Friday, January 20, 2012

French versus English Volume 44

Official bilingualism costs $2.4 Billion a year: study
"The 10 provinces spend a total of $900-million annually on minority language services, with the bulk going toward French-language education outside Quebec and English-language education inside Quebec. Ontario spends the most, doling out $623-million — or $1,275 for each minority member. While Quebec ranks third in overall spending at $51-million annually, it spends the least per minority member — mostly anglophones — at just $85 a head."
By the way, the study was written by a University of Montreal professor, François Vaillancourt.    Link
Not surprising, French language militants have remained rather mute in reaction to the story.
Don Macpherson does a nice job destroying the hackneyed myth, repeated ad nauseum by French language militants, that Anglophones are the most pampered minority in the world.
Anglos in Quebec the ‘best-treated minority’? Think again"
Whenever we English-speaking Quebecers are so ungrateful as to complain about the anti-English policies of our provincial government, we’re told to shut up, because we’re “the best-treated minority in the world.”
Never mind that we’re being “treated” with our own money, since we shoulder our share of Quebec’s tax burden, among the heaviest in North America.
But by one important standard, a study published this week by the Fraser Institute suggests we’re not even treated the best among Canada’s official-language minorities.  
In fact, in terms of money spent by the provincial governments to provide additional public services in the minority languages – French in the other provinces and English here – we’re by far the worst-treated." Read the rest of the story in the Gazette    Alternate Link

Language Fail
You'd think newspapers would pride themselves on correct spelling, translation, syntax and otherwise all things grammatical.
After all, they're not lowly bloggers! n'est-ce pas??



But it cuts both ways, here an editorial cartoon in La Presse is trying to make the point that the Montreal Canadiens are going ENGLISH by displaying a workman in a cherry-picker changing the name of the arena from the 'Centre Bell'' to the 'Bell Center.' 
The joke falls flat when one realizes that when describing an arena in Canada, the word Centre is actually spelled the same way in both French and English, as in Toronto's Air Canada Centre, or the MTS Centre in Winnipeg.



Disastrous Unemployment spike bothers nobody
You'd think Quebec newspapers would be running front page banner headlines in relation to the catastrophic rise in the unemployment rate as Quebec has lost tens of thousand of jobs over the last six months.
But of course, Randy Cunneyworth's lack of French and a couple of unilingual bosses in high places is much, more important.

Check out this graph, which underscores the horrific result wherein the Quebec unemployment rate rose by a whopping 2%, while in the RoC the rate actually dropped marginally.
I guess the party is over, where Quebec was actually ahead of the country during the big bad days of the recession and has returned to its traditional position as chief basket case among Canada's big four provinces.
In a year of cross-Canada recovery, Quebec managed to lose over 51,000 jobs.
On Thursday Louis Harel finally woke up and complained about Air Canada shipping off 140 jobs to Toronto from Montreal. The story broke months ago and I wrote about it then, so I'm not sure why she's complaining now. 
With labor trouble at Rio Tinto and White Birch, plus research jobs disappearing, the ongoing disaster continues unabated.
The solution..... more money for the OQLF to harass businesses!



Anglos contribute to decline in English school enrollment
"It's parents like Stefan Gauthier who have been contributing to the diminishing enrollment in the English Montreal School Board.
Gauthier, an Anglophone, is legally allowed under Quebec's language law to send his daughter Emma to an English language public school but opted instead for French.
"For us it just seemed more natural to put the kids in French, at least to start, given that it's a bit of a tougher language," said Gauthier." Read the rest of the story

Boston Bruin fan mocks Montreal over language controversy.  from..25stanley.com
 
Huntington mayor remains defiant
"Even under the microscope of the Office québécois de la langue française (OQLF), the Town of Huntington flatly refused to subject the municipal government to Bill 101, adopted in 1977 by the provincial government.
"We learned [Wednesday] that the
OQLF launched an investigation following a complaint regarding the application of the Charter of the French language in our municipal affairs," said the mayor of Huntingdon, Stéphane Gendron, in a press release.
"I have already informed the francization officer of the OQLF by telephone, that Bill 101 - regarding municipal governance - had and would not apply in the territory of the City of Huntingdon, said the mayor. It is useless to squander public funds to enforce a law that does not work  for our administration. End of story. " Link{Fr}
 
He's quite a character, this Stéphane Gendron, remember, he's the guy who announced on his television show that Israel had no right to exist..

Ottawa cans language school teachers
"The federal government is getting out of the business of providing language training to its employees, throwing 190 teachers and instructors across Canada out of work.
The move - which started with downsizing in the 1990s, and intensified after a 2006 Treasury Board decision - marks the first time in decades that the government won't be directly offering French and English training to public servants to meet the language requirements of their jobs." Link


I SWEAR I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP!...
Interpreter, please s.v.p
The letter writer was upset about what he considered an intolerable situation in certain of Montreal's French schools which have a large body of immigrant students whose parents don't speak French, but some English.
He gave the example of the Filipino community whose members generally speak pretty good English along with their native Tagalog.
It seems that when these non-French speaking parents come in for the proverbial parent/teacher conferences, those teachers who are bilingual, (the majority) conduct the meeting with the parent in English.
This according to the letter writer is an outrage. No teacher in a French school should ever carry on a meeting in English.
His solution- an interpreter.
The school board should provide an interpreter who would  translate the parents English into French for the teacher and translate into English the teacher's French responses.  
This even if the teacher speaks fluent English. arggh!!!.... Link{Fr}

Students too dumb to learn English
When anyone starts a conversation with the proverbial "I'm not against this, but...." you can be darn sure that the opposite is true.
Forty Quebec City area teachers signed a letter to the Minister of Education, that started with that old bromide, "We're not against teaching English, but.." and then went on to explain why they think it's a bad idea to force grade six students into taking a semester completely in English.
For the teachers, the main problem is that three-quarters of the students are too dumb to handle it, as well as their parents who would be incapable of dealing the supervision of 'English' homework..... At least they're honest! Link

Every picture tells a story



Here is a wide shot of the anti-Cunneyworth demonstration at the Bell Centre, which ironically, I found it on a separatist website.
What's interesting, is that its possible to get a sense of how big the demonstration actually was, which was a lot smaller than reports would have us believe.
The picture confirms what I reported, that participants ranged between 90-150 people and in no way came close to the 500 people reported by some media outlets.

By the way, a shout-out to J.T Utah of 25Stanley.com for scooping everyone on a regular basis in relation to news about  the Montreal Canadiens and the NHL in general.
The website was the first to accurately report the amount of demonstrators at the above demonstration at 100, scooping everyone in the mainstream media!
The site was the only place that called out Cammalleri for his selfishness BEFORE he was traded.
Sports reporters are too gutless to report the truth about unrest on the teams they cover because they are in fact glorified jock-sniffers who's first order of business is to protect their job and retain access to the players and the dressing room.
Check out 25Stanley.com.

Mitt Romney mocked for speaking French
"Zut alors! Il parle francais! -Mitt Romney is being skewered in a new Gingrich attack ad for speaking French.According to the TV spot dubbed “The French Connection,” his bilingual ability puts him on par with the liberal flip-flopper who happens to share his home state: John Kerry, the 2004 Democratic candidate." Link


Short Stuff

Terry DiMonte is coming home
Four years in Calgary gave returning CHOM-FM morning man a new perspective on Montreal.
Montreal Gazette Alternate Link

Not enough students in French cegep
The west island of Montreal's only French language  cegep is in danger of closing because of a lack of students. The 1,100 student Gérald-Godin college is located in the predominantly English section of town. Link

Westmount honored by Parks Canada
"The federal government has named the city of Westmount, Que. one of Canada's "iconic neighborhoods" for its architecture.
The tiny enclave west of downtown Montreal is one of four places Parks Canada has added to the list of historically significant sites in Canada." Link

Hydro-Quebec to host  English-only conference in Montreal
Hydro-Quebec is coming under fire from the usual suspects for hosting an international scientific conference in Montreal that will be conducted exclusively in English.
For Louise Marchand of the Office québécois de la langue française (OQLF), keeping French in the research world is a challenge. Even in France, the prestigious INRS has decided to publish its research papers in English only.
For the president of Impératif français, Jean-Paul Perreault, it is 'incredible' that a Quebec state company would host an English-only conference.
"It's a shame to see that this prejudice- English science, English as a world language - is multiplied to the detriment of other national languages ​​by organizations and individuals who should, with pride, say that on our territory, our language must prevail, " Link{Fr}


NDP's Mulcair will keep French citizenship
"NDP leadership hopeful Thomas Mulcair holds dual Canadian and French citizenship and vows to keep both even if he should one day become Canada's prime minister." Link

Your editor' humble opinion;
Mulcair is toast......The Ndp membership outside Quebec is already fearful of a party takeover by Quebec separatists and any illusions about Mulciar's loyalties, vis-a-vis Canada versus Quebec were shattered by the discovery that he's also a closet French citizen.

So Uncle Tom, ...turn out the lights and don't let the door hit you on your way out!


This landed in my email from a reader. Enjoy, but you need French....

 



Finally.....some semi-original artwork.




137 comments:

  1. What is with all these politicians on Canada's left having French citizenship: First Stephanie Dion and now Citoyen Mulcair. Mon Dieu!
    Anyone who's idea of a good time is jetting off to Paris for the weekend to sip champagne and discuss Existentialist literature with the bohemian crowd shouldn't be let anywhere near the Prime Minister's office.

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    1. The Prime Minister being too dumb to understand the pleasure of a) Being in Paris b) drinking champagne c) discussing literature d) hanging out with a bohemian crowd or e) all of these answers?

      I'd go with e).

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    2. Paris is certainly a city worth visiting, Champagne is an overrated sparkling wine, Existentialist literature is pompous crap by another name, the bohemian crowd is only charming until it gangs up on you, beats you up and rob you for crack money and while I wouldn't begrudge French (or any other country's) citizens holding on to their passport after becoming Canadian (Canada is a country of immigrants after all), there is something definitely fishy about a Canadian citizen born and bred looking for another citizenship while trying to become Prime Minister. The words "getaway plan" come to mind.

      As per France, any country that uses the word "STOP" on its Stop signs is fine by me. Oh, and McDonald's in France make great food and coffee (as well as the usual crap...). And KFC is called KFC...

