The Le Blanc family faced the agonizing decision because, as they say, they have no choice, their youngest son seems to have a learning disability and is being refused entry into an English school by the government, where he will likely do better, according to his doctors.
The family presents some very special circumstance. Read a detailed article and watch the news report here. LINK
The story is one of the saddest cases of hardship that highlights a policy of government intolerance. Unfortunately it is not unique.
Other families have also been whipped into compliance by the government. Those who are able, send their children private schools, others flee and sadly some cave in and send their children to French schools against their will.
Government bureaucrats gone wild, wielding power over people's personal lives that none of our forefathers who created the British Parliamentary system would imagine.
Somewhere along the line, the idea that government is meant to control our lives became entrenched in the mindset of Quebeckers. Years ago the government decided which language we may speak. Today they are in the process of doing the same with religion, teaching our children a very special course in religious indoctrination that impacts a family's choice on how to practice their own faith.
I shall be following and reporting on the media reaction, I cannot believe that the government is happy about being caught with their intolerant pants done. I'm sure the nationalists will circle the wagons and support the decision and I will report on their apologist responses. It will be interesting.
In the meantime I put up the picture of the young boy involved because he is essentially the story. Education has always been about helping our children be the best that they can be.
Not here, not in Quebec. Language trumps everything.
Yes, language trumps everything in Quebec...even basic human decency.
ReplyDeleteThe sad thing is this same anti-English language racism and bigotry that runs Quebec is spreading all across the country, what a mess.
ReplyDeleteWhat’s really going on?
I wonder if people realize what’s really going on in this country. Quebec has spent the last 5 decades wiping out the English language and culture from the province with racist, anti-English language laws such as bill 22, 178, 101…This is a fact. Racism, intolerance, bigotry, ethnic language cleansing and human rights violations still going on in the province of Quebec.
Ya, Quebec, where the English, Scottish, Irish, United Empire Loyalists… built up the province of Kebec (original native spelling) since 1763. Yes, the same province of Kebec where the Union Jack and Red Ensign flew until 1950. Again, just the facts…This lie, this hoax, this revisionist nonsense that Quebec is a French province and that Canada is bilingual is just that, an outright lie. Fact: We have been part of the British Empire since 1763.We were officially an English speaking country for over 200 years, again just the facts.
Almost 1 million people have been forced out of the province of Kebec due to this type of hatred/lie/spin… While all this is going on in Quebec they are forcing the French language outside Quebec in every province. Everything and anything the French demand they are getting across this entire country. They call it bilingualism (another lie never clearly defined on purpose). What are they really up to? “First Quebec, then we take over the rest of the country, one step at a time…through bilingualism…” PT, “How to take over a country through bilingualism…” SD. That’s what’s really going on. Wake up, people!
Ask yourself a simple question. Why are we not teaching our real BNA history? Why are we not teaching our proud UEL history in our schools any longer?
"Loyal She Began, Loyal She Remains." Go learn our proud, real BNA and UEL history. These were the builders of our country since 1763. Not this phony, revisionist lie, this bilingual, multicultural, 2 founding nations, linguistic duality lie, propaganda, spin that we’ve been living with since Trudeau, and kebec forced this upon the nation. We’ve been part of the British Empire since 1763 and officially an English speaking country for over 200 years…just a fact.
Wake up people, your country is in deep trouble and NO English speaking politician is telling you the truth, is exposing what is really going on. Not one politician has the decency, the honesty to expose the truth, to speak the truth, how pathetic. Poor Canada, what a mess. Please pass this on.
Now do you see what this bilingual debate is really about and more importantly, who’s going to put a stop to this revisionist nonsense, this lie...?
To Anonymous at 12:46 PM,
ReplyDeleteOkay...we get your drift. It is getting a bit tiresome reading the exact same paragraphs in different threads. And this response is from a Federalist Anglophone.
Didn't see a response to this yet, but is homeschooling analogous to the 3-year private-school loophole?
ReplyDeleteThere are other families who suffer Quebec’s abusive language laws. Quebec should not have such an impact and intrusive force over our lives. They have no right to dictate our future, to cause families to separate, to create marital difficulties, to deny the special needs of children with learning disabilities choice of education, to oppress our francophone and immigrant children, including children yet to be born. To have the Canadian government sit idly by, while families lives are being controlled by Quebec tyrants for years and decades on end to the total disregard for their rights as Canadian citizens, it is abandonment of their moral obligations to protect the rights of children and parents. There are Human right laws, Canadian Charter of Rights and laws against harassment, bullying, abuse, equal rights, discrimination & disability laws, yet we let Quebec run roughshod over our lives. Our pleas for justice fall on deaf ears, as Quebec applies linguistic shackles (Bill 101, 104, 103) on our children’s education choices and futures. It is high time Canada confront this situation that has gone on for too long. It is a hypocrisy for Canada to claim they are a democratic country, when they support the systematic cultural and linguistic eradication of the English community in Quebec. If there is anything that needs to be taught in our schools, our children need to know about their human rights. You can be sure a human rights course is a course you will not see in Quebec.
ReplyDeleteWe are all born free and Equal: http://www.youthforhumanrights.org/
No One Can Take Your Human Rights: http://www.youthforhumanrights.org/what-are-human-rights/videos/no-one-can-take-your-rights.html
Its truly sad and pathetic really. The federal government should have stepped in decades ago but of course Trudeau allowed this racist BS to go in Quebec and no federal leader has had the honesty and decency to admit that what has been going on in Quebec is racist and bigoted in nature. See what happens when you have the metis/French running Quebec and Ottawa? The truth never gets out. Poor Canada, poor kebec, what a mess.
ReplyDeleteIs this trolling ? Always treating French of ''BS'' (what it means exactly ?) and racist, bigots ? Metis/french ? I do not see what this kind of comments add to the debate it's suppose to be ?
