The 'boiling frog fable' describes a frog being slowly boiled alive. The premise being that if a frog is suddenly thrust into boiling water, it will jump out, but if the frog is put in cold water which is then brought to a boil gradually, it will not perceive the danger and will be slowly cooked to death. The story is often used as a metaphor for the inability or unwillingness of people to react to or be aware of sinister threats that arise gradually rather than suddenly. WikipediaFor years Quebec separatist journalists have been bemoaning the fact that immigration has upset the linguistic and demographic balance of Montreal with old-stock francophones seeing their demographic weight reduced year after year to the effect that Quebec is being cleaved linguistically and culturally into two distinct camps...Montreal versus the ROQ (Rest of Quebec.)
Those prescient predictions have largely fallen on deaf ears as the Quebec Liberals while in power have ignored the shift because it served its electoral purpose as the immigrants voted massively for their party, In the recent provincial election, the Liberals retained 19 out of 25 seats on the island, proof that despite the CAQ blowout in the rest of the province, Montreal marches to a different tune.
The new Premier, true to his roots and his old-stock francophone base in the ROQ, felt emboldened to launch the first volley in the war on Montreal by attacking religious garb, something that already brought down the PQ in the past, in its own futile and disastrous attempt to put minorities in their place.
With an impressive election victory in hand and no political obligation to Montreal, the new Premier, feeling his oats, is foolishly choosing to go after Montreal ethnics, rewarding his base with an attack on 'les autres.' It certainly played well in the boonies, not so much in Montreal.
For Legault, there seems to be no political downside to the attack.
He could not be more wrong.
For those who want to see Montreal become the 11th province, things couldn't be working out better, where the accrued polarization of Montreal and the ROQ is the prelude to the separation of Montreal from Quebec.
For those who pooh-pooh the very idea that Montreal could ever separate from Quebec, let me remind them that monumental political change sometimes happens rather abruptly, like the collapse of communism in the Soviet Union or the fall of the Berlin Wall leading to the reunification of Germany.
Where the symptoms of disaffection brew for decades, the final act may seem surprising, when it is anything but.
No one can dispute that Montreal and Quebec are headed on separate political courses and the election of the CAQ, wholly siding with one side will serve only to exacerbate the cleavage between the two as demographic forces in Montreal play out where the weight of old-school francophones is diminishing each year.
The quick rejection in Montreal of Legault's new policy on religious garb wasn't unexpected and the demonstrations that greeted the announcement may have been satisfying for Legault and his supporters because he and the CAQ believe that it is a fight in which they will prevail, a huge political win for his base which has hankered to put Montreal, its Anglos and ethnics in their place for some time.
But the victory over religious garb may actually be Pyrrhic in nature and like British Townshend Acts which imposed taxes on staples like tea in the American colonies, it may well serve only to inflame independence aspirations in Montreal.
The harsher the treatment of Montreal ethnics and Anglos, (something that the CAQ base relishes) the further along Montreal veers towards independence.
Even Montreal's current leftist mayor, Valerie Plante, herself no fan of federalism, feels impelled to walk a fine line, defending and opposing the CAQ plan at the same time.
But should Montreal elect a truly federalist mayor next election, it will set the scene for some mighty fireworks between Montreal and the Quebec government, with Legault's freedom to attack Montreal seriously challenged.
A Montreal mayor demanding special status will send shock waves through the political establishment in Quebec and like Canada in its dealings with an ornery Quebec, decisions will have to be made to either placate Montreal's demands for special treatment or run the risk of sovereignty.
It is a delicious prospect that I cannot wait for and certainly a case of just desserts.
The CAQ seems to have a free hand in dealing with Montreal now, but Legault would be smart to be prudent.
Montreal remains the economic engine and the heart of Quebec, with the wherewithal to become the 11th province should it choose so.
Pushed too hard, Montreal with its clearly defined borders can easily fend for itself as a province, something that would be massively supported in the rest of Canada.
