Monday, December 10, 2012

Canada Oblivious to Anglo Destruction in Quebec

"Bill 14, if passed, would force the Quebec government to evaluate all of Quebec's 90 official bilingual municipalities and remove the special designation if "it considers it appropriate in light of all the circumstances."  Link
I'm  not sure the above statement is government policy or a media interpretation of the PQ's new law which seeks to 're-inforce' the French language by further persecuting its English citizens.
Click to download a PDF of  Bill 14 in English
Whether the new law will be applied as described remains to be seen, but who can deny that regardless, the statute hangs like the Sword of Damocles over our community.

It reminds us that the law in Quebec protecting English rights in any particular town or city requires that the minority be the majority, a grotesque concept that defies the definition of what a minority actually is, a precept that utterly defies logic.

And so it appears that we are entering the penultimate phase of the struggle, a prelude to the very final showdown.
If the walls of Fortress English Montreal are successfully breached by a government bent on destroying the English community, it will mark  the beginning of the end of the language 'war,' one that is to be lost because the side with the power, the resources and the numbers, just plain refused to defend itself.

For those in the Rest of Canada who tell the Anglos of Quebec to get the heck out and surrender our homes and lives, I can only register my profound sadness at the betrayal.
It is a particularly bitter pill to swallow, this exhortation to cut and run,  a testament of cowardly abandonment.

It is as if a military commander has judged our forward position untenable and so strategically decided that withdrawal is the safest course of action.
If that is a metaphor that has credence, then how badly that commander has done his sums.

We are almost a million people.
More people than live in Ottawa, Winnipeg, all of Manitoba, or any of the Maritime provinces.
I couldn't imagine Canada telling the entire city of Calgary to abandon their home and move out without a fight. 

It is true that more than half our community has left Quebec under the relentless pressure of language  discrimination and visceral hate, the ongoing effort to linguistically cleanse Quebec of the English continues unabated with French militants at the barricades pushing for a re-doubling of the effort to rid us all for good.

All the while, Canadians stand by and watch the linguistic massacre benignly. 

Everyday for the last forty years, English Quebecers and their language have been characterized by their own provincial government, whether that government was 'separatist' or 'federalist' as an insidious threat to the majority, to be controlled like vermin, with a view to driving the numbers lower and lower to the ultimate  final solution.

How utterly incredible and sad to hear our fellow Canadians tell us that they would rather send a military mission costing billions and billions, not withstanding the countless lives wasted and ruined, to free Afghanistan from totalitarian rule, but somehow are not prepared to lift a finger to preserve the freedom of Anglophones to pursue their lives in peace and YES, in English, in a Canadian province that they did more than their share to build.

Worse in all this is the fact that Ottawa is actually financing the persecution, shipping billions upon billions of dollars each year from Canadians across the country to a government bent on destroying the vestiges of English life.

So thank you John in Vancouver, Mary in Edmonton and Richard in Peterborough for your overly generous tax contributions, sent to a province that uses this money to persecute and destroy your extended English family.

In the meantime, a snide and ungrateful Quebec recognizes this entitlement as an absolute birthright and mocks those Canadians who are so gutless that they would prefer to finance this cultural genocide, rather than rock the constitutional boat.

A harsh assessment?..I think not.

In all this, the separatists mock us, emboldened by Canada's weakness and so are encouraged to advance their cause in the face of so surprisingly little resistance.

Ironically, the very slightest pushback would send the separatists and language supremacists scurrying for cover, like rats in a dark room that suddenly has the light switched on.
When push comes to shove, Quebec cannot and will not stand up to a defiant Canada, the students demonstrated Quebec's true resolve. 
It is long overdue for the Canadian government to step into the Quebec language debate with it's own language legislation.
Simple amendments to the Official Languages Act can require towns and cities to provide English or French services where numbers reach a more reasonable percentage, perhaps 15% or 20%.
Legislation could be added to allow English or French signage to be protected anywhere in Canada and the right to receive or dispense alternate language services be enshrined.

If the separatists don't like it, they can have their referendum, one way or another it is high time Canadians face down that blackmail.
Canadians can no longer pay protection money to keep Quebec linguicists satisfied, it is undignified and cowardly.

Take it or leave it, it is up to Quebec to decide. My guess is that when push comes to shove, the majority will choose money and comfort over principle, it is the Quebec way.

The question I put to Canadians is simple, because decision time fast approaches.

Are you going to help us or not?

196 comments:

  1. Once the lie that the so-called "anglicisation of Montreal" is proven to be the myth that it is, the average French Canadian will realise that French in Canada is never going to die off, and stand with their anglophone neighbours against Bill 101, Bill 14 and all the other anti-English laws in place. It's not the French Canadians' fault that they fear for their language's place in Canada, they're being fed rubbish regularly by the separatist propaganda machine.

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    1. Oh, hell, EDM, and the Germans had zero idea about what the Nazis were doing. There was plenty of Nazi propaganda, but many applauded the persecution against the Jews. I remember a propaganda film produced by the Nazis showing an SS man kicking a Jew in the rear end as he was cleaning the street with a scrub brush with the biggest smile on his face.

      Editor, I don't give a rat's ass what you think about comparing Quebecism to Nazism, but that's what I'm going to do this time, because I'm in one foul mood. If the minorities stand by and let this happen, they deserve it. Complacency has come to this point. I left Quebec at my first opportunity, and I encourage all young people just starting out in life to do the same. Quebec is a useless lost cause.

      Didn't Frauline Merde Wad state in her election campaign she has respect for English? How, by not bringing out giant guillotines and decapitating English heads? I'm sure Herr Lisée has put the blade to the stone in giddy anticipation.

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    2. I am guessing by the language used by Editor in this post, he‘s alright with Nazi comparisons.
      The only thing that keeps them from being all out Nazis is being Canada. The desire is there.
      Remember how Falardeau admired the 9/11 bombers and wished the KKKebecois had just as much nerve? Maybe we should compare them to the Taliban instead. The Qualiban, the Qu Qlux Qlan.
      Disgusting.

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    3. If you compare "persecution" of Anglos by Quebecers to Nazism, how would you call the persecution of Palestinians by Israel?

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    4. Where did I say anglos were persecuted? Being in Canada keeps this from happening, it keeps the PQ as Nazi wannabes.
      It is the separatists who think their plight is on par with blacks in America, what a joke.

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    5. Serge, I have a one-word answer to your question: Justified.

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    6. The UN has recognized Palestine as a sovereign nation, Sauga. I hope you choke on the delicious irony.

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    7. From observation, virtually all those who support Palestinian statehood and Hamas are the same self-proclaimed "Anti-Zionists" spewing Hitleresque garbage like "The jews control the media!" and "The jews are responsible for all the wars". They are Anti-Semitic in the truest sense of the word, and point their finger at Israel as a way to mask their neo-Naziism. 6 million innocent lives wasn't enough, eh?

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    8. Free Palestine: Good comeback. You really dug into your repertoire to come up with that one! I think EDM responded very well to you and Serge, and while I could somewhat improve on EDM's response, it will suffice for I won't waste anymore time arguing with the brain-dead that you and Serge are.

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    9. @EDM : How many innocent Palestinians will have to be killed until it's not "justified" anymore. As far as I know, those people have nothing to do with the horrors that occurred during the WWII.

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    10. @Mr. Sauga : It's alright Mr. Sauga, no need to add more, we've already witness the double standard. On one hand, you are accusing Quebec nationalists of acting like bullies while being brainwashed by the PQ. On the other hand, you are supporting a government who believes he has the right to kill countless of civilians in the name of the war on terrorism. Just like Quebec nationalists you are blinded by your sentiments.

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    11. "KKKebecois", "Qu Qlux Qlan".

      I would like to point out that the KKK never caught in Québec. It never caught because the KKK is against anything that is white anglo-saxon protestant and, you might have noticed, we are not anglo-saxon nor protestant. We have never been much into an organisation dedicated, in Canada, to chasing down francos and catholics.

      KKK's strongest support was gained in SasKKKatchewan (in early XXth century, if my memory is right).

      I don't find KKK analogies that much offensive, I find them stupid.

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    12. To the ignoramuses contributing to this blog, and you know who you are: Yeah, you're absolutely right. Israel is killing innocent Palestinians for sport, just like hunting and fishing, and the federal government is squarely behind that behaviour.

      Israel stood with the hands behind their backs taking several hundred rockets being fired into Israel before finally responding. Too, it's hard not to kill those so-called "innocents" when Hamas is intentionally placing their weapons smack dab in the middle of unarmed "innocents" daring Israel to fire back.

      Gee, dumb asses, does Hamas drop leaflets warning "innocents" in the areas that face retaliation ahead of time the way Israel does? Hamas's way is putting the lives of the "innocents" in danger. While Israel makes every effort to destroy military installations, even as a bull's eye target among "innocents", unfortunately it's impossible to be pinpoint accurate 100% of the time.

      Believe me, ignos, Canada would not support that sort of behaviour, so I hope you showed your anti-Semitic loyalty by voting for SQ back in September.

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    13. I stand corrected. The Nazi references did get a mention up before Complicated, by none other than the hypocrite from Mississauga. He'll say one injustice is "justified" while ranting endlessly about the "injustice" he had "suffered", one that pales in comparison to the one dished out against the Palestinians.

      Complicated, I apologize. You were right to seize on the Nazi references yesterday.

      Now, Mississauga Guy, that you're done with the Nazi, it's time to rail against the Catholic Church, regardless of the fact that it has had nothing to do with anything for the past several decades. It has had no influence on culture, behavior, attitudes, nothing. It's been phased out of the picture just like you, when you packed up and left. Right after your graduation, right? You only wrote about it 500 times, so excuse me for not remembering.

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    14. Quebec nationalists and separatists might not be white Anglo-Saxon protestants, but many have supremacist attitudes. White hoods and robes would fit some of them quite well.

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    15. In Sauga's mind Pro-Palestinian = Anti-Semitic. How wonderful it must feel to live in a Manichean world where everything is white or black, where bad guys are evil and good guys are paragons, where there are no gray zones and no hard calls.