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    3. @Quebec Partition

      "there is something definitely fishy about a Canadian citizen born and bred looking for another citizenship while trying to become Prime Minister"

      Is he seeking French citizenship at the moment? My understanding was that he's had it for a while but I can't find the info on the web.

      PS. You're right for Champagne being an overrated sparkling wine, but given the price one pays for it in France, it'd be pure craziness doing without.

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    4. WTF peeps.

      Some people are born with double-citizenship. Such is the case for Stéphane Dion. I haven't read the Mulcair case, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were the same. I myself am a citizen of two countries. I was born that way, because my mother was born elsewhere (she never had canadian citizenship, as a matter of fact). My wife also has it because she married me. Other people earn dual citizenship while studying/working abroad.

      Should people with double citizenship be banned from being PM ? Or should the ban be applied to only to those who, alla Romney have the execrated french-connexion ?

      Is there really such a person out there as a WASP who would refuse to vote for someone on the basis of french/canadian double citizenship ? Good grief ! Reminds me of the Roméo Saganash story during last election. Some guy said francophones wouldn't vote for NDP candidate Saganash because he was Cree. Well guess what ? He won the riding. Now I don't know that Mulcair will be the next NDP leader, but unlike Editor, methinks NDP party members are no more Simple-minded racist fucks as Saganash's francophone voters from Abitibi.

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    5. Mulcair's wife is a French citizen and as he tells the story, they were stopped by custom agents in Spain and interrogated for some time over the fact that a married couple had two different nationalities. It was then he decided to apply for a French nationality as was his right, as a spouse of a French national.

      Becoming a French citizen was a very conscious decision and apparently, if one is to believe his story, he now travels under that passport. Hmmmm...

      Of course he never explained why his wife didn't seek Canadian citizenship.
      Maybe it because she was seeking political office in France.( representing overseas citizens)

      Oh the irony!

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    6. Keeping the french passport to travel within the Schengen area and EU makes perfect sense.

      Now, having only one of the two members of the couple get a second citizenship makes more sense that having both apply for dual citizenship. Indeed, if the point is only to avoid trouble with custom agents, paying and going through the trouble of getting two new citizenships isn't worth it. Why they chose Thomas rather than Madame ? Maybe they flipped a coin ? In any case, I don't see why you bother giving Mulcair's wife hidden intentions. Moreoever, the procès d'intention seems to be one of this blog's favorite sports.

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    7. @ Leo

      I meant: wasn't he a politician already when he acquired French citizenship? You'd expect any politician to aim to become Prime Minister, even though only a few succeed. You don't get the top job if you don't want it, even if wanting it is not enough, methinks.

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    8. I do not understand what the fuss about a politician having multiple citizenship is all about.

      As they stand, the laws of Canada (and the United States) allow their citizens to have citizenship from other country(ies) concurrently with the Canadian or American one without any negative consequence. As politicians are also citizens with the rights and obligations of a citizen, I do not see why it is such a bad thing for them to have other citizenship.

      If having multiple citizenship is such a bad thing, it should be ruled illegal. Many countries do that. However, for Canada I think the negative effects will outweigh the positive ones. For examples, all Canadian-born living in the United States and having American citizenship must renounce their Canadian citizenship right away.

      The negative comments arise because the politicians in question (Dion and Mulcair) are Quebec politicians having French citizenship. But what about citizenship of other countries? British or American for example?

      I do not know of any other Canadian politician as example. But south of the border, former California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has Austrian citizenship. Former Michigan governor Jennifer Granholm has Canadian citizenship. They served well. What is the big deal?

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  2. Editor,

    What is the story on "OQLF targeting village"?

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    1. The post released prematurely and was incomplete. It is the story about the town of Huntington.

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    2. You mean HuntingDon, right? ;-)

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  3. Québec has returned to its position of chief basket case among "four big provinces".

    Isn't something like provinces with red hat? I think that Ontario's position of chief basket of provines with a population larger than 10 millions is shameful. : )

    Never mind, I am probably the only seeing the irony...

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    1. According to the graph posted by the Editor, Quebec is the chief basket case among ALL TEN provinces.

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  4. While I support bilingualism in Canada the bloated bureaucracy behind it certainly deserves a second look especially in the ROC it would seem. With the advent of new and dirt cheap (ie Skype) telecommunications technology I suggest the Government take a long hard look at how to employ these new methods of communication to serve minority language communities. Imagine walking up to an electronic kiosk in Yellowknife and teleconferencing with a French speaking Government employee based in Quebec who could field questions from all over?

    PS. That rap video was hilarious.

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  5. Concerning anglos who send their children to French schools in Quebec...

    I would think that the English school boards would do a better job at convincing parents that their children will come out with a better grasp of both languages within their schools. In order to get that message across, they need to partner with the English media to get that message across. A simple act of providing access to their schools to the English based media to do reports (TV, Radio, Newspapers) about their successes can help convince parents that their children will get to learn both languages. And gets kids on camera to demonstrate their use of both languages. Not just school board talking heads feeding the public the same dog and pony lines.

    Also, I would think that the English school boards would provide francophone parents with a way to learn English.

    Example...many ethnic groups provide courses in their language to students. They do this by providing after school courses. What happens is that the kids go to regular school during the day. After school they attend greek, italian, and other courses. This usually happens twice a week after school. These programs are run by ethnic associations. What they do is rent a few class rooms in the schools that are used after school. The parents pay extra for these after school courses to the ethnic associations. Who in turn use this money to hire teachers, and rent school rooms. Simple idea. Provide a service due to the demand.

    Now, why can't the English school boards provide such a service within their own schools to francophone parents that want their kinds to learn English but don't have the right to send their kids to English schools due to Bill 101. This would be a add on service for them. They pay the school some extra money, and they get to send their kids twice a week after school, or all day Saturday, to learn English. Just a thought. Wouldn't this help to keep those English schools that are threatened by closer to remain open. They would be used, but in another way.

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  6. I think a lot of English speaking parents that choose to send their kids to French schools do so because they recall their own experiences of learning French in an English school in the 70's and 80's which were in most cases not optimal. Things have changed, English schools in Montreal are in fact bilingual schools that teach much more French then they used too. They really need to get the word out. Also, by sending their kids to a French school they effectively remove their kid's right to send their kids to an English school in Montreal.

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    1. Anonymous 06:27 AM,

      I am not 100% sure, but I don't think that they lose their right to send their kids to english school. If one of your grand-parents went to english school, you have the same right.

      Michel Patrice

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    2. MP, I was always under the impression that kids whose parents attended an English school in Canada were the only ones allowed in Quebec to attend an English/bilingual school. Never heard the Grandparents clause. En tout cas, the notion that you're limited in your choice which school your kid attends based on your ethnic background or what school you went to is passé and seriously needs a rethink.

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    3. NO! Grandparents have nothing to do with eligibility.

      73. The following children, at the request of one of their parents, may receive instruction in English:
      1) a child whose father or mother is a Canadian citizen and received elementary instruction in English in Canada, provided that that instruction constitutes the major part of the elementary instruction he or she received in Canada;
      2) a child whose father or mother is a Canadian citizen and who has received or is receiving elementary or secondary instruction in English in Canada, and the brothers and sisters of that child, provided that that instruction constitutes the major part of the elementary or secondary instruction received by the child in Canada;
      3) a child whose father and mother are not Canadian citizens, but whose father or mother received elementary instruction in English in Québec, provided that that instruction constitutes the major part of the elementary instruction he or she received in Québec;
      4) a child who, in his last year in school in Québec before 26 August 1977, was receiving instruction in English in a public kindergarten class or in an elementary or secondary school, and the brothers and sisters of that child;
      5) a child whose father or mother was residing in Québec on 26 August 1977 and had received elementary instruction in English outside Québec, provided that that instruction constitutes the major part of the elementary instruction he or she received outside Québec. (emphasis added)

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    4. I was under the impression that if you went to english school, your children did not lose that right. If I get it right, if at least one child in the family attends english school, then all brothers and sisters can attend english school (article 2), hence perhaps my mistake.

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    5. @ Michel Patrice,

      "If one of your grand-parents went to english school, you have the same right."

      If this is the case, then indicate the provision for it in Bill 101 or another Quebec law.

      I don't think you will be able to do so. It's just another one of your false claims. You're an expert at muddying the waters. I suppose if you repeat a lie often enough, some people will believe it.

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    6. Anonymous10:13,

      I read something that I thought was wrong, so I wrote a comment which began with a careful "I am not 100% sure, but...". Someone replied and explained how I was mistaken. I then replied that I was indeed mistaken and I did not call anyone any name nor did do any "procès d'intention" to anyone.

      Michel Patrice

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    7. To Michel Patrice:

      You didn't reply that you were mistaken. You replied that you were 'perhaps' - or possibly - mistaken.

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    8. Because of sections 73 to 76, if you're eligible for English instruction and you send your child to French school, that child will still be able to send his/her child to English school. You don't loose your constitutional right to attend English school in Quebec. In other provinces, you risk the chances of losing this right if you don't send your child to French school. It's explained here in greater detail:
      http://www.tlfq.ulaval.ca/axl/amnord/quebecdrtlng.htm

      I looked at the eligibility requirements at the Riverside School Board's website and there's supposedly an aunt/uncle clause
      Permanent Certificate of Eligibility – Child’s Grandparents, Uncle/Aunt Clause
      If the mother or father of a child
      was born after 1960 and,
      attended school in FRENCH, in QUÉBEC, between August 1977 and April 1982, OR after April 1982 and has a member of his/her immediate family who attended an English school at that time (i.e. the parent’s mother, father, brother or sister), then he or she may request a certificate of eligibility for his/her child.
      http://www.rsb.qc.ca/?AD757133-6579-4527-8320-DAFB95B4C48C

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  7. Actually the Montreal Gazette article is a little misleading. A majority of Anglo and Allo kids that have the english school eligibility certificate go to English school. The Quebec government just made attending English school very difficult. For example recently the supreme court struck down bill 103. Yet the Quebec government was allowed by the supreme court of Canada to modify the law themselves. So know a student who goes to non subsidized private English school must attend for at least 3 years and be subject of a Quebec Education ministry judge to be admitted. Brent Taylor has already challenged bill 105, which will probably get struck down and then English school boards on Montreal Island will start expanding it enrollment and even reopening some of the closed schools. Until that time the English school boards have to get creative with their enrollment. They should get together and invest in an office the pools parents that want their children to attend public english schools with facilities to get them into those schools. At the same time they have to hire out of province staff for new hires, who also have children of school going age. Maybe even on a 2 year contract to move to Montreal and attend english schools. Its not much in terms of increasing enrollment but even if a school or 2 are saved its an achievement

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  8. Here is another example of the despicable manner in which animals are treated in Quebec:

    http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Abandoned+case+sparks+barrage+tips/6023845/story.html

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  9. Mr.Perrault should take note of the fact that the ruling classes of non-English countries (major players in world affairs) are now subsidizing news stations to broadcast their points of view in English. E.g. Al Jazeera, DTV (German), Russia Times, Iran has recently launched PressTV, an around the clock news channel entirely in English, and China launched one too (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2010-07/01/c_13378575.htm). Even France has one: (http://www.france24.com/en/)

    He also should note that on international stage, French has also fell down the pecking order below other languages. It is no longer second. For example, Barcelona FC, a major Spanish soccer club, puts out press releases in 3 languages - Spanish, Portuguese, and English. Their website (http://www.fcbarcelona.com/) is in English BY DEFAULT (at least if accessed form North America, including QC), with other language options offered being: Castillan (Spanish), Catalan, Arabic, Japanese, and Chinese. Other soccer clubs walk the same beaten path.

