If you haven't heard, the student leaders and the student associations are to be subject to massive fines should they engage in what will be illegal demonstrations.
If the students ignore the law, the student associations will disappear and have their bank accounts emptied.
The student leaders were deeply shook up and on the verge of tears as they reacted to terms of the law.
They bravely said that they would fight the law in court, but I'd advise them not to hold their breath.
The entire Quebec judiciary has been humiliated by the students ignoring the dozens of injunctions and judges are notorious for dishing out payback.
By the way the leaders of the student associations, themselves are going to be held responsible for the actions of the demonstrators.
This is just a first reaction, but what say you?
The events of the last 14 weeks are typical of Quebec in recent decades:
ReplyDeletea tyrannical minority ignores the law and the basic tenets of democracy (anybody heard of Bill 101?) to push its agenda of nationalistic entitlement onto the law-abiding majority.
What kind of society does Quebec wish to be: law-abiding and open to the world or a place where anarchy and isolationism rule?
We must also note that these are the bully children of the pure laine, that is, the legacy of the Parti Québécois, which prepared a generation to be coddled by a nanny "nation" rather than to be active participants in industry and the workplace.
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DeleteSeul un mohawk peut attacher une telle importance à la qualité de la laine des Québécois.Je me trompe?
DeleteNo Anon everyone outside looking in can see Quebec degrading. Quebecois don't give a shit about the Mohawk last I looked. The same terrorist French Quebecois were heaving rocks at women and children!
DeleteThumbs up for Charest's admin finally showing some chutzpah. This shoulda come down 90 days ago but better late than never.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that it elicits howls from the people currently whining is encouraging enough.
Available here:
http://www.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Politique/2012/05/17/003-conflit-etudiant-loi-speciale-debats.shtml
Apparatchik: It's best to pile up the sandbags BEFORE the flood waters come than having to conduct an exercise in futility like bailing the flood with a bucket. The damage has been long done. The words Charest and chutzpah absolutely do not belong in the same sentence! Premier John James "Goldilocks" Charest has NO backbone and equally NO gonads whatsoever.
DeletePremier John James "Goldilocks" Charest is simply biding his time, holding off until December 2013 when he'll have 15 years as premier to feather his nest with the biggest pension benefits available to a Quebec politician.
Assuming Premier John James "Goldilocks" Charest holds off until the end of 2013, he'll be getting about 70% of the maximum 75% of his MP Cabinet Minister's salary PLUS his full 75% of his premier's salary the day after leaving office assuming he'll quit his post after defeat. He'll make about $300,000 per year, courtesy of the taxpayer, sitting on his ass! Any monies he makes above that, such as doing a political TV show, being a keynote speaker, a partnership in a law firm with his name on the letterhead, or all of the above, will be gravy. The politicians who last long enough in office end up on Easy Street, just like Gilles Duceppe.
No, Apparatchik, NO! NO laurels, NO accolades, NO faint praise for Premier John James "Goldilocks" Charest! NADA!
Mr. Sauga, I'm surprised at your response to Apparatchik's post. Sure, JC isn't the greatest leader ever (far from it), but I don't think that's what Apparatchik was saying. I took it more as Apparatchik applauding a policy decision made by Charest, which is very different from applauding the man himself. Even monkeys hit the bullseye once in awhile, and should be applauded for doing so.
Deletemdblog: Understood; however, my rant is directed more at Premier John James "Goldilocks" Charest's lack of conviction as opposed to Apparatchik's post. As you wrote at the end "even monkeys hit the bullseye once in awhile" proves it's more a coincidence of probability as opposed to a wise and timely management decision.