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous @5:03
ReplyDeleteIn response to Anonymous @5:42's complaint about your use of the term "metis/French"
I am asking you politely to omit the term. Your opinions are important to this blog but can be made without using people's race, ethnic background,colour, language etc. as a pejorative It isn't nice.
As I said, I hope you continue to contribute. Strong opinions are welcome.
Incidentally BS= BULLSHIT (always allowed on this blog.
Mississauga Guy reiterates:
ReplyDeleteThis thing of a family being broken up violates the Quebec government's own Bill 101. Section 81 reads:
"81. Children having serious learning disabilities may, at the request of one of their parents, receive instruction in English if required to facilitate the learning process. The brothers and sisters of children thus exempted from the application of the first paragraph of section 72 [requiring educational instruction in French] may also be exempted."
Then there is the following: "85.1. Where warranted by a serious family or humanitarian situation, the Minister of Education may, upon a reasoned request and on the recommendation of the examining committee, declare eligible for instruction in English a child who has been declared non-eligible by a person designated by the Minister."
I simply cut and pasted the above two sections directly from the Quebec Government's website on Bill 101. I didn't change a single word.
Section 85.1 states the Minister of Education can overturn the fascist bureaucrat that to this day forbade the keeping of this family together.
And to think Premier Goldilocks called Preston Manning a bigot during a previous federal election when Goldilocks was the leader of the dying and now defunct Progressive Conservative Party of Canada. It is John "Goldilocks" (yes, John) Charest who is the leader of the truly fascist Liberal Party of Quebec, defenders of federalism (and pigs can fly) and justice for all in Quebec...except where the French language is concerned.
Howard Galganov wrote the book "Bastards". Howard Galganov, notwithstanding how he always puts his foot in his mouth after saying what is right, entitled his book correctly--"BASTARDS", and what BASTARDS they are to allow this sort of thing to happen, even though the PQ wrote and legislated this law, it is the one-time "Captain Canada", the Ultimate Federalist, who is sitting with his thumb between his butt cheeks letting it happen. How about the two aforementioned sections of Bill 101, The Greatest Charter since Magna Carta!
Premier John "Goldilocks" Charest called Preston Manning is a bigot? He should talk! Look who's calling the kettle black! Premier the Great marginalizes all Anglophones to the smallest jobs in cabinet, and precious few make cabinet.
I've written it before and I'll reiterate it here...Canada needs a federal party that will not turn its back on the English speakers, the vast majority of this country outside of Quebec. They need only run candidates in predominantly Anglophone/ethnic constituencies in Quebec and forget the rest of Quebec that chronically and en masse votes for duh Bloc. At least this would give Anglophones a choice in Quebec and the rest of the Real Canada. I'll keep writing this until I'm blue in the fingers!
You probably have all read articles about the drop out rate in Quebec schools. Looking at the situation with this child, I would say that the Quebec government would be at fault for the high rate. A child like this will probably end up being a drop out rate statistic if it where not for the parents determination to help the child succeed. And instead of helping out the child and his parents, the Quebec government would rather have the child fail. This family went public with their problem. How many others have not?
ReplyDeleteI understand that the Quebec government is trying to force those children into the french society that they want to engineer. But, their actions and policies only create a resentment and a hate for all things french and all things quebecois. Like some strange biblical tale, or cheap horror story, Quebec is creating it's future enemies. Utterly bizarre.
One politician has it right in Canada (only one) with regards to Quebec and their predatory practices. This does not only involve their basic bigotry and hatred of anything anglo, but also extends to their treatment of other provinces. Quebec is not a good neighbor or member state of our confederation and should separate from Canada at the soonest.
ReplyDeleteThe man simply tells it like it is.
http://www.cpac.ca/forms/index.asp?dsp=template&act=view3&pagetype=vod&lang=e&clipID=4139
Check it out.
"forget the rest of Quebec that chronically and en masse votes for duh Bloc. At least this would give Anglophones a choice in Quebec and the rest of the Real Canada. I'll keep writing this until I'm blue in the fingers!"
ReplyDeleteJe ne sais pas dans quelle époque vous vivez ou sur quelle planète mais saviez-vous que plusieurs Québécois suivent attentivement vos échanges sur ce blogue?Êtes-vous conscient que vos propos ne font que renforcer les convictions indépendentistes de la plupart d'entre nous?
Je crois aussi que si le but de ce blogue est de convaincre les Québécois d'être plus ouverts a la minorité anglophone,vos lamentations ont plutôt l'effet inverse.Tout ce que vous faites est de contribuer indirectement a l'indépendance du Québec ou tout au moins a vous rendre totalement antipathique aux yeux des Québécois.
Luckily enough, it's not the PQ that is in power.
ReplyDeleteImagine what things would have been.
Merci monsieur Charest ;)!!
"saviez-vous que plusieurs Québécois suivent attentivement vos échanges sur ce blogue?Êtes-vous conscient que vos propos ne font que renforcer les convictions indépendentistes de la plupart d'entre nous?"
ReplyDeleteI couldn't care less what the Quebecois think about the contents of this blog and I suspect that many other contributors would agree with me. The Quebecois are already a lost cause...running a fascist police state. Quebec has been dragging down the rest of Canada for too long. It is nothing but a parasite. The sooner it leaves, the better.
"Je crois aussi que si le but de ce blogue est de convaincre les Québécois d'être plus ouverts a la minorité anglophone,vos lamentations ont plutôt l'effet inverse."
ReplyDeleteSorry, but anglos are no longer threatened by the threat of separation. We all know it's never going to happen and there's nothing you can do to change that. The separatist militants lost their battle. Duceppe (and those like him) have done nothing for Quebec. He has only one job: receiving a salary from the federal government.
Somehow, we need to forget about language and get to the real issue: Basic human rights. Here is an idea... abolish the Office de la langue francaise and funnel that money to women's shelters, etc.
" It is nothing but a parasite. The sooner it leaves, the better."
