Ever since last May's federal election that drove the Bloc out of Ottawa, die-hard sovereigntists held onto the belief that the meltdown was a hiccup, an obstacle like so many others, with the project of Quebec independence remaining intact and inviolate.
Alas for them, circumstances dictate an alternate reality, one where Quebecers have given up on their forty year flirtation with sovereignty, where even those still willing to support the independence option admit that the project is no longer doable.
And so quite simply, the CAQ of Francois Legault is rising to replace the PQ as the natural alternative to the Quebec Liberal Party. It's a party that preaches nationalism without any threat of an actual referendum, something that is striking a chord with many Quebecers who wish to maintain a strong nationalistic front against Ottawa without any of the painful drama promised by hard-liner sovereigntists.
And so, many separatists, including defecting members of the PQ caucus, are moving over to the CAQ, something that Premier Charest is trying to exploit as an issue, calling the CAQ a separatist party in sheep's clothing.
The truth is rather the opposite, those separatists moving over to the CAQ are going to the safest place where they can go to give up their sovereigntist dream without sacrificing their pride.
In order to assuage the guilty consciences of these fallen sovereigntists, Mr. Legault has said that in the future, perhaps ten years, they might review the independence option, a convenient lie meant to make the painful transition more palatable.
What remains are the hard-liners in the PQ and their supporters who live in a fantasy world where they believe, that they can turn things around by pushing the sovereignty and referendum option even harder.
Its like a store raising its prices, in reaction to a market survey that indicates that consumers have rejected the company's products because they are already too expensive. Talk about disconnect...
The reality is that the PQ is out of leaders and out of options.
As the end approaches, we are treated to a frightening view of the real personality of the members of the Parti Quebecois, the selfish, cruel and incompetent fools who are clawing and fighting each other like pigs in a trough.
The opening salvo in the PQ war of independence was fired by the betrayers, the old guard who quit the party to sit as independents because the party leader couldn't produce a successful independence strategy, where quite frankly, none exists.
Led by the ugly duo of Louise Beaudoin and Louise Lapointe (Jacques Parizeau's wife) and supported by the very simple Pierre Curzi, the betrayal triggered an undisciplined food fight, with Marois served up as the main course.
Then, more betrayers and more defectors, tearful interviews and hand-wringing, the birth of the CAQ, all leading to the inevitable conclusion that the Parti Quebecois is circling the drain.
But reality is hard to accept.
Everybody within and everyone outside the party have suggestions as to how to right the sinking ship, the pages of vigile.net chock full of ideas that smack of flightful fantasy or desperation extraordinaire.
The final straw for the party is the now failed Duceppe gambit.
This desperate belief that if only Gilles Duceppe would take over from Marois, perhaps all could be saved, with party faithfuls telling each other that we federalsits would be quaking in our boots at the threat of so formidable an opponent.
This is of course, that very same Gilles Duceppe who just eight months ago led the separatists to their greatest electoral debacle ever. What galling fantasy to believe we'd be afraid.
And so in the fine tradition of the PQ, the knives were unsheathed by Marois supporters and Duceppe was gutted like a fish by a monger. Et tu, Pauline?
At least this time it was the hardliners feeling the hard edge of the blade.
The political tragicomedy continues to run unchecked with today's chapter, a blueprint published in the form of an open letter by the insufferable, Bernard Landry, the ex leader of the PQ.
Here he provides us with his valuable insight, a road map to lead Quebec out of the desert and on towards the promised land.
The solution- a quick referendum. Arghh...
The overwhelming reacting of Quebecers to his open letter? -Indifference....
While hardline PQers and their diminishing band of supporters piss and moan in public, their audience is gone.
The PQ isn't destroyed over infighting as we are led to believe.
The PQ is destroyed because sovereignty is no longer relevant.
It's over...
Ladies and gentlemen of the sovereignty movement, turn out the lights on your way out and please, don't let the door hit you in the ass as you leave.
Oh gosh darnit, Editor, does the end of the PQ and separation therefore mean the end of your blog? Are you saying the pur lainers are going to finally admit English and minorities DO have a welcome and legitimate place in Quebec? Will obligatory French schooling except for a few who fit a narrow definition be abandoned?
ReplyDeleteAre those CAQ-ers (pronounced: "kackers", a Yiddish word meaning farts, like "alta kackers" or "old farts") going to see the light and PRESTO, restore English language rights? Are they now, Editor?
My answer to that otherwise rhetorical question: SURRRRE THEY ARE...WHEN PIGS COULD FLY!
Yep. It's like celebrating because after decades you've finally rid your house of cockroaches, yet at the same time an infestation of bed bugs are moving in. One pest gone, but another even worse to replace it.
DeleteThe CAQ is just another variation of the PQ. Same one track mentality: must-eliminate-all-traces-of-English-from-Quebec. Only-pure-lain-Quebecois-are-welcome-in-the-nation-of-Quebec. They haven't even committed to abolishing referendums, just putting it on the back burner for a decade (if they so choose).
And the Quebec Liberals, exactly the same thing as the CAQ and PQ. Just a referendum is completely off their drawing board (everything else the PQ stands for, they stand for).
So pick: PQ with referendum now (vote PQ). PQ with referendum later (vote CAQ). PQ with referendum never (vote PLQ). It's like eating junk that all tastes bad and no matter which you choose, will always make you sick: PQ Classic, PQ Low-calorie, PQ Fat-free.
No matter who wins, we all lose. Quebec is forever doomed.
Quite right, Apple. CAQ is merely another PQ wolf in sheep's clothing. As for the Editor below, I see my CAQer moniker has caught on already!!! Why not? It's quite fitting!
DeleteI make no such claim. The CAQers are pretty much the same politically as the PQ, but without a referendum. Nationalism and the same French first policies will carry on. ...Plus ca change....
Delete(I've reset this comment under your post)
"It's like celebrating because after decades you've finally rid your house of cockroaches"
DeleteVous êtes très dur avec les anglos,ce sont des humains comme le reste des Québécois.
Mr.Sauga...Personally, I believe the Calqers will just neglect Bill 101 just like the liberal has so far. so therefore, no worries should be made right now.
DeleteTrès bon article... but please fix your typo ("cord" = "chord").
ReplyDeleteIt's not a typo. I've seen this misspelling before on this blog.