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    16. No, Free P., it's obvious you read one of the plenitudes of literature that fails to mention Israel stood by and took a plenitude of incoming shots before firing its first one; furthermore, it's also obvious you read one of the plenitudes of literature that fails to mention Israel drops leaflets to warn a bombing is coming and to clear out to avoid being injured or killed; it's obvious you are probably ignorant of the fact the Palestinians desecrated the 1972 Summer Olympics, used to bomb Israeli school buses intentionally killing little children until they learned that if they didn't stop that practice and hijacked planes all over the world to make a statement. Lest we forget...

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    17. Oops, didn't finish my thought. Had the Palestinians not ceased the practice of terrorism, they would not get financial support from the west.

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    18. The dropped leaflets don't excuse the wall of shame around cis-jordan, the roadblocks, the zionist colonies, the soldiers occupying cis-jordan.

      A drop in the bucket, those dropped leaflets are.

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    19. Bill 14 is just the expression of "where demands justifies it" applied systematically towards french people in the ROC. I don't think they would tolerate bilingual institutions in the ROC where only 7% of the people are french.

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  2. FROM ED BROWN
    There's no question, the media is the answer. Infortuntaely we also need the French media. Some of us have been writing to the Prime Minister and his cabinet. What the Fedarists need is to see their inaction in the media. We must do more than just writing it here.Send letters to all the papers that you can. Let's have the ones who are proficient in written French send emails to the French papers. Use radio talk shows but get the word out. let's waste no more time with the trolls and use our efforts to give comments about how we can and should proceed. Ed

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  3. The PQ was born the very second Rene Levesque laid eyes upon concentration camps when he was with the British soldiers in WW2.
    I don‘t want to hear how he had “noble goals“ and was a “civic nationalist“. Bullshit. He claimed to not like the ethnocentric ring to the name Parti Quebecois but he named his party that anyway. He claimed to loathe Camille Goebbels Laurin, yet he gave him the power to inflict the hate and segregationist law, Bill 101. He claimed to be ashamed when the cold blooded murdering terrorist scum Rose brothers received a standing ovation at a PQ convention in the 1980s but he made sure their invitations were in the mail anyway. And this is supposed to be their sacred and democratic leader?
    While I am bitter about how we have been betrayed by the RoC , I still recognize the protection that Canada provides. Read between the lines people, can you imagine if they got us out of Canada and away from the eyes of the english speaking world?

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    1. WHOA, J.J., WHHHOOOOOOA!!

      Read my comments at 1:20AM below. Put the blame squarely at 24 Sussex Drive, right on the Francophone Prime Minister of Canada who told his own constituents it's their problem and he wasn't going to fight their battles. Now his boy is looking to take the job, or the other Quebec guy with his head out in space. Think they're going to help you and Editor if they wear the crown? In your dreams, and when pigs could fly!! It is THEY who have, and will continue to, as you wrote, BETRAY you! Don't throw it on the shoulders of the RoC! So-called federalist Stéphane Dion called Bill 101 a "great Canadian law!" Trudeau, Mulroney, Chrétien and Martin have all been Quebec-represented prime minister, and not one goddamn one of them has come to your rescue. Your home province prime ministers are the ones who have betrayed you, and now the likes of you and Editor come crying to us, some 40 years later. FUGGEDABOUDIT!

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    2. The PQ was born the very second Rene Levesque laid eyes upon concentration camps when he was with the British soldiers in WW2.

      Oh FFS. Godwin of the year...

      While I am bitter about how we have been betrayed by the RoC ,

      You're playing the same tribalist politics nationalists play. Don't. Anglos don't win when they play that game. How long are we going to play this game and not realize this?

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    3. Here is an interesting paper by William Tetley on possibly why no one including the Supreme Court of Canada didn't lift a finger for minorities in Quebec.

      http://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3679&context=lcp&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3Dquebec%2Bsupreme%2Bcourt%2B%2522bill%2B22%2522%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D16%26cad%3Drja%26ved%3D0CEwQFjAFOAo%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fscholarship.law.duke.edu%252Fcgi%252Fviewcontent.cgi%253Farticle%253D3679%2526context%253Dlcp%26ei%3DwjLGUJfcJeOiyAGrxIGIBQ%26usg%3DAFQjCNGk49Jx2_UtzR-HTrKQGSvDiaxx_g#search=%22quebec%20supreme%20court%20bill%2022%22

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    4. Try shortening the URL ...
      http://is.gd/ixMgMM

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  4. Wait a minute, wait a minute.

    Editor, are you saying that we who choose to leave the province to find better life elsewhere are coward traitors? I can not say for anybody else, but for me personally the reason of my leaving is simply because the availability of job. Maybe I do not speak French as good as I should to live in Montreal, maybe I am not 'good enough' to join the Quebec society. Whatever the reason is, I got the offer from Toronto before anything came from Montreal. Am I expected to just waiting in Montreal until something come up?

    So now here I am. In Toronto. Once I move my family over I do not think I, we, will be back to Montreal to live in the foreseeable future. What do you suggest I do from here that can help Quebec English community to fight?

    This may be harsh, but I do think the best scenario is for English businesses and high-earners to leave the province. At the end, with no business and no taxpayers, separatists will be the ones left holding an empty bag.

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    1. Actually, Troy brought up a point I forgot about. Indeed, the best scenario IS for English businesses and high-earners to leave the province. It has already been proven that the minorities who make up only 20% of the Quebec population pay 40% of the taxes in Quebec. The 80% of Francophones pay just 60%. If that scenario happened too soon and too fast, Quebec, in one fell swoop, would be absolutely, completely and unequivocally B-R-O-K-E!

      Most Anglophones who left Quebec, I think, are too diplomatic and at least partially hiding that a major part of the reason for leaving is politics. I fully and freely admit it, and it's this political instability that is the reason better opportunities exist outside Quebec, not just in Toronto, but Calgary and other locales out West. Sun Life and CP Rail are two gigantic head offices that left Quebec, and there are others. If this PQ crap keeps up, the exodus will likely start again. I'd laugh until my head explodes if I ever hear SNC Lavalin or a like Quebec Inc. corporation moving its head office out of Quebec. It may be feasible for them to do so, especially after they have been roped into the corruption scandal going on in Quebec.

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  5. OK, my first post responding to EDM was based on reading just a few paragraphs of the post because I was hoping to be first, but second is OK.

    Now to YOU, Mr. Editor: You write at the end of your piece: "The question I put to Canadians is simple, because decision time fast approaches. Are you going to help us or not?"

    Editor, you've finally lost your lovin' mind! Haven't you or anyone else who closely reads this blog let read Tony Kondaks' book posted for free on-line?

    The Great Pierre Elliott Trudeau, voted into the Mount Royal constituency by a heavy majority of minorities, mostly Jews, told his constituents where to get off when they asked for his help and protection, yet his constituents, the crash test dummies that they were (including a very close aunt and uncle of mine), kept voting him in over, and over, and over, and over and over again.

    Howard Galganov sacrificed, and is still sacrificing a lot of time, energy and money to fighting Section 2b of the Constitution that is supposed to protect minority language rights. The worst chastising he faced was from the English press and radio stations like CJAD.

    Through most of the late 90s, already over a decade since I left Quebec for the Real Canada, I used to come into Montreal every month or two for a few days at a time, and all I'd hear on CJAD at lunchtime and hear the same old s**t, new month, bigger shovel. It would feature Gord Sinclair, Melanie King (whom, if I'm correct, has moved to Australia?), Tommy Schnurmacher and I believe Andrew Carter, constantly blabbing about how the Quebec government does not represent the Anglophones, yet they had the audacity to chastise Howard Galganov!

    I thought Galganov did more to raise the banner of battle higher than anybody else, yet in the end he was fought against by the people who should have been supporting his efforts the most!

    According to Kondaks, Chrétien, as the Minister of Justice, ensured the French language protection aspects of the Constitution were just about impossible to untangle, and unless the Quebec government relinquishes the language legislation on its own, it's carved in granite forever.

    Mulroney was willing to give Quebec even more than Trudeau did, if for no other reason than to carve on his epitaph (likely a monument made out of diamond and Italian marble for his oversized ego, about 50 feet high and 30 feet wide) how he beat Trudeau and got Quebec to sign onto the Constitution. He chastised Clyde Wells, the former premier of NF for reversing his predecessor's ratification of the Meech Lake Accord (but didn't dare do so to the First Nations MLA in the Manitoba legislature, Elijah Harper, for also breaking Mulroney's trophy by refusing ratification).

    I could not possibly be more thrilled and delighted that Clyde Wells mutilated Mulroney's ego by unraveling the ratification by Brian Peckford, Wells' predecessor. Why not? Bourassa, in his second iteration as Quebec premier, stuck it to the Anglophone population for the second time with his Bill 178, a flagrant abuse of the Notwithstanding Clause, Section 33, of the Constitution five years before the proposal of Meech Lake. Interestingly, it was the Western premiers who wanted that gigantic hole in the Constitution for them to ratify the Constitution. Trudeau was dead set against it, but he needed to compromise to put the Constitution on his gigantic epitaph as his big pet project.

    Editor, your plea has all the merit in the world, but it's too little and far too late. It's obvious no federal government is going to do anything about it, so just what are YOU going to do about it? What are the rest of your followers going to do about it? What is the remaining Anglophone population going to do about it?

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    1. What would really be needed is a group of people ready to break the law and go to jail.

      If you`re not willing to do that, you can't win. Sorry.

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    2. "I was hoping to be first, but second is OK."

      Why the urgency?

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  6. FROM ED BROWN
    TROY, 99.9 per cent of the anglos that left Quebec left for the same reason, because of their jobs. Many had no choice. Wjhen the company in which they had invested a decade or two moved they had to go simply to protect pensions. Looking for work is not cowardly it's essential. To live here on welfare controlled by such an anti English government would be like living with an axe over your head. Good luck ion Toronto, son. We wish you all the best. Stay with us on line please. Ed

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  7. FROM ED BROWN
    MR. SAUGA, We know that a lot of damage was done by Liberals like Bourassa trying to hold a lead over the PQ. but the reason Anglos didn't fight it was because they figured with a FGederalist Government, the Liberals would never allow separation which was the big fear at the time , not language.
    Galganov got nowherebecause as you say the media was standing between him and the people he needed to reach. They did not have email in those days. They did not have the blogs we have now such as the one we're using. They did not know what was going on because the only information was the press who squashed it all.
    Things are different now. We have information thanks to posts like this one. We have email and the press thank God is starting to wake up. people like Don McPherson are telling it like it is. So instead of throwing up our hands in despair we need
    to mobilize . I say to everyone, instead of telling ushere what we already know tell us what we don't know: who to contact and then contact them especially to Francophones who need to be informed. Ed

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    1. Ed, please read this carefully. Galganov had his own morning radio show on CIQC 600, the former CFCF Radio channel. Galganov also held charity drives for the underprivileged and protests re French only signs in the West Island when bilingual signs became legal again. He regularly discussed the oppression of Louise Beaudoin et al on his morning show, but is most disgusting is that his worst detractors should have been the French media. The Gazette and CJAD, amongst others, were just as much detractors when they should have been supporting him.