ReplyDeleteMessage reçu!Nous pouvons donc compter sur vous et vos amis au prochain référendum?Ne vous méprenez-pas tout ce débat n'a rien de personnel et si tous nos amis anglophones du Québec avaient la même attitude que vous en contribuant de façon démocratique a l'émancipation du Québec et des Québécois ,il n'y aurait plus de conflit.Tous pourrions vivrent enfin dans la paix et l'harmonie.Finalement ce blogue que nous croyions a tord anti-Québécois reussi a convertir
les plus convaincus d'entre-vous.Merci encore,nous comptons sur vous.
" The Quebecois are already a lost cause...running a fascist police state."
ReplyDeleteJe suis d'accord avec vous.J'avoue que la méthode est assez radicale et que le pire reste a venir malheureusement,surtout avec l'arrivée prochaine d'un gouvernement Péquiste a l'Assemblée Nationale.Nous ne sommes vraiment pas sorti du bois.Ces fascistes ont même élaboré un document prévoyant une série de mesures supplémentaires (comme si nous n'en avions pas assez) afin de contrer la croissance démographique anglophone et d'insiter davantage les nouveaux arrivants a adopter la langue officielle et majoritaire de ces Québécois racistes.Moi je dis que nous devrions mettre de la pression sur Johnny pendant que lui et son parti d'invertébrés sont encore au pouvoir.Parfois j'ai vraiment honte d'être Québécois et je ne sais vraiment plus pour qui voter.
That was a great link. Good for Danny Williams.One of the only honest, straight forward politicians in the country. One that knows that Quebec politicians are corrupt to the core. He calls a spade a spade and is bang on in pointing out that Hydro kebec is a drain on the country in every way, financially and socially. They have nothing to offer the country other then hatred, and intolerance. The truly sad thing is that these same people who have destroyed Quebec are doing the same thing in Ottawa as it spreads east and west. What a mess.
ReplyDelete"...a l'émancipation du Québec et des Québécois"
ReplyDeleteThis is the biggest load of bulls**t we hear from the separatists. Quebec is fully represented at the federal level and is free to govern itself for the most part. Quebec treats its minorities far worse than it could ever claim to be treated by the federal government in Ottawa.
I have friends in the U.S. and distant relatives overseas who are shocked by the state of affairs in Quebec. My relatives in Northern Ireland think that the situation in Quebec is worse than in their own country, which suffered through a civil war in recent years.
Quebec is communist. When the government interferes with the public's daily lives to THIS level and THIS extreme, they are a communist government. Mix in a good healthy dose of xenophobia and racism along side the communist control, and you've got the Liberal/Parti Quebecois governments of Quebec.
ReplyDeleteYou know what, F--K the Quebecois and their government. Ship them out to Haiti, they can live in the rubble and corruption (both of which will make them feel at home) and they can bask in French all they want. Or just annex Quebec as part of Haiti, Rwanda or Algeria. It has no business being annexed to Canada--Canadians believe in freedom and equal rights.
Premier Goldie Locks can be their new president, you're welcome to him.
GIHQ!*
*God I Hate Quebec
"They (Quebecois) have nothing to offer the country other then hatred, and intolerance."
ReplyDeleteEven French president Nicholas Sarkozy referred to this hatred a few years ago.
While being true, this really upset the country bumpkins Gilles Duceppe and Pauline Marois, who promptly rifled off a letter of disapproval to Mr. Sarcozy.
"Canadians believe in freedom and equal rights"
ReplyDeleteDaccord avec vous a 100% mais vous oubliez que nous ne sommes pas canayens.Nous sommes Québécois et la démocratie est une chose fort abstraite pour nous.Nos prisons sont pleines d'individus enfermés depuis des années dans des conditions inhumaines,pour leurs convictions politiques.Nous recevons continuellement des plaintes d'Amnistie internationnale a ce sujet.
"French president Nicholas Sarkozy"
ReplyDeleteCe pauvre minus n'a vraiment aucune leçon a donner a qui que se soit par les temps qui courent...parlez-en aux Français.De plus c'est un grand ami de Desmarrais (gesca/power corporation) le plus fédéraliste des fédéralistes canayens.Vous comprenez un peu plus maintenant?
Anonymous 5:42PM: "Is this trolling ? Always treating French of ''BS'' (what it means exactly ?) and racist, bigots ? Metis/french ? I do not see what this kind of comments add to the debate it's suppose to be ? "
ReplyDeleteThis guy again...
You know, frequency is also part of trolling. And YOU were flooding this board with 50 caustic and irrelevant comments per post - a feat unmatched by anyone else on this board...
In this case, bs=bullshit, but even if it were bien-etre social, I think it's fair game to point out that so many Francophones abuse the (over)generous welfare system we have in this province and country. I personally think that this abuse ties into what we have already discussed – the mentality of self-entitlement that is so pervasive in the Francophone population.
Also, what's wrong with "Metis-French"? How is that racist?
Editor, please don't fall for this troll's tricks...
"The truly sad thing is that these same people who have destroyed Quebec are doing the same thing in Ottawa as it spreads east and west."
ReplyDeleteJ'espère que vous nous croyez maintenant lorsqu'on vous dit que nous sommes très forts.Imaginez maintenant comment nous serions tout puissant si vous combattiez avec nous au lieu de diviser nos forces.Nous serions encore plus puissant que les américains,surtout en ce moment.Pensez-y!
Hydro kebec?
ReplyDeleteVous voulez surement dire Hydro Québéc,bientôt la plus grande puissance Hydro-électrique Nord américaine.Je peux vous assurez que les plus grands perdants dans toute cette histoire sont les Nouveau Brunswickois.Ils auraient pu diminuer de beaucoup leurs tarifs tout en conservant leur système de transport électrique dans les meilleures conditions.Nous leur avons proposé une bonne affaire,il n'ont pas sauté sur l'occasion...tant pis,ce sera pour une prochaine fois.Le Vermont (et bientôt tous les états voisins) ont le sens des affaires et ont reconnu en nous un bon partenaire en plus de reconnaître que nous vendons une énergie verte et renouvelable.C'est pas comme les projets totalement utopiques et ridicules des newfondlandais.