DeleteOk... well, at least "conscious" --> "conscience" then, please.
DeleteSo there are a few typos...big deal. I doubt the author has an editorial staff to check his spelling. His message is what counts.
DeleteI've corrected the typos, but would ask that you send me an email in the future.
DeleteOnce I correct the typo, your message looks badly out of place.
I have a bunch of very nice contributors who email me immediately over mistakes, which I correct ASAP. These people are respectful and are trying to make this blog better.I appreciate their efforts.
I am not a professional and aside from a spell-checker, have no editorial support except my wife.
Calling me out on typos sarcastically is a bit disingenuous, but I won't remove such comments when they are directed at me, I don't want to appear thick-skinned.
However, comments calling out fellow contributors over typos and language will NOT be published.
Ideas count....We are all trying.
I'm sorry that I sounded sarcastic. You are absolutely right. I should learn not to comment when I've been up late and am overtired. I have located your email and will use it in future so it won't happen again. Please feel free to go ahead and delete this thread; I would if I could. For what it's worth, I really do enjoy reading your articles and think you're doing a fantastic job. Keep up the good work!
DeleteLe Phénix est un oiseau magnifique,symbole par excellence du Mouvement Souverainiste du Québec.
ReplyDeleteN'est pas(sic) ?
Phoenix my %ss ...more like a filthy pigeon.
Deletehey Phil,more like bird crap actually!!
DeleteOn sait tous que la presse francophone ne fait jamais d'erreurs en anglais.
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DeleteUmm, no it isn't... and you're not helping things at all by making comments like that.
DeleteIls se sont corrigés pour leur faute... quelle horreur!
Deletehttp://www.ottawasun.com/2012/01/16/correction
Non, pas du tout.
ReplyDeletePetite pensée matinale:
ReplyDeleteQuelqu'un peut-il m'expliquer comment il est possible de vivre au Québec sans des connaissances minimales de français.Comment peut-on fonctionner à 100% dans un environnement dont on ignore la langue de communication?Really Weird...
Quel étrange "pays" que le canada...
101 ou 401,
DeleteMaybe because French language is fast becoming irrelevant in the business, cultural and social worlds?
Strange? Not strange. I offer myself as an example. I proudly live and work in Montreal with as minimum use of French as possible. Yet I live my life comfortably, better than most of those who just speak French. Back to your question, I do function well while 'ignoring' for most part other language than English - and my native language, of course.
So tell me, is there anything wrong with this picture?
"So tell me, is there anything wrong with this picture?"
DeleteLa contradiction:De quoi vous plaignez-vous si vous pouvez vivre en globish comfortablement à Montréal?
OQLF,
DeleteYou really are not that intelligent, are you?
I never complain about living my comfortably in Montreal. The problem I have is you and those like you trying to encroach the lives and the lifestyles of me, my family, my peers and those like us.
Voyez-vous troy,je ne suis peut-être pas intelligent comme vous le dite mais pas assez stupide pour aller m'installer,ma famille et moi,en alberta tout en espérant continuer à vivre et à nous épanouir en français.Lequel de nous deux est le plus idiot déjà?
DeleteLe peu de gens dont tu réfères ne fonctionnent pas à 100%, voilà c'est tout. Ce n'est pas "weird" et ni le Canada "étrange". Je crois que tu ne sais pas comment tu es chanceux de vivre au Canada. Si tu étais Breton ou Corse en France, par exemple, on n'aurait pas cette discussion.
DeleteOQLF,
DeleteOnce again you miss my point - which make me question your comprehension again.
Look, I am happy living in Montreal. In all likelihood I achieve more in my life that you do. And I do all of that with very minimum use of French. So, why you and people like you keep on bothering me and people like me?
L'histoire des francophones en Alberta et celles des anglophones au Québec n'est nullement semblable... ça suffit avec tes fausses comparaisons, pauvre con !
DeleteAnonymous at 18:34 (the time stamp is Pacific time?),
DeleteBe it as it may, why should I care? Is it my fault that the French language in North America is allegedly in peril? Why is it supposedly my 'duty' to strive for the preservation of French-American culture? Is it also my responsibility that globally French language is losing its importance as it was in the 18th - 19th century?
Um, Troy, I'm on your side, but why would you choose to live someplace that you don't care about? And who said it was your 'duty' to preserve anyone's culture? Of course it's not your responsibility to preserve French, but are you saying that all minority languages should disappear??
DeleteAnonymous at 19:01,
DeleteThere are some things about the place, of course, that compels me to live here. But my question is why is my living my life the way I choose is deemed wrong by the separatists? Why can we not just live and let live?
My respond is for 101 or 401 and OQLF. From their comments they imply that it is 'wrong' to live in Quebec without good understanding of French. My rebuttal is to prove otherwise. 101 or 401 even mentioned that that made Canada a strange place.
Again, my respond is to straighten the logic that they present here.
It's great to live here! But keep in mind that "101 ou 401" (so '70s!) and "OQLF" (ditto) are one and the same and not interested in live and let live...
DeleteQuelqu'un peut-il m'expliquer comment il est possible de vivre en Amérique du Nord sans des connaissances minimales de l'anglais? Comment peut-on fonctionner à 100% dans un environnement dont on ignore la langue de communication? Really Weird...
DeleteQuel étrange soi-disant "pays" que le québec...
Delete"Quelqu'un peut-il m'expliquer comment il est possible de vivre au Québec sans des connaissances minimales de français.Comment peut-on fonctionner à 100% dans un environnement dont on ignore la langue de communication?"
ReplyDeleteEven JF Lisee admitted that there aren't that many non-Francos in Quebec who don't speak French. Rather, his contention was that despite knowing French, these non-Francos still shun the majority in their personal lives.
I personally think that Francos can be blamed for this situation as much as non-Francos, and that JF Lisee is oversimplifying it by pointing his finger squarely at the non-Francos, but this is a subject for another discussion.
Editor: "The PQ is destroyed because sovereignty is no longer relevant. "
ReplyDeleteThis reminds of the late 1980's, when the collapse of the Soviet Union left the Republican Party without a raison d'etre. David Brock, a former Republican pundit turned whistleblower describes the panic that grasped the Republicans by their throats at that time in his book "Blinded by the Right".