Quebec nationalists who believe that this should never be allowed to happen under any circumstances and that Montreal belongs to Quebec, need to understand that those who live by the sword can also die by the sword.
With the demographic shift marching onward, a 50% +1 vote by those living on the island on Montreal to leave Quebec and become Canada's eleventh province can be a reality within a decade.
The new province would enjoy instant Canadian and international recognition.
So if Legault, the CAQ and its base plan to pound Montreal into becoming another Quebec City forcing the anglos and ethics to adopt the French language exclusively, abandoning their religion and singing 'Alouette' while changing their diet to steamed hot dogs, poutine and maple syrup, they are bound for miserable shock.
Montreal is not Quebec city and never will be. It is and will continue to evolve as cosmopolitan, urbane and diverse city, worthy of international stature.
Those in the CAQ and their old-stock francophone supporters in the boonies that think that they can force Montreal into becoming the backwater that the ROQ is, are doomed to failure.
So let François Legault, the eager-beaver Premier, have his fun as he takes power believing he can reshape Montreal.
It won't take long before he realizes the limitations of his power and if he dares to play rough, it is he who will be burned.
Like George III and his Parliament found out, passing oppressive and unpopular legislation from afar, forces the imposed upon to decide whether to obey or revolt.
Montreal is too strong to acquiesce to redneck laws that are out of touch with its reality and so sooner or later, Legault may find himself facing a Montreal version of the Boston Tea Party.
The new Premier, true to his roots and his old-stock francophone base in the ROQ, felt emboldened to launch the first volley in the war on Montreal by attacking religious garb, something that already brought down the PQ in the past, in its own futile and disastrous attempt to put minorities in their place.
With an impressive election victory in hand and no political obligation to Montreal, the new Premier, feeling his oats, is foolishly choosing to go after Montreal ethnics, rewarding his base with an attack on 'les autres.' It certainly played well in the boonies, not so much in Montreal.
For Legault, there seems to be no political downside to the attack.
He could not be more wrong.
For those who want to see Montreal become the 11th province, things couldn't be working out better, where the accrued polarization of Montreal and the ROQ is the prelude to the separation of Montreal from Quebec.
For those who pooh-pooh the very idea that Montreal could ever separate from Quebec, let me remind them that monumental political change sometimes happens rather abruptly, like the collapse of communism in the Soviet Union or the fall of the Berlin Wall leading to the reunification of Germany.
Where the symptoms of disaffection brew for decades, the final act may seem surprising, when it is anything but.
No one can dispute that Montreal and Quebec are headed on separate political courses and the election of the CAQ, wholly siding with one side will serve only to exacerbate the cleavage between the two as demographic forces in Montreal play out where the weight of old-school francophones is diminishing each year.
The quick rejection in Montreal of Legault's new policy on religious garb wasn't unexpected and the demonstrations that greeted the announcement may have been satisfying for Legault and his supporters because he and the CAQ believe that it is a fight in which they will prevail, a huge political win for his base which has hankered to put Montreal, its Anglos and ethnics in their place for some time.
But the victory over religious garb may actually be Pyrrhic in nature and like British Townshend Acts which imposed taxes on staples like tea in the American colonies, it may well serve only to inflame independence aspirations in Montreal.
The harsher the treatment of Montreal ethnics and Anglos, (something that the CAQ base relishes) the further along Montreal veers towards independence.
Even Montreal's current leftist mayor, Valerie Plante, herself no fan of federalism, feels impelled to walk a fine line, defending and opposing the CAQ plan at the same time.
"I'm in favour of neutrality of the State, but this bill is ill-conceived. The government must go back to the drawing board"Mayor Plante seems also to be advancing the idea of Montreal as a nation-state, having taken the remarkable decision to remove the Quebec flag from municipal buildings.
But should Montreal elect a truly federalist mayor next election, it will set the scene for some mighty fireworks between Montreal and the Quebec government, with Legault's freedom to attack Montreal seriously challenged.
A Montreal mayor demanding special status will send shock waves through the political establishment in Quebec and like Canada in its dealings with an ornery Quebec, decisions will have to be made to either placate Montreal's demands for special treatment or run the risk of sovereignty.