      You needed every last able minded Anglophone to give the oppressors a good, strong fight, but this was not the case hence I for one gave up on the fight since the dwellers were not ready and willing to give it every last effort for change. Simple as that.

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    2. Oh to turn back the hands of time Mr. Sauga but we, naive as we were, believed the french were only trying to protect their language which we didn't mind because we thought it would help them feel more secure in Canada. We unleashed the beast and now we have to stop it. It is so obvious now that the only thing they had in mind was splitting up Canada and are just using the language issue as a means to an end. When the majority of foolish separatists catch on to the deception that is being foisted on them by their power hungry, money grabbing, politicians, they will vote to remain in Canada and get back to a normal life. We have to hope this is sooner than later I guess. As an ex-quebecer, you too can help by publicizing what is going on here - the more people that participate in publishing well thought out posts, such as you put forward, the better for all of Canada.

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    3. Sorry, Cutie, the way I see it you have very false hopes, and please don't lump me in with the collective naïvté of the Anglophones. I heard the inflections of disdain in their voices and saw the glint in their scowling eyes when the racists heard my English or heavily accented French. Two iterations of stringent, hateful language in three years. No Cutie, I picked up very quickly how legislation was going to be used to persecute the minorities.

      For 40 years the Anglophone community has tried to convince itself and me that evil language legislation is not what the people want, it's government acting independent of the voters' wishes. After 40 years, now you're just waking up and realizing the coffee is cold!

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    4. As a Canadian Mr. Sauga, my apologies for the intolerant bigots in this province. Thank God not all francophones are like that - I have quite a few francophone friends and don't know anyone like that.

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    5. Cutie, it's not you who has to apologize. In fact, I'm not looking for apologies at all from anyone. Bigots don't apologize for they think their impositions are justified. I figure the proof is in the pudding. What has happened with the departure of the minorities? Answer: Montreal has deteriorated and continues to do so.

      Why? Several hundred thousand of the minorities, who are the descendants of those primarily responsible for the building of Montreal, have left. Since today the 20% of the population pays 40% of the tax revenues in Quebec. Imagine how much more the Quebec government could have wasted had my 300,000 compatriots and I not left Quebec!

      Equally sad, though, is the best activist the minority community ever had felt compelled to move to Eastern Ontario and abandon his altruistic efforts because his worst detractors came from within his own community. The numbers left to fight are too low. It would have taken a strenuous effort by the entire minority community back when this whole thing started to have had a chance of succeeding. That and the fact Daddy Trudeau turned his back on the Quebec minorities, yet the minorities kept voting for the man who stabbed them in the back.

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  8. FROM ED BROWN
    MR.SAUGA, I'm disappointed in you. You seem to find joy in the thought of Quebec going down. I sense your need for vengeance of a country who did not live up to your standards. But if all you can do is discourage those who might have a chance why don'tyou just stay where you are and let us worry about Quebec. it can't hurt you anymore. If you can't be encouraging then good luck where you are and let us fight on.
    Incidentally, Tony Kondaks only raison d'etre is to sell his books which are mostly his twisted history of the situation here. Ed

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    1. Ed, sorry I have disappointed you, but I was hoping before my then adolescent mind was made up there would have been push back by the minorities, but there wasn't any aside from some vitriolic oral editorials on radio and written ones by the late Sophie Wallock in The Suburban and others in The (now defunct) Star or Gazette.

      My parents had no propensity to fight as they were both near or over 50 when Bill 22 came out. They admitted to me they're sitting ducks if Quebec separates and I found that offensive. On the other hand, their home and work lives were established and they were planted. I loved my late mother to death, but I found she was somewhat of an apologist for what happened. I wasn't. I have neither British blood circulating through my veins nor were my ancestors colonists. They were stark poor refugees who left persecutors in Poland and Russia who came over with what they could carry and started over.

      My maternal grandfather was especially entrepreneurial, and a few years after landing in Sherbrooke, he moved to a smaller town in the Townships. In the interim, he sent for his wife and two children born in Russia once he settled in. G-d gave him but half a life as he died at age 44, smack dab in the middle of the depression. His eldest son, my uncle, took over when my late mother was only eight years old and he was more of a father to her than a brother. The business had every asset pledged to the teeth, and with great stress, worry and sheer guts he turned those businesses around, all while ensuring he amply provided for himself, his mother, and five younger siblings. The stress took his life at age 52. G-d granted him about 2/3 of a life.

      In addition to what my ascendants did to support themselves, they hired others in the community who likely would have otherwise starved to death, especially during the Depression. They made VERY positive contributions to their community. I went to university to do the same for myself and be a productive, effective contributor to my community, but Quebec made it unequivocally clear they didn't want what I had to offer, so I left.

      I confess I would get some sort of neurotic pleasure from Quebec's demise for its ingratitude towards those who have made greater contributions even today that their own kind have yet to do. The 20% of the population they are persecuting make up 40% of the taxes put into the Quebec coffers. It would serve those bloody bastards right if there was another mass exodus of minorities and those who mind the coffers would be forlorn very fast. I would take great pleasure of Quebec collapses as a result of 50 years of nonsense, but I feel any long-time minority dwellers would get what they deserve for their complacency.

      You also wrote Quebec can't hurt me anymore. Actually, it very, very much has. Even though Ontario was tossed a few equalization bread crumbs not fit for the birds, Ontario is still the largest net contributor to the equalization program. What we get back is really a dividend, not a freebie that an ungrateful Quebec gets. There was a situation involving a job where there were complaints about my French, but I'm not going to delve into that mound of merde.

      Ed, all I've been hearing for going on 40 years now is talking the talk, talking the talk and more talking the talk. If the Editor is getting that pissed off, then next time Hugo S. has an anti-Bill 101 protest, the damn lot of you, and I mean, EVERYONE who is adversely affected by this Bill 14 better get off their asses, get out there and protest very aggressively. Talk is over, so you better put it into action now!

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    2. Ed:

      You claim that I present a "twisted" representation of history.

      I welcome your citations and evidence to back this up.

      I eagerly await your reply.

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  9. Let's hope that all the people participating in the blog inside and outside quebec are starting to do something instead of just sitting on their hands. I've been doing all I can, to any press that will listen and to MNAs and federal politicians. Editor - I'm sending you personally my e-mail that I sent to Mr. Peneshue, the PM and Mr. Graham Fraser. Please use any part or all for your post as long as my name is not used (no explanation necessary). Talking to my sister-in-law from BC the other day and she (nor I'm sure many others) have any idea what is going on in this horrible place. We'd better hope that people start paying attention and we'd better start demanding that attention. If we are to have any peace, we have to start fighting back. Join the Quebec Office for the English Language - it's free and they want input and help.

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  10. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYMonday, December 10, 2012 at 6:55:00 AM EST

    Quebekistan is an untolarable, xenophibic, racist and french centric (read "power") future third world country.
    I know as a matter of fact I am a quebecois that is 100% french but got disgusted with all the rhetoric and threat posturing from Quebec city, proof that quebekistan has no future as a distinct society.
    I left the place and I AM QUEBECOIS. I cannot understand why anglos would stay.
    Unthinkable. I now live in Calgary where I found out that ordinary people are genuine, hard working, successful and open for business. Everything quebekistan is against!

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  11. FROM ED BROWN
    Un Gars When I ;lived in Vancouver I drove trailers through the rockies (Vanc. to Cal.) I've spent a lot of time in Calgary. The people are cold as ice. Ralph Kline used to run people out of the province like a redneck sheriff if they lost their jobs. There was no relief except for the Salvation Army. Kline would put you on a bus with a one way ticket.
    The overnight motels I stayed in were unkempt and expensive. Calgarians know only one thing make money, lots of money. Calgary likes to brag it gives Quebec equalization, it doesn't. That is a Canada decision made by the Canadian government using large sums of money which Calgarians pay in income taxes because they make a fortune using the Canadian oil which is underneath them. They did not put the oil there, they inherited it from canada. If you google people from Calgary there is 610 names listed not one jumps out. I remember thinking years ago, "Thank God we don't live here." . You on the other hand fit right in. Ed

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    1. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYMonday, December 10, 2012 at 7:36:00 AM EST

      I guess generalizations cover all... Way to go, anon.
      Enjoy quebekistan and stop bitching about how so fucking bad you morons have it there.

      From the editor:

      "For those in the Rest of Canada who tell the Anglos of Quebec to get the heck out and surrender our homes and lives, I can only register my profound sadness at the betrayal.
      It is a particularly bitter pill to swallow, this exhortation to cut and run, a testament of cowardly abandonment.

      It is as if a military commander has judged our forward position untenable and so strategically decided that withdrawal is the safest course of action.
      If that is a metaphor that has credence, then how badly that commander has done his sums."

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    2. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYMonday, December 10, 2012 at 7:48:00 AM EST

      "withdrawal"

      Military Commanders DO NOT withdraw. That is a very negative word for them and you, Editor, use the wrong terminology, thus you lost credibility.
      Military Commanders conduct "retirements" not withdrawals.

      "strategically"

      Wrong again, Editor.

      A strategic outlook, course of action or planning involves more than the retirement of a military formation. Check your facts and military doctrine of most countries before you make a dunkey nof yourself.

      This will get me banned from angry quebecanglo blog....

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    3. This guy knows just everything - what a sad loss to quebec he was. They should put him on the the same dole as the rest of the politicians. Speaking of making dunkeys of themselves.

