There's a bit of a media hoopla over the 40th anniversary of the infamous Bill 101 language law, which placed restrictions on the use of English in Quebec and led to the exodus of hundreds of thousands of Anglophones from the province.
A lot has been written and a lot has been said by proponents and opponents of the bill but few on either side are willing to admit the truth, that Bill 101 was an instrument of ethnic cleansing, not language protection.
The author of the law, Camille Laurin, was an Anglophobe extraordinaire, a man who believed that the independence of Quebec could not happen as long as the Quebec English community thrived. Bill 101 by his own admission was an attempt not only to regulate language but an attempt to break the Quebec English community as a political force, once and for all.
And so Bill 101 was not conceived primarily as a language law, meant to redress language issues as much as it was an attempt at ethnic cleansing. The law would put the hated Anglos in their place and hopefully 'convince' them that Quebec was no longer hospitable and that for those who stayed, a promise of second class citizenship.
Laurin filled the Bill with outrageously restrictive clauses that he knew were clearly unconstitutional because he intended to provoke a fight, understanding that every inevitable defeat in the Supreme Court would be characterized as a humiliation, fuel for the separatist movement.
Every time I think of the hateful Camille Laurin I imagine him conducting a Quebecois version of the Wannsee conference, deciding rather coldly how the destruction of the Quebec Anglo community would proceed.
René Levesque, Premier and leader of the PQ at the time, never supported Bill 101 as it was written, believing it was too restrictive and vindictive. But his cabinet secretary Louis Bernard, aligned with Laurin, rallied the cabinet to the hard line, leaving Levesque with no other option but to support the bill. That being said, Levesque walked out of the National Assembly when Laurin tabled his bill, a snub that Laurin never forgave.
The PQ understood exactly what Bill 101 would do to the English community and in an interview years later, Louis Bernard admitted that an Anglo exodus in reaction to Bill 101 was a price that the PQ was willing to pay. What he didn't say or wouldn't admit is that this result was exactly what the PQ planned.
Still today, language militants continue to propagate the myth that Bill 101 was 'torpedoed' or 'butchered' by Ottawa instead of admitting that the constitutional challenges that led to the invalidation of many of the punitive aspects of the law were always part of the game plan. They continue to sell the big lie that Bill 101 was the innocent victim of a federalist plot to reduce Quebec's power.
But in both respects, Bill 101 was a rousing success, it chased hundreds of thousands of Anglos out of the province and elevated French to a position of domination over English in public life. It effectively broke the English community's back and when the rest of Canada decided to accept Bill 101 as the cost of keeping Canada together, the appeasement sealed the fate of the English community in Quebec.
I wonder how all the leftist Liberal and NDPers who supported this idea of indulging the separatists in order to preserve the country, would react to Israel creating a law that restricted Arabic?
Israel and Quebec both share some commonalities, they are about the same population and have a linguistic minority. Both are surrounded by neighbouring countries which speak a hostile language. Hebrew is as much at risk in Israel as French is in Quebec.
So what if Israel proclaimed that the only valid language and culture is Hebrew and that public life would henceforth be conducted in Hebrew only.
What would be if Israel enacted a Bill 101 of its own? I'm not talking about occupied territories, but Israel proper. That law might prescribe that Arabic signs could not be erected without a Hebrew equivalent, which would be obliged to be of bigger characters than the Arabic. This would apply all over Israel even in towns and villages that are predominantly Arabic, the same as in Quebec where towns like Hampstead which are 80-90% English must also post French signs according to the law. What if some public services were mandated to be offered in Hebrew only and what if restrictions would be placed on Arabic education.
What bloody Hell would break loose at the United Nations where nation after nation would lambaste Israel as racist, with Canada's NDP and Liberals front and center in the criticism.
Today separatists lament that perhaps Bill 101 was too successful because it addressed the perceived linguistic grievance, and thus the impetus for sovereignty was forestalled. Boo hoo....
Bill 101 remains the same hateful hammer, a mean-spirited and evil concoction meant to intimidate and punish the English community with the hopeful outcome of keeping English in check.
Whenever I argue with those who say that Bill 101 has nothing to do with hate, retribution or domination, I remind them of the rule that forces an English speaking immigrant student from Jamaica, New York or London, whose mother tongue is English and someone who speaks nothing but English into the French schooling system.
Nothing could be more stupid or cruel, the argument that these people must be integrated into the French side of the language equation utterly laughable and unattainable.
Forcing Anglophones into French schools is the height of vindictiveness, an overt action of hate and aggression, meant only to punish.