It is a delicious prospect that I cannot wait for and certainly a case of just desserts.
The CAQ seems to have a free hand in dealing with Montreal now, but Legault would be smart to be prudent.
Montreal remains the economic engine and the heart of Quebec, with the wherewithal to become the 11th province should it choose so.
Pushed too hard, Montreal with its clearly defined borders can easily fend for itself as a province, something that would be massively supported in the rest of Canada.
Quebec nationalists who believe that this should never be allowed to happen under any circumstances and that Montreal belongs to Quebec, need to understand that those who live by the sword can also die by the sword.
With the demographic shift marching onward, a 50% +1 vote by those living on the island on Montreal to leave Quebec and become Canada's eleventh province can be a reality within a decade.
The new province would enjoy instant Canadian and international recognition.
So if Legault, the CAQ and its base plan to pound Montreal into becoming another Quebec City forcing the anglos and ethics to adopt the French language exclusively, abandoning their religion and singing 'Alouette' while changing their diet to steamed hot dogs, poutine and maple syrup, they are bound for miserable shock.
Montreal is not Quebec city and never will be. It is and will continue to evolve as cosmopolitan, urbane and diverse city, worthy of international stature.
Those in the CAQ and their old-stock francophone supporters in the boonies that think that they can force Montreal into becoming the backwater that the ROQ is, are doomed to failure.
So let François Legault, the eager-beaver Premier, have his fun as he takes power believing he can reshape Montreal.
It won't take long before he realizes the limitations of his power and if he dares to play rough, it is he who will be burned.
Like George III and his Parliament found out, passing oppressive and unpopular legislation from afar, forces the imposed upon to decide whether to obey or revolt.
Montreal is too strong to acquiesce to redneck laws that are out of touch with its reality and so sooner or later, Legault may find himself facing a Montreal version of the Boston Tea Party.
What has Canada ever done to Help Us ???
ReplyDeleteWe should Leave BOTH of them... and start Our own Country...
I can make an Economic Argument, Proving Montreal's' Viability as an independent Financial Center in the middle of North America, with it's own Ocean Port and International Airport!!!
Fuck BOTH Quebec and Canada...
We Really do NOT need them for Anything!!
Then I think you won't mind us cutting access to the electricity the rest of Quebec produce (and no, the power stations around Montreal are not even enough to produce electricity for half the city)
DeleteWhy would we cut off electricity to a good customer?
DeleteC.S.: Go for it. I DARE you! An independent Montreal within an independent Quebec? I'd absolutely positively relish watching Quebec sans Montreal going down like a ship made out of led! Imagine the Bumpkins of the Boonies running a Quebec sans federal monies from Canada, with a currency not worth half a looney!
DeleteMr. Sauga >>> As I said in reply to you Below >>> "... the Fun (is) in this Fantasy... Which is what I expect it is, as the English population of Montreal has proven itself much more adept at Appeasement, Paranoia and Negativity than a community of Self-Preserving Action!!"
DeleteMichael Patrice >>> Exactly... besides It has yet to be settled exactly what land mass would separate with us.... Maybe the Townships or Ottawa River Valley would come along for the Ride??
Rookie_One.... No one would expect you to understand the Realities of International negotiations if you have your head stuck in the Quebec/Canada Mud, or, as the Supreme Court described you when they wrote you off and confirmed your 2nd Class Status... just "... The Cost of Canadian unity" !!!
"The new province would enjoy instant Canadian and international recognition."
ReplyDeleteWhat are your sources for claiming instant international recognition for the 11th province or city-state status? Also, where would Montreal get its food supply, being geographically cut off from ROC and politically at war with ROQ - unless western regions of Quebec separated too and connected Montreal to the ROC? I know that there's a historical precedent for a city-state (West Berlin 1949-1989) cut off from the surrounding country (East Germany) and affiliated with a geographically unconnected country (West Germany), but if I'm not mistaken, food for West Berlin was supplied by air from Western Europe at some point. So it's either this or Montreal would have to hammer out some deals with hostile Quebec for food, electricity, etc...?
