Tuesday, January 15, 2013

The FLQ versus Richard Bain

Richard Bane, the murderer alleged shooter and murderer of stage worker Denis Blanchette at the Metroplis theatre the night of the PQ's election may be sane or he may be slightly daft, we haven't been apprised of the contents of the psychiatric report because Bain has objected that the document be deposited with the court in English at his trial.

Let me preface this blog piece by saying that unlike the jury who in the trial of Guy Turcotte acquitted the good doctor by reason of insanity in the murder of his two young children, I hope that Bain gets the max and rots in jail for the rest of his life for depriving a three year-old girl of her father just because the unlucky sap, her father, got in Bain's way on his way to kill Pauline Marois.

If Bain is found to be 100% nuts, it wouldn't change my mind, the consequence of being found not criminally responsible via the insanity defence is too high a price for society and more importantly, the family of the victim to pay.

In advancing the so-called right of the criminally insane to an acquittal, we hinder  the grieving family from achieving closure and healing, the idea that the murderer will be walking around society, free as a jaybird, because he is somehow 'cured' is akin to imposing upon the aggrieved family a lifetime sentence of pain and suffering.

So I'm not much interested if Bain is certifiable, I've no interest in seeing him acquitted via the insanity defence. That's just an opinion, you may or may not agree.

That being said, it isn't going to happen, unlike Guy Turcotte, no Quebec jury will ever let him skate on the murder, the idea of him eventually getting out after a couple of years in a prison hospital, amazingly cured, is a cup of poison that nobody, English or French will tolerate.

That being said, who can deny that Bain lost his marbles that night when he tried to kill Marois and truth be told, he actually has a better case of temporary insanity than did Turcotte.
Up to the incident at the Metropolis, Bain seemed to function reasonably well, providing for himself and keeping out of trouble, a seemingly productive member of society.

Who but a seriously afflicted person goes on a political assassination mission dressed in a bathrobe. I think that this fact alone speaks for his deranged mental condition, Res ipsa loquitur .

At his preliminary hearings, Bain probably said it best, joking that he was "75% sane, not bad" according to him, "considering that the 'separatists' who want to separate need only 50% of the vote."
Very clever...er.... Link

But in the end Bain isn't going to get to enjoy the compassionate side of Quebec justice, it's already in the cards.
He's going to be found competent and guilty, and will be sent down for the maximum, anything less would have the militants leading marches in the streets.

And so it brings me to ask the question that nobody will ask, that is, will Bain enjoy the relative light hand of the justice system that the murderers of the FLQ enjoyed?

You might recall that the FLQ was responsible for over 160 terrorist attacks resulting in eight deaths and a multitude of injured.
The entire terrorist group numbering around thirty was treated rather gingerly by the justice system, starting with  Gabriel Hudon and Raymond Villeneuve who were sentenced to 12 years in prison after their bomb killed Wilfred O'Neill, a watchman at Montreal's Canadian Army Recruitment Centre. Wikipedia  The two were paroled after just four years.

The murderers of Pierre Laporte, Francis Simard and Paul Rose received a life sentence but were paroled after 11 years.

 Jacques LanctôtYves Langlois,, Jacques Cossette-Trudel and his wife, Louise Lanctôt the kidnappers of James Cross, were allowed to flee to Cuba in return for his release.
They all returned to Canada a few years later and received ridiculously low jail sentences, most about two years with parole after just eight months.

The most notorious FLQ terrorist is Pierre-Paul Geoffroy, an unrepentant bomber who received the harshest jail sentence for his various terrorist crimes ever handed out by a judge in the Commonwealth, 124 life sentences. He was paroled just ten years later. Link{Fr}

The longest jail sentence ever served by a Felkist was that of François Schirm who was actually sentenced to death for a murder committed during a robbery at an armoury in an attempt to secure weapons for the FLQ. In the end, he served 14 years before being released. 

So the question begs, will an Anglo terrorist be treated as tenderly as these FLQ terrorists?

I somehow feel that Bain is going to pay a price that no FLQ murderer ever paid. As for public sentiment towards Bain, I'm reminded of the old movie line from Silverado;

"We're gonna give you a fair trial, followed by a first class hanging."

Already the media has created a cordon sanitaire, refusing to let Mr. Bain tell his side of the story and explain exactly what he did and why he did it.

Against legal advice Bain called English radio station CJAD in Montreal where he gave a thirty-eight minute interview, of which only two minutes were aired, which caused a firestorm of criticism in the French press for allowing Bain a tribune to push his partitionist views 

So I wasn't surprised that in another interview he gave, this time with Claude Poirer, Quebec's veteran crime reporter, Bain was treated as if he was radio-active.
Usually these calls are a reporter's wet dream, a scoop of inestimable value, but Porier on advice from his bosses, danced around the interview like a child licking icing off a cake, trying hard not to disturb its appearance, lest she be caught.

It seems that the word is out in the media (anglo + Franco) not to let Bain speak his mind when he phones media outlets (against his lawyer's instructions)

I certainly would like to hear what he has to say, just like I'd like to hear an interview with Luka Magnotta.
Doesn't the public have a right to hear to the story directly from the horse's mouth?

At any rate, I don't think Bain will be treated as well as the ex-FLQ terrorists who have largely been re-integrated into Quebec society, many quite successfully.
As for being murdering terrorists, they hardly seemed stigmatized and enjoy very open public careers like Pierre Schneider and Raymond Villeneuve.
For Quebecers, its largely forgive and forget.

Do you think the media and the public will ever forgive Richard Bain to the extent of those in the FLQ?

171 comments:

  1. I think what disgusts me most about the FLQ is that not only did they get away with murder...they won themselves a free 25-year all-expenses paid trip to Cuba.

    Will Bain be sunning his ass red for his acts?

    And as for Villeneuve...talk about never learning from one's mistakes...

    Anybody remember that situation where the Jeunes Patriotes showed up at Cafe Chaos on St. Denis to start some shit, only to have their asses brutally kicked by SHARPS (skin heads against racial prejudice)?

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    1. "...not only did they get away with murder...they won themselves a free 25-year all-expenses paid trip to Cuba."

      all chenier cell members got heavy jail sentences for murder. so what you wrote is false.

      "Will Bain be sunning his ass red for his acts?"

      i hop not! what do you think?

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    2. "all chenier cell members got heavy jail sentences for murder. so what you wrote is false."

      Simard = 11 years for M-U-R-D-E-R...of a Francophone.



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    3. FROM ED
      The most Richard Bain can get is aggravated manslaughter. He will be tried for killing Blanchette not attempting to kill Marois. This they know they can make stick. There's not enough proof that he wanted to kill Marois except his word which will be deeemed unacceptable if he uses the insanity plea which his lawyer probably will insist on. Ed

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    4. @resident evil

      "Simard = 11 years for M-U-R-D-E-R...of a Francophone."

      ok, and what's the average time a convicted murderer actually spends in jail, in quebec, resident evil?

      you need to expose this data before concluding he "got away" with murder.

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    5. See folks, he just keeps proving my point.

      Separatists can justify ANY form of violence committed by white, French-speaking sovereignists.

      If that nasty gang rape we all heard about in India happened in Quebec and the "perps" were a gang of seppies violating a unilingual McGill girl, Student would be able to justify it and play down it's severity.

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    6. @resident evil

      why don't you answer the question? you must already have the response since you started off this thread by asserting the guys "got away" with murder. you obviously can't write that without having numbers about average jail time similar crimes. please share!

      "If that nasty gang rape we all heard about in India happened in Quebec..."

      crazytalk. you're really bad at debating resident evil.

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    7. Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you exhibit C: the rotten stench of defeat.

      The witness is now growing hostile over the fact that no one will engage him in his attempts to justify murder committed by separatists.

      Anyone care to debate with someone who can who thinks it's "noble" and in "good & proper intent" to kills Anglos for the higher purpose of supposed "cultural preservation"?

      You just watch...if the India affair does happen in Quebec, seppies will justify it...just like those Looney-tune gun nut assholes try to play down the murder of the Sandy Hook children as "juss ona 'dem things" and sweep it under the rug.

      That's the nucleus of fanaticism - Charles Manson thought everyone who couldn't see the logic in the murders he committed were crazy.

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    8. Don't bother Resident = read his postings, have a good laugh, move to the next one. If he can't get a rise from any of us he will move on to a seppie site and wow them with his debating talents = lol

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    9. Oh, I'm not bothering, Cutie - I'm merely driving my point home.

      I'm just pointing out that just like any cult, just like any hate group, terrorist cell, the separatists can justify ANYTHING.