Bill 101 was more about destroying the English community than protecting the French language.
It was and remains a vindictive law that successfully persecutes Anglophones for political motives, all with the quiet acquiescence of the cowardly rest of Canada.
Bill 101: race law, hate law.
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ReplyDeleteShall I rewrite it in english? (I used to comment in french once in a while and it wasn't then a problem...)
Or should I rewrite it avoiding pointing at facts that contradict your narrative that Israël has no language laws favoring hebrew?
I am being bombarded with a lot of spam and it may have been erased in error.
DeletePlease repost the original French version.
Mon commentaire initial :
Delete"What would be if Israel enacted a Bill 101 of its own?"
Pour ceux que ça intéresse, voici à propos des lois et politiques linguistiques d'Israël :
http://www.axl.cefan.ulaval.ca/asie/israel.htm
(Site répertorie les lois et politiques linguistiques de 398 états et territoires parce que, voyez-vous, on n'est pas tout seul à avoir des lois et des politiques linguistiques.)
Quelques morceaux choisis à propos d'Israël :
" [...]dans les débats parlementaires, bien que l'hébreu et l'arabe soient effectivement tous deux utilisés, la traduction simultanée ne se fait que de l'arabe vers l'hébreu. Les parlementaire arabophones ont compris: ils emploient presque toujours l'hébreu."
"La Cour suprême a même statué que la non-publication en arabe n'affectait pas la validité des lois."
"La langue des tribunaux est l’hébreu, mais il est possible d’utiliser l’arabe ou l’anglais. [...] La sentence doit être rendu en hébreu et les procès-verbaux sont rédigés en hébreu."
Well, if you are from Jamaica and do not want your children to go to a public French school, do not come to Quebec. If you do, you are an idiot.
ReplyDeleteexcellent point.
DeletePoor child, you still don’t recognize that there is a long-term Jamaican community in Quebec who love French and that English public schools teach French perfectly too (without your discrimination). You are a bigot as well as an idiot.
DeletePeux-être qu'Israel n'a pas d'équivalent de la loi 101, sauf que c'est beaucoup pire... c'est un état théocratique juif.
ReplyDeleteRemarquez que beaucoup considère les États-Unis comme état chrétien, donc Israel n'est peux-être pas si pire...
Sauf que, chill out, oui le Québec veux s'assurer de la primauté de la langue française, mais les minorités ethniques sont en fait bien protégées (sauf les premières nations...)
" mais les minorités ethniques sont en fait bien protégées " ???? ? LOL
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I sincerely sympathize with the Anglo-Quebec community. They feel treated like second-class citizens, and sadly it's hard to deny that this is indeed their reality.
ReplyDeleteComing from a French-Québécois, my perspective is that the French-Québécois find themselves in some sort of a tragic dilemma: it's bad that we have to defend those rights-restricting laws, but we have feel like we have no other choice. We want our culture and linguistic identity to be preserved in a North-American sea of English culture. It's truly unfortunate that the Anglo community had to pay the price - and it does, no doubt about it.
Although some of us French-Québécois are indeed, very sadly, anti-Anglo bigots, I want to believe that most of us aren't. If we almost unanimously support the spirit (at least) of Bill 101, it's because we want to protect our language and cultural identity - and this puts us in the face of a truly tragic dilemma.
This is where the misguided comparisons to Hitler end. The Nazis invented an invisible threat from which they claimed they needed to protect themselves. In this process, they stigmatized in the most horrible way a minority that was scapegoated on no good grounds. The French-Québécois situation has absolutely nothing to do with this. There is a genuine threat of loss of culture and linguistic identity in the North-American context if nothing gets done to protect French culture in North-America. The (now global) attractiveness of the English language is simply too great for us to simply sit back and see what happens to us.
Again, it's truly unfortunate that we find ourselves in this situation of having to restrict rights... But try to put yourself in our shoes for a second: wouldn't you try to protect your own identity (individual or collective) if it was indeed threatened?
English is indeed threatened in Qc. Separatist minds have made certain of that.
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DeleteAlthough some of us French-Québécois are indeed, very sadly, anti-Anglo bigots, I want to believe that most of us aren't.
DeleteYou don’t need to believe this. It is true without a doubt.
The tragic dilemma is that Quebec language martyrs are now doing everything that they have ever objected to before... but multiplied by 10. We are a far cry from setting an example the way Nelson Mandela did, say, or Mohandas Gandhi... no matter how ludicrous the comparison may be.
Quebec separatists are far, far away from demonstrating the Golden Rule in how they would have liked to have been treated themselves.
