Friday, March 15, 2013

French versus English Volume 77

This week in corruption

Arthur Porter within months of dying 
At first I thought  that Arthur Porter was feigning cancer in order to avoid returning to Canada in order to face justice in consideration of the arrest warrant issued by police in Quebec.
But the truth is that Porter granted interviews with various media outlets where it was manifestly clear he was undergoing chemotherapy by his loss of weight and baldness. (Think of Jack Layton's last press conference)

Porter made an offer to Quebec investigators to come down and interview him in the Bahamas as he continues his futile battle with late stage lung cancer that has metastized to his liver.
They should take him up on the offer, he'll be dead within a couple of months, the survival rate for his type of cancer is incredibly low.

Newspapers are reporting that the Canada has an extradition treaty with the Bahamas but it isn't true and the likelihood of getting Porter  back against his will, even if he were healthy are slim to none.
It would require the federal justice department making a special appeal to Bahamas on behalf of Quebec and that would be unlikely as Porter is a huge embarrassment to the Feds over the fact that he was named to sit on a CSIS oversight board by Stephen Harper. Link
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A Montreal borough city manager committed suicide over the weekend after being questioned at length by Quebec’s anti-corruption unit. LINK
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Mayor Michael Applebaum fended off fresh allegations of wrong-doing on Friday, with evidence surfacing of a troubled snow removal contract during his time at the head of the Cote-des-Neiges-Notre-Dame-de-Grace borough. Link
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The Charbonneau Commission heard testimony once again that just about every single engineering firm dealing with the city of Montreal made illegal campaign contributions to the then mayor's political party.These same people also donated money to Pauline Marois' war chest in preparation for a potential leadership fight with Gilles Duceppe, one that never materialized. Link{fr}

Wrapping  up Pastagate

Here's some reaction from around the world in regards to Quebec's famous Pastagate.
Interestingly, the only place where I found a copy of the original complaint written by the OQLF about the affair was in a French website which also referred to the OQLF as the 'language police,' a term that seems to have stuck around the world.
Read the article here in French


Language wars: Quebec unions share 'horror stories of civil servants who used bilingualism to help citizens
"MONTREAL — As hearings began Tuesday into Quebec’s proposed tightening of its language law, the main union representing provincial civil servants had some horror stories to share about life on the frontlines.
The details were so shocking that employees’ names and workplaces were withheld to protect them from possible repercussions, the Syndicat de la fonction publique et parapublique du Québec (SFPQ) wrote in a brief tabled at the National Assembly.
There was the perfectly bilingual clerk at Revenue Quebec who frequently meets people who are more at ease discussing their tax questions in English. The clerk prefers to go along rather than turn “a tax problem into a language debate” and possibly spark a complaint.
There was a technician dealing in benefits who was asked to submit an English version of a form to a Quebec-based company because its payroll department was in Winnipeg, and staff there did not understand French.
Then there was the clerk at the rental board who frequently deals with people unable to understand decisions in their files because they are written in French. He takes it upon himself to translate important passages into English on the spot.
If these sound like examples of civil servants serving the taxpayers who pay their salaries, the SFPQ wants you to think again."   Read the rest of story

Once they start laughing at you, you're through- The Economist

"It has not been a good couple of weeks for the Office québécois de la langue française, the Quebec government body charged with ensuring that French remains the dominant language in the largely French-speaking Canadian province. Over-zealous application of the law by its inspectors, known in English as the language police, subjected the office to so much international ridicule that on March 8th its head was forced to step down.
It began, as do many things these days, with a tweet. On February 19th, Massimo Lecas, co-owner of an Italian restaurant, Buonanotte, in Montreal, wrote that he had received a letter from the office warning him that there were too many Italian words (such as "pasta") on his menu. This was a violation of Quebec’s language charter, he was told, and if they were not changed to the French equivalents (pâtes in the case of pasta) he would face a fine.
Journalists with a sense of the ridiculous quickly piled on. An analysis of international media coverage of Quebec showed the story, quickly dubbed #pastagate on twitter, received 60 times the coverage of a trip by Pauline Marois, the premier, that had been meant to drum up investor interest in the province. Other restaurant owners who had received similar letters—a fish-and-chip-shop owner who was instructed to call his main offering poisson frits et frites, a brasserie owner who was asked to cover the “redial” button on his telephone and the “on/off” button on his microwave—came forward, an indication this was not an isolated incident." Read more in the Economist 


When the Quebec government goes overboard
"It is not forcing restaurants to Frenchify their menus by replacing pasta, "shish-taouk, sake, tzatziki and teriyaki" that we will return to the city of Montreal French panache. These absurd bureaucratic practices rather give the image of a narrow-minded government and unsuited to globalization. They discourage the integration of immigrants rather than facilitate it."  Le nouvel observatuer-France

Pasta-Not in Montreal say the language police ...Germany
"After Lecas had published the letter from the OQLF, others came forward. One said he had  to glue the buttons on his microwave, because they were written in English. And he had to cancel the word 'steak' on the shopping list in the kitchen - "steak frites" is indeed found in every Parisian bistro, but not in Quebec. Here you eat "frites Biftek" exclusively." Read the original story in German

Quebec language police try to ban 'pasta' from Italian restaurant menu.... 
"They are known as the language police, a unit within the regional Quebec government that seeks to protect French from the rising tide of English. It deploys inspectors to rein in recidivist anglophones, take on big corporate transgressors such as Guess, the Gap and Costco and conduct spot checks to follow up thousands of public complaints.
Now, however, zealots in the Office québécois de la langue française (Quebec Board of the French Language) may have gone a step too far in picking a fight with an Italian restaurant known for its celebrity clientele including Bono, Rihanna, Leonardo DiCaprio, Jerry Seinfeld and Robert De Niro.
After a five-month investigation into an anonymous complaint, Massimo Lecas received a letter from the board telling him that his establishment, Buonanotte, had broken the law by including the words "pasta" on the menu and "bottiglia", the Italian word for bottle, instead of the French word bouteille." The Guardian U.K

U.K's Mailonline skewers Quebec over Pastagate
  • A British themed restaurant being ordered to rename fish and chips as poisson frit et frites
  • Another restaurant being ordered to mask the word 'redial' on its telephones with tape
  • A third restaurant being ordered to remove the letters WC from the lavatory doors - despite the abbreviation's popular use in France, and
  • A distribution company taken to court because it only provided English instructions for its Super Stretch Sleeve sex toy.
For the real fun, dig into the hundreds of comments. Link
But here is the most interesting comment which I culled from all these stories..ouch!
"That is the sad French heritage. If France instead of England had been the one who had conquered the Americas, the U.S. and Canada would have been as poor as Africa and Haiti."  Link from Spain    ( Esa es la triste herencia francesa. Si Francia en vez de Inglaterra hubiese sido la que hubiera conquistado las Americas, EEUU y Canada hubieran sido como Africa y tan pobres como Haiti.- ElpidioPosada)
And on it goes.
Thre OQLF continues its reign of terror over the dreaded English word .


"MONTREAL — Liquid Nutrition is missing a vowel in its local signage, according to the Office Québécois de la langue française.
In yet another instance of what appears to be an OLF crackdown against Montreal businesses, a local franchisee of the smoothie-and-supplements chain has been served with notices advising him his signs are in violation of provincial language laws and must be changed." Read more in the Montreal Gazette
In other OQLF news, inspectors are at odds with a FRENCH school commission which uses an English software product for training purposes.
The school board has cooperated with all the other demands made by the OQLF, including putting stickers on ON/OFF buttons on school projectors, but has so far refused to go along with the software change because it would cost a staggering $278,000, money the school commission just can't afford. Link{fr}

One of our loyal commenters who goes by the screen name "White African Canadian" came up with this neat term to describe the those obsessed with removing non-French words from public purview;

"Pasta chaser"  A overzealous French language militant or government employee obsessed with removing  non-French words and signs  from public display.
Fantastic!
I hope you use the term to describe such extremists and hopefully it will pass into the common lexicon.

As for the language inspectors, they are beginning to feel the heat;
"Richard Perron, President of the Syndicat des professionnels du gouvernement du Québec, claims that for its part,  the 155 employees it represents have asked the OQLF for many years for an accurate interpretation of rules. "The guidelines are too vague, there are too many gray areas."

According to him, "it's Hell." Sarcasm is on the upswing and inspectors fear a growing threat. "Some members are afraid to go on the road. They fear they might  encounter a  'Richard
Bain.' Link{fr}

In the meantime, the SAQ, the government booze monopoly, has sent a not so subtle message about where it stands on Pastagate, publishing this ad in the middle of the whole affair.


The SAQ has always been an English friendly agency, with bilingual and in fact many English and Ethnic employees.
Employees always answer in English when addressed and do so with a smile. The advertising material is all available in English and prepared in a first rate manner. Kudos to them!

Separatists to re-write history

“History is written by the winners,” Napoleon is supposed to have said. But in Quebec, it’s going to be written by the losers.
The losers in two referendums on sovereignty, that is.
And they’re going to write the history taught in Quebec schools so that next time, they’ll be the winners.
Nationalists have been clamouring for “improved” (wink, wink) teaching of Quebec history in the schools for some time, not even bothering to conceal a connection with sovereignty. Read the rest of the story

Montreal Hospital defines patient as "IMMIGRANT" on user card

Here's as bizarre a story as you're likely to hear this week. A Montreal hospital is designating patients as "IMMIGRANT" on user cards, those even who are Canadian citizens and who have lived here for decades.


The bizarre story doesn't end there, when a local reporter went to check it out and applied for his own card, he was asked his religion and when he inquired as to why, he was told that the hospital was 'Catholic"
Watch the video story at CTV Montreal

CRITIQ event a success

"In what many have called the largest gathering against discriminatory Quebec acts that curtail civil rights since Premier Bourassa used the notwithstanding clause in 1989,some 800 people crowded into the downtown Delta Hotel in order to attend a conference staged by CRITIQ ( Canadian Rights in Quebec.) CRITIQ is a broad alliance of anglophones, allophones and francophones dedicated to ensuring that constitutionally enshrined Canadian civil rights - particularly with respect to language - are respected in Quebec." Link



You can hear some of the speeches here

Barbara Kay  

Beryl Wajsman

Brent Tyler


Michel David


Robert Libman


More animal cruelty

A couple of weeks ago Leo Romain  posted a picture of a half-starved dog from one of Quebec's notorious puppy mills onto my Facebook page and I've waited for the opportunity to work it into a post.
Here's an attached story about Quebec's dismal record concerning animal welfare.

A year after more than 500 dogs were seized from Paws-R-Us, a puppy mill near Shawville, Que., some advocates say Quebec's animal cruelty laws don't go far enough to close the remaining 2,000 estimated puppy mills in the province.
The seizure was the largest of its kind in Quebec history. Today, 30 of the rescued dogs and their caregivers are meeting for a reunion.
In 2011, Quebec tightened its animal protection laws and boosted its efforts to control the province's increasing problem with puppy mills.
The province was given the power to close kennels where abuse was happening, increase fines and set new standards for animal euthanasia.

