Quebecers remain Canada's least generous province
Definitions:
- Donors: People who made at least one donation of money to a charitable or other non-profit organization in the 12-month reference period preceding the survey.
- Donor rate: This is the percentage of a given population that are donors.
- Volunteers: People who volunteered, that is, who performed a service without pay, on behalf of a charitable or other non-profit organization, at least once in the 12-month reference period preceding the survey. This includes any unpaid help provided to schools, religious organizations, sports or community associations.
- Volunteer rate: This is the percentage of a given population that are volunteers.
Now there was a lot of discussion the last time these figure were released with many saying that Quebecers are less charitable because they are used to the state taking care of the population. Also because they are the heaviest taxed province, giving is just that much harder.
But here is a table prepared by DAVID over at republiques de bananes that compares the donation rate of the rich, those families making over $100,000.
Credit DAVID at republique de bananes |
I shudder to think what the numbers would be if you took the Anglo and Ethnic component out of Quebec fundraising statistics.
Numbers are hard to come by, the only 'Ethnic' charitable donation numbers I could come up with is the fundraising done by Quebec's Jewish community in which Quebec's 80,000 Jews raise 46 million for its own general charity, the Federation CJA.
This compares to the Montreal/Laval/Longueuil Centraide general campaign which raises only $60 million in a community of 3 million.
Quebec Jewish donations to the the Federation CJA equals $647 per adult while Centraide averages just $23 per adult.
When it comes to University endowments, McGill's $920 million fund is five time bigger than the Université de Montreal's $189 million.
In fact, out of the top 25 universities in Canada, U of M's endowment fund, calculated on a per student basis (at $3,700) is at the bottom of the group LINK
By the way, Harvard university's endowment fund is $31 billion and Yale University's is $19 billion ..cough..cough!
Insult goes viral.
A frustrated francophone movie goer expressed disappointment that the COLOSSUS movie theatre in Laval shows most of its movies in English, especially in its new state of the art theatre. Writing on the movie chains Facebook page she asked why the new technology was offered only for English movies. You can imagine her surprise when she got this message back from an administrator of the Facebook page.
"If ur not happy go to Guzzo :)"
The ironic part in all this is that the reply got 116 'LIKES' almost immediately.
"Laval residents frustrated not to have access to French-language films can be reassured.The Minister responsible for the Charter of the French language, Diane De Courcy, "took note" of their impatience. The anglicization of Laval,a recurring problem cited by the Parti Quebecois campaign is "worrying", she said." Link
Yes, buckets of righteous indignation poured out from the French press as the usual theme of victimization was trotted out once more.
But the question of forced dubbing of English films goes to the heart of free speech. As it stands now, Hollywood blockbusters cannot be shown in the original English before a French dubbed version is available.
Now if you were to ask francophones if this is fair, I'll bet 99% would say that it is, but let's examine the issue a bit further.
Should English culture be translated into French by law?
If so why does this rule apply only to Hollywood blockbusters?
Why not books and magazines? Shouldn't they by right be translated too before the English versions are allowed to be sold in Quebec.
How about music?
Why is Lady Gaga allowed to sing in English and yet talking toys that speak only in English are banned?
Why are real cars allowed to have English on the dashboard and toy cars not?
How about other live entertainment like English comedians at the Just for Laughs festival?
It begs an explanation and I'd like to hear it.
Quebec billionaire delivers stern message
Last week Quebec billionaire Stephen Jarislowsky wrote an opinion piece published in French in Le Devoir and translated into English, a few days later in the Globe and Mail."Switzerland uses four official languages. Two of them – Schwyzerdütsch, a German dialect, and Romansch, descended from Latin – are unique to Switzerland. Neither they, nor French, nor Italian, are threatened by English, which is also spoken by most Swiss.I hope you take the time to read the above article, either in English or French, it is rather interesting in its simplicity and like the little boy who accused the emperor of wearing no clothes, Mr Jarislowsky goes to the heart of the matter, rather succinctly and without to much wordplay to underscore that the whole concept of French being in danger is claptrap.
But, in Quebec, we are repeatedly told this myth that French is threatened and English should be suppressed so French can survive. The province is surrounded entirely by English speakers, but English proficiency is disappearing in the hinterland. Fewer and fewer people can write in English. As a result, Quebec risks becoming a “hermit state,” increasingly isolated from Canada and the rest of the world." Read the rest of the article {French} {English}
Of course the reaction in the French media was universally negative. Here is a representative sampling:
"The poor quality of the analysis, the prejudices and falsehoods of the letter from Mr. Jarislowsky do not even deserve thorough response. We feel the frustration of the election of the PQ. The mind boggles reading this letter anti-Quebec."
"In 1950, Montreal was the mecca of head offices in Canada. Now it is only fourth." This is the caption under the the photo
--- The decline of Montreal, Canada's largest city until then, began with the opening of the St. Lawrence Seaway funded by Canada, the United States and, if I remember correctly by the United Kingdom itself.
"We do not need anyone like Jarislowsky. This man does not understand the fragility of French culture in North America, it looks a bit like what happened to francophones in other provinces or those in the USA. They have survived, but at what price? Most have lost their French, and what remains eloquently exposes the effects of immersion in the language of the majority. The Swedes who learn English are not surrounded by English as we are. In any case, Jarislowsky's arguments are from a man for whom everything has a relationship with money, not the human experience."
"It is often impossible to be served in French in small businesses in Ottawa, the capital of a country that claims to have two official languages, but which refuses to live the status of a bilingual city.
You should try to walk a few miles in our shoes before you judge!
Of course if we had banks where organized crime and wealthy citizens could hide their money tax-free, like Switzerland ..."
Opinion: How am I not une vraie Québécoise.
"From kindergarten to Sec 5, the language I heard daily from 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. was French. Once I got home, I got a good mix of French and English from my family, and almost exclusively French from my friends and the rest of the neighbourhood kids. They thought of me as "the English girl." But when I made anglophone friends at summer camp, or visited family outside of Quebec, I was thought of as "the French girl."
Here in Quebec I was teased because of my English name, my accent and the anglo twist I put on French words (sometimes to the point of refusing to say certain things because I'd become painfully aware that I was saying them wrong). Other times I was asked to toss out random English for sheer entertainment value, like a dog performing tricks.
One branch of my family tree is French, Québécois de souche, traceable all the way back to France and the shores of Dieppe in the mid-17th century. That part of me is firmly rooted in the history and culture of Quebec, and there is proof of it on a tombstone on the Île d'Orléans.
The other branch came here little more than half a century ago. My paternal grandparents made it out of Nazi-occupied Poland and Germany with their lives and not much else.
Both fascinate me, both make me feel equally proud, and one has left me with awareness, albeit by proxy, of what it might mean to have your rights stripped away bit by bit.
On my mother's side, my mom, grandparents, aunt, uncle and cousins spoke impeccable French. The extended family — great-aunts and -uncles, second cousins — did as well, amusing me with their Franco-Ontarian twang.
My paternal grandparents, on the other hand, had thick Slavic accents when they spoke English, and barely spoke French at all. My father, born in the old country but raised here, spoke flawless English and heavily accented French. One of my favourite childhood memories is of him helping me with my weekly vocabulary homework, the mangled French words coming out of his mouth never failing to leave me in stitches. Looking back, I am quite certain he laid it on thick for my benefit. Still, to this day, even though he can carry on a French conversation with ease, it's never without that unmistakable anglo accent.
