tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post8306949117413347339..comments2024-02-17T03:22:53.951-05:00Comments on No Dogs or Anglophones: Marois Abandons Corruption Platform and Plays the Race CardEditorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05699783315783642466noreply@blogger.comBlogger168125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-40368248093973134602012-09-13T20:58:09.764-04:002012-09-13T20:58:09.764-04:00Bien voyons donc ! À McGill à Concordia, à Bishop,...Bien voyons donc ! À McGill à Concordia, à Bishop, Dawson etc, tous les campus anglophones ca se passe comme ca? C'est la faute aux Péquistes ? Ce sont les libéraux qui étaient en place depuis 9 ans il me semble !!!<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-13724813623577528032012-08-20T00:28:28.004-04:002012-08-20T00:28:28.004-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-2215889600975197702012-08-14T23:06:28.235-04:002012-08-14T23:06:28.235-04:00Apple IIGS : The way you say people are depends a ...Apple IIGS : The way you say people are depends a lot on the way your threat them and on your own bias. I am not saying that you look for trouble or are dishonnest but I have heard more than once people blaming other or racism while they have deserved it.<br /><br />Anyways, just look at the way we are called and treated just because we want to stand up for our dignity, there is a lot of racisme right there. Do you ever complain about that too ??Canada Librehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17649621402288683003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-49094001801366250272012-08-14T23:00:50.086-04:002012-08-14T23:00:50.086-04:00Troy : ''insinuating that since he is real...Troy : ''insinuating that since he is really a John James, he is not worthy being a leader of Quebecers''<br /><br />Québec francophones - have elected and supported politicians named Johnson, Ryan, Mulroney, Mulcair and so on. The name is no an issue. The problem with John James is that he did change his name hoping to improve the percetion on him. That stinks to us for two good reasons : First, it is hypocritical. Second, it implies that he believes we are racists.<br /><br />http://images.lpcdn.ca/435x290/201009/14/199671.jpgCanada Librehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17649621402288683003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-14739135303873352312012-08-14T22:50:31.500-04:002012-08-14T22:50:31.500-04:00It's nice to read your comment, Australian Mon...It's nice to read your comment, Australian Montrealer. Thank you.<br /><br />I would just want you to know that, before Bill 101, this city was mostly English in shops, workplace, sign, etc., a unilingual francophone could not make a comparable living to a unilingual anglophone and more than 80 % of immigration were switching to English. For the French majority population, something had to be done.<br /><br />Best regards,<br />CLCanada Librehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17649621402288683003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-18029245239930580722012-08-13T22:32:34.879-04:002012-08-13T22:32:34.879-04:00Il a fallu plusieurs générations avant que les ang...Il a fallu plusieurs générations avant que les anglos ne dominent par le nombre. Et ça n'a pas pu se faire par les taux de natalités.<br /><br />Alexis de Tocqueville a laissé quelques descriptions de la présence francophone hors Québec en 1831. Entre autre : ''The sixth of August early in the morning we entered the village which bears the name of Sault Ste. Marie. ... Everybody at Ste. Marie speaks French. ''<br /><br /><br />http://www.tocqueville.org/mi3.htmCanada Librehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17649621402288683003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-9848497551468592552012-08-13T10:45:24.009-04:002012-08-13T10:45:24.009-04:00À Yannick : Why did the occupation governements in...À Yannick : Why did the occupation governements in all Canadien provinces and territories outside Québec needed to regulate against the use of French if there weren't any French speaking populations there ??<br /><br />The fact is that, except for the East Coast, America has been French - from Cap Breton to the Rockies and from Hudson Bay to the Mexico Gulf -.Canada Librehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17649621402288683003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-27938520761135112432012-08-13T00:08:02.206-04:002012-08-13T00:08:02.206-04:00This is completely off topic, and I will understan...This is completely off topic, and I will understand if th Editor wishes to delete this post since it has nothing to do with Montreal or Anglo rights in Quebec, but I wonder what Expos fans here think of the success their former team is having seven years after they left?Edward J. Cunninghamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11925008506185290162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-49790871549127565592012-08-12T23:32:46.479-04:002012-08-12T23:32:46.479-04:00Ben oui...