No jail time means puppy mills won't stop, some say

But people lobbying for tougher laws claim that without jail sentences for repeat offenders, mills will keep operating.
France Turcotte is caring for Lucy, a bulldog rescued from Paws-R-Us. At first, Turcotte said the dog wouldn't walk at all. Link
I dredged all this up in relation to another horrific story of animal cruelly that came to light recently;

Orville the Australian shepherd is shown at an animal shelter in Cowansville, Que. in a handout photo from the SPA des Cantons Facebook page. Police are investigating the case of a dog that has somehow survived after being shot in the head and left in a ditch in Quebec  Photograph by: HO-SPA des Cantons , The Canada

The Sûreté du Québec in Estrie has opened a file for a case of cruelty to animals after a dog was found shot in Lac Brome. The dog survived.
“It’s a miracle, the dog didn’t move, or eat or drink for three days, all it moved was its eyes,” said Carl Girard, president of the Société protectrice des animaux (SPA) for the Eastern Townships.
The dog is now walking, running, eating and drinking after it was given shots of anti-inflammatory drugs. Link
Read Puppy Hell: The Horrors of Puppy Mills 

Thanks for inspiration for the story to Leo Romain
 

Briefly

  • Quebec's Education Minister Marie Malavoy announced Thursday that she is scrapping a Liberal plan for universal English immersion across the province’s French schools by 2015-2016. Link
     
  • Pauline Marois' daughter belts out a song at a charity event, in English. Link  ... and  I'm not going to touch this story about her with a ten foot pole. If you're a mean sort, DON'T CLICK ON THIS LINK!
  • PQ backtracks...again. The Lachine Hospital will remain under the umbrella of the McGill University Health Centre, Quebec’s health minister said Thursday night.“It seems to us that the MUHC guarantees the respect of the community character of Lachine Hospital,” Réjean Hébert said in his prepared remarks.  Less than three months ago, Hébert stunned physicians and staff at the MUHC and the Lachine institution by saying he would transfer it from the world-class teaching hospital to the local public health authority to preserve its francophone “vocation.” Link
  •  Humiliated ex-boss of the OQLF Louise Marchand has already been shuffled off to another government agency to await retirement in obscurity. Link{fr}  
  • The Harper government says there is no need to legislate the use of French in Quebec's federally-regulated private businesses.Both the Parti Québécois and the federal New Democratic Party have called for Quebec's language laws to be applied to federally-regulated businesses such as banks. Today the federal Minister responsible for Quebec, Christian Paradis, said the results of a study that looked at those workplaces suggested there is no need for legislation to regulate their use of French. Link

Tributes pouring in for dead convicted terrorist murderer Paul Rose.

Pierre Dubuc of the separatist l'Autrejournal website said this about the death of FLQ terrorist Paul Rose;

"His many friends and all militant unionists and nationalists cry over the loss of a great patriotic Quebecer." Link{fr}

Here's a statement from Quebec solidaire website praising the terrorist murderer;
"Québec solidaire offers its condolences to the family and friends of Paul Rose, who  died this morning after a stroke.

Our thoughts are also with progressive independents and who had the pleasure of working with him and militate with him for many years.

Throughout his life, Paul Rose remained convinced of the need to fight for national liberation and social emancipation of the people of Quebec. He chose, after the tragic events of October 1970, that fight on the field of democracy and citizen involvement.

Paul Rose was the leader of the Party for Social Democracy (PDS) one of the parties that formed the Union of progressive forces, which is subsequently became Québec solidaire.
Link{fr}
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Amir Khadir, one of two members of the pro-sovereignty Quebec solidaire, promises to table a motion in the national assembly to that effect next week.
"This is someone who is significant to the independence movement," Khadir told The Canadian Press when asked about Rose's passing.
"You can share the reservations he had about his past in the FLQ, but no one can question his sincerity, his devotion, his integrity, his intellectual honesty." Link

Readers, a final note....

I found this illustration on the Antagoniste website (check it out) and I must say it lifted my spirits.
Many days I have trouble believing that this website is at all relevant and that changing people's minds is well nigh impossible.





Along that line I would like to thank those who do stop by.
This week we crossed the 40,000 comments barrier and the marker at the right of the page counting monthly pageviews hit an all time high,


 


On a pro-rated basis, it means that we are seeing over one million pageviews a year!!!

Thank you for your participation and...

Have a great weekend!
Bonne fin de semaine!

 HAPPY ST. PATRICK'S DAY


266 comments:

  1. FROM ED
    I wonder if anyone will be covering the Liberal Party do at the Auditorium here in Verdun this weekend. I so wish I was physically able to be there. I hear Jean Charest is going to speak. If any of our people go, I hope they will report in detail. Ed

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  2. Re: your mention of the OQLF inspectors complaining about vague guidelines and the quote: "Some members are afraid to go on the road. They fear they might encounter a 'Richard Bain.' ..."
    I am sure no one would condone sending a gunman after these people. Just sic a few anglos from the Outaouais on 'em, and the tongue troopers will flee. It's worked before.

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    1. Yes We are lot stronger than them physically

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    2. Dexter - Language Police Eradicator. I feel a spinoff TV show in the making.

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  3. I'm not here to defend the OQLF. Seriously I think they are a waste of time and an embarrassment.
    I share Yves Boisvert's take on this story (taken for the Nationnal) : "Yves Boisvert, who revealed the Holder incident in La Presse, concluded: “Give an inspector a regulation, deprive him of his judgement and he will annoy an entire city, as well as shaming you internationally. All that, of course, without accomplishing anything useful for the protection of French.”

    However I'd just like to point out that some of the articles written on the pastagate are reporting false stuff.

    "there were too many Italian words (such as "pasta") (The Economist)

    "Quebec language police try to ban 'pasta' from Italian restaurant menu...." (Guardian, UK)

    "Buonanotte, had broken the law by including the words "pasta" on the menu and "bottiglia", the Italian word for bottle, instead of the French word bouteille." (Guardian, UK)

    If you read the recommendations, they weren't asking to subtract or ban italian words, they were complaining about the lack of French.

    The OQLF is useless, the complaint was dumb but this is also some poor journalism.

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    1. Gee, GL, let me play you a tune on my Stradivarius. My liver bleeds cold borscht for the so-called inaccuracies that bother you. So if it wasn't the lack of French, some moron would likely have measured the size of the Italian lettering vs the French.

      For Christ sake, outside Quebec, there are menus written in Italian only, or even French only! Do you hear complaints about French menus in America where French is not an official language? Language SS who come into stores and make orders to cover redial buttons on phones and on/off switches on nuking ovens are far, far beyond the limits of human logic.

      If Bill 14 passes, businesses will be hounded to no end, then to be followed by home inspections to make sure household appliances are taped and written over in French, ensure anyone who comes to your front door or calls you on the phone is greeted in French, the French side of your food labels inside your pantry or fridge are in French, you sing French songs while taking a shower, and the bedroom...well, Daddy Trudeau did say the law has no place in the nation's bedrooms, but then again, that's a federal politician's policy, but this is Quebec we're talking about. Oh, I almost forgot, we'll have to get French software, French magazines and newspapers and books, but apply to the Quebec government (in French, no less) for permission to have English software and literature.

      GL, you should turn blue (in the shade of the Quebec flag, no less) about the inaccuracies in international periodicals. Blame the language gestapo for making complete and utter asses of themselves. They invite all the ridicule they're getting, and I hope the likes of Marois, De Courcey, Malavoy and Lisée are only seeing the beginning of it! The fact the story is now in the Economist practically is too delicious, and IIIIIIIIIIIIII'm rrrrrrelishing every word of it!

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    2. @sauga

      " The fact the story is now in the Economist practically is too delicious, and IIIIIIIIIIIIII'm rrrrrrelishing every word of it!"

      hum. no. to be precise you'd have to write every false word of it. you relish botched reports, sauga. shame on you.

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    3. "However I'd just like to point out that some of the articles written on the pastagate are reporting false stuff."

      Hmm, like all those reports that claim that french is threatened in Quebec?

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    4. @tree stump

      "...like all those reports that claim that french is threatened in Quebec?"

      you are suggesting "those reports" are false. which reports? why, in your humble opinion, are their conclusions false?

      also, why do you think it's a good come back line to guillaume's comment? as even if you were right, it wouldn't contradict what he claimed.

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    5. Sauga, that has to be the most entertaining post you've ever written. Good job. :)

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    6. Yannick: Thank you.

      student: Meh! (i.e., the inaccuracies are minor, a mere technicality).

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    7. The moron who made the anonymous complaint against Caffè in Gamba didn't even realize that "caffè" is Italian. His complaint states he thought it was a mixture of English and Spanish! This is the kind of person, ignorant of other languages and cultures, who is trying to make the rest of the province as ignorant as he is.
      http://on.fb.me/15Roxcv

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  4. That's what the pastagate people want the media to think, that it's about taking OUT the italian, when in fact it's about giving a place to french. It's a smear campaign. They say they are so worried about the economy, but they don't mind creating negative spin. Maybe they should put a little of that energy into repairing some of the damage english Canada has done to the natives. http://www.facebook.com/notes/ditto-singersongwriter/proof-of-canadas-genocide-of-first-nations-children-deeply-disturbing-informatio/10151434168541170

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    1. Again with the forget-separatist-excesses-focus-on-how-bad-English-Canada is.

      I completely agree that the Natives are shortchanged and their lot needs to improve.

      But fuck, man, what's with you using the natives as cover for Francosupremacy?

      the pastagate people want the media to think, that it's about taking OUT the italian, when in fact it's about giving a place to french.
      EVEN THE FUCKING CHARTER OF THE FRENCH LANGUAGE says French doesn't need THIS kind of place on "ethnic" menus. What are you ON?

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    2. @apartachik

      anonymous is right in writing that the law's scope is not to eradicate italian, but it's to make sure french is not eradicated. can you appreciate the nuance, mate?

      "EVEN THE FUCKING CHARTER OF THE FRENCH LANGUAGE says French doesn't need THIS kind of place on "ethnic" menus."

      exactly. that's why we are before a case where the inspector made a bad call. and that's it. of course it's gonna create a big buzz if you scream oqlf wants to erase "pasta", but that is totally misleading.

      what are you on, mate?

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    3. EVEN THE FUCKING CHARTER OF THE FRENCH LANGUAGE says French doesn't need THIS kind of place on "ethnic" menus.

      This "Bill 101 creep" where people are starting to expect things that they are not entitled to would also be worth an exploration by the Editor. Laws should not subject to "good calls" or "bad calls".

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    4. FROM ED
      The terrible English. What exactly did they do to the natives. Fortunately for them it was the English and not the Spanish that came here first otherwise there wouldn't be a first nations to talk about. When the spanish went into central and South america they eradicated whole civilizations such as the Incas and the Mayans. The English came to Canada and made freinds of the Indians and they learned from each other. The terrible English saw Natives freezing and dying in tents and huts and built them houses wwith running water and sewerage. The Churches tried to educate the children ( a good deed for which they will ever by sorry) knowing that the native ways would not allow them to make a living in the changing world but the stubborness of the indian chiefs did not want to lose their power to someone better educated and fought it all the way. Finally today native children are attending good schools and learning to be self sufficient among their peers. Ed

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    5. To Ed--You should send the words you just wrote to ANY Native media or Native FB page or to ANY tribal council, and see how that works out for you.

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  5. FROM ED
    Sorry fellas, you're both wrong. It is about eradicating other languages. Why else would they have these people cover words on the telephone and the pizza oven and put glue on the microwave oven buttons. Places where it's impossible to replace with French. They just want the English or Italian words gone. Yes it is about getting rid of Italian they did not ask to have the Italian words replaced by French as well but in french only. Where have you guys been, they have been trying to eradicate other languages frfo 40 years. Don't tell us they are not doing that. It's the very reason we all come here.
    What the hell have the natives got to do with this. Talk about yellow jounalism, you bring up some scandal to prove a point where there is none.

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    1. That's not what YOUR document shows. They have not been trying to eradicate other languages.

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    2. @ed

      "...they did not ask to have the Italian words replaced by French as well but in french only."

      this time you are straight forward lying. or you didn't read the editor's post. here's a translation of the relevant bit from the oqlf letter:

      "the french text can be flanked by one or many translations,..."

      ed, wake up. how can you cry about eradication when nothing is forbidden? you are being played by foreign newspapers! stay on the lookout for facts instead of spins.

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    3. @ Anonymous,

      I see that you're still using past bad behavior (i.e. Native residential schools) to justify the current reprehensible conduct of French language supremacists in Quebec. The ethnic cleansing of Anglophones is happening NOW. How much longer are you going to dwell on the past? The Natives themselves seem to be less bitter than you are about the residential schools. And the Mohawk and Cree Nations in Quebec want absolutely nothing to do with your sovereignty project.