    The effort to cultivate and maintain one's language and culture is a noble one, especially in the face of an overwhelming cultural domination of another culture. It shows the independence of mind and the ability to spot the difference between what's good, and what's only marketed as good. However, there is an invisible line somewhere which you shouldn't cross, for the risk of finding yourself tilting at windmills and trying to change things you cannot change.

    Mr Perrault has crossed that line between commendable and absurd. He has ventured into the realm of ridiculous.

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  10. Vous trouvez que le bilinguisme coûte cher?Imaginez le canada sans anglais.Je considère que les anglos sont importants dans ce pays et qu'ils valent amplement l'investissement de quelques milliards.

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  11. "Quebec can make French the only official language in spite of the Constitution". Pierre Trudeau, .

    "There is no way two ethnic groups in one country can be made equal before the law....and to say it is possible is to sow the seeds of destruction”. Pierre Trudeau,

    ." ....Given these facts, should French-speaking people concentrate their efforts on Quebec. or take the whole of Canada as their base? In my opinion, they should do both; and for the purpose they could find no better instrument than federalism", Pierre Trudeau,.

    "I cannot swear it but I think we were thinking to ourselves,... we are a small group, Trudeau, Pelletier, Marchand, Lalonde, Chrétien, myself and a few people in the civil service, say 50 all told…we were bringing off a revolution. We held the key posts. We were making the civil service bilingual (French), kicking and screaming all the time". Jean-Luc Pepin, Minister of Industry, 1970.

    50 years of spin, lies...thats what we have got. They are changing the names of towns, streets, counties, bodies of water, riding names…and I’m not taking about kebec any longer. It’s now going on all over the country; it’s a mess in Ottawa where they name things after anti-English language bigots and racists all the time. They are slowly wiping out our English, Scottish, Irish, United empire loyalists history. Just like they’ve been doing in Quebec for the last 5 decades (bills 22, 178, 101...)…This is one of the main reasons we are not teaching any history from 1760 to 1982 in our schools any longer. These racist people control government, the curriculum, our money…we get a daily dose of spin, lies and propaganda.

    See whats really going on here?

    So while Quebec bans the English language (bill 22, bill 178, bill 101…), wipes out its real BNA, UEL history, while ethnic language cleansing is going on in Quebec, the rest of the country is forced to fund whatever the French (metis) demand. This is going on in every province. Go check.

    “First Quebec, then we take over the rest of the country, one step at a time…through bilingualism…” PT, “How to take over a country through bilingualism…” SD. How ? First comes the right to communicate with gov't in a minority language (ie French),then comes bilingualism, then comes the right to work in the language of choice(ie French), then comes a bilingual boss,(ie French) then comes a exclusively French department and on it goes until its all French. Its happening all over the country, Ontario, New Brunswick…That’s what’s really going on.

    Go learn our proud, real BNA and UEL history. These were the builders of our country since 1763. Not this phony, revisionist lie, this bilingual, multicultural, 2 founding nations, linguistic duality lie, propaganda, spin that we’ve been living with since Trudeau, and kebec forced this upon the nation. We’ve been part of the British Empire since 1763 and officially an English speaking country for over 200 years…just a fact.

    Until the charter and all the bs (bilingual, multicultural, phony rights…crap) connected to it gets repealed, we will continue to self destruct as we have for the last 5 decades.

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    1. The real BNA, UEL history of Canada is as real as New France history and continued french presence in this country.

      Since 1763 and for the two hundred years that followed, it is exactly this attitude of negation of the french fact that lead to the modern separatist movement.

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    2. Perhaps, but this is why the ROC would gladly let Quebec separate. Sooner the better. The ROC could finally be free of the french "anchor" around its neck. Why do we need to waste money on such useless endevors, french is a dying language in global business, technology, science, politics, etc, etc.
      I hope Canada can wake up from this "bad dream" of the last 40 years..

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  12. Editor, votre jupon dépasse.

    En effet, je crois qu'en l'occurence, c'est vous plutôt que les médias québécois qui êtes obnubilé par les questions linguistiques (la nature de votre blogue n'en fait-elle pas foi ?). En effet, la situation préoccupante de l'emploi au Québec a été portée à mon attention à plusieurs reprises au cours des dernières semaines par les médias locaux. Pis, c'est Jean-François "The Insufferable" Lisée qui m'en a informé le premier via son blogue, ne vous en déplaise.

    Je me souviens également d'un billet récent de Gérald Fillion sur l'essoufflement de l'économie québécoise. J'ai aussi lu des articles dans les journaux faisant état de la dégradation de l'emploi au Québec. Finalement, j'en ai entendu parlé au journal télévisé d'au moins deux grands réseaux (de langue française, je souligne).

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  13. So Official bilingualism costs Canadians $2.4 billion dollars PER YEAR? What an utter and complete waste of money, money that could be used on health care, education, social programs or just about anything else badly needed in these tough economic times.

    Why do I say it's a waste? Well, for one thing what benefit does it offer, and to who? Let's face fact here: LESS THAN 3% of people in Canada (excluding Quebec) even speak French! And of those two-point-something French speakers in other provinces, the vast majority of them fluently communicate in English. So how many unilingual French speakers are there outside of Quebec that need this special support? Perhaps several hundred? Is that fair, when there are FAR more unilingual Mandarin, Spanish, Italian or Arabic speakers out there? Why are literally a handful of people given special special treatment over those more needy?

    It doesn't make sense. It's almost like it's just there as a special red-carpet treatment for Francophones in Quebec who happen to travel to other parts of Canada. I'm surprised Quebec doesn't demand the same treatment when traveling to the United States or Europe. Perhaps they should have laws demanding all signs, packaging and persons are ready to accommodate unilingual French Quebecers anywhere on PLANET EARTH.

    The biggest problem is while Quebec screams and cries that Canada MUST be bilingual (i.e. French everywhere to accommodate its "citizens" who travel aboard) it refuses to be bilingual itself. Quebec is unilingual French, to the point English is banned by law! There are far more unilingual English speakers living inside Quebec, than there are unilingual French speakers outside of Quebec. Apparently they should have NO accommodation whatsoever--everything is French, and if you you can't speak the language, get out.

    Beyond the fact official bilingualism is a waste of money and not really helping anyone, it should be abolished for the plain and simple fact, QUEBEC ITSELF REFUSES TO BE BILINGUAL.

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    1. "Why are literally a handful of people given special special treatment over those more needy?"

      Parce que le canada nous appartient.Il n'appartient pas aux chinois,aux italiens ou aux espagnoles.Nous avons fondé ce pays.

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    2. I don't mean to be pedantic, but not even China has got many UNILINGUAL Mandarin speakers, let alone Canada...

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    3. However, to answer your point: the real problem is the disparity in the treatment of linguistic minorities in Quebec, compared with the RoC. Common sense dictates that whilst it is polite for the majority to accommodate some of the particular needs of the minority, the burden is on the minority to comply with the rules as set by the majority. So it doesn't make sense to have unilingual English schools in Quebec, much the same way as it doesn't make sense to have unilingual French schools in British Columbia. The minority should be bilingual (and then free to choose what language to use whilst carrying out their own private business), both in Quebec and in the RoC, it's just the language of the unilingual majority that changes from Province to Province. What is not right is the assumption that the other language should be all but banned, as the case is, increasingly, in Quebec. Imposing fines on English business signs, closing down English schools (and not replacing them with bilingual schools!), even arguing about what to call KFC or the "Stop" sign (for which, incidentally, France is perfectly comfortable having their English denomination), or tapping schoolchildren for speaking English during recess time, are not gestures designed to protect the French language in Quebec: they are intimidation tactics designed to drive their targets to leave. Fact is: Quebec has been Canadian (hence part of a bilingual country) longer than it's ever been French, of the total population of Quebec, 8% are native anglophones, 10% speak English at home and a whopping 45% are either anglo or bilingual (ref. http://www.city-data.com/canada/Quebec-language.html), and yet, somehow, life is better for a Francophone in Unilingual English Ontario than for an Anglophone in BILINGUAL Quebec... That is just wrong.

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    4. I am not aware of the state of language statistics for China, but I'm pretty sure most of the 90% Han chinese are unilinguals.

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    5. Unilingual they may be, but not in Mandarin. There are several dialects spoken around China, Mandarin being in essence the dialect of the Beijing area, that the government has mandated to become the 'lingua franca' for internal trade and government business (a bit like English for international trade and diplomacy...). Wu dialects and Cantonese being some of the other major groups. Outside of the Beijing area, Mandarin is spoken to a level that is only 1% to 10% intelligible by other Mandarin speakers. That was the main reason I abandoned the idea of moving to China: I can try and get to grips with Mandarin, but, unless I choose Beijing (not a good choice for working in the manufacturing industry), I'd have to learn another local language if I want to live as well as work there. By the way, the Vancouver Chinese mostly speak Cantonese...