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DeleteHow could Charest have seriously piled up the sandbags before the protests started, in your metaphor? Backing down on the tuition increase?
mdblog understood my point much better than you did; love him or hate him as premier, the Charest government needed to do this, and in my opinion should have done so sooner. If anything, the fact that he let it drag on as long as he did was to let the requisite media-theatrical actors gain the steam required to show what would happen if the government didn't intervene in this way. Injuncting nurses and teachers back to work is fine and nobody protests massively with red squares for a hundred days on account of (a) they provide essential services and (b) they were starting to annoy the government. Telling students to get the fuck back to class prompts monumental protests with every lefty no-name/made-up splinter group to come out of the woodwork? These same protesters and their ultra-lefty and separatist allies then start chanting about how the rioting is justified? I don't know about you, but even if this were a PQ government, we would all be saying that the reaction elicited by the protest front is way out of proportion with the (comparatively) minimally impairing measure they're supposedly protesting against. All things considered, something's very wrong with the proportions here.
The words Charest and chutzpah absolutely do not belong in the same sentence!
That's where you're wrong. The man is ballsy enough to wage a multi-front battle against the well-funded and well-connected opposition groups whose frustration and fear is about their no longer being able to ride the gravy train. I don't agree with everything the Liberal Party does but when you look at the alternatives, we ought to be thanking our lucky stars.
Premier John James "Goldilocks" Charest has NO backbone and equally NO gonads whatsoever.
This from the guy in the peanut gallery who just wants a repeal of the French Language Charter with no regard to the day-to-day running of this province. Who does Mississauga Guy really think is a better candidate to lead Quebec? Enumerate and explain your decisions and I'll listen.
Assuming Premier John James "Goldilocks" Charest holds off until the end of 2013, he'll [...] make about $300,000 per year, courtesy of the taxpayer, sitting on his ass! [...] The politicians who last long enough in office end up on Easy Street, just like Gilles Duceppe.
It amuses me that as an admittedly pro-Canada extremist you would find this reprehensible while huge numbersof separatist current and former Bloquistes and others (other than just Duceppe) will also be receiving glittery pensions with all the fixings.
NO laurels, NO accolades, NO faint praise for Premier John James "Goldilocks" Charest! NADA!
I disagree. I can't help but think what this last decade would have been like for our economy and political stability had Landry or Marois (or worse) been at the helm.
Close down UQAM and the peace will come.
ReplyDeleteyeah it should be completely demolished in million of pieces and removed from the site in order to set place for something that has a real purpose and would generate innovations
DeleteLove your title. Here's a message from the people who pay for you to be educated: Punt your butts back to the book! The whole country is going to turn off the tap of funds deleting any options for you to ever achieve a career on someone else dime.
ReplyDeleteWe don't care about students unions that mandate this absolute rain of terror you have wrought on students who do not share your rage and innocent residents AND visitors to the city of Montreal.
If this is how you effect positive change in YOUR kind of Democracy you best hit the Library, preferably an English one that has the history of Queen Elizabeth's work to civilize our world.
Without Canada being a child of England you'd be begging on the streets in a pile of your own shit!
Les libéraux dérapent:
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ReplyDeleteplusieurs militants libéraux et caquistes déchirent leurs cartes de membre!
The modern political existence of Quebec was birthed by the threat of violence and terrorism in the 60s and 70s. It has continued as a quasi fascist enclave since then, suspending the rights and even democracy for its minorities. Not really surprised at all that this would happen. Coercion has been the operative word for Quebecois politics for decades, whether it's levelled against the ROC or those of us that have the misfortune of living here in these times. I have to admit though. The present situation presents a great view for me. Even if this impacts all students, those of us born to immigrant parents who have come here and worked their asses off will still find a way to pay for our education. I think this is hurting the Francophone community more than us. As it stands, Fancophones are shoe ins for most employment opportunities in the province, especially in the public sector. Less students in French universities = less fascist, radical seperatists in positions of influence and maybe, more employment opportunities for the rest of us, the disenfranchised pariahs of Canada. I hope they hike tuition costs again and again. I'll have my feet up on the balcony with a beer watching them all beat the snot out of each other on the streets of Montreal. Unilingual SQ cops and Franco-first activists going at each other. Excellent!!!!!
ReplyDeleteWrong, Anonymous, WRONG-O! Bill 101, that Great Charter of Charters that is praised by those who chant Gens du Pays had its raison d'être to do EXACTLY the opposite of what you're dreaming. It is IN YOUR DREAMS that their collective lack of education will lead to this advantage you envision.
