The Canadians head coach, Jacques Martin, was subject to a rather vicious rant by a reader who was outraged that he organized a golf tournament outside Quebec.
Hmm.... Perhaps the tournament was held there because Mr. Martin is a Franco-Ontarian and Rockland is his home town? LINK"Why did this man hold his golf tournament in Rockland, Ontario, Canada. Are we missing golf courses in Quebec, or is it just because some people prefer English Canada and fuck you francophones!!"
Montreal Blacks deserve to be profiled by police
It wasn't a great surprise that an internal study conducted by the Montreal police themselves, found that the police force systemically targets Blacks for random stops at a rate up to eights times higher than whites. LINK
For columnist Richard Martineau, the fault lies with the Blacks themselves. "Do Blacks wearing a suit and tie get hassled?" he asks in his blog. According to him, Blacks deserve to be stopped because of their hip-hop dress. Link
I wonder if Mr. Martinaeau would care to comment on the incident involving two Montreal Alouette football players who were stopped in the their late model SUV for the crime of "DWB"(driving while black.) LINK
Or how about a Black school teacher who was roused by police for no reason while waiting in a car for his friend who went into a restaurant to pick up pizza. LINK
Every time an incident like this occurs, the police invariably make up an excuse about the victim. He was "aggressive," uncooperative," "suspicious," "driving badly," "tail light." blah, blah, blah.. In the case of the school teacher, the police said that the car had no license plate, but the temporary tag was pasted in the window of the car where it was supposed to be.
When the police act so stupidly, it's fair to attack their credibility under oath. I'm surprised that no defence lawyer hasn't tried to discredit a cop's testimony on the basis of their general untrustworthiness. Targeting Blacks is a fact of life, lying about it is another. The Montreal police need a cultural change and they need to start telling the truth.
Worst language complaint about a sign
Over the years, I've seen and heard a lot of complaints about English signage, but alas this one takes the cake.
"Cimetière Côte-des-Neiges, 31 juillet 2010.
"One of the many reservoirs for watering flowers placed at the disposition of those visiting the departed.
"Even in a cemetery, the predominance of French must be respected!!!"
Mouvement Montréal français
Letter encouraging students to visit national parks branded propaganda
Bloqhead MP Carole Lavallée branded a letter sent to students by the Prime Minister as propaganda. Prime Minister Harper sent high school students, across Canada a letter encouraging them to visit Canada's national parks.
The separatist MP branded the invitation as abuse of government money and an intrusion on provincial jurisdiction. LINK
McGill university sticks it to French language militants
This week McGill was the only Canadian school to crack the list of the best 25 best universities in the world, another stab in the heart, but nothing compared to the school's decision to launch its Mordecai Richler writer-in-residence program.
To militants, Richler represents one of the most hated historical Anglo personalities, one who personfies the concept of Quebec-bashing. The idea of honouring him by naming a program after him will serve as another painful irritant for years to come!
Return of Nordiques not popular with everyone
It seems that not everyone in Quebec is excited about the potential return of the Quebec Nordiques to the NHL, especially if it means spending public funds to secure the team's return. That being said at least one commentator has a completely different reason for rejecting the Nordiques project.
Denis Julien wrote;
Montreal Canadiens-Instrument of federalism?"What are the the benefits of the Quebec Nordiques to Quebec?English will be the working language of the team. They will still allow Ontario beer companies to get rich by taking our money. The English-speaking players will open bank accounts at the TD Bank and Scotia Bank or outright in U.S. accounts. They will build several million dollar castles in Lac Beauport which will raise taxes of the residents of this suburb of Quebec. Finally, they will send their children to Quebec English schools. These are the vile benefits of Quebec hockey's return. Something to be proud of, right?"LINK(FRench)
According to Pierre Curzi, a Parti Quebecois member of Quebec's Parliament, the Montreal Canadiens have become an instrument of federalism;
"The Canadiens have changed from being an asset for (Quebec) nationalism to an asset for federalism, said the actor-MP. I think there are people in this organization, that are deeply federalist and they are very aware that hockey is a very strong tool for creating identity. I think they are quite happy to be able to use it for that." LINK(French)(Thanks to reader 'STEVE' for the link!)
B.C. sign irks French language militant
This poster in a Vancouver hospital, annoyed a self-proclaimed Quebecoise exile in British Columbia.
Advising people to wash their wands in seven languages, French was omitted.
While common courtesy would dictate that French would be added, notwithstanding that less than 2% of British Columbia speak French, it wasn't. LINK
However complaining about the lack of respect for French is a bit hypocritical, because Quebec hospitals (other than Anglo institutions) exclude ALL languages except French!
The French have a great saying - "Deux poids et deux mesures" (Two weights, two different standards)
Intellectuals for Sovereignty?
A most bizarre exchange took place before a Parliamentary committee in Quebec City, that was debating the proposed law that would replace Bill 103, the law struck down by the Supreme Court of Canada in relation to English language schooling.
While common courtesy would dictate that French would be added, notwithstanding that less than 2% of British Columbia speak French, it wasn't. LINK
However complaining about the lack of respect for French is a bit hypocritical, because Quebec hospitals (other than Anglo institutions) exclude ALL languages except French!
The French have a great saying - "Deux poids et deux mesures" (Two weights, two different standards)
Intellectuals for Sovereignty?
A most bizarre exchange took place before a Parliamentary committee in Quebec City, that was debating the proposed law that would replace Bill 103, the law struck down by the Supreme Court of Canada in relation to English language schooling.