By all means, do what you must to preserve and promote the French language and culture in Quebec. However, you should not be allowed to use the levers of government to do it. Do what any other ethnic and racial group does: associate freely with other free individuals...WITHOUT any government laws or funding.
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ReplyDeleteWhile the pretext of claiming the “protection” of non-endangered French has been a longstanding tenet of the PQ in order for themselves to get elected, it is indisputable that the real origin of Bill 101 was trying to create the dominance of French. It’s actually astounding that the pretence about “protection” is still continuing to this day. If any other metropolitan area (Toronto, Paris, San Francisco, you name it… not only Israel) were one of the world’s most genuinely bilingual places like Montreal has always been, it is beyond question that both languages would be automatically officially recognized by any genuinely democratic society... and it would be considered shockingly anti-democratic if it were not.
ReplyDeleteThe neurosis that some Quebecers have about English is not paralleled in New Brunswick’s Acadian community, nor is it by the Franco-Ontarian community (nor by any other francophone community in any other province or territory) since they all know that there is no threat of French “disappearing” whatsoever. It’s only in Quebec that French needs “protection” because it might “disappear” (*cough* not artificially dominate everyone else *cough*), otherwise the PQ could never get itself elected.
Forbidding kids from attending English schools (which have top-notch bilingual programs and superior graduation results than French schools) demonstrates perfectly that the 300-year-old English Quebec community is still not considered “Québécois” enough by the language martyrs here and that slowly suffocating Quebec’s English community is considered quite acceptable, if not downright desirable.
Camille Laurin is the one who first proposed the false equivalency between Montreal and Toronto. It’s because of Camille Laurin that we are now treated as being interlopers in our own home.
the thing is it's not enough for french to "exist" in quebec, as it does in ontario or new brunswick, as you suggest, it actually needs to keep on thriving and be the common language in quebec. from the moment quebec, or montreal, becomes institutionaly bilingual, it's over. then it becomes a matter of time before french goes from being the norm to being a folklorical curiosity. i'm sure you'd be quite fine with this, but you have to understand that francophones don't want this to happen. are you comprehensive enough to do that the cat? or are you just too self centered?
DeleteIf a francophone family sits around the dinner table one evening and decides they want to assimilate to Anglophone community should the law bar them from exercising that free choice?
DeleteIt comes down to collective will trumping individual rights and if your answer is YES, they should be barred from exercising free will, then they are prisoners.
There is no law preventing anybody from assimilating into anything.
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Deleteall laws bar people from exercising free will: you can't steal bars yourself from stealing. you can't kill bars yourself from killing, etc. so just underlining that a particular law bars someone from doing something is not a good argument. if you really do think all laws are bad cause they bar you from doing what you please it means you're an anarchist. you an anarchist mate?
the good way to tackle the issue is to ask yourself if the law is a good solution to a real problem.
Mr. Sauga here
DeleteNo idea what student meant above. Studentspeak jibberish, I guess. What bugs me more than anything is Harper didn't punish Quebec and reduce equalization payments to Quebec or reduce the number of Quebec judges from 3 to 2 to match the portion of the Quebec population in Canada.
Philip, why did you have to show a collage of Adolf Laurin? He had the face of a festering sewer. What kills me mostly is Levesque said he couldn't stand Adolf, but put the reprehensible bastard in his cabinet.
Too, there was a predecessor to Bill 101. Remember Bill 1? That was Adolf's true Final Solution even more reprehensible, but the FRENCH speaking business community could not stomach it, ergo the watered down Bill 1 was Bill 101.
@sauga
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no doubt mate.
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Deletethe thing is it's not enough for french to "exist" in quebec, as it does in ontario or new brunswick"
DeleteThis attitude demonstrates exactly the utter contempt and disregard that separatists in Quebec have towards the French culture in all other French-Canadian communities in Canada apart from their own. It perfectly illustrates why francophones in Canada generally despise Quebec separatists. Thank you for showing everyone your narrow-mindedness, student.
Meanwhile, it is implied by student’s comment that he considers it perfectly acceptable for Quebec’s minority anglophone community simply to “exist”, a condition which he disapproves of for minority francophone communities elsewhere... quite the double standard, but one that is typical for a self-interested separatist such as himself. Thriving minorities are anathema to him.
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Delete"This attitude demonstrates exactly the utter contempt and disregard that separatists in Quebec have towards the French culture in all other French-Canadian communities in Canada apart from their own."
no it doesn't. you misunderstood again. i have total respect for french canadian of the roc trying to perpetuate their french life.