      Notice that I've brought this up on many occasions and not ONE of the separatists who read this blog ever tried to say otherwise

      It's like Adski pointed out - even when they're not openly applauding violence, they put the vibe out that they approve of it:

      "For example, you can say: "In history, people got somewhere only when they restored to violence". "Are you advocating violence?" "No, I said 'in history'"...but of course the insinuation is there."

      So that's it Cutie - just pointing out that we don't have any worthy adversaries on our blog, only bottom-tier American History X-brand street thugs.

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    10. @resident evil

      Dude, you’ll have to improve. That last bit was really bad.

      How can you amalgamate a request for a valid comparison basis and justifying killing anglos and the indian rape drama?

      focus, man.

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    11. SR must be on vacation and turned the "piss off federalists" role to student - Again, I read, laugh and skip right on by because there is no stopping their inane comments. Only the Editor has the power to do that and has chosen not to - his right.

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    12. @Cutie: Or maybe there's been a shift change at OLF headquarters. I agree - it's best to ignore them - after outing them of course. Their sick 'scripts' have been trolling the net since the old BBS days.

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  2. Oops - got so excited, I forgot to add the link that relates Villeneuve's supreme lack of evolution and the Jeunes Patriotes:

    http://hour.ca/2005/03/03/anarchists-giving-mlnq-a-rash/

    Oh and regarding François Gendron (the leader of the Jeunes Patriotes), he's the coward who sent in his troops to start a fight with Anglos inside the Ruby Foo hotel in 2008 then sat back like a coward while they did the dirty work.

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    I'd like tohear Francois Legault's take on this. He was die hard separatist during all those days. Pierre laporte's nepherw who was twelve at the time says he has never felt safe since he looked up and saw men with machine guns taking his beloved uncle. Sgt. Walter Lemay who tried to defuse a bomb spent thirty years in St. Anne's veteran hospital and died there. Almost a life sentence for an innocent man.
    If we judge Bain by the way they judge terrorists in Quebec, he'll be back at his fishing lodge soon with lots of free publicity. Ed

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  4. @Ed - this certainly will be interesting to see.

    We already covered that the FLQ not only got away with murder, they were rewarded for it.

    Then there's Guy Turcotte, who committed murder that was not politically motivated...and let's face it - he got away with it, so I think Bain, despite being an Anglo, will get away with it.

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    1. "...they were rewarded for it."

      what reward did flq convicts get resident evil?

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  5. For all the faults and failings of the justice system in Quebec, and Canada, I would much rather have this system than that in the US which results in locking up a significant percentile of the population for very long sentances. Who knows what will happen with Bain, though somehow I expect he will serve a fairly long sentance. What is disappointing with FLQ typess who are released is that there seems to be so little interest in their victims or acceptance/acknowledgement that what they did was fundamentally wrong, and that they are allowed to use their terrorist notoriety to be viewed by some as heroes.

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    1. If I understand you correctly, JP, you're saying crime pays in Canada?

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  6. I think he will get a life sentence without a second thought and he will serve at least 25 years, if he lives that long. I do hope they keep him in protective custody or he will mysteriously pass away in prison before too long. It would be a blessing for him to serve his sentence in some other province. The FLQ got away with far too much and with the blessing of most of the francophone population backing them up. What I don't get is the fact that our anglophone media are not jumping all over this story to get what was really going on in his mind on election night. It's like there is some real conspiracy out there to hide anything to do with anglophone problems in this place. One has to wonder if there is big money changing hands or something to keep the lid on this pressure cooker.

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    1. The English media in Quebec is a composite of Quislings, incompetents and misfits.

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    2. For sure Mr. Sauga - I've yet to see one that is doing anything about the rights and freedoms of individuals in quebec. I hope Didi is right and things may change with the Gazette being bought out - now we need some honest, federalist oriented reporters on staff.

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  7. Thanks for the link resident - sick, sick bunch of people we have out there and they honestly think they're mentally capable of living in a civilized society.

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  8. Stop me if you heard this one...

    "It's really not that bad that the FLQ killed 8 people...remember we're just 7 million Francophones in an ocean of 353 million Anglophones. With numbers like those, the eight who lost their lives are just a drop in the bucket!"

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    1. Nice. You could continue with

      "Since there's 50 times as many anglophones as there are francophones, then it's really like Bain killed 50 people!"

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  9. It's interesting to see the English and French Wikipedia view of Mr. Villeneuve:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Villeneuve
    vs
    http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Villeneuve

    The English version has scrubbed clean any mention of the FLQ or prison time but the history does not lie: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Raymond_Villeneuve&diff=524037654&oldid=58319786

    -J

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    1. The seppies are GREAT at re-writing history to suit their own agenda. That's the sad part of this whole movement: It has grown out of lies and deceit and the poor kids have a whole generation of misinformation and outright deception as to what is really happening in the world. Our Constitution has to be rewritten to stop this sort of thing by a rebel province. There should be no playing with the constitution, for any province, and if it's unclear then it needs to be re-done. Should be a living document, at all times, for improvement if there is a requirement for it. That's the only way a country will survive, not by piece-meal legislation to flout the spirit of the constitution of that country. Noticed this morning that quebec is now trying to find a way around the "right to die" issue under the provincial health act. I believe that we should have a "right to die" but don't believe that, again, one province can act on it's own by skirting the constitution.

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    2. @cutie003

      "Our Constitution has to be rewritten to stop this sort of thing by a rebel province."

      so? what would you change in the constitution cutie003? how would you change the constitution in order to put an end to "misinformation and outright deception"?

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    3. There are Nazi revisionists, and there are seppie revisionists. With any luck, Quebec will separate and then partition and the expense that Quebec is will no longer be. Their currency won't be worth a Zimbabwe dollar.

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    4. @mr. sauga

      "Their currency won't be worth a Zimbabwe dollar."

      that's based on your studies and experience, or, on the contrary, does it come from a serious analysis mr. sauga?

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    5. The way we're going Mr. Sauga, the whole province won't be worth a Zimbabwe dollar let alone them having to have their own currency when they separate.

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    6. No need to rewrite the Constitution student: It's filled with LAWS that make it crystal clear what Provincial governments 'LIMITS Are' AND makes it CLEAR throughout - its documentation that "Any laws/loi's" that do NOT - adhere to the Statutes of Law Making Regulations or The Spirit of the Law (that diminishes, removes rights, freedoms etc.. or comes from a Political Party dictate, personal opinion, or ideal..etc...) "IS DEEMED NULL & VOID and INEFFECTIVE". Ergo: The Illegality of the Language Loi's - and Illegality of Erasing Our English Language as an Official Language in Quebec. That and of course much, much more... abused and grossly violated by QC Legislators - :)

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    7. @didi

      "No need to rewrite the Constitution student..."

      well i think it should be rewritten. at least so quebec could be brought to sign it.

      but i'm easy.

      i'll refer you to cutie003 though. she's the one who wants to rewrite it presto, as you must have read right above.

      p.s. what the hell is a "loi"? french for law or acronym?

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    Remember, the length of time Bain spends in jail depends on the parole board. He most likely will play the insanity card which means he would be sent to an asylum. Once he has been talking normal for a few months the doctors will announce him cured and no longer a danger to himself or society. They will let him out to a halfway house. In a year he'll be back up north talking to the fish> Ed

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    RESIDENT, I 've never heard about the cafe chaos. Sounds interesting, could ya fill me in? Ed

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    RESIDENT, I shoulda said please. Ed

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    1. Sure thing Ed...Cafe Chaos is a punk rock bar on St. Denis in the Latin Quarter, They frequently have hardcore and punk shows going on and no matter what punk rock clique you belong to, it is an extremely unwelcome place for racists, xenophobes and others of that ilk.

      That's why the Jeunes Patriotes got beaten down...because they did the one thing punks hate most - telling them how to live their lives.

      Hope that helps.

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  13. For the Cossette-Trudels, who kidnapped James Cross, I think it worked out to about 5 days of incarceration for every one day they held Cross in captivity (and, according to Cross, he was NOT treated that nicely).

    I'd say crime (or in this case, terrorism) pays.

    But terrorism is celebrated, justified, and apologised for in Quebec. Indeed, the Quebec government saw fit to name an institution of higher learning after someone who publicly stated that bombs were the ideal communication process to show the English that the separatists were after something important.

    College Gerald Godin which sits in the West Island, the area in which a large number of the very people (anglophones) who Godin felt was justified aiming bombs at.

    Violence has been part of the Quebec debate and has dictated the direction of this country in a very real way for decades. We don't discuss it because we like to think Canadians are above it, but it's them's the facts.