One of the groups opposed to the law that creates guidelines whereby children ineligible for English education can carve out a path, is called "Les Intellectuels pour la souveraineté" (Intellectuals for sovereignty)
In English culture, it sounds a bit bizarre and self-aggrandizing to refer to oneself as an 'intellectual.' Similarly I always thought it strange to see a room at the Montreal airport labelled as a 'Salon VIP ,'
but I always put it up to a language thing. I can't imagine a reception at Pearson airport named as such.
At any rate, Gilbert Paquette, president of this group was making a presentation when the Minister responsible for the language laws, Christine St-Pierre, started asking some uncomfortable questions.
In English culture, it sounds a bit bizarre and self-aggrandizing to refer to oneself as an 'intellectual.' Similarly I always thought it strange to see a room at the Montreal airport labelled as a 'Salon VIP ,'
but I always put it up to a language thing. I can't imagine a reception at Pearson airport named as such.
At any rate, Gilbert Paquette, president of this group was making a presentation when the Minister responsible for the language laws, Christine St-Pierre, started asking some uncomfortable questions.
"Who are these 'intellectuals" exactly?" she asked.It fell to Pequiste Pierre Curzi to come to the rescue, accusing the minister of a witch hunt.......
"Why have only 15 of the 150 purported members identified themselves?"
"Who is financing your organization?'
Hey,
ReplyDeleteIl a eu un reportage à l'émission Kilomètre Zéro sur les anglophones unilingues en région. Ça devrait être surement sur le site de Télé-Québec dans les jours à suivre. C'était intéressant.
(Je sais que je commente pas souvent, mais je lis à peu près tout! [et je suis encore amoureux avec l'expression French zealot])
Separtist intellectual is an oxymoron. One is
ReplyDeleteeither a separtist OR an intellectual.
DD
Regarding the point "B.C. sign irks French language militant"
ReplyDeleteI was quite surprise to see the same thing in Toronto at a CIBC bank. It was written "We serve you in..." and then several languages were listed but not French.
Then, to my surprise, I learned that French was the 10th most spoken language there. Not the second, not the third... Not even the fifth. The TENTH.
So please Francophones, as the writer says, don't whine when yourself exclude all languages except French when other provinces make an effort to please the most spoken languages (and French isn't one of them).
-Geneviève
@Geneviève
ReplyDeleteJe viens de trouver un néologisme : Une Elvisse Grattonne.Ne vous en faites pas,vous n'êtes pas seul a essayer de marquer un but dans le filet de votre propre équipe.Vous ne serez jamais une joueuse étoile.
Il ne vous est jamais passé par la tête qu'avec notre 2% de Francophones en amérique, nous ne pouvions nous permettre le luxe d'être multiculturels?
"Why did this man hold his golf tournament in Rockland, Ontario, Canada. Are we missing golf courses in Quebec, or is it just because some people prefer English Canada and fuck you francophones!!"
ReplyDeleteThis is comical and typical of you frenchie complainers, hypocrites…and all round idiots. You have more federal meetings, commissions, hearings, party meetings…etc in Quebec every year. But as usual it is never enough when it comes to Quebec getting more. Then you French clowns have the never to demand everything and anything in fench when you leave the province of Quebec. Yes that same province of Quebec where you have spent the last 5 decades wiping out the English language and culture with racist, bigoted language laws a la bills 22, 178, 1201…and on and on. The French language should be completely banned outside Quebec period. You people are a disgrace to country. You are hypocrites, liars, thieves…You are an embarrassment to the entire country, nationally and internationally. My suggestion to you French language radical, extremists is to go to hell. When and if the English every get back their equal rights in Quebec then maybe the French language should receive some minor accommodations outside Quebec, until then rot in hell or Quebec you French only language bigots. Rot in hell/Kebec.
Pierre-Luc, quand on voit des Québécois nés de parents francophones adoptés le point de vue d'une race étrangère, donc s'assimilant, cela seul justifie l'existence de "fanatiques" de la langue.
ReplyDeleteGeneviève, quand on se plaint que le français n'est pas représenté au Canada à l'extérieur du Québec, c'est moins pour se lamenter de ce fait que pour démontrer que le Canada bilingue n'existe pas. Au même titre que la notion de deux peuples fondateurs n'a jamais existé à l'extérieur de la communauté franco-canadienne.
FYI...
ReplyDeleteif Quebec City ever gets another NHL team, don't expect it to be called Nordiques. The copyright for that name is probably in the hands of the Colorado Avalanche. I'm sure they'll let any future NHL team in Quebec city use it for a price. And the more you want it, the higher the price will be. As always.
Quote.
ReplyDelete"...quand on se plaint que le français n'est pas représenté au Canada à l'extérieur du Québec, c'est moins pour se lamenter de ce fait que pour démontrer que le Canada bilingue n'existe pas. Au même titre que la notion de deux peuples fondateurs n'a jamais existé à l'extérieur de la communauté franco-canadienne."
I'm sure you have never even travelled outside of Quebec. Because if you did, you wouldn't write such crap. If you have the balls to just drive through Eastern Ontario, or anywhere in New Brunswick you'll see for yourself that those two provinces do a lot for their francophone minorities. French and English provincial signs everywhere. And this does not even include federal signs. Even PEI provides a french only license plate. When can I expect my English only license plate?
Do yourself a favour. Step outside your hole. You might free up your mind.
11:38 AM, n'essaie pas de te justifier avec des arguments insignifiants. Tu peux par exemple taper dans Google : les minorites francophones au canada et les lois anti-francaises. Tu peux aussi taper : le genocide culturel des francophones au canada (le livre est disponible gratuitement en format PDF).