When I was a teenager and becoming aware of my own identity, political and otherwise, I was staunchly pro-American. Bill 101 and the growing language discord on my home turf had already left their mark. I dreamed of a place where I'd feel more welcome, where I thought I'd fit in better, both intellectually and language-wise. "U.S.A. or bust" was markered across my school binders. In a bastion of French-Canadianness and classes full of fledgling Bloc Québécois and Parti Québécois supporters, I was once again "l'anglaise."
Twenty-two years later, I am still here in Quebec. For all its political flaws, it is a place I have come to deeply love.
I live my days in both French and English, navigating both with ease. Technically French is my mother tongue, yet despite 13 years of French schooling, I never fail to have to look up grammar rules and verb tenses when writing in it. When it comes to speaking and understanding it, though, it's a different ball game. Read the rest of the story
Montreal Police show that discretion is the better part of valour.
French language signs no longer required in South Stormont
South Stormont Council unanimously passed a by-law Wednesday, allowing local businesses to post signs in whatever language they choose.
Supporters say it's a matter of freedom of expression.
"We are an English speaking area and that's what we want," said David Smith, owner of Grumpy’s Sports Bar. "I don’t believe I'm going to get any busier if I change my sign and it's not going to be free to change them.”
The issue has been a heated debate among residents.
"French language is blowing through the rest of Canada," said one resident.
“I don't think the government should dictate what we put on our signs…personal, private, or business,” said another. “We should have the right to put any language on a sign whether it's Mohawk Chinese English or French.” Read more:
Montreal Metro Ticket Seller gives out language lessons
Signs proclaiming an employee’s stance on language issues should not be posted on the window of a métro station ticket booth, Montreal’s transit authority says.The Société de transport de Montréal was responding to a complaint from a subway user who came upon a printed sign at the Villa Maria métro station Wednesday: “Au Québec c’est en français que ca se passe!” (Roughly translated: “In Quebec, we do things in French”) Link
Thanks to Apple IIGS for the heads up.
Oh, Oh! This isn't going to go over well.
"Quebec’s French language network TVA will soon be airing a French version of the popular sing-off competition show The Voice.La Voix has been drawing huge crowds for auditions in Montreal and Quebec but — to the confusion of some — the producers say it is OK to sing in English, or any other language for that matter.
Recent press releases state: “La Voix is now looking for talent from all over North America. You think your voice has what it takes? Seize the opportunity to become North America’s La Voix! Singing in French is not a must, but could raise your chances.”
Amelie Robitaille, a publicist for the show, acknowledges it may seem strange to have a French singing program that allows English, but that everyone is indeed invited.
She says there could be legal implications if an individual was barred from auditioning due to language." Read more
Odds n' ends
Rap singer Biz refuses Governor-General nomination
Nunavik board bucks Quebec order on French-language education in Kuujjuaq
French parents stand firm against PQ language threat
French fight franglais with alternatives for English technology terms
Air Canada gets 7-up charges reduced
Quebec 2012 deficit heading towards 4 billion{Fr}
Late addition;
Here's an interview in FRENCH that is extremely interesting taken from Montreal's newest radio station, Radio X or better known as 'Radio poubelle' (garbage)
Now I'd like to shamelessly plug this station where you can listen to a variety of anti-separatist/leftist/PQ commentary.
I've downloaded an interview with Nathalie Elgrably-Levy concerning the migratory defect that Quebec has suffered over the last 40 years, only because I don't know how long the station archives stuff. If you've got half an hour, the interview is fascinating. Please give the station a listen...
Editor, why do all your links at the end of your article lead to the same unrelated story?
ReplyDeleteA BLOGGER issue which I resolved.....Thanks
DeleteHi Readers!
DeleteI wanted to put this near the top of the Comments section hoping may of you catch the e-mail addresses I've come across. Sadly, ABC and one of the other networks are very e-mail shy where they only give a limit of 500 to 3000 alphanumeric characters to explain yourself. Actually, 60 minutes prefers a mail-in report, but since I had the e-mail address, I'm including it.
Does anybody else have any other e-mail addresses for news shows in the U.S.? Please post them.
60 Minutes: 60m@cbsnews.com
Fox's At Large: atlarge@foxnews.com
Dateline NBC: dateline@nbcuni.com
Fox News Tips: foxnewstips@foxnews.com
Rock Center on NBC: rockcenter@nbcuni.com
I am not sure if it is my corporate internet filter but, the police video isn't working. Any chance someone can upload it somewhere else and provide an alternate link?
ReplyDeleteThanks
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=575_1348586150
DeleteThe reply got 12 likes not 116!
ReplyDeleteNot familiar with Facebook, editor?
FROM ED BROWN
DeleteThe reply got 12 likes in English, 116 in French. Are you not familiar with Facebook Dave? Ed
Dave is right....the English reply got only 12 likes, while 116 liked the original question...Ed and Editor are off-base...
DeleteRe the South Stormont, ON sign story: This reverses an earlier decision by former mayor, Ken Hill. In the TV news article, seen for a split second at the microphone but not mentioned is Howard Galganov. Galganov made an impassioned plea to the town council and mayor to reverse the prior by-law he went to court over. His blog, galganov dot com, obtained a copy (or himself recorded) of his address to the town council. See the Sept 30th editorial.
ReplyDeleteTo see his address to the town council, the portal link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lERJSB452E8
The town council's response is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7L00C3tsog&feature=player_embedded
Galganouille est passé de Montréal à...South Stormont ? :)
ReplyDeleteUne carrière d'"activiste" en pleine progression.Prochaine étape : Héroux-town
Dunno what you're trying to say... so it's not important, as usual.
DeleteI'm willing to bet that employee from the transit system is a member of Imperatif Francais. Public servants, especially in Montreal and Quebec City, should be required to be bilingual and I don't give a flying f--- about Bill 101. These are tourist destinations that bring in $Ms of dollars every year and they can't expect tourists in North America to learn french to visit these destinations. Plus these are also my tax dollars that are paying their damn salaries - WHEN IS QUEBEC GOING TO SMARTEN UP? PARTITION THIS DAMN PROVINCE AND LET THOSE AREAS THAT WANT TO LIVE IN ISOLATION GO - TIME TO END THE STUPIDITY OF ALL THIS DRAMA BEFORE WE'RE ALL BANKRUPT. I WANT TO BE PART OF A NORMAL CANADA AGAIN WHERE XENOPHOBES ARE AT A MINIMUM!
ReplyDelete75 Federal Districts - 75 referendums, clear question, clear majority, Clarity Act, those areas that vote to live in isolation and not willing to sign the constitution, go their own way. The rest of us form a bilingual province or join Ontario or NB if they will have us. Off you go seppies - good riddance!
Delete"I WANT TO BE PART OF A NORMAL CANADA"
DeleteRien de plus simple : Prenez la 401 vers...South Stormont.
Dépêchez-vous car le prix des maison à Gatineau est en chute libre...Comme la carrière d'activiste de galaganov ;)
Even if they're not bilingual, a basic level of civility to the paying customers shouldn't be too much to ask.
DeleteOnly an empty headed degenerate would be happy to see the value of their land depreciate instead of gaining in value as any NORMAL PERSON would expect. God - PLEASE LET THEM GO ON TO THEIR OWN LITTLE PIECE OF LAND - FAST!
DeleteLa valeur de ma propriété a carrément doublée...en 10 ans!
DeleteJ'habite un quartier 100% Québécois...Oups non,l'employé du dépanneur au coin de la rue est chinois mais il s'en tire assez bien en français...Ni hao!