It's true that Montreal has already separated from the ROQ mentally and culturally, even Bock Cote conceded as much in JdeM and in his tv appearances, but as far as a political separation of Montreal from Quebec, I don't know...it seems far fetched.
adski, you beat me to it. I too see a land-locked Montreal as being cut off, much the same way Saudi Arabia is cutting off Yemen. While they don't have the resources S.A. has, I can see them trying this and I don't trust King Justin to be of any help.
DeleteThe only way this could realistically work is for mainland Quebec to create easements to Montreal from at least one U.S. border point, the Hwy 401/20 border crossing and 417/40 crossing, and the road where Highway 20 breaks off at Rivière de Loup leading to New Brunswick.
While I'm not certainly implying Quebec would not grant easements, I wouldn't put it past them to create difficulties. Maybe along the waterways? Mainland Quebec wouldn't dare cut off the St. Lawrence Seaway as the Americans would roll in like oranges to promptly open any attempted blockades. Then again, America may be going to war soon...with itself, if not the whole world!
These are interesting times!
>>> Mr. Sauga ... First, please explain how an "island" situated on the St. Lawrence Seaway, (an officially International waterway) is "Landlocked" ??? Montreal also has an international Level Airport!
DeleteNo one said there wouldn't be points of negotiations... But that is the Fun in this Fantasy... Which is what I expect it is, as the English population of Montreal has proven itself much more about Appeasement, Paranoid Talk and Negativity than a community of Self-Preserving Action!!
When will those in Quebec who can't be bothered to use a Dictionary, understand that Neither of the terms "Nation-State" OR "City-State" refer to the lowly Geo-political entity know as a Province or City which has ZERO individual "International" standing globally, other than as a vassal of the "Country" or "Nation-State" of Canada!!
ReplyDeleteNO... "(West Berlin 1949-1989)" was NOT a City-State. It was technically still part of West Germany, though effectively governed by the "Allied" powers.
From Wikipedia >> "A city-state is a sovereign state, also described as a type of small independent country, that usually consists of a single city and its dependent territories. Historically, this included cities such as Rome, Athens, Carthage, and the Italian city-states during the Renaissance.
(>>>>>>>>>>>) As of 2018, only a handful of sovereign city-states exist, with some disagreement as to which are city-states. A great deal of consensus exists that the term properly applies currently to Singapore, Monaco, and Vatican City. City states are also sometimes called micro-states which however also includes other configurations of very small countries.
A number of other small states share similar characteristics, and therefore are sometimes also cited as modern city-states—namely, Qatar, Brunei, Kuwait, Bahrain, and Malta, which each have an urban center comprising a significant proportion of the population, though all have several distinct settlements and a designated or de facto capital city. Occasionally, other small states with high population densities, such as San Marino, are also cited, despite lacking a large urban centre characteristic of traditional city-states.
Several non-sovereign cities enjoy a high degree of autonomy, and are sometimes considered city-states. Hong Kong and Macau, along with independent members of the United Arab Emirates, most notably Dubai and Abu Dhabi, are often cited as such."
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Let me repeat that >>> Hong Kong and Macau are "are sometimes considered"... Is NOT a definitive Statement!!!
They are areas with "Special Administrative Status" under Chinese rule, But NOT by definition, a "City State" !!
They are NOT Independent and Sovereign political entities!!
Monaco, Vatican City and Singapore ARE... and they remain the Only TRUE city states.
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Neither can Montreal be Considered a "Nation-State" at least until it is "Sovereign!!!
>>> "A nation state (or nation-state), in the most specific sense, is a country where a distinct cultural or ethnic group (a "nation" or "people") inhabits a territory and has formed a state (often a sovereign state) that it predominantly governs. It is a more precise concept than "country", since a country need not have a predominant ethnic group."
PLEASE use the correct terminology if you want this argument to be taken seriously !!!