"It perfectly illustrates why francophones in Canada generally despise Quebec separatists."
no it doesn't. i don't believe roc francophones despise quebec separatists. they are probably opposing quebec separation beacause they know it would mean the end of their culture after a few generations. roc anglophones would be just too happy to remove everything bilingual in public services, right? so of course they don't want quebec to go, but i'm sure "despise" is very far from being the right word to use.
student writes:
Delete"(French)actually needs to keep on thriving and be the common language in quebec..."
"Common language" is a function of two principles: free speech and freedom of association. If free individuals decide to speak French and it becomes the common language in Quebec, fine. But, student, do you not get the point that for government to advocate this is discrimination and should be against the law?
"But, student, do you not get the point that for government to advocate this is discrimination and should be against the law?"
Deleteno i don't get this point. portuguese government supports the use of portuguese as common language, so does japan with japanese and italy with italian. are all these governments bad discriminators for doing so? no.
How exactly do Portugal and Japan do this? Do they have charters if rights protecting free speech and equality, with "language" as a prohibited base of discrimination?
DeletePortugal, Japan and Italy don't have 300 years with an important anglophone community being instrumental in their development. Quebec does. Sad to see that some people in Quebec still haven't digested this simple fact yet.
DeleteQuebec is slowly turning into North Korea... too many Hammer & Sickle believers in Government, Unions, professional associations, etc, ... not too many libertarians running around
ReplyDelete"I'd be interested to know the thoughts of people here on the fates of Francophones outside Quebec."
ReplyDeletethe truth is these people don't have the critical mass to perpetuate a society functionning in french. they're just not enough, with respect to the surrounding english cultural ocean, so they are dying slowly but surely. the average angryphone roaming this blog doesn't care about this at all. he'll pretend he does, though, and use this line against parti québécois or anyone wishing for quebec to become independant. they'll say how selfish separatists are beacause they're ready to leave behind all french people of the rest of canada, they'll threaten to remove french as an official language of canada and on and on. the funny thing is by doing so, they admit their bad attitude towards french canadians and therefore legetimate the independance of quebec. yes it's crazy but hey hang around here a while and you'll see for yourself.
Well since moving to Quebec many years ago it became apparent fairly quickly to me that most Quebecois are singularly focused and obsessed about one issue..the potential decline of the french language and culture. Everything is measured with this metric and everything seems to fall to no more than second place compared to this concern. Its quite sad to see a people so terrified of losing their language that they literally lose the ability to deal with the real problems and issues in Quebec. This is why we have the worst infrastructure in Canada if not North America, this is why the economy has been chronically underpeforming for years until very recently (only because the threat of seperation has finally been swept away for the past few years), this is why rampant corruption occurs here, and on and on. These are the real issues Quebec should be dealing with yet we always end up spending ginormous amounts of time and energy on the potential decline of the french language.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all there is zero evidence suggesting french is on the decline in Quebec..just look at the latest stats canada numbers. Second of all, what really would be so terrifying for Montreal to accept what it always has been and thats a bilingual (if not multilingual) city? Walk around Paris and you hear english all over the place much like most major international cities..are people freaking out there..no they accept that these are cosmopolitcan centres who need to attract the best talent from all over the world and where english is often the language of business. By the way the fact that english is the international language of business is not the fault of english canadians..its just the way it is and its time for many quebecois to get their head out of the sand and stop fightng this reality. Third of all, lets say one day in the future french actually does decline in Montreal because of natural evolution..is it really so horrifying and awful? How many immigrants have come to Canada over the past 100+ years speaking different languages who in the end had to speak either english or french and eventually had their kids lose their parents native language..this has happened millions of times. Is this really the end of the world as long as these people have a better way of life, have decent jobs, live in a safe country and so on. In the end my point is what is really important in life. Language is a tool we use to communicate and people learn and lose languages all the time often in search of a better life. The real obsession we should have is providing good jobs for our children, creating a healthy economy and environment, keeping people safe and healthy, not obsessing about what language people choose to use to communicate with each other. One could mourn the fact that the main language is no longer mohawk on the island of montreal but we all agree that would be silly. Forcing people to use one language over another is pathetic in my opinion as it shows a total paranoia and also a rigidity in accepting any other culture other than their own. Lets be honest the french canadian and english canadian cultures are a lot closer than many quebecois would care to admit. Yes the language is different but the way of life is very similar. Letting Montreal be what it has always been for the past 200+years..a bilingual city with other significant languages would allow this city to finally attain its full potential. And in the end this would result in a higher standard of living for everyone.
comparing montreal to paris is ridiculous. paris has more french people than the whole of quebec, and is surrounded by 50 other millions of french. please don't do this again.