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    6. @TQP Cantonese and Wu are not dialects of Mandarin. They are mutually intelligible and are thus separate languages. The fact that all of them use hanzi for writing does not change this.

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    7. >le canada nous appartient.Il n'appartient pas aux chinois,aux italiens ou aux espagnoles.Nous avons fondé ce pays.
      Vous irez dire ça aux chefs des quelque 500 bandes autochtones du pays. Si vous revenez sain et sauf, c'est soit qu'ils ne vous prennent pas au sérieux, soit qu'ils ont pitié de vous.

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  14. @101 ou 401

    To my knowledge, the Hudson Bay Company founded this Country. The French may have been early settlers, but they did not create a country.

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  15. On se calme le ponpon de l'économie... Comme le disait Pierre Péladeau, que le Québec soit indépendant ou pas ça ne l'empêcherait pas de faire des affaires. Et vous savez quoi ? Il a raison, ''money talks''et malheureusement pour les angryphones de ce blogue, le Québec n'est pas un pays dépourvu de ressources humaines et matérielles ! Il ne deviendra pas sous-développé ni pire qu'il est en ce moment. C'est de vieux arguments faisant peur à des gens à la retraite...

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    1. C'est tellement évident mais certains anglos aiment croire que la planète s'arrêterait de tourner sans eux.De belles têtes enflées,que voulez-vous c'est le brainwashing (éducation) anglo qui opère.

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    2. @101 ou 401:

      two mistakes: first, I'm not an anglo (English is only my second language, but I'm using you the courtesy to use a language even you can understand). Second: by not refuting my points and resorting to sweeping generalisations and abuse, you have validated them.

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  16. Haïti chérie dit: Et que c'est fatiguant d'entendre parler du supposé coût du bilinguisme au Canada... Parlez donc des milliards dans l'armement et la sécurité ainsi que les sommes dépensées pour recevoir la reine et l'entretenir, elle, représentante d'un État étranger... La liste pourrait être plus longue mais je crois que les gens sensés comprennent l'essentiel du message. C'est un faux débat, le coût du bilinguisme. Vous assimilateurs que vous êtes :P ! Québec, réveille !

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    1. J'espère un retour foudroyant de Gilles Duceppe à la tête du Parti Québécois.La Nation Québécoise à besoin de reprendre un peu de vigueur face aux anglouilles.

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    2. @ Haiti cherie,

      The monarchy in Canada costs about 50 million dollars per year, but it is money well spent if it upsets the Quebec nationalists. It is chump change compared to the 2.4 billion spent on official bilingualism across Canada.

      If Quebec is going to be unilingual French, then the rest of Canada should be English-only. Point final!

      The only people who are behaving like assimilators these days are the Quebecois.

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    3. "J'espère un retour foudroyant de Gilles Duceppe à la tête du Parti Québécois."

      If old condom head Gilles Duceppe becomes leader of the PQ, he will be eaten alive by its members, just like most of its other leaders have been in the past (and present - Pauline Marois).

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  17. I think bilingualism (or mulit-lingualism) is great, but we also have to recognize that language can be used as an instrument of politics and power. Quebec has been trying to project influence in Quebec, and in the RoC though bill 101 and the OLA. I think most Canadians recognize this by now, even though the ruling class pretends it isn't so (as every ruling class protects the status quo), with even Harper being very timid about it as he moves forward with his policy. Quebec talks about bilingualism a lot, but is the first to rail against the fact that Mandarin and Punjabi are becoming very common in the RoC, displacing French to the 3rd/4th position. This might look like hypocrisy to an untrained eye (why complain about this linguistic richness if you blab about experiencing languages and cultures other than the "colonizing" English), but it becomes logical and in line with Quebec interests if one starts thinking about it in terms of cold politics, influence, and power.

    Also, the costs are high. So even if something is good, the cost-and-benefit analysis has to be carried out nonetheless.

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  18. Haïti chérie dit: ''If Quebec is going to be unilingual French, then the rest of Canada should be English-only. Point final!

    The only people who are behaving like assimilators these days are the Quebecois.'' Franchement, c'est complètement farfelu ce commentaire. Ça va carrément à l'encontre de la réalité des statistiques... Enfin, je vous laisse terminer votre ''high school'' avant de vous juger.:P

    Le Québec unilingue, on le cherche, c'est où ? Parce qu'en réalité, aucune autre minorité canadienne n'a accès à des services dans sa langue que les anglophones du Québec. Pire les colonisés, se ''pratiquent à parler anglais'' sans qu'on leur demande...

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    1. demandent... Excusez l'empressement !

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    2. @ Haiti cherie,

      "Franchement, c'est complètement farfelu ce commentaire. Ça va carrément à l'encontre de la réalité des statistiques..."

      What are the statistics?...please provide them.

      "Enfin, je vous laisse terminer votre ''high school'' avant de vous juger."

      That's a rather ironic statement coming from a product of the Haitian school system, if in fact you attended school at all.

      "Le Québec unilingue, on le cherche, c'est où ? Parce qu'en réalité, aucune autre minorité canadienne n'a accès à des services dans sa langue que les anglophones du Québec."

      You obviously have a very poor contact with reality. There are language laws in Quebec that have made it officially French only and which have restricted or banned the English language. The chart regarding minority language spending in Canada provided by the Editor proves your last sentence is false.

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    3. Haïti chérie dit: Je ne vois en aucun cas un bannissement de la langue anglaise. Peut-être qu'ailleurs, ils gèrent mal les dépenses...

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    4. @ Haiti cherie,

      I don't know when you arrived here from the cesspool of the Americas but there was a time when English was more visible on signage in Quebec. Bill 101 banned all languages except French from commercial signage. After the United Nations condemned Quebec for human rights violations, English was allowed on commercial signs but only if it was below the French and half the size or less. At the last PQ convention, they attempted to impose a total ban on English signage again.

      English has been banned from virtually all road signs in Quebec.

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    5. "English has been banned from virtually all road signs in Quebec."

      Normal,nous sommes au Québec pas en ontayo...Moron!

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  19. So today (21 January) is actually the Flag Day in Quebec. I passed Place du Canada today and saw the setup of their "celebration". Of course, they are being the SSJB, the setup of celebration is just another pro-independence demonstration.

    That brings me to the following rant.

    In 2001, the North American Vexillological Association named Quebec flag as the third-best flag among the flags of U.S. and Canadian jurisdictions (New Mexico was no. 1, Texas no. 2). So, that flag is actually a beautiful flag. However, here in this province, that flag has been perverted by the separatist movement in order that it now represents just a certain portion of Quebec society.

    I am not happy with the fact that I, as a Canadian citizen who live in Quebec, can not express my fondness of that flag, the flag of the place that I resides, without being perceived to be a sympathizer of the separatist cause. There is no feeling of inclusiveness associated with the blue flag. The Quebec flag represents either the separatist movement or the pur-laine ethnic group, IMO.

    There is no sense of common pride for all Quebecers in that flag. Compare that with the pride instilled for their respective population by the Texas Lone Star Flag or the California Republic Bear Flag.

    So yeah, maybe I am a bad immigrant if that means that I will not have allegiance to the Quebec flag. Maybe I will just live my life as a perpetual expatriate, as long as I live comfortably here with the lifestyle of my choice.

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    1. I feel the same way. When I see that flag I don't swell with pride. All I see is White, French, Catholic. It's certainly been Shanghighed by the Nationalists. Until the State stops its intimidation of Minority language groups living in Quebec, I don't think I'll ever respect that flag. Thankfully, the state plays zero part part in my life and I get along quite nicely here (in English).

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    2. Haïti chérie dit: ''All I see is White, French, Catholic. It's certainly been Shanghighed by the Nationalists'' Changez vos lunettes... Allez célébrer la fête nationale, c'est-à-dire la Saint-Jean-Baptiste, le 24 juin et vous verrez que le drapeau du Québec réuni beaucoup plus que ce que vous dites !

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    3. Haïti chérie dit: De plus, le drapeau du Québec n'appartient pas plus aux souverainistes qu'aux fédéralistes mais bien à tous les Québécois. On voit votre ''narrow minded'' poindre à l'horizon...

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    4. Haiti cherie,

      Yeah right. Show me one example where the fleur-de-lys flag is used for inclusiveness. Where it is used not to forward one ideology or one particular segment of the community.

      As for St. John the Baptist's day, among many floats and 'giants' in the parade, show me one that does not represent the white, Catholic, French society. The only exception I can recall is just St. Patrick (which they call St-Patrice).

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    5. Dois-je vous rappeler que la mixité des Québécois, notamment avec les Amérindiens est largement documentée. Que dire de Mathieu Da Costa, interprète de Samuel de Champlain ? Je cherche toujours les personnages historiques issus des minorités culturelles à la fête du Canada ? Des WASP loyaux à la Couronne britannique ?

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    6. I suppose, then, that you have two options:

      1: Do the obnoxious expat/immigrant/Rhodesian thing and start pushing for a new flag to be adopted, one that doesn't come from a prototype made by the SSJB or some other ethnic special interest group, but rather one that is designed by a committee and which deliberately represents ALL Quebecers irrespective of race, language, and religion. This will cost time, money, and political capital. For reference, consult the books on the lead-up to the maple leaf flag at the federal level.

      2: Appropriate the current flag. It IS after all, the official flag of our province, and one that ALL Quebecers ought to have already appropriated. One might argue that the true perversion of the matter is that the flag is currently employed as a banner far more often by separatist groups when in fact it belongs to all of us already (I pay taxes to that flag, so yeah, it's mine too, goddamn it). Let the separatists continue to show up with their Patriote flag -- the one emblazoned with the star and the 1837 rebel holding a gun, not the one without, which represents a concept far beyond their limited project. The problem until now has been that the flag is a proxy for identity that shouldn't be. If the separatists are afraid that people not ethnically like them are invading their territory, I think it's high time you invade their symbols too.