Why so focused on the semantics, C.S. Why do I think you're Howard Galganov? You overuse capital letters in peculiar places à la Galganov. For the record, I abandoned reading his blog a long time ago as he's strictly writing to appease Trump's base. His readers are stupid enough to send him money to simply bash those against El Loco Presidente and support his blog. No problem asking as at one time I supported him when it came to fighting the tyrannous majority in Quebec.
DeleteHe ran for office as an independent in his constituency, but unfortunately lost support when he dissed our indigenous people and proposed putting security in every Muslim school and mosque. C.S., or H.G., or whoever you are, focus on the point, not the semantics. BTW, Monaco has a 2nd city, Monte Carlo. Technicalities, technicalities!
Mr. Sauga....
Delete#1) Semantics are everything... It is Words that create laws, and loopholes to Laws are carved out of the Words that are Not present. Those in the Quebec language debate that give in too easily, are far to ready to Rename the Legislative Assembly as the National Assembly, where Quebec is NOT a Nation Politically and has no right to the use of that word... any more than the designation of the Members as MNAs, rather then the correct MLAs, or the elevation of the Quebec Premier as the Prime Minister, which is the position of the Leader of Canada, Not a province. Or the many other instances where the English word has been replaced by the Appeasing ENGLISH Media with French words….
Language is like Rights… “Use it or Lose it!!”
#2) If you are thinking of Howard Galgonov, it must be due to your own identification with him… I know Howard well… I actually went to high school with him in Chomedey… We are as alike politically as an apple and a slice of bacon!! I’m a Far-left Progressive and he is a Far-Right Fascist Conservative… We agree on one thing only… and that is the Basic Human right to use whatever language a person pleases to use, in any situation they would like… In simpler terms, we agree on the personal right to go bankrupt in any language we choose!!
#3) Also, as I clearly stated above… I am a separatist that believes not in Canada, or a Quebec in Canada, or an 11th Province in Canada… But in a totally separate and SOVEREIGN entity outside of Both Canada AND Quebec… Galgonov is a Canadian Federalist!!
#4) My Political boni-fides in Quebec politics supersede Howard’s, as my involvement stretches back to the Original Executive committee of the Equality Party!! (Mr. Berlach can vouch for me on this!!)
#5) My use of capital letters is a literary stylistic affectation, usually to denote Emphasis… that You make it an issue, only demonstrates your lack of a valid argument!
#6) As to YOUR final point >> “BTW, Monaco has a 2nd city, Monte Carlo. Technicalities, technicalities!”…. It only took a simple click on Google/Wikipedia to prove the fallacy in your factless remark >>>
“Monte Carlo (/ˈmɒnti ˈkɑːrloʊ/; Italian: [ˈmonte ˈkarlo]; French: Monte-Carlo [mɔ̃te kaʁlo], or colloquially Monte-Carl [mɔ̃te kaʁl]; Monégasque: Munte Carlu) officially refers to an administrative area of the Principality of Monaco, specifically the ward of Monte Carlo/Spélugues, where the Monte Carlo Casino is located. Informally the name also refers to a larger district, the Monte Carlo Quarter (corresponding to the former municipality of Monte Carlo)”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Carlo
Or to simplify the Fact for Simpler Minds….
“Monte Carlo is to Monaco, as NDG is to Montreal !!!”
Thank you for your attention!!
CS
I love you too, C.S.! I'm ex-Chomedian as well. My 34th anniversary of final emancipation from Quebec is coming up this weekend, and I've never looked back. Howard was buddies with my next door neighbour for a time (you're all older than I am by some years), ergo I may know you, but not likely if you're Howard's contemporary.
DeleteI'm perplexed though that you are a self-proclaimed seppie considering you also proclaim you were a big muckety muck with the Equality Party. Maybe you're also a legend in your own mind, too!
To me separatism implies an independent Quebec sans Canada. Sovereignty-Association was Levesque's big, fat farce, smoke and mirrors. Anyway, it never came to fruition. You sound like a «Québébois de vieuille souche» if you support full separatism, and if you're not, I think you need to get your head examined. That you went to CPHS with H.G. suggests you're not one of "them".