"Or just annex Quebec as part of Haiti, Rwanda or Algeria."
ReplyDeletePourquoi pas en Louisianne?Moins cher,vu la proximité et vous avez déja des liens d'affaires concernant le transport d'humains.Ils vous feraient certainement un bon prix.
Why can't the federal government declare the PLQ/PQ is abusing their power, breaking Canadian law, and forcibly remove them? Replace them with a neutral and democratic government (similar to the situation in Iraq) and REBUILD THIS PIECE SHIT PROVINCE from the ground up!
ReplyDeleteI'm kid you not, Quebec is like Iraq. The government needs to be over thrown and toppled
If there is resistance or violence, send in the army.
Imagine if we had a government that properly rebuilt all the roads and bridges in the province to follow standards of the rest of the world. Imagine if we had hospitals and health care, proper school, a non-corrupt police force, equal rights for everyone in the province (i.e. being French would no longer mean you have more rights or a so-called superior race).
Where would we get the money to rebuild? Simple, stop all the bloody corruption and stealing the current government does. Imagine if our tax dollars actually went into fixing roads or paying for hospital, NOT lining the personal pockets of officials.
IT HAS TO BE DONE. If no one steps in, eventually there will be violence and killing, but from the Quebecois who will decide to switch from soft ethnic cleansing to hard.
Mississauga Guy here with my sights this time on AUGUST 15, 2010 11:42 AM: Ask me if I care about fueling the fire of the separatists. I have one thing to say about Quebec separation after having lived there half my life and having attended the el cheapo universities to then leave the day after my convocation: GO FOR IT! PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE, GO FOR IT!
ReplyDeleteAs per [NF Premier] Danny Williams address to the Canadian Club in Ottawa in June (to paraphrase): Quebec is screwing the s--t out of NF and ON, even MB. I'm fed up with a rabid, racist, biased Quebec that is ruining the Real Canada, and most upsettingly, getting away with it.
THIS IS EXACTLY, EXACTLY WHY WE NEED A FEDERAL PARTY THAT CARES FOR THE REAL CANADA, AND PUTS QUEBEC IN THE BACK SEAT WHERE IT DESERVES TO BE! Such party would not force separation, it would not hold a referendum, but it would return Quebec back to its proportionate share of federal government allocations (22% for 22% of the population), and would force Quebec to raise its own revenues or face reduction in equalization payments to the equivalent of how much Quebec could raise its own revenues through fair market value of hydro rates, through the going rate of university tuitions and other means of collecting its own revenues other than through equalization payments. $7-a-day daycare spaces? RIDICULOUS! PREPOSTEROUS! ...At least in other provinces that don't get equalization.
If Quebec goes, GREAT! Then Quebec will be FORCED to raise hydro rates to its own people, then Quebec will be FORCED to raise tuition fees to something closer to the national average, then Quebec will be FORCED to reduce tax relief and RAISE texes to even higher levels than they are now and Quebec will be FORCED to reduce the $7-a-day daycare subsidy that goes to lazy welfare asses who can then afford to drop their kids off and fart around their homes all day smoking and watching TV.
I'd love to see Quebec pay what the rest of us are paying for similar goods and services and STILL PROBABLY HAVE TO RAISE TAXES to make up for all the lost federal money. Quebec is the 6th most indebted jurisdiction IN THE WORLD on a per-capita basis.
I'd be very happy, delirious to know the rest of us won't be sucked dry for over $10 billion of transfer payments every year from our coffers to Quebec's.
Do I care if Quebec separates? NO! Do I care if they go as bankrupt as Zimbabwe if they choose to leave Canada? NO!
SEPARATION, QUEBEC? GO FOR IT! PLEASE! PRETTY PLEASE! YOU WILL, AND I DO MEAN WILL, GET WHAT YOU DESERVE! Become another Zimbabwe were $100 billion of their dollars no longer even buys the three eggs it used to, and Greece which is on the cusp of bankruptcy. GO FOR IT! GOOD-BYE, GOOD LUCK AND GOOD RIDDANCE!
@Anonymus August 15, 2010 11:42 AM
ReplyDeleteJ'ai pris connaissance de quelques-uns des articles de ce blogue ainsi que des commentaires postés et j'en arrive à la conclusion que ces gens n'en valent pas la peine. Il y a mieux à faire que de lire leur braillage de frustrés. En terminant, j'en ai une bonne pour toi : Do you know the difference between an Anglo-Quebecer and an English-Canadian ? The first one is a second-class citizen and the second one is a second-class american.
"Anglo-Quebecer and an English-Canadian ? The first one is a second-class citizen and the second one is a second-class american."
ReplyDeleteNous le savons tous sauf eux.Soit ils l'ignore,soit ils ne l'accepte tout simplement pas.Peut-être un jour vont-ils comprendre.Pour ma part je viens faire un tour sur ce blogue pour évaluer leur niveau de frustration.Je constate une augmentation a chacune de mes visites.Je crois qu'ils devraient se séparer du Québec et s'annexer avec les américains.Ça reviendrait a dire de connecter la grange avec la maison des maîtres...après quelques rénovations,bien sur.
For the ex-Quebecer now lives in Mississauga:
ReplyDeleteFrom a strictly legal point of view, the government does not violate Bill 101. Remember that the Minister can grant exemption based on a committee recommendation for a particular situation. In other words, it is a very subjective decision which the Minister may take in her own discreton.
From what I know, exemption is usually be granted if the child shows that education in English is essential to overcome his special needs AND that there is no good support system available for him in French.
Since his father (M. Leblanc) is a Francophone, I guess that the Ministry does not consider his needs for an English education to be that severe since he comes from a Francophone family. And of course, the mother does not matter since she is an American educated in the United States.
"Do you know the difference between an Anglo-Quebecer and an English-Canadian ? The first one is a second-class citizen and the second one is a second-class american."
