Monday, September 11, 2017

English CEGEP's Squeezing Out Anglos

PQ mantra "Nope, we don't need English to  find a job"
Quebec's CEGEP situation has evolved somewhat bizarrely as demand for placement in the few English language CEGEPs in the province has rocketed with demand by Francophones and ethnics graduating from Francophone high schools rising each year, putting a strain on resources and limiting Anglophone enrolment as standards rise.
Unlike French CEGEPs which accept any and all who apply, English CEGEPs have their enrolment capped, with no government, Liberal or separatist daring to increase capacity.
"Quebec City’s only English-language CEGEP has had to turn away hundreds of students due to jam-packed registration.
“A lot of students, around 400 students,” said CEGEP Champlain St. Lawrence campus director Edward Berryman. “We had to say no to them because we’re simply at the maximum capacity.”
Among the college’s students, 75 per cent are graduates from Francophone high schools, 15 per cent are from Anglophone schools and the rest have a mother tongue that is neither English nor French." Link
Admission standards for French CEGEPS
While entry standards for French CEGEPs are pathetically low, where you can sometimes get in without graduating high school, the grades required for entry in English CEGEP are so high (and getting higher) that it is in effect turning them into elite schools.

The inequity in application standards between English and French CEGEPs is stunning and so the English CEGEPs are attracting the best of the best students regardless of language background.

This has the perverse effect of limiting access to Anglo students who may have very good grades, but not good enough to compete with elite francophones and ethnics who opt for obvious reasons to go the English CEGEP route.

Holding the position, as does the academic elite in the English CEGEP system that the schools should be open to everyone does a disservice to the Anglophone community as long as enrollment is limited.

Let us look at the numbers.
Quebec CEGEPSs, both English and French serve 177,000 students of which 27,000 attend school in one of the five English CEGEPs.
(By the way, and not germane to this discussion, but interesting in and of itself is the fact that women make up 58% of the students.)
The 27,000 places in English CEGEPs represents 15% of all CEGEP places in Quebec, which seems rather generous when one considers that Anglophones (defined by those who attended English high school) make up  but 8% of the Quebec population.
But the hic is that half the places in these English CEGEPs are occupied by Francophones and Ethnics who graduated French high school, leaving about 8% of the total places for the 8% anglophones in the province which would seem reasonable, but alas, is not.
Anglophones choose to attend post-secondary education at a rate almost 30-50% higher than their francophone counterparts, so the strain is obvious.
And so for some programs, like science at John Abbot College, applicants won't even be considered without an 80%+ overall average, a hefty burden that only elite students can muster.

Now the English CEGEPs have a gentleman's agreement with the Education department not to encourage Francophones and Ethnics to apply to their schools, so there is no advertising or other encouragement, but they  still face an onslaught of applications.

With the Liberal government committed to freezing enrolment in English CEGEPs, it makes for a difficult situation for Anglo students with good but not phenomenal grades.

And so that takes us to the Parti Quebecois policy convention that wrapped up today and where the subject of access to English CEGEP was hotly debated with the militants demanding that the rules of Bill 101 be applied, limiting Francophones and Ethnics to French CEGEPs.
This idea was fought back by the party elite because they feared the backlash from the over 63% of francophones that back open access.
And so the compromise was offered whereby funding to English CEGEPs would be cut back to reflect the 8% reality of the English minority.

Now I'm surprised that while the reaction in the English media was negative, nobody so far has pointed out the obvious. If funding is cut, but open access maintained, it would mean that fewer students would be admitted, but still include Francophones and ethnics. This would drive down the number of Anglophones allowed to attend English CEGEPs!
Perhaps it would mean that access would require a scholastic average of over 90%!

Now language militants continue to believe that an English CEGEP education automatically leads to language transfers by Francophones assimilating into the English community. It assumes that those who grew up in a French home and went to French school until high school graduation would magically transform themselves into Anglophones by virtue of a two or three year English CEGEP experience. Pedalling this 'Chicken Little' mantra that the sky will fall is stock in trade for desperate losers trying to hold back ambitious and talented young francophones and ethnics.

Language militants have even made a more pernicious argument, that 'mixing' of the communities in CEGEP will lead to more mixed marriages and coupling, thus diluting the precious 'de souche' stock, an idea that just doesn't border on racism, but clearly defines it.
Racism aside, it isn't even true. When English/French or Ethnic/French couples get together, in two-thirds of those cases, the children attend French school.

Now the PQ came up with the comical idea of French CEGEPs offering more courses in English thus allowing for students to learn English and maintain their French heritage.
It's a good idea in theory, but one that could never happen.

I could imagine the friction between outraged student language militants opposing such an idea in their schools as well as the teachers who are largely separatists.
Offering English courses in French CEGEPs would mean hiring English language professors and getting rid of an equal amount of French language professors, something the union would never allow.

And finally, I could only imagine English classes where teachers greeted students to their English class with this scrawled on the blackboard.

Elite French students seek entry into English CEGEPs not only because they want to hone up their English, but also to soak up the atmosphere and help prepare them for living in a world that uses English as the lingua franca. They seek out a school that has the higher academic standards that generates a student body commiserate with their own academic success, something French CEGEPs could never offer.
And that folks, is the sad truth.