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    7. I don't think the two options are viable. Pushing for a new flag would be a waste of time, appropriating or accepting a flag that has so many negative connotations would be an exercise of self-deception. Troy's original apporach is what is left for the allos: "Maybe I will just live my life as a perpetual expatriate, as long as I live comfortably here with the lifestyle of my choice"

      An immigrant to Quebec has two duties - not to buy the nationalist crap and learn English, and not to be deterred too much by the nationalsit crap and learn French (i.e. separate knowing of the language from the poltics of the language). Besides that, I would recommend staying on the sidelines, adopt a critical view of this society, stay outside of it looking in as opposed to on the inside of it, distance yourself just enough not to become a shut in, and look at it with irony and sarcasm (which unfortunately can over time evolve into cynicism). Other than that, live your life your way (don't let them tell you that minority always has to adjust to and "respect" the majority, that's their vanity talking). Also, don't buy into their self-congratualtory image that they're the lone guardians of difference and nuance in North America. Just because they scream the loudest doesn't mean they're the only ones opposing the cultural dominance of America. Many people do it privately adn away from the spotlight, without fusing language with politcs or screaming about it at mass rallies. Look at Punjabi and Mandaring in the RoC, Italians in St Leonard, Hispanics in the US, amongst many others.

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    8. Payer des impôts ne donne pas tous les droits...

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    9. "Je cherche toujours les personnages historiques issus des minorités culturelles à la fête du Canada ? Des WASP loyaux à la Couronne britannique ?"

      I was at the Canada Day celebrations on Parliament Hill in Ottawa last July and there was an immense crowd of people of all races and colours, speaking many different languages. There were also many Francophones in attendance.

      Canada Day is all-inclusive while Johnny Baptiste Day in Quebec is exclusionary, representing only white Francophone Catholics (as noted above).

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    10. Anonymous at 08:28,

      "Je cherche toujours les personnages historiques issus des minorités culturelles à la fête du Canada ? Des WASP loyaux à la Couronne britannique ?"

      What are you talking about? George-Etienne Cartier, Georges Vanier, Wilfrid Laurier, Pierre Elliott Trudeau.

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    11. @adski: I disagree with both options not being viable.

      Maybe it’s got something to do with my triple origins, but this is where I partially endorse what I suppose you could call nativist rhetoric -- albeit of an inclusive variety rather than the type which seeks to aggressively compel newcomers to shelve their ways entirely. An immigrant or his children should neither aspire nor be forced to live as perpetual shut-in expatriates in the new country they call home. This lack of participation has the proven potential to lead to misunderstandings (or worse) between them and their host population.

      I also don't agree with staying on the sidelines. Unless you're a tourist and don't want to rock the boat with the natives while on your honeymoon, your job as a citizen is to both give and take. Living a self-effaced reclusive existence is not the way to make tracks anywhere. Time and again, history has shown that the squeaky wheel gets the grease -- the louder elements of society will delineate its issues and debate (including any debate about the newcomers if the newcomers don't frame the debate first). The adage has it that he who controls the language of the debate has already won the debate; he who doesn't has lost before it has ever begun.

      The theme in many Western societies is familiar – a host society, mostly homogeneous in language, ethnicity, and culture having difficulty coming to terms with new immigrants often from poorer places and with increasingly different outlooks and values (both real and imagined). The reaction is predictable, ranging from the more hawkish advocating harsh and immediate assimilation to the dovish believing that all groups should work toward some idealistic celebration the diverse tapestry of the nation. I personally think the right (and ideal) thing to do is face up to the fact that the organic reality is somewhere in between. Newcomers – whether by simple migration or conquest – have forever been changing the constitutions of founder populations, and it’s unrealistic for both the founders and the newcomers to expect that they can formally control all the ways in which these interactions will impact that society down the road. Ensuring, or even wanting to speak, eat, act, pray, and dress exactly as one’s ancestors did – or someone else’s ancestors, for that matter – is just as unrealistic and runs counter to millennia of documented human progress (regress?). This is why I personally believe more that any talk of any Western society’s changing identity shouldn’t be fraught with identity politics. To me, this is largely rhetoric on how to define some kind of “national identity orthodoxy” so that it remains static – or worse – evolves only along lines dictated by professionals motivated less by anthropology and more by their own re-election.

      So yes. I am a Montrealer, a Quebecer, and a Canadian because I say I am. Neither Montreal, nor Quebec, nor Canada will decide if any part of what I advocate runs counter to some marketing branding or guideline and deserves to be sanctioned.

      Allez célébrer la fête nationale, c'est-à-dire la Saint-Jean-Baptiste, le 24 juin et vous verrez que le drapeau du Québec réuni beaucoup plus que ce que vous dites !
      Tout à fait vrai. Mais ça fait déjà quelques décennies que le 24 juin n’est plus la « Saint Jean » et donc seulement pour célébrer la culture des Québécois de souche canadienne-française mais de tous les Québécois. À moins que par « nationale » l’on ne cherche qu’à fêter une nation englobant les mêmes personnes mais sous un nom différent…
      Outre cette possibilité (qui à la lumière des agissements révélateurs ces dernières années des MNQ/SSJB et cie. semblent suggérer de plus en plus que c’est le cas), je crois que l’apport linguistique et culturel des anglos et des allos est tout aussi légitime et donc digne de célébration que celui des colons français.

      > Payer des impôts ne donne pas tous les droits...
      Être ici depuis 400 ans pas plus…

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    12. Justement les George-Etienne Cartier, Georges Vanier, Wilfrid Laurier, Pierre Elliott Trudeau et compagnie étaient issus d'un des deux peuples fondateurs du Canada. Ne se reconnaissant plus dans cela, il est légitime de fonder son propre état indépendant.

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    13. ''Payer des impôts ne donne pas tous les droits...
      Être ici depuis 400 ans pas plus…'' Allez donc dire cela aux Étatsuniens afin qu'ils redonnent le territoire aux Premières nations et vous ferez de même... Que dire des Palestiniens...

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    14. > [...] et compagnie étaient issus d'un des deux peuples fondateurs du Canada. Ne se reconnaissant plus dans cela, il est légitime de fonder son propre état indépendant.

      Tout comme des millions d'autres Québécois fédéralistes, je ne me reconnais pas non plus dans un Québec où l'on prône l'ethnisme comme valeur politique légitime. Or, par votre logique, étant moi-même issu non pas d'une seule mais bien de trois origines (franco, anglo, allo) et donc encore plus digne de commenter sur la situation car mes intérêts sont équilibrés dans à peu près la même proportion, il serait légitime de fonder mon propre état indépendant (ou rattaché au Canada) sur une partie du territoire actuel du Québec.

      Morceler le territoire québécois finirait par vous désavantager encore plus que moi. Chose surprenante: même en tant qu'archi-fédéraliste j'y suis en principe contre.

      >Être ici depuis 400 ans pas plus…'' Allez donc dire cela aux Étatsuniens afin qu'ils redonnent le territoire aux Premières nations et vous ferez de même... Que dire des Palestiniens...
      Une grosse différence entre les blancs/premières nations et israéliens/palestiniens et nous. Nous qui travaillons tous au Québec payons des impôts au Québec au bénéfice de tous les Québécois... alors oui on a bel et bien un droit de parole et d'action sur tout ce qui se passe chez nous. À défaut de vouloir forcément s'intégrer au bidon d'appartenance culturelle colporté par des soi-disant "artistes" du Plateau, ceux et celles qui supportent financièrement l'État québécois sont autant sinon plus Québécois que ceux qui ne font qu'aspirer aux vieilles idées révolues.

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    15. "Tout comme des millions d'autres Québécois fédéralistes..."

      Quoi?

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  20. Editor,

    To add on your story about Cegep Gerald-Godin, see the comment from Mario Beaulieu. Instead of realizing that there are not enough interest in French Cegep on the west Island, of course he thinks that it is a conspiracy effort to anglicize Montreal.

    http://quebecfrancais.org/node/3721

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      In addition, one French CEGEP closing versus the hundreds of English public elementary and high schools closing, across Montreal Island are ignored and celebrated by the Pur Laine chauvanists, then a French CEGEP with 1000 students and a budget of 30 Million which will be cut to 19 000 000 is around 19 000 budget per student. It should be closed and the building transferred to a satellite campus of either Vanier college or John Abbott College.

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  21. Haïti chérie dit :Je suis véritablement et lamentablement con et attardé avec mes opinions dépassés qui n’ont aucune logique et en passant, vue que je suis haïtien, j’ai été sujet à un grand manque d’éducation dans ma jeunesse , me rendant maintenant à un point à laquelle je suis sous l’emprise de stupidité et de bouffonnerie et surtout, de manque d’articulation au niveau prononciation…moi, c’a m’excite d’être sur ce blog car je peux m’exprimer sans être pointé du doigt et ridiculisé par des personnes…merci a l’éditeur, je vous aime grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr( je suis en chaleur)…. Et je veux aussi souligner que nous les haïtiens, avons perdu la langue de nos ancêtre, qui était le goulou goulou soit dite en passent, à cause des français qui nous ont assimilés. Grosso modo, nous sommes un peuple assimilé et nous en sommes fières.

    Alors sur cette note, je vous dis à tous : Goulou Goulou zagou baboul nounnou mangez mes grosse couilles nounou big bang boo

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    1. Haïti chérie dit: Ce ne sont pas mes propos mais bien ceux d'un péquenot (voir dictionnaire à la lettre P) qui se prend pour moi. En plus d'être disgracieux et tout simplement racistes, ses propos sont carrément ceux de quelqu'un qui mêle conversation politique avec sexualité ça ne peut-être qu'un cul (ou un trou du cul ?) qui est habitué à se fendre (c'est le cas de le dire :P)lorsque les propos émis ne sont pas ce que lui disent ses maîtres à penser ! Et rebelote... Cher Éditeur, j'espère que vous comprendrez les subtilités des propos émis à ce cher anonyme...

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  22. Haïti chérie veut dire aussi: ce n’est pas de ma faute si je suis très limité au niveau quotient intellectuel, mon cerveau est aussi gros que le celle d’une guenon en chaleur qui s’adonne à être sexuellement frustré sous une base régulière …saviez-vous que j’utilisais encore mes doigts pour compter et calculer ?

    Goulou goulou baboo toutou nounou ma zoune

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    1. Haïtie chérie dit: Deuxième rince-cochon à cet anonyme qui utilise mon nom d'utilisateur. Et puis quoi, vous faites dans la biologie ou dans la sexologie ? Au lieu d'utiliser vos doigts pour compter et calculer, vous devriez vous les rentrer profondément dans le cul, ça vous éviterait des montées de chaleur et peut-être que ça vous ferait sourire un peu. Vous avez l'air, selon vos propos, d'un vrai connard de première ! Et ces insultes à la noix... Votre père est plus fort que le mien, je suppose ? hahaha :P

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  23. "Goulou goulou baboo toutou nounou ma zoune"

    I think our Voodoo witch is trying to turn us into zombies by placing a hex on us...