ReplyDeleteAnon@ 11:21 wrote a stinging comment and it took me quite a while before I finally decided to post it.
ReplyDeleteIt included a number of pejoratives which, although generally directed, were insulting to all Quebeckers.
But there was a sense of rage that I felt was useful to post.
I will however take the comment down tomorrow, hereby advise the commenter that he can make the same point without the nastiness.....
@Editor
ReplyDeleteWhat about Dartagnan/Paris Guy/Anonymous/Pierre-Luc at 11:20AM? The first paragraph in its entirety is a personal attack on another poster. The second paragraph is a cliché statement of no value that is supposed to justify his ad hominem attack from the first paragraph.
If you let that roll, I say f**k 'em and let things like Anon 11:21AM go too.
"Anonymous said...
ReplyDelete11:38 AM, Tu peux par exemple taper dans Google : les minorites francophones au canada et les lois anti-francaises. Tu peux aussi taper : le genocide culturel des francophones au canada (le livre est disponible gratuitement en format PDF)."
Oh, if it`s on the internet then it must be true? (sarcasm) Try typing into Google "Quebec`s racist language laws". The reason it`s a free PDF is because nobody is willing to pay for it!Also, I could direct you to a PDF of Mein Kampf if you`re interested.
Anonymous said...@September 14, 2010 12:05 PM
ReplyDelete"11:38 AM, n'essaie pas de te justifier avec des arguments insignifiants...insert ancient
bullshit/complaint)."
I think all Quebecers (and Canadains) can
agree we wish you separtist morons would at
least TRY to join us in the same century.
DD
@ Anon. at 12:05 PM:
ReplyDelete"Tu peux par exemple taper dans Google : les minorites francophones au canada et les lois anti-francaises."
Those laws were passed a long time ago and are no longer in effect. The other Canadian provinces have evolved and treat Francophones respectably. This is more than can be said for Anglophones in Quebec. The discriminatory anti-English laws of Quebec exist NOW.
All the Quebecois do is talk about the past. We would all have chips on our shoulders if we looked far enough back in history.
"Even in a cemetery, the predominance of French must be respected!!!"
ReplyDelete-Mouvement Montréal français
This is ridiculous. It is probably only a matter of time before French language zealots demand that the English language be sandblasted off of tombstones.
"English language be sandblasted off of tombstones."
ReplyDeletePour ma part je n'ai absolument rien contre le fait de retrouver des noms anglais sur les pierres tombales.
Anglo Bashers, if English-Canadian provinces have evolved as you say, it's because Supreme Court invalidated these inconstitutionnal laws in the 1960s.
ReplyDeleteTo the Editor : In reading some comments today, I think that only people over 15 should participate to this blog.
"Pierre-Luc, quand on voit des Québécois nés de parents francophones adoptés le point de vue d'une race étrangère,..."
ReplyDeleteRace, voila pourquoi ton propos est a lui seule une confirmation que Lionel Groulx vie encore, quel bel exemple de racisme qui démontre comment le mouvement de protection du français est un mouvement baser sur le racisme.
Les anglophone ne sont pas une race étrangère, mon petit raciste, la majorité des francophone ont le sang de ces races étrangères.
Grandisser baptême, a vous entendre on se penserais au 19ieme siècles.
Mississauga Guy said...
ReplyDeleteThe simple fact of the matter is we all know people who lead a life of lies. I wrote previously and I'll state it again that people see what they WANT to see, hear what they WANT to hear, and believe what they WANT to believe.
Yes, the working language of all NHL teams is English because that's the second language of most players from outside North America and just about everywhere outside Quebec in North America. The world isn't going to drop dead for Quebec and leanrn French.
The Canadiens in 101 years going on 102 have only been owned by Francophones for 36 years. English is the working language, and it was in the Nordiques dressing room as well, never mind the fact it gives several (French speaking)people a front office job, food vendors, parking attendants, etc.
The no-French on the hospital sign way outside Quebec is a non-starter, and if Mortecai Richler can still serve as a thorn in the side of those zealous shmucks posthumously, may his body laugh in the grave heartily!
If McGill has a larger endowment fund than all the other universities combined in Quebec, more power to them. The way I see it, most of the political elite earned their university degrees outside Quebec, studying in English! Jacques Parasite, London School of Economics; the late Yves Bérubé, MIT, Jacques-Yvan Morin, Harvard, Cambridge (UK) and oh, yes, McGill (A SEPARATIST MINISTER YET!); Denis Lazure, U. of Philadelphia; Camille Laurin, Boston U. Hospital!!! Let the zealots chew on THOSE credentials by those who are supposed to be of their own ilk! These were all founding cabinet ministers in the first mandate of the Parti Québécois. Lest we forget Mario Dumont attended my alma mater, Concordia U.!
I suppose this means there ARE SOME sovereignist intellectuals, but there is a cliché that genius borders on insanity.
"Pierre-Luc, quand on voit des Québécois nés de parents francophones adoptés le point de vue d'une race étrangère, donc s'assimilant, cela seul justifie l'existence de "fanatiques" de la langue." dit un anonyme.
ReplyDeleteHey, je suis une autre "race" en passant, hahaha.
"Grandisser baptême, a vous entendre on se penserais au 19ieme siècles."
ReplyDeleteAinsi qu'a vous lire.
De plus,vos insultes a propos du sang mixte sont inutiles et non fondées.Je crois que la plupart des Québécois ont le sang pur.En passant les anglais représentent bel et bien une race,désolé.