ReplyDeleteAnd the Quebecois have no class at all. What a vile bunch they are.
@ Aug. 15, 10:26 PM:
ReplyDelete"Je peux vous assurez que les plus grands perdants dans toute cette histoire sont les Nouveau Brunswickois."
The New Brunswickers realized the absolute folly of allowing Hydro-Quebec (an extension of the corrupt Quebec government) have control over their electrical grid, which affects so many aspects of their lives.
"C'est pas comme les projets totalement utopiques et ridicules des newfondlandais."
In what way are these hydro projects utopian and ridiculous? Please elaborate.
When Quebec entered confederation in 1867, the northern two thirds of the province was part of Rupert's Land, a territory of British North America. Parts of Rupert's Land were later given to Quebec as a PROVINCE of Canada. This included most of the area where the James Bay hydro-electric installations are located. If Quebec eventually separates, it should be partitioned and all of this land should be returned to Canada - including the hydro installations. If the partitioning of Quebec has to be backed up by force of arms, then so be it.
"Quebec has to be backed up by force of arms, then so be it."
ReplyDeleteOui mon général!Nous sommes assez intelligents pour comprendre que vous(1:23pm)êtes une aberration chronologique et que vous ne représentez qu'une très petite minorité chez vos compatriotes...Une chance!Car il y a longtemps que nous serions plongés dans une guerre civile très sanglante.Je pourrais gager ma chemise que vous êtes un ancien millitaire ayant servi les forces Britanniques.En tout cas vous en avez les séquelles.
"Somehow, we need to forget about language and get to the real issue: Basic human rights. Here is an idea... abolish"
ReplyDeleteSi,justement,La question est de faire respecter nos lois sur notre territoire.Il ne s'agit pas ici d'une question de vie ou de mort.Il s'agit bel et bien d'une préférence linguistique,Ou les anglophone sont très bien servis en amérique du Nord et même ailleurs.Alors lâchez-nous avec vos droits humains.Vous oubliez nos droits collectifs et vos devoirs individuels envers le Québec.Bien entendu,si vous avez le moindre sentiment d'appartenance avec notre nation.
To August 16, 1:23 PM.
ReplyDeleteThe partition of a territory does not exist in international law. This practice is rejected by the international community and United Nations. This means that when Québec will declare independence the territory will remain the same. You should do some research before repeating what your drug dealer says or your friend interned in psychiatric hospital.
Troy what a load of BS, your dogma blinds you of all humanity, no wonder you don't understand how mean and petty you and the bureaucrats of the education dept are when such case arise, if they showed some compassion and caring this would not have made the news. Dogma is part of Quebec mindset, anyone who oppose or have an opinion that differs are the devil incarnate, sounds like the return of the duplessis era. Heck has it ever left.
ReplyDeleteTo the Editor:
ReplyDelete9:33 AM: "Do you know the difference between an Anglo-Quebecer and an English-Canadian ? The first one is a second-class citizen and the second one is a second-class american."
2:46 PM: "You should do some research before repeating what your drug dealer says or your friend interned in psychiatric hospital."
I thought that racist comments or jokes and personal attacks would no longer be tolerated on this blog. If the individual making "Metis-French" comments is to be sanctioned, then certainly this troll should be too.
"The partition of a territory does not exist in international law. This practice is rejected by the international community and United Nations."
ReplyDeleteWhat about Ireland? It has been partitioned into the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. Yugoslavia has broken up into many pieces. Quebec can be partioned as well. Many politicians have discussed this option.
Incidentally, the United Nations has chastised Quebec for human rights violations because of its despicable, draconian, and despotic language laws.
To Anonymous @3:24PM
ReplyDeleteYou are right about the troll "difference between...anglo-Quebecer blah.bah..."
I published this troll because it is the subject of tomorrow's piece.
Glad people are paying attention!
To 3:37 PM
ReplyDeleteIn 1992, the Assemblée nationale du Québec published a legal opinion made by five experts : Thomas M. Franck, Becker Professor, School of Law, Director, Center of International Studies, New York University ; Rosalyn Higgins, Q.C., Professor, London School of Economics, Member of the Committee of Human Rights ; Alain Pellet, Associate Professor of Public Law, Université de Paris X-Nanterre and Institut d'études politiques de Paris, Member of the International Law Commission of the United Nations ; Malcom N. Shaw, Professor, Faculty of Law, University of Leicester ; and Christian Tomuschat, Professor, Institut für Volkerrecht, Bonn University, President of the International Law Commission of the United Nations. The conclusion of the legal opinion is unequivocal : the borders of a sovereign Québec would be those current Québec. That said, you can continue to keep your head in the sand.
RE: August 16, 2010 4:59 PM
ReplyDeleteYou left out a very important element of your argument quoting the 5 legal experts:
Note below from pdf link: www.saic.gouv.qc.ca/publications/territoire-a.pdf
“Opinions of Five International Experts
In 1991, a special commission of the National Assembly solicited the opinions of five international experts on issues related to Québec's accession to sovereignty. The opinion written by these experts, entitled L'intégrité territoriale du Québec dans l'hypothèse de l'accession à la souveraineté, is available upon request. These eminent jurists, who are experts on international law, unanimously agreed that:”
“As long as Québec is part of Canada, the integrity of its territory is guaranteed by Canadian constitutional law;”
"The conclusion of the legal opinion is unequivocal : the borders of a sovereign Québec would be those current Québec. That said, you can continue to keep your head in the sand."
ReplyDeleteNot my fight here but I doubt it very much considering the first nations would have claim to their lands in Quebec. If Canada is divisable then so is Quebec. Partition any one?
This was a factor in the 1995 where the first nations really didn't want anything to do with the separation of Quebec. That was then, now, the first nations have more influence and power than they did during the last referendum.
Legal opinions are a dime a dozen. What matters is realities.