Readers and contributors, WAKE UP! Look, it's now painfully obvious who the problem children are, so it's time to humiliate them. The two conspicuous Metro stations were this issue is taking place are Lionel Groulx and Villa Maria. Time to goad a fight. Next time a pair of riders needs to take the Metro, one should make a point of approaching the fellow in the booth in English while the other records his reaction on an iphone or other small hidden camera. Catch the xenophobe red-handed, and then go viral with it. Be sure to send it to an American network along with other examples. There is nothing like trying to ge the Americans involved as this embarrasses the Quebec government more than anything else. Be sure to embellish this can happen to American tourists who come to Quebec. Imagine the scare an unsuspecting American would get if a Metro customer service agent goes ape-shit on the tourist without understanding why.
Delete"Be sure to send it to an American network ?!?"
DeleteLes américains adorent le Québec contrairement aux canadians.
Je sais,dificile de croire que les Étasuniens soient moins racistes que certains hillbillies du Nord,mais oui,je le sais pour avoir travaillé quelques années dans un milieu très fréquenté par les touristes.Les pires intolérants et désagréables?Sans contredit,les ontariens.
Les américains vont choisir mississauga(Donut-city) comme destination plutôt que Québec?
DeleteHahahaha!
Hi fellow readers and contributors: Notwithstanding S.R.'s usual annoying but ignorable gibber-jabber, I have put the e-mail addresses I have on file above on the thread of the first comment. I also e-mailed the editor directly requesting he puts the addresses where they can be accessed anytime. If any of you have anymore e-mail addresses, please e-mail the editor directly at anglomontreal@gmail.com.
DeleteI thought the Editor was going to delete S.R's idiotic donut comments.
DeleteWhenever I visit the States I always make sure that I tell Americans exactly what's going on in Quebec with regards to the restriction of minority rights, and that many Quebecois hate the U.S. Their attitude towards Quebec quickly turns negative (if it wasn't negative already).
Yes, Americans have many other wonderful places to visit in Canada than this horrible province. I spread the word any chance I get about the bigots in this province and tell them not to visit because they will be treated badly by the natives. STAY AWAY FROM HERE ALL YOU GUYS FROM SOUTH OF THE BORDER. Newfoundland, PEI, Ontario, any other province will treat you well and look forward to your business IN ENGLISH. Don't give these ignorant people a chance to harass you in any way, shape or form. Stay away and give them no tourist dollars! They hate the anglophones and will try to embarrass you.
DeleteIt is important that we let S.R post because he represents the attitude of many Quebecers who view this province with rose-coloured glasses, where Quebec can do no wrong and fantasy and make-believe replace facts.
Delete"Out of 18 million tourists who came to Canada in 2011 only 3 million visited Quebec or 1/6 of the total'
Ontario gets over 7 million visitors.
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Delete"Ontario gets over 7 million visitors."
DeleteLa vraie question est de savoir le temps moyens qu'ils y sont demeurés.
Une nuitée?...2?
This is exactly what I'm talking about, there is no negative statistic or fact that you will accept.
DeleteQuebec is the richest province in Canada with the lowest debt and is the Garden of Eden.
Anything wrong, is the fault of the Anglos or the ROC.
These delusions is what keeps Quebec separatists from facing reality.
If I were to provide you a statistic that showed that tourists spend more days on the average trip in Ontario versus Quebec, you would reply that 'Quebec' days are longer than Ontario days and so incomparable.
It never ends this delusion.
Something like provincial partition will be very long process to achieve (Remember how long the territorial partition of the Northwest Territories took?). That's not saying I would advocate against starting the movement right away, in fact, the sooner the better with a potentially lengthy process such as this. For the time being though, I think small goals like official municipal re-bilingualisation of Montreal would be a good start towards more linguistic rights in Quebec. As as of now this is constitutionally possible.
Delete@ Editor,
DeleteI just saying that if S.R can continue making posts about donuts in Mississauga, then the rest of us should be able to make references to the Quebecois love of poutine, pepsi, pea soup, May West cakes, horse meat, etc.
You said you can't
DeleteWho* said you can't?
DeleteHowever, I can tell that poutine is very popular among "ethnic" kids.
Some past references were deleted.
DeleteI agree with you, Editor. It's simply astounding how he's determined to ignore facts in his determination to ruin Quebec. Héhé !
Delete"Editor said: "that compares the donation rate of the rich, those families making over $100,000"
ReplyDeleteLet me assure you that "rich" does not start with a family income of $100,000. Somewhat above average, sure, but if you live in any of the major cities in this country, you'd have a tough time saving up a down-payment to buy an average-priced house on $100k/year.
SSJB and the PQ (party, not the govt) - why don't you bankroll the translations of the original content to French at Colossus Laval and other chains across QC?
ReplyDeleteCelene Lessard, why don't you learn some English and enjoy the original stuff? Trust me, it blows the voiced-over stuff out of the water.
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"This man does not understand the fragility of French culture in North America, it looks a bit like what happened to francophones in other provinces or those in the USA."
Your ruling elites do not understand it either. Their children are stashed away in English private schools as we speak.
If the solution is to close people up in a "hermit state", then that's no solution at all. Even if the bubble solution could slow down or reverse the "fragility"... you end up stuck in a bubble, mate.
Why should we taxpayers get stuck paying for all these translations to french to serve the separatist agenda in this province? I'm tired of my tax dollars being spent on these ungrateful idiots - I want my money to do some good not keep these bigots in EI and welfare - stop going to the movies if you find you can't have what you want!
Delete@Adski : Bubbles end up popping one day or another.
DeleteYou gave a sample of the reactions to Jarislowsky's paper on hermit Québec. This is a sample of the usual laments on the fragility of french. I found some other comments more interesting :
ReplyDelete#1
"La comparaison avec la Suède n'est pas la bonne
Je suis suédois. Je n'ai jamais mis pied au Québec, pourtant, ce que j'ai lu sur l'Internet à l'endroit de la situation québecoise me fait croire que la comparaison avec la Suède n'est pas la bonne.
Comme plusieurs l'ont déjà remarqué, la Suède n'est pas entourée d'un océan d'anglais. Et même s'il est probablement vrai que la quasi-totalité de la population adulte parle l'anglais, le niveau de maîtrise n'est pas toujours très élevé.
La situation québecoise, avec une minorité anglophone de 8% n'est pas de tout comparable. Contrairement au cas de francais au Québec, le Suédois n'est pas en danger. Partout où vous allez, vous serez desservi en Suédois (d'abord) et, si c'est évident que vous ne le parlez pas, dans un anglais mauvais (ce qui est souvent tout ce dont vous avez besoin pour vous faire comprendre)." (Rasmus Persson, Suède)
#2
"Je vis en Suède depuis 5 ans, et non, ce n'est pas tout le monde qui parle anglais. La première année, j'ai travaillé dans un bureau où nous étions de différentes nationalités. Je ne parlais pas encore ni ne comprenais le suédois, et à la première réunion mensuelle pour présenter les projets, les avancements, etc., les patons suédois, pendant plus d'une heure, on fait leur présentation en suédois. Pas un mot d'anglais.
Si les Suédois ont plus de facilité avec l'anglais, c'est simpelement que la grammaire est quasi-identique à la grammaire anglaise et se rapproche beaucoup de l'anglais. Même chose pour l'allemand ou le hollandais.
Pour celles et ceux qui ont voyagé dans les pays latins, ils savent que si l'on compare les Québécois avec les Italiens, les Français ou encore les Portuguais, les premiers se débrouillent bien mieux en anglais que les seconds.