      By the way, posting under 'anonymous' isn't permitted on this blog. The editor has requested that all commenters use an alias.

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    4. @ Anon.,

      "That's not what YOUR document shows. They have not been trying to eradicate other languages."

      Of course they have. Bill 101 in its original form banned all languages except French from public display. The law was only modified to allow other languages in restricted format after the Supreme Court ruled against portions of Bill 101 and after Quebec was condemned by the United Nations for violating basic human rights. The OQLF still discourages the display of English and some fanatical groups like Imperatif francais want English completely eradicated in Quebec.

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    5. "the french text can be flanked by one or many translations,..."
      Again, even THAT, according to our current legislation, is subject to an exception in cases like what gave rise to pastagate.

      If we're going to focus on what supposedly really happened, why not emphasize that the initial complaint had to do with the patron getting an English-Italian menu and when the OQLF agent showed up and received a French-Italian menu, needed to justify his being there, so he went overboard?

      Oh that's right, English bad, French endangered, immigrants suspicion-worthy, Natives victims.

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    6. @appartachik

      your second paragraph i think is right, mate. the inspector went overboard. a imbecile? or someone who wanted to spoil the ambiance before bill 14 hearings start two weeks later? i don't know.

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    7. English bad, French endangered, immigrants suspicion-worthy, Natives victims.

      This is indeed their mantra. Except for that last bit. None of the rest is true.

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  6. Lord Dorchester

    Amir Khadir praising an FLQ terrorist after his sudden death. That's rich. I truly hope one day Mr Khadir finds himself in a pickle in a foreign land and the Feds look the other way if he asks for help. Letting that ungrateful SOB into Canada was a hell of a mistake.

    Oh, and to those that are sympathetic to the OQLF and feel that the government is being unfairly smeared because of #pastagate . The reason it's generating such huge foreign press is because people are genuinely astounded that such laws can exist in a free and democratic society. This sort of law is usually the domain of tin-pot dictatorships and autocracies. Wether they got the story right or wrong about what the OQLF actually requires is moot. The law stinks and it's an embarrassment to Quebec and Montreal. It's main objective, to allow les Québécois to receive service in French was bulldozed years ago and it's morphed into the Anti anything French Ministry. As they say, Bill 101 paved the way to Toronto's success , which incidentally has over taken Chicago as the 4th largest city in North America. The GTA is on track to becoming a World Mega City. We in Montreal on the other hand are trying our best to revert back into the Québécois Village category.

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    1. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 15, 2013 at 6:42:00 AM EDT

      I posted this last night:
      "UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYThursday, March 14, 2013 at 9:13:00 PM EDT
      Hardcore communist/separatist Iranian-quebecois Amir Khadir promises to table a motion in the national assembly to honour FLQ terrorist Paul Rose next week.

      "This is someone who is significant to the independence movement," Khadir told The Canadian Press when asked about Rose's passing."

      http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/political-party-wants-to-honour-paul-rose-late-flq-kidnapper-following-his-death-1.1195522"
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      AS far as Khadir goes, anti-semitism, support to terrorists, radical Marxist, radical separatists, enthusiastic supporter of lost causes (i.e. puny student tuition hikes, etc)... What else we still don't know about him?
      God protect us all if QS wins the next elections

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    2. @LD : It's not a moot point. It's about journalism ethics.

      There is already enough ways to make the OQLF look bad, you don't have to make up facts.

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    3. @lord dorchester

      "Wether they got the story right or wrong about what the OQLF actually requires is moot."

      right on, mate! never let the facts come in the way of a good story, eh? you are funny.

      @un gars bs de clagary

      "I posted this last night:..."

      dude stop this. can you imagine if everybody reposted their stuff from last night?!? it is considered bad manners for a good comment, so imagine how abusive it is for you to repost yours!

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    4. LD

      Letter to The Gazette Editor: OQLF seems engaged in a witch hunt (MONTREAL GAZETTE MARCH 14, 2013)

      "It is enraging that the PQ government is using taxpayer money to harass tax payers.

      Since I arrived to Montreal more that 10 years ago, this is the first time I really sense some kind of “not a great place to live” fear. It seems like a witch hunt in a place recognized for its tolerance and diversity.

      Question to the government: How does the OQLF crackdown against Montreal businesses improve anyone’s quality of life?

      M Aguirre,Dorval"

      This is the climate created by language law tensions. Is this what Montreal has become?

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    5. Unfortunately, it's not just Montreal - it is all over the damn place!

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    6. Since I arrived to Montreal more that 10 years ago, this is the first time I really sense some kind of “not a great place to live” fear. It seems like a witch hunt in a place recognized for its tolerance and diversity.


      Wow... you shoulda been here in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s. Those were great intolerant witch hunt years. Pastagate is almost a satirical cakewalk compared to what's already happened.

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  7. LD

    Forgot to mention, Michel David's speech at that CRITIQ meeting is worth listening to. His views on making Montreal a City State are bang-on.

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    1. Actually, LD, Michel David wrote an exposé on the City-State concept years ago. All he did was recite what he wrote years ago. Here is a critique (please pardon the pun) by Hugo Shebbeare written in Nov 2009 on Michel David's work. Unfortunately, for some reason, David's exposé is no longer on the internet. I read the whole thing when it was. I should have saved it on a Word file, but I didn't think it would come off the internet so fast. Hopefully it will be reposted now that interest has piqued again.




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  8. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 15, 2013 at 6:57:00 AM EDT

    Today is a special day in quebec: the annual demonstration against "police brutality".
    You all know, this is where the masses denounce violent cops. Or so we think. Demonstrators - in this case in majority, professional trouble makers will unleash acts of violence resulting in arrests, injuries, vandalism, smashed windows, flipped cars and another black eye to quebec's reputation on the world stage...
    I cant wait to read the papers Saturday!!!
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    BTW is this only a quebec thing or is it an international event?

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    1. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 15, 2013 at 7:07:00 AM EDT

      I guess I have the answer. Today is the 17th International Day against police brutality.
      http://cobp.resist.ca/evenements/15-mars-2013-17e-journ-e-internationale-contre-la-brutalit-polici-re

      How many of you think that it will be mostly a non event except in quebec?

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    2. It's going to turn into a celebration of Paul Rose and PQ flags.

      Did anyone else see what the National Post reported:
      "His family read him nationalist poems at his bedside at the hospital as he passed".

      You can;t make that shit up! What a screwed up bunch. Now that dangerous clown Kadir is suggesting Rose get a Quebec medal? WTF. A democracy that wants to honor somebody that uses the most violent anti democratic tactics. Very strange.

      Quebec is incapable of avoiding the course of self destruction.

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    3. And by the way complicated, does this finally make Mr. Legault a separatist? Don't know what else can convince you if this doesn't do it! Honour the murdering bastard - some nerve! Resident Evil is correct - go urinate on his grave!

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    4. cebeuq: I'm surprised the Government of Quebec hasn't yet arranged a state funeral yet for Paul Rose. They had one for Camille Laurin! Outside of these terrorist and language fanatic clowns, the only person left in Quebec who deserves a state funeral, altruistically, will be Jean Beliveau when his time comes. I call him the last of the true Québécois pur laine gentlemen. The rest? Faggedaboudit! He's the final chapter, maybe an epilogue with Guy Lafleur and Yvan Cournoyer.

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    5. I kinda like how the cops took control of the protest situation real quick today.

      Kinda makes me wonder how or why they couldn't nip last year's protests in the bud. Incompetence, logistical impossibility, or tacit support?

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    6. @cebeuq

      "Did anyone else see what the National Post reported:
      "His family read him nationalist poems at his bedside at the hospital as he passed".
      You can;t make that shit up! What a screwed up bunch."

      what's wrong with this, mate?!? screwed up for reading gaston miron to a dying nationalist?!? what's your point?

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    7. I kinda like how the cops took control of the protest situation real quick today.

      Maybe after 17 years, they're finally learning how to get a handle on these things?

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  9. @Student

    Seems like Student doesn't like it when we point out what happened the night before a fresh post, but I just wanted to finish things off too.

    Last night he told me I should study Buddhism after I pointed out his revolting tendency to support creeps like Paul Rose.

    And you child, need to live up to your moniker and actually study.

    I also stand by what I said. I can't wait for the other shoe to drop and for it to affect you.

    You weren't on this blog the night Bain attacked the PQ, but all of us collectively denounced his actions and were disgusted that he took the life of an innocent man.

    Face it Student, you're a dogmatic sociopath...and contrary to what Ed thinks, I don't believe there's any hope for you. Sorry.

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  10. FROM ED
    Hey Evil, What the hell is this. I don 't deserve this;
    "Face it Student, you're a dogmatic sociopath...and contrary to what Ed thinks, I don't believe there's any hope for you."
    I'm probably the only guy on this blog that has not communicvated with the trolls. In fact this morning when I answered anonymous and Michel Legare I was half asleep and didn't realize they were Franco trolls. They could both be the same person since anonymous does not use an I.D. of any kind. I certainly have never mentioned student. I feel my writing is worthwhile. I would never lower myself to answer
    a hapless inane person.
    Can anyone explain why the people keep reelecting an embarrassment like Khadir. he hates Jews and English, is it the majority of students in his area that like him. If it is, it doesn't say much for the future of our country. Ed

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    1. Hello everyone! First post of mine here!

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    2. Bienvenue Michel!
      Any relation to Guillaume above?

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  11. Guys he's paid to hang out here.

    It's a great statement to the success of the blog that seppies somewhere feel they need to pay somebody to refute the message on-line.

    He's a paid "social media" person at some level. Marketing company, "language researcher", Amazon Turk..

    SR is hanging out here on his own volition.

    student grinds away through the posts without much real interest. It's just a job..

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    1. What makes you think student gets paid, as opposed to just being someone with too much time on his hands?

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    2. Yes I heard a rumour Imperatif francais had a PR group that visits blog about english and promoted separation. Now the pay isn't great but as a part time job while working from home is sort of great. I can't confirm the rumor since I have an irish name and would be unwelcome from entering IF offices.


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    3. If student is the best rhetorician they can hire, ça n'augure pas bien pour l'indépendance...

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    4. I would like it if student could at least attempt to present coherent points like Michel Patrice. Of course, I'm no separatist and I couldn't disagree more with many of Michel's points, let alone much of his ideology.

      But at least I respect Michel's style, presence, and attempt to argue his case without blatant non-sequiturs and deliberately exploding irrelevant or ambiguous points out of proportion...

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    5. For myself, I love to talk to people who have different viewpoints than mine, so long as they can express themselves logically and rationally. I have to admit that it's one of the main reasons I follow this board. How else are you ever supposed to grow as a human being if you never expose yourself to differences in opinions? It's the reason why I quite like Michel, even if we will never agree on separation.

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    6. I agree with Yannick but cebeuq's explanation would explain why he has never had a comment of his own to make and is here only to police others. He seems to be confusing blog comments with doctoral theses.

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    7. Quebec isn;t so obsessed with the "best" of anything.

      As this blog article discusses. "A B-environment merits a B-effort"

      http://37signals.com/svn/posts/3461-b-environment-merits-b-effort

      Quebec is obsessed with mediocracy.

      student isn;t hired because he's the best of anything, he's hired because he (passed the PQ blood test) was willing and available to waste his time on something so couter productive.

      Go checkout https://www.mturk.com/mturk/welcome

      You can buy people bulk for crap like this.

      You want to bury some blog in trolls? Mechanical Turk!

      Perhaps we should take up a fund, raise $100 for "trolls of vigile.net" over at mechanical turk.

      The PQ won;t be able to use mechanical turk. It's not in French or based in Quebec.

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    8. @cebeuq & @liam

      "Guys he's paid to hang out here."

      this line above is a good example of the retribution i get for my contribution here.

      when you resort to insults and smear, when you start dreaming about my age, the size of my house, my real life job, the number of nicknames i use, when you make up strawmen and tergiversate about my motives, all the diversions you make up to avoid humbling answers, all this is my daily "paycheck".

      and the knowledge. i learn a lot, here.