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  24. @Haiti Chérie:

    Before I start, I want to say that my comments might come off as a bit rude, but please know that isn't my intention, I'm just curious..

    With your nick, I assume you are Haitian, am I correct? If this is the case, I am very curious to know how you can feel any sense of association with language extremists or separatists/separatist parties in this province. You realize they think immigration is destroying their culture, right?

    To me, this just confirms the fact that their (language extremists/separatists) propaganda is working well. How can you defend a group whose beliefs are based on racism and xenophobia? Do you really think they accept you, a haitian, in Quebec? Forgive me, but "lol" seems to be appropriate here.

    What, did you actually believe Pierre Falardeau when he claimed that he doesn't mind people of any race (and then proceeded to list different skin colors), as long as they aren't federalists? Again, sorry, but "lol". Or maybe you believed his defense after he called David Suzuki "Un petit japanouille à barbiche"?

    Do you know what a language extremist or separatist considers to be a real "Québécois"? I'm sorry to inform you that you definitely don't fit into their standard, which is White, French, Catholic, separatist, left-wing, not too educated.

    Yes, maybe they'll smile at you and shake your hand when they're trying to get your vote, but your culture and any differences are not welcome here, and you'd find that out very quickly in a sovereign Quebec. I'm surprised you haven't realize that by now.

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    1. Les Québécois préfèrent de beaucoup un Haitien qui parle français qu'un pseudo Québécois qui parle anglais.

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    2. En fait je suis un Québécois francophone, et j'utilise le français à tous les jours dans la vie courante et au travail, car nous sommes dans une province francophone. Ce blogue est anglophone, donc j'écris en anglais par respect des lecteurs, qui viennent de partout au monde.

      However I understand that a Québécois who is educated and bilingual might be a threat to your way of thinking.
      Your comment confirms what I said, thank you.

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    3. @ OQLF,

      No, the Quebecois prefer neither group. They were completely opposed to any increase in immigration from Haiti after the earthquake there in 2010.

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    4. "En fait je suis un Québécois francophone..."

      Par définition un Québécois c'est un francophone et j'ai assez d'éducation pour reconnaître un pléonasme...stumpy.Les "assholes" sont parfois plus difficiles à détecter mais dans certains cas,ça saute aux yeux.

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    5. > Les Québécois préfèrent de beaucoup un Haitien qui parle français qu'un pseudo Québécois qui parle anglais.
      Pourtant, moi en tant que descendant des trois principaux "groupes" ethniques qu'il y a au Québec, j'ai autant le droit de m'appeler Québécois et je peux vous dire que ça ne change absolument rien pour moi qu'un Haïtien/Jamaïcain/Chinois me parle en français ou en anglais. Les chances sont bonnes qu'un jour très prochainement, cet Haïtien-là sera tout aussi à l'aise en français qu'en anglais et qu'ensemble nous aurons encore plus en commun entre nous qu'avec des extrémistes à la Beaulieu, Curzi, Bourgeois, et Falardeau.

      >However I understand that a Québécois who is educated and bilingual might be a threat to your way of thinking.
      This seems to be the case. But eventually he'll have to realize that if he can't beat 'em, he'll have to join 'em... or possibly do away with himself.

      Don't forget that you're dealing with the type of person who supports the 60s notion of entirely re-engineering Quebec society not out of inherent fairness but out of the belief that it was socially acceptable to cultivate a "nation" of "Quebecers" that would rush to defend unilingualism as an ideal for our situation.

      "Keep me ignorant please! I WANT you to make me part of a captive work force. This is how I affirm my right to exist using an identity you created for me. Paste over any remnant of that corrupting language, culture, and government and we'll finally be free!"

      ... the only thing is that this sounds an awful lot like a line out of some religious fundamentalists' playbooks... but I digress.

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    6. "Don't forget that you're dealing with the type of person who supports the 60s notion of entirely re-engineering..."

      Ben oui toé!Peut-être parce que l'on se retrouve dans la même situation d'envahissement.
      J'espère seulement qu'au prochain référendum,nous aurons collectivement le courage de stopper(c'est accepté en français) ce cycle infernal pour de bon.

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    7. ALors écrivez donc dans chacune des langues de la planète si votre respect est si grand... Pourquoi seulement en anglais ?

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    8. > Par définition un Québécois c'est un francophone [...]
      Ça dépend, tellement les cartes sont brouillées lorsqu'il est question des termes "Québécois" et "Francophone". La réponse peut varier selon qu'on s'en tient à une définition philosophique, ethnicisite, juridique, territoriale, politisée, ou autre.

      J'aime bien appeler les choses par leur nom et de rester le plus neutre possible.

      Un francophone de souche canadienne-française c'est Lucien Bouchard ou Jean Chrétien. Pas Maria Mourani, une Ivoirienne d'origine libanaise.

      Un francophone ça peut vouloir dire Gilles Duceppe comme ça peut vouloir dire Gerry Sklavounos, Stephen Harper, ou François Hollande. Pas Avril Lavigne (à ce que je sache) qui ne parle pas français.

      Le mot Québécois peut amener certains à penser Mom Boucher, Maka Kotto, et Alfonso Gagliano; d'autres pourraient même songer à Jack Layton, Charles Aznavour, Mordecai Richler, ou Jack Kerouac. Mais certainement pas Charles de Gaulle; il n'a jamais habité la belle province.

      Un Canadien-Français, c'est Guy A. Lepage, Don Boudria, Gabrielle Roy, et chacune des quintuplées Dionne. Exclu: Wajdi Mouawad; bien qu'il ait vécu un certain temps en France, il appartient à l'ethnie libanaise.

      Donc oui, ce sont des termes à mieux nuancer et baliser... et ce qui semble être un pléonasme pour certains n'en est pas forcément. Et ce ne sont certainement pas des faiseurs à label avec motivations politiques et ayant intérêt à brouiller les cartes identitaires qui vaincront.

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    9. Parce que sa culture générale semble défaillante...Il est de Three Rivers,je crois.

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    10. "brouiller les cartes identitaires"

      Je vous rappelle que ma définition est nettement plus claire que la vôtre.Quoique j'aurais pu ajouter : Francophile.

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    11. > Peut-être parce que l'on se retrouve dans la même situation d'envahissement.
      Ce n'est pas nous qui avions été envahi mais nos ancêtres d'il y a 8 générations. Les choses tant internes qu'externes ont assez changé depuis. Imagine-donc comment se sentent les autochtones qui eux n'ont pas le luxe de renvoyer qui que ce soit, anglais ou français...

      > J'espère seulement qu'au prochain référendum,nous aurons collectivement le courage de stopper(c'est accepté en français) ce cycle infernal pour de bon.
      Comptez-y. Ou peut-êtres n'y aura-t-il même plus de référendum et deux millions de Québécois se rendront compte du fait qu'ils ont DÉJÀ un pays et qu'ils en ont toujours eu.

      ALors écrivez donc dans chacune des langues de la planète si votre respect est si grand... Pourquoi seulement en anglais ?
      Parce que c'est un blog avant tout en anglais, concombre. À propos... vous ne vous sentez pas un peu déficient à ne pas pouvoir exprimer vos idées à l'écrit en anglais sur une tribune anglophone comme justement le faisons Stumpy et moi? Ou bien êtes vous tellement incapable, tellement imbu, tellement victime de votre propre mythique exceptionnalisme ethniste que la primauté d'une langue, ça ne fonctionne que lorsque ça vous avantage personnellement?

      À votre place je dirais un gros merci au Rédacteur qui permet telle expression bilingue. C'est effectivement une politesse que votre pays fantaisiste ne réciproquerait jamais.

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    12. Haïti chérie dit: ''Quebecker of Tree Stump'' Ça fait assez longtemps que je suis établi au Québec pour connaître la motivation des indépendantistes. Contrairement à ce que vous dites, j'y suis très bien et mes enfants également. Les Québécois sont ouverts, curieux et surtout très amicaux. Vous connaissez bien peu les porte-étendard du mouvement indépendantiste car ceux-ci sont nullement racistes. Des xénophobes, il y en a probablement comme chez les anglophones, comme dans le reste du Canada, comme aux États-Unis, comme en Haïti, etc. Un type comme Falardeau avait des excès de langage mais on ne peut le traiter de raciste car il n'en était pas. Un anthropologue de formation et un militant de gauche, de toutes les gauches, ce n'est pas raciste, c'est humaniste. Saviez-vous qu'il maîtrisait plusieurs langues dont l'anglais avec laquelle il communiquait avec un vieil ami, le peintre Léon Spierenburg, un Hollandais.http://www.cyberpresse.ca/arts/livres/201111/25/01-4471590-falardeau-un-tres-mauvais-ami-lami-fidele-.php Très intéressant ce livre. Une dernière chose, regardez ce court film sur la voisine de Falardeau, une vieille femme parlant uniquement anglais avec celui-ci, venez dire qu'il était raciste...http://vimeo.com/21365668
      Je contribue au Québec avec mon apport créole ! Pour ce qui est de parler anglais, it's not a problem, it's only because I prefer writing down in the official language of Québec, c'est-à-dire le français !

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    13. > Je contribue au Québec avec mon apport créole !
      Et nous vous en remercions.


      > Pour ce qui est de parler anglais, it's not a problem, it's only because I prefer writing down in the official language of Québec, c'est-à-dire le français !
      Sounds a little disingenuous seeing as how there's no shortage of French-language blogs you can write French on about this very topic.

      How about trying your skill in English on an English-language blog? You know, just to show respect (sic) to the overwhelming majority (sic) of this blog's readers. You can speak French in private (sic), but when you're here, how's about showing your good intentions (sic) by respecting (sic) our blog's culture (sic).

      P.S.: French is an official language of Canada.
      Seriously, I can't believe we actually let in space cadets like you.