Je terminerai en disant à M. Jarislowsky que je suis un fervent indépendantiste, que je parle 5 langues et que je suis en train d'apprendre le mandarin." (Sylvain Racine, Suède)
http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/359705/le-quebec-est-devenu-un-etat-ermite
I doubt that the first post was written by a Swede called "Rasmus Person". It is possible that a Swede could speak French (though it's rare), but he is a tad too well versed in the pequiste terminology and lingo, including some precise phrases ("entourée d'un océan d'anglais", "une minorité anglophone de 8%", "Partout où vous allez, vous serez desservi en Suédois")...especially the thing about being "served" in your language..that is a cultural aspect of QC. I was thinking that maybe he's married to a Quebecoise so he divides his time between here and there and had some of QC's culture penetrate his head, but he says he never set foot in Quebec and gets his all info online. You can't get such cultural immersion online, unless you are really interested in the place to the point of obsession, in which case you usually end up traveling to that place, which Rasmus did not get around to doing, apparently.
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The second guy's story is more credible, except where he says he speaks 5 languages. It seems like so many contributors to the Le Devoir comments board are "polyglottes"...they all claim to speak at least 2 languages, some 3 or 4, this one 5...Impressive, I must say.
As long as you keep on quoting Le Devoir as if it was the Holy Bible or the King of the Newspapers or the Truth of the Truths, you will never get past your small word.
DeleteThese comments are irrelevant and once again demonstrate nothing. Not only that: they are 100% fake and false as English is well-mastered in Sweden, Norway and Finland.
The problem is not the language: it's the ATTITUDE you québécois display on a daily basis, in and outside of Québec! Nobody will ever dream of putting up such an insulting sign in any civilized country, even if their English is very very limited. But once again: to wash your hands of your responsibility and attitude, you take (or better, you decontextualize) any comments from any newspapers and readjust them to your interests and purposes, to justify nastiness and rudeness against the others.
With that attitude, fewer and fewer people will speak French (me, never and never).
". It seems like so many contributors to the Le Devoir comments board are "polyglottes"...they all claim to speak at least 2 languages, some 3 or 4, this one 5...Impressive, I must say"
DeleteThey are so self-absorbed they manage to convince themselves of speaking 5 languages. With that attitude (see my comment), your brain shuts automatically down. Attitude and motivation are the most important components in the second-language acquisition process!
Grow up, québécois!
De-contextualization like where the "Swede" says "You can be served in Swedish everywhere you go", which is projecting a QC-specific trait on a totally different context. In reality, the issue of "being served in Swedish" is not part of the Swedish psyche, and it is something they do not relate to. People in QC do, not only because of history, but mainly because the subject got so much airplay, was turned into the rock on which the nationalist movement rests, got blown out of proportion, was relentlessly propagated, and is still propagated today. So it's part of the culture, and it's part of everyone's mentality.
DeleteIf you went to my country and talked about being served in your language, nobody would relate to it. They would understand the content of your statements, but they would not form any connection with it. They would subsequently forget this conversation a minute later and move on to other things, let alone write about it on some QC newspaper forum (they would not know about this newspaper to begin with) in a language that is not widely known these days (as opposed to 100 years ago) in that country.
Adski,
DeleteI don't personnaly know this Sylvain Racine, I only know about him that he writes a blog in five languages, french, english, spanish, italian and swedish. Goole translation? I don't know. Other contributers write with him? I don't know.
http://www.tslskonsult.com/
I know that he lives in Sweden. Spanish and italian are easier to french speakers. Does he master those languages? I don't know? Does he have a real personnal experience of multilinguistic environment and of interactions? I think he does.
...but his attitude sucks anyway.
DeleteQuelle surprise... Monsieur Racine links to vigile.net on his Twitter account (https://twitter.com/SylvainARacine)... oh, and absolutely NOBODY has ever responded to his self-indulgent posts at http://www.tslskonsult.com either...
Delete"Should English culture be translated into French by law? If so why does this rule apply only to Hollywood blockbusters? Why not books and magazines? Shouldn't they by right be translated too before the English versions are allowed to be sold in Quebec. How about music? Why is Lady Gaga allowed to sing in English and yet talking toys that speak only in English are banned?"
ReplyDeleteYes, movies have to be translated but not books, magazines, music nor real car dashboards. And, yes, english comedians can perform live in english.
Arn't we more easy going than the zealots that we are supposed to be?
"Why are real cars allowed to have English on the dashboard and toy cars not? It begs an explanation and I'd like to hear it."
I don't care about real car dashboard. I do care about toys though.
First, I care because, when my daughters were learning to read, they were able to read "école" on their Playmobil school. If it was written "school", they would struggle reading "s-chole"(french pronunciation...), would not make sense out of it and written words would have still have been elusive to them.
The second reason has to do with Clark's doll experiment. I believe that self-esteem is essential to one's development. Long discussion, too little time.
And if one wants to see the potential effects of self hate, one can listen to the suggested Radio X sample.
(P.S. Before being offended that I compare the situation of quebeckers in Québec to the situation of afro-americans in the USA, débarquez de vos grands chevaux. The level of alienation is of course not the same. It is like comparing Québec to South Africa and taking it at first degree, only a moron would not understand that the level is not the same, right?)
If the French language zealots could find a way to eliminate English TV, radio, books, magazines and newspapers, I'm sure they would do so. There was a story not long ago of language activists who harassed a book store owner for placing 'too many' English magazines in the front display window.
DeleteDurham, I believe PQ will have a row the Feds for a "Conseil de la radiodiffusion et des télécommunications quebecoises" - it was started by the Bloc and it's one of the declared fights PQ will start with Harper. If the federal govt concedes this and a CRTQ will exist, what exactly do you expect will happen?
DeleteThe bans could also apply to live English performances at entertainment centres. Several years ago, the leader of Imperatif Francais complained that there were too many English acts at the casino in Gatineau. And we all know that the Quebec government listens to these degenerates. Both Imperatif Francais and the Mouvement Montreal Francais succeeded in convincing the Charest government to remove the 'Press 9' option for English language service at the beginning of government phone answering systems.
DeleteThen there were the complaints about too much English music being played at Montreal Canadiens hockey games at the Bell Centre in Montreal. The list just goes on and on...
This is exactly why the Federal Government must not give Quebec ANY MORE POWER - GET RID OF THE NOTWITHSTANDING CLAUSE IN THE CONSTITUTION - These zealots must be stopped at any price - escalation of the separatist movement included. That will give us the opportunity to get this partition movement underway and let them go - at long last! E-mail all your representative politicians and let them know how you feel about QUEBEC getting more power and removing any more of our rights AS CANADIAN CITIZENS - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
DeleteIf you're interested in self esteem Michel, you should work toward a productive, tolerant, educated and multilingual population to replace the ignorant, bigotted, rude Francophone beggar society that Quebec has become since the introduction of Bill 101. There's no real self - esteem to be found in your kids scrounging for jobs from anglo and ethnic business ventures while they consider them lesser than themselves.
ReplyDeleteDid you fit them for white hoods and robes yet? Some 'patriotes' arm bands perhaps?
I hear Provost is now offering goose-stepping classes. Rheale might be tutoring bomb-construction 101. And SR, no doubt, holds court at the brass with 'how to best get by on your welfare cheque'.
FROM ED BROWN
ReplyDeleteYou are absolutely right Michel. the comparison of Afro Americans is a good one. The difference being that Afros got out of the hole and made something of themselves. Today they are Doctors with a private practice, lawyers etc. Their entertainers make top dollars and they entertain all over the world. The Francos . . . . Ed
Ed, you had said that you were "out of here". Now you are back. Which is it?