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    1. Hi Tony !! Nice to see you here :) Tony KNOWS HIS STUFF - for those who don't him him. He's one of the 'unsung heroes' who've been fighting these grotesque loi's and horrific anti-Anglo , deliberate - disinformation Quebec youth have been 'brainwashed to believe'.

      @Tony: Wasn't there one of the FLQ guys - who was allowed to become an attorney - who applied to become a "Judge" - and almost got there, until his past was made public, a couple of years ago? Can't remember his name - at the moment.

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    2. @didi

      "Can't remember his name - at the moment."

      probably richard therrien. right?

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    3. Sorry, Didi, not sure who that could be. Google didn't help either (I tried to do a search on "flq terrorist judge lawyer" but the four words are too intertwined in criminal cases to give any hits for one that wanted to be a judge).

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    4. @ Tony: I believe I just found who it was: Richard Therrien - involved in the Cross kidnapping and murder - by 'hiding' these killers. http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2001/06/07/therrienmtl010607.html

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    5. @didi

      cross was never murdered. he is alive and well as we write.

      "who was allowed to become an attorney - who applied to become a "Judge" - and almost got there, until his past was made public, a couple of years ago?"

      and you've got this all wrong as well. he was a judge and has been dismissed. shouldn't be scandalous from your point of view. update your files didi.

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  14. That's what I don't get. How come it's OK for the separatists to talk, and act on, these things but not the anglophones? If we mention violence to obtain our rights and freedoms, we are extremists, but it's fine for them. Are we to sit back and let them steal our land and our country and not fight back? I hope we don't think we are any different than anyone else given the same circumstances. That's why we must get as much publicity on these matters as we can and in any way we can. They push and push and get away with outrageous demands and we sit back and do nothing.

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    1. "If we mention violence to obtain our rights and freedoms, we are extremists,..."

      you think violence is a moderate mean to attain one's objectives?!?

      "...but it's fine for them."

      when did a separatist mentioned violence as a mean to "obtain his right" without being seen as an extremist cutie003?

      "They push and push and get away with outrageous demands..."

      can you give examples of outrageous demands please?

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    2. See what I mean Cutie?

      These seps suffer from such dogmatic narrow-minded tunnel-vision that their ilk can do no wrong and not only that, they re-write history as it pleases them.

      Like a cheating spouse, they can dig up ANY justification for their cause - because they believe it's a noble one.

      And regarding the war measures act - when people begin to reason & behave like animals, you need to control those animals.

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    3. "when did a separatist mentioned violence as a mean to "obtain his right" without being seen as an extremist cutie003?"

      Forget mentioned. Separatist felkists committed violence to obtain rights that they perceived were lacking.

      As for mentioned, the RRQ statements often imply physical violence, sometimes directly though most often suggestively. These days people got so PR savvy that they never say things directly. The meaning is always hidden, implied, insinuated. For example, you can say: "In history, people got somewhere only when they restored to violence". "Are you advocating violence?" "No, I said 'in history'"...but of course the insinuation is there.

      Also, violence doesn't have to be physical. It can take other forms. I think that PQists who advocate a type of "defense of French" where you are encouraged to get in someone's face if you perceive that he/she is violating the "spirit" of 101, that's advocating violence of sorts: verbal aggression, intimidation, threats, etc...



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    4. I don't bother with the trolls any more Resident - not worth my time and they wear out my patience pretty quickly. Don't miss them at all when they don't bother to post. Would much rather converse with people that have some common sense. The war measures act was a necessity and may have to be used sometime again in the future. If that's what it takes to keep these maniacs under control, so be it. And they call themselves "democratics" lol

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    5. To be fair though, state building always entails violence. Canada, for example, was built on violence and terrorism against the natives.

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      RESIDENT
      I seem to remember that we had Canadian Army stationed here during the '76 olympics. I can't remember if it was a holdover from the October crisis or special to protect the athletes. I know
      that Israel was very nervous after Munich. Ed

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    7. @resident evil

      "they can dig up ANY justification for their cause - because they believe it's a noble one."

      what's not noble about a nation longing for political independance resident evil?

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    8. @adski

      "Separatist felkists committed violence to obtain rights that they perceived were lacking."

      ok, that a good example, but apart from flq guys? thing is cutie003 stated that it's fine for "separatists" as in all separatists, to "mention violence", and not only this very minuscule sub-group from forty years ago.

      rrq dudes don't count cause they don't "mention" violence, according to you, but suggest it, which is dubious, since you don't provide any quote, but invent some! very insiduous and downright bad debating technique adski.

      "I think that PQists who advocate a type of "defense of French" where you are encouraged to get in someone's face if you perceive that he/she is violating the "spirit" of 101, that's advocating violence of sorts..."

      who did advocate this "type of defense of french" adski?

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    9. Student asks:

      "when did a separatist mentioned violence as a mean to 'obtain his right' without being seen as an extremist..."

      I gave an example above: Gerald Godin, a sitting member of the National Assembly for almost 20 years. Was a cabinet minister. Godin declared, publicly, that bombs were justified against the english. An institution of higher learning was named after him. Godin was never considered an extremist more than any other PQ member.

      Google: "Gerald Godin bombs pbs"

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    10. @tony

      hum, that’s a touchy one. more context is needed. what was the interviewer's question? what did he say before and after? did godin explain further what he meant afterwards? etc.

      anyways i’ll still risk an hypothesis.

      first here's the quote again: "Only bombs, in fact, were the ideal communication process to convince the English that we were after something important"

      he doesn't justify the moral value of using bombs against the English.

      godin acknowledges that it was an efficient means to show the world the flq meant business. in other words he doesn’t think killing innocent people with bombs is morally acceptable, but did it work at getting the message across? according to him it sure did.

      is that plausible?

      even if you prove that he meant bombs was morally ideal, you will still need more examples, and more recent ones, to back up cutie003's claim: "If we mention violence to obtain our rights and freedoms, we are extremists, but it's fine for them (separatists)"

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    11. @adski

      "These days people got so PR savvy that they never say things directly. The meaning is always hidden, implied, insinuated."

      hum, i think i understand. i found these real life examples:

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      "Are we to sit back and let them steal our land and our country and not fight back? I hope we don't think we are any different than anyone else given the same circumstances."

      "they will want to make an example of him to deter other anglophones from partaking in any rebellion against the seppies."

      "the route of being pacifist to the seppies gains absolutely nothing but more and more ethnic cleansing of the anglo and allo population in this province."

      "Action must speak louder than words. Are we to lose our country to these bunch of bigots without putting up a struggle? What kind of cowards are we?"

      "this Province belongs to us - not to this small pack of criminal BIGOTS. Let's out them one by one - for starters."

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      not mentioning violence explicitely, but nonetheless making it clear it's the way to go, right adski? did i understand correctly?

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    12. @cutie003

      do you think my examples fit adski's theory cutie003?

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    13. What say we start with "Outing" student ...lol. Who are you student? And do you really think anyone here is going to 'join your cause' - or take anything you have to say 'seriously'? Please 40 years of this BUNK you're parroting, has been more than enough - for us to 'get your drift'. It's our turn to 'DEBUNK' the BILE, with documented FACTS and HISTORIC TRUTH. What say you see if you can do the same. That is if you want to have a REAL debate or discussion. Until then - I certainly am done with responding to you and your 'ilk'.

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    14. "It's our turn to 'DEBUNK' the BILE, with documented FACTS and HISTORIC TRUTH. What say you see if you can do the same."

      i don't understand the second phrase. but i'm in for the facts thing.

      back to the subject, please. adski mentioned that very often militants, without explicitely advocating violence, write or say stuff in a way that leaves no doubt about the author's real thoughts. he did not provide examples, but i found a few myself. what do you think about them? do they illustrate adski's hypothesis didi?

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    15. "Godin declared, publicly, that bombs were justified against the english."

      "hum, that’s a touchy one. more context is needed."


      LOL

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    16. @adski

      that's the thing, he never declared it was "justified". he declared they were effective to show flq was serious. nuance.

      but more generally, don't you agree that a quote, out of its context, can be misinterpreted sometimes? i'm sure you do.

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    17. student:

      Valid points regarding Godin.

      However, keep in mind that when this quote and its implications regarding his sanctioning bombing was brought to Godin's attention, he attempted no clarification.

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    18. @tony

      "keep in mind that when this quote and its implications regarding his sanctioning bombing was brought to Godin's attention, he attempted no clarification."

      ah! and how did this second interview unfold? any quotes remain from it?

