all fairness to Mr. Singh, he is very well educated, spoken and dressed. Excellent academic credentials. According to his biography, he is fluent in French, Hindi and Punjabi in addition to English, and he is very physically fit. I do hope he wins his seat as he'll bring another perspective into the Canadian mosaic.

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  4. Lego knows how to talk out both sides of his mouth en route to the Holy Grail. Once he gets that grail, you get to see the real him in all his regal splendor.

    Happy now, voters?

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  5. Thrilled! �� Of course, I don't have to live under that heathen, hence my glee.

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