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DeleteHarley, It will be whatever I decide. Does my presence disturb you? Strange, I've never seen this name before. Is this the only post you have ever made, and why? Ed
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DeleteDarn! I didn't even get to see the stupidity before it got deleted...
Delete"Today they are Doctors with a private practice, lawyers..."
ReplyDeleteEt président des É.U...Mais la grande majorité constitue toujours la masse la plus pauvre de ce pays.
Washington représente un bel exemple : Une ville coupé en deux (par une rue) ou l'on retrouve les plus riches d'un coté et les plus pauvres de l'autre.Devinez quelle est la couleur dominante que l'on retrouve dans la partie la plus défavorisée de cette ville ?
Coucou, kiki ! Surely you must understand the reasons... at least I hope so! Héhé !
DeleteI wish they made public whatever measure they plan to take with this STM employee. I sadly expect that nothing, but it should be an exemplary correction. Obviously the guy does not fear for his job. No private business could ever afford having an 'YOU ADJUST TO ME' attitude in their customer service.
ReplyDeleteA few years ago while in holiday in Panama I was surprised to see Quebeckers expecting French from the holiday resort workers. Then again I reasoned that after all they were the tourists paying, so perhaps it could be excused that way, but my, what a shot in their own economy's foot that this is also the attitude of some HERE to the tourists that pay... I realize now I was blessed in the few requests that I have made at STM employees upon my arrival, since I did not face any more than some inertia on their part, which I attributed to them not understanding my accent in English.
With these news I expect more than one would choose not to do tourism here...So less $ in = Pas bon.
Laste year I was in Maine for one week, and there were A LOT of quebec tourists. At one breakfast place, the most obnoxious clients, while I was there, were two 50+ ladies, talking and laughing really loud. On top of that, they were rude, making impolite comments about the waiter (who seemed to be the owner). They were speaking in Fr and I am not sure if he understood them, but I felt embarrassed for them nevertheless.
DeleteBecause of this attitude from a large portion of the french population, anyone asks me when I'm on holidays, where I'm from, I say Ottawa. There are so many Quebecers that are rude to the Americans that I would never admit I live here. In Florida they insist on flying their provincial flag and stay there 6 months of the year. The Americans that live in these neighbourhoods find them extremely rude and loud even when they are dealing with each other. These very same Quebecers don't have any idea of how to be a good neighbour and take over the areas where they congregate instead of understanding that THEY ARE THE VISITORS. Again, they think they are better than everyone else. Nothing will change unless we partition this province and let those go that want to go - then the Americans will be able to pick and choose who they let visit six months a year because those that chose to go will no longer have CANADIAN PASSPORTS. LET THOSE AREAS GO THAT WANT TO GO - THE REST OF US CAN GO BACK TO A NORMAL LIFE WITHIN A BILINGUAL PROVINCE AND LIVE AND LET LIVE THE CANADIAN WAY!
ReplyDeleteI'm afraid I have to agree with S.R.'s above post on this one.
DeleteWe may have some intolerance here, and I'd even go as far as calling it racism, but I really don't think we should look at Americans as a source of inspiration. To be honest, I couldn't care less what they think about us, let them take care of their own issues before they start judging others.
I don't envy them at all, I think we (all Canadians) are much better off than anyone across the border. Them thinking of anyone else as "rude, loud and annoying" is actually quite amusing. But that's my opinion.
To me, bringing up the States in any Quebec Nationalism debate can only help the separatists. Who wants to be like the Americans? Not me.
What you're describing sounds more like a "redneck", and I can assure you that those exist everywhere, no matter the language or race. In fact, I believe the USA has their fare share of them.
Nous ne pouvons être en désaccord sur tout QOTS ;)
DeleteI've traveled to the US many times and find they are no worse or better than us in any way. They too have their problems, that's for sure, but I've always found them friendly to Canadians and they have treated me well. I also find that the french have an opinion of Americans that is always negative - much more so than you find in the ROC. Why, I don't know, but I always hear from Francophones that they hate Americans and when I ask why, they just state that they don't like them. They don't seem to know why, which is strange in itself. I always wonder if this is more a brainwashing by the press like the separatist agenda.
DeleteI havent seen that at all. I have heard many Canadians in the ROC make fun of and insult americans. I spent most of my life in the roc and believe me many Canadians regularly mock Americans as being ignorant, arrogant, loud and so on. Many Quebecois love going to visit the USA..they often rave about it. At the very least I think the attitude towards USA is pretty similar across Canada.
DeleteComplicated,si tous les Canadiens-Anglais avaient votre mentalité,nous ne serions pas confronté aux tensions actuelles.
DeleteHmmm... if more quebecers would have, say, Apparatchick's or The Cat's mentality, we would not be burdened by the current animosity. Just saying'.
DeleteThanks/merci, TS! *blush*
DeleteAll the francos I know don't feel any tensions.
DeleteWe have to move the discussion, from this falsehood that the French language is threatened here in this province, which has become an outrageous lie, and move it towards what the goal should be: a perfectly bilingual society . How about an all inclusive, tolerant and welcoming bilingual society? Enough with the extremist agenda’s of the separatists, it’s become so old and tired; they practically don’t even believe it anymore. They know what the score is and they what the truth is. The only reason they scream foul is because it has become convenient to hide behind the excuse. They can be lazy and complacent, i.e. the sign appearing in the metro booth telling you how things are in Quebec
ReplyDelete@Yannick That's a bit of an over-generalization. The only difference is that certain areas that are predominantly English would become more so, while others will still operate in French but with the occasional franglais thrown in.
DeleteBut what would be you're proposed solution to get a respectful bilingual society?
Or, for those of us who have weak French should we just throw our hands up in the air and say, "well, that's it guess I'm leaving."
I can guarantee you that once you have everyone in Quebec bilingual, you'll have a whole bunch of people who will continuously say "why bother to do anything in French? they know English perfectly well!"
DeleteHow do I know? Because people already say it, except they follow it with "... and those who don't are insulated/ignorant/racist/etc.." with the implication that they are somehow inferior human beings and therefore don't deserve the consideration of having access to services in their language.
Yannick, you're a bit late to the ball.
The same thing already happens in Quebec. I was in small claims court in Montreal earlier this week and thought of you as I watched a scene unfold before me in disgust. Two obviously anglophone elderly gentlemen (of opposing parties) who appeared ahead of me began by addressing the presiding (pure laine, fiftysomething) judge in English, only to have the judge rudely and repeatedly snap "hein?!" and ask that things be repeated, all the while talking back at them in French. This non-convergent discourse went on for about a minute before the judge casually said (in broken English, surprisingly), "English might be better for you, but French is better for me!" — without so much as prefacing it with an apology or even feigning a regretful tone. This toward the supposedly best-treated "minority" in North America whose rights are supposedly enshrined and protected by law.
So much for the justice system serving the citizens who finance it.
So much for creeping anglophone influence in our institutions which are required by law to provide service in English (in Montreal, no less!).
And you know what? I bet there will be no consequences for that presiding judge. No media will be carrying this story. And certainly no twelve-thousand dollar cans of Air Canada soda to be had here.
So yeah, Yannick, that pompously insensitive and hypocritical attitude of "it'd be a whole lot easier if you little people all just spoke MY language" seems to be as prevalent on both sides of this divide.
The root of the problem is indifference, insensitivity, and politically motivated socio-cultural impediments that keep waves of people from wading into that minority language context and bathe in those institutions until they're just as functional in one language as in another. Doing this from an early age, I argue, is better and not worse for individual development.