If you're not one of "them", "they" want you out of Quebec now, "they"'d probably try to force you out, or conform...or else, if they one day manage to separate, and "they"'d either force Francophonie immigrants to conform to "their" way of life or even more likely persecute or depose the incomers. "They've" made it clear "they" hate Muslims, "they" hate Jews even worse, and more interestingly, "they" now hate the Roman Catholic church. I can't blame "them" for turning on the Church considering "their" Church screwed "them" silly for 200 years.
I've written it before and I'll state it again, C.S.: Separate if you will! I dare you!, and if you and the brain-dead bumpkins making up the backwoods go along with you, good-bye, good luck and good riddance! Here in the real Canada, Quebec is just a big, fat expense!
“To me separatism implies an independent Quebec sans Canada”
DeleteThis has never been the objective of any separatist movement in the developed world. Instead what is offered is regionalism and localism –every region, every city, every borough, every farm, and even every doghouse should have its own state.
Check this and substitute Quebec for Scotland:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT0NdplGl0k
This regionalism is backed and underwritten by very powerful and influential groups that want to break up the existing nation-states in the interest of globalization. Note how all the major pequiste leaders are staunch globalists and strong supporters of such monstrosities as NAFTA and GATT. I also suspect that some major pequiste players have direct ties to the big globalist players and intelligence agencies working for globalization - it is possible that these pequiste leaders are more about breaking up the Canadian state and less about creating a nation-state for Quebeckers. And I suspect that Levesque was tied to intelligence groups from his time as a war correspondent rolling across the war-torn Europe with American and British troops and reporting directly to London – Jean Francois Lisee concedes the frequent visits of Levesque to the CIA station in Quebec City in his book “In the Eye of the Eagle” – Lisee dismisses these visits however as Levesque making these visits to convince the Americans that an independent Quebec will not be a new Cuba at the doorsteps of the US. Parizeau on the other hand was probably groomed by the British intelligence during his time in London while studying at the London School of Economics which is known for training foreigners who later find themselves back in their countries running the governments and working for globalist interests. Similarly, Jean Marin Aussant (leader of Option Nationale) is based in London City and visits Quebec occasionally to run in elections - in October he ran as a PQ candidate in Montreal and was defeated – it is likely that he is back in London now waiting for a new assignment.
Note also that the Catalonia separatist groups are and have always been heavily backed by London
Regionalization and state-breaking movements are especially pernicious because they are all dressed up in progressive and leftist drab – it is progressive to give new emerging “nations” their own country, give people the right to “self-determination”, the right to “self-actualization”, “self-realization”, and “self-fulfillment”. Same as with global warming – something decked up as progressive is in reality something very conservative or even reactionary - it opposes reindustrialization of the West and favors getting rid of the remaining industry for the sake of the environment – thus ridding the working class of well-paid industrial jobs in favor or crappy low paid service jobs - in the meantime big business offshores all the good jobs to the Third World and has the backing of the “progressive left” – because the left thinks this is good for the environment. In other words - forget the working class, fighting for their interests is boring and has been abandoned, instead, let’s fight for the environment, LGBT+add whatever other letter, the rights of Hindu RCMP officers to wear turbans, and the rights of francophones to be able to order 7up in French on Air Canada flights, etc…with all of these serving as detractions from the pressing economic issues and giving reactionary agendas a progressive cover.
Mr. Sauga ... You Commented >> "I'm perplexed though that you are a self-proclaimed seppie considering you also proclaim you were a big muckety muck with the Equality Party. Maybe you're also a legend in your own mind, too!
DeleteTo me separatism implies an independent Quebec sans Canada. Sovereignty-Association was Levesque's big, fat farce, smoke and mirrors. Anyway, it never came to fruition. You sound like a «Québébois de vieuille souche» if you support full separatism, and if you're not, I think you need to get your head examined. That you went to CPHS with H.G. suggests you're not one of "them". …"
First… I do not “imply” anything or create my own restricted definitions… I use a Dictionary, and I say exactly what I mean… You should try it sometimes!