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    14. Correction@04:35

      Mettre Jack Kerouac dans la section Canadien-français

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    15. Haïti chérie: Je contribue au développement de vos compétences linguistiques en français, bientôt vous pourrez communiquer avec le milieu dans lequel vous vivez. J'ai choisi le Québec parce que je voulais vivre en français, j'aurais pu allé en Ontario par contre, pas vraiment facile de vivre en français là, et c'est normal, la majorité de la population est anglophone, c'est donc elle qui impose la langue commune. Pour ce qui est du Québec, c'est la même chose, la majorité est francophone et c'est elle qui impose la langue commune, c'est tout. Lorsque je vais voir mes cousins à Toronto, je n'exige pas du serveur du restaurant de me parler français sous peine de recours pour atteinte à mes droits et bla bla bla...

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    16. Haiti,vous êtes un sage garçon pourvu d'un sens commun fort admirable.

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    17. Malheureusement pour vous, votre obstination s'avère inutile car je parle et j'écris déjà assez bien le français et l'anglais. Ceci à la différence de vous qui vous cachez derrière des admonestations aussi hypocrites que moralisatrices ayant pour but d'obnubiler le fait que votre anglais est franchement pourri. Vous avez pu bien choisir le Québec pour vivre en français, mais ça ne justifie en rien votre refus entêté de vous essayer en anglais sur ce blogue.

      Ou bien vous vous créez des règles au pif et quand ça ne vous va plus, vous redéfinissez le cadre pour éviter d'exposer votre ineptie. Ou bien vous en fumez du bon, ou bien vous vous prenez réellement pour un artisan de la paix tout en ignorant aveuglément les ramifications de vos propos.

      Montréal est exponentiellement plus bilingue que Toronto, donc votre discours déblatéré ne se tient pas debout. Faites de votre mieux là où vous vous trouvez. Voilà comment vivre.

      Une leçon pourtant si simple.

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    18. Interesting replies..

      "Par définition un Québécois c'est un francophone"

      Well I disagree, I think Un Québécois, c'est un résident du Québec, and I don't think language is related to nationality. I believe there's a very thin line there, where you could add religion, or race (as examples) onto that. You're already excluding people based on language, how far away is that from race or religion really? That's the point I was trying to make in my original post.


      "ALors écrivez donc dans chacune des langues de la planète si votre respect est si grand... Pourquoi seulement en anglais ?"

      I already answered that, but since it seems to be a hard concept to understand, here's the answer again: because it's an english blog.
      Please note that nobody is asking you to do the same however, before you jump to conclusions.


      @Haiti Chérie:
      Thanks for the reply. You're free to believe what you want, but you're definitely not going to convince me about their views or their convictions. There's nothing wrong with having different points of views though. You are correct, your culture is a contribution to this province and this country, part of what makes it so great in my opinion. I just don't believe that the group you support sees it that way, but oh well.
      I'd just like to leave you with Jacques Parizeau's (a very well respected figure among separatists) concession speech after the failure of the 1995 referendum:

      "C'est vrai, c'est vrai qu'on a été battus, au fond, par quoi? Par l'argent puis des votes ethniques, essentiellement."

      It's a good thing that you don't fit into that "ethnic vote" group...


      @Apparatchik:
      Thanks for the support. You seem to be one of the most reasonable posters on here. It's too bad that "reasonable" is unacceptable for some people...

      Have a good week everyone!

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  25. >Il est de Three Rivers,je crois.
    Désolé... j'ignorais que les trifluviens manquaient de culture. Moi qui croyais que des idiots, on peut facilement trouver ça n'importe où.

    >Je vous rappelle que ma définition est nettement plus claire que la vôtre.Quoique j'aurais pu ajouter : Francophile.
    Faites-moi plaisir et rappelez-moi donc quelle est votre définition des termes suivants:
    - Québécois
    - Francophone
    - Canadien-Français

    Prière d'illustrer les chevauchements et exclusivités mutuelles pour chacun. J'aimerais bien voir en quoi vos définitions sont plus claires et nettes que les miennes.

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  26. "Parce que c'est un blog avant tout en anglais, concombre..."

    Pas seulement ce blogue.Un peu plus et vous échapiez le fameux "Speak white!".C'est bien de se garder une petite gêne.

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    1. Ce blogue EST de langue anglaise bien que le Rédacteur tolère des échanges dans d'autres langues, en l'occurrence le français.

      Ça na rien à voir avec le "Speak White". C'est effectivement le même argument que vous tenez sauf à l'inverse: "vous êtes au Québec donc parlez français". Je n'ai fait que dire "vous êtes sur un blogue anglais alors pourquoi ne pas vous exprimer en anglais", d'autant plus qu'il y a des lecteurs d'ailleurs qui ne parlent pas notre langue. Mon commentaire passe en principe par l'encouragement, le vôtre par la coercition. Quand l'OQLF disaient qu'ils allaient encourager les entreprises à avoir au moins un générique en français, vous avez dit que c'était de la capitulation aux anglophones. En employant la même logique, le Rédacteur capitule-t-il aux francophones?

      Bande de mémères hypocrites, vous seppies. Et non, je ne me gène pas à vous mettre dans la boite.

      Je partage votre origine et je connais vos manigances. Je partage leur origine et je connais leur indifférence. J'en ai même une troisième qui s'en fout éperdument et en plus je parle encore 2 autres langues... Ce ne sont pas des leçons de langues ni sur comment vivre qu'il me faut.

      La seule chose dont il faut se gêner, ce n'est pas une sous-société où les habitants minoritaires sont fiers de leur propres façons de faire, mais qu'ils se font une fierté de faire toute la réingénierie de leur société alors que le simple respect égal de deux langues aurait suffi et aurait suscité beaucoup plus de respect de tous les bords.

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  27. "Prière d'illustrer les chevauchements et exclusivités mutuelles pour chacun."

    Je me demande parfois si les américains ont les mêmes questionnements existentiels au sujet de leur identité.

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    1. Moi je ne me pose pas de questions. Je suis fièrement Montréalais, Québécois, et Canadien.

      Mon Montréal ne cherche pas à se sortir du Québec. Et mon Québec est bien heureux au Canada.

      En plus, mon identité est plus complexe et va au delà d'une simple appartenance ethnonationaliste.

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  28. "How about trying your skill in English on an English-language blog? You know, just to show respect (sic) to the overwhelming majority (sic) of this blog's readers."

    Bonne occcasion pour eux de l'apprendre,non?Les Québécois n'apprennent-ils pas l'anlais à force de se le faire imposer?

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    1. Ainsi va le mythe. La réalité, elle, semblerait tout autre.

      Je doute fort que notre/nos commentateur(s) francophone(s) se montre(nt) réceptif à ma proposition.

      Et je crois savoir pourquoi. Leurs interventions reposent peu souvent sur la défense d'arguments fondamentaux, mais consistent à lancer des invectives de petit fin fin d'une seule ligne. En plus, c'est tellement plus facile lancer que défendre (français OU anglais), n'est-ce pas?

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  29. "Désolé... j'ignorais que les trifluviens manquaient de culture"

    Je ne crois pas non plus que ce soit un milieu reconnu pour son effervescence culturelle.

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  30. "En plus, mon identité est plus complexe et va au delà d'une simple appartenance ethnonationaliste."

    Alors je vous suggère d'allez sur un blogue de cuisine ou de tricot par exemple car ce blogue concerne les problèmes sociaux engendrés par la dualité linguistique canayenne.

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    1. Et moi je suis là pour prôner l'importance du bilinguisme tant personnel qu'institutionnel comme mesure palliative, au moins partiellement, à ces problèmes sociaux.

      Si par contre vous êtes trop endommagé pour comprendre cela, je vous suggère un séjour à l'institut Pinel. Quelques interventions, des médicaments, et des suivis professionnels pour des seppies comme vous touchés par des hallucinations, des pensées délirantes, et des épisodes maniaques ça vous fera du bien.

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    2. Et bien moi, je prône le multilinguisme personnel mais je ne veux rien savoir d'un bilinguisme institutionnel élargi. Pourquoi les institutions québécoises et celles oeuvrant sur le territoire du Québec devraient vous servir dans une autre langue que le français ? Vous le parlez et le comprenez et bien faites avec, c'est la langue majoritaire du territoire...

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  31. (français OU anglais)

    Comme si les anglos avaient besoin de se défendre...dites-moi monsieur Apparat...Sur quelle planète vivez-vous exactement?Les anglophones ne prennent pas déjà assez de terrain en amérique?Est-il si difficile pour eux d'accepter et de respecter une minuscule enclave francophone ou presque?

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    1. Les anglophones ne prennent pas déjà assez de terrain en amérique?Est-il si difficile pour eux d'accepter et de respecter une minuscule enclave francophone ou presque?
      Alors c'est ÇA votre affaire? Vous en voulez aux anglophones pour avoir mieux su comment envahir et voler ce continent aux amérindiens et/ou aux Français?

      Les francophones sont aujourd'hui minoritaires en Amérique à cause d'une guerre de procuration achevée pendant l'époque coloniale. Non mais c'est vraiment ridicule qu'on s'en tienne tellement à la langue d'un pays qui nous a abandonnés pour de la canne à sucre (allô Haïti!). Aucun respect pour ça; au moins les anglos ont développé un pays sur cette terre et ont introduit un système parlementaire -- ce que nos adorables cousins français s'empressaient (sarcasme) à nous donner.

      L'orgueil, la fierté, la nation, l'histoire, l'émotion, ça ne vaut un rien de rien pour moi, et pour un nombre croissant d'occidentaux. Ce sont des symbolismes qui ne font que cacher le vrai jeu des puissances mondiales. Les capitalistes continueront à se faire des millions pendant que les petites gens comme vous s'attardent à la langue ou aux autres éléments de leur identité. Je n'ai pas la même identité que mes grands-parents (quoique je partage plusieurs éléments distincts de chacun d'entre eux), et je ne voudrais pas que mes petits-enfants aient mon identité à moi..

      Ce débat qui rage depuis des lunes ne fait qu'assurer l'existence de nos curés, de nos politiciens, et de nos institutions religieuses et médiatiques. Ça a toujours été ces "hauts-dirigeants" là qui encourageaient le peuplement et qui aujourd'hui tirent la corde démographique - question d'accroitre leur propre influence. Ce sont les curés qui se sont alliés aux anglais et nous ont dit d'avoir une douzaine d'enfants et de connaitre une vie de misère et de pauvreté. Ce sont les Parizeau qui prêchent même un Québec unilingue francophone mais qui sont diplômés d'universités anglophones. Mais êtes vous tellement con au point de ne pas comprendre à quel point on se fait avoir par notre propre monde -- ce monde ben fin qui "nous ressemble"?