DeleteBill 101 was their equalizer, and if conditions present themselves the way you envision, they'll cut it off at the pass--AGAIN! Bill 101, that Great Charter of Charters ensured their «pur laine» kind come first, even though Quebec's economy has shrunk over the decades compared to the rest of Canada and most civilized nations. As long as they have the lion's share of a smaller economy than the minorities, as long as oppressive, fascist laws give them the upper hand, it is that concept that quenches their thirst for revenge against those who had the upper hand on THEM before the Quiet Revolution started and led to their new bible, Bill 101. It is THEY who have those plum Civil Service jobs, not you.
Sorry to be your dream killer, but I believe I have written the ughly truth.
Quebec's government is under tremendous pressure from the rest of the Dominion.
DeleteThese Quebecois protester's groomed from birth, that the law's for the rest of Canada are not those of Quebec.
"STUDENT'S! YOU DIDN'T THINK AHEAD OF YOURSELVES. Your going to have to tell this story over and over how you ruined the very culture you were born to protect. Bill 101 is melting thanks to you. Thanks to your efforts, the whole world sees that 101 has birthed a generation of fucked up French Canadian terrorists!" YOUR GROUNDED!
The law to get permission to protest in advance is a common law for most cities in Canada. It is due diligence to protect from liability for the municipality the protest is in.
These protests have shown the rest of the world, Quebec is a lawless mess. "There is no way back students, you have not only highlighted your ignorance to Canadian democratic structure, you have highlighted the malpractice of the Municipal and Political parties that have governed Quebec by nurturing your self centred ignorance."
Is it a conspiracy theory that: While you've been screaming away the Criminal Contractors of Montreal accused of fraud have been smiling away as you took the heat off their crimes of mass corruption? PAWNS! Effen Unions such players!
Let the smack down begin, It starts slowly the reinstatement of democracy...when it starts rolling it zips up all holes. By-laws, all bodies in a democracy must follow for a peaceful province your municipality enforces them. NOT!
The municipal structure has so much to answer for, thanks to you In 10 years Montreal will have her big girl pants on.
The province will demand it! The province answers to HARPER effen jesus a total Zipped up fucktard!
I love Quebec I love all the sweet places and the joy I feel at the memories of growing up there.
She made me who I am.
101 was our separation, I have paid constant attention from afar waiting for a time when I can come back to live safe and free
The past few years the volley's of hate from this terrorist Quebecois .... This was my home, I'm hurt more deeply in a dark jewish kinda way, I take it personal that they hate the very existence of me.
Quebecer's who want a unified Quebec please start parading to show the world that it really is so because observers around the world don't believe it.
Me a victim of 101, I see Quebec as a Huge mother fucken sleeper cell of Evil French Hater's willing to do anything for a logic only they know.
Peace and Love
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DeleteSorry, pal, but the Quebec of "old" is long, long gone. I too felt victimized by that Great Charter of Charters, Bill 101, but that society is just using a ratchet to continually tighten the screws on those not of their own kind. Like in all societies where there is economic frustration, the little Adolf Hitler in the frustrated collective rises to the surface. The Greeks actually elected a number of these rabid racist fascists in the recent election, and with another looming, I have an uneasy feeling even more of them will be elected.
DeleteDo remember Hitler came to power legally by a down and defeated society. Hyperinflation ate their wealth after the reparations of the Treaty of Versailles were (deservedly) inflicted upon them due to the damages they caused during WWI. When people feel defeated and frustrated, they look for scapegoats and politicians whoring for votes will appeal to the fear and evil within people for no other reason than give them other people upon whom they can take out their frustrations and resentments.
Randy Cunneyworth, the temporary coach of the Habs, was EXACTLY that: A scapegoat. He was almost immediately thrown under the bus by the mouse that hired him, Molson!
You can't go home again. Quebec will not return to the Quebec you remember several decades ago, probably ever, but certainly not in the lifetime of babies being born as I write.
The habit of the french to never admit fault in they're culture is leading to the demise of the province
DeleteMister Sauga, even though you have unveiled the mask of the ugly truth, I just hope you are wrong on this one
DeleteQuasi-fascist enclave - must. be a typo. Surely you meant fascist enclave.