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  12. Editor - I forwarded your site name to the Ottawa Citizen Editorial staff and asked if they would publish all or some of the information contained therein. Will post their response when received.

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  13. You un gars are an insensitive, nasty SOB and you should refrain from posting on this blog. We have no interest in reading your stupid comments. Find a life.

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    1. UN GARS BIEN SYMPATHIQUE DE CALGARYMonday, December 10, 2012 at 7:53:00 AM EST

      You do a brilliant job of being a "victim", uglie003

      You should wear maple leafs on your black & white striped clothes in Quebekistan so the language police can target you for persecution and harassment. Then there will be cattle train cars for you... all the way to Ungava, a reeducation camp.

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    2. Je reconnais en toi le charactère combatif et incisif typique à notre Nation,mon frère.

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    3. The same combative character 'your nation' displayed when they fled to the woods to avoid conscription in World Wars I and II?

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    4. I recognize in you the rational and incisive character typical of our Nation, Durham my brother.

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    5. Too easy to act though behind a keyboard

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    6. Wow Durham, nice one.

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    7. Indeed it is, which is why we will never get an honest answer from our sadsack troll.

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  14. I am absolutely stunned at how well this article was written. I have never read a better portrayal of what is happening in Quebec. I truly wish this would be printed in every major newspaper across Canada.

    PLEASE GET THIS IN THE NEWSPAPERS - WE DESPERATELY NEED THE PEOPLE TO KNOW !!

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  15. I understand your point of view Editor, but for whichever party that's in power in Ottawa it would be a case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't". If Ottawa stands up for anglo rights, it wouldn't matter whether it was the PQ or the Libs, they'd be screaming about how Ottawa was trampling Quebec's "sovereign rights" and cranking up the full separation campaign machine. If they do nothing, PQ/Libs keep chewing away at the english language rights. They probably do nothing in the belief that it's the lesser of two evils and that the fight must be led by you people.
    Likewise, for the PQ it appears to be a no-lose situation. I say "appears" because I feel, as do others here, that getting what they want will ultimately be extremely painful in the end.

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    1. Diogenes,

      Maybe the way for Ottawa to frame it is as a question of Francophone rights. The proposal's aim would be ensure French-language services in the ROC, with the side effect being a helping hand for Anglos in Quebec. You do it this and maybe there is less for the PQ to complain about. But I am not holding my breath.

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    2. Here`s a hint: people in English Canada don't care one whit about language minority rights, English or French.

      I think we have to move beyond language and identity politics and talk about basic freedom.

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    3. I am afraid I agree with Suzanne. This cannot be about language, it has to be about basic freedoms, this is something EVERYONE can get behind.

      @Editor, I really admire you for taking a stand and making an argument! A damn good one, but the revolt has to first come from "within". It has to start with us, here locally, and it should have started 40 yrs ago. I am an optimist and I do think that it is never too late to to fight for what you believe in. It will be a nasty uphill battle. I also do think there is always a way to beat a bully at his own game. For starters, you have to want to however. Do we want to?

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    4. Suzanne, regarding your point that "we have to move beyond language politics and talk about Freedom" Good news, it's seems this does resonate with some people. People who even know what they are talking about. One of which is a Human Rights Lawyer who teaches at McGill. She wrote and 'Opinion' piece and it was featured in today's gazette on how Bill 14 chips away at the rights of the English minority. If you have a chance please read it. Long story short, we have to move away from this being a language issue. It is a Human Rights Issue. It always was.

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  16. You may be right but we have to give it a shot and hope someone in power has the foresight to see that doing nothing is weakening the cause for unity in this country. The separatists see us as easy targets just because the feds do and say nothing - they have lost respect as leaders of the country because of this. This is also part of the reason the separatists repeat that we have no culture - the only way to gain respect is to show that they will not be pushed around by these bigots. The country will survive if they show themselves as leaders and stand up for their citizens in every place in Canada and this includes quebec.

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  17. Editor, in the end what you describe is a version of ethnic cleansing that seems to suit the Canadian temperament.

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  18. As someone who grew up Anglo in Quebec City, I share your hatred of Bill 101 and language politics. But I think your approach is all wrong.

    I have a theory why Anglos don't fight back and why identity politics doesn't work.

    Because there is no true Anglo ethnicity.

    Who are Anglos? The average Anglo is not someone whose family goes back several generations in Quebec.

    The average Anglo is someone whose parent or grandparent was born outside Quebec and who married a Quebecois or for some reason had to move to Quebec.

    There are no generations upon generations of Anglos who've been born in Quebec, raised there, live there and died there. I think that fourth generation Anglo-Quebeckers are an extremely small minority.

    So the Anglo community is, at best, a linguistic community whose members are transient. And I think the transient nature of the Anglo community is the characteristic that makes it so unable to fight back.

    First off, Anglos are far more likely to identify as Canadian or with some other province/community than as a Quebecker. They were often born outside Quebec and did a lot of their schooling outside. So they don't think of themselves as Quebeckers.

    Second, when Anglos are unhappy, they move. It's true that there almost a million of Anglos in Quebeckers-- but they're a transient population. They come and they go.

    Third, Anglos are often not very adept in French, which is the language they need to master to be heard in Quebec City.

    Fourth, it's tough for Anglos to characterize themselves as oppressed. I realize it's unfair for Anglos to be deprived of self-determination, but not being able to fill out a tax form in English is hardly the mark of a community under the boot of a fascist tyranny. So the language used to fight the injustice is out of proportion to the nature of the situation.

    Identity politics is all wrong for Anglos. And perhaps maybe this is why English Canada doesn't really do much. I think the unconscious reaction is: what a bunch of whiners. If you don't like it, move!

    The solution for Anglos is not embrace freedom and limited government. Stop depending on the government and the rest of Canada to fight their battles.

    This means that Anglos should lobby to get Ottawa to cut subsidies to the provinces. We should decentralize and respect provincial jurisdictions.

    The Official Languages Act is CRAP and part of the problem. Has it protected English rights in Quebec? No.

    If you want a bilingual Canada, what you need is strong unilingualism on the part of French and English Canada.

    But that, I don't mean wall-to-wall language laws. I mean that we should stop pretending there are English people in Montmagny and French people in Pakenham. Fake bilingualism is not a true bilingualism. Translating documents just for the symbolism of it is a waste of money. Most people who are minorities in their respective environments can speak the language of the majority, so why pretend that's not the case? If there are large numbers of people who can't speak the language (and that's the case in places like Hawkesbury and West Island Montreal) then we can look at *the local community* managing their bilingualism.

    Otherwise, if we want a bilingual Canada, the French language has to be strong, and it's strong if we don't engage in fake bilingualism.

    Freedom, common sense, decentralization will win the day. I also wish Anglos would stop voting Liberal. They have not done sweet F-all to help Anglos since the 1960s.

    I also suspect though, that very few Anglos actually CARE about language politics. I mean care enough to go down into the street and protest.

    Just a few of my thoughts.



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    1. Kinda feel bad for writing that essay... Maybe I should have used my blog.

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    2. Suzanne - we are fighting for equality in this damn province in this bilingual country of Canada. We are either Canadians or we are not. That is the decision we must make in quebec. Separatists use language as a wedge to gain votes for a separate country, not for a language. They must be stopped using these divisive tactics or we must fight to partition this place and let those areas go that want to go. There are at least 65% that want to remain Canadian and have a right to be treated as citizens of the country they call home.

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    3. "...in this bilingual country of Canada."

      Depuis quand?

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    4. Depuis 1867. Le Canada a deux populations linguistiques, ça donne que c'est un pays bilingue.

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    5. Non,un "pays" essayant de composer avec deux langues officielles,dont une très majoritaire.

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    6. "we are fighting for equality in this damn province in this bilingual country of Canada."

      Don't fight for equality.

      Has fighting for "equality" done anything for Anglos?

      No.

      Anglos are not the oppressed minority that our language makes us out to be.

      I am not saying there is no injustice.

      I am saying the injustice is wrongly framed and expressed.

      What you are fighting for is freedom. The freedom to run your business as you see fit. The freedom to send your kid to any school you like. The freedom to put up any sign anywhere in any language. It's the freedom to vote that your community is bilingual and the vote is respected.

      Anglos are not a community the way Quebeckers are a community. That's why identity politics doesn't work. It doesn't stir the same passions it does in other communities because the ties are not there.

      It's not about being Canadian, Quebecois, etc. It's about exercising the rights that every human being possesses.

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    7. Quand on a deux langues officielles, on est un pays bilingue. Arrête de redéfinir les mots.

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    8. Fair enough. We want the right to live as we see fit in the language of our choice. You've made a good point. By the way, SR is our resident pain in the ass troll. Try to ignore him

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    9. I am willing to bend to the will of the blogger and maybe even the commenters. But I find that sometimes answering trolls is a nice way to make one's point.

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    10. Thanks for speaking out, and I just want to show a phrase that I find very offensive to those who are living here because our family (integrated with newer immigrants from Europe too) has been here for centuries, but is punished for having 'moved around'. This is the phrase I am discussing:
      There are no generations upon generations of Anglos who've been born in Quebec, raised there, live there and died there. I think that fourth generation Anglo-Quebeckers are an extremely small minority.

      If Human Rights are universal, and that Clanissta would recognise and accept this, then we would not be in this situation (even if my family has been here hundreds of years, and has seen QC democratically pass its 'we are staying in Canada' referenda, regardless of Kirke and Wolfe's conquests), but because we have this political faction that preaches it's 'we are native QCois and you aren't' constantly like bullies on the street corner, supported by agencies like the OQLF who fine us while justifying in the same way, the violation of our freedom of expression (with the false and sacred Prophet Bill 101).
      I do not blame you as an individual for this mistake, but the 'conditioning' you hare been subject to is how this, otherwise this crazy idea, arises.

      If I was born in Vancouver and live in Brussels, my HR are respected, if I go live somewhere else, because I am a mobile modern worker that moves to where the jobs are, I will have some form of localised preference given to those 'who were there before me' - but not a legislation and institutions spread out against a 'foreign' language, although official in our country, that does all it can to steal the stability we need to thrive as a community, drawing constantly on the myth that FR is in danger in QC.

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    11. "on est un pays bilingue"

      Le pays peut-être mais très peu d'individus...Demandez à cutie de bâtir une seule phrase en français,comportant un,sujet,un verbe et un adjectif.