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  15. Ed - I don't think the quebec justice system works the same for both sides of the argument. Mr. Bain will pay heavily for trying to eliminate Ms Pee. He will not be back fishing in this lifetime. They will want to make an example of him for all the anglophones to know their place in this society.

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    1. "They will want to make an example of him for all the anglophones to know their place in this society."

      yes they will make an example of him, to everyone that is planing to kill the prime minister, not just to anglophones cutie003. stop posing as a victim, it's not credible.

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    2. Prime Minister? Wow he went after Harper too?

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    3. @james john

      sorry dude, i meant premier of quebec.

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    4. "I don't think the quebec justice system works the same for both sides of the argument."

      What does that mean? Is it that Bain will be judged more severely because of racism toward Anglos?

      Are you implying that if the roles were reversed the murderer would get a lighter sentence than Bain?

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    5. Yes I think he will be judged more severely because of racism toward anglos.

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    6. I totally agree with you Cutie003. He's already imo been judged - tried and sentenced by Quebec media and of course those who for some inexplicable reason, parrot everything the media feeds us.

      @student: I don't understand your comment to cutie003: "...stop posing as a victim, it's not credible". Are you implying the Anglo/Allo population are NOT victims of the illegal 'language loi's' in Quebec?

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      what's a loi? french for law or some acronym?!? i need that key before i can answer your question.

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    8. Right now he's our resident separatist troll Didi - don't bother with him - he's a huge pain in the a-- and all he does is pick apart every, and I mean every, comment made by the federalists on the blog.

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    9. LOL... they're like 'fleas' and 'tics'. Programmed to repeat the 'Same S....t - Different Pile' - same methods, same style - same sickness in the head. Poor things. I've offered to help pack their bags for decades. Just refuse to leave! Guess nobody will take em... not even the Taliban...lol

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    10. How do you feel about partitioning this whole damn place and let those areas go that vote to leave? I feel this is the only way out of this mess.

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    11. It's obvious that student is incapable of doing little more than asking vapid questions.

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    12. @Cutie: I used to be totally against the idea - back when Lionel Albert & Bill Shaw introduced the concept. If you haven't read their book, Partition, The Price of Quebec's Independence in 1980. Today I'm torn - because the very thought of giving these 'criminals' one inch of 'Our' Province makes me gag. I also believe, concentrating energies on it - at this time - is putting the cart before the horse, so to speak. It would take at least another decade - if not more to wind its way through the 'system' - given the 'lack of action' - from the do-nothing 'boys on the hill', to date. My personality type - is to first address the source of a problem and then go on to the next step - be it healing, repairing, etc.. In this case - we all know - the source of the problem is Bill 101 - a 'Criminal Act'. That IS the issue the community will and is ready to stand up against. There are 'some people' who -unfortunately- have 'taken control' of what was a fast growing, strongly supported - Anti Bill 101 movement - and have and are whittling it down - into every growing - sub-groups - be it the 'Keep the Flag' one - The Stop 'Bill 14' - one - The Partition' one etc.. And imo - this is the 'perfect way to split/divide' the community - again (this method has always been 'successfully' used to destroy momentum - against the language loi's - usually with Fiberal intervention). More to say about this - but this is NOT the place I chose to discuss it. Suffice to say - I continue to do what I do :)

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    CUTIE
    The sepratists will accept a plea of insanity bcause they will want it to look like only an insane person
    could dislike Madame marois. They want to play down this as much as possible and make it go away. In an asylum he cannot become a folk hero like he might in prison. At Pinel for example reporters can't do interviews. If someone kills him in prison he might become a martyr. Ed

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    1. It will be interesting to see which way it goes Ed - what I predict or what you predict. Can't see them wanting to make this go away - they will want to make an example of him to deter other anglophones from partaking in any rebellion against the seppies.

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  17. FROM ED
    Richard Bain did do some good. He let Marois and her ilk know that they are vulnerable. Seps always felt that only they had the right to violence but now they know better. Their politicos now travel with armed body guards. There was a joke back in the seventies that they arrived in Bourrassa's living room saying they came to kidnap him but he ordred them to "prenez la porte." So they did. Since Richard Bain they don't feel so safe. In the words of George Formby, "They laughed when I started to play but they didn't laugh again that day." Ed

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    EDITOR
    An interesting topic would be Alliance Quebec2. Let's find out if people here are for the idea or against.
    Perhaps with some support from us they can actually help our situation. Ed

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    1. I've read their literature and 'platform'. Some of it sounds good - other parts I find offensive - the part where they make it clear they wouldn't have a problem with Quebec separating "...if the language loi's were eased up.." (paraphrasing here). As for their writing companies outside Quebec to NOT invest here etc.. Frankly I believe that energy would be much better served in working with the community to get these illegal loi's abolished and to OUT the politicos who have forced these criminal discriminatory loi's upon us all these years. After all in order to fix/heal something that is broken/sick - if the SOURCE of the sickness isn't addressed, then the sickness will grow. Something that is crystal clear with our Provinces and our lives - slide into the toilet over the past 30+ years. For those too young to remember, Quebec used to be the richest province in the country and (believe it or not) the BEST place to live - before the language loi insanity.

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    2. I can see where they're coming from though Didi - they did try, for a long time, to get something done about the discrimination in this province from within and feel that money is all the politicos understand, therefore, the only way things will change is to bankrupt the province. The only problem is that it will affect ALL of us and not just the ones that are causing the trouble. The seppies count of getting rid of us to increase their chances of separation and we all know this but no one in our provincial politics has the guts to fight back with the same energy as the separatists. What I wouldn't give for someone with some backbone leading our liberal party in this province but without that the cleansing will continue with their complete and utter submission to the wishes of the separatists. Sorry Ed but we owe the liberals nothing at this point in time. They have acquiesced to the separatists for the past 40 years and we desperately need a new option for federalists.

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    3. I agree Cutie003. The thing is - we didn't have Social Media throughout that time to let the ROC - know what has been REALLY going on here. And of course the Federal Liberals - (and know I used to be one of those - lifelong Liberal supporters, until I learned what they had/have REALLY been doing all these years) muzzled and silenced us with the media they took control of across the country, sigh. As for warning US & international investors.. well from my experience they know very well to stay out of this Province, as demonstrated with the lack of investment - almost NIL - since these 'Language Loi's' have been in effect. 25 years ago - I had an American one tell me (he had 60,000 employees around the world) "Didi, I refuse to invest one penny in that MICKEY MOUSE Province. I don't need THEM and sure as hell won't be doing any business with that bunch". As for the province going bankrupt... well it's been 'bankrupt' for decades. In any event - I do agree that any and all publicity about what's REALLY been taking place here is a very good thing.
      And as for our provincial politcos - meaning the Liberals.. they have imo - been our greatest abusers. I totally agree that, what the Party needs is someone with a backbone to lead the party. But more impotant than that is - someone who doesn't, spew or endorse these outright 'criminal acts' - of discrimination and abuse as a law - when they KNOW very well they are the exact opposite of every meaning of the word. And for sure Cutie003 - we do NOT owe the Liberals anything. As a matter of FACT they OWE us - big time. The Federal FIBERALS - were finally sent that message. And not only again imo, will the Provincial ones get that - so will the CAQ & the Seps - because the Majority of Quebeckers are starting to make it clear - they/we are disgusted with all of them. Believe it or not - I am extremely optimistic - about the future of our political system - now that we have the TOOLS to help create the changes we all want and need. This is only the beginning :) One of my favorite quotes is: "The truth always comes back to bite the liar in the ass"... and another "People know when truth is in the room".

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    4. Well Didi I try to remain optimistic but it's been very difficult since just before the last election. The implosion of the PQ is great and I love it but we have to hope that the population at large will see the destruction that the separatists are causing the whole province and we, for damn sure, need a STRONG federalist party that is willing to put the whole mess in black and white for the average quebecer be they francophone, anglophone or allophone. If there is any hope for us to defeat these liars, xenophobic, tyrants, some forward thinking politician somewhere is currently working on a file that will expose this farce for what it is - an attempt to create an isolationist, backward, bigoted society preserved only for pur laine francophones. I hope you are right about the future. I saw on the news tonight that St. Agathe has been told by the Language Police that they are to supply nothing to their English population in their language but some flyers are permitted. The mayor was saying that the whole community gets along just great and he hates to stop publications in English but has to obey the law. They are not considered a bilingual area. Isn't that just fu----- wonderful? When does this harassment stop? And then big mouth Lisee gets up and says he wants the anglophone population to realize that they are welcome here in quebec and are part of quebec society. Two faced bastards that they are. And don't bother wasting your typing skills "student", you'll get no reaction from me no matter what you repeat out of this dissertation.