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    9. For myself, I love to talk to people who have different viewpoints than mine, so long as they can express themselves logically and rationally.

      This is the main thing. It's also what makes it easy to spot who is insincere in their "contributions".

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  12. Editor - the page in question was scanned and uploaded by the restaurant itself on its Facebook page, in response to the claim that the OQLF was speaking of the English menu exclusively. Because it comes from the Facebook of the actual restaurant, I'm guessing that's the reason that not many media sites have uploaded it.

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  13. It's funny that the editor provides the government complaint proving that he's lying!
    This would have gotten NO international media coverage otherwise.
    See the difference; 1--Reknowned tax evader Buonna Notte is handed a letter by a Quebec language inspector, requiring that their menus include enough french in them so that their customers can read them. Or 2--Gestapo holocaust Quebec racist language police harass minority italian community and try to eradicate the word pasta from the face of the earth!!!
    One catches the eye, for a moment. The other, not at all.
    Either way, do you think the world is spellbound by this story? You try to make it look like the whole world is laughing at Quebec. Out of the billions of bits of info circulating out there, you can of course find articles suiting your purpose, but you could find more articles about different ways of slicing tomatoes.
    And now for International news;
    USA drones rain bombs on Pakistan...
    Gang rapes and kills woman on Delhi bus...
    6000 dead pigs dumped into Shanghai's water supply river...
    Restaurant owner is required to add french language clarification to his menu in french language Quebec...
    Pffffff!
    Once the media(and people) understand they've been spun, maybe next time they just won't believe you. Cry wolf.

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    1. Devoir ajouter une traduction pour des termes come carne et pasta, c'est quand même extrême. Les médias sont allés pour le sentationalisme (vous souvenez vous de l'affaire 7-up avec air canada l'année passée?) mais ça ne change pas grand-chose à l'absurdité de la chose.

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    2. Once the media(and people) understand they've been spun, maybe next time they just won't believe you. Cry wolf.

      Right. Because the true story about the Brazilian-Canadian OQLF agent who showed up at the restaurant and showed what the PQ itself has called "excès de zèle" is beyond belief.

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    3. Restaurant owner is required to add french language clarification to his menu in french language Quebec...Pfffff!

      Let me attempt to explain why this blew up in the PQs face.

      The ludicrousness of Pastagate is that the law IS written as such, and people like you and the OQLF sympathizers don`t care how much time and money is spent by the government (i.e. taxpayers) on stupidities like this, and you certainly don`t care how much time and money is spent by the business owner to comply (changing his menus or in other cases, signs, napkins, letterhead, glasses, invoices, etc.).....it`s all in the name of "protecting" the French language

      Oh ya, that`s perfectly fine and quite a normal headline you say, since the French language MUST be protected.

      Tell me, do francophones understand the word Pasta? Will such laws protect you from getting confused into accidentally ordering Pasta thinking it`s pommes de terres or pudding chômeur? No, of course not, those are silly questions, you silly girl. Well then, it is more likely that you feel belittled and threatened by the word because you don`t see "pâtes alimentaire" first, foremost and bigger, bigger, BIGGER than yours (i.e. screw you fat lady at Eaton`s and mean English boss). That is the reason it has become an embarrassment.

      You see, any way you cut it, it`s ludicrous and laughable!

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    4. @laurie

      "you certainly don`t care how much time and money is spent by the business owner to comply (changing his menus or in other cases, signs, napkins, letterhead, glasses, invoices, etc.).....it`s all in the name of "protecting" the French language"

      the cost would be zero if they had ordered compliant napkins in the first place. zero, mate. as cheap as it gets.

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    5. Even the language police themselves don't know what is or isn't compliant anymore.

      Hence the flip-flopping.

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  14. Dear Anonymous,
    Thank for your comment. Opinions of all sorts are valued.
    If you wish to comment again , please choose a screen name in accordance with instructions posted in the section at the top of the page on the Green bar entitled "How to Comment'

    Much as I feel your pain, it is important to understand that we live in a world of short attention spans.

    Pastagate just struck a nerve and whether it is fair or unfair, Quebec will have to live with the humiliation and stigma of intolerance.
    Perhaps it is a case of the chickens coming home to roost.

    The OQLF has reaped what it has sown. I feel no sympathy for your pain. Pasta chasers like yourself are doomed to be mocked.
    C'est la vie.....

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  15. FROM ED
    Michel legare, I meant to say Guillaume Legare. My humble apologoies.

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  16. Editor,
    The Catherine Marois in the Youtube video you linked to is not Catherine Marois-Blanchet, the premier of Quebec's daughter.

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  17. FROM ED
    In the fifties Montreal was wide open under Mayor Houde. the clubs were open all night and gambling was everywhere. The
    most exciting thing was the entertainment. White African Canadian
    wrote a post that brought to mind the Esquire Showbar with Bo.Diddely and Frank Motley whose back to back music included
    Rock, jazz and blues. It never stopped the artists changed one ata time picking up whatever song was playing. On St. Catherine the Western hailed Eddy Arnold and the main had a dozen good clubs with mostly Country. The Rialto cafe had a female trio that did Kitty Wells type of blue grass and a male band that did popular. There was a fantastic guitarist called Norm Petersen.
    When I asked him why he didn't play at places like the El Morrocco he said, "I did but they change their show every two weeks so I needed an agent to find me new jobs. I have four kids. Here I pay five bucks a week to the pegre and I have work for as long as I want it. The bouncers protected the customers.
    The club owners didn't want trouble. bad publicity scared off custom. There was also the Hale hakala on Notre dame street which featured Wally Aspell who did great Sinatra and Nick Makos at the York hotel sang like mario Lanza. Beer was 40 to
    65 a quart depending where you were. Five bucks was a great night out. The entertainment was all in English which of course was only natural since they were all American songs. The enjoyment of same was totally bilingual. Ed

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  18. FROM ED
    TO MICHEL LEGARE, Now that I am awake , I again apologize for calling you a troll. But the fact that your name sprang into my mind speaks of your well known name. Sorry Buddy! I have felt the pain of being unjustly accused. Ed

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  19. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 15, 2013 at 6:29:00 PM EDT

    The anti-police brutality demonstration declared illegal. One cop injured!!!!
    Bunch of anarchists!!!

    http://live.montrealgazette.com/Event/Live_Anti-police_brutality_march

    The pics speak for themselves!!!
    How much taxpayer money is wasted?

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    1. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 15, 2013 at 6:36:00 PM EDT

      BTW there are no demonstrations here in Calgary and I heard nothing about Edmonton.
      I asked some co-workers if they've ever heard about the "international day of anti-police brutality". They looked confused and said no.
      Why is it always about quebec when it comes to time wasting, useless causes, and such?

      Second cop injured:
      http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2013/03/15/montreal-anti-police-brutality-march.html

      Anarchists/pro unions/marxists will flip over and burn police cars, throw bricks at cops, smash windows, and then after being arrested, videos of the arrests will be on you tube stating "Police suppress anti-police brutality march."
      Then the taxpayers of Montreal will be given a hefty bill for property damage, police overtime, court expenses, cleanup etc...

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    2. Instead of being an "Anti (Police Brutality) demonstration", it was an "(Anti Police) (Brutality demonstration".

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    3. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 15, 2013 at 7:08:00 PM EDT

      ???

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    4. Nothing in Ottawa and Toronto. Only in socialist Quebec.

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    5. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 15, 2013 at 7:39:00 PM EDT

      Yes, very typical of the distinct society.
      I love watching quebekistan go down...;)
      I bet you all that all the costs related to last year's student demonstrations was a whackload of cash that could probably have paid for all the tuition hikes.
      To add insult to injury, quebecois voted for that Bureau-Blouin dude...
      wow...

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    6. @un gars bs de clagary

      "Why is it always about quebec when it comes to time wasting, useless causes, and such?"

      you support police brutality?!?!?

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    7. And yet another useless, deceitful example of Reductio ad absurdum from the schoolboy. (Thanks, Apparatchik!) $9.50/hour for this? Really?

      http://bit.ly/zQKx6U

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    8. @equanimity

      do you also consider police brutality to be a "useless cause" to protest against?

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    9. And yet another useless, deceitful example of Reductio ad absurdum from the schoolboy. (Thanks, Apparatchik!) $9.50/hour for this? Really?

      http://bit.ly/zQKx6U

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    10. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYSaturday, March 16, 2013 at 7:12:00 AM EDT

      @equanimity

      Awesome. I had to tell two days ago that I refused to address him as I do not argue with idiots. He contributes ZERO here. At least if he had great points to debate about quebec supremacists it would be refreshing, but alas, no.
      student is just your very, very average troll.

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    12. student
      You cannot use that screen name

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    13. Alright, Editor.

      From this day forward, I will call myself for what I am.

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  20. Hey everyone = let's put more pressure on these seppies and support Alliance Quebec 2.0 - sign the petition
    https://snt145.mail.live.com/default.aspx#n=1975159712&fid=1&mid=97bfeb7b-8d70-11e2-870a-00237de469bc&fv=1

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    1. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 15, 2013 at 7:11:00 PM EDT

      No thanks! But good luck!
      Here in Alberta it's all about the Wildrose Party!!!

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    2. Seriously? Danielle over Alison Redford?

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    3. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 15, 2013 at 8:08:00 PM EDT

      Of course.
      Unless you live in Alberta you need to read about what happened here since King Ralph retired from politics.

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    4. Dunno where Un gars hangs out, but everyone I know prefers Allison Redford over Danielle. Which is why Danielle got her ass handed over to her in the last elections.

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    5. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 15, 2013 at 8:19:00 PM EDT

      Whatever. Of course the PC won a majority here.
      Again, unless you live here, you cant understand the atmospherics...

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    6. I do live here, and I resent your patronizing tone.

      The polls were all giving the wildrose a wide lead - then woops! Humiliating defeat on election day, once everyone had a rational second thought.

      It's because the wildrose are excited hillbillies.

      Personally I'm very happy that in Redford we have someone who will take us out of the Reactionary state that was Alberta under Ralph Klein. It was kind of embarassing to Canada.

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    7. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 15, 2013 at 8:36:00 PM EDT

      I respect your biased opinion.
      Good luck in life.

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  21. We need the Wildrose Party or the Sask Party in Quebec. We need a Premier like Brad Wall! spurring economic growth is important. Sorry but the Alliance Quebec, or Equality party, will only reopen the old debate of the past.

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    1. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 15, 2013 at 7:46:00 PM EDT

      I could not agree more.
      No more stupid social-democrat debates!!!

      quebec needs to get out of its $1/4 trillion debtload by exploiting its natural resources and to assert itself as a proud province, contributing to Canada's overall well being.
      Plan Nord was a great idea, apart from partisan politics. Too bad, the tree hugging hippies/marxists actually do mind control of sucky quebecois...
      "Aim for Mediocrity" should replace "je me souviens" on quebekistan licence plates....

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  22. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 15, 2013 at 7:51:00 PM EDT

    Apparently, being so close to the end of the fiscal year, Imperatif Francais is running out of budget money and had to lay off student & S.R.
    At least they'll stop trolling here until April 1st, start of the new fiscal year:)

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  23. I am so happy I left Quebec (Canada, a funny country)... Both anglos and francos are pathetics morons.

    A former canadian guy in Europe who pissed on his canandian passport, and would renew his passport (even he doesn't need it) just to shit on it ...

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    1. I'm sure you can find cheaper toilet paper at Walmart

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    2. And I'm sure we could respond in kind to whatever passport you would prefer to carry. We happen to be proud of our country so go shit some other place.