7 comments:

  1. Philip writes:

    "Language militants have even made a more pernicious argument, that 'mixing' of the communities in CEGEP will lead to more mixed marriages and coupling, thus diluting the precious 'de souche' stock, an idea that just doesn't border on racism, but clearly defines it."

    Well, of course.

    But we don't have to have this outrageous example to "define" racism when it comes to education admission policies in Quebec. Determining who can attend English schools based upon who your parents are, what their classification is (i.e., "certificate of eligibility"), and the handing down of this classification from generation to generation based upon parentage IS the definition of racism. And this is precisely the discrimination procedure that is law in Quebec (Bill 101) and Canada (s. 23 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms).

    And it is not me saying that this is the definition of racism but both the Canadian and Quebec governments. Because long ago they agreed that this is the definition of racism.

    The federal government cannot enter into an international agreement or covenant without getting the provinces permission first when that agreement impacts provincial jurisdictions. In 1966, Canada (with Quebec's consent) signed on to the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination. Right there in article 1 of the Convention is the definition of "racial discrimination":

    "1. In this Convention, the term 'racial discrimination' shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, DESCENT, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life." (my emphasis)

    So, right there, we have a clear confirmation that there is racism built into the legal process of determining who can and cannot attend English schools in Quebec...without having to resort to wild statements made by language militants about mixing of this or that group.

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    1. part II


      And for those that poo-poo the idea that the predominantly White-skin coloured English and French populations of Quebec constitute races, no such qualification was employed by the federal government. It is interesting to read the language used by the federal government when they created the Royal Commission on Bilingualism and Bilculturalism back in the '60s. In the very first paragraph of the "Terms of Reference", here is what the government stated as the purpose of the Commission, one which helped set the stage for what was about to come: official bilingualism:

      "inquire into and report upon the existing state of bilingualism and biculturalism in Canada and to recommend what steps should be taken to develop the Canadian Confederation on the basis of an equal partnership between THE TWO FOUNDING RACES, taking into account the contribution made by the other ethnic groups to the cultural enrichment of Canada and the measures that should be taken to safeguard that contribution" (my emphasis).

      Up until the 1960s when the U.S. civil rights issue became predominant, "race" was always used to describe the French and English in Quebec...and a cursory reading of Canadian history books up until this period will confirm this. Indeed, there are dozens of references to the English and French races in the Confederation Debates from 1867...and one can do a word search on these terms in Google Books because the entire Confederation Debates is searchable at this site.

      Race and racism has EVERYTHING to do with the CURRENT law in place in Quebec today. That is why I consistently declare that Bill 101 is both a race law and a hate law. It is a race law because of the procedure of discrimination contained in its language of education provisions; it is a hate law because once a law is determined to be a race law, it is automatically a hate law and the onus shifts to those that support it to explain why it is NOT a hate law.

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  2. Mr. Sauga here: I went to CEGEP a long, long time ago. As far as I and most of my cohorts back then were concerned, CEGEP was a joke. It was two years of suspended animation between high school and university. The only subject of any merit was the maths. I'm not a math lover, but it was the only subject that really bridged high school and uni. Perhaps French for Anglos would have been helpful, but I knew at the end of my education I'd be out of Quebec and Bills 22 and 101 turned me off to French totally. I winged it in jobs until I got better; besides, the schools taught real French, not Joual, a.k.a. Quebec speak.

    The best alternative I can come up with is attending university outside Quebec directly from high school. Yes, it's certainly costlier than studying in your own back yard, but after a year, transfer to a cheap Quebec university to finish your program. You'll graduate a year or two earlier and enter the workforce that much sooner and so that extra year or two of earnings will cover the year out of town.

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  3. When it comes to access to English language CEGEPs the PQ leadership’s compromise to their rank and file was to promise to starve these English language institutions as opposed to the very messy and very public debate an ultimate backlash from the greater Francophone community from attempting to apply Bill 101 to these institutions. This PQ policy has nothing to de with the Anglophone community, it has everything to do with keeping the PQ rank and file happy so they will get up at 4:00 AM and go outside and hang up campaign signs!

    The PQ leadership, JFL and company, have no real intention of cutting budgets to English language CEGEPS. Sure, they will try but they know it will be challenged in the courts and they will lose. When they lose in Quebec courts they will appeal to the Supreme Court, that will uphold the lower courts rulings. Like with the provisions of Bill 101 that were struck down (in the 70s, 80s, 90s) in Quebec courts, decisions confirmed by the Supreme court, the PQ will then use the Supreme Court’s decision as propaganda telling Quebecers; “see how Canada is treating us”. Most Quebecois, especially in the regions, aren’t sophisticated enough to understand that the Supreme Court simply confirmed decisions of Quebec courts.

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    1. Mr. Sauga here. Marc: I assume you're a young fellow. Too, even in previous commentaries on this blog, Philip wrote about how the language and other laws were enacted intentionally the way they were KNOWING they would be challenged and defeated at the Supreme Court level. That's EXACTLY the way this vitriolic subhumans WANTED it to be to then mouth off how the moodzie heenglish did it to "them" again. Those seppie humanoids played all kinds of smoke-and-mirrors games to goad the real human beings as being the antagonists of their intentionally and unintentionally foiled plans.

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  4. Many prefer English cegeps because the French ones are always on strike.

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    1. Mr Sauga here: LOL! Good one, whoever you are!

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