Vous allez avoir de sérieux problèmes ...Ben oui...<br /><br />Vous allez avoir de sérieux problèmes à réunir tous ces gens (pour la plupart très individualistes) qui n'ont qu'un seul point commun:<br /><br />Le globishS.Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-51997538875830350932012-08-12T23:18:59.964-04:002012-08-12T23:18:59.964-04:00It is time as anglophones or allophones that we ne...It is time as anglophones or allophones that we need to stand up to this racism and attempt to crush our fundamental rights in a free country called Canada. I urge everyone to call their MNA and MP to tell them you object. We need to act as a group, we are nearly 900 000 people we have a voice and it needs to be heard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-67343765477555968042012-08-12T22:41:00.156-04:002012-08-12T22:41:00.156-04:00FROM ED BROWN
JBG wants a detailed explanation why...FROM ED BROWN<br />JBG wants a detailed explanation why some Quebecers don't speak French. It' not complicated J. They are English people who respect their own language and see it as good enough. If they feel they don't need French, why should they learn it? It's called freedom. Thankfully, we have not lost that yet. EdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-29161692885499661982012-08-12T21:48:53.421-04:002012-08-12T21:48:53.421-04:00See, that is something I would like to see tested....See, that is something I would like to see tested. Take an identical resume written in French, write on the top of one copy Kevin Smith, on the top of another copy Kevin Levesque, on the top of a 3rd copy Jean Levesque, a 4th Jean Smith, a 5th Adam Goldberg, a 6th Chan Nguyen, a 7th Harjinderpal Singh Ghuman and send it out to 1000 job postings and count the replies. Then do the same in English with an English resume to English jobs and do it also in say Calgary for comparison. There has to be a good masters level thesis in such a test. The results would be interesting, and I believe not nessesarily as simply racist as you think.<br /><br />From my experience, I have had 3 hiring managers here who are Francophones who really enjoy speaking English. I realise this is an extremely squewed data set since it only includes hiring managers that hired an Anglophone, not those that rejected my resume. However all 3 of these managers have worked hard on their English and are proud of it. They like having a real native Anglophone working for them. I think there might be some prestige to having an Anglo on your team too.<br /><br />I don't want to sound pompous but Allophones, bi-lingual francophones and those uber bi-lingual Anglohones who grew up speaking both languages don't speak and write English as an eloquent native speaker who grew up unilingually does (they might not use the word "pompous" for example even though the word is similar in French because they are just not sure about it, you know?). Their word choice and syntax is colored by the other languages they speak. If deals and business proposals need to be negotiated and written for American suppliers or customers Franco-Quebec companies like a real native Anglophone doing it.<br /><br />I had one manager who said to a co-worker to whom I spoke French "Speak to him in English. We need it to keep our own English sharp and we cant do that by speaking English to each other."Australian Montrealernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-85925537939555866352012-08-12T20:41:53.654-04:002012-08-12T20:41:53.654-04:00"le même principe s'applique aux policier..."le même principe s'applique aux policiers qui patrouillent sur nos autoroutes.Ils ne peuvent sanctionner tous ceux qui dépassent les limites de vitesse mais quand ils en attrapent un"<br /><br />So the QOLF will police corporations, and conduct raids, sting operations, or stake-outs inside offices? Assuming that these "policemen" would get past the reception (they wouldn't), what would they do then? Sneak around cubicles with tape recorders and eavesdrop on employee conversations?<br /><br />Or would it be a "complaint-based system", as with the sign law? The "whistle-blower" would send a tape to the OQLF with a conversation in English, after which the OQLF will open a file? Given that a tape is poor evidence (you can't prove the place of the conversation, nor the time), maybe video proof will be required? In which case the "whistle-blower" would need to smuggle a camcorder into the corporation and plant it in someone's cubicle or in a conference room. Or use an iPhone, but that you can't plant anywhere. You'd have to stick it in someone's face, which would obviously kill the secrecy factor. And all this effort (and risk - if you're caught you're out) just to catch Patel and Chang discussing database design in (broken) English.adskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-79096429384849927482012-08-12T20:11:54.967-04:002012-08-12T20:11:54.967-04:00Guillaume : ''Quebec is still miles head o...Guillaume : ''Quebec is still miles head of other provinces in terms of bilingualism.''<br /><br />It could be the other way around : Québec is behind other provinces in terms of assimilation. That is closer to the truth because all populations of Canada and Acadia used to be French speaking (or some autochtone language, of course).<br /><br />By the way; this is my first comment here. I wanted to join because, despite the usual stupidity written written here - like in most political blogs and forums -, I have read some very interesting and stimulating comments; way above average.<br /><br />Pour plus de détails à mon sujet, voyez mon site personnel : www.CanadaLibre.ca<br /><br />Mes respects,<br />CLCanada Librehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17649621402288683003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-39322060099389458852012-08-12T19:59:33.517-04:002012-08-12T19:59:33.517-04:00I don't know any numbers, yet I've certain...I don't know any numbers, yet I've certainly met many anglo Montrealers who don't speak even conversational French. <br /><br />I consider bilingualism a real gift and I don't understand their lack of interest; I'm sure it is complex and detailed.JBGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-4562768544737003562012-08-12T19:51:10.793-04:002012-08-12T19:51:10.793-04:00Is there any lawyer aboard?