Every political movement must have an excuse with which it justifies its existence, and when the excuse loses traction, the fear strikes. No more tv presence. No more quotations in the papers. No more prestige. No more power. No more limos and champagne. No more easy $$$.
The Republicans turned to fighting drug traffickers and opposing the country's "moral collapse" before 9/11 gave them a more powerful excuse. The question is: what is the PQ going to find. Because I see the panic, but I don't see a new excuse crystallizing anywhere.
"...but I don't see a new excuse crystallizing anywhere."
ReplyDeleteComme vous êtes impatient adski.De plus,la simple présence des anglos sur notre territoire n'est-elle pas suffisante?
Votre territoire??? May I ask, who gave it to you? And who gave it to them? The land is the medium that sustains all of us - not something that can be owned exclusively.
Delete"Votre territoire???"
DeleteLe territoire du Québec,Vous savez celui clairement délimité entre l'ontario et le Nouveau Brunswick,ce territoire-là.
@ OQLF: "votre territoire" ...stolen from the Natives. Don't forget that.
Delete"Notre territoire"??? Les anglophones sont ici depuis des siècles et ont grandement contribués à l'épanouissement du Québec... surtout pendant que les francophones étaient obsédés avec les séminaires et les couvents... j'en reviens pas comment tu es imbécile.
DeleteYour territory? I believe that point was settled in 1759.
Delete"De plus,la simple présence des anglos sur notre territoire n'est-elle pas suffisante?"
ReplyDeleteAnd Lisee dares to blame non-Francos for the lack of social cohesion. Totally oblivious to the anti-social culture of his own people.
J'aimerais que le Phénix apparaisse sur notre beau drapeau Fleurdelisé,le plus beau des drapeaux des amériques et fier symbole de liberté.
ReplyDeleteThere are some salvia trippers among us ... for sure it's something in the air today.
Delete"Quelqu'un peut-il m'expliquer comment il est possible de vivre au Québec sans des connaissances minimales de français.Comment peut-on fonctionner à 100% dans un environnement dont on ignore la langue de communication?"
The question can go either way: who can someone be successful in Montreal w/o knowing english ?
The Phoenix is a fantasy and so is Quebec independence, and the Quebec flag is nothing more than a fascist symbol.
DeleteI worked at a company where a fellow employee put human excrement in a Quebec flag, wrapped it up, and left it on his separatist bosses desk, LOL. That's the best use for the Fleur-de-lys.
Editor, aren't there any "like" buttons in Blogger?
DeleteQuebec independence is a disease.
DeletePhil, please don't say nonsense like this... it's not a disease, nor is it something desirable.
Delete"...and left it on his separatist bosses desk"
ReplyDeleteJ'imagine vous êtes partis en courant ensuite,chercant un endroit pour vous cacher.Sauf que,contrairement au canada,nous n'avons pas encore besoin de légiférer afin de protéger nos emblêmes Nationaux.J'imagine que le drapeau canayen a été victime à plus d'une reprise d'attaques sauvages de toutes sortes,y compris la substitution au papier hygiénique :)
"J'imagine vous êtes partis en courant ensuite,chercant un endroit pour vous cacher."
DeleteThat's an ironic statement coming from a Quebecois. You are well known for hiding (in the woods) during times of war, i.e. the First and Second World Wars. The French are not renowned for their bravery.
"Sauf que,contrairement au canada,nous n'avons pas encore besoin de légiférer afin de protéger nos emblêmes Nationaux."
You needed to legislate to protect your tacky language and culture, which are too weak to stand on their own. Both should be allowed to go the way of the dodo.
"J'imagine que le drapeau canayen a été victime à plus d'une reprise d'attaques sauvages de toutes sortes,y compris la substitution au papier hygiénique"
The Quebec flag is a blue rag that will inevitably be flushed down the toilet of history...
I feel embarrassed to respond to such a nonsensical comment... and yet I will do it anyway.
DeleteFirst of all, you are confusing Quebecers with the French. Second, the French (along with the British, Russians, Americans and others) have one of the greatest military histories in the history of mankind. Many other countries also had right-wing sympathizers (hello, Italy, Spain, Norwegian "Quislings", etc... including in the U.S.) without their sharing such a lengthy land border with the enemy as the French. Most French were at least, if not much more, shocked by by being invaded than were most Americans by 9/11 and traitors were dealt with appropriately.
"Tacky" language and culture?? Please tell me where you are from. French language and culture is one of the greatest contributions to mankind. Let's say that Danish (for example) is "too weak to stand on its own" in a global world (which I don't believe is true). You're saying that Denmark should go the way of the dodo.
Your flushing stupidity makes me feel even more embarrassed for having responded to you. You are a total idiot.
I agree with the post, but not the title. This makes for great entertainment....
ReplyDeleteWell, as I vacation in the warm weatheri decided to check in on the blog.
ReplyDeleteI suspect that the people in Quebec are becoming indifferent to referendums and sovereignty due to the fact that they see the handwriting on the wall. In short, people in the ROC no longer give a rats ass if Quebec stays or leaves. Politicians in Quebec realize this and have laid off on the blackmail that has been typical for the past 40 years. Simple as that. Continue with sovereignty and the ROC would likely call the bluff. This is becoming very evident.
eg. Harper appointing unilingual anglos to key government positions.
Power shifting to the West where French and Quebec is of little concern.
For me and many others, I could care less if Quebec stays or leaves. But if they decide to stay, then the special perks and equalization formulaes should be changed. The damn blackmail has gone on long enough. I think Reed Scowen has it right that Canada would be a much stonger country without Quebec (ball and chain).
Now, if we could only repeal the OLA and drop the special treatments given to Quebec, things would improve markedly in the ROC. Canada is far from a bilingual country and it is only the presence of Quebec that has cost of 100's of billions of dollars over the past 40 years. This money should have been directed to health care , eduation and other programs much more valuable.
Strange, was sitting on the beach the other day in Mexico. Everything was fine until a group of Quebecois came along and made their obnoxious presence known to all. Drank a lot of cervezas, ate a lot of seafood cocktails and in their intoxicated state proceeded to become loud, talking down to the waiters etc. Some people got up and left their chairs to avoid the noise. At the end of the day they complained about the prices and then never left the waiter a tip. Typical.
I have seen this classless behavior many times before. It not any wonder the Quebecois are not held in high regards in the countries they visit.