Separatists keep deceiving themselves that a one-off decision of a committee of FIVE "experts" that convened only ONCE and deliberated while on the payroll of Bourassa's government will be the final word on the issue.
ReplyDeleteThe situation is simple. If Quebec plays by the rules and 1.asks a clear and concise question, 2. counts the votes honestly, and lets the UN or the feds oversee the vote count, and 3.secures a clear majority, then it won't have to worry about claims to partition. But if it pulls the prank it tried in 1995 (with the run-on sentence for a question and massive vote fraud in the Chomedey riding), it can be almost certain that partitionists will come out of the woodwork the very next day.
Also, an issue of territorial integrity of a place as ethnically complex as Quebec, with the French, English, Allophone, and Native population, it would take a longer deliberation of a MUCH larger panel of TRULY international experts to decide the “divisibility” of Quebec.
"A SOVEREIGN Québec Will Keep Its Borders"
ReplyDeleteNous sommes tous daccord pour dire qu'un Québec souverain ne serait plus dans le Canada donc ne serait plus assujetti a ses règles.Je pense que c'est assez clair dans le texte.Aucune ambiguité possible.De plus,les villes n'ont aucun pouvoir juridique a ce niveau.Ou s'arreterait les subdivisions par la suite?Montréal coupée en 2? En 3? Entre l'Est et L'ouest.Rien de mieux qu'un bon texte légal et officiel afin de se prévenir de demandes aussi farfelues qu'inusités.
To 5:54 PM
ReplyDeleteFirst Nations living in Québec know one thing : they have a better life here than the rest of Canada and there are statistics about it. The basis of this is since New France the French have made a partnership with First Nations. A partnership based on shared territory. And as you know we have made children with them. We are so close to them that many representatives of First Nations came last september to Le moulin à paroles. They came to talk about the British conquest, the life together since that moment and the common future.
On the contrary, when the English conquered New France, in perfect racists they are, they rejected First Nations in driving them from their lands. Later, English put them on reservations and tried to assimilate them. Your prime minister recently apologized about that.
So when the country of Québec will be true, First Nations will watch what is in the balance. And I think they will prefer Québec instead of Canada.
@ Dartagnan at 6:39 PM,
ReplyDeleteYou're a prime example of Quebecois hypocrisy and double standards...stating that Canada is divisible but Quebec is not.
Anglophone communities fought to demerge from the Montreal agglomeration, keeping the future in mind. The western area of the island of Montreal could become part of a new province of "West Quebec" or could join with Ontario.
Who will ensure that the current borders of Quebec stay intact if it attempts to separate?...the Surete du Quebec? That would be a tremendous joke. The SQ couldn't even handle uprisings on two tiny Mohawk reserves during the Oka crisis twenty years ago.
To Anonymous 7:41 PM
ReplyDeleteYou honestly believe that the first nations would willingly join a separate Quebec? Perhaps a brief consultation of the referendum results of 1995 will clear your head on the matter. (http://www2.parl.gc.ca/content/lop/researchpublications/bp412-e.htm)
When an overwhelming majority of those voting decide that they do not want to be part of a sovereign Quebec, I ask you to reconsider just what it is that they would prefer in choosing between Quebec or Canada. Dwelling further on the aboriginal issue (despite obviously going far off topic), Parizeau himself is quoted as saying that even if Quebec would separate, Canada would still have to take care of the aboriginal issue with regards to the more unruly elements. This was after the time when the RCMP and later Canadian troops needed to be called in order to deal with the Mohawks during the Oka crisis (this quote can be viewed on the CBC documentary “Breaking Point- The 1995 Referendum”). Essentially, Parizeau was willing to wash his hands of any responsibility with regards to the First Nations and dump it on Canada’s lap even after separation. I know it must be irresistible to invoke injustices of the past to win an argument, but what does it say if you are willing to ignore the injustices of today?
Another point regarding this issue, I find it curious that you would state such a comment on this blog of all places. Just to make you aware, the editor has posted a video of Quebeckers throwing stones on the Mohawks of Kahnawake (read the article and see the video here http://nodogsoranglophones.blogspot.com/2010/06/holier-than-thou-opposition-demands.html) so if you are going to makes claims of English racism well...may he or she who has never sinned cast the first stone.
"The SQ couldn't even handle uprisings on two tiny Mohawk reserves"
ReplyDeleteQui sont équipés de AK47,de grenades,de dynamites et de bombes artisanales,sans oublier les tomahawks.Je crois pas que les habitants de westmount soient équipés de la sorte,a moins d'être un membre en règle du parti libéral.
To Anonymous at 7:49 PM,
ReplyDeleteThe relations between the Natives and the French have changed since the time of New France. Large numbers of Natives in Quebec prefer to live and work in English.
I have made several trips to Inuit villages in Nunavik, in northern Quebec. The people there speak English as a second language, rather than French. They dislike the Quebecois. While visiting the area, I met a former Parti Quebecois cabinet minister who had been responsible for Native affairs. He told me that he considered the limited autonomy of the Inuit to be a "comedy." There's respect for you.
Speaking of Oka, here are some YOUTUBE videos that show how well the Quebecois have treated Indians in recent memory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYB-aF_MlB0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVlwoAtDwfw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKBOTGnxpBo
"Surete du Quebec? That would be a tremendous joke"
ReplyDeleteQue dire de l'armée canadienne,incapable d'arrivée a bout d'une bande de barbus cachés dans les montagnes afghanes.C'est rendu qu'ils font exploser un canayen par semaine...très redoutables.On a juste a se laisser pousser la barbe et se cacher sur le mont-royal et le tour est joué.L'équipement de l'armée canayenne est plus dangereux que l'armée elle-même...faut l'faire!
To Networked_Gestalt_Intellect
ReplyDeleteConcernant la position des Premières Nations à l'égard du Québec et du Canada, nous verrons bien ce qui arrivera après un éventuel référendum gagnant. Mais ce qui compte vraiment c'est de gagner le prochain référendum, pour enfin sortir de votre Canada. Et pour aussi favoriser le départ massif d'Anglais et d'immigrants anglicisés, comme ce fut le cas à la fin des années 1970. Nous débarrasser autant que possible de cette minorité encombrante, qui vit sur une terre qui n'est pas sienne, sera déjà une grande réussite.