The concept of ne bis...Is there any lawyer aboard?<br /><br />The concept of <i>ne bis in idem</i>, or commonly known as Double Jeopardy, prevents legal action to be instituted twice for the same course of action. I think it mostly applies in criminal law. How about its application in legislation? Can pieces of laws that have been ruled illegal be instituted by the legislators over and over?Troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09960771543572680283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-44295175802306257852012-08-12T19:04:54.188-04:002012-08-12T19:04:54.188-04:00I had considered the CAQ as a possible option for ...<b>I had considered the CAQ as a possible option for my vote.</b><br />A distant second. And only if there's no federalist group.<br /><br />- Legault keeps reminding me of the absentee out of touch father who can't control his kids (e.g. Duchesneau)<br />- La <a href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=castafiore&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&biw=1204&bih=641&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=CTYoUKzMEtKI6AG_oIGwBg" rel="nofollow">Castafiore</a> (a.k.a. Marois) keeps behaving like a prima donna and even if I were a post-101 nationalist I'd be scratching my head about her suitability to run this province...<br /><br />- My boy Charest, warts and all, almost seems to win by default.Apparatchiknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-15445080704539626682012-08-12T19:03:32.145-04:002012-08-12T19:03:32.145-04:00Yannick,
It is fine for you to disagree, of cours...Yannick,<br /><br />It is fine for you to disagree, of course. However, empirical evidence does not seem to be in line with your opinion. Do you have any evidence or argument that suggest otherwise?<br /><br />E.J. Cunningham,<br /><br />France generally receive immigrants only from its former colonies. Switzerland never cares about immigration. In general, European countries are not very open for immigrants. Immigration to select big European countries usually done through education or family ties. The only exception was during the internet boom in 2000s. In that era, Germany opened its doors for those with specific skills.<br /><br />It is also worth noted that a number of big companies in Germany operate in English. SAP, Daimler-Benz, VW to name a few. EADS also operate in English. Its operations are all across Europe with one major subsidiary, Airbus, having final assembly line in Toulouse, France.<br /><br />Trivia: do you know that one can get good job in major companies in France with fluent English and beginner's French?<br /><br />Also, there are flaws in Yannick's argument.<br /><br /><b>Incidentally, when some of the PQ talked about instating a Quebec citizenship requiring the acquisition of French, they got called fascists and racists even though most European countries (including the UK, I believe, though they are talking about substituting Welsh for English for that requirement in Wales) have the exact same requirement.</b><br /><br />While some countries in the world legally define sub-national citizenship, its obtainment is achieved simply be residence. Nowhere in the world that a sub-national citizenship can override rights granted by the national one. And of course, there is no such thing as Scottish or Welsh citizenship. To get British citizenship by naturalization, one must meet competency standard in English, Gaelic or Welsh. Just like to get Canadian citizenship by naturalization, one must meet competency standard in English or French.<br /><br />In conclusion: yes, PQ's Quebec citizenship is indeed racist and fascist; no, it is wrong that "most European countries" have sub-national citizenship requirement.Troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09960771543572680283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-8189809311361364512012-08-12T18:16:53.087-04:002012-08-12T18:16:53.087-04:00Barrette's the titanic.Voter common sense is t...Barrette's the titanic.Voter common sense is the laitue iceberg.S.Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-37667417768324795842012-08-12T18:09:14.042-04:002012-08-12T18:09:14.042-04:00I don't want to generalize those facts to the ...<b>I don't want to generalize those facts to the entire anglophone population of our province. I know that most of them learned French and they take pride in speaking it. However, the fact remains that there is still a non-negligible proportion of young Montrealers that doesn't deem it as important to learn French.</b><br /><br />I am one of those non-101 children, Guillaume. Through one of my parents, I inherited the right to attend English school, which I did. I also attended French School. And then I attended University. Once in French, and once in English.<br /><br />I fundamentally believe (not simply idealistically) that bilingualism is the best personal and societal state for us to be in. The problem is, I see both a small handful of closed-off West Island anglos and a shitload of young péquiste supporters who applaud the new an improved 101 and I think the problem cuts both ways.