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    5. The harrassment stops - when these politicos are exposed for their 'illegal acts - and criminal abuse of their limited powers' - and exposed one by one. Also when our population understands that - demanding the population - businesses etc... to criminally discriminate against the TAX Payer, the citizenry - citing it as a 'Loi" is outright 'criminal lunacy' -- and there is no way - we are going to be forced to comply! Period. And of course that these 'elected to represent BOTH - populations' - VIOLATORS - be removed from their positions - immediately. They have STOLEN our democracy - All our rights from ALL of us and have - created a total 'ILLEGAL' Dictatorship - without our knowledge and certainly without our 'REQUIRED' consent. Take a look - at ALL the 'loi's the QC legislators have enacted over the years and I promise you - you'll be appalled. They've turned it into a Quebec style - police state - where le gouvernement de quebec - pretty much tells the population what 'they are 'allowed to do and say'. All criminal violations of their 'limited powers' (civil law) - and deemed 'Null & void" - throughout the Constitution - and in spite of the fact that the QC legislators - claim they haven't signed the Constitution - they are STILL Bound to adhere to the OATH of Office - they have SWORN to OBEY. Notwithstanding all the sick - LIES they've been feeding to the 'quebecois' they profess to want to 'protect from the sea of English' - total bulls...t.

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  19. Ed - I am supporting their endeavours to stop business and contracts from being awarded to this province until our rights and freedoms are restored. I also hope everyone on here will do the same. We don't have many ways to fight these bigots but we should support any organized effort to put a stop to the abuse of the anglophone and allophone communities. Please join everyone - doesn't cost anything!

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    1. It also doesn't 'cost anything' to denounce these 'language loi's' for the ILLEGAL discriminatory 'null & void' - 'criminal acts' they actually are. And it also doesn't cost anything to DEMAND QC legislators be 'Removed from Office immediately' for their illegal abuse of power. And it also doesn't cost anything to TOTALLY REJECT these LUNATIC Loi's that have been FORCED UPON US all these years. And it would behoove all of us to WITHHOLD OUR TAX DOLLARS - (the population of Greater Montreal - contributes 69% of the Provinces tax revenue) both Provincial & Federal - because we sure as hell are NOT getting anything for them - now are we?

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    2. I agree Didi but don't know that could be done if you are not independently employed. Usually the taxes are deducted before you ever get the pay check and I don't think there are many companies that would go along with your idea although I think it's a great one. And NO we are not getting anything from these bums except more harassment. Perhaps that's another movement that could be created - no taxation without representation.

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    3. Hi Cutie003: Well I've been both self employed and employed - here. And I know I had the choice to withhold at least some of my taxes until the end of the year. The UI - and Medicare were automatically deducted. But the Federal & Provincial I had the freedom to withhold until tax time. I am by no means an expert on taxes - but I do know - when I first floated the concept (a couple of years ago) - last year Linda Hammerschmid - a bulldog of a lawyer - was guesting on Tommy Schnurmachers show - and she brought the issue up - and inferred there'd be no problem doing just that. And from what I'm hearing - the idea is starting to take root and believe with the right 'legal support' - the tax money from businesses etc... would be going into an 'escrow type account' to be released once the 'matter has been decided by the Supreme Court Of Canada'... which as Linda said "Should take around 4 years".. :):)

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    4. If it's possible Didi, then I'm all for it. A few may go to jail for not paying but perhaps that's the price we pay to get through to these language bigots.

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    5. Withholding taxes in a secure account (or escrow account- for lack of a better expression) while the 'lawsuit' winds its way through the 'legal system' is not illegal. The money is still there - but being held legally - until the Supreme Court decides if or WHY we haven't been given the services and rights - freedoms, and all the other benefits - like equality - JOBS in English (or for that matter JOBS in OUR Civil Services etc...) - why 'Our elected representatives' have NOT represented our voices, rights etc.. AT ALL - and why they have forced these criminal acts upon us etc... It is NOT in the least illegal - because of course, the attorney filing these 'charges' on 'Our behalf' - and the bank - would oversee the monies. It's not like we won't be paying - they will just be 'withheld' from the 'politicos' who have refused TO DELIVER the product we've purchased :)

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    6. I would love to see people do that - hopefully something good will come of all of this if we can get organized.

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  20. Just received the following on my e-mail if you want to find out more about Alliancequebec2:

    4pm-5pm today Full of hour of me on Radio 1650 AM-Tune in!
    by alliancequebec2
    Hi all, I realize there aren't that many followers to this blog as of now, but I'm hoping that will change in 2013. More media, more media... so I'm doin' it. I have a full hour on the Money and Business hour where I will be talking primarily economic impediments to our current laws. Tune in, call in, tell your friends, spread the word and thank you for all the support and kind words! cheers!

    alliancequebec2 | January 16, 2013 at 5:12 pm | Tags: Alliance Quebec 2, Bill 101, Bill 14, Bread and butter, business, corrution, economy, financial, social issues | Categories: Uncategorized | URL: http://wp.me/p2Tdzs-70

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  21. I believe - anyone in the 'Right Mind' knows that Richard Bain - had at the very least a total 'nervous breakdown'. And for anyone - to try, convict and sentence this man - to "rot in jail" - is endorsing a vigilante type justice - don't you think? Richard Bain, clearly needs psychiatric help and care. What we should -imo- be taking a look at is why he 'broke into pieces' - that has yes - destroyed the victim and his family's lives, but also destroyed his own - BECAUSE he was/is mentally ill. And if we have reached the stage where - we throw our mentally ill fellow citizens into the garbage - well then we have no right to call ourselves 'human beings' anymore.

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    1. Again I totally agree but that will depend on some doctor's opinion and God only knows what "break" he will get in the quebec court system. As the editor remarked, you have to wonder what mental state someone is in to go out in the street in his bathrobe to shoot the premier. Also wonder if the whole event could have been avoided with the election of the liberals.

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      "Also wonder if the whole event could have been avoided with the election of the liberals."

      easy one: yes it would have been avoided. so?

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    3. @student : "so?" So everyone who voted for the PQ is indirectly responsible for this crime...

      @Didi Miesen : You have to be mentally ill to kill your own children, you have to be mentally ill to kill a dozen people in a movie theater, you have to be mentally ill to shoot children in an elementary school etc.

      If we use this path, you can blame mental illness for all the tragedies that happened in this world.

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    4. @guillaume

      "everyone who voted for the PQ is indirectly responsible for this crime..."

      haha! yeah right. vote liberal because otherwise english canadians will kill people. don't forget that line when the next election comes. it's gold, mate.

      by the way, are you a humorist?

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    5. @student: Well - that's pretty much been the case to date hasn't it? I mean what 'Sane' person strolls into a theater and starts shooting? What 'sane' person kills their own children? What sane person goes out in their bathrobe - and strolls into a political celebration and starts shooting? Sane people - do NOT behave that way. And given none of us are in the mental health profession - what gives us the right to - determine their mental state anyway? Other than what we all pretty much acknowledge as 'normal' behavior as mentioned.

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    6. @didi

      i'm sorry i can't figure out to which one of my comments you're responding here didi miesen.

      doesn't fit with either the futility of wondering if bain would have killed if liberals had won and it doesn't fit with my hypothesis about guillaume légaré's profession...

      can you help?

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    7. @student: I can - but my answer to you is, Nope.

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      you don't want to tell me which one of my comments you are responding to?!?

      that's odd.

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  22. FROM ED
    DIDI, I wish you would promote writing the news instead of just denouncing things. If the Gazette recieved 20 letters from us as individuals within a week they would have to smarten up. Letters durect to columnists give them the material to write for us. They should not mention the blog NDOA as that wouldake itlooklike a conspiracy. 20 letters from 20 individuals might move the P.M. to action.
    I feel you are the person that can do this. You speak forcefully, directly and straight forward.
    Folks willlisten to you.
    Please instead of just talking about what's wrong
    could we try some action? Ed

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    1. Just to let you know: The Gazette (while owned by CanWest - but all the way back to when Joan Fraser was editor - right up to Raymond Brassard's stint as Managing Editor - who BTW is a Vermonter who 'took over the reins' in 95/96 and how told me personally "He came here to 'Save the French language" ) and before the current New Owners - has received 'COUNTLESS thousands of letters to the editor, phone calls, etc... that have NEVER been published or acknowledged other than make references about 'Anglo Extremists' etc... Also note** Long term staffers, writers, journalists English ones including, Anti-language loi columnists like Bill Johnson were FIRED - or like they did to Peggy Curran - gave her the College and University portfolio - hidden deep into the 'nobody reads this' section. Here's an article I wrote a couple of years ago about it: http://politicallyincorrectandproudofit.com/index/montreal-gazette-in-the-toilet-here-s-why

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  23. Our young friend EDM just wrote his first ever e-mail (don't know to whom) but Ed, myself and Mr. Sauga have been writing to the federal and provincial members of parliament and to the editors of english language newspapers. Ed is right - we should all make a concerted effort to denounce these bigots for exactly what they are. Look at the Indians - they take action to get things accomplished and we should learn from them. They are frustrated with the government's inaction in their case also but they do something about it. We must make the same efforts to regain our rights and freedoms in this country. No province should be allowed to override the rights of citizens in this country.