No surprise about your Mexico experience. Quebecers do carry with them an air of arrogance, rudeness and selfishness, particularly the separatist Quebecois. I've seen it locally, and when traveling abroad. Not just myself, but any friends or family who've encountered them when traveling.
DeleteI have a theory why this is. All successive Quebec governments have ALLOWED this province to violate not just the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, but international human right laws. The United Nations has proclaimed that Quebec is violating human rights and freedoms! The UN for christ sake! Yet somehow, Quebec continues to get away with it. The government of Quebec is like a bad parent, it is setting poor example for its spoiled rotten children (i.e. the citizens of Quebec). For the past 40 years it has been teaching its "children" corrupt morals, that they are superior to other human beings by race and birthright.
Is it any wonder we have out of control puppy mills, rampant animals abuse (sick pieces of sub-human garbage who shot dogs in the head with a nail gun, and then let off the hook?), corruption in the construction industry, government, hospitals, anti-English laws, just a completely broken and non-functional society in general?
When the Quebecois travel and encounter other people, they carry with them, that blessing if you will, that the government has sanctioned. You are superior to everyone else who is not pure-lain Quebecois, and for that, you have the entitlement to walk all over them. You are the master race so to speak.
I'm generally quite shocked how friendly and open people are when I visit Vermont, or walk into a store in Toronto. Even New York city, every person I'd talk to in public was friendly and warm. Even the police! Or ticket booth operators in the subway hah!
Yep, Quebec is quite different from the rest of the world. And not in a good way.
Sooo true! That's why I vacation on the West coast and avoid Florida like the plage because of obnoxious, loud and rude Québécois people.
Delete@ Apple IIGSJan 25, 2012 12:09 PM
DeleteThis is soooo true. Last summer I was in Maine, and there were plenty of québeckers. Very, very loud and rude - i.e. after ordering in a breakfast place, one family continued to make some rude comments toward the owner of the place, a very nice gentleman that was personally seeing to take their orders. One older couple was soooo loud, and was tabarnouche-ing so much, that the people next to them left. A bit embarrassing.
"This is soooo true. Last summer I was in Maine..."
DeletePortant un caleçon à carreaux et des bas bruns jusqu'aux genoux dans vos sandales...C'était donc vous!
Je me suis dit: Tiens donc,des disciples de Tim Horton sur la plage :D
En passant votre chapeau de cowboy sur la plage fait un peu trop canayen.
just for the record, the 401 highway has already extended itself to Montreal, so I guess there will be no need to move to Ontario then!
DeleteOh for Pete's sake! As if there aren't any arrogant, rude or selfish Canadians from outside Quebec... and as if the West Coast is full of nothing but classy and delightful people. Tourists are tourists, wherever you go... sheesh!!!
DeleteThanks a lot from the majority of us Quebecers who are more than happy to be part of Canada.
DeleteOMG! I've also seen lots of obnoxious Ontarians and Albertans (and *gasp* even Americans!) who drank lots of cervezas in Mexico and ate lots of seafood cocktails, became loud and didn't leave a tip... typical!
DeleteYeah! I know that certainly in Switzerland, Belgium and France, Quebecers are not held in as high regard as other Canadians are because... erm, now why was that again??
DeleteMaine you say. Likely old orchard beach where some québécois like. to hang out. 280 lb guy in a speedo holding a beer while smoking a cigarette with
ReplyDeleteHis 180 lb wife in tow with a string bikini. very attractive!!!
Moi j'aime ça en tout cas.Une femme bien grasse est une femme en santé.
DeleteYea they tend to be quite fertile.
Delete"No surprise about your Mexico experience. Quebecers do carry with them an air of arrogance, rudeness and selfishness, particularly the separatist Quebecois."
ReplyDeleteUn jour je vous souhaite d'avoir,ne serait-ce qu'une seule journée,l'expérience et la joie que procure le fait d'appartenir à un peuple supérieur,une société distincte.
No education (French Quebecois has the highest drop out rate in North America, mais non?). Slack jawed hillbillies with your Joule slang and ear perceiving speech. And rotted teeth and overweight from eating poutine, Pepsi and May Wests. Rude, obnoxious and loud. Superior indeed mon amie.
DeleteUnless being a redneck hillbilly est à un peuple supérieur.
Pauvre Pépé,visiblement vous ne fréquentez pas les bonnes personnes :)
DeleteThanks for nothing, Pepe Le Pew... Now I have to agree to agree with that regressive idiot "101 ou 401"
DeleteHaïti chérie dit: Je ne crois pas que le mouvement soit mort puisque le niveaux d'appui à la souveraineté est stable à environ 40 %.
ReplyDeleteHaïti chérie dit aussi : En passant, madame Marois demeura toujours une idole et un sexe symbole à mes yeux. Je trouve que cette déesse politique est la plus humble et la plus intelligente que le Québec ait jamais connus. Elle dégage et possède qqch de ``wild`` et d’excitant, jusqu’a un point d’ éjaculer jusque au plafond de ma petite cabane en Haïti…ah, je m’imagine parfois que je suis tout seul avec elle sur une plage, où je la vois étendue en bikini, avec les poils blonds de ses aisselles qui ressorts quand elle a ses bras tout grands ouverts, me disant `` vient mon beau gorille sauvage, vient voir matante``…cela me fait bander comme un étalon noir et je la désire profondément… Pauline, ma petite poule dorée
DeleteElles est la dulcinée du Québec….grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Haïti_QC dit: Je ne sais pas qui est le type qui est Anonymous Jan 25, 2012 03:38 PM mais il se fait passer pour quelqu'un qu'il n'est pas... Mais bon, ça m'amuse et je lui dit que je continuerai à venir écrire sous divers nom puisqu'il m'empoisonne virtuellement avec ces propos à caractère sexuel. Probablement un gars sans vie sexuelle ! :P
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DeleteDessalines dit: Et bien nom, c'est plutôt les budgets d'aide donnés aux amis du régime dont le Canada se fait complice !:P
Deletein this context, it's "Non" not "Nom"
DeleteC'est vrai que les anglocanadiens et les étatsuniens sont reconnus pour leur excellente cuisine et leur taille de guêpe !
ReplyDeleteHahahahahahaha!
DeleteVoir les vidéos des clients de chez Wal-Marde sur YT...Des monstres de mauvais goût et de laideur.