To Anon. at 1:58 PM:
ReplyDelete"Pour ma part je n'ai absolument rien contre le fait de retrouver des noms anglais sur les pierres tombales."
If the current language debate ever explodes into a civil war, there will be many more French than English names appearing on the tombstones of the fallen. Unless of course, the Quebecois behave as they have done in the past and hide in the woods instead of fighting.
To Anon. at 2:05 PM:
"...if English-Canadian provinces have evolved as you say, it's because Supreme Court invalidated these inconstitutionnal laws in the 1960s."
If this occurred, then at least these other provinces respected the authority and the judgement of the Supreme Court, which is more than can be said for belligerent Quebec. The Supreme Court ruled against much of Bill 101, but Quebec used the Notwithstanding Clause to ignore this judgement... it still disrepects the rights of minorities.
@Mississauga Guy
ReplyDeleteSi vous allez prendre des cours de cuisine en France afin devenir un Grand Chef,est-ce que cela suppose que vous allez abandonner votre culture et votre langue afin de devenir Français?
Qu'est-ce qu'on peut en lire des conneries sur ce blogue.
Dear Editor,
ReplyDeleteI need to say that I am agree with adski that we feel that there is somehow a different treatment between English and French posters. I can only speak for myself that I feel that whenever a Francophone responds to my posts, that respond is filled with ad hominem attacks, in the sense that it asks about me personally, not my opinion of the matter.
Please clarify, is that kind of respond acceptable? If it is, then I would hope for a level playing field. That is, that whatever language a poster uses, he is unrestricted in responding to the opinion of other posters.
Hey Editor, your link in the National Parks story does not go anywhere. As well, if you have any link to the "Quebec Intellectuals" story, that will be appreciated.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...@September 14, 2010 3:32 PM
ReplyDelete"De plus,vos insultes a propos du sang mixte sont inutiles et non fondées.Je crois que la plupart des Québécois ont le sang pur.En passant les anglais représentent bel et bien une race,désolé"
No, we're sorry for your ignorance. If your
blood were as pure as you think it is (consider-
ing the limited gene pool) you'd be an inbred
dumbass. Oh wait, maybe you are pure. Does your
tuque have a point or is it just on to tight?
DD
"...Court ruled against much of Bill 101, but Quebec used the Notwithstanding Clause..."
ReplyDeleteLa loi 101 est la pour rester et se renforcir prochainement,c'est-a-dire reprendre ses lettres de noblesse initiales .Va falloir vivre avec mes petits amis anglos.
Tant qu'a la clause dérogatoire,elle est tout a fait légale et légitime dans le cas des Québécois(les vrais).Elle est inclue de la constitution canadienne afin de contrer certains abus.
@ Anon. at 3:43 PM:
ReplyDelete"Si vous allez prendre des cours de cuisine en France afin devenir un Grand Chef,est-ce que cela suppose que vous allez abandonner votre culture et votre langue afin de devenir Français?"
You miss Mississauga Guy's point. The Quebecois political elite who studied in English want to deny that same option to the majority of other Quebecois. They want to keep them unilingual French and ignorant.
Troy- the link has been repaired. The only link that I have for the 'Intellectuals'story is in French---
ReplyDeletehttp://www.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Politique/2010/09/10/001-ecole-passerelle-intellectuels.shtml
I have looked at their web site and am considering a piece on this group.....stay tuned.
As for comments, I do my best and play no favourites. I would repeat, that personal and nasty or generally racist stuff is not welcome. That being said, I do enjoy reading a good rant or two. PLAY NICE!!!!
"They want to keep them unilingual French and ignorant."
ReplyDeleteAnd we like it that way,it's our business not yours!BTW are you an unilingual english ignorant yourself?
Mississauga Guy said...
ReplyDeleteFee fi fo fum! I see the writings of trolls and numbskulls entering this blog again.
I'll address one from the latter category namely the one who directly addressed me at 3:43PM:
No, attending a French culinary school will not cause abandonment of my language. My culture may take a beating since I'm Jewish and most French cuisine is far from kosher (dairy and meat products cannot be combined in the same meal let alone the same dish, pork and crustaceans, etc.), but I'm starting to split hairs, so I'll end the fecitiousness at this point.
The late Julia Child took a lot of verbal abuse from the culinary school where she studied in Paris, but she went on and became one of the most famous celebrity French chefs of all time. Every inch of her 6' 3'' frame was 100% American, and she never lost any of her American nuances.
Anglo Basher (4:34PM): Thanks for straightening out that idiot. You obviously got the point.
To Anon @ 4:24PM: The Notwithstanding Clause was Trudeau's weakness, but he put his ego before the Constitution. It was the Western Provinces that wanted the Notwithstanding Clause, and that little loophole turned the Constitution into Swiss cheese. Interestingly, Trudeau put it in to appease the West and ensure his name would appear in the history books, yet it is Quebec that has used this piece of infamy for its own selfish gains. Quel surprise!
Paris Guy dit: ''The Quebecois political elite who studied in English want to deny that same option to the majority of other Quebecois. They want to keep them unilingual French and ignorant. '' Personne n'enlève le droit personnel d'étudier en anglais comme l'a fait l'élite. Par contre, cette élite maîtrise très bien le français et à choisit de payer pour s'instruire à l'étranger en anglais. Ce n'est pas aux deniers publics de financer les ambitions personnelles des individus, c'est tout. Si je veux, je peux bien allé étudier à Oxford au doctorat, par contre, ce n'est pas l'argent des contribuables qui est mis en cause. Finalement, cher DD September 14, 2010 4:23 PM, vous êtes vraiment pugnace et ridicule dans vos commentaires sur la soi-disant pureté. Les théories eugénistes sont complètement fausses et débiles. Darwin, ça vous dit quelque chose ? Vive le français, vive la Loi 101 et allez donc : Vive le Québec libre ! Pour reprendre mon ancien président !