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  24. Sorry Didi - Just looked up your profile and see that you are fighting back big-time against these seppies and their discriminatory laws. Thank you - all of you that are participating in this battle.

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      CUTIE,
      I didn't accuse Didi of not taking action. I know she takes action which is why I was asking her to lead the rest of us. God knows I've tried and the only thing I seem to accomplish is annoying people.
      QUEBECER
      I have no idea what you're talking about. Nobody is suggesting exxtremism.Where did you get that idea?
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    2. Hello Ed,
      Thanks for taking the time to 'look up my profile'. I was getting ready to 'reply' to your first post.... and ran across your others re: me, just in time to change - the 'tone' of my reply :)

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  25. "How come it's OK for the separatists to talk, and act on, these things but not the anglophones?"

    You don't need to defend normal.

    This is why there isn't crazy language rights groups on the anglo side.
    This is why decent people weren't out in the streets defending the tuition hikes.

    If you become as extreme as them (which is where some of you seem to want to take it), you'll be no better than the people you talk about here.

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    1. please list the suggestions previously mentioned that you deem extreme?

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    2. @Quebecker of Tree Stump: You know, I've been hearing this - "Anglo extreme", accusation for DECADES - coupled with 'warnings/suggestions' - somewhat like yours - "(which is where some of you seem to want to take it)..." etc.. FACT: There has NEVER been ANY ANGLO or Anglo group - that has ever done anything that remotely hinted of ANY KIND of extremism! Notwithstanding Mr. Bain,the FIRST and only Anglo/Allo who - finally driven to a public horrific nervous breakdown. If per chance, you are referring to some of the posters expressing their 'anger' - frustration etc... without walking on eggs - so as not to upset a Separatist or language loi disciple, well guess what: After 40 years of having our noses rubbed deeper and deeper into the pile of garbage can they 'gifted us' for 'not upsetting them' - you wanna bet we have more than earned the right to be angry. We have earned the right to be furious BIG TIME. Also know: The Language loi disciples and Seppies deserve NO respect - NO consideration - and imho - I think it's high time - we get right into their GUTTER - and communicate on THEIR level - because they sure as hell have made it clear the more we bend over the deeper their disgust and contempt for us, no?

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      "...the more we bend over the deeper their disgust and contempt for us, no?"

      no. and what's a imho?

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    4. Didi is absolutely right - the route of being pacifist to the seppies gains absolutely nothing but more and more ethnic cleansing of the anglo and allo population in this province. The less we do, the more contempt they show. Check out the IF website and see how much contempt they have for everything english.

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    5. Student.

      "IMHO" stands for "In My Honest Opinion." You are not a student, that much is clear.

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    6. Thanks ScipiiRye. I thought it was, "In My Humble Opinion" :) - but like your version as well. And I agree 'Student' is not a student.

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  26. We also cannot sit back and let them run roughshod over our rights and freedoms. All it takes for them to win is for the the silent majority to sit back and do nothing. How do you suggest we stop them? Just complaining about them to each other will not accomplish anything but more frustration. Action must speak louder than words. Are we to lose our country to these bunch of bigots without putting up a struggle? What kind of cowards are we?

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    1. "How do you suggest we stop them?"

      one way would be to calm down and answer questions from fellow contributors cutie003. you know the ones who don't take for granted that lisée is a demon, that quebec can't go louisiana and that the best leader we can hope for is jean charest.

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    2. We shout it from every rooftop, via every publication, email, call every MNA - every MP - every Senator - and demand to know - how on earth they have endorsed these criminal discriminatory loi's forced upon us. We demand their resignation for gross abuse of power. We unite to withhold our taxes - because we've certainly been DENIED the services benefits, jobs etc.. protections - those taxes pay for! The list is endless. We OUT the politicians who have SOLD ALL our rights and freedoms (and trust me when I say ALL) to the QC Legislators - without our knowledge, another violation of their powers. And we get rid of the "Fear Factor" - too many have grown up (conditioned to believe is the 'norm'), to not upset the separatists & media fed bull... and understand this Province belongs to us - not to this small pack of criminal BIGOTS. Let's out them one by one - for starters. That's what 'I" think :)

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    3. To answer Ed, Cutie003 and Land of Tazmandoo: Nothing specific in the comments for this post seems extreme, but we've all seen our share of posts that tend to somewhat validate the seppie arguments.
      To take it even further, and I'm sure many of you won't agree, but I think even the idea of partition, which has been discussed many times on this blog, is extreme.

      Honestly, I don't believe that the separatist movement is gaining any ground. I don't see how it can, when you consider how accessible information and international communication have become. Younger generations aren't going to be so easily misled by separatist propaganda.

      Yes, we've been hearing about them more lately, and yes, they've been trying their hardest to rekindle the whole language issue while pissing us (pretty much anyone who isn't just french) off as much as possible. I see all this perhaps as some sort of last ditch effort, a last try to get some support from the few people who might still care, or are who are still stuck in the past.
      The numbers don't show much support for the PQ or their agenda, they just managed to use the corruption issue to get rid of the liberals. The PQ can't even discuss a referendum, because they know there's no support for it. Old man Parizeau has even moved on to Option Nationale since he doesn't believe the PQ can achieve sovereignty.

      The interesting thing to me is that if we start making an issue out of it, if we start protesting, if we start discussing partition seriously, that might just be enough to give them more support. That's the last thing I want to do.

      You can call me a coward, but I think the best game plan so far is to just ride it out and hope they don't cause too much damage to our economy. Right now they can't push anything too far, because they don't have the support. I say let them make their noise, their whole ideology will soon find itself with very few supporters.

      But then again, I predicted the death of the PQ in the last elections...

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    4. I am truly sorry to have to disagree with you Quebecker of Treestump: Frankly the Separatists don't really worry me. They will go down in flames - just like before. Their extremism is a given and 'their version of normal'. There is no hope of ever changing their minds and imo a total waste of time and energy. NOTHING we do or say will ever make a whit of difference to any of them. As for the seps trying to 'rekindle the language issue'. The Seps are not doing anything the Provincial Liberals haven't been doing to us. THEY are the Party that has ERASED our language, our rights, our freedoms - and have made behind the scene deals with the Federal Libs (when they held power) for DECADES - cleansing more and more English off the Greater Montreal Area Map - denying us entry into the workforce - erasing English off gouvernment websites - the list is endless. This 'linguistic peace' people speak of. Tell me - Peace for who? Us? What linguistic peace have we had? That imo - is nothing but more media BS - forced fed us often enough - long enough, by our own - supposed English media & supposed (self professed) spokespersons; the 'buzz words' - like Anglo Extremists - to keep us in line and obedient and SCARED. We have NOTHING LEFT - and believe me on that one too! And you bet we should make an issue out of it. It is the most important ISSUE there is. It is OUR LIVES - we're talking about. Do you know most people under 50 in this province - have NEVER experienced TRUE EQUAL RIGHTS - that the ROC - takes for granted? That we USED to have - by we - I mean people like me - who remember the days before these SICK IN THE HEAD Language Loi's were enacted? It breaks my heart to hear your fear. And that is what MUST be abolished. You deserve to know what living without it - with your spirit FREE to live and thrive right here in YOUR Province - as AN EQUAL :)

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    5. For sure we have no true friends in provincial politics - that's the reason we need a new federalist provincial party. I hope we come up with one before the next election; one that truly represents our interests.

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      what are your "interests" cutie003?

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    7. Personally , I don't believe in turning the other cheek... If some dumb ass wants to physically want's to assault me because I'm speaking English in the streets of Montreal or in the Metro.. I'm prepared to defend myself and i will not apologize to anybody...

      Secondly Partition backed up by military intervention is the only answer... Kweebec on it;s knees No more of "some more equal then others"

      if anything the students proved that Mass demonstrations can bring down a government.. WE the Anglos/Ethnics must be prepared to say NO Loudly enough for the World to hear....