DeleteAnd let's not forget, part two of all this will be even better. The Liberals are bound to collapse opening the door for the even more corrupt and inefficient French uber alles parties and they will no doubt drive the economy of the province deeper under ground than it's ever been. While their electorate is living it up during St Jean celebrations of victory in a cloud of pot smoke and the untold buckets of beer to celebrate their elections, Quebec will be on the solid march to being the North American equivalent to the Greek economy. Come on now, this is fucking perfect!
ReplyDelete"Quebec will be on the solid march to being the North American equivalent to the Greek economy. Come on now, this is fucking perfect!"
DeleteThe problem is that they might drag down the rest of Canada with them. They have been nothing more than an anchor around the neck of the ROC for decades, damaging the reputation and the economy of the entire country with their fascist language laws and threats of separation.
We have to get Quebec out of Canada and the sooner the better. It's high time for a referendum in the other Canadian provinces regarding the expulsion of Quebec from confederation.
Same problem as the separatists, only from the other direction.
DeleteI'd be interested to see how you can use existing legislation (which expressly forbids unilateral declarations of independence and corresponding boundary changes without the agreement of the federal and provincial entities directly involved) to achieve this goal.
Well it wouldn't really be a unilateral declaration of independence since the area would not be leaving Canada. Quebec's status within Canada violates the rights guaranteed by the Charter to all Canadians. We can hold our own referendum. It's legality is irrelevant at this point. If Francophone Quebec can try to pursue this course, then so can we. The point is that if we can achieve a winning referendum we cease to be a political non entity in the province and an invisible population to the rest of Canada. They won't be able to sweep us under the rug any more. Quebec will be forced to deal with 101 and so will the rest of Canada. There is no other option. We have to escalate this to a level of political conflict and break the silence. We need to be heard and we need to find a voice. Win a referendum and block the bridges coming into the island. Are they going to arrest us all? Win it and make the unilateral declaration and let Quebec put its money where its mouth is. The longer we remain passive and silent, the easier it is for our politicians to seek easy ways out and tie us up in decade long supreme court cases that go nowhere. Our children, and those who come after them will be as disenfranchised as we are or possibly worse off by miles.
DeleteAnd if this sounds extreme or unthinkable to some of you, ask yourselves what is more unthinkable - that you have zero political representation and a wasted vote for close to half a century, or that you do nothing about it and keep lying to yourselves about living in a democratic and equitable society? We've lived with bowed heads while tongue troopers march around us with measuring tape fining us for speaking our language. We acquiesced time and again. They shut down our schools and seek to forcibly assimilate us. When we don't comply they chant 'take the 401' and seek to drive us from our homes. If you will not fight this, then there's nothing you will fight for. Stand up already, and make yourselves heard. Fuck the jeunes patriotes, and fuck the st jean society, and fuck bill 101 and the racists that threaten our lives when we try to demonstrate and brow beat us at every available opportunity. FIGHT!!!!
DeleteMarching in the streets is so 1970's what a waste of time! Hit them with the law demand the municipalities follow Canadian law and feds follow our laws for democracy. Start calling all your MLA's and municipal leaders light a fire under them threatening them with court if they don't apply the laws protecting your right to PEACE. The way to affect true change is by playing the rules against the blackmailers and covert separatists hiding in your politic structure in Quebec. Call friggin Ottawa tell them you are being terrorized and threatened in Canada send help now. Harper loves Quebec looking like shit accuse them all of a conspiracy to smear Quebec as an entire province by lack of engagement and Marshal law. Show these mice what English justice looks like
DeleteOr Join Les Montréalais who say “We are not Québécois. Nous Somme Montréalais!”
DeleteThe PROVINCE DE MONTRÉAL Movement represents the will and sentiment of more than a million Montrealers already. It is a movement about the will of French Canadians Wanting to remain Canadian along side, and with our English and ethnic Brothers.
The legal mechanism for the 11th or 12th Canadian Province is in place and it is not treason to ask from Our Country, Canada and from The Governor General permission and affirmation of such.