ReplyDeleteTrudeau était tout sauf un intellectuel, qui sont les grands intellectuels fédéralistes ? Michael Ignatieff ? Richler ? Brent Tyler ? Galganov ? Preston Manning ? Avant de rigoler, faudrait peut-être savoir de qui est constituer ce regroupement ! Car ne vous en plaise, il y a bien des intellectuels qui sont pour l'indépendance du Québec et beaucoup plus que vous croyez !
ReplyDelete@Mississauga Guy
ReplyDeleteAlors,peut-on reprocher a Mme.Child d'avoir été étudiée chez les maîtres en France et d'être revenue chez les gobeurs de "cheeze burgers" et "spagetti meat balls" pour leur donner quelques leçons culinaires.
C'est exactement ce que nos élites intellectuels font et feront.En passant vous avez omi André Boisclair (Harvard) de votre liste.
Tout les Québécois peuvent aller étudier en anglais ou en Chinois mais pas aux dépends des contribuables et surtout pas sur notre territoire.Est-ce assez clair jughead?
@September 14, 2010 6:19 PM
ReplyDeleteFirstly, you and your fellows are the ones
who keep refering to purity.
Secondly, Darwin was about moving forward
(evolution), ethnic nationalism has definately
been done (to death). We don't need to redo the
past.
Thirdly, your president is universally
recoginized as the template for an arrogant
twit.
DD
"I feel that whenever a Francophone responds to my posts, that respond is filled with ad hominem attacks..."
ReplyDeleteLe jour ou vous allez arrêter de vociférer contre les Québécois,les attaques cesseront.
Allez donc vous inscrire a quelques cours d'histoire du Québec et revenez-nous avec des arguments qui tiennent la route.
D'ici la,cessez donc de cracher votre mépris sur ma Nation.Cela ne vous mènera nulle part,sauf vous ridiculiser.
See that post at 19:17? Just exactly what I wrote. I am the object of attack, not my opinion.
ReplyDeleteI never ridicule Quebec. I live in this PROVINCE too. And as this is a province within the Confederation of Canada, then I am Canadian first, Quebecer second, Montrealer third.
You do not believe me that I am entitled to call myself Quebecer? Go dig your Quebec history book, look for the name George-Etienne Cartier.
FYI.. on Bill 103 petition
ReplyDeleteThere is a petition being sponsored by one of the MNA's. It's an official petition on Bill 103. If you're interested in signing it. Go to
http://www.assnat.qc.ca/en/exprimez-votre-opinion/petition/signer-petition/index.html
I think there are just over 2700 signatures as of this posting. Make your voice known if you want more people to have access to english schools in Quebec.
I would suggest only residents of Quebec sign it. As it does ask for your city of residence. And as it is related to internal Quebec politics.
@Anonymous: C'est quoi le rapport de me traiter d'Elvis Grattonne? Tu as bien beau dire qu'on a pas le "luxe" d'être multi-culturel, mais la réalité est tout autre. Avec tous les immigrants que le Québec accueil, on n'a pas le choix de l'être. Et ce n'est pas mal, c'est une richesse, même.
ReplyDeleteAlors, cesse de vivre dans ta tête et accepte le fait que le Québec n'est PLUS une communauté uniquement francophone et qu'elle DOIT s'adapter autant que les immigrants doivent eux aussi s'adapter. On ne peut demander à l'un ce que l'on est pas nous-mêmes foutus d'offrir.
-Geneviève
Paris Guy dit: ''le droit à la langue d'enseignement de son choix n'existe pas sur le plan du droit international et n'est pas un droit fondamental ou une liberté fondamentale.''
ReplyDeleteLa grande majorité des Québécois appuie la Loi 101 et un durcissement de celle-ci !
ReplyDeleteI find it particularly amusing that whenever someone asks "what do you mean the French are descriminated against in North America?" The answer is always the same "read a history book." I don`t disagree that French were treated badly in the past, but we live in the present. As a Jew, am I supposed to hate all Germans because of the Nazis?
ReplyDeleteThe `vrais Quebecois` (It hurts me that I`ve lived here my whole life and I`m not a Quebecer) need to look around and ask themselves " do we want to do onto others what has been done to us".
"...Québec accueil, on n'a pas le choix de l'être. Et ce n'est pas mal, c'est une richesse, même..."
ReplyDeleteAllez dire ça en France,particulièrement a Paris et sa banlieue, aujourd'hui et je ne répond pas de leur réaction.En passant,combien de langues allez-vous apprendre afin d'accomoder les immigrants?
J'aurais pu vous proposer l'Allemagne ou la Belgique ou encore l'Angleterre...Le problème est le même malgré leur forte capacité d'absortion des immigrants.
"...Jew, am I supposed to hate all Germans because of the Nazis..."
ReplyDeleteEst-ce que l'Allemagne représente toujours une menace pour votre identité?Êtes-vous obligé de légiférer afin de protèger votre minorité?
Geneviève, si jamais tu as la chance de sortir de l'île de Montréal, n'hésite pas, car tu te rendras compte que sauf exceptions le Québec n'est pas multiculturel et encore moins multilinguistique.