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  24. It ain't that simple. I don't know what's in the Charter. There's a lot of stuff I don't know. I do know that while you're all grossly exaggerating about being ethnically cleansed and making up pasta scandals, you're not getting real information across, and I'm not learning what your real issues are. Just lots of noise.
    Believe me, I am extremely interested in the native question. I can assure you that if some sort of country named Ojibwayana existed, I would have gone there long ago.
    If you don't know what ethnic cleansing is, I can keep reminding you. There are a few reasons why I should. I love Quebec, and having it accused of committing ethnic cleansing is horrible. I also don't like Quebec being the object of smear campaigns. Stick to facts, then we can discuss them.
    I also happen to be an anglophone from western Canada, brought up in the Saguenay(in english), on an airforce base, where we children were taught contempt for the surrounding francophone population. Our parents never told us to be contemptuous of the francos, we just absorbed it from them, rejecting everything french around us; tv, radio, language, schooling, even the geography of the region itself.
    As a teenager I was disconnected from the franco population. I did learn a bit of french, and through the friendliness of the Quebecois I later befriended, I came to identify with them and learn the language.
    I know this contempt, this rejection of many things french, still exists among anglos, and it is stifling.
    It is said this site is for anglo questions. Well, I'm an anglo with another point of view.

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    1. Yes well CFB Bagotville, and all other military installation for that matter, have a different set of politics. Most military members are very conservative and patriotic. While it is true that some anglophone are still francpphobic, most anglophone are not francophobic. For example, Ontario repealed regulation 17, that banned schools from teaching french after grade 2. Ontario introduced TFO, a publicly funded french educational TV station. In Toronto, their is a large french gathering to celebrate French culture called Franco-Fete, , this year they will gather at Young and Dundas, one of the busiest square in the city. Their is a french community paper in many cities and their offices aren't vandalized. Our Prime Minister speaks french, even in Calgary and Vancouver, with no anger.

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    2. Growing up in Bagotville is extremely atypical.

      I too love Quebec and having it accused of committing ethnic cleansing is indeed horrible. It is also factual.

      Children who grow up in the Saguenay all too often were taught contempt for the anglophones who helped to develop the area's economy. They weren't taught it by their parents, they just absorbed it by osmosis, rejecting everything that could help them expand beyond their own little bubble.

      I know this contempt, this rejection of many things non-French, still exists among francos, and it is stifling.

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    3. To Liam--The military is maybe the most powerful indoctrination machine there is. Whatever they want you become, you will be. So it is that it's not only english canadian families that have the contempt for the french, but also the franco families themselves! My Quebecois father didn't bat an eye as all his children were brought up in english only. Nor did most of the other franco parents. I wonder how many tens of thousands of franco children the canadian military system turned into nice little anglo children? This certainly qualifies as institutional assimilation.
      As for the abolition of french across Canada; yes, they did reopen the schools in one or more provinces. They reopened them a few generations later, long enough so that the cycle of transmission of language and culture was broken. Applied, tried and trusted political science knows how to break cultures.
      My brother who speaks ok french and lives in Edmonton, sent his 5 kids to french immersion. None of them speak it in or out of the house. Outside of Quebec, french is done fer.
      I also lived 8 years in different parts of Canada; four as a child, four as an adult. French isn't happening.

      To R.S--Like I say, I don't mind reminding you what ethnic cleaning means.

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    4. "It ain't that simple. I don't know what's in the Charter. There's a lot of stuff I don't know. I do know that while you're all grossly exaggerating about being ethnically cleansed and making up pasta scandals, you're not getting real information across, and I'm not learning what your real issues are. Just lots of noise."

      Its pretty obvious that the virulent Quebec nationalist previously posting as 'Anonymous' on this thread has chosen the new handle of 'Ojibwa'. He still focusing on past transgressions like the treatment of Natives as a means to excuse the current objectionable behavior of separatists. I'm surprised he didn't rave about the terrible British Empire again.

      I also think his recent posts are a total fabrication. I'm sure he's very familiar with the Charter of the French Language, and I doubt he is an Anglophone from western Canada who ever lived on a military base in Quebec.

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  25. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 15, 2013 at 8:23:00 PM EDT

    PQ shooting itself in foot about hiking mine royalties:
    http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/Quebec+higher+mining+royalties+hurt+competitiveness+minister/8105009/story.html

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    1. Critics oppose royalties that are now 32 times higher than they were 10 years ago

      Meanwhile, Ontario is being critised by left-wing rabble.ca for not increasing the mining tax.
      http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/miningwatch/2012/03/ontario-government-misses-opportunity-increase-revenues-mining
      Only socialist can believe that passing a tax increase will create jobs and grow the economy, especially in the mining sector which can fluctuate quickly.

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    2. @liam

      "Critics oppose royalties that are now 32 times higher than they were 10 years ago..."

      source please. this sounds like a top notch phony number.

      "Only socialist can believe that passing a tax increase will create jobs and grow the economy..."

      why wouldn't it liam? how do you know we are already passed the optimal tax rate on minerals? is it because you beleive the mining lobby, or do you have another reasoning to put forward?

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    3. The source is in the original post. You didn't even look at it. Is $9.50/hour really worth it?

      Idiot.

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    4. @equanimity

      thanks, here's all there is about the number:

      "A Quebec Chamber of Commerce representative responded that Quebec mining royalties are now 32 times higher than they were 10 years ago."

      the dude says so because his profits have exploded by that order. related taxes have logically followed suite. so technically he is not wrong. although the more relevant relative number is obvisouly less impressive.

      @liam

      you see? it's easy to make numbers look like you want them to look. next time don't be so naive. the chamber of commerce rep is not in this for you, mate.

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  26. Hey guys - no one, so far, has any better offers or ideas than Alliance Quebec and the Equality Party - we have to start somewhere and this is the opportunity to get needed attention. If something better comes along, we can look at them but for now, let's take action anyway and every way we can. I'm not saying things can't change, but do something to change things - don't just sit back and let it all come down on us without a fight. Talking to a guy today who bought a house in centre town Ottawa and in 10 years it has tripled in value whereas our homes continue to take a beating all because of these fools. I don't intend to do nothing for the next 10 years except bitch and expect for some miracle - hopefully we can help create a miracle by taking some kind of action.

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    1. I know some realtor in Ontario report a 20% boost in clients from Quebec when the PQ take power. I don't know what more you want Cutie. The only party that promised to reduce the size of the government was the Coalition for Quebec Future and you rejected them because Legault was a former separatist. We need lower tax, smaller government, less corruption, less public sector union, to attract companies but you rejected Legault. I can't propose anything more.

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    2. Liam = you do not get the fact that if the CAQ are elected and even do half of what they say they are still a separatist party and the optics alone to the ROC will kill any chance we may ever have of partitioning this province and letting those areas leave that insist this is the only way for there to be any peace in this country. We simply cannot vote, en mass, for a separatist party - our future for ever would be tainted with the illusion that we are ALL seeking independence and we could never, ever hope for any assistance whatsoever from the feds or any other province to help us remain Canadian. Even the rest of the world would see this as a solid support in quebec for independence by the TOTAL population. People would assume that a solid majority want independence - do you not see that happening? I certainly do! Even if they help us economically, they would kill us politically.

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    3. I don't think you should view it on a separatist/federalist scale but on the fact we need economic growth. Plus, Legault promised not to reopen the constitutional debate. I think the feds want to see Quebec take real action to lower it's debt, and attract business. And beside, the CAQ will not try to separate without a referendum, so if they turn out to be disguised separatist we can tell them no, then.

      For 40 years, Quebec have let the debate on the future of Quebec become the driving force, while ignoring the economy. I don't want to debate with you, but I think EP and AQ are misguided in trying to reopen the issue.

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    4. @cutie003

      "People would assume that a solid majority want independence - do you not see that happening?"

      dude just yesterday you wrote in capital letters that you so crave a referendum on quebec's sovereignty. you changed your mind again?

      @liam

      see this conclusion from cutie003:

      "Even if they help us economically, they would kill us politically."

      that's what you're fighting against liam. she doesn't want quebec to improve economically. she knows that if this happens she'll be left with nothing to scare french canadians away from independance. depressing the economy of her own province is a price she is willing to pay for her beloved canada to remain intact. she's a good example of nationalism gone bad.

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    5. The CAQ's upcoming vote on Bill 14 will be their litmus test. If they don’t reject it in its entirety (meaning that they believe in restricting fundamental rights), then trusting them with the economy while rejecting them at a later date will be akin to believing Marois’ election night pledge that the PQ will “protect our rights”, or that a vote for the PQ would not be a vote for another referendum.

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    6. FROM ED

      Liam, I can't believe you would elect a man who praises murderers. Do you also agree that Khadir shoukld applaud Paul Rose the killer of Pierre laPaorte. Paul Rose is the same man that francois Legault applauded in 1981. So if you approve of Legault you must also approve of Khadir. Why can't you wait a few weeks to see what the new Liberal leader has to offer. Ed

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      Cutie, It's no use Liam is not able to see the big picture. Legault has said he will not raise separatism for ten years which of course tells companies don't set up in Quebec, it may be only for ten years. You can't depend on having a future here. EITHER YOU ARE A FEDERALIST OR A SEPARATIST, YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH IN YOUR HEART. Legault is a fence sitter waiting to see which option will offer him the most. Ed

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    8. Liam my friend - as you can see our resident troll agrees with you on voting for Mr. Legault and his nazi co-worker. This alone should tell you that this is not a move we can afford to take even for the supposed "good" of the economy. We must support these groups that are willing to put out money and effort to defeat these people - that is one thing that the separatists have that we don't - people willing to put their money and reputation on the line for their principles. The more we can support these people like Alliance Quebec, CRITIQ and Equality Party 2.0, the more voices we will have against the separatists. In the end, coordinated efforts will emerge and we need all the spokesmen we can muster. You may not agree with everything that they propose, but at least they are taking action which we desperately need.

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    9. @ed

      "...Paul Rose the killer of Pierre laPaorte."

      that's quite a heavy lie to carry around. you must have a good reason to do it. what is it?

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    10. I’d also like to remind readers that the Editor has also written a couple articles about the victims of the FLQ, including a post from a reader of this blog who stated:

      "My father's uncle is Wilfred Vincent O'Neil who was killed by the FLQ! It's too bad what happen back then as our family still misses him yet today! "

      Posted by Crystal O'Neil (Gaspesie,QC) Jan.05/11 The War Measures Act- 40 Years Later


      The bomb that killed Wilfred O’Neil was made by Raymond Villeneuve, the PQ volunteer who, finding it not radical enough to his liking, later founded the Mouvement de Libération Nationale du Québec after the 1995 referendum. He is alive and free today.

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    11. “Do you also agree that Khadir shoukld applaud Paul Rose the killer of Pierre laPaorte”

      And on that subject: Too bad Khadir back-tracked and won’t table the motion after all. It would have been veryyyyyy interesting indeed to see where it would have gone and what all the seppie parties would have done.

      I mean had they’d even contemplated doing something to honor P Rose, they’d been up from more International ridicule, for reverence to a murderer and terrorist. Think about it, no one can engineer this kind of economic sabotage to this province, like these fools do.

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    12. @anectote

      "...they’d been up from more International ridicule, for reverence to a murderer and terrorist."

      who did paul rose murder, mate?

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    13. Paul Rose was the leader of the Chenier Cell, and convicted for the murder of Paul Rose.
      Next up, Pontiac, Outaouais, and Western Laurentian will separate from Quebec whenever separatist want. A partitioned Quebec will be a win win for everybody. The Province of Western Quebec will be free to built Highway 550 and extend highway 50 to Pembroke, thus benefiting our industry. Also, the trucking problem in Ottawa will benefit from working with us. Our priority will be working Healthcare, Education and Transportation, no socialized daycare, no socialized language police, no foreign embassies. We will collaborate with the City of Ottawa and Renfrew County as proud Canadian working for the benefit of Western Quebec and Eastern Ontario. Western Quebeckers are proud canadian.

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  27. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 15, 2013 at 9:14:00 PM EDT

    "Talking to a guy today who bought a house in centre town Ottawa and in 10 years it has tripled in value"

    The guy obviously lied to you.
    Check the resale stats on CREA Ottawa. Prices only doubled in 13 years:
    http://creastats.crea.ca/otta/mls/mls05_median.htm
    And since those resale prices were off the charts compared to inflation, you will see a price correction as soon as interest rates go up.