      Bonne chance!

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    12. En passant,ce n'est pas le pays qui est "bilingue" mais l'État.

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    13. FROM ED BROWN
      Suzanne, FYI I am afouthgeneration Anglo in Quebec and I have great grandchildren (Another three generations). Anglo Immigrants only caame in droves after the war but there was enough anglos old enough to fight for the country. There are hundreds of thousands of 4th generation anglos in Quebec.

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    14. There were also plenty of Quebec Anglophones who fought in the First World War, and that occurred nearly 100 years ago.

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    15. Et toi le petit, es-tu capables d'écrire en anglais? Je ne veux pas dire quelques mots seulement, mais plusieurs phrases, et correctement? Souvent tu mentionnes le manque de respect envers le Français, mais tu en démontre autant envers l’anglais, et d’ailleurs c’est un blog anglais.

      Ah oui j'ai oublié, c’est lorsque tu es aux États U. ou en Ontario, n’est pas ?

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    16. Suzanne,

      You wrote:
      "Who are Anglos? The average Anglo is not someone whose family goes back several generations in Quebec. The average Anglo is someone whose parent or grandparent was born outside Quebec and who married a Quebecois or for some reason had to move to Quebec. There are no generations upon generations of Anglos who've been born in Quebec, raised there, live there and died there. I think that fourth generation Anglo-Quebeckers are an extremely small minority."

      I think that your analysis makes sense. There are anglos who have been here for generations but they might be the exception. And I would add that anglos who have been here for generations often saw themselves as british until recent times (that could be observed, I believe, in debates about the conscription).

      I have argued in the past and in other circumstances that english speakers might misunderstand our sense of community and of belonging because they don't have the same kind of "enracinement". (What english word would better translate the idea of "enracinement"?)

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    17. Well said Hugo - There is something wrong with a constitution that does not provide protection for all it's citizens - if a province is still receiving money and citizens through Canadian citizenship, plus military protection then it is part of the country and its citizens are entitled to freedom of expression wherever they reside. If the constitution cannot be enforced, then Mr. Galgonov is right - it is a list of suggestions and not a constitution. Provincial laws should not be allowed to set aside the Canadian constitution. Something has to be done about the Constitution to ensure that the wording is corrected and enforceable. No one has the guts to correct the situation, thereby allowing the separatists to run unabated through the rights of the minorities. I wonder how the francophone community would like it if another province wrote into their laws that they can not post their business advertisement in french, if they like. Imagine the outrage.

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    18. "Something has to be done about the Constitution to ensure that the wording is corrected and enforceable."

      Bonne chance!:)

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    19. "Rootedness", Michel... which we have in spades, thank you very much!

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    20. Anonymous: I don't think I've ever met a fourth generation anglo. My nephews qualify as third-generation Anglo, but even they're pretty assimilated, i.e. they speak a lot of French at home, and their sister is not very fluent in English. I strongly doubt there are hundreds of thousands of fourth generation Anglos, given how many young people leave the province.

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  19. We know whats been going on for decades, trust me. We talk about it all the time, we have been to Montreal to support you many times.

    From the taking of farm land in the 1940”s (The tragedy of Quebec) to the removal of the Red Ensign in Quebec City in 1950, to the removal of the Red Ensign in Ottawa in 1965 to the enforcement of bilingualism (french) in Ottawa and the rest of Canada in the late 60’s, 70’s, while banning our language and culture in Kebec with racist anti-English language bills 22, 178, 101……to the nightmare that Canada is now living with (the charter and everything connected to it) its all going as planned folks. Lies, deceit, spin…decades of it. People really have no idea what this man Trudeau and his cronies from Kebec did to Canada. Its all been planned.

    “First Quebec, then we take over the rest of the country, one step at a time…through bilingualism…” PT, “How to take over a country through bilingualism…” SD. How ? First comes the right to communicate with gov’t in a minority language (ie French),then comes bilingualism, then comes the right to work in the language of choice(ie French), then comes a bilingual boss,(ie French) then comes a exclusively French department and on it goes until its all French. Its happening all over the country, Ontario, New Brunswick…That’s what’s really going on.

    “My roll as Secretary of State of Canada is first and foremost to ensure that my French compatriots in Canada feel with deep conviction, as I do, that this is their country and that it reflects their image”. “I too had some difficult years as a politician; I’m still having them, in fact, because everything we undertake and everything we are doing to make Canada a French state is part of a venture I have shared for many years with a number of people”. “You know the idea, the challenge, the ambition of making Canada a French country both inside and outside Quebec — an idea some people consider a bit crazy, is something a little beyond the ordinary imagination”. – Serge Joyal, Secretary of State – Page 2 ‘ENOUGH’ by J.V. Andrew. – Serge Joyal – Now in the Senate.

    Bilingualism - This is THE biggest scam, the biggest fraud and lie ever forced upon the Canadian public. People have no idea what this man Trudeau did to this country.

    “Quebec can make French the only official language in spite of the Constitution”. Pierre Trudeau, .

    .” ….Given these facts, should French-speaking people concentrate their efforts on Quebec or take the whole of Canada as their base? In my opinion, they should do both; and for the purpose they could find no better instrument than federalism”, Pierre Trudeau,.

    “I cannot swear it but I think we were thinking to ourselves,… we are a small group, Trudeau, Pelletier, Marchand, Lalonde, Chrétien, myself and a few people in the civil service, say 50 all told…we were bringing off a revolution. We held the key posts. We were making the civil service bilingual (French), kicking and screaming all the time”. Jean-Luc Pepin, Minister of Industry, 1970.

    Go learn our proud, real BNA and UEL history. These were the builders of our country since 1763. Not this phony, revisionist lie, this bilingual, multicultural, 2 founding nations, linguistic duality lie, propaganda, spin that we’ve been living with since Trudeau, and kebec forced this upon the nation. We’ve been part of the British Empire since 1763 and officially an English speaking country for over 200 years…just a fact.

    No people in power will tell you the truth, will expose what is and has been going on in Canada and Kebec. This is the real problem. We the people know whats going on, but the people in power have allowed all of this to continue and get worse.

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  20. I have to admit that this latest post seems somewhat dramatic. If you just casually stumbled on this blog you might think that the anglophones are being rounded up and imprisoned and their homes taken away from them. As I have noted on several occasions the minority anglo community at least in Montreal is very well served right now. They are better served by far than any francophones anywhere else in Canada yet I hear way less whining from these francophones.

    I still find Bill 14 much tamer than I expected..they could have gone much further. However I think they have only gone this far since they are in a minority situation. If they had a full majority then the measures would have been much more severe. So we have been spared for now but the next election will be key.

    Dont expect Canada to come running to the anglos aid here..it wont happen. This isnt Nazi Germnay..the anglophone community is still doing quite well in Quebec..the persecution tending to be greatly exaggerated especially on this blog. To compare us to what happened in WW2 in Germnay is disrespectful and wrong..there is no comparison. The federal government and most Canadians do not want to go through another sovereignty referendum campaign so they will continue to remain silent. Things would have to get exponentially worse for the anglophones before they would lift a finger. The military analogies are silly and sensational.

    The anglophone community still needs to accept its share of the responsibility for its sins from the past which caused such seething resentment from the francophones. The elitist anglophones that ruled Quebec for decades in the past are the ones who have much to answer for..not so much the average anglophones. These elitists made it very difficult for many francophones to work in their own language. Many francophones now often tell me that they dont understand why the anglophones are so upset given all the english services they have. And many of these francophones have lived elsewhere in Canada where there are next to no francophones services.

    Once again many anglophones are to blame for the political state we are in as they have continually supported a corrupt and incompetent political party decade after decade. Anglophones have zero moral authority in condemning the current government when they overwhelmingly supported the record breaking corrupt Charest government. The stubborness in the anglophone community is breathtaking and the hypocrisy is stifling also. If you want real change then stop parking your votes with the Liberals. There is one party talking about dealing with the real problems..not the language issues.

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    1. The anglophone community still needs to accept its share of the responsibility for its sins from the past which caused such seething resentment from the francophones. The elitist anglophones that ruled Quebec for decades in the past are the ones who have much to answer for..

      All those elitists are dead. Anglos shouldn't feel any guilt. I think Anglos have gone a very long way in integrating themselves with the French. Anglos have nothing to be guilty about.

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    2. above comment was directed at complicated.

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    3. I find that the anglophones in general never want to accept any blame for the situation we are in. Its always completely the fault of those crazy seperatists. If you cant see the role of the anglophones in the genesis of the seperatist movement then there is no hope really.
      Anglos shouldnt feel guilty but they should accept that their community shares some of the blame for the problems we now have. And the anglophone community continues to support the corrupt and incompetent Liberals decade after decade hence its hard to take the anglophone community seriously when they blindly vote for the same criminals year after year.

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    4. Gotta wonder if SRYL actually takes the time to read comments before flying his little flag of approval.

      I agree that the state of affairs in Quebec is in fact the fault of the Anglos...for never applying disciplinary measures against their bratty little separatist child and putting it in its place.

      Now look what's happened - that separatist brat has developed into the schoolyard bully and can never be satisfied or reproached.

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    5. If you cant see the role of the anglophones in the genesis of the seperatist movement then there is no hope really.

      I am very well acquainted with what spawned separatism. My dad needed to know English to dig a ditch when they built a mall in suburban Quebec City.

      That was fifty years ago.

      Anglos stopped having any significan influence in Quebec right about 1976 or so.

      There are very few Rhodesians left in Quebec. Most anglos who are born in Quebec learn French and try to get along. We have to stop this self-guilt thing. Anglos are not in the wrong. They have not had any real power in Quebec for over 40 years.

      And the anglophone community continues to support the corrupt and incompetent Liberals decade after decade hence its hard to take the anglophone community seriously when they blindly vote for the same criminals year after year.

      But this has nothing to do with separatism.

      Anglos in Quebec, I think suffer from much of the same herd mentality that the rest of Quebec labours under.

      The proof is in the pudding.

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    6. I agree that the state of affairs in Quebec is in fact the fault of the Anglos...for never applying disciplinary measures against their bratty little separatist child and putting it in its place.

      Pretty hard to do when you're in the minority.