Deletethen, i think it's always funny to see an anglophone argue that it's ok if english culture topple french culture. it demonstrate an absolute lack of empathy. you should be more empathetic, mate.
Mr. Sauga again.
DeleteComplicated: Wake up! You're dreaming! That train pulled out of Polyanna Land a long time ago. 1984 in my case.
@sauga
Delete1984? 33 years and you still feel the need to bash quebec, as you would do if you weren't convinced about the reasons why you left. as if deep inside you knew you've been wrong all this time and the only way you found to reconcile with yourself is, on a daily basis, to fuel up this straw man of yours (camille laurin is adolf hitler, hahaha!) this kind of argument can only help soothe some inner wound of yours. no one else can use this crap mate.
“Well since moving to Quebec many years ago it became apparent fairly quickly to me that most Quebecois are singularly focused and obsessed about one issue..the potential decline of the french language and culture.”
DeleteActually, that’s not true, complicated. It’s only the minority separatists who do this, and unfortunately they are very loud-mouthed. And it’s not only anglophones and allophones who are tired about their eternal neurosis, either. There are plenty of francophones who have given up on Quebec's constant neurosis as well, and haved moved on to greener pastures.
Student’s callous lack of concern about the disappearance of Quebec’s largest minority typifies the separatists’ overall lack of concern about the genuine culture of Quebec. One might think that a separatist would commiserate with someone he understands to be in his own situation... but alas, no. That would be too much to expect from a Quebec separatist. Student genuinely doesn’t care about the assimilation or disappearance of any minority community except his own.
As Napoleon once said, “There is no place in a fanatic’s head where reason can enter.”
Ok maybe you are right and not most quebecois think this way but many do and I find it sad. Its sad to see a group of people so terrified of losing their culture that they sacrifice the ability to deal with the real problems that are more of a threat to their culture.
DeleteI really believe that people should be left alone when it comes to language and culture..let people decide which language and culture they want to be part of. Its not the role of government to enforce one language and culture on a people. There has always been a strong english presense in Montreal and much of this city has been built or designed by such english people and to somehow ignore that and pretend this has always been a french city is not genuine. Montreal could be great and would have continued being the greatest city if it was allowed to develop in a natural way without Bill 101 turning a large chunk of the population into second class citizens.
"... Bill 101 turning a large chunk of the population into second class citizens."
Deletethe whole paragraph is funny but that's the funniest bit. mate truth is you are not a victim.
The truth is english people in Quebec have inferior rights to francophones. We are not allowed to put up signs in our lanaguage..we are not allowed to get served in our language in many cases and we are grossly underrepresented in the quebec and municipal public service simply because of our last names..we are blatantly second class citizens.
DeleteAnd this is despite being a very sizeable chunk of Montreal..despite having built and designed much of this city.
@complicated
Delete"We are not allowed to put up signs in our lanaguage..."
false. what you're not allowed to do is not to include a french translation on your sign.
maybe you are second class mate. not because you're english but because you're a liar.
semantics..french must be larger than english which is an absolute slap in the face to every anglophone in this province. It still amazes me this is legal. I could have lived with a law that made all signs bilingual but to then say one language has to be bigger than the other is an obvious attack against anglophones. You really think this law makes any sense in much of Montreal..a city where there are vast numbers of anglophones.
DeleteHow about the 0.5 percent of anglophones working for the quebec public service..explain that one to me when anglos make up 8 percent of the population. I think the real goal of Bill 101 was to make life so miserable for anglophones that they would all leave.
@complicated
Deleteah it comes down to the size of the lettering. really different argument before you said you couldn't write a sign in your own language. more than semantics mate.
well the size of the lettering is there not to slap anglophones in the face but to relay the fact that common language in quebec is french. i'm sorry if you take it the wrong way.
as for the percentage of anglophones in quebec public service before i'll have to ask for a few more numbers before i can come up with a meaningful opinion. first your sources for the 0.5 and the 8. than what we also need is the percentage of applicants who are anglophones. because if you have 0.5% of applicants who are anglohones than you don't have a case. what i'll also need is the % of anglophone applicants who have good enough french skills for the position they apply for. thanks mate.
The law could have easily been written to allow english to be the same size as french especially in majority anglophone areas. In fact I would argue that in majority anglophone municipalities there should never have been any language restrictions. How can you possibly argue that in an english predominant city that you need to have signs where french is larger than english..its ridiculous. I get that signs should be bilingual but to say one lanaguage has to be bigger is incredibly petty. Its purely a vindictive law..purely meant to punish anglophones and try to drive them out of the province. Its petty.