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    8. Quebecer of Tree Stump - I do not find the above comments "extremist". The seppie extremists have made it perfectly clear that they will push us to the limits of our patience and would love nothing better than to rile the federalist government enough to intervene in provincial matters so that they can say they are "colonized and forced to leave". This is when partition will become the only way to democratically settle this matter and they vote to take the land that they are entitled to DEMOCRATICALLY. Municipal or Federal District referendums to decide who stays Canadian and who goes. Won't happen soon enough for me.

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    9. The irony is: We've all been held captive with 'terror' of what the seppies' threaten to do if... we dare speak up, dare tell the truth, etc... The FACT is: these FLQ 'heirs' are a TINY band of, imo mentally ill - cowardly -'THUGS' who deface cemeteries, homes etc...when no one is around to confront them, show up at English rights protests - threatening people and believe me, total quivering wimps in court, for the odd one or two that has been charged, Again, the Quebec media continues to maliciously feed the 'brainwashed' FEAR of 'upsetting' the now - fictional 'seppie & language loi disciple' reprisals. I believe what HAS held us all captive all these years - was our inability to communicate with each other. And by that I mean French - English, Allo etc... We USED to have the MEDIA as our communication TOOL. That's the NORM in democratic societies. That VEHICLE has of course been DENIED ALL of us - with the ragtag - politically DIRECTED - "Keep the people divided and afraid" pieces of garbage they've been FEEDING us - all these years. Fortunately, thanks to Social Media - those days are over and the TRUTH is bubbling to the surface. As for 'partition' - well I'm all for it - as long as the seppies and lunatic language loi enforcers - partition themselves - OUT OF OUR Canadian OWNED Province and country. Mind you - that is after they face criminal charges of course :)

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  27. FROM ED
    I remember why the army was in Montreal during the Olympics. The FLQ had threartened trouble if the Quebec flag did not lead the parade along with some other silliness. Ed

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  28. Considering Popoline Mardois thinks it was a POLITICAL attempt to her life, the guy stands no chance. She is looking to be anointed a living martyr and enlightned ruler and as such she would not accept the ridicule of being targeted by insane people.

    And why not give Bain himself some blog space, if he is interested.

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    1. I doubt he has access to a computer but if he did I'm sure we would all be interested in hearing what he had to say, including the editor.

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  29. Quick mixed bag of comments here:

    > Bain has objected that the document be deposited with the court in English(sic) at his trial.
    You do mean French, right?

    > the consequence of being found not criminally responsible via the insanity defence is too high a price for society and more importantly, the family of the victim to pay.
    I'm not sure I agree with this. If we can't find people not guilty by way of insanity, we send them all to jail. Certainly some moderation is called for. Which leads me to the following comment:

    > In advancing the so-called right of the criminally insane to an acquittal, we hinder the grieving family from achieving closure and healing,
    A slippery slope to revenge. Do we try people solely to punish them?

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    1. > > Already the media has created a cordon sanitaire, refusing to let Mr. Bain tell his side of the story and explain exactly what he did and why he did it.
      I wonder what kind of answer Ed or Cutie would get if they wrote CJAD and asked them to clearly explain why they've only aired a very short excerpt of that very unsolicited call. It surprises me that more people haven't seen fit to ask that question publicly.

      > Doesn't the public have a right to hear to the story directly from the horse's mouth?
      Right with you on this one.

      > As for mentioned, the RRQ statements often imply physical violence, sometimes directly though most often suggestively. These days people got so PR savvy that they never say things directly.
      I agree. How soon we forget this particular stunt in which the Réseau de Résistance du Québécois saw fit to publish the names and addresses of major Liberal Party (of Quebec) donors? If that isn't incitement, I don't know what is...

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    2. Apparatchik: I totally agree with you about CJAD. CJAD has NOT been our friend or Represented the community they profess to serve and speak on behalf of for too many years to count. It is also high time we hold our 'Media to task". Thank goodness the net, social media etc.. is finally allowing us to use the TOOLS WE'VE BEEN DENIED - by 'Our' Media (sic). On a positive note - at least The Gazette has been purchased by the owners of the National Post - and hopes are high that professional journalism may be returning to our City after decades of the BS "We support Bill 101" - bile that's poured off its pages far too long :)

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  30. FROM ED
    APPARATCHIK
    I wish you hadn't said that. "I wonder what kind of answer Ed or Cutie would get if they wrote CJAD"
    Everyone seems to have the same idea, let someone else do it. Why don't you do it and give us the answer? Ed

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  31. FRFROM ED
    DIDI such a loss. Your rants could be put to good use if you used them where they should be. Ed

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    1. definition of "rant": to talk in a noisy, excited, or declamatory manner.

      question: in what context does a rant can "be put to good use" ed?

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    2. Ed - Didi is participating whole-heartedly in our battle and I hope others follow her example. She is angry as we all should be.

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    3. @cutie003

      "She is angry as we all should be."

      so you can be angry and discuss rationally at the same time cutie003?

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    4. Please define what parts of my posts - you consider a rant Anonymous? And ditto: to student. I believed this page wanted 'opinions' - And note** I've posted nothing but FACTS - And of course I'm angry - as we ALL are and have EVERY Right to be.
      So please detail why you are reacting with name calling and unfounded accusations.
      BTW student: The term is: 'defamatory' - not declamatory. And again note** there is not one 'defamatory' sentence in my posts. Trust me on that. They are ALL TRUE. I suggest you go look up the 'legal definition' .
      I do though look forward to your reply - because I have no interest in a name calling - attack game. That's been so overdone it's turned into a huge YAWN and of course gets us nowhere. Also overdone.

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    5. FROM ED
      We're all angry Cutie but ranting here does nothing. Didi says,"We shout it from every rooftop, via every publication, email, call every MNA - every MP - every Senator - and demand to know - how on earth they have endorsed these criminal discriminatory loi's forced upon us." But she doesn't shout it from every roof top, she shouts it here. Preaching to the choir. The Liberals might be our only chance (or at least our best ) of getting the PQ out of office. Ranting against them is not going to help us in future. It's the sort of thing that gave power to the CAQ and destroyed the Liberal's chances last time. That's exactly what happened to the Equality party, they talked a lot and did nothing. I'm so fucking sick of this. Didi's right when she says we have the tools now but no one wants to pick them up and use them. One letter to CNN or CTV will do more than four long rants and an argument with student. I f she was the leader she thinks she is she would be encouraging others to reach out not complaining to them how fed up she is.
      As far as the Liberals are concerned, of course they did nothing. We never asked them to. Typical English complacency left them thinking we were happy, why bother? If we can get them reelected on a promise to renew English rights our problem is solved. We should be out there in full support of our best chance instead of defaming them. ED

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    6. Ed - Look up Didi's profile (by clicking on her name on her posts) and you will see that she is, and has been working hard just like you, I and Mr. Sauga are to get the message out. She has her own blog and she is shouting it from the rooftops and writing letters, etc.

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    7. @didi

      "The term is: 'defamatory' - not declamatory..."

      nope, the term is declamatory. a rant is declamatory, it maybe defamatory as well, but doesn't have to.

      "And of course I'm angry - as we ALL are and have EVERY Right to be."

      who's we? the angry people i assume? all the angry people are angry, is that it? i'll have to agree with that.

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    8. I realize that right now the liberals are our only option but they have cut our throats over and over for the past 30 years Ed just because the KNOW they are our only option. I can just hear them in their strategy sessions: "Received 50 letters from Mr. Ed Brown this week about rights and freedoms here in Quebec - should we take note of this? Mr. Charest - well, I feel bad for Mr. Brown but we don't have to worry about losing his vote because who else is he going to vote for? Received 500 letters from separatist Mr. Duceppe - more votes there; guess we better listen to him or he may vote for one of the other separatist parties." Unfortunately for us, all politicians care about is the vote - nothing else. That's what keep them employed at our expense.

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    9. Ed: First and Foremost: I have NO INTEREST in 'Leading ANYTHING'. And I've made that CRYSTAL CLEAR - too many times to count in too many forums to count. Go take a look at last weeks Huff Post - where almost a 'carbon copy' of what you say here was posted to me. Was that you? I'VE DONE MY TIME - a hell of a lot more and I BET YOU a hell of a LOT Longer than you, my friend - AND a hell of a lot more effectively. YOU CLEARLY know NOTHING about me - or my history or my actions. And YET you seem to feel the NEED to belittle and negate me. Now why is that? As for your saying, "We never asked the Liberals to do anything" !! Good grief man, have you been living out of Province - or out of country for the past 30 years?