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    7. Complicated - and in quebec it's not very hard to vote for criminals year after year - we have no option as far as rumours go - they'll all criminals. Again, why don't you wait to find out the facts about the parties instead of branding them all crooks except the CAQ whom you know from Adam because they have not had the chance to become criminal yet. Boy, you're hard headed.
      At RE - yes, they should have been smacked in the head a long time ago and told to either adhere to the law of the land or else go to jail for some such charge as treason. The cat is out of the bag and now we have to catch it.

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    8. "Dont expect Canada to come running to the anglos aid here..it wont happen. This isnt Nazi Germnay..the anglophone community is still doing quite well in Quebec..the persecution tending to be greatly exaggerated especially on this blog."

      Canada won't come running for the reasons I outlined below, not for the reasons you cite, that QC is not so bad, if it were that bad Canada would do something, so Canada's inaction is proof that QC is ok. In reality, all that this inaction proves is that Canada is interest-driven like every other state, and not altruism-driven.

      Politically, Quebec is an unpleasant place. It has been taken over by a gang of crazed nationalists a few decades back, and these creeps come up to the surface from time to time.

      I agree with you that QC will not likely descend into something terrible, like state violence directed against minorities, but the reason for this is not that the creeps who run this province recognize moral limits. The reason is that they recognize geopolitical limits. Anglos is QC are unlucky, but also lucky in one respect - on the continent they are still the majority. The rulers of this crummy province know this, which is why they are limiting themselves to a policy of making life difficult through bureaucracy, and not a step beyond that.

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    9. Cutie - You are in such serious denial about the Liberals..lets wait and see..how much more to we need to hear from the Charbonneau commission?? How many more stories of envelopes stuffed with cash going to the Liberals. How about my personal favorite..how Jean Charest called an election 2 weeks before the commission was starting..if thats not the height of arrogance and guilt then I dont what is!!
      And how about just the mismanagement of the economy..the Liberals have added at least as much debt to Quebec during their terms as the PQ.

      Yet you still feel like you have no choice..why because you are so closed-minded about anybody who had anything to do with seperation that you would rather elect criminals to run this province. And its not just you cutie..its the whole damn anglophone community. If thats not the height of tunnel vision then I dont what is..how can one even have a conversation with someone who closes their mind as soon as the word seperation appears. There are some pretty smart people who were seperatists and a lot of idiots who are and were federalists. If we cant get by the seperatist/federalist tags we are not going very far.
      I blame pur silly antiquated British electoral first past the post system which distorts democracy so much and ecnourages many people to vote the same way or not at all. Its high time we had a fair electoral system such as the ranking system or a proportional style that really reflected the true wishes of everybody and counted all votes equally..

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    10. Then why don't you join Fair Vote Canada rather than telling us to switch our votes to another separatist party and then let all of them announce to the world that quebec is now voting for separation because that's exactly what they will do. That's politics - spin the truth for whatever suits your end goal. Did you ever think that Charest called the election for other reasons? What party, to you, is honest in this province? You jump to a lot of conclusions with no proof of anything. The CAQ has not proven it is honest so why the big push from you? The economy? The economy will only get worse until the political upheaval that is brought on by the threats of the separatists and the turning of the screws on the anglo, allo and business communities that are not willing to vote for them. Your frustration is directed at the wrong people for the wrong reasons.

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    11. « The anglophone community still needs to accept its share of the responsibility for its sins from the past which caused such seething resentment from the francophones. The elitist anglophones that ruled Quebec for decades in the past are the ones who have much to answer for..not so much the average anglophones. These elitists made it very difficult for many francophones to work in their own language.”

      And there you have it folks, THIS is what it is all really about. The emotional hurt for the wrongs of the past has been dragged throughout hundreds of years, culminating in what has now become an untenable situation. We are out for pure and unadulterated revenge in spite of the cost. The venom and resentment abounds, and it’s not even subtle anymore either.

      I am not justifying what happened in the past, it was cruel and abusive .....I do not condone it. BUT GET THE F#$%.......OVER IT ALREADY! ...FYI,....Two wrongs do not make a right!...You are basically doing exactly what was done to you. Grow up...Get therapy and Overcome. Let’s stop punishing an entire society because we are all still emotionally bruised by the bad elitist English. No one feels sorry for you anymore ....and neither should you.

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    12. BTW, brown stuffed envelopes have been exchanging hands for decades, even when "other parties", were previously in power. Funny you don't bring that up, eh complicated? Let's see what the commission further reveals shall we, before we get too carried away.

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    13. Serait-ce que les Péquistes sont plus intelligent que les "liberals" qui se font toujours prendre la main dans le sac...Heu,dans l'enveloppe?

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    14. À tes amours joujou, car dans le temps passé, eux aussi ont volé de TA poche, petit imbécile.

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    15. Excellent reply, AnecTOTE... this is exactly the gist of our poor pequistes' woes.

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  21. There you go again saying the liberals are corrupt - so far no proof of this. Wait and see exactly who is corrupt before stating what is not obvious as yet for heaven's sake. And dammit, the past is the past - stop apologizing for what someone's great great grandfather did - let it go.

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    1. Les anglos changeront le jour où les pommiers donneront des oranges.

      Ou comme vous dites..."When pigs fly".

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  22. Editor: "Canadians tell us that they would rather send a military mission costing billions and billions, not withstanding the countless lives wasted and ruined, to free Afghanistan from totalitarian rule, but somehow are not prepared to lift a finger to preserve the freedom of Anglophones to pursue their lives in peace and YES, in English, in a Canadian province that they did more than their share to build."

    In case you were wondering, the reason why your community means little to Ottawa is for the same reason why being in Afghanistan means a lot. Strategic reasons and geopolitics. That's all. No altruism involved in our "mission" in Afghanistan, it's a pure resource grab and a fight for strategic dominance of the region that we, like the Brits, hope to partake in (i.e. run for the scraps that our big brother will throw our way).

    So, it's not like the entity (Canada, Ottawa, the govenremnt, whatever) is altruistic elsewhere, and blind, callous, cynical, and calculating here. It's more like the entity being callous and calculating across the board. So it is not being inconsistent. It is actually being very consistent.

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    1. Resource grab in Afghanistan? Give me a break...

      If Canada was keen on regional dominance, why didn't we go to Iraq?

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    2. The Afghanistan Oil Pipeline

      http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/sardi7.html

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    3. Yeah because we don't have enough oil in the oil sands...

      We're supposed to believe that the US will go to war to grab oil, but it won't drill in the Alaska wildnerness for fear of killing polar bears.

      There's a reason conspiracy theories aren't taken too seriously.

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    4. The control of Middle East resources is in several NSDDs going back to the late 1940's. It's been part of their policy for decades.

      They will drill in Alaska. Does it preclude going after richer sources?

      We have enough of it? The word "enough" doesn't figure in these people's vocabulary.




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    5. Adski's right Suzanne - primary objective is always to eat the other person's supper before going into your own fridge.

      Take a look at North Dakota - there's 30 billion barrels of oil that they're only beginning to tap now, but that's not stopping them from importing boatloads of oil from Venezuela.

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  23. Complicated is pretty much the personification of the self loathing anglo that Mr. Sauga rails against daily.

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    1. Well if that means having an open mind and accepting that both the anglophones and the francophones share the blame then you can label me self-loathing or whatever else you fancy.

      I am tired of the sensationalism on this blog - please spare us the Nazi/WW2/military analogies..the reality is the vast majority of anglos are living pretty well in Quebec especially in Montreal..they have access to services in their language that francophones in the rest of Canada would generally only dream about.

      Frankly there is often a sense of arrogance from the anglophone community all around the world. It is often expected that wherever anglos go that they are served in their language. When I am with groups of anglos and francophones 80 percent of the time the conversation is in english.

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    2. "Frankly there is often a sense of arrogance from the anglophone community all around the world. It is often expected that wherever anglos go that they are served in their language."

      Michel, are you jealous? Do you wish it was your language (French) that was the lingua franca?

      And if I remember correctly, all these "Nazi/WW2/military analogies" made you give up on this blog. What happened with that?

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    3. Good point..I keep telling myself not to come here..but I will admit that the editor at times posts some very informative posts when he sticks to the facts and tries not to dramatize/sensationalize the epic struggle of the beaten down impoverished anglophone in Quebec.
      adski..I think you are trying far too hard to be clever..Michel and I are not the same but as I noted in another lenthy post..people believe what they want to believe..if you want to call me Michel then go for it. I do wish that anglophones would try a little bit more to put themselves in the shoes of other people who dont have the world revolving around them wherever they go..

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    4. Michel, we should all try to put ourselves in the shoes of others. This goes for pequistes who should try to imagine being on the receiving end of some of the pettiness that they dish out. And those who perceive everything as an insult to their language should realize that the world does not revolve around them and their language.

      If we could all put ourselves in the shoes of others, the world would be a better place.

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    5. Adski's on fire today. So is Complicated, plus, we have about 50% less "content" from S.R, meaning...

      ...the comments section is officially awesome again.

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    6. Geez complicated - what the hell difference does it make who's to blame? We're here, we're now, do something besides rehash the same old battles - like Star Trek, you're in a time warp. Start fighting for your freedom to live as you choose as Suzanne puts it - for God's sake man, time's a wasting and you're unable to move forward. You're doing exactly as JR is; bringing up battles from the 1700s. You live here, fight for your right to live as you choose and stop procrastinating.

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    7. I wonder... when complicated travels to Germany, does she scold every local for the WW 1 & 2 atrocities?

      According to complicated, just imagine - if Anglos in Quebec should ask for pardon every time they utter an English word, how Germans are supposed to feel and regularly apologize for their forefathers' mistakes.

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    8. Here we go again with the WW2 analogies that are so out of line with what is going on in Quebec. Can you people at least try some variety in your dramatizations. Let me know when the PQ start building the camps to hold the anglos..until then please chill a bit. Or let me know when the plans to build the camps start..

      TS is another anglo drama-queen..I am still waiting after 11 years living in Montreal for a francophone to tell me to speak english even though the english media informs us of each and every incident that happens. The vast majority of the time even in Montreal its the francophones who end up speaking english even if there are more francophones in the discussion..seens this countless times.

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    9. Ce blogue est rempli de paranos...Les anglos sont tellement précieux.