Deletehttp://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/francophones-still-dominate-quebec-s-public-service-1.1856933
Interesting how in Ontario there are twice as many francophones in the public service as their numbers warrant. Interestingly that in the federal public service there are more francophones than their numbers would warrant. Yet in Quebec even though 65 percent of anglophones are bilingual we have 0.6 percent in the quebec public service. I am convinced more and more that a big part of Bill 101 was also to make sure all the cushy jobs end up with the pur laine Quebecois and it seems the numbers bear this out. I know many anglophones who are fluently bilingual who have never gotten even an interview for jobs int he quebec public service. Its pretty much a known fact that if your last name is too english you wont even be considered.
"...we have 0.6 percent in the quebec public service."
Deletethe article you offer as reference says it's 0.9%. that's 50% more of what you said it was. that's a huge mistake mate. it will be difficult to trust you from now on.
Lol.oh boy student..I dont know whether to laugh or cry. I kind of doubt you are serious but if you are serious then I suspect math wasnt your strong point. The point I was making is that anglophones are grossly underepresented in the quebec public service. The 0.3 percent error you noted makes no difference to my point..anglophones make up about 8 percent of the population and only 0.9 percent (lets just say 1 percent) hence they are 8 times under represented.
DeleteMeanwhile in Ontario its the reverse. There are 8 percent of the public service who are francophone and they only make up 4 percent of the population.
https://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/res/stats/demo12-eng.asp#toc223
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-402-x/2010000/chap/lang/c-g/desc/desc01-eng.htm
How about this.. 29 percent of the federal public service is francophone. Yet 22 percent of the population are francophone. So once again francophones are over represented by over 30 percent.
So it seems that the francophones have done very well with respect to securing cushy government jobs.
Montreal is trying very hard to be the Paris of North America. Its almost embarrassing how many Quebecois try so hard to emulate their beloved France. And the funny thing is that France could care less about putting english on signs all over the place. I have lived in france recently and there are english words everywhere..kfc is actually kfc in france..stop is stop in france. There are american songs played everywhere..american shows..practically every shirt with wording on it is in english. I was stunned to be honest and french people think its cool to speak english..what a refreshing change. Didn't have to hear how evil english is every 5 seconds and what a threat the english language is and those maudits anglais.
ReplyDeleteBut then you come back here and back in paranoid land. At some point Quebecers are going to have to accept the reality of being on a continent where everyone uses english except them and the international language is english.
At some point Quebecers are going to have to accept the reality of being on a continent where everyone uses english except them and the international language is english.
DeleteNo way, man! Are you crazy? It doesn’t matter that student is immune to English assimilation, despite his Parizeau-style British affectations. Just because 10 times more Spanish speakers are able to get along with English doesn’t mean that French speakers need to do so. Think about the Dutch! Think about the Danes! Think about the poor folk in St. Pierre et Miquelon! It’s only in Quebec that there’s a threat for us to be assimilated. Think about the Borg! Resistance is futile, ostie. Get it straight, câlisse!
@complicated
Delete"And the funny thing is that France could care less about putting english on signs all over the place."
have you also noticed that french state is unilingual french and there are 60 million frenchies out there and they are are not surrounded by 400 million people of the same culture and they are an independant country with full control on all policies that apply within france (apart from a few constraints coming from europe)? these bits are part of the comparison too. that is if you're a honest person of course.
I think I know more about France than you student since I actually live there andhave family there. French people are open to the world and embrace the fact that they need to learn english. They think anything in english is cool. Here Quebec goes out of its way to keep its francophone population unilingual and hence with restricted opportunities for better work, the opportunity to live and work elsewhere on the continent and in this country. It is possible to accept Montreal for what it is and make it a great bilingual city without jeopardizing the french language and culture..in fact I would argue that the richer Montreal becomes the more opportunities there would be for francophones here and all over the province. And what is so horrible about letting francophones decide whether or not they want their children to learn english at a young age..how dare the government restrict that possibility to them to keep them more isolated and scared. The government is using fear to brainwash its population and you have drunk the kool aid mate.
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Deletesure. you know france real well. you're super savvy complicated. what i'm trying to tell you though is something else. the typical parisian's attitude towards english may be very cool today, but if france became a province of the uk, and if the english population of the uk swelled to 3 billion people, well you'd see language laws popping there as well. this is obvious stuff mate.