VIVE LA PROVINCE CANADIENNE DE MONTREAL!!
About time that Charest and Co. finally had the fortitude to step on these spoiled little brats with their high sense of entitlement.
ReplyDeleteSee my reply to Apparatchik above, and read my subsequent qualification of what I wrote below that.
Delete"Quebec will be on the solid march to being the North American equivalent to the Greek economy. Come on now, this is fucking perfect!"
ReplyDeleteNot much of a march...just a few steps. At 200 plus billion in debt Quebec is about to fall off the wall. Maybe Jean Francois Lisee can put "humpty" together again. Yeah, right. :) Hey, your right, this is perfect. Maybe the striking students could get a job pumping gas or serving "poutine a la Tim's" in Ft. Mac.
On another issue I see Muclair is making disparaging comments about the three western premiers. This should be interesting to say the least. Of course, what can one expect, from a politician from Quebec.
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DeleteRe Thomas Mulcair: He was the MNA in my old constituency that I moved out of ten years before he was elected, so I actually have gotten to know a lot about his character.
DeleteHe is an opportunist with the temper of a killer bee, and the next election is likely going to be a battle between East and West. Think about it: (1) There is now a balance in the size of the population in Quebec and the Atlantic Provinces, and the Western Provinces. Ontario, with almost 40% of the population, is the balance of power; (2) The bedrock of Harper and the Conservatives is the Western Provinces, esp. Alberta and the bedrock of Mulcair is esp. Quebec, but also the Atlantic Provinces.
This is where the Liberals can improve their fortunes if AND ONLY IF they correctly and prudently revitalize their image, and no, Justin Trudeau isn't it. He's an even cockier bastard than his father was notwithstanding Chrétien's hand being in his pocket. I digress. Let them find someone who especially appeals to Ontarians, and they can win it all, albeit a likely minority government, but who knows.
My preference is the tug of war between East and West because Quebec will lose. Remember the "Golden Rule": He who owns the gold, makes the rules. Right now that belongs in the West, and I'm sure they're fed up with Quebec's tantrums and endless antics. As a loyal Ontarian, I know I am, yet ah was borned and raised in Kwee-bec!
In your east-west divide to screw over Quebec, you forget the potential for a Quebec separatist-Alberta conservative alliance. Granted, Harper tried this early on but gave up after the love he professed for our dear nation québécoise was unrequited at the ballot box. It might be next to impossible for him to successfully try this again for now (NDP doing the separatists' bidding by behaving like Bloc Lite and no Constitutional talks in sight), but maybe within a generation this scenario might once again become "du jour" and realistic.
DeleteConsidering the support for separatism and our socialist tendencies are slated for transformative change in the next decade or so, I'd think revisiting this potential scenario thereafter isn't as far-fetched as some might think it today.
Paul Bielec,
ReplyDeleteClose down UQAM? Are you nuts? Who will serve me my cheesecake and espresso at Brulerie St.Denis if we close down UQAM?
Mr. Marco,
DeleteGet your cheesecake at Broadway Cheesecake on President Kennedy & University. With the exception of the high-end restaurants, the best in town, I think.
Charest serait donc un amateur de Poutine:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.liberation.fr/depeches/2012/05/18/russie-examen-reporte-d-une-loi-renforcant-la-sanction-des-manifestants_819643
Ah Non! take a look in the mirror
DeleteI tend to agree with Mr. Sauga. The status quo in Quebec is too far entrenched and too radicalized. Change can only be brought about through decades of slow progress or conflict. The only solution, as I see it, is for the anglophone and allophone communities within and around the island to begin taking steps for political separation from the province of Quebec. We need to make our voices heard beyond this blog. The federal government will be happy to sweep us under the rug for the sake of political expediency and the ROC, in large part, either think that we don't exist at all in this province, or they are clueless as to what type of political and social system they are supporting financially over here. We need to organize, collect signatures, demonstrate, and take ALL the necessary steps that will make Canada stand up and take notice. We need to bring this to a boiling point where the docile sheep media will cover the real situation in Quebec and give the democratic element of this country the opportunity to stand up against a rogue and racist system most don't even know exists. There will never be a political solution offered by any Quebec politician, including Charest.