If constant exposure to multiple cultural and linguistic contexts works fine for most immigrant kids, it can work for those whose families have been here a while longer too. That's why I disagree with keeping the school systems rigidly separated. It's all about exposure - both early and frequent. I recognize that it's an inconvenient truth and a hard pill for "longtime Canadians" to swallow. In my judgment, that doesn't render the message less worthy of spreading, but rather only more so.
The above speaks even more as to why we have to partition this province and let those that want to live in french only have their little kingdom and the rest of us aim for a new bilingual province. It's needed and wanted by many people. We have much more in common than just language and this is a good point to start.
DeleteYou just don't get it.
DeleteA shift in mentality is what is called for, not a shift in borders.
After 40 years of dealing with these people, I've learned that a shift in mentality is not forthcoming and in fact, has changed for the worse over the past 20 years. Partition is what's needed to let those with that mentality have a little piece of Canada to claim as their own and let the rest of us move on.
DeleteSorry but the french language is under threat. Its basically being and has been wiped out in many areas of Canada. If Quebec just sits back and allows english everywhere then eventually the same will happen here. Having said that I dont like the idea of diminishing anglophones rights to protect french..as noted before it annoys me that english has to be smaller on signs. I think they should have simply said that all signs must be equally bilingual..however Yannick may have a point about people eventually stating whats the point of speaking french? Believe me I have heard many anglophones in the ROC question why anyone bothers speaking french..there is really little concern or sensitivity outside of Quebec to preserve french.
DeleteSo all in all Bill 101 is bearable for me. Running aruond stating that french is not under threat is only going to remind francophones in Quebec of the insensitivity from previous anglophone generations..ie it will not help. Partition would be great but it will only result in a huge escalation of tensions..the francophones would never accept Montreal breaking away from Quebec. Pushing partition is only a logical solution for those who want to provoke a nasty crisis..IMO this would drag on and deepen the decline of Montreal and Quebec in general with even more endless arguments and escalation tensions..deteriorating economic conditions and so on.
At this point things may be about as good as they will be for many years. The economy is very likely to weaken over the next few years due to global concerns..the housing bubble in Canada is starting to pop which will have much more serious consequences than most people think. A great deal of our economic strength over the past 4 years has been because we maintained our housing bubble longer than in the USA..we are pretty well at the same debt levels as Americans were in 2007 just before the market crashed there.
Hence anyone here who really wants to start a crisis in Quebec on language is asking for major trouble. I would suggest that anyone who is thinking of leaving Quebec should do it ASAP because it could become quite difficult to sell ones house for a decent price. The good news is that housing prices should also drop elsewhere in Canada.
Now you explain to me complicated how you're any different than SR - you're just another separatist telling me to leave my home, my culture, my life, my land to some separatist SOB who feels like pushing everyone else around because they are bullies! THIS IS MY HOME AS MUCH AS YOURS OR JRs and I'm not leaving because you/they want me to go! Let them go! PARTITION THIS DAMN PROVINCE AND THOSE THAT DON'T WANT TO LIVE UNDER THE CANADIAN CONSTITUTION WHERE EVERYONE IS EQUAL CAN GO TO HELL FOR ALL I CARE. ESCALATION OF TROUBLE IS ALREADY HERE AND IT IS ALL CAUSED BY THE SEPARATISTS IN THIS PART OF NORTH AMERICA, WHERE BY THE WAY, ENGLISH IS THE PRIMARY LANGUAGE. LET THEM LEAVE CANADA OR THIS PART OF THE WORLD AND GO TO FRANCE OR LIVE IN THE BACKWOODS OF QUEBEC WITH EACH MARRYING THEIR OWN KIND TO KEEP THEM PUR LAINE.
DeleteComplicated: "Hence anyone here who really wants to start a crisis in Quebec on language is asking for major trouble."
DeleteAnglos: You hear that PQ? Don`t start a crisis!
PQ: Oops, already started!
Cutie - I really would LOVE to see partition happen..believe me. But it is not realistic at all. Its a pipe dream..there are so many obstacles to get through before even getting to the point of talking about partition. Lets first of all see when the next referendum will be..it could be in 10 year!!! And it could easily fail like the previous two..so whats the point.
DeleteRight here right now the main issue is dealing with the PQ and the negative impacts they will have on the economy and on anglo franco relations. The goal should be to get rid of the PQ..talking about partition is counter productive..the only purpose it will serve now is to annoy many francophones. How does that help our cause?? You are just too much an idealist cutie..I admire your passion and conviction but partition is not even worth talking about now.
complicated,
DeleteThe Editor's link to the article regarding Nunavik in northern Quebec reminds me of an experience I had while on a fishing trip to the region. I encountered a bigwig from the Parti Quebecois who had held many cabinet positions when it was in power. One of his responsibilities had been native affairs (ministre responsable des affaires autochtones). He told me that the limited autonomy of the Inuit people in Nunavik was a "comedy". Talk about being insensitive. I felt like telling him that Quebec as a whole was a "comedy" but I was too polite at the time.
If the Quebecois are so concerned about protecting so-called endangered languages like French, why haven't they taken any measures whatsoever to protect aboriginal languages in Quebec, which are really threatened?
My mother is franco and my father is anglo. They grew up in Montreal in the big bad old 1930s, 1940s and 1950s entirely in French and English, respectively. And yet, they both had access to similar education and to similar job opportunities (in fact, that’s how they met). They were married in the 1960s even though neither one spoke the language of the other when they got married. How could this possibly happen if there was so much language tension at the time? I never really understood what these great injustices are that people talk about as I grew up since we certainly didn’t witness them in our family. However, I do remember that as bilingual little kids, should ever my siblings or I step onto the neighbours’ property, they would sweep us off their lawns with a broom saying “Va-t-en, maudit anglais !”. Needless to say, my parents decided to move to a more congenial neighbourhood than that. Like a great number of franco-Quebecers, my franco family (parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, nephews, nieces) all despise péquistes who have chosen to create this wedge in society, all in the name of their insecurity and vengefulness.
DeleteComplicated: Please explain what makes you think that partition is any more of a pipe dream than separation is because I just don’t understand your reasoning.
DeleteVous admettrez qu'avec le dernier référendum (50/50) la souveraineté de notre pays,le Québec est loin d'être un fantasme irréalisable telle que la partition de notre métropole.
Delete... tout comme l'est l'extermination imminente de votre (et je pèse bien mon mot) peuple par voie d'assimilation, d'ailleurs?
DeleteÀ 32, voire 28 pourcent, êtes-vous vraiment en position de donner des leçons de respect pour la démocratie à une écrasante majorité de Montréalais et de Québécois qui n'en veulent pas de votre "option", dont les appuis sont en chute libre depuis plus d'une décennie, et ce malgré vos efforts impressionnants de provocation populistes?
Ou encore souscrivez-vous toujours, comme tout militant séparatiste dogmatiste, aux grands idéaux de justice et de paix sociale uniquement lorsqu'ils vous avantagent?
L'MMF organise une manif éclair contre le tribunal de l'immigration pour "l'imposition" de l'anglais. Vous la soutenez?
Par contre, si jamais on organisait une manif contre le juge aux petites créances que j'ai décrit plus haut, la soutiendriez-vous? Même si je crois connaitre déjà la réponse, je vous laisse commenter.
Tout manque éhonté de symétrie devrait vous dégoûter, si vous êtes réellement à la hauteur de vos propres idéaux "humanistes". À moins, bien sûr, de croire que des humains francophones méritent mieux que d'autres, comme vous le reprochez à certains commentateurs même ici.
Look at that! Once again, no reply to Apparatchik's intelligent rebuttal. It's so much easier to pop in with a one-liner than to explain oneself cogently, isn't it?