ReplyDeletePar ailleurs, l'une des principales raisons pour laquelle la notion anglo-saxonne de multiculturalisme a été adoptée au Canada par un gouvernement du Parti libéral, c'était pour neutraliser le nationalisme québécois. Ainsi, selon les tenants de cette idéologie, les Québécois forment au Canada un groupe ethnique parmi d'autres, non une société distincte, et encore moins une nation.
Il faut aussi savoir que le modèle multiculturaliste commence à être décrié, notamment en Grande-Bretagne, car il n'incite pas les membres des communautés culturelles à s'intégrer à la majorité. En effet, une étude comparative a été réalisée en France et en Grande-Bretagne et l'une des conclusions est que les filles et fils d'immigrants en France, tenant du modèle républicain qui prône une seule identité nationale, se sentent davantage français que ceux établis en Grande-Bretagne se sentent britanniques. Ainsi donc, le modèle français, qu'une très grande majorité de Québécois adopte, est un meilleur modèle d'intégration des nouveaux arrivants.
Enfin, peut-être que tu as été impressionnée par le manifeste Pour un Québec pluraliste qui prône le multiculturalisme et qui est soutenu par un groupe d'intellectuels de diverses origines ethniques, mais provenant de deux camps, l'un francophone et l'autre anglophone. À cela, on peut dire sans se tromper que lorsqu'un groupe de francos et d'anglos s'entendent sur un point, c'est que généralement ça va à l'encontre des intérêts de la majorité francophone.
Dartagnan 9:11AM: “droit à la langue d'enseignement de son choix n'existe pas sur le plan du droit international et n'est pas un droit fondamental ou une liberté fondamentale”
ReplyDeleteBullshit. I don’t know how many times one has to refute this nonsense. And I don’t know how such an obvious untruth got so deeply ingrained in these little minds of Quebec natioanlists, that even Louis Prefotaine writes an entry entitled: “Lois linguistiques: une normalité mondiale”
Comparing other de facto unilingual cities that might (or might NOT – in most cases they do NOT) offcialize the unilingual status with bill 101 which warps the reality of a de facto bilingual environment by declaring it unilingual is like comparing apples and oranges.
I challenge Anonymous Dartagnan to name me another environment (city or country) in which there is an EXISTING network of secondary schools that instruct in a language X, a couple of major universities that instruct in the language X, where language X is widely used, where language X is the only language of immediate surroundings of the environment in question, AND at the same time access to institutions that run in the language X and public use of language X is limited by laws like 101, where the use of language Y is imposed on work environment, commerce, business, and everyday communication (preamble of bill 101).
You won’t name more than one, because there is only one. It’s called Montreal, QC. So no, language laws a-la-Quebec are NOT a “universal normality”. If anything, they are a universal abnormality.
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Dartagnan 9:20AM: “La grande majorité des Québécois appuie la Loi 101 et un durcissement de celle-ci !
First of all, who gives a shit. It's irrelevant. Second of all, it also not completely true.
Irrelevant because the fact that the majority of people with an inferiority complex, brainwashed relentlessly for the past 40 years with ethnic nationalist propaganda, support bill 101 is NOT a reason for everyone else to accept it. Especially given that the group that supports 101 (Francophones) happen to be favored by these laws, which kind of poses a conflict of interest. It’d be like me supporting a legislation that favors whites over non-whites. The fact that I’m white would make my support of such legislation dubious, wouldn’t it?
Not completely true, because rare opinion polls indicate that Francophones consistently state their desire to have the right to educate their children in English. This fact is of course neatly swept under the carpet by the media. It also shows a certain degree of hypocrisy on the part of Francophones – in that they are against the only provision of 101 that limits their own choices, but have no problems with 101’s provisions that limit the choices of others - like the sign law for example.
Adski, de manière générale on sent beaucoup de frustration dans ton discours. Tu dois savoir que tu le seras davantage dans les prochaines années. Alors, pourquoi rester au Québec ? Ne penses-tu pas que tu serais plus heureux de vivre ailleurs au Canada ? Surtout si tu as des enfants ou tu comptes en avoir. Car bien franchement, et en tout respect pour ta personne, des immigrants comme toi on n’en veut pas au Québec.
ReplyDelete@Anon 12:54
ReplyDeleteTu n'es pas le premier a lui conseiller la 401.Je ne comprend vraiment pas son entêtement a demeurer parmi nous.Soit il est complètement maso soit il aime se plaindre.
Sa hargne dégoulinante laisse transparaître beaucoup de soufframce.Je lui conseille d'aller cohabiter avec Mississauga Guy a l'ombre de la tour du CN.
"...You won’t name more than one, because there is only one. It’s called Montreal, QC..."
ReplyDeleteEt c'est celle-la que vous avez choisi pour y vivre?Hmmm...pas très rapide le petit pro-anglo.
Attendez!Serions-nous les seuls a vous avoir accepté?Avoir su que vous étiez pour cracher dans la soupe...
Anonymous said...@September 15, 2010 12:54 PM
ReplyDelete"des immigrants comme toi on n’en veut pas au
Québec"
You've got it wrong, it's immigrants LIKE YOU
(bigots) that aren't needed and are an embarrassment to every Quebecer.
DD
Dartagnan 12:54PM: "Adski, de manière générale on sent beaucoup de frustration dans ton discours."
ReplyDeleteAnd your point is?
To Editor:
ReplyDeleteI suspected that you wouldn't post my response to Dartagnan at 10:00 PM last night. It was extreme. But I was responding to his attack on Mississauga Guy, where he referred to him as "jughead."