Les anglos sont littéralement des mangeux de merde.Voir comment McDonald fabrique les croquettes de poulet sur YT.La poutine devient littéralement un plat santé comparée à cette merde.
DeleteOkay dumbass, what about Poutine? Sugar pies? Tourtiere? .... aren't they part of the Quebecois gastronomy? Not exactly health conscious foods.
DeleteCuisine traditionnelle, vous connaissez ? It's like roastbeef in UK... La tourtière et la tarte au sucre et même la poutine, si on abuse pas, y'a pas de problèmes ! Comment s'appellent les mets typiquement canadiens encore ? :P
DeleteDes mets canadiens ???
DeleteProbablement des mets américains mais en un peu plus fade.
Définir c'est quoi un canayen,c'est déjà pas mal.
Demandez à Tim (horton) la définition d'une excellente cuisine.Le grand chef canayen qui tient une place d'honneur dans le guide Michelin.
Delete"Définir c'est quoi un canayen,c'est déjà pas mal."
Deletehow about we start defining what a low-life loser like you(who probably has a sponge of poutine as a functioning brain in between the ears)is first???
OQLF : Chicken Mc Nuggets used to be made with mechanically separated meat (meat paste) but that's not the case any more; they're much healthier these days. Get your facts straight.
DeleteComme si le Québécois se garrochaient pas sur les Wal-Marts et les McDos comme tout le monde... ostie que t'es hypocrite, Seppie/OQLF!!!
DeleteBen oui, le pâté chinois, les hotdogs steamés (pardon, les chiens chauds à la vapeur) et la poutine, c'est tellement de la cuisine excellente... ostie que t'es con!!
Delete"Wal-Marts et les McDos"
DeleteL'honneur revient à ceux qui ont créé ces monstres de mauvais goût.
Vous osez comparer une tourtière avec les croquettes de "poulet" de McDonald?Ça va pas la tête?
ReplyDeleteWhy are you always trying to compare English Canadians to Americans?
DeleteAnd yea your Tourtiere-thing is disgusting. I wouldn't feed this crap to my dog.
"Why are you always trying to compare English Canadians to Americans?"
DeleteVous avez raison,c'est comme si on comparait un castor avec une dinde.
"I wouldn't feed this crap to my dog"
Vous avez le droit de posséder un chien?
yes we have the right to own a dog like you Jute Un Trou
DeleteHaïti chérie dit : JE T’AIME PAULINE, JE VAIS TE FAIRE L’AMOUR COMME PERSONNE NE TE L’A JAMAIS FAIT… TU VERRAS QUE LA SATISFACTION QUE JE TE FOUNRIRAI, SERA GARANTIE ET GRAND.
ReplyDeleteChénier dit: Hi Hi, vous êtes un petit coquin vous !
DeleteChénier dit: Le transfuge d'Haïti chérie perd les pédales je crois ! Regardez un portrait de sa majesté la Reine du Canada, ça devrait vous refroidir les ardeurs ! Et vlan petit comique :P
DeletePauline est probablement une tigresse au lit comparée à la vieille anglouille.
DeleteDesssalines dit: Cher usurpateur, on écrit ''grande'' car l'adjectif s'accorde avec le nom commun ''satisfaction''. :P
DeleteDessalines dit: Je suis Michel Louvain et je suis le plus grand chanteur du monde entier!!
DeleteHaïti chérie dit : Sa majesté aussi dégage un ardeur coriace et sensuel, tout comme POPO !!!
ReplyDeleteHalifax dit: Chacun ses goût cher anonyme, transfuge et imitateur de pseudonyme AnonymousJan 25, 2012 04:26 PM... :P
DeleteHaïti chérie dit : que ce soit moi, Halifax ou Chénier, nous sommes tous la même personne qui utilise différents pseudonymes
DeleteDessalines dit: Et bien, je vois une différence de style entre le premier et les deux derniers...:P
DeleteDessalines dit: en passant,je suis une grosse pédale en manque
DeleteToussaint Louverture dit: :P
DeleteJames Wolfe says: wherever you are, I am never too far away!keep that in mind!!
DeleteHalifax dit: Cher usurpateur du pseudonyme Haïti chérie en la personne de Anonymous Jan 25, 2012 03:09 PM, on incarne la grenouille qui voudrait être plus grosse que le boeuf (voir Fables de Lafontaine, c'est disponible en livre ou en ligne sur le web)? Ne vous méprenez pas, votre style littéraire est d'une pauvreté extrême. Arrêtez de faire le paon alors que vous n'êtes pas l'ombre d'un ! Et oui, les livres existent en Haïti, sortez de votre bungalow de banlieue et voyagez un peu. Ça décoince. Vous n'avez qu'à parler au Québécois, vous en apprendrez plus que vous croyez ! On écrase pas un mouche avec un ''buldozer'' cher anonyme ! Vous écrivez mal français mais bon, vous faites un effort plus que louable, c'est déjà plus que la majorité du blogue !:P
DeleteHalifax dit: en passant je n’ai jamais sorti de mon petit iles et Je suis loin d’être cultivé hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhah
DeleteHalifax dit: Cher usurpateur du pseudonyme Haïti chérie en la personne de Anonymous Jan 25, 2012 03:09 PM, on incarne la grenouille qui voudrait être plus grosse que le boeuf (voir Fables de Lafontaine, c'est disponible en livre ou en ligne sur le web)? Ne vous méprenez pas, votre style littéraire est d'une pauvreté extrême. Arrêtez de faire le paon alors que vous n'êtes pas l'ombre d'un ! Et oui, les livres existent en Haïti, sortez de votre bungalow de banlieue et voyagez un peu. Ça décoince. Vous n'avez qu'à parler au Québécois, vous en apprendrez plus que vous croyez ! On écrase pas un mouche avec un ''buldozer'' cher anonyme ! Vous écrivez mal français mais bon, vous faites un effort plus que louable, c'est déjà plus que la majorité du blogue !:P
ReplyDeletetu trouve ??? moi je qualifie la qualité de mon français écrit plutôt bon et non comme étant carrément médiocre si tu veux savoir mon avis… toi, je dirait que tu te fit probablement encore sur ta mère pour venir t’aider à composer et corriger tes textes que tu émet sur ce blogue..en fait, je dirais plutot qu’elle n’est pas assez intelligente pour t’aider, vue qu’elle vient probablement d’un milieu défavorisé en Haïti...peut-être un tuteur??