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    1. Location, location, location - know him well and know what he has been offered so not all stats apply to all cases - he is selling next week.

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    2. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYFriday, March 15, 2013 at 9:59:00 PM EDT

      Maybe you should move in his 'hood...
      BTW please be more polite with your vocabulary, you are a lady. Or are you?

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    3. Are you talking to me? What are you talking about? Where was I not polite with my "vocabulary"? And if anyone on this blog is not polite, I would look back at some of my own posts if I were you. And if I had the money needed from the sale of my home, which would be worth at least twice as much in any other province, I would probably have moved to his "'hood" a long time ago. Why not offer pertinent advice to people on this blog rather than putting everyone here in the same boat? We are not all "separatists" or "pathetic" or able to leave as you have done.

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    4. @cutie003

      but wouldn't living in a smaller home in ontario better for your health, cutie003?

      don't get me wrong, i think you should change your attitude and stay, but i still wonder why you don't leave. i mean a smaller home would be a small price to pay i think for you to finally get away from racist nazi genocidal seppie communist bigot french zealot crazies. or am i missing something?

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  28. http://lesnews.ca/politique/40251-commission-charbonneau-le-pq-et-le-plq-eclabousses-par-snc-lavalin/

    PQ caught cheating.

    That why S.R. and Student are silent!

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    1. oh yeah...big surprise. THEY ALL CHEAT!

      Earlier today a friend called who is visiting from Europe, she moved away almost 30 years ago and basically she was recounting how absolutely horrible things are back home. She said something that stuck with me though, she said: “How hard is it, for someone to go to Power and just do the right thing by the people? Ascend to power, be well-intentioned, and have the courage to remain ethical?”

      Power is corrupting indeed, and what my friend was asking perhaps is a naive question, but is it too much to ask for, When we elect people, they do right by us, The Citizens?

      What folly this pretence is, I’d laugh but it’s really very sad.

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  29. FROM ED
    To all of you out there:- When you speak of ethnic cleansing being done by Quebec. Who are you referring to as Quebec. Do you mean the government, the PQ party, the separatists or the people in general. I'm sure the majority of people here are kind hearted and would not think of such a thing but if you lump us all togetheras Quebec we are being accused of something that's intolerable to us.
    Ed

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    1. Guys, no one is ethnically cleansing anyone here. Not the PQ, not the sovereignists. No one. Are you comparing yourselves to what's happening to canadian native peoples?

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    2. How do you explain that Quebec City used to be half anglophone/Irish in the 19th century (see Simons department store) and is less than 1.5% anglophone today?

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    3. R.S--I thought I once read that it was once 17% Anglo....Well, please, YOU explain it.

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    4. JP

      If you take away a person's ability to provide for their family they will move away. Language laws have forced whole industries to relocate outside Quebec. This is all about getting as many "NO" voters to move away as possible so the "YES" side can eek out a win the next time.

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    5. Yes, we are well-aware that the PQ is hell-bent on chasing away people and businesses who disagree with them in the hope to eke out a wafer-thin majority. They were even foolish enough to publicly acknowledge that their intention is to seek out as many fights with the federal government as possible in order to demonstrate how federalism "doesn't work"!!

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    Quebec had a heavy english population due to the irish escaping the potato famine. Quebec was the first stop coming to canada. Also the sinking of the Empress of Ireland with 3000 souls aboard, the survivors were mostly brought to Quebec city.
    However as children grew up and moved south to the universities and employment they simply never went back. Ed

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    1. All very valid points. Some of my own ancestors fall into that category as well (as it does for half of all Quebecers). However, this doesn't explain why francophones weren't equally driven to move south seeking education and employment. Quebec City is a peerless assimilation machine, to my knowledge.

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    2. Incidentally, the collision that caused the sinking of the Empress of Ireland resulted in the largest number of deaths for any Canadian peacetime maritime accident to this day. However, there were only 1,477 people on board, with 1,012 deaths. The wreck is still accessible for divers near Father Point (Pointe-au-Père), not far from Rimouski. I’ve been to the museum there!

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      R.S
      You are right. I saw that after i published 3000 was wrong. Thanks for correcting that. I don't like putting up wrong facts. The number of deaths could ahve been less if the Storstad had not reversed engines. Captain Kendal asked the First Officer Toftenes on the collier to stay in to block the hole but he reversed anyway. Ed

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    4. @ed

      "I don't like putting up wrong facts."

      apart from the rose killing laporte wrong fact, right? that one you seem to like.

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  31. You know what would be more worthwhile than praising a terrorist murderer in Quebec’s National Assembly? Praising the man who risked his life to protect Quebecers from the FLQ’s murderous violence, Sgt.-Major Walter (Rocky) Leja (1921–1992).

    He was the Polish-Canadian military hero who dismantled two separatist bombs hidden in a mailbox at the corner of Lansdowne and Westmount Avenues in 1963 by FLQ member (and future Journal de Montréal journalist) Jean-Denis Lamoureux (who was hired by René Levesque in 1984 to be his chief of communications). A third bomb cost Leja most of his left arm. His face and chest were crushed. He suffered brain damage, lost the ability to speak and became paralyzed on his right side. He spent 29 1/2 years of pain and suffering at the Veterans Hospital in Ste. Anne de Bellevue before finally dying.

    He’s the one who should be declared a hero. If you want, “like” this Facebook page, “Declare Walter Leja a Hero/Déclarer Walter Leja un héros”:

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Declare-Walter-Leja-a-HeroD%C3%A9clarer-Walter-Leja-un-h%C3%A9ros/561039997247196?ref=stream

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    1. Such a lack of recognition for someone who gave up his life on the line to save others.

      Compare that to those who upheld their ideals by placing bombs that would harm those who had nothing to do with their struggle.

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    2. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYSaturday, March 16, 2013 at 7:20:00 AM EDT

      Mr. Leja will be trivialized by our two trolls.

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  32. From the francophone press: an opinion about the Quebec Civil Service’s view regarding the Bill 14 hearings from a columnist at La Presse. After all the jumping through hoops that Canada goes through in order to accommodate francophones, RoC anglophones will (probably) be astounded at the attitude that is found in Quebec’s civil service.

    SFPQ: On the "bilingualization" of the civil service
    13 MARCH 2013 by JOANNE MARCOTTE

    "We are witnessing the bilingualization of the civil service and we wish to further strengthen the Charter of the French language." According to the president of the Public Service Union of Quebec (SFPQ), Lucie Martineau, there has been "for a good decade at least, a bilingualization of the civil service because of the lack of coercion.” No offense to critics but one must take her at her word.

    "Our members face pressure to speak English in the civil service," she says. As proof, the employer proposes, during the collective bargaining process, a "bilingualism bonus", which is proof, she says, of their pressure to "bilingualize" the civil service.

    On the other hand, Madam is offended by the fact that its members are not paid enough. "They feel they provide services and are not be paid for what they provide, because one knows that in Canada, there is a bonus for bilingualism, while in Quebec, there is not." Well, c’mon, do they want it or not, this bilingualism bonus?

    According to Ms. Martineau, life is tough in the civil service. People are afraid of complaints if they do not provide service in English, they are afraid of not respecting the law if they do, and they panic at the idea of asking companies that are headquartered in Quebec to provide their documents in French. Should one ask? Automatically? What are the instructions, exactly? "And then people ask us: do we have the right to refuse to speak in English?” Holy mackerel, what a dilemma! Can you believe it? That there are people who ask this question?

    The SFPQ has a whistleblower policy for telephone messages, she tells the parliamentary committee that is studying Bill No. 14. This "Press 9 for English" should be corrected on outgoing voicemail messages. Even worse (!), someone would have had some trouble in changing a citizen’s language code that indicates in which language the civil service should address them. Boy oh boy...

    Ms. Martineau finds that there are many contradictions in Bill 14. On the one hand, one cannot fire someone because they don’t know English; on the other hand, one can if it is shown that English is required... She would have preferred that there be "support measures" for employees who do not master English. Just off the top of my head, I'd be tempted to suggest to her that intensive English be taught in 6th grade for all young Quebecers whose parents wish it. That would be one thing settled already. But no... it would be a lost cause.

    As a good union representative whose main interest is to increase her union dues, Ms. Martineau begrudges community groups who have been entrusted with the integration of newcomers. "For us, it is clear: the task of integrating newcomers into the Quebec State belongs to the Quebec State and to State officials," she says. AH-HAH! In the end, Ms. Martineau would like to increase her membership by recovering the integration of newcomers to Quebec.

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    1. The most revealing moment, in my opinion, was the exchange between Liberal Marc Tanguay and Ms. Martineau. There we see how one manages to get the union representative to reveal her true thoughts. We also see in the statement made by Geoffrey Kelly, MNA for Jacques-Cartier, what distance there is between English-speaking citizens who feel it quite within their rights to obtain government services in English and the resistance from the Public Servants’ union to offer them.

      If Ms. Martineau’s statement has demonstrated anything at all, it is that judgement and common sense perhaps no longer exist in the civil service. The repeated requests for “clear guidelines” and for “clear rules” are troubling. Is there no more judgement in the civil service? Is the staff not sufficiently qualified?

      Finally, one other thing that Ms. Martineau’s statement demonstrates is that the word "bilingualization" has become THE buzzword. Intensive teaching in Grade 6 is being sold as the "bilingualization" of Quebec’s school system. Offering services in English to English-speaking citizens is akin to requiring the "bilingualization" of the entire civil service. Mario Beaulieu is making himself hoarse trying to make us believe in "institutional bilingualization”...

      I don’t believe it one single bit. The term "bilingualization" is far too dramatic and betrays, once again, the visceral fear of disappearing if franco-Quebecers master a second language such as English.

      But above all, all that it proves is that we have developed the art of making a few lapses in judgement and competence a matter worthy for a parliamentary commission, something that needs to be regulated even more and something which would make turn in upon ourselves even more.

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    2. By the way, these are the replies/comments so far:

      Marc-Eric says:
      March 13, 2013 at 18:48
      This demonstrates once again the psychosis of our separatist friends regarding the intellectual enrichment of Quebec’s upcoming generation. One can also see it in other spheres of our society: the ubiquitousness of our daycares, of our health system, our universities and skills. As soon as someone excels, we call them back ASAP to be the same as everyone else. We need some sort of control for power in Quebec and to stop focusing on small minority groups.

      yvon grenier says:
      March 13, 2013 at 19:52
      In my work, I use French and I use English as necessary. If I need to communicate with an anglophone, I do it in his language. This does not mean that I deny my roots. I mostly watch French TV, even when I'm in Vancouver on business. This damned fear lest we lose our language and our roots is, I think, nothing but PQ paranoia, as Marc-Éric says so well.

      Julien says:
      March 14, 2013 at 18:02
      I worked for 25 years in the federal public service. At the Ministry of National Defence, it is simple: if an employee is not francophone, they will reply in English. Does that bother you? Well, too bad for you. No Bill 101 nor regulations, simply the refusal to use a language other than English. I tell you that one quickly learns in such a situation.

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    3. "yvon grenier says:
      March 13, 2013 at 19:52
      In my work, I use French and I use English as necessary. If I need to communicate with an anglophone, I do it in his language. This does not mean that I deny my roots. I mostly watch French TV, even when I'm in Vancouver on business. This damned fear lest we lose our language and our roots is, I think, nothing but PQ paranoia, as Marc-Éric says so well"

      Guess what yvon grenier, you win the nobel prize for Logic and Reason. Give this man a cigar! Bravo!!

      Now how difficult is it to think this way? Is it rocket science?

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  33. That picture of the emaciated puppy and the lovely dog with bullet shards permanently lodged in its brain make me feel so ashamed. They also make me appreciate how well-cared-for my own pets are even more. What is the matter with people here?!? It completely escapes me.