ReplyDeleteParizeau said we are the ethnic vote and the money in and around Montreal. Well let's see if it's true. Let's use this strength to free ourselves from a ghetto existence as second class citizens/scapegoats.
You got it! Quit the fear stand up and let the world know you are a Canadian for goodness sakes with all the protections in the Constitution of CANADA. The deficit will be mindblowin if the collective doesn't stand it's what happen's when a piece of a group doesn't play by the rules the RCMP investigate the shit out of all the towers protecting the corruption of Quebec nurtured by the Quebecois racists. I see it the back door meddleing is just beginning for Harper
DeleteAs stated above:
DeleteLes Montréalais say “We are not Québécois. Nous Somme Montréalais!”
The PROVINCE DE MONTRÉAL Movement represents the will and sentiment of more than a million Montrealers already. It is a movement about the will of French Canadians Wanting to remain Canadian along side, and with our English and ethnic Brothers.
The legal mechanism for the 11th or 12th Canadian Province is in place and it is not treason to ask from Our Country, Canada and from The Governor General permission and affirmation of such.
VIVE LA PROVINCE CANADIENNE DE MONTREAL!!
"The PROVINCE DE MONTRÉAL Movement represents the will and sentiment of more than a million Montrealers already"
DeleteComment pouvons-nous prendre contact avec cette organisation? 1 800 singapoor ?
Le RoC se fout totalement des canadiens vivant au Québec.
ReplyDeleteATTENTION READERS
ReplyDeleteA poll released today indicates Quebecers are widely in favour of the hard line adopted by the government with 66% approving.
Interestingly, the least support for the government exists in Montreal (37%) where most of the rioting takes place.
La Press Poll
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DeleteA technical problem perhaps?
The La Presse article can be consulted by clicking here .
Regardez les autres sondages,celui-ci par exemple :
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Le trajet de la manifestation (proposé aux autorités policières) des étudiants dans la ville de John Charest:
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Incroyable!!!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Politique/2011/05/27/002-sondage-courriel-charest.shtml
Anonymous lance un avertissement au gouvernement du Québec
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War measures Act do we still have it? If we do it needs to be put in place. These terrorists need to be erased!
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ReplyDeleteLe documentariste Michael Moore a réagit au geste du groupe montréalais sur Twitter en qualifiant le mouvement étudiant « de l’une des plus impressionnantes manifestations de l’année ».
*Arcade fire
DeleteWho's that? What skin do they have in the game?
DeleteAll I hear is some righteous f'ks trying to defend the rights of the students. Obviously they care nothing for:
ReplyDeleteThe rights of the taxpayers who have to pay for all the police overtime and security.
The rights of the business owners in Montreal who are suffering as a result of this shit.
The rights of the students who wanted to continue with their education unhampered by a group of anarchists.
No problem demonstrating and doing whateve you want...in this case, however, the demonstrations have been anything but quiet and peaceful. The line is drawn when the demonstrating students start stepping on the rights of others through their actions which is well evidenced. When you breach the rights of others you are breaking the tenants of law and common decency. Its not the government (Charest) who is at fault. It is in fact those that protest the loudest about their rights being suspended, who in this case are the demonstrating students who seem to have no problem suspending or hampering the rights of others.
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DeleteFaut que ça fasse mal sinon...
ReplyDeleteVoilà pour les sondages d'opinions:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=366928960021670&set=a.296853703695863.69697.296520683729165&type=1&theater
They do not go back to school
ReplyDeleteContact CBC and La presse for the way they are promoting the riots by giving encouraging numbers to the terrorists that legally when you put all the articles together in a montage you see how they fanned the flames every day.
ReplyDeleteI've been sending them messages you watch how quick they change the slant in the media. CBC already has a poll on the side of the residents:
http://www.cbc.ca/montreal/features/yourvote/2012/05/are-police-using-a-justifiable-amount-of-force-against-protesters.html