En tout cas, la façon que je te voie aller, m’indique que tu n’a pas de vie vue que tu passes tes journée entières sur ce blogue et ca, franchement, ca me porte à croire que tu es probablement un loser, un ``fils de pute`` ou un `accident de parcours` qui a pas le cœur d’aller circuler des résumé pour te trouver de l’emploi. Qu’elle honte à la société CANADIENNE !!!!
Oui, c’est vrai que vient sur ce site de temps en temps et que j’ai gaspillé mon temps ce soir pour écrire des niaiseries, en espérant de voir des réactions de ta part mais au moins, ch’ passe pas 24hrs par jour comme toé…j’une vie calice !!!!
Tous ces crisses de pseudonymes indiqués ci-dessous.
Haïti chérie
Halifax
Damien
Press 9
Chenier
Desseline
101 ou 401
Michel Patrice
OQLF
Seppie
Juste un trou d'eau
Toussaint Louvertur
And the list goes on………….sont toutes le même crisse de gars qui a échoué dans sa P`tite vie à marde
in other word: A N E P I C F A I L U R E, AND A B I G T I M E L O S E R
And would you agree with me Mr. the editor that all the names above are all the same guy.
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DeleteEffectivement.Agressif le p'tit bonhomme...
Deleteen passant Manou,tu devrais ajouter qques R à ton pseudo,il aurait l'airrrrr plus réaliste MDR rrrr!
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ReplyDeleteWhat did I do?
DeleteUn peu de retenu Trouille!C'est un défouloir.Haiti par sa couleur de peau semble énerver quelques rednecks,voilà tout.
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ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orkioiWT-zM&feature=related
DeleteDire la vérité c'est raciste maintenant?Qui a voté massivement avec une telle concentration contre la Nation Québécoise?
Deletethe concept of the nation quebecoise is increasingly shrinking and in 60 years, your "offsprings" will not be aware of it.
Deletesorry to break the news, loser chien sal
"your "offsprings"" Va devoir bientôt aller en ontario pour apprendre l'anglais.Les écoles anglos ferment leurs portes à un rythme alarmant...sorry to break yhe news...retard :)
Deleteand what about your language...does it even stand a chance of survival???
Deleteanyway, we don't need to worry about the state of English in Montreal since you keep saying that the city is re-anglicizing itself...we can then feel reassured that it will survive...
Ce sera,disons-le,un peu plus compliqué...:)
DeleteEt t'es fier de ton comportement honteux... tabarnak, que tu fais honte au Québec.
Delete"... tabarnak, que tu fais honte au Québec"
DeleteEt vous au français.
"Qui a voté massivement avec une telle concentration contre la Nation Québécoise?"
ReplyDeleteImmigrants :). And they will defend Canada again, if let's say, a referendum will be organized in the next 10 years. After 10 years, votre nation quebecoise will perish...
You can be racist at home, but when you are a public figure like the old fart from my clip above, you should be intelligent not to show your racism..
There is no chance in hell for you to separate from now on. Logically, it's impossible. You are done.
It's time to focus on economy and how we can bring back investors to Quebec.
"Immigrants :). And they will defend Canada again"
ReplyDeleteAlors,allez vivre au canada si vous l'aimer tant, pas au Québec!
"Quebec is Canada last time I checked..."
DeleteCombien de fois par année faites-vous la vérification?
@101 ou 401
DeleteWouldn't be better instead of "101 ou 401" to call you "Canada ou France" ? You told us you love Le Pen, so go...what keeps you here? La Nation Quebecoise will sink deep together with your "dame de beton".
N'ayez crainte le mouvement LePen,actuellement de plus en plus populaire selon les derniers sondage devrait avoir une certaine influence sur la Nation Québécoise...Comme à l'habitude.
DeleteLes immigrants sont la sources de graves problèmes partout en Europe...
"Combien de fois par année faites-vous la vérification?"
DeleteNo as much as you do : :) :) :). And I don't cut my veins after that.
Vive l'exploitation des sols Québécois!
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DeleteTo Froggy;
DeleteHitler comments almost always get tossed
K, sorry.
DeleteFroggy a effectivement le "nazi" facile.Je crois qu'il ne sait absolument pas à quoi il fait référence.Dès que nous critiquons un immigrant,nous sommes des nazis...On se calme!
ReplyDeleteIsn't the H person the representative figure for racism? Coming from Europe, i have more knowledge about H than you...
DeletePreparation H ?
Delete:), good one.
DeleteI think Montreal economic community should raise a red alert. In these several weeks alone:
ReplyDelete1. Air Canada is going to move its call center operation from Montreal to Toronto.
2. A clothing company (which name escapes me) is closing down after decades in operation.
3. GE dryer manufacturer in the East End is shutting down.
The writing is on the wall. Between the ridiculous language and labor laws, high taxes and strong Canadian dollar, Montreal is losing its competitive advantage really fast. If those separatist powers keep on thinking about separation and / or language matters, their feet are so far from the ground, they should apply to join NASA.
Nous en prenons bonne note monsieur Troy.Merci pour votre précieuse collaboration et soyez assuré que nous ferons l'impossible afin de nous auto-exterminer même si l'ontario connait une situation économique pire que le Québec.Attendez un instant... Cette province n'est-elle pas presque totalement anglophone?Y'a quelque chose qui cloche...
DeleteThose seppies clearly don't have the idea what they have brought upon Quebec and themselves. they should just quit turning a blind eyes on what they have done so far and give up their their outdated political stance because it is getting increasingly ridiculous and people are getting fed up with their nonsense and not to mention, that jobs are currently put on the line in Montreal because of those sacks of oozing diarrhea shit...I hope those son of a bitches burn in hell and pay the price for all the torts they have committed up until now. I hate them with passion
Delete101 ou 401
Deleteyou can surely expect that we will eliminate all seppies like you, so we can then rebuild what has been damaged for the last 40 years...
People like you will be no more in the next 10 years and in 50 years from now, french speakers will only represent half of the provincial population. and keep in mind my friend that you have auto-destructed yourselves with your pride and low birth rate, thus people of your kind will be evaporated for good..