I said I want to Separate from BOTH Canada and Quebec.. How in any way does this make me One of “THEM” or “a «Québébois de vieuille souche»” ???
And I also said it was a Fantasy and would Never Happen… But my belief in Fantasies also means that I do not have to Vote ?Liberal? out of acute Paranoia, nor do I have to pretend that I feel Pride, Loyalty or even Patriotism to a Country that has Shit on my Rights for the last 50 Years!!
I ask you… What have they ever done to help ME, or any of English Quebec???
Why should I care one iota about Canadian Unity, if it means that Democracy is Rescinded and Rights are No Longer Universal or Even Equal??
(Thank you Pierre Trudeau for the “Not Withstanding Clause” !!!)
As for your “escape”… Let me Remind you that Rights Removed in Quebec can equally and as easily be Removed anywhere Else in Canada!!!
As for me, When I became a political refugee from Canada, I LEFT the Country, planning never to Return, and Lived in the WORLD… But Life is a Bitch, and it dragged me back, to find after 20 years that NOTHING at all had Changed, and Montreal was as Fucked up and in the exact same Rut as when I left… Even the Pot-Holes were in the same places, and on CJAD they were still arguing about the same Appeasing Liberal-Loving Bullshit!! !!
So in reply to your Flag Waving… BULLSHIT… MY separatism is Personal, and has ZERO to do with any Quebec Nationalism… Except, how I can Use “Them’ to advance MY Cause…. So I Voted Quebec Solidaire (previously I Voted PQ) and it shames me Not at all… Because MY Path to separation leads Through Partition (I was the creator and original Chair of the EP Partition Committee) and I understand that Without Quebec Separation, there will Never be any Montreal/Western Quebec Partition, and When that debate starts, is when We Start discussing Real separation and creation of a Montreal City-State, in the TRUE Dictionary definition, of the Word!!
As to Proving to you my past relationships or positions in “the movement” or the ‘Original’ Equality Party, (as opposed to what English Quebec allowed it to become, now Not around when it is needed most.)… I was there… and the people who were also there fighting by my side know that… Robert Libman, Keith Henderson and Tony Kondacks certainly know who I am… You…. I owe YOU nothing at all !!!
Yes, let's separate Quebec from Canada, then separate Montreal from Quebec, then partition Montreal into East Montreal and West Montreal. And let's build a wall down St Laurent street, like the one in Belfast separating Catholic and Protestant parts of the city. It will be fun.
DeleteHEY! W-a-a-a-a-i-t a minute! Yo, adski, you're musclin' in on my debate with C.S.! OK, I'll be the thick-skinned one here. I thought somebody floated the idea of turning the Decarie Expressway into a moat! Actually, there is a model in Montreal already, come to think of it. It's called that stupid fence on the West side of de L'Acadie Blvd between Metropolitan Blvd. and Jean Talon. That stupid fense has been there more than a half century. When I was a little kid, at least it was painted with nice, glossy green. When I was there about five years ago, more or less, it looked like shit, neglected and rusting away. Last year I noticed they hid that shitty looking thing with high shrubs. How long until the shrubs are no longer maintained, and dirty winter slush and road salt kills them? I guess the hoity-toity TMR people got tired of paying to keep the Park Ex riff-raff out.
DeleteNo! Wait! I have an afterthought. Why not build that fence also along Jean-Talon on the North, and Lucerne on the Western border? Then Westmount can follow suit. Then Côte-St-Luc can do the same...no...wait, they have already barricaded themselves with only two access roads. Boxed in!
Now you have the moronic POTUS telling his army to treat rock throwers coming from Central America as if they're shooting bullets. He should make like Paul Revere on a horse with a bull horn in San Diego and other border cities yelling "The Caravan is coming! The Caravan is coming!"