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    1. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYSaturday, March 16, 2013 at 7:22:00 AM EDT

      "What is the matter with people here?!? It completely escapes me."

      Please do not generalize. Not all quebecois are acting in that way. They're everywhere, a few persons here and there suffering some mental ilness; in Alberta, Brazil, China, etc.

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      R.S Don't pay any attention to Une gars he likes to jump in with an inane response that has nothing to do with your subject.. You are right Quebecers do not care for their animals. Throughout Quebec countryside you will see dogs chained in backyards supposedly to protect the house but uncared for by their owners. The french generally do not see them as pets but more like servants as in the days of the horses who really were servants of mankind. Ed

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    3. One of my cats, I found in my backyard, thinking that she had only one eye. The other one was crusted shut with a BB pellet lodged in the eyelid. WTF? Who would shoot a cat in the eye with a BB gun?? She had broken teeth, a hernia, was pregnant with dead kittens, hardly able to even meow. Now she's happy, walking all over my keyboard, all better. And I always thought I was a dog person!

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    4. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYSaturday, March 16, 2013 at 9:10:00 AM EDT

      Ok Ed so I'm calling you:
      "You are right Quebecers do not care for their animals."
      So obviously you stated that ALL, 100% quebecois DO NOT care for their animals. So following your own logic, you abuse animals as well since you live there.

      "The french generally do not see them as pets but more like servants as in the days of the horses who really were servants of mankind."

      There you go. See you don't make sense, old bitter man.
      You are as racist and shallow minded as the quebecois you hate so badly (ironic!!!)

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    5. Hey R.S. - Well done - I too fail to see why a lot of quebec society do not take care of their animals. The laws here have always been very lax in protecting our furry little friends from abuse. Again, the government does not take appropriate action when required, as in many, many other areas of responsibility. When I look at my dogs, I always remember that they are family members and are treated as such. I couldn't live with myself if I abused helpless creatures.

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    6. You know Un Gars, you're girlfriend is right - don't bother with this blog any more - it's a waste of your time and ours. Go enjoy your super rich life in Calgary with your newly acquired francophone friends and leave us to hell alone. You never offer anything but criticism of both sides of the debate and only extol the virtues of living in Calgary. The tourist bureau of Alberta could use your services - not us.

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    R.S
    "However, this doesn't explain why francophones weren't equally driven to move south seeking education"
    Francophones weren't interested in education. The Catholic Church which controlled education back then didn't promote it.
    Here in Verdun we had 3 english elementary schools and the one high school went to grade twelve. There were 11 french elementary schools and one high school that went to grade 10. An R.C. wanting more had to go to downtown Montreal. There was also an English high school for the handful of english catholics. The church insisted on large families for catholics. Babies can live on milk and diapres but teenagers need much more. Usually by the time a boy hit fourteen he was seeking employment.. Ed

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  35. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYSaturday, March 16, 2013 at 7:29:00 AM EDT

    250 arrests at Montreal's "17th International Day of Anti-Police Brutality".

    At least 150 people left the protest with a $637 fine because of their participation in the illegal event.
    Two police officers were taken to hospital.
    SPVM spokesman: "It looks like a sport now. Some people are coming to different protests because they want to have a good time".
    LOL!!!
    Why aren't those folks working? No jobs? Why?
    Also: if the event was "international" why no demonstrations or protests in Toronto, New-York, Paris? Anyone knows. Why only in quebekistan?
    There were no such demonstrations here in Calgary. Maybe because folks all work here...

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    1. Guess why? The “International Day Against Police Brutality” was invented in Montreal, in conjunction with an anarchist group in Switzerland (I guess that’s what technically makes it “international”). Never mind Paris, New York or Toronto, they don’t even have it Quebec City.

      In other words, it’s a joke.

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  36. Anyone not in jail this morning isn;t a real Quebecer.

    No blood test passing seppie with any self worth would be hanging around a blog like this trolling when REAL seppie work can be done in protests and riots like last nights.

    Anti-police, anti-capitalism, anti-canada, anti-car, anti-oil, anti-job anti-logic and no brain.

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    1. From Quebec's Proud Canadians:

      Thousands of taxpayers’ dollars were spent yesterday to stop the anti-police brutality march in Montreal downtown. 250 ticketed during the annual standoff between police and anti-police protesters. What purpose does the anti-police brutality march serve? And why is this woman [err… it might be a dude] so happy after being arrested? Is rioting in Montreal yet another form of extreme sport?

      https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=430649430357229&set=a.419992231422949.101719.419979058090933&type=1&relevant_count=1

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    1. So true!!

      Jonathan Kay: With the claim of ‘soft ethnocide,’ Quebec’s separatists reach a pathetic new low

      Eleven years ago, when Quebec’s provincial government announced it was going to boycott the Golden Jubilee, Mark Steyn provided the definitive explanation for why separatism in that province is doomed. I’m open to persuasion on the separatist thing,” he told readers. “If Quebec declared independence tomorrow, I’d stick around here. I love the land, I love the food, I love the women. “Given the choice between another 20 years under Papa Jean [Chrétien] or a leap into the unknown with a bunch of economic illiterates in thrall to North America’s laziest unions, I’d be willing to take a flyer on the latter, just for a laugh. But it’s never going to happen, and sniping about the Queen is a good example of why the PQ’s doomed … It’s small-minded, and successful nationalist movements need to be grand and romantic.”

      At the risk of giving helpful advice to Pauline Marois, I’d say she might take a lesson here. From the point of view of the rest of Canada, the biggest turn-off about Quebec separatism these days isn’t the fact that something like a quarter or a third of Quebecers want to leave Canada — it’s the sad, crabby, passive-aggressive nature of the whole project.

      From the top of Mont-Tremblant to the boardwalk on Hallandale Beach, one of Quebec’s claims to “distinct” society status is its flair and joie-de-vivre. Instead, we get a bunch of sour-faced mandarins snooping through municipal newsletters and workplace bulletin boards for English phrases. Who wants to start a new country with a bunch of pouters and professional victims? Even Quebec’s own separatist cadres realize this is a problem: Witness the emergence of the Option Nationale, whose ads and messaging during the 2012 provincial election welcomed Anglophones, and deliberately emphasized the positive aspects of Quebec nation-building.

      The latest outbreak of separatist grievance-mongering comes in the form of a new PQ-funded report that claims Ottawa is allowing Anglophone provinces to commit “soft ethnocide” on French speakers around the country. “We’re reminding people of the evolution of Canada when we systematically eliminated French at the start of the 20th century,” said the lead author this week.

      What’s “ethnocide” you ask? It’s an obscure term, very occasionally seen in UN reports about Burundi and the hunter-gatherer tribes of the Amazon basin, and such. According to an online encyclopedia, it’s a term that came about during the Jewish holocaust: “The concept of ethnocide was created at the same time as the concept of genocide in 1944 in the United States by Raphael Lemkin, a Polish-born lawyer. Ethnocide is a term that is an alternative to genocide according to Lemkin. The terms were created precisely in regard to the persecution of the Jews by the Nazis in the Second World War … For some, [the term now] is also used interchangeably with the term ‘cultural genocide.’ ”

      Wow — cultural genocide. What monsters we Anglophones have become.

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    2. The reality, of course, is that the greatest act of “ethnocide” (if we are to use that term with a straight face in this context) was self-inflicted by Francophones during the Quiet Revolution. For it was during that period that almost all of the truly distinctive aspects of French-Canadian culture — including farm life, the cultural domination of the Catholic church, and French monolingualism — were swept away by secularism, urbanization, the consumer society, television, and the sexual revolution. And every single one of these latter cultural influences remains powerfully rooted (and even celebrated) in Quebec society to this day — meaning that the “ethnocide” of French Canada is proceeding right under Pauline Marois’ own nose. Ethnocidally speaking, she’s a regular Idi Amin.

      The biggest turn-off about Quebec separatism these days isn’t the fact that something like a quarter or a third of Quebecers want to leave Canada — it’s the sad, crabby, passive-aggressive nature of the whole project. According to this week’s report, Quebec’s ethnocide brigade also is upset that Quebec has a decreasing share of Canada’s population (and, therefore, Parliamentary representation). But surely Ms. Marois knows how babies are made. And I really don’t see how the Anglophones — putting aside all of our other schemes — can be blamed for French-Canadian family planning choices.

      Of course, the best way to fight French “ethnocide” in the rest of Canada would be for French-speaking parents to send their children to French schools — and, if no such schools are available, to demand the creation of more. The reason that isn’t happening has nothing to do with any evil conspiracy to commit “ethnocide.” Rather, Canadian parents — English and French alike — are surveying Canada’s economic landscape, and realizing that few of the opportunities available to their children will come from Quebec, which persists as a have-not welfare state that survives largely on the basis of equalization handouts from Alberta.

      If the PQ truly were serious about addressing the roots of “ethnocide,” they would be repairing their province’s economy, instead of making hysterical claims that cast Canada’s French-speakers as victims of an epic crime.


      National Post
      jkay@nationalpost.com

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    3. How come this guy is not in prison?! just his quotes following 9/11 are encouraging terrorism.

      « Je suis jaloux beaucoup [de ce qui a été fait à New York]. Ce type d'action-là, on ne pourra jamais faire ça. Mais moi, ce que j'avais pensé, c'était des camions-citernes. Il semble que même Ben Laden y a pensé. Faire sauter des camions-citernes, c'est plus facile que de détourner des avions. Ça peut être à Toronto comme ça peut être dans l'ouest de l'île de Montréal où il y a beaucoup de Canadiens »

      « Ce qu'on peut constater, c'est que les gens au Québec, comme au Canada et aux États-Unis, n'ont pas l'expérience de la guerre. Donc ils réagissent, l'instinct premier, c'est d'avoir peur. Mais, les peuples, en général, s'habituent à la guerre. Je pense que le peuple québécois s'habituerait à une guerre de libération. S'il y avait beaucoup d'attentats, le monde s'habituerait. »

      Sick.

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    4. Meanwhile didn’t they make sure they chased down the guy who commended R. Bain on Facebook? Didn’t they make sure he even lost his job or something? Mmm..I seem to recall something like that.

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    5. The guy you're thinking of was fired by his own company, the government had nothing to do with it.

      Having someone say "I hope the assassin doesn't miss next time" reflects rather badly on the company after all.

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    6. "Je suis jaloux beaucoup [de ce qui a été fait à New York]. Ce type d'action-là, on ne pourra jamais faire ça. Mais moi, ce que j'avais pensé, c'était des camions-citernes. Il semble que même Ben Laden y a pensé. Faire sauter des camions-citernes, c'est plus facile que de détourner des avions. Ça peut être à Toronto comme ça peut être dans l'ouest de l'île de Montréal où il y a beaucoup de Canadiens »"

      And how does THIS reflect on the Quebecois and the Quebec Nation?

      Where's CONTRA when you need him? "And you want to make a country out of this?"

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  38. FROM ED
    Une Gars,
    You must be in your glory now. Insulting is what you do best. It doesn't bother me, it's what I expect from you. You tell Yannick his opinion is biased because he doesn't agree with you. You insult Cutie for no reason. She related a story about her friend selling his house and you, knowing nothing about the friend or the situation you jump in to say he is wrong and to question her morality. What the hell is wrong with you. The answer to your question is yes, Cutie is a lady and a better mother than yours. Her children were properly raised and do not spend their time laughing at other people's pain, which you glory in doing.
    Calling our province Quebecistan is a thing that teenage jerks do but you do it so well. FYI 99.9% of Quebecers don't give a flying fuck about calgary so you can stop boasting about how good you've got it there. You come here to talk with the trolls because their intelligence level is low like yours. However when you asked does anybody want to argue with an idiot, the troll
    beat with "Ido. Are you ready." This shows that even their intelligence is higher than yours. Why don't you keep your mouth in Calgary and stop laughing at the pain we have and you creating more?