My main point is why cant you and others just let Montreal evolve naturally and be what it has been for over 200 years? Why are you so worried about english being used as much or even more than french? So what if your kids or grandchildren speak more english than french one day..what does it really matter in the end as long as they are happy in life? Language and culture is not the end all be all..thats why people leave their countries and move to strange lands all the time..knowing all well their kids will likely speak a different language and so on. Ihave ancestors from france too..many of their great grand children dont speak french anymore and who cares in the end. Their offspring are all doing well, have good jobs, have a happy life.
DeleteYou are trying to force Montreal to be something that it is clearly not. It has only briefly been a french city..from the early 1600s to the late 1700s. Thats a tiny amount of time in the grand history of this place. One could argue we should all speak Mohawak because they lived here for centuries..why arent we arguing for that via your arguments?
Believe it or not, the government of Quebec actually went to court fighting against francophone rights in Yukon! Because apparently, it might also have given anglophones some rights in Quebec... so we couldn’t have that now, could we?
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Yeah its pretty sad the obsession about being assimilated. Millions of canadians over the last century have been assimilated and I think the vast vast majority are very happy about their lives here instead of where their ancestors were from even if it meant them losing their language and culture. Languages and cultute evolve all the time all over the place and its a natural process..the governments role is not to be the language and culture enforcer..it distorts natural processes and in the end is self damaging and futile. There is no reason why Montreal cant be a great bilingual city..using its strength as a beacon to both cultures..being truly open to both cultures..it would flourish if all citizens in this city had equal rights.
ReplyDeletedon't you think it's a loss for mankind that tibetan culture is fast dying under chinese invasion?
Delete"the governments role is not to be the language and culture enforcer.."
yes it is. well it's one of its roles.
I didnt realize that Canada invaded Quebec. I must have missed the canadian troops on the street here in Montreal. If anything Quebecs influence is far too strong given its population on Canada than the other way around. You love to play the victim card dont you.
DeleteGovernments role is to protect its people, provide conditions suitable for a strong and vibrant economy and provide some basic services. It is not the role of government to tell people what language to speak and what culture they should follow.
@complicated
Deleteyou are dodging the question. you repeated several times that it's ok for english culture to swallow unique quebec culture. french canadians shouldn't care. well it folows that in your humble opinion nothing should be done either to preserve unique tibetan language and culture. right?
"It is not the role of government to tell people what language to speak..."
i'm with you mate. fortunately quebec government doesn't do that. you can speak whatever language you please mate. you can even make one up! total freedom.
"...and what culture they should follow."
wrong. a government needs to support local talents. otherwise there would be no dance, no theater, no cinema, etc. fortunately here again, this is exactly what quebec government does.
If its a natural process and not a forced exercise by government or military then I say great..let it be. Obviously China used its military force to squash Tibet..not quite the same as here in Canada where natural processes have with time led most canadians to use english as their main language. There may be one day in parts of southern BC where chineses becomes the dominant language..in fact there are already areas that are mostly chinese and people in BC are not freaking out like here.
DeleteLanguages come and go all the time..thats not what is most important in the world. I wont repreat myself again but what is most important is safety, having enough money to live well and so on.
But the Quebec government via Bill 101 is trying to force people to use one language over another. There are english people who arrive here who must send their kids to english school even if they are 10 or 12 years old. There are mostly english areas in Montreal that must always have french bigger on their signs than english even if the vast majority of their clients are anglophones.
It is not up to government to decide which culture deserves to be supported. If the general public cant see fit to spend money to see art, dance or cineman then its because these groups dont deserve it because of lack of talent or whatever other reason. Many artists do very well on their own because they are producing something that people like and are willing to pay for. Let the people decide and not the government.
"Believe it or not, the government of Quebec actually went to court fighting against francophone rights in Yukon!"
ReplyDeletethat's scandalous! you need to oust this very bad lpq government! stupid jean-marc fournier not caring for yukon's francophones! please remember this one when election time comes! i will.
The post implies that Arabs living in Israel have it better than the Anglophones living in Quebec.
ReplyDeleteTo anyone believing this myth, I recommend Max Blumenthal's book "Goliath: Life and Loathing in Greater Israel"
I would rather be chased out of my home by petty vindictive administrative laws than by having my house bulldozed to the ground and white phosphorus rained on my head.
This is not to defend Quebec language laws which are truly vindicative, this is just to keep things in perspective.
"Well, if you are from Jamaica and do not want your children to go to a public French school, do not come to Quebec. If you do, you are an idiot."