101 or 401,
DeleteSo tell me, what is the concrete economic plan that the separatist movements have presented? What steps are / will be implemented to reverse the tide?
As for Ontario, are you sure that you are referring to the correct current information?
Look at the data for 2010. Ontario GDP per capita = $46 304, Quebec GDP per capita = $40 395.
http://www40.statcan.gc.ca/l01/cst01/econ15-eng.htm
http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo02a-eng.htm
"Look at the data for 2010"
DeleteNous sommes en 2012!
101 ou 401
Deleteexactly, we're in 2012 and you should stop hoping for a third referendum because most people have grown out of that stupidy an clearly don't give a shit about it anymore...
101 or 401,
DeleteWe are in 2012 indeed. And do you seriously think that in 2011 alone Quebec managed to overtake Ontario GDP / capita?
Please, stop insulting my, our intelligence. Please come up with a well-thought and factual rebuttal if you think that my opinion is wrong.
4. Electrolux in L'Assomption is shutting down, 1300 jobs will be lost.
DeleteA few weeks ago it was also announced a pharmaceutical research plant in Montreal was closing down. Or remember that American company that closed its Montreal call-center overnight leaving hundreds employed? Announcements like these are so routine I cannot keep track. I think major jobs losses in Montreal are more common than major snow falls these days!
Two of my previous jobs were lost because the US companies were temporarily lured to Quebec with promises of tax breaks. As soon as those offers expired, the companies pulled out and moved to other provinces. They just don't want to deal with all the language law crap here, among other things.
And if anyone thinks the CAQ will turn things around, think again. They want to strengthen Bill 101, restrictions to English schooling, and stirring up all the "US vs them" mentality that has literally choked this province to death. All fine by me, Quebec deserves what it gets at this point.
"Or remember that American company that closed its Montreal call-center overnight leaving hundreds employed?"
DeleteAprès avoir pris connaissance de la nouvelle,la ville américaine ou ils ont tenté de se réinstaller ont refusé de les accueillir.Bang!
"I hate them with passion..."
ReplyDeleteC'est une passion qui est très réciproque.
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Delete"why don't you just go get an education, you runt"
DeleteParceque je n'aurais plus le temps de faire chier les anglouilles.
Bang!
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DeleteNous offrons donc de bons cours de francisation pour nos chers immigrants...Bravo!
DeleteCependant il n'y a pas de trait d'union (-) .Voici ce qui est conforme : parce que :)
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Deleteit's been "pitoyable" ever since you seppies came to be!!!
Delete"...and keep in mind my friend that you have auto-destructed yourselves with your pride and low birth rate, thus people of your kind will be evaporated for good"
ReplyDeleteÇa fait 400 ans qu'on l'entend celle-là.Pourriez-vous trouver quelque chose de nouveau et surtout de plus original?
ok, so yo want to hear something else then, how about we say, "you are losing ground and we are taking over". Does this meet with your convenience now???huh???
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ReplyDelete"you can surely expect that we will eliminate all seppies like you, so we can then rebuild what has been damaged for the last 40 years"
ReplyDeleteAllez donc reconstruire l'ontario avec vos frères anglos.Lorsque nous aurons besoin de vos services nous vous appellerons.
Don't call us,we'll call you!
"no we will stay here and obliterate your fucking movement and ship you back to France, where you truly belong"
ReplyDeleteBla bla Bla bla...Bla bla...Bla...
Vas donc te chercher un sixpack de Donuts chez Tim,ça va te calmer un peu.
Bla bla Bla bla...Bla bla...Bla...Aucun parti politique,4 losers à la manifestation contre la loi 101...Bla bla bla...
"you are losing ground and we are taking over"
ReplyDeleteEt on va refaire un grand "clean up" comme en 1976.
Hahahahaha!
Le clea-up est déjà commencé,nous fermons pas mal d'écoles anglos.Le rythme va bon train...À ce rythme-là,disons d'ici 4 ou 5 ans,il ne devrait pas en rester beaucoup,peut-être une dizaine tout au plus :)
DeleteAllez donc reconstruire l'ontario avec vos frères anglos.Lorsque nous aurons besoin de vos services nous vous appellerons.
Deleteexactly, we will separated Montreal&surrounding areas from Quebec and annex it to Ontario, so we can actually make it happen!!!
Et on va refaire un grand "clean up" comme en 1976.
you wish, but it won't happen!!!! however, if you dare to cross the line, then we will be forced to cut off all of your transfer payments and make you starve...then we'll see if your going to keep up carrying out your arrogant crap.
"if you dare to cross the line, then we will be forced to cut off all of your transfer payments and make you starve..."
DeleteNous ferons comme certaines races :Nous mangerons des chats,des chiens et des rats...Gare à vos fesses!
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Delete"doesn't sound nice to know that your pur-laine race is already in peril???"
DeleteBravo!Vous venez de comprendre les enjeux politiques?Vous êtes nouveau au canaya n'est-ce pas?
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Delete"only few french-speaking Quebecois care about the situation....most of them don't!!!!"
DeleteSi c'était la cas,ce blogue n'existerait pas...english speaking canayan.
yeah but this site was conceived to observe the situation of your dying movement to see how it would end up as a result and which will be no more in the next 10 to 30 years from now... and yes, most Quebecois don't give a damn about your fading movement, you are only a minority of seppies that is bound to disappear, no matter what your attempts are to come back...
DeleteLa disparition des seppies entraînera avec elle la disparition du reste des Québécois.
Deleteanything to convince qubecers that they cannot live without those bloody seppies, this is outrageous...it'd be like saying that if the Nazis disappeared, the German people would cease to exist shortly after...PURE rubbish and PURE bullshit... I qualified this as propaganda being made obnoxiously and intentionally. it's grave and ridiculous.
DeleteUn séparatiste sommeille dans chacun des Québécois,c'est viscéral,inné et inévitable.L'instinct de survie est un instinct très puissant.
DeleteMon dieu, que tu fais pitié, Seppie/OQLF.
DeleteDonc, assimiler les francophones est une horreur mais si le Québec assimile ses minorités, tout va bien... évidemment, il n'y a aucune contradiction!
Delete"Donc, assimiler les francophones est une horreur mais si le Québec assimile ses minorités, tout va bien... évidemment, il n'y a aucune contradiction!"