      Ce respect linguistique que vous revendiquez est lui aussi une chimère... ce n'est pas parce qu'on l'exige qu'on l'aura. Tôt ou tard, nous devrons finir par apprécier -- comme peuple -- notre situation stratégique -- Dieu sait que les Péladeau l'ont compris. Céline aussi.

      Qu'attendent les gens ordinaires?

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    2. Maîtres chez nous ! Vous êtes tellement habitué à vous promenez à genou que vous croyez que c'est la seule façon d'avancer. Étudier dans une université anglophone n'a aucun rapport avec la langue commune du Québec qui est le français. Vous mêlez tout sans distinction. Vous auriez dû naître anglophone, vous auriez été plus heureux...

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  32. "Parce que c'est un blog avant tout en anglais..."

    Le Québec n'est-il pas avant tout français?

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  33. Le Canada n'est-il pas avant tout anglais?
    Montréal ne s'anglicise-t-il pas, supposément?

    C'est quoi le rapport? Le site, les billets, et la majorité des intervenants sont anglophones. Essayez au moins une fois d'être moins détestable qu'à l'habitude...

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  34. Ridiculous exchange. This French clown and millions like him will be a relic very soon.

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    1. N'y comptez pas Monsieur...

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    2. "C'est quoi le rapport? Le site, les billets, et la majorité des intervenants sont anglophones. Essayez au moins une fois d'être moins détestable qu'à l'habitude"

      Quoi ce "pays"(sic) ne jouit-il pas deux langues officielles?

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  35. Le Canada n'est-il pas avant tout anglais?
    Montréal ne s'anglicise-t-il pas, supposément?

    le tour des régions ensuite.Qui est le plus détestable?Je vous le demande...

    Peut-être y a t-il des francophones d'autres pays aussi sur ce blogue, qui s'intéressent tout autant à la question de l'envahissement anglo que nous Québécois.Qu'en pensez-vous?

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    1. Haïti chérie dit : je veux t’enculer durement, ma p’tite biche séparatiste…

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  36. "This French clown and millions like him will be a relic very soon."

    Et c'est sorti de la sale gueule d'un redneck : SPEAK WHITE!!!!

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  37. "Haïti chérie dit: Ce ne sont pas mes propos mais bien ceux d'un péquenot (voir dictionnaire à la lettre P) qui se prend pour moi. En plus d'être disgracieux et tout simplement racistes, ses propos sont carrément ceux de quelqu'un qui mêle conversation politique avec sexualité ça ne peut-être qu'un cul (ou un trou du cul ?) qui est habitué à se fendre (c'est le cas de le dire :P)lorsque les propos émis ne sont pas ce que lui disent ses maîtres à penser ! Et rebelote... Cher Éditeur, j'espère que vous comprendrez les subtilités des propos émis à ce cher anonyme..."

    Haïti chérie dit : Cela peut sembler bizarre pour certains, mais sachez bien chers amis Anglophones et Francophones que je me réplique à moi-même parfois, car je suis un individu qui souffre gravement de dédoublement de personnalité, un trouble mental dégénératif qui affecte les macaque comme moi et donc me fait dire des bêtise comme je le fais à ce moment présent et comme toujours d’ailleurs…alors, svp, n’écoutez pas mon altère ego, car il ne dit que des sottises et de plus, Il vous essaye de vous faire croire que ce n’est pas moi(ou nous) qui se FEND LE CUL à écrire devant mon (ou notre) ordinateur…et oui, monsieur, L’éditeur, je vous aime même si je suis atteint de cet maladie qui affecte les gros nègres sans cervelle comme moi!!! Tant qu’à la lettre P que je referait au début de ce premier rince cochon, Je voulait que vous cherchiez les mots à caractères sexuelles dans le petit Larousse, telle Plotte,Penis, Pédé… les chose auxquelles que moi et mon altère ego, sommes obsédés

    "Haïtie chérie dit: Deuxième rince-cochon à cet anonyme qui utilise mon nom d'utilisateur. Et puis quoi, vous faites dans la biologie ou dans la sexologie ? Au lieu d'utiliser vos doigts pour compter et calculer, vous devriez vous les rentrer profondément dans le cul, ça vous éviterait des montées de chaleur et peut-être que ça vous ferait sourire un peu. Vous avez l'air, selon vos propos, d'un vrai connard de première ! Et ces insultes à la noix... Votre père est plus fort que le mien, je suppose ? hahaha :P"

    Haïti chérie dit : et oui, en me répliquant à moi-même, je me suis suggéré de me les foutre profondément dans MON cul car je suis présentement en période de chaleur et en quelque sorte et j’ai besoin de me trouver une sorte de méthode afin d’assouvir mes pulsions sexuelles car si je ne le fait pas, alors, je serai obliger d’aller me taper une guenon aux parc-safari ou bien que Press 9 et les autres seppies sur ces blogue….je veux les enculer profondément ces seppies et durement dans LE TROU-DU-CUl avec ma queue d’nègre de 17 pouces, d’ailleurs. Ils ont tellement irrésistibles quand ils son vêtues de leurs camisoles d’assister sociaux à L’allure de PÉDÉ encrassé de saleté vivant sous le seuil de la pauvreté de merde à la conne…
    Maintenant…à Troy, appartchicck, adski, lordechester et les autre féderaste qui me méprise profondément avec pur haine raciste de bloak, alors je vous dis : alakazou mamba apacadabra soune toutout witou nonou pffffffffffffffffffffffffff nunupoe mange ma zoune calice zazou nounou agenou sur mon cul et ensuite, vous allez voir que vous allez tous vous transformer en grenouilles, bande d’enfoirés hahahahahahaha

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    1. Tiens donc...Un outaouin!

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    2. @ Haiti cherie,

      You're a total nutcase!

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  38. Jesus Christ, a lot of comments this Sunday afternoon / evening? None of you people watched the NFL Conference Championships? They were great, down-to-the-wire games!

    Go Pats go!

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  39. One question for Haiti :

    Are you a Canadian citizen? If yes, why did you want to become a Canadian citizen? If no, you don't have any rights to vote, so please give us a break.
    If you plan to obtain a Canadian citizenship why bother, and not wait for a Quebec citizenship? Will you keep your Canadian citizenship if Quebec separates ( i doubt this will happen in 1000 years )? What if Canada decides to nullify your citizenship as a fresh quebecois? Wouldn't be like you emigrated from Haiti to .... Haiti? LOL

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    1. Haïti chérie dit : je suis un obsédé sexuel exhibitionniste à l’allure maniaco-dépressif souffrant de très grande dépravation sexuelle et je vous suggérais de vous taire si vous ne voulez pas que je vous défonce le trou du cul avec l’aide de ma grosse bitte de 17 pouces, ok…

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  40. Haïti chérie dit: Monsieur l'Éditeur, un pauvre demeuré utilise mon pseudonyme et fait preuve de vulgarité et de RACISME. À l'anonyme: ça ne berne personne puisque votre style d'écriture est plutôt du niveau de la fausse sceptique...

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  41. Haïti chérie dit: Ça doit bien emmerder quelqu'un car franchement ses commentaires truffés de fautes de français sont carrément vitrioliques et digne d'un vrai WASP, je pense notamment aux commentaires écrit par AnonymousJan 22, 2012 07:16 PM qui sont ceux d'un individu visiblement affecté et peu formé intellectuellement ! Hé Hé Hé ! :P

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    1. Haïti chérie dit : et cet individu visiblement affecté est moi, un gros N È G R E à cervelle d’autruche, qui à ce moment présent, se réplique à lui-même et qui souffre terriblement du syndrome de la tourette et d’illettrage sévère… Alors, si vous désirer me rejoindre, veuillez venir me visiter à ma demeure (fausse sceptique) qui s’appelle L’HAITI…

      Et à monsieur L’éditeur et mes autre amis fédéralistes et souverainistes, n’écoutez pas mon alter ego, il ne dit que des conneries pour vous induire en erreur… Alors, ne le laisser pas vous piéger dans ses mensonges….

      Je souffre de trouble psychologique et je ne sais plus qui je suis, tellement que je suis déchiré entre deux personne de mon psychique mental!!!!

      Gouba gouba babou babou

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    2. Haïtie chérie dit: Cher Anonyme Jan 25, 2012 02:29 PM, vous usurper mon pseudonyme et ce que vous concevez comme de l'illettrage, n'ayez crainte,prenez un dictionnaire, vous allez comprendre. Vous savez, ce qui ressemble à un prisme à base rectangulaire et qui sert à avoir les définitions de noms inconnus... Je vais continuer à répondre à vos simagrées :P

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    3. Haïti chérie dit: c’est quand alors que je vais me rende compte que je m’emmerde continuellement sans cesse à moi-même sur ce blogue…et depuis quand les haïtien ont-ils la capacité d’utiliser un dictionnaire???Sont-ils même au courant de l’existence de ces livres ??? Ont-ils une once de civisme et de connaisance en eux???

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    4. Halifax dit: Cher usurpateur du pseudonyme Haïti chérie en la personne de Anonymous Jan 25, 2012 03:09 PM, on incarne la grenouille qui voudrait être plus grosse que le boeuf (voir Fables de Lafontaine, c'est disponible en livre ou en ligne sur le web)? Ne vous méprenez pas, votre style littéraire est d'une pauvreté extrême. Arrêtez de faire le paon alors que vous n'êtes pas l'ombre d'un ! Et oui, les livres existent en Haïti, sortez de votre bungalow de banlieue et voyagez un peu. Ça décoince. Vous n'avez qu'à parler au Québécois, vous en apprendrez plus que vous croyez ! On écrase pas un mouche avec un ''buldozer'' cher anonyme ! Vous écrivez mal français mais bon, vous faites un effort plus que louable, c'est déjà plus que la majorité du blogue !:P

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  42. @ Haiti cherie,

    You call others racists and then use the term 'WASP' in the very next comment. What a hypocrite.

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    1. Halifax: We are sexual perverts ? :P

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