ReplyDelete"We want our culture and linguistic identity to be preserved in a North-American sea of English culture. It's truly unfortunate that the Anglo community had to pay the price - and it does, no doubt about it."
These are statements coming from a socialized sociopath, someone devoid of empathy and who had his conscience seared out by cultural conditioning. By no means do I believe that most Quebecois think this way, I lived here too long to know otherwise. However, this is the view peddled by the elites and propagated culturally so many otherwise good natured people do get caught up in this thinking.
Identity and language are important, preserving continuity with one's ancestry is a very basic human need, severing this continuity may lead to cases of cognitive dissonance and pain. But this is something that should be done organically by multiplying and growing the community, not by taking a baseball bat to other people's heads. One way would be to promote family values to grow the local population instead of favoring feminism, abortion, gender ideologies, hedonistic lifestyles, self-indulgence and massive immigration to shore up the population declining as a result of decadent culture.
Thumbs up to Mr Milne.
ReplyDeleteThe point of the post was the institutionalization of linguistic grudges and an official sanction for it. And in the present day, not the past.
ReplyDeletePeople in the US or RoC getting "getting pissed off" is true, but do they have an official law to fall back upon? I don't think so, there was a talk of a language law in Arizona a few years ago but to my knowledge it didn't pass.
To me the difference is that in the present day a "pissed off" person outside of Quebec does not have the backing of officialdom, in Quebec such a person does which gives that person a wind in the back that people elsewhere may be lacking and whose enthusiasm for the cause may thus fizzle out.
@adski
ReplyDelete"To me the difference is that in the present day a "pissed off" person outside of Quebec does not have the backing of officialdom..."
here are hundreds of officialdoms outside of quebec for you to learn about adski.
http://www.axl.cefan.ulaval.ca/Langues/LOIS-LINGUISTIQUES-index.htm
this thing was posted by michel patrice on this same page. you should read michel patrice's comments mate.
I looked at a few of these items dredged up by ulaval for the less language-obsessed segments of the human race and neither is close to the wind in the back that 101 affords. Still, to any bureaucrat behind passing and enforcing those listed laws and to every SJW supporting these laws for the "preservation of minority cultures" (as in QC) and every reactionary supporting the laws for the "preservation of majority cultures" (also in QC, with the one minute we play the minority card, the next minute we play the majority card so the same person can be an sjw and a reactionary from one minute to the next) - I have the same message for those people as for the pequistes - there are more effective and more natural ways to achieve your goals than by bureaucratic means.
ReplyDeleteI've seen anti Hispanic protests in the US on tv and on social media, the protesters usually carry American flags (sometimes Confederate), placards with different things written on them (sometimes with spelling mistakes, often aggressive and vulgar), but I have never seen a demonstrator there carrying a placard with "Respect TITLE 73, GENERAL CODE PROVISIONS, CHAPTER 1", or "Respect House Bill no 2140", "Respect OFFICIAL GEORGIA CODE Section 50-3-100", etc... Here, every 5th person at these protests carries some sort of a reference to 101.
ReplyDeleteNone of those laws outside of Qc is as potent a fuel for the identitarians as 101 is for the pequistes.
Jared, the Fathers of Confederation foresaw all these linguistic provincial minority problems that have cropped up throughout our history. Towards protecting these minorities from the tyranny of the provincial majority, they included the veto power in the BNA Act for the federal government which enabled them to disallow provincial legislation that attempted to thwart the rights of the minority.
ReplyDeleteSadly, it has never been used once since 1867 to protect linguistic provincial minorities. But what you have to be aware of is that the policy NOT to help the francophones/Catholics outside of Quebec is one that was supported and perpetuated by none other than...FRENCH QUEBECERS.
So it is too cute by half whenever you have linguistic supremacists in Quebec rail against Canada claiming that anglos have violated the rights of francophones in other provinces. While this may be true, it was done with the encouragement and enabling of Quebec. And the most guilty parties? George Etienne Cartier, Langevin, and the Church. Oh, and that prick John A. MacDonald, too.
Quebec gas become the Belgium of North America
ReplyDeleteLes américains ont des lois pour protéger l'anglais, le saviez-vous? En Allemagne, les lois pour protéger l'Allemand sont 10 fois plus sévères que ce qu'on a au Québec pour protéger le Québec. Vous ne faites que du Québec bashing, vous êtes des basheux, des chialeux, vous vous attaquez à une culture exceptionnelle qu'il faut protéger... au sein d'une population nord-américaine quasiment juste anglais. Apprenez à respecter les Québécois...
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