Delete6M vs 350M en amérique.Qui a le plus à perdre?En passant,je ne suis pas OQLF.
@ Seppie,
Delete"En passant,je ne suis pas OQLF."
You're a bloody liar. You most certainly are OQLF, 101 ou 401, Juste un trou d eau, Anonymous and other pseudonyms. Your comments are very distinctive.
I'm in agreement with Troy. I can't believe the Editor is allowing these one-line garbage posts, which are damaging his blog.
"Le clea-up est déjà commencé,nous fermons pas mal d'écoles anglos"
ReplyDeleteEt ça c'est du concret vérifiable et actuel!Pas comme ceux qui rêvent d'annexer Montréal à l'ontario
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DeleteDonc tu es fier du nettoyage ethnique? Tu fais honte au Québec!
Delete"Donc tu es fier du nettoyage ethnique?"
DeleteTout à fait.Pas vous?...Tu fais honte au Québec!(J'aime parler au nom de l'ensemble des Québécois et présumer qu'ils sont d'accord avec mes propos)
"no we will stay here"...Et seront obligés de nous conformer aux lois linguistiques du Québec.
ReplyDeleteHéhé!
let me ask you a question, are you drunk on poutine or buzzed up on labatt 50???
ReplyDeleteUn savant mélange des deux.L'amalgame de ces deux produits me procure une joie indéfinissable :D
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ReplyDeleteWhat's with the recent comments? Very productive/useful discussion, on both sides...
ReplyDelete"I think Montreal economic community should raise a red alert."
People in the entire province need to wake up, and fast. Even though most of you commenting have only mentioned the language issues, which definitely can't help to make us competitive, I think there are many other serious factors, unique to this province, which are only going to worsen our economic situation over the next few years.
I've mentioned it in previous comments I've posted, but unions and the power they are given in this province has got to be one of the main factors pushing businesses to set up shop elsewhere. Unless they're exploiting our natural resources, why would any company want to come lose money in this province? How many distribution centers are just outside Quebec, to avoid all the problems with our unions and union laws?
The CSN are currently trying to unionize convenience stores... The FTQ used terrorist acts and held the entire construction industry hostage to protect their corruption, with no consequences. Unionized aluminum factory workers in Alma, most of which don't have a high school diploma, making on average 35$/hour, still aren't happy; they don't want any outside labour, ie: cheaper and much more productive.
There's also the state of our infrastructures and transportation network. Because PQ governments refused to invest in our future (schools, hospitals, roads), we're now suffering the consequences. Not only are our bridges and overpasses crumbling, but our highway network is exactly the same as it was 20 years ago. We've only started to expand and improve it over the past few years, with new bridges and new highways. It's going to take us a very long time to catch up.
If you were a business owner, would you want to come here?
Editor, I'm not sad at all that the separatist organizations are dying. Selfish, racist extremists have used René Lévesque's ideas for a greater province to their own means, and have slowly destroyed it in the process. We're all left to suffer the consequences, and we're led to believe this behavior or way of thinking is normal.
What's worse, is that given the chance, they'd want to destroy it even more! Just look at Bernard Landry.. the man can't even admit that there are more important issues to work on, he claims we need another quick referendum. How much would that cost us, and how many more businesses and jobs would we lose in the process?...
Good riddance, thank you Pauline Marois.
we should just split Quebec in half...one side for the seppies and the other for the feddies(which include Montreal&areas).
DeleteTree Stump,
DeleteI am afraid that the economic decline now will be worse than that in late 70s and 80s.
After the exodus of companies in that era, Quebec economy stabilized after has been substantially dropping. The companies that stayed did so for various reasons. Political pressure, too big a cost to move, appeasing to francophone market, not bothered by the new laws, among others. Those companies still could conduct their businesses from within Quebec.
There are shifts in the environment I think that make the model that was sustainable from 80s to 2000s is not anymore.
First is the emerge of newly industrialized powers in Asia, notably China and India. Our biggest market is RoC and USA, and with the emergence of those powers the interests of the market move there.
Second is the strong Canadian dollar. Doing business in Canada is not competitive anymore. For companies headquartered in USA, it is cheaper to pull their operations back there rather than here.
Third is the advance in information and telecommunication technology. Before, many activities targeted for francophone community need to be done in Quebec. With the technology, the same activities can be done remotely. Prime example of this is our good friend the Mississauga Guy.
There is no loyalty in money. Companies do not really care about politics. They care about their top line and bottom line. While by staying in Quebec the top line may be the same, the bottom line certainly is not. If the leaders of the community do not do something about it... well I do not know how deep we can go.
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DeleteThat's the right idea: there is a unilingual English Canada, a Unilingual French Canada and a bilingual Canada. I think Canadians who are happy or at least comfortable living in a bilingual place should stick together, from Ottawa to West Montreal and Brossard. You can call that (in Australian fashion) Canadian Capital Territory or, even more ambitiously, Province du Canada (hey, if there is a Quebec City you can have a Canada Province too!).
Now for my medication... :-)
"we should just split Quebec in half...one side for the seppies and the other for the feddies(which include Montreal&areas)"
ReplyDeleteQuel est votre plan d'attaque?Par ou allez-vous commencer? :D
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DeleteVous pouvez avoir l'Abitibi, Chibougamau, Matane et le lac St-Jean. On aura le Pontiac, Gatineau, les Cantons de l'est et Bonaventure. Ça fait ton affaire? On pourra en discuter.
DeleteBon c'est clair.Reste à confirmer l'approbation de l'ensemble des Québécois.
DeleteBonne chance! :D
Excellent analysis by Quebec historian, Conrad Black.
ReplyDeletehttp://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/11/26/conrad-black-how-the-roc-bought-off-quebec/
The thing is everyday I see that english is used more and more...so whatever Seppie, OQLF & co are writing here does not matter. The life is going it's way...
ReplyDeleteSo they are trolling, bitchin' and they are trying to get on our nerves, and in some cases they are successful. Nevertheless, in real life the demographics are changing every day, english in Montreal is starting to thrive, ...
The smart francos will not push away Canada not now not in 100 years. It's to comfortable to be canadian.
... to bad the economy is going down.
So you see, nobody will stole your dreams, they will shatter by themselves.
regarder le PQ passer son agonie atroce est un peu beaucoup à prendre Vacation Accrual.
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