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    10. Luc Harvey - the 'self professed new leader (now tossed out) of the Quebec Conservative Party - told me - the gang (paraphrasing) in Quebec City - has an 'inside joke' about "English translation to follow". He found it hilarious. Enough said.

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    11. @student: Of course one can be 'angry a speak rationally', at the same time. :) That's how many wrongs are and have been righted - throughout time :)

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    12. PS: And 'differences of opinions' are just that. Differences of 'opinions' imo are healthy and necessary. Like a group of people - be it business or politics ' getting together to 'Brainstorm'. Otherwise - we'd all be saying the same thing, the same way, like robots or zombies - or like the Taliban and 'like groups'... turn into terrorists and declare jihads - when someone dares disagree or offer a 'different opinion' :)

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    13. @didi

      "Of course one can be 'angry a speak rationally', at the same time."

      err... no. a angry dude doesn't dissert rationally. anger is an emotion, remember?

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  32. FROM ED
    QUEBECER
    Partition was a pipe dream that sounded good but a total waste of time. It would take a decade and not solve the problem. We must forget that idea. There will be an Election by spring because the opposition will force it by blocking everything the Seps try to do. Our best bet, in spite of what Didi and Mr Sauga say, is the Liberals. Get them elected to get rid of the PQ. We can go from there.
    It would be a lot easier focing the Liberal government to scrap the language laws than the PQ.
    If the Equality party springs up it will only split the vote and reelect the PQ. The CAQ has no chance. Everybody knows that Farncois Legault was the separatist that first introduced Pauline Marois as a leader in 1981 where they all applauded the FLQ terrorists. If they don't know that, come election time I'll mmake sure they do.
    Let's get through the winter, things will look better ibn the spring. By then the PQ will have hung themselves. Ed

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    1. Couillard, Bachand and Moreau said a few days that they won't review Bill 101
      http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2013/01/13/quebec-liberal-leadership-first-debate.html

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    2. Given the Liberals (both Federal & for sure Provincial) ACTIONS over the past 40 years - the "Our best bet is the Liberals" mindset of course imo, hasn't borne fruit - has it? They have lied to us - shut us out 'illegally' from participating in the political system - ex: in forming platforms, allowing our voices & needs & rights etc... to be heard and honored and RESPECTED. So why on earth should we 'trust' them? I mean how many times do we have to get punched in the face by these people? Now - IF & WHEN this party - these Legislators - run on a platform of abolishing the I repeat: The ILLEGAL discriminatory Language Loi's - the Language Police & 'Officially' (sic) REINSTATE - English as an OFFICIAL language - then and only then should we consider - supporting them. WE PAY these people to HONOR & OBEY their Oaths Of Office. To date: NOT ONE OF THEM has! I do though agree that the CAQ has split the vote and also believe it was created DELIBERATELY to do just that.

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  33. It's obvious that the FLQ and Guy Turcotte weren't punished severely enough. It's even more obvious that those two judgments were awful and they shouldn't be used as barometers as to how we should judge Bain.

    This discussion about the fact that, sadly, the FLQ's actions seem often socially accepted is legitimate, however making a link between the FLQ's case and Bain's case is clumsy.

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  34. FROM ED
    Couillard is a brilliant man. He is not going to commit political suicide. Whether to look into any bill will be upto the party, not the leader. let him at least attain the leadership before expecting him to make dumb statements. Ed

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    1. What's brilliant about him Ed? Am not being sarcastic here. All I know about him is what the 'media' has presented and do you know what his position is on the 'language loi's'?

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  35. For all those that are interested including Didi received this on my e-mail this morning.

    Quick radio show post mortem
    by alliancequebec2
    Thanks to those who tuned in - it was a great show though in a full hour I was barely able to scratch the surface of issues/ideas etc. If you missed it, it replays next Monday at 7pm on AM-1650 and I'm told the MP3 SHOULD be up on their website on Friday.

    The biggest news from the show - Robert Libman, former CSL Mayor, Equality Party Leader and my former MNA called into the show and endorsed me, my ideas and what I'm trying to do here. This is big news... now we will see if I can parlez that into some more media spots. Buzz, buzz, buzz... spread the word and thanks again all! More soon!

    alliancequebec2 | January 17, 2013 at 1:22 am | Tags: economy, Finance, Ian Stone, Money, post analysis, Quebec, radio, Robert Libman | Categories: Uncategorized | URL: http://wp.me/p2Tdzs-76
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    1. @Cutie: It looks like AM-1650 doesn't have the 'wattage' to reach the South Shore - the Saint Lambert - Brossard area. (: I will look up their website - for sure and bravo to you :):)

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  36. I will have to check out the website also as I live in Gatineau. Hope you're able to listen (me too)

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    1. It would be great if you could post the link !

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    2. Tried to get the link Didi but screwed up my computer with a bunch of stuff that's taken me 3 hours to fix = lol. Sorry - I hope you have better luck.

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  37. FROM ED
    DIDI, You have asked for an answer so I'm going to write one more, then I'm dropping out of the column to find a place where I'm not wasting time.
    Actually studet has it right.The word is decalatory meaning loud which I take from all your upper case letters. The only name I have called you is DIDI which I felt was appropriate. You are no worse than anyone else on the blog and it's such a shame. As you say the tools are here but try to get people to send a simple email. That's why I'm disappointed in you. People on this blog
    seem to like you and with your experience you could get them to make the blog more than an information piece. CNN hs asked for material but when they keep getting from the same person, they think I am a disgruntled Anglo complaining for nothing. Exactly what I've been saying about the Liberals, if no one's complaining why should they act. I give up. If you can't see this then it's useless. Ed

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    1. Ed: I took a look at this BLOG - because a friend asked me to; have been aware of it but have NOT posted nor followed it in the last couple of years. Yesterday is the FIRST time I've posted - as you must know. I've seen it being promoted by individuals I know via FB - and by various FB 'Groups' like the 'Put The Canadian Flag Back .." that FYI has blocked me & others - from posting - since a Mike K came on board who bans people, left right and center' - seemingly on a whim because 'he or his pals' - prefer to 'tell' people what they are 'allowed' to say. Very strange indeed (destructive really) if one is trying to grow a group. And I've also made it clear to various groups - I will NOT participate if the BLOCK or BAN anyone - for having a 'different opinion'. That is what 'groups' - movements are all about - and the ONLY way a 'Group' eventually comes to a 'consensus' - a united platform. Otherwise it is NOT a group but from my experience - nothing other than a little dictatorship that of course - disintegrates into nothing.
      Frankly given I don't know you - from Adam. And you seemingly don't know me - how on earth can you be disappointed in me? Just because a couple of people 'Like what I have to say' - you believe I should what? Make this blog 'something more than an information piece". This is NOT my Blog Ed. Building it certainly is NOT my responsibility. NOR is it my desire. I have my own Blogs and activities that I don't have enough hours in the day to keep up with, as it is. So who are you Ed - to tell me - or anyone for that matter what they should be doing? Or how they should be doing it? As for material to give to CNN - and other news outlets... what say you get your friends and colleagues to help you. And there's volumes of material from all kinds of sources including my sites - but certainly not exclusive to them, by a long shot to send to CNN. As for my use of CAPS - well it just happens to be my writing style via this kind of medium because there are no word processing functions like 'bold' - italics' 'underline' etc.. available. And given publications like MacCleans', National Post, Huffington Post and many more ... have NEVER had a problem with my use of CAPS over the years - you having a problem with them is NOT MY PROBLEM. And I repeat: You saying no one has a 'problem' with the Liberals etc.. gives the impression that you yourself, are 'new at this'. And you saying 'I give up'... enough said.

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    2. I sent an email to CNN today. Hopefully they'll do a story on the situation in Quebec eventually.

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    3. @cutie003

      last week you were writing, and repeating, that only people living in quebec could understand the situation.

      how can you support people trying to get americans to get involved?!?

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  38. "who's we? the angry people i assume? all the angry people are angry, is that it? i'll have to agree with that."

    This guy's posts remind me of the Dane Cook parody on Mad TV.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMV4kwbSdw4

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  39. Since student has taken over, Complicated and S.R are very quiet...

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    1. Actually, Guillaume, I noticed too, that S.R is absent; but not being missed - on my part.

      I think he's 'missing' since the weekend - when, incidentally, there was a hit and run in Sherbrooke, that unfortunately ended in the death of a young woman. Hm... just wondering'.

      Yeah, I know, I have a wild imagination.

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    2. There was also a guy arrested for harassment of people on line. Me too, I have an imagination.

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  40. Isn't it nice to have to skip over only one name and not three? I love it - lol

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