DeleteYep, another good show from the person who wants to ruin Quebec...
Hey, that's how these politicians make BIG $=Do you think most of them are qualified to do much else? Why not get paid to shit=disturb? It's disgusting but you're right - we should be working toward a bilingual society and the ones that don't want that HAVE TO GO - PARTITION PARTY PLEASE - WE WANT OUT!
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ReplyDeleteLet it go Cutie. There's no use talking to Complicated it only irritates. We have all pointed out there was no problem before bill 101 but he still goes on blaming the english of past generations for the trouble. We have worked hard, we have created a democracy which they took over and made into a mockeracy. We have been kind to francos and tried to help elevate them but the only thing in his mind is a myth that we treated french people bad. I'm sick of this sniveling sycophant. SR at least has the courage to stick to one side or the other. Ed
"We have all pointed out there was no problem before bill 101..."
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Ed - Sorry but you are part of the problem. If you cant even admit to the wrongdoings against the french in the past then there is no way you can be part of the solution. Your views of the past are from the anglo perspective..if you talk to francophones they will give a very different view from you. Do you really believe a seperation movement that has resulted in two referendums was not born from past injustice? Its easy to assume that francophones were happy in the past when you werent walking in their shoes.
DeleteDear complicated,
DeleteIt is not often that a single comment inspires me to write a blog piece, but your comment about francophones being abused by the big bad English is a myth that begs a rebuttal.
Watch or it soon.
Ok will be watching for it. I would like to see some acknowledgment from the anglophone community of the previous injustices against the francophone community. Its pretty common knowledge that many francophones more or less had to work in english and were refused service in english. Does it mean it always happened..no but it happened much more often than it should have. Does it mean that all anglophones were rich in the past and all francophones were poor..no but in general the anglos had way more opportunity because of their power at the time.
DeleteNo argument between two sides is one sided..I agree that now the pendulum has swung too far to the other side and its now the francophones who are often more unreasonable. But in the past the anglophone community often trampled on the rights of francophones.
I'm not old enough to know how it was back then first hand, but from everything I've learned and heard (from both sides), it seems like if complicated is somewhat correct. According to what I know, I don't think things were quite fair for the french people in this province before the Quiet Revolution.
DeleteBlaming that entirely on the english seems equally untrue; it seems to me that the catholic church is what really held the people back, and the (protestant) english only too advantage of it.
But hey, what do I know.
complicated has stated that he is an Anglophone but I don't think that's entirely true. Some of his comments have indicated that he has Francophone family members as well, so that could be influencing his opinions.
DeleteEnglish was clearly my first language..I didnt really learn french properly until I was well into my twenties. But I have close family members who are francophone. So I have heard both sides of the story which I think gives me a unique perspective. You make it sound like I have been contaminated or something because I have francophones influencing me..heaven forbid!
DeleteOnce again if this forum only becomes a place for anglos to bash the PQ and even francophones then IMO it will serve no useful purpose other than to allow some angry anglos to vent. You need to understand the other side..why there are still so many francophones who want to seperate..hence you need to understand what happened in the past and accept the role of anglophones during those times. It makes it a lot easier to come up with solutions for today.
FROM ED BROWN
ReplyDeleteI'm for partition if it's possible but think there
is work to do first. Mr.Sauga has given us all an opening we can work on. Download the email addresses and links he gave us at the top of the page. Copy and paste articles which would attract attention in the ROC and US. If we all start sendong letters instead of just talking eventually it will embarrass Harper into taking some action.
CNN often reads emails from Canada on subjects like freedom. We should send a copy of each one to the government to let them know we have had enough. We are taking action. Ed
Yes Ed - for a day or two there he almost had me convinced that he had common sense. That ended today.
ReplyDeleteHere`s another story to remind us of what is becoming of us and why, as if we need reminding:
ReplyDeleteAs Quebec decays, Toronto seizes greatness
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/10/06/conrad-black-as-quebec-decays-toronto-seizes-greatness/
too many Uncle Toms on this blog today..... I couldn't careless how French Canadians were treated in the past... I only care about my civil liberties Today in 2012.....
ReplyDelete"I only care about my civil liberties Today in 2012"
DeleteJe vous conseille de prendre la 401 "asap" car les tensions ne risquent pas de diminuer demain.
you move ....
DeleteVous l'aurez voulu...
DeleteBonne chance avec "vos droits".
Merci, c'est tellement gentil de ta part !
DeleteThat's what I say too Land of Tazmandoo - It's here and now - let's talk about our rights of today and tomorrow - not yesterday.
ReplyDeleteThank you Mr. Sauga for the e-mail addresses. A couple to add here in Canada: Stephen Harper: pm@pm.gc.ca - Quebec Office of the English Language: oqla.org I will try to find out the one for Graham Fraser, the Commissioner of Official Languages. If someone else knows it, please provide. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteTake a look at the Imperatif Francis website once in awhile - they are out to kill us and usually have ammunition that we can use against them to show how bigoted and prejudiced they are against the anglos and allows. They certainly don't give a rat's ass about our feelings or the fact that they are living on Canadian soil. They are much much more aggressive than we are and that has to change because they are gaining ground with their bigotry and we are losing. Start putting the pressure on anywhere you can and LET'S GET A PARTITION PARTY GOING TO GET RID OF THOSE LOSERS INTO SOME SMALL AREA WHERE THEY CAN TALK ONLY TO ONE ANOTHER!
ReplyDeleteI know it's hard Land but try to ignore the troll as most of us do on the whole - he'll just piss you off no end.
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DeleteI love how this guy keeps telling everyone to take the 401. I got news for you buddy, people will take the 401 when and if they feel like it; if it ever even happens that they do. It certainly won’t be the likes of you, you little starving nobody, to tell anyone to take a hike. You may be under the illusion that you run things, but wake up, pick up a newspaper, listen to the news; you’ll discover that those running things and pulling the strings may very well tell you to take a hike one day. And another thing, it’s time you let go of this ‘wound’ you carry around like a cross to remind everyone of the ‘wrongs’ that were perpetrated against you prior Quiet R. this blessed sense of injury you keep reminding everyone about and that you’ve had to endure for centuries. Entire races of people were enslaved since the beginning of time, and have had to overcome being victims. No one condones the injustice, but history will tell you that they rose, triumphed, survived and even flourished. It’s time this province borrows a page from that chapter. Holding on the offences of past hasn’t gotten it anywhere. It has rendered it immobile and stunted, with no hope of a future. Let’s GROW THE F. UP.
DeleteHis fixation on fleeing down the 401 is downright bizarre. He’s displayed this obsession with it for so many years now that he must make love to the 401 in his dreams. The Editor is right in finally saying that it’s important to highlight this blinkered worldview that seppies have.
DeleteI’m certainly never going to move anyplace on account of nincompoops such as this. His mentality (such as it is) is that if we keep telling him to take the 175 to Chicoutimi or the 132 to Matane over and over, he’s eventually going to move. Freakish!
Vous me semblez très malheureux ici et je ne vois pas votre avenir s'améliorer à moyen ou à long terme,au contraire,alors ce n'était qu'une proposition.En réalité,vous pouvez prendre la route que vous voulez,même celle de la confrontation.
DeleteEn passant Editor,vous laissez passer les "anonymous" maintenant?
DeleteCoucou, kiki! As for me, I'm perfectly happy here. You even make me laugh! Héhé !
Delete"His fixation on fleeing down the 401 is downright bizarre."