To 9:02
Il est vrai que les Premières Nations du nord parlent anglais puisque ce sont les Anglais qui ont occupé le Grand Nord. C'est aussi vrai pour les Mohaws de Kahnawake et de Kanesatake, mais pas pour les Premières Nations de l'Abitibi, du Lac-Saint-Jean et de l'est du Québec.
Anonymous 8:30PM: "You're a prime example of Quebecois hypocrisy and double standards...stating that Canada is divisible but Quebec is not."
ReplyDeleteThis hypocrisy is best exemplified by Gerald Larose, who said: "There is not one people in Canada. There are two peoples. Quebec is a people and Canada is another people and we have our territory. That is why Canada is divisible, Quebec un-divisible". (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_Quebec). This in itself shows how detached from reality and from common sense are some Quebec nationalists. It's as if the rules of logic don't apply to them. These people exist in some parallel universe.
In the meantime, all that is needed is a referendum with a clear question ("Do you want Quebec to become an independent state? Yes/No"). The fact that they're so afraid of posing a clear question (and of the Clarity Act in general) shows that their case is weak. In the words of PQ's own Jonathan Valois, Quebec independence movement is becoming "folklorized", with most of its supporters falling in the upper age brackets.
"Et pour aussi favoriser le départ massif d'Anglais et d'immigrants anglicisés, comme ce fut le cas à la fin des années 1970. Nous débarrasser autant que possible de cette minorité encombrante,..."
ReplyDeleteDaccord avec toi mais on n'a pas besoin d'attendre un prochain référendum.Avec l'arrivée prochaine d'un nouveau gouvernement Péquiste et ses nouvelles mesures linguistiques,une bonne partie du travail sera entamé.Avec ce que j'ai vu jusqu'a maintenant de ce nouveau projet,ça devrait en décourager plus d'un.J'ai l'impression que quelques membres de ce blogues auront besoin d'un nouveau stimulateur cardiaque.
Même les librals de Johnny frisettes travaillent pour nous avec la loi 103 (pas encore parfaite)mais c'est tout de même un exploit pour eux...Ils sentent la pression et c'est très bon signe.
"d'un nouveau gouvernement Péquiste et ses nouvelles mesures linguistiques"
ReplyDeleteOnce the language of world diplomacy and world literature, now reduced to petty language laws that desperately try to reverse the irreversible process of "folklorisation" of Joual.
The "new linguistic measures" promised by the PQ will be the last ditch effort, and that's if they win. After that, it's bye bye Montreal, and welcome the regions.
"... and that's if they win..."
ReplyDeleteVous semblez quelqu'un de sensé,quelque peu émotif,mais sensé.Croyez-vous vraiment que les libéraux ont des chances de retourner a l'Assemblée Nationale?Vos propos laissent transparaître une certaine animausité,certaines frustrations et je ne croirais pas que le conflit linguistique Québécois en soit la source principale.Votre mépris semble plus profond que les autres anglos.Vous n'acceptez pas la petite devinette lancée récemment sur ce blogue?Je sais, elle est très méchante mais cruellement vraie.En passant notre combat dure depuis plus de 300 ans et c'est pas demain qu'il s'arrêtera.
My loyal subjects. I am sadden to see your disheartening discourse about the British colony known as Quebec. Please understand you are all citizens of Great Britain, and that English is now your official language. For 247 years we've allowed you to keep your language and culture, but oh my word, what a terrible tragedy and error that has been. We deeply apologize for any inconvenience this experiment has caused.
ReplyDeleteNow then, we must insist that all Quebec flags be taken down immediately. Upon doing so, these flags must be stamped on with muddy feet, urinated on and then promptly burned, whilst singing "God save the queen". You shall fly the Union Jack and eat English muffins three times a day. Hence forth, you are all British citizens. Long live New, New England (formerly known as the province of Quebec). If you agree with this, please respond angrily in French, this will be our secret acknowledgment that your committed to becoming full fledged English colonists.
Be seeing you.
your majesty,
Queen Elizabeth the second
"Croyez-vous vraiment que les libéraux ont des chances de retourner a l'Assemblée Nationale?"
ReplyDeleteIls vont retourner sûrement, peut-etre comme la partie d'opposition, ou peut etre comme la partie gouvermental. La PQ a rien a offrir.
"Votre mépris semble plus profond que les autres anglos"
En plus de cela, je suis même pas un Anglo. Je suis un Allo. Et, bien sur, le mot du jour...on pourrait pas procéder sans le mot "mepris"....
"Vos propos laissent transparaître une certaine animausité,certaines frustrations"
Et alors?
"En passant notre combat dure depuis plus de 300 ans et c'est pas demain qu'il s'arrêtera. "
Exactememnt. Votre combat dure deja 300 ans. Ca fait tres longtemps. Pour les immigrants, c'est tres fatigant et ennervant de venir ici en cherchant la stabilité, mais au lieu de cala, ne trouver que des sepratistes-racistes qui semblent vivre dans le 18e siècle.
"...trouver que des sepratistes-racistes qui semblent vivre dans le 18e siècle."
ReplyDeleteEt alors?Je vois que vous étiez très bien informé sur la situation politique et linguistique Québécoise avant d'y poser les pieds...un de plus.Vous n'aviez pas ce que vous recherchez (la stabilité) dans votre pays d'origine?Si j'étais un immigrant comme vous, Monsieur Adski,j'éviterais de qualifier les gens qui m'acceuil de racistes et de fascistes.
"j'éviterais de qualifier les gens qui m'acceuil de racistes et de fascistes. "
ReplyDelete1. Vous ne l'evitereais pas si ces gens etaient des racistes et fascistes. Si vous etiez un immigrant au Quebec, je peux vous garantir que vous n'echapperiez pas d'utilisation des mots fortes.