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    10. TS is another anglo drama-queen..I am still waiting after 11 years living in Montreal for a francophone to tell me to speak english

      Oops..that should read
      "for a francophone to tell me to speak french"

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    11. « Ce blogue est rempli de paranos »
      En effet, tu es le porte-drapeau!

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    12. Michel, when you asked to be spared WW2 analogies, who exactly were you replying to? It seems that on this thread, you were the one who brought up these analogies. Prior to that, the conversation was not on that. I understand your angle here which is to paint this blog ad overdramatic, but to be effective you should wait patiently for someone to bring up the Nazis and then you can pounce. You starting it on the Nazis and then bringing up a charge of overdramatizing does not help your pitch.

      Also, please tell me, the fact that we vote Liberal is because:
      A. We are close minded, not open to alternatives, have affinity for corruption, like the shitty status qou, or
      B. the alternative to corrupt Liberals is a group of batshit ideologues, likely corrupt and definitely nepotistic, eg Nicolas Girard

      Also, indulge me once more. We vote Liberal because:
      A. We live under an antiquated British electoral system, or
      B. the alternative to the Liberals is a group of nepotistic batshit ideologues, greedy and likely corrupt, unless these days you can afford a mansion on ile bizard doing through an honest 9-5 grind.

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    13. Kudos to complicated on deflecting the issue - yet again. Can she, though, let us know if contemporary Germans should constantly apologize for their past?

      And TS is not an anglo, but an allo fluent in En, Fr and two other languages, that has chosen Montreal as a home for its European charm and now got sick of the ethno-nationalist rhetoric.

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    14. FROM ED BROWN
      Suzanne F. - There is no anglo self guilt thing, this only exists in the minds of people like Complicated. The has the idea that Anglos were responsible for Franco anger in spite of the fact that everyone on this blog has told him he's wrong. It's like trying to saw a petrified tree. he tries to tell us that anglos are arrogant because they expect service in English all over the world.
      Itdoesn't occur to him that tghey look for English because it's there and putting it there had nothing to do with the anglos. People other than him and francophones have the sense to realize that other countries found it convenient. H e will fill half a blog with his crap everyday saying the same thing over and over.

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    15. Editor,

      Complicated wrote : "I am still waiting after 11 years living in Montreal for a francophone to tell me to speak english..."

      Which reminds me, how is your grand son doing so far in his efforts to be told to speak french?

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    16. And Jesus complicated - What language a group speaks when they're together is their own choice and their own business - that's what this is all about. Freedom to speak what language we want and by the way, I apologize to everyone and every beast, living or dead, from the beginning of time to present day, for any wrong doing on behalf of every living, breathing, human being on earth! Now for Christ's sake, forget the on-going, never ending, forever and ever, past injustices that have been done since the 1700s. I have now apologized for all misdeeds - can we move on to solutions to the problem instead of regurgitating everything over and over!

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    17. Patience cutie car le conflit israélo-palestinien dure depuis 2,000 ans :)

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    18. S.R... dude, you should brush up your history... It sucks and you make an ass out of yourself.

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    19. TS - I dont think Germans should apologize for the past sins of the Nazi party however I expect them to be sensitive about the role of their country in WW2 and of the atrocities committed by their military. But then again this happened 70 years ago!!

      But again you are comparing two events which have little in common..comparing the holocaust with the seperation movement is really unfair and frankly quite pathetic. I still find many anglophones have a hard time accepting that they might have to lean another language..they are so used to being served in their language all the time and all over the world. The old attitudes are still lingering to some degree and I know many francophones still sense this and are frustrated by it. I still hear francophones complaining about not getting served in french here in Montreal..it still happens..less than before but its still an issue. There is still a tendency for english to be spoken in groups of both anglophones and francophoones even when the francophones outnumber the anglophones..it happens all the time.

      And again it seems that anglophones have it much better here in Montreal than any francophones elsewhere in Canada in terms of the level of services in their language but its the anglophones in Quebec who whine incessantly about it.



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    20. Well I have to admit that I hope you two are right - it would be much easier to accept that than the alternative but I have my doubts.

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    21. Comment meant for John and Ed at the end of the post.

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    22. I see that complicated is still trying to spin his broken record comparing the plight of anglos in Quebec with that of francos in the RoC. So for the record, with a sigh, I too shall repeat yet once again that unlike francos in the RoC, anglos have been a part of Quebec society for over 250 years (predating the discovery of electricity, if you can believe it), have developed and supported their own institutions here over that time and are not comparable in any way, shape or form with francos’ recent arrival in the Western provinces.

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    23. "anglos have been a part of Quebec society for over 250 years"

      Faux!Les décsendants d'anglos (les vrais) dont vous faites référence sont pratiquement disparus.

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    24. RS - Recent arrival in western canada..what a crock..you have already revised history to suit your own argument. The french were the first to explore and settle much of western canada..going back almost 300 years. Have a look at this for more details
      http://www.mhs.mb.ca/docs/mb_history/24/frenchpresence.shtml
      I have francophone family members who had to hide their franch textbooks in the prairies back in the 1930s and 40s as even french communities were told to teach in english only.
      So get off your high horse and learn some of the real facts. Once again another anglo from Montreal who thnks the world should evolve around him.

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    25. RS - Why dont you learn a bit about history in western canada. The french were the first to explore and settle the region going back about 300 years or so. They now have to fight tooth and nail for any services intheir language. Their services pale in comparison to what the anglos have in Montreal. Have a look here for more history lessons..
      http://www.mhs.mb.ca/docs/mb_history/24/frenchpresence.shtml

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  24. Being French, I usually like reading your blog posts because they are well informed and offer an original (to me) perspective on the language debate. I never agree with everything but find the read otherwise educating.
    This blog post however is different than the 30+ previous ones I read because it offered only a single fact - the news article that may or may not be accurate - then seemed to be fueled exclusively by hate. This was new since the editor usually denounces the fear and the hate coming from the French side while avoiding that mistake himself, which is what makes the blog so interesting.

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  25. FROM ED BROWN
    Suzanne F. You and Complicated are a great team. You get an idea in your head and you blurt it out like it's real. There was no domination by Anglos. This has been pointed out on this blog time and again by those of us that were there.
    Canada is not keen on world dominance why did it not gointo Iraq. Canada did not go into Iraq because we obey the rule thst says no country shall start a war unless it is being attacked or threatened. Iraq was George Bush's little party.

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    1. There was an anglophone elite. This is undisputed. Anglophones had a heck of a lot of influence in Quebec's economy and culture prior to 1960. This is not some crazy conspiracy theory, the statistics prove it.

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  26. Take it from an importation that has to put with "pure-laine" Quebeqois hate and xenophobia: get organized and create a party to represent the interests of the Anglo and importation tax payers. Liberals did nothing to prevent this. And oust Lisee, there is no negotiation or consultation with that rat.

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    1. Ha..good luck..you good run a monkey/a dog/a dead person/a criminal/a pedophile as the Liberal candidate in any anglo riding in Montreal and they would win easily. That is how open the anglo population is to change and to taking risk..

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    2. What about the Equality Party in the '89 election?

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    3. We need the Equality Party or a similar one back in this province. Again, wish I could turn back the clock. The separatists have what three (3) parties, feds only one. We need more representatives for the federalists to turn the screws on the separatists.

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    4. "We need the Equality Party"

      cutie for president!!!

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    5. I submit that most Anglos don't vote on language issues. They want tax money in their pocket like everyone else.

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  27. If we were part the US, the Constitution would protect every citizen. No not with standing clause. None of the BS.

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  28. Good one Adski! But for complicated and-the-like, the wind only blows one way, and their sh*t don't stink.

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  29. FROM ED BROWN
    To Suzanne F. - I owe you an apology.I misread your post. My bad. Ed

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  30. FROM ED BROWN
    Has anyone nticed that Mr. Legault says the PQ has not done that bad for a beginning and shoukld do well with no problems until late 2013. Showing his true PQ colors already. Thank God for the honesty of the Liberals. Ed

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    1. Of course Ed - A separatist is a separatist is a separatist. Complicated keeps bringing up the economy but the economy is not the biggest problem we have in this place. The instability and harassment by the separatists is keeping the economy from expanding because no one will invest in this place, our homes and businesses are worthless and no one but no one has a desire to move to a place where they do not have the freedom to speak whatever language we wish to speak without problems being created by the language bigots and the language police, for God's sake. Even typing "language police" pisses me off. What kind of a country do we live in where it's OK to have language police? Boggles the mind.

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    2. L'ontario n'est qu'à 2 pas...

      Vous allez passer le reste de votre vie à vous plaindre alors que l'ontario (le paradis) n'est qu'à 2 pas...Quelques malheureux kilomètres?

      Seriez-vous masochiste cutie ?Aimez-vous le cuir et les fouets ?

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    3. Ed - I have no idea where you got that from. Legault has been highly critical of the PQ..his twitters are literally trashing the PQ nonstop. I would says it the Liberals who have been a lot more silent..of course they have no moral ground to stand on. Every one of the CAQ voted against the budget wheras some Liberals were absent during the vote due to sudden health issues..

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    4. How much money do we place on Legault taking over the PQ Party? Place your bets ladies and gentlemen.

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    5. How much money do we place on anglos voting for the Lieberals again..

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    6. Have you seen the last election map, complicated? Have you noticed how red the island was? Anglos weren't the only ones voting Liberal.

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    7. Oh please..we know that anglos have overwhelmingly supported the Liberal party. Look at the overwhelming majortity the Libs win by in some ridings..its not even close. Its this herd mentality of voting that will get us nowhere. All I ever hear from anglos is that they have no choice..they do have a choice..they choose to remain in their "anybody who was seperatist is pure evil" mode..

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  31. Egged for speaking English?

    http://www.cjad.com/CJADLocalNews/entry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10477738

    Héhé!

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    1. SR, was it you who did this? Strangely, I can imagine you pelting a woman with eggs, and going "HeHe" while hiding around the corner.

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    2. C'mon adski!

      Ça aurait pu être pire...Imaginez si les oeufs avaient été cuits d'abord.Encore pire,un vrai raciste tel que Mr.Bain en liberté tirant sur des Péquistes présumés.