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    1. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYSaturday, March 16, 2013 at 1:46:00 PM EDT

      Hey old man Ed,
      LOL! So much bitterness!!!
      You should move here to Alberta, no one here is bitter they are just better.
      BTW speak for yourself as you all paint quebeckers from the same racist brush. So include yourself.
      I don't argue with idiots. I just added your racist ass to my list of S.R and student.
      Go have a nap now;)
      P.S. Your tax monies will pay for the independance of that province you live in and hate so passionately. Oh, the irony!!!

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    2. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYSaturday, March 16, 2013 at 1:48:00 PM EDT

      "Cutie is a lady and a better mother than yours. Her children were properly raised and do not spend their time laughing at other people's pain, which you glory in doing."

      HA HA HA!!!!!
      Takes a quebekistani to use that lame line;)

      Cutie is an intolerant bigot and anti-french as racist as her seppies. You quebec citizens are all racists!!!!!

      LOL!

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    3. Shove off - contributing nothing to this blog - if it makes you feel better to insult everyone why don't you show your true face to your family and friends? - Bet you hide your rude and disrespectful personality from them or they would not be interesting in being related or friendly with you. We're totally not interested in your life in the land of honey and calling other people names is just about as infantile as any troll can be. Ignoring you is just as simple as ignoring student and SR - scrolling past your "nice" guy title is simple but your choice of this "nice guy" title shows you know very little about "nice" people. "Nice" people don't insult others the way you do so go take a good long look at yourself in the mirror before commenting on or to other people that have the misfortune to accidently read your dumb comments.

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    4. @un gars bs de calgary

      "Cutie is an intolerant bigot and anti-french as racist as her seppies."

      that's outrageous mate. how can you write such a thing?!? this time you went overboard, mate. i'm shocked. she is way worse than your average separatist. ok i forgive you.

      @cutie003

      "Nice people don't insult others the way you do..."

      and how do nice people insult others, please? i'm curious. would it be like you do? five keywords with a random launcher?

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  39. Chénier dit: Arrêtez de me casser les oreilles avec les cours d'anglais intensifs subventionnés. Si vous voulez apprendre l'anglais, inscrivez-vous avec votre argent chez Berlitz. Par ailleurs, la langue officielle du Québec est le français et le bilinguisme n'est pas une avenue acceptable pour les Québécois. Apprendre une seconde, une tierce langue d'accord, s'assimiler et se mettre à genoux devant le ''maître'' anglo-saxon, jamais !

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  40. Amazingly, Quebecers are PROUD of eliminating cultural diversity … while complaining about the lack of cultural diversity due to this supposed American steamroller that frightens them so much…

    They hypocritically whine about francophones who have been passively assimilated elsewhere while actively assimilating anybody they can… promoting cultural diversity by making everything French.

    The city of Quebec’s website plays lip-service to being trilingual… but try clicking on the “Citizens” on their English website:
    http://www.ville.quebec.qc.ca/en/index.aspx

    The message is that “Citizens” are francophones and if you’re not yet, too bad!

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    1. Err... by "Quebecers", please read "separatists".

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    2. Chénier dit: Non, il indique que normalement un citoyen qui habite à Québec devrait être en mesure de se débrouiller en français sinon il est un exemple latent de mauvaise foi et de relent de colonialisme (rhodésien). À Calgary, j'attends toujours d'avoir de l'information non pas trilingue mais uniquement bilingue; ''nothing'' en français:
      http://www.calgary.ca/SitePages/cocis/default.aspx

      Si vous ne vous sentez pas citoyen, c'est peut-être votre mentalité obtus qui vous en empêche. Cordialement !

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  41. Aren't these people something else? If you learn another language or taste food from a different culture, you automatically become "assimilated" - what jerks. I'm surprised that they don't live in caves and take their women by the hair and drag them down the paths in the forest. They are a lost cause and must be allowed to go their own way.

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    1. Quite right, Cutie. It’s completely useless to even bother trying to engage anyone who chooses to live their lives with such a retrograde mentality.

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    2. Those people are colonized in the mind. They have a bibitte in their head that can’t be cured. Can you imagine living in the 21st century and behaving as if it were the 18th century? It’s so sad.

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    3. @R.S.

      "Those people are colonized in the mind"

      Indeed,

      "Les esclave des autres"...for ever and ever and ever and ever....

      ah...whata-ya-gonna-do?

      On a totally unrelated topic...where's the guy that use to post under "The Montreal Partition" ? ...kinda miss him...although I gotta say Eqanimity comes in as a very close second, especially in style and reasoning! lol keep postin'

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    4. "Those people are colonized in the mind"

      That chimes so closely to the expression I often use: "You're poor in the head."

      Separatists really are professional victims and contrary to their false belief that they've
      been condemn to a marginal existence...the case is that they're simply PROGRAMMED to fail.

      This bit of reality was brought to you by Labatt 50.

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    5. Chénier dit: Ça me fait bien rire de lire vos messages qui critiquent le manque d'ouverture des francophones du Québec. Vous êtes tellement plus ouverts sur le monde ! On le voit tout de suite lorsque exigez de l'anglais et toujours plus d'anglais, vous qui choisissez de résider au Québec où la vaste majorité parle français ! Je vous le suggère, mangez autre chose que des ''hot chicken'' and other greasy things with gravy avant de donner des leçons et respectez la majorité qui utilise le français espèce de pleurnichard de pacotille ! ''Espèces d'ectoplasmes'' dixit le Capitaine Haddock (non pas le poisson mais bien le personnage de la b.d. belge Titin)

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    6. I absolutely refuse to address anyone using the Chénier tag.

      Not only is this guy clearly baiting conflict, he's part of the pro-murder separatist camp.

      As for the majority that speak le français, I happen to be one of them.

      I'm just not a racist, trailer-park troglodyte with a hard-on for boring-as-shit homogeneous society.

      Life is supposed to be fun...

      ...and when separatists aren't killing nightwatchmen and Liberal cabinet ministers, they kill all the fun.

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    7. Q.E.D. --> Quod erat demonstrandum.

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    8. @cutie003

      "If you learn another language or taste food from a different culture, you automatically become assimilated..."

      who said that, apart from the voices in your head, mate?

      hint: nobody.

      come on cutie003, try to tackle real life arguments from now on. strawmen can be fun to poke in your courtyard, but you're dealing with intelligent people trying to have a discussion here.

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    9. Child, why are you singling out Cutie?

      Hmmm?

      All of us pour a shitload of common sense-syrup all over your KKK bullshit.

      You'd better focus on us all.

      You're $9.50/hr wage depends on it.

      Now come my little terrorist-worshiping fiend, let's see if you can grow a set and produce an argument that's actually worth our attention.

      This comment was brought to you by Chez Ben...ou on s'bourre la bédaine tabarnak!!!

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    10. @resident evil

      child, shit, kkk, shit, poor, terrorist-worshipping, fiend and no balls.

      total 8. you win.

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  42. There are some interesting exchanges on the NP comments board under the article on "Language Wars" cited in this NoDogs post.

    This one is interesting:


    JF_Nadeau edwardhaskell2 • 3 days ago

    "basic human rights being denied"

    Which basic human right are you talking about ? The right to ignore French in a francophone province ?

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    Nobody is inferring that French is being ignored. However,promoting one language,one culture,while suppressing another is unadulterated tribalism,xenophobia, and bordering on state sanctioned racism.

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    I think Avatar got it wrong in his reply. My reply would have been: exactly the right to ignore French in a francophone province. Just like my right to ignore English in Arizona, ignore Spanish in Florida, or ignore Cantonese in Hong Kong.

    Should the state enforce monoculture? unanimity? Sameness? I'm asking if it *should*, not what the "normality" is, the normality is that states do tend to promote unanimity for control reasons.

    Shouldn't the people have the right to live side by side respectfully yet not necessarily in each other's embrace? Shouldn't we have the right to agree to disagree sometimes, and just go our separate ways, instead of being forced into a "cohesion"?

    I think attempts should be made to foster social cohesion, but at the same time there should be recognition of that limit beyond which people won't go, and therefore the state should stop pushing when at the point where it starts to create more problems than solutions.

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    1. @adski

      STANDING OVATION!!!

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    2. You know, the same argument could have been made in the 70's at the height of the civil rights movement by those who were in favor of segregation.

      Sure, a restaurant owner who hires exclusively unilingual English waiters and prints out exclusively English menus is not technically refusing service to Francophone customers - he is just making it impossible for them to use his business.

      I don't see why you guys are fighting so hard for this. You're essentially fighting hard for the right to be an asshole - and it's not going to garnish you much sympathy.

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    3. Yannick, first of all Adski's an immigrant, so if an immigrant (not an Anglophone) is making such a statement, it leans more to the ethos of being a libertarian.

      While I completely see the point you're trying to make, and can understand how it might appear unfair, I find that the ultimate freedom of choice is what should dominate the discussion.

      For instance, I'm 100% homo-friendly, but I have no gripes with that fried chicken place in the states that didn't welcome gays.

      Why?

      Well, I'll ignore the fact that they're ignorant shitbags, and just say that the market had its way.

      The gay community stopped giving that place its money and now all you see there are dumb mouth-breather rednecks.

      If some guy insists on having English-only services in his restaurant, let the public vote with their dollars.

      Fun fact: in my punk days a friend of mine and I wanted to open a coffee shop and one of the first things we were going to do is put up a "No Pigs Allowed" sign and prohibit cops from coming into our establishment.

      Anyways, it's a double-sided coin, but ultimately, freedom of choice is the way to go.

      ______

      "You're essentially fighting hard for the right to be an asshole - and it's not going to garnish you much sympathy."

      On that note, don't forget---when Bain tried to murder Pauline Marois NOT ONE of us applauded him - it was the opposite.

      Also, you'll find that most opponents to the 101-delusion are very calm and passive...until you get in their face. They're not the ones consistently baiting the other side and trying to pick a fight.

      After all, when Harper was elected PM, did he tell Canada that he was going to start picking fights with Quebec?

      Just try me on this one...I'll find you more than 101 ways the other side is fighting for the right to be ASSHOLES.

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    4. Which is also the same argument used by franco-supremacists. “Something bad happened in Louisiana or New Brunswick once, so we’re going to fight hard to be assholes about it in Quebec by nitpicking over every little detail” and they don’t garner (*not garnish*) much sympathy, which is why they’re still bleating about official language after 40 years, and so it keeps going, ad infinitum…

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    5. Sure, a restaurant owner who hires exclusively unilingual English waiters and prints out exclusively English menus is not technically refusing service to Francophone customers - he is just making it impossible for them to use his business.

      Let's just switch "English" to "French" in the above Yannick - This is what is presently taking place in this province and quebec not only condones it but makes it part of it's discriminatory laws. Is this still OK and appropriate? We who are not pur laine francophones do not think it's OK and in fact want all this nonsense to stop and make everyone feel at home in their own home province!

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    6. "You know, the same argument could have been made in the 70's at the height of the civil rights movement by those who were in favor of segregation."

      So are the anglos and the allos like the blacks of the 1960s fighting to end the exclusion and alienation (with the government on their side) against the white supremacist forces committed to preserving segregation? Strangely enough, the forces that oppose "integration" (as defined by the government and effectively equivalent of total cultural surrender) here in Quebec are...the anglos and allos themselves. It's as if the civil rights movement of the 1960s to end the alienation of the blacks was opposed by... the blacks themselves.

      A more apt analogy would be the white government trying to impose on the black community something that the black community unanimously opposed. Like a requirement to paint their skin white when in public, which graciously would not be required at home.

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  43. Faced with all this opposition, one has to wonder how much longer these moronic, mouth-breathing inbred separatists can keep it up.

    I mean seriously, not only is common sense on this blog crushing the shit out of their argument, their lack of logic and subtracting all validation from their very raison d'être, but if you look at the Jonathan Kay article, the comments section is brimming with people who can see the seppies for what they really are.


    One really has to wonder how much longer these tools can keep feeding on their on bullshit.

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