I agree with Troy and Adski. There does seem to be a difference in the way English and French posts are treated when personal attacks are involved.
To Adski at 11:49 AM:
ReplyDeleteGreat post! You soundly defeated the QC nationalist arguments. And they responded in the same old manner, with no sensible rebuttal. They resort to racist attacks and the usual, "take the 401 if you don't like it."
To Anglo Bashers;
ReplyDeleteBeing called a "Jughead" is not the same as calling someone a 'C**KS**KER'
I censor as little as possible and I feel that sometimes people take advantage of that fact, but oh well....
This blog is one of the few places that rants are allowed. Honest emotion is fair. There's not many places where Anglos and Francos can let their emotions and anger out.
But there is, of course, limits to everything.
It seems to me this thread is out of ideas and debate....so anything unrelated to the actual blog piece will not be printed after of 4PM.
See, you always get a last chance!
"...(bigots) that aren't needed and are an embarrassment to every Quebecer."
ReplyDeleteDevenez donc Québécois avant de parler au nom de nous tous.Je suis Québécois de souche et je suis parfaitement daccord avec son propos.Si il n'est pas heureux parmi nous ,qu'il décrisse!
Je n'étais pas heureux en Ontario et je ne passais pas mes journées a les critiquer et a essayer de changer leur mentalité.Après 6 mois de frustration,J'ai laissé mon travail et je suis revenu chez-nous au Québec.Point a la ligne.
Adski, arrête de voir du Dartagnan partout. La règle est pourtant simple : on appelle une personne par le nom qu'elle se donne. Donc pour être clair, car tu ne comprends vraiment pas vite, si une personne poste un commentaire à titre anonyme, c'est Anonymus. Car à 12:54 PM, ce n’est pas Dartagnan. Tu phoque toute la discussion.
ReplyDelete@Anon 2:37
ReplyDeleteNe t'en fais pas ,c'est un parano.Ça fait plusieurs fois qu'on lui dit.Qu'il ne compte pas sur moi pour lui expliquer en anglais.Qu'il fasse un petit effort de concentration et il arrivera peut-être a comprendre.
Editor: "Being called a "Jughead" is not the same as calling someone a 'C**KS**KER'"
ReplyDeleteWhat if that is that someone is...err... exactly that?
Dartagnan: "Donc pour être clair, car tu ne comprends vraiment pas vite, si une personne poste un commentaire à titre anonyme, c'est Anonymus"
Or what?
Besides, Dartagnan suits you and all these other faceless clones of Pierre Falardeau. So it's either Dartagnan, or the nickname suggested by Anglo Bashers. Which one do you prefer?
Ce qui me fait rire dans les commentaire de "prenez la 401 et sacrer votre camps" c'est que ces anglos sont nés ici et sont ici depuis des générations tout comme les autres Québécois francophones. Je ne comprends tellement pas ce pseudo argument de dire "Parce que t'es pas francophone, t'es pas Québécois", c'est n'importe quoi.
ReplyDeleteMn copain est né en Colombie et est arrivé ici à l'âge de 6 mois, adopté de parents Québécois. Il parle français et anglais (et à peine 3 mots d'espagnol). Est-il Québécois? Ah, sûrement puisque sa langue maternelle (si on compte pas ses 6 premiers mois en Amérique du Sud) est le français.
Mais l'anglo lui qui est NÉ ICI et que ses parents sont NÉS ici ainsi que ses grands-parents, etc, lui on lui dit "Si t'es pas content, sacre ton camps"? Ses racines sont ici, son monde est ici. Il a beau être insatisfait, reste qu'il a des attaches.
La plupart des Québécois sont totalement insatisfaits du gouvernement actuel, mais très peu d'entre eux vont voter quand c'est le temps de se faire entendre et quand ils y vont, ils revotent pour les mêmes clowns pour mieux se plaindre encore après...
Me semble qu'il faudrait être conséquent. Si vous voulez que les anglos sacrent leur camps s'ils sont insatisfaits, faudrait peut-être que les Québécois "de souche" cesse de chialer et passe à l'action quand le gouvernement fait des niaiseries.
-Geneviève
"Ce qui me fait rire dans les commentaire de "prenez la 401 et sacrer votre camps" c'est que ces anglos sont nés ici et sont ici..."
ReplyDeleteÇa vous fait rire?Pas moi.Pas un mot Français depuis 1977 (loi 101).Westmount est un ghetto.Cette communauté ne s'est jamais intégrée a la majorité et vous trouvez ça drôle?
Croient-ils vraiment que leur langue est menacée a ce point?Dans leurs têtes,ils sont avant tout canadian ,ensuite,american.Si il voulaient vraiment être Québécois,je crois que s'adresser a nous dans la langue officielle de la majorité serait un premier pas.Nous n'avons pas le même sens de l'humour.
"...Ses racines sont ici, son monde est ici."
ReplyDeleteCe monde et ces attaches dont vous parlez ne sont certainement pas Francophone.La preuve:Leur fantasme ultime est de voir disparaître cette loi infâme qui protège la langue majoritaire.
Anonymous said...@September 15, 2010 2:36 PM
ReplyDelete"Je n'étais pas heureux en Ontario et je ne passais pas mes journées a les critiquer et a essayer de changer leur mentalité.Après 6 mois de frustration,J'ai laissé mon travail et je suis revenu chez-nous au Québec."