No...wait! Luggo can send a delegation to Hungary (or, with luck, take a one-way trip out of North America) to see how they built a wall to keep the Muslim migrants out. After all, migrants and caravans contain nothing but leppers, terrorists, kids with meningitis, collora, and parasites, and pedafiles.
C.S. and a, see where I'm going with this?
A 10 minute perusal of the front page of any Major Newspaper demonstrates why it is futile debating Applied Political Theory with Fools!!!
DeleteIt also explains Trump!!!
OMG, C.S., OMG! From your response above, I'm guessing you studied poli sci in university?
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Try Real Education Next Time!!! In all fairness, I'm sure it's a respectable university, but most politicians don't study poli sci, and thank g-d they don't. Like most 'ologies' and 'ographies', it's a cash grab for the universities with a degree that's worth less than the toilet paper you use to wipe yourself. That same acronym should apply to poli sci as well...unless, of course, you get to be a teacher in those majors. UGH!
I'm a well educated person, C.S., but don't judge people who didn't waste 3-4 years of their lives taking blow-off programs that lead to far fewer jobs than graduates.
"but most politicians don't study poli sci, and thank g-d they don't"
DeleteThey study things that they discourage us from studying (like rhetoric for example) and they get training in NLP too.
If my memory is right, Tony Kondak wrote a book that was (at least in part) about Montréal separating from Québec. It was available online in full, but it might no longer be available in full. I think that there was in this book a map showing what part of Montréal and its surrounding could leave Québec.
ReplyDeleteI did not agree with everything he wrote, but it was an interesting piece.
I find this issue interesting, it is of course highly hypothetical to say the least, but I don't see why we should not discuss this scenario, if only for the intellectual game.
Quite right, Michel P.
DeleteI dont really see the point in this discussion as its pure fantasy. We are at least 5-10 years away from any hope of a referendum on Quebec seperating from Canada and thats being optimistic.
ReplyDeleteAs Cosmic said above you need Quebec seperation to motivate enough anglos/allos and even some francophones to try and seperate Montreal from Quebec.
I think in the end most anglos and allos will either leave or just shrug and carry on as they have for 50 years now.
Logistically Montreal would need some sort of land path towards Ontario..if its an island all to itself then Quebec will make life very difficult and expensive for those on the island.
Les Quebecois will never accept a seperate Montreal..we would have civil war over this..it would be hell living here as there would be outright persecution of anglos and allos. The economy would tank..this hell would likely drag on for decades and in the end very unlikely to be successful.
This is a pointless discussion..a dream..a fantasy that has little chance of happening and even less chance of being successful. Its as much fantasy as Maxime Bernier winning 30 seats when he will be lucky to win 5.
I think the author should stick to realistic outcomes not these pie in the sky ideas. I wouldnt touch this until we at least have an outside chance of a referendum on seperation in Quebec.
C, you didn't read above about my description of the most needed easements from and to the Island of Montreal. I responded to a comment by adski near the top of the commentaries. See Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 2:21:00 PM EDT
DeleteYou're likely right about an armed dispute of turning Montreal into a city-state as all the riches (esp. intellectually) are in Montreal. The older among the minorities will likely play out the string until they are the dearly departed, unless and until hostility becomes a reality.
Hey, Montreal loves steamed hot dogs, poutine, and maple syrup, too. But it's not the whole of us.
ReplyDeleteToronto finally has some poutineries (one called Smoke is franchising), but $8 for a serving of poutine is ridiculous. Then again, someone has to pay the crazy rents out here and costs are passed onto the consumer.
ReplyDeleteThere were some young risk takers from the Greek community in Chomedey who came to the GTA and tried to start a chain/franchise called Steam City, an unfortunately unsuccessful hot doggery. Toronto, unlike the way-behind-the-times Montreal that pretty much banned food trucks and carts by the 1970s, has hot dog carts and trucks selling the stuff for far cheaper street vendor spots and permits than in buildings. There are now food trucks that go beyond the hot dog, burger, fries and poutine.
Get with the times, Montreal!!!