DeleteVous croyez?Nous évaluons le nombre de vos compatriotes qui auraient pris la 401 vers l'Ouest à environs 300 000 depuis 1976,alors vous ne seriez pas le premier et sans doute pas le dernier à embrasser cette "bizarre" d'avenue.Nous sommes dans le concret ici,rien d'étrange,sauf peut-être,votre perception de ce phénomène.
Unlike you, the rest of us have the liberty to move all over the world if we wish... or stay right here at home as we've done for generations. We're not trapped like lobsters, we're free! Héhé !
DeleteCe n'est pourtant pas l'impression que vous dégagez.Vous nous semblez plutôt coincés,non?
DeleteFATAL ERROR #1: RESPONDING TO S.R.! I've endured S.R.'s wise cracks, and it's really very simple to ignore them. Best thing to do, no matter how many take the 401 and doughnuts for Mississaugans cracks he makes. If you respond to his remarks, you fuel the fire.
DeleteEditor has stated quite clearly that, unlike rabid separatist blogs, like vigile, he will not block. I sent him a private e-mail because I felt the costs of these antagonizing remarks exceed the benefits. We have lost some valuable contributors who add thoughtful, cogent points. I'm disillusioned of the decision, but I simply ignore his remarks. What S.R. writes is repetitive and predictable. I shrug my shoulders and move to the next contributor's comments. Don't waste your valuable time reading S.R.'s mostly trashy drivel.
I completely agree with the premise of ignoring trolls and also that this blog has lost valuable contributors on account of the Editor's permitting such. However, it has been amply demonstrated by now that S.R is not your garden-variety troll but a pathological troll. As such, he does not respond to normal troll-avoidance mechanisms. The Editor has also decided that’s it’s important to exhibit this seppie mentality that is determined to ruin Quebec. Thus, since S.R wants to parade himself around this blog regardless of what people do or do not do in response, I simply think there should at least be an equal number of Maple Leaves and Fleurs-de-lys present on the record, of course not expecting any intelligent replies from him.
DeleteA S.R
Delete"En passant Editor,vous laissez passer les "anonymous" maintenant?
You know, I also have a life away from this blog.
This evening I went out for dinner with family to celebrate a birthday and left behind my smartphone, on purpose....for a break.
I AM NOT A PROFESSIONAL!!!
I cannot or will not accept responsibility to offer 24/7 moderation.
I do my best so stop bitching.
Huzzah to the Editor! You are doing a bang-on job of running this blog. I stand in awe! Much gratitude to you.
Delete"I simply think there should at least be an equal number of Maple Leaves and Fleurs-de-lys present on the record"
DeleteEn plus de copier mon pseudo(inversé),vous volez mon idée de drapeau.Admirable originalité canadienne comme toujours.Je me demande parfois si les Québécois et les américains n'existaient pas,à quoi ressemblerait le canada.
En passant la feuille d'érable est le premier drapeau des Québécois (pemiers Canadiens).Nous avons utilisé la fleur de lys suite au vol de notre symbole d'origine par las canayens-angla.Encore bravo!
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DeleteExactly, Yannick! But there remain a very few prolific posters like this one who won’t listen to you because they have their fingers in their ears while repeating “La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la”. For this, we should have so much turmoil... it's shocking.
DeleteOu devrais-je dire bravo, Yannick, pour ta réponse intelligente. Tu as une bonne tête sur les épaules, contrairement à… bof ! Doit-on réellement le dire ?
Deletelisez bien votre histoire du Canada:
ReplyDeleteAvant 1840, les Canadiens (français par définition) formaient 74% de la population du Pays. Lors du décret royal de 1867, les Canadiens formaient plus de 60%.
Lors du rapatriement de la confédération (sans l'accord du Québec) les Québécois formaient 31% du Canada.
Aujourd'hui, nous ne sommes plus que 28%
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DeleteTake note of the lack of citations and the made-up facts...
DeleteVous me semblez relativement intelligent,assez pour être en mesure de vérifier ces chiffres.Sinon,je peux vous fournir quelques liens pour les références.
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DeleteThank you, Yannick, for corroborating that S.R's information is imaginary. To think that people such as this are trying to ruin the country, it's just pathetic...
Delete*Les Canadiens-anglais formaient plus de 60% en 1867.
DeleteYou see? Completely unsubstantiated and imaginary information! People like this merit no respect whatsoever.
DeleteI'd like to know how he comes up with his numbers... of course, that is only if he wishes for anyone to take him remotely seriously...
DeleteAnd, quelle surprise, no reply about the source his made-up information, even after stating he will provide it. Much easier to drop one-liners than to explain oneself cogently, isn't it?
DeleteIf S.R was right, it only showed how pathetic the francophones were. How could the 74% be beaten by the 24%?
DeleteJust a minor correction to the excellent piece by Stephen Jarislowsky. "Schwyzerdütsch" or Swiss-German is not an official language of Switzerland. It is a group of spoken dialects of German which varies a great deal from one part of Switzerland to another. It can be difficult even for native speakers of German unfamiliar with this dialect to understand. (On the other hand, Germans who live near Switzerland speak a similar dialect and usually don't have problems speaking with their neighbours.) What is an official language of Switzerland is "hochdeutsch", known in English as High German or standard German. Every Swiss from the German-speaking areas of Switzerland is taught this in schools and it is basically the same German written in Berlin, Vienna, and Zurich. Swiss may not like speaking standard German, but they can definitely write it. For more information, here is the Wikipedia article:
ReplyDeleteAlemmanic German
If "Alemmanic" looks familiar, it's where the French word "Allemagne" comes from.
If anybody wants to learn more about Switzerland, I suggest visiting this forum and politely asking questions.
English Forum of Switzerland
Yannick, you've often told us that whatever happens in France is irrelevant to our situation here in Canada so I don't understand your sudden interest in what happens in Switzerland.
DeleteThe Swiss model applied coast to coast would spell the end of the OLA. The OLA is a product of the Canadian model (where besides demography we recognize history). The Swiss model is a cold bureaucratic model where the language of the political center is passed down to every sub-level. Yet Yannick comes here from time to time to plug and defend the OLA, on other days he's here plugging the Swiss model. Maybe he wants the Swiss model for QC only, and the Canadian model for the rest of the country. That would be real convenient.
DeleteAdd to that the practical consideration - the Swiss model is easier to maintain in linguistically divided cantons with little if any cross-over. In QC, where the major metropolis has a large English element (unofficial and unwanted it may be, but it's there), the imposition of the Swiss model would lack the "naturalness" that it enjoys in Switzerland. In QC, it would have a massive social engineering feel to it, with possible displacements of the population like in the 1970's. But maybe that is the goal of it all.
FROM ED BROWN
ReplyDeleteMr. Sauga, I'm afraid it's useless. So many can't resist answering SR. If they do get it, there's always new people coming on. I do as you. I simply don't read anything he writes. I find complicated more annoying. In spite of what the editor and others have said he still blames english for creating bad feelings in spite of the fact that he wasn't there and knows nothing about it. He even accuses me of lying, saying that I know better and won't admit it. I swear if he said that to my face I would drive his nose out the back of his head. No one calls me a liar and walks away. Ed
Ed, that's the beauty or drawback of the internet and blogs, depending how you interpret it. I think you see it as the latter. Be that as it may, physical violence makes you the weaker. I, too, have had things said about me that are inappropriate, but you've pretty much given away your approximate age, so use your years to keep your skin thick. If you can't, you may have to withdraw from this blog, and I hope you won't. You are one of the contributors who brings us thoughtful and cogent points to the table, plus a lot of incite from the pre-Quiet Revolution era. I'm old enough to recall just the tail-end of the "good ol' days"!
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