That is the raison d'etre of bill 101. Gotta
make sure the next generation of Parizeaus,
Levesques, Bourassas and their buddies have a
"captive" population to rule. After all, the
rest of us can leave, people like you are
stuck in whatever toilet this province becomes
if it secedes.
DD
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ReplyDeleteI am scratching my head reading this logic.
Francophones who oppose Bill 101 are not truly Francophones? So who are they? By definition, Francophones are those who speak French as first language. Their political view has no bearing at all.
What next, if I support Bill 101 in its entirety with all my heart I become a Francophone? Even though I do not speak that language regularly?
You are grasping at straws, man...
"Montreal Canadiens-Instrument of federalism?"
ReplyDeleteLooks like Pauline Marois has given her 2 cents on this.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2010/09/16/pauline-marois-habs.html
But think she may of had her scarf on a little too tight back in May of this year when she was comparing the PQ to the Montreal Canadiens playoff run.
http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/05/16/the-montreal-sovereigntists/
I could not help myself laughing watching CTV News this evening. There was an interview with Curzi who was so convinced that the Habs (Canadiens) are an instrument of federalism. He presented his evidence that the slogan of the team is...
ReplyDeleteNous sommes Canadiens.
Is "Canadiens" not the name of the team?
Les uns disent: French is written with more predominance, on a cemetery water feature,others are saying: seven languages are written here to wash your hands...except French (B.C.), in Ontario they call French a foreign language when you buy movies. So what people are thinking is not important. The way Anglophones treat the French is on a high horse.
ReplyDeleteRemember one thing: French is a difficult language to learn and easy to forget. Generally speaking Anglophones from Canada are lazy to learn languages. They rather feel superior and be arrogant about it ! You can't deny it, they are at it for 400 hundred years. They fought to kill, stop us from making a decent living at home in Quebec, connived to divide us --as always!-- and lament instead of learning another language and be proud of the French of Canada. At least Hitler had style...
Because you feel stuck with our language, the better way to deal with it is to ask you to gently leave the Province. The other Anglophones are dealing with us, pleasant with us, and they are used to deal with Francophones. We do business with them, and we are pleased of their arrondissements. So the ones who are acking terribly, and feel under siege, should leave ! They are not quite capable to adapt ! So leave! leave ! Your fantoms have deported us, tortured us, burned us at the stake, strangled us, leave and don't come back. Who wants in their cemeteries English names who spit on us all the time ! LEAVE and do yourself a favour !
ReplyDeleteL'un chante, l'autre pas. Definitely you don't hear the happy Anglophones here. They are quiet in their golden world. The French are the same. So, who is complaining ? people who want more, but what kind of "more" do they want.
ReplyDelete1.- If they want more for themselves, they have to research, learn, discover, look elsewhere or/and do, yes be doers themselves, not ask constantly the others;
The Quebecois are doing what they have to do. They are mingling with a lot of Europeans at the moment, they are learning to explore their language, they are learning who to evolve a business sense with the French coming from abroad. They give and they receive. An exchange that the English did not accomplish successfully with them. So now what?
2.- After saying that we cannot re-invent the wheel. The best thing to do for the Anglophones if it would be possible, would be to try harder to speak French and be kind with the Quebecois.
What about stopping this "an eye for an eye". Try, try it, when you will be all dead, it will be too late.
Is it silly to propose such a proposition ? After every line every second we read, perhaps yes. As an isolated experiment, perhaps no.
Let's remember that papers ar selling news. Blogs are eye openers. What about a trouse for Christmas ? Who will suggest a trouse other than me. A brave soul ? What will you suggest in order to leave in peace within a French majority ?
Does it hurt so much to speak French ? Does it make you an inferior person ? Does it make you not likable at all ? Do you think you won't have enough courage ? Do you think you will have not enough time during your life ?
I have a friend who is teaching in China. She is a minority. She tries her best. She learns, she is proud of getting to know another culture. So that means, if Quebec would be another country, would you be different ?
My dear friends, if the Canadian politicians were unsuccessful in bringing two interesting languages and forces together, don't make the big family unhappy. The English culture is a happy one within and the French one as well. To preserve those families would be to respect one another. Who much is the cost ? Who long will it take ?
If you are a proud English minority who suffer from your birth rights (language) be proud of connecting with the majority.
ReplyDeleteI am a minority in English Canada, I connect with friends, but I suffer more than the Anglophones I hear on this site.
When you are a minority English in Quebec, there are a lot of arrondissements, and businesses in the West (West Island) so why do have to challenge the whole Island of Montreal ?
This is called respect of a culture and a language which won't disappear from the Planet. Quebec is French. Whether you like or disapprouve it. It is a fact of life. Grow up, and if you don't like it, you don't have to live there !
Good thing you don't live in the era of Eleonor d'Aquitaine, where her marriage to Henry of Anjou made her the most powerful woman of France and England !
Perhaps the answer to those questions are to live differently in our own worlds. Nothing will stop English and French to intermarry. THose couples should have a special gratification from the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT !!AS THEY AR SO UNIQUE !!!
ReplyDeleteWhen I go to the Basques countries, I also see "false unity". This entails the French and the Spanish. Let's remember that Napoleon burned a few Spanish cities, and the Spanish are not forgetting !!! believe me!!!! (The English burned the Parliament which was in Montreal!)
So, I see the French basques ordering food in Spanish, thanking them in Spanish. While my accent is French, I sometimes say I am from Canada - then they speak French to me, but not to the French from the French coast !
PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE !
You snail snappers can go start a new family with your daughters... Bon soir ! Your accent would be better in German! Where's your victory sign, tadpoles?
ReplyDeleteLol