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    3. De plus,avez-vous remarqué le point d'interrogation?Peut-être qu'il ne s'agissait que d'environnementalistes qui visaient leur 4X4.

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    4. Not again!

      I'm sure the PQ is behind all this. They probably paid these criminals and bought the eggs while using anglos taxpayers money.

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    5. N'ayez crainte Johnny,ce sont de oeufs pourris.

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    6. Oh brother is CJAD going to sensationalize every event like this..I am not condoning it but these events are quite rare. There are always going to be a few idiots who take the language issue too far..young people in particular who have nothing better to do.
      Lets not jump on every event like this and blame it on language tensions. For all we know they may have pelted people at randon and just for added insult made the remark about speaking english.

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    7. What will it take for you to condemn those actions? Having Pauline Marois throwing eggs directly at your face?

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    8. Nous,quand on frappait les anglais à l'école,aucune radio n'en parlait.C'est un nouveau phénomène,manque de nouvelle,probablement.

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    9. No doubt you're right as usual, complicated... it must've been purely a coincidence. /eyeroll

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  32. And now of course the paramedics are going on strike for earlier retirement year (before 65) and other benefits. There is no end in sight for the demands of these socialist quebecers even though the economy is in the sewer. Unions are just f------ great in this province. Everything for nothing and they can't see the fallacy in their thinking. Get ready for the street demonstrations when they find there is no more money to be spent and let's hope to God that the ROC doesn't see fit to bail them out of the upcoming mess. They will have to go hungry just like during the great depression for them to see the light. Damn greedy politicians - anything for a buck. Partition this place and get rid of the social separatists and then we can get the economy back on track. Municipality or federal district referendums, let those areas go that want to be on welfare.

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    1. Cutie - Why dont you do something about it..like voting for a party that has said they would take on the unions. The only party in Quebec..the CAQ..who said they would take on the unions. Whining about it here and droning on about partition fairy tales wont make an iota of difference.

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    2. I have to wonder if you're not running for office. And I don't whine anywhere near as much as you.

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    3. Oh gees complicated, give it up already with this CAQ CAQ CAQ. Before voting CAQ, you might as well vote PQ, same diff, only with the PQ, you know what you're getting, with CAQ, it's on standby for 10yrs, WTF! The Liberals right now aren't my fave either especially since, they thread a very fine line and they too, refer to Quebec as a "Nation". This I cannot stomach. And while we are at it: Quebec is a province, (one of many) in the country of Canada. Point à la ligne. It is not a nation just cause you keep calling it that. FYI, saying so doesn't make it so!

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    4. Nous sommes une Nation AnecToTo et une société distincte,que vous le vouliez ou non.

      Héhé!

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    5. Yeah, you're the 30 yr old guy who braggs he has his own place but really, he lives in his parents basement. You're a nation only in your head bozo, just in your head. What counts is that when I leave the country, which occurs quite often, I leave it with a "CANADIAN PASSPORT". And I suspect that when you run down to Vermont to pay a gallon of oil a few bucks less...SO DO YOU... TROU d.c.

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    6. Vous êtes triste et le départ précipité de James John vous a rendu malheureux,n'est-ce pas?

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    7. It's a race to the bottom, Cutie... apparently that's something to aspire to here.

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    8. Seems to be - these separatists have no pride in anything but being bullies - broke, insulated, unwelcoming, stuck in the 1700s, stubborn, selfish, self-absorbed, socialist, bums, stick it to the system mentality, unemployed and proud of it, etc. Hopeless cases. We must find a way to rid ourselves of them and their lifestyle by partitioning this place and letting them go their own way. They will never fit into our society such as they are.

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  33. The problem isn‘t so much Legault‘s past. I honestly do not believe he will work for separation. He seems like a man who may still be a sep but respects the fact that most want to stay in Canada.
    The problem is that the hideous PQunt option is always there lurking in the background. People are scared to split the vote so they stay with the Liberals. It was a good decision considering they weren‘t far off from victory and they kept the racists at a minority. Corruption or racism, I will pick corruption any day. Oh and look here, the PQunt is just as corrupt. And yes, patronage and nepotism is corruption.
    As long as the PQunt is around many people will stay with the Liberals. One day I hope we can vote along left/right/center lines.

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  34. Yes that would be a normal choice in Canada but not here in quebec - it's separatist vs non separatist and has been for too many years.

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  35. No surprises here. This hatred and xenophobia against the English minority is quickly moving from verbal assaults to physical, and it's escalating by the day. Soon eggs will be replaced with rocks (or as we've already seen recently, with fists). Then from rocks to knives, and from knives to bullets. Can't happen in Canada? Watch and see, it can and WILL happen anywhere where the government teaches the population to hate one specific group and its citizens and authorities sit by idly.

    The whole Quebec situation is bizarre. It is such a BLACK AND WHITE ISSUE. The whole goddamn separatist movement, the Parti Quebecois, language laws and restrictions (including the hate doctrine know as Bill 101) is WRONG, twisted, corrupt and yes, evil. I would go as far as saying it is a poison to this province and country. There is nothing to debate or consider, it has to be abolished and banned. ALL the French is the master race rhetoric. If Quebec is officially a Canadian province, IT MUST STOP NOW. Sadly it won't...and I'm at a loss why the federal government or anyone else has allowed this to go on for over 40 years now.

    I also believe we're past the point of return, the damage is far too great and imbedded here. Had it been stopped in the 80s there might have been hope, but like a cancer ignored, it has been left untreated for far too long and spread and poisoned the whole. I've given up on Quebec, there is nothing left to do but leave and let it collapse in on itself. Maybe the federal government should work on programs to help get people like myself out and get re-settled in the real Canada.

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    1. Yes re-settlement grants should be made available to people whose lives have been negatively affected by the political actions of the separatists in this province. Fair market value for our homes, as compared to other provinces, would be a starting point. I would be interested in that and I'm sure my family would also. They've let this mess get to this point so instead of equalization payments to the government, let that money be used to make up for our losses. Other than that, partition the place and let those areas go that don't want to remain with the rest of us. Money from the same pot of equalization payments could be used for relocation grants to the separatists that want to leave also after partition also. Great idea.

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    2. I dont know why many of you didnt leave in the past few years when real esate prices were high. Cutie..dont you live right across from Ottawa..if its so horrible in Quebec then just cross the river..you could have sold your place for a decent amount of money. I dont get it really..I hear anglos complaining all the time about Quebec and the future and they stay here. Personally I dont things are going to be run any better and Bill 101 at best will stay about the same..so if you cant handle that reality then you should have left. Otherwise deal with it constructively..if you keep voting for the same creeps year after year dont expect things to change..they wont.

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  36. FROM EED BROWN
    Adski, For once SR is right. The idiot separatists throwing eggs are as crazy as Richard bain. They are all mentally unbalanced. Thanks to SR for pointing this out. Ed

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    1. Sorry Ed - I don't agree. These incidents are going to get worse and there will be a lot more of them as long as the separatist government condones the actions of the people who are committing the crimes. Like SR, they sit in the back rooms going HeHe when the anglos or allos are targeted. What we need are some of the francophones to be egged and/or stoned by mistake because they are speaking english to friends and someone to catch their reaction on video so other francophones can see how bad things have become in this province for their own friends and families. Some crazies are out there but unfortunately the acts we've seen so far (other than Mr. Bain) have been perpetrated by brain washed separatists that feel the government condones these actions as some kind of noble war they're in. Ridiculous but there it is.

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    2. I agree with you Ed, this comparison between Bain and those crazy eggs throwers is accurate.

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  37. FROM ED BROWN
    I've mentioned before how my grandson was blocked by the welfare trying to get help so he could finish high school. After two years I took his case to the local member of provincial parliament. He managed to help but at the same time he admitted that office was full of English hating separatists. H e told me they (the Libera Government) had tried to do something about it for years but the unions were too strong. Charest knew it was useless to fight them. If legault thinks he can control the unions he is dumber that marois. A party would need a landslide victory to tackle such a thing. They are in every provincial government building in Quebec and if challenged will simply call a a province wide strike. Levesque set the laws in their favour. After the mess that marois is making the Liberals will probably be welcomed with that sort of victory. Legault on the other hand will probably have one vote, Complicated's. Ed

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    1. Trying to figure out why a federalist would want to vote for the CAQ is bewildering.

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  38. I think the wider issue is not just the English-French thing. I agree that nationalism is a cancer. Not cultural pride. Not love of the French language. But nationalism.

    One of the main things that is fueling the English-French debate is that French Canadians do not have a respect for authentic freedom. And to be fair, lots of English Canadians don't, either. But English political tradition is rooted in freedom, and not so much in French thought. It seems to me that to the French, liberty is something to be regulated so you can have it. For the English, freedom is the government leaving you the hell alone.

    Rather than playing up identity politics and complaining about the nationalist rhetoric (however justified those complaints are) I think the real problem is the understanding of freedom. Governments have set jurisdictions and limits. Beyond that, the government is OBLIGED to leave you alone.

    French Canadians do not get that AT ALL, especially the leftists in the PQ/Nationalist movement.

    If we promote the idea of freedom -- not just linguistic freedom, but freedom in general-- this will have a positive outcome for Anglos.

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  39. No wonder they're oblivious… No one loves whiny crybabies…

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  40. I left Quebec for Vancouver 40 years ago. I have many friends in Quebec...I tell them flat out -- get out of Quebec. It is better in Vancouver. And it is! This is not "cowardly betrayal", you dimwit. It's warmer here! We have beauty mountains. Beauty ocean. Beauty forests. Beauty skiing. Beauty everything! And no language police! You friggin' dummy liar!!

    Signed, Happy Doug McNichol in Burnaby

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  41. I also find it insulting to imply that we are cowards to leave our homes when it is done out of necessity to provide for our families. I have lived in Montreal for 50 years, worked and contributed significantly to the tax machine for 30 of those years. I am fluently bilingual but clearly have English as my first language. I was laid off in August and could not find any work in Montreal, terrible timing as it was right after the election and companies put many plans on hold. I started to apply to other cities in Canada and could not believe the number of opportunities in Calgary. I sold m house, packed up and went west to find a job. I start in a week from now and cannot be happier. It is easy to criticize others, however I always look in the mirror before doing that.

    Signed, Settling in Calgary.

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