2. Il faut dire quelques paroles sur cette grande affaire de "acceuil" des immigrnats par les Quebecois. Je trouve que ca, c'est un des mots les plus sur-utililise par les nationalistes Quebecois, a cote de "langue", "culture", "peuple", "souvereignte", etc...Moi, je ne suis pas capable de me rappeler un tapis rouge déroulé devant moi quand je debarquais de l'avion. Aussi, je ne me souviens pas de recevoir de l'aide de quelqe'un Francophone - ce n'etaient que des membres de ma communauté qui m'ont aide. De Quebecois, je ne rappel que "l'argent et le vote ethnique" exclamé par le premier du Quebec lui-meme. Alors, essayons de ne pas utiliser des mots qui ne s'appliqent pas. Comme "accueillir", par example.
Dartagnan said...@August 17, 2010 11:12 AM
ReplyDelete"Si j'étais un immigrant comme vous"
You are!
Je ne crois pas,mes ancêtres sont arrivée a Québec en 1610 (fondation de Québec) j'ose espérer que vous ne me considéré pas comme un Tamoul récemment débarqué.Tous mes ancêtres ont contribué au développement du Québec depuis 400 ans.Quand vous êtes nouvellement engagé dans une entreprise,avez vous la même reconnaissance et le mëme salaire qu'un employé (a travail égal) qui y travaille depuis 35 ans?
ReplyDelete"...Vous ne l'evitereais pas si ces gens etaient des racistes et fascistes..."
ReplyDeleteSi c'était le cas vous ne seriez pas ici pour vous plaindre.Nommez-moi un pays dans ce monde qui vous aurais déroulé un tapis rouge.Auriez-vous un complexe de supériorité par hasard?
"Nommez-moi un pays dans ce monde qui vous aurais déroulé un tapis rouge."
ReplyDeleteIl n'y a aucune, et le Quebec n'est pas unique à cet égard. Alors, ne disons pas que le Quebec "accueille" les immigrants, parceque il ne le fait pas. Le Quebec "ouvre ses portes" pour les immigrants, mais il a plus a faire avec le faible taux de natalité au Quebec, que avec un désir d'ajouter des étrangers à la société Quebecoise.
Dartagnan said...@August 18, 2010 3:37 PM
ReplyDelete"mes ancêtres sont 'arrivée' a Québec en 1610"
You mean they IMMIGRATED!
"fondation de Québec" - Were the natives "lost"?
"j'ose espérer que vous ne me considéré pas
comme un Tamoul récemment débarqué"
They aren't Canadian citizens, you are!
However, to think you deserve different rights
than your fellow Canadians because of an
accident of birth (ie. born French Canadian)
is racist!
"...ie. born French Canadian"
ReplyDeleteJe ne suis pas né "canadiens Français",je suis né Québécois donc Français par définition,vous êtes égaré.
Dartagnan said...@August 23, 2010 3:52 PM
ReplyDelete" Je ne suis pas né "canadiens Français""
Yes, you were. To speak differently disgraces
your ancestors.
"je suis né Québécois donc Français par
définition"
I'm sure your narrow little mind sees it that
way but not all Quebecers are French speakers.
@Anonymous 12:07PM
ReplyDeleteIt's irrelevant how he defines himself. This whole thing about not being a French Canadian, and being a Quebecois, is a digression. The point is that many people of Francophone extraction residing in Quebec exhibit an extraordinary amount of self entitlement, as you correctly pointed out: "However, to think you deserve different rights than your fellow Canadians because of an accident of birth (ie. born French Canadian) is racist!".
How they choose to label themselves is irrelevant.
"How they choose to label themselves is irrelevant"
ReplyDeleteGotta disagree with you on that one adski.
The seps have been co-opting (and redefining)
labels for years:
Quebec - a French only entitiy (bullshit)
Quebecer - " " /white person (racism)
Patriot - a separtist
Traitor - a federalist
Quebecers like Dartagnan are a minority in
Quebec, thankfully, but they do seek to confuse
through the (miss)use of labels.
They did redefine terminology, and they have revised history. Essentially, they excluded the bit where France colonized half of North America and then sold Louisiana to the American Colonies and lost the rest in a REGULAR (one army belonging to a European superpower vs another army belonging to a European superpower) war with the British. In its place, they inserted an almost “martyrological” piece about being colonized by the British, and cleverly omitted the fact that the REAL colonized people live on reserves all over Quebec, with teenage suicide rates and unemployment soaring into double digits.
ReplyDeleteThe also created a new social "science" entirely devoted to the separatist cause and headquartered at UQAM. Through manipulation very little regard for reality, and attempted to work backwards from what’s written on paper to what should exist in reality. They set on a path to "realize what's official", instead of doing like other countries do and "officialize what's real". They have failed for the most part, but it doesn’t mean that they haven’t tried and many of them are still pursuing these goals. All the bickering coming from Quebec nationalists that there is so much English in Quebec even though Quebec is "officially" French is a result of this warped, twisted, destructive thinking that has come out of UQAM and infected a large chunk of Quebecois society.
These things are NOT irrelevant. They are very relevant.
However, in this case, they guy wants you to get bogged down in distinctions between French Canadian and Quebecois simply to dodge your point. By irrelevant, I meant to say that we have to learn to ignore these kinds of sidetracks that Quebec nationalists often employ to evade good points against them. We can't let them do that. They will always try to derail the conversation (either through cynicism, irrelevance, or distortion), but we must be able to put it back on track.
"...but we must be able to put it back on track."
ReplyDeleteAdski: Qui êtes-vous exactement?Un néo canadians?Qui allez vous remettre dans le droit chemin?C'est nous qui décidons nos lois et surtout qui nous sommes,pas le gouvernement et certainement pas vous qui demeurez au Québec par dépit et avez encore un statut précaire.Un conseil: mesurez vos propos raciste.