<br /><br />Unilingualism is a luxury neither side in this province can continue to afford. A little "speak White" and a little "en français!" are both necessary to break both unilingual sides out of their delusion. But from my point of view as a critically thinking francophone observer myself, outright state-sanctioned anglophobia is not the way of the future. Yes, telling francophones and allophones that they don't have the necessary maturity to attend anglophone institutions and still know french is not just insulting to the allos and francos, but it also constitutes anglophobia. Perhaps if we killed the insecurity gene planted in our collective minds and actually worked toward building bilingual institutions in a bilingual Montreal, the politicians wouldn't be able to even TRY to play divide-and-conquer with populist rhetoric such as Pauline's.Apparatchiknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-63145203719135729782012-08-12T18:08:29.890-04:002012-08-12T18:08:29.890-04:00Anyhow, I'm not going to get all huffed up abo...Anyhow, I'm not going to get all huffed up about Queen Marois' beefed-up 101 laws yet. After all, we still have over three more weeks left in the race.<br /><br />If anything, Queen Pas-lean (sorry, had to step in and call the kettle black) keeps shooting herself in the foot. Say whatever you want against Legault and Charest...if you backtrack to the beginning of the election, neither of those two candidates shot themselves in the foot as many times as Marois has.<br /><br />Remember how just four days ago, she was practically offering drive-thru BJs to federalists and the English community, and now we're right back to the lowest common denominator...or should we call it... the SR-vote.<br /><br />So for S.R's sake...who clearly is too busy rummaging through Youtube's archives for vintage Elvis Gratton footage to take note of where Marois' campaign is going:<br /><br />1. All Francophones will have to study in French (brain drain)<br /><br />2. All immigrants must have mastered French before arriving (Pur Laine preservation)<br /><br />3. Foreign investment in Québécois companies will be controlled by the state (The other "R" word)<br /><br />Marois' the Titanic. Voter common sense is the iceberg.Harvey Dentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-14749558085271026702012-08-12T17:51:42.350-04:002012-08-12T17:51:42.350-04:00Brent Tyler?
Pas très impressionnant comme feuill...Brent Tyler?<br /><br />Pas très impressionnant comme feuille de route jusqu'à maintenant.Je crois que les angryphones devraient engager une équipe d'avocats de talent si ils veulent marquer des points.De plus,le pauvre Brent doit commencer à sentir l'épuisement :)S.Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-37590958976680301742012-08-12T17:38:31.544-04:002012-08-12T17:38:31.544-04:00@Adski - the irony here is that some of Marois'...@Adski - the irony here is that some of Marois' workplace 101 proposals could come into a legal clash with another piece of Québec's workplace code: http://www.cnt.gouv.qc.ca/en-cas-de/harcelement-psychologique/index.html<br /><br />Hmmm...think I'll pass that on to Brent Tyler.Harvey Dentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-17969798909695988082012-08-12T17:30:12.604-04:002012-08-12T17:30:12.604-04:00Adski,le même principe s'applique aux policier...Adski,le même principe s'applique aux policiers qui patrouillent sur nos autoroutes.Ils ne peuvent sanctionner tous ceux qui dépassent les limites de vitesse mais quand ils en attrapent un...Ça lui coûte cher.S.Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-45676657224529576722012-08-12T17:07:30.255-04:002012-08-12T17:07:30.255-04:00I really enjoy your comments Australian Montrealer...I really enjoy your comments Australian Montrealer. It's good to see that you have an open mindset toward the francophone community and Quebec's culture in general.<br /><br />However, in 2012, there are still some young people in Quebec that don't speak French. I was raised in the western part of Montreal. I did all my studies in French so I've been to school with many of those "children of bill 101" and I can tell you that the will to learn French isn't present in every individual. For some of them, the only place where they would speak French was at school and even then, they wouldn't really mix themselves with the franco (from all ethnic origins) kids.<br /><br />For them, French is basically a pain in the ***, once they are done with high school, they can go to an English CEGEP, live the rest of their life in English and leave French locked somewhere in a drawer. Maybe they'll open the drawer later in their life, maybe they'll just leave to locked.<br /><br />Then, there is the children that weren't affected by Bill 101. They learn English at school, they speak it with their parents and their friends. They don't see the necessity to learn French. Most of them will likely learn it and one point or another, but some of them won't.<br /><br />Like I said before, I don't want to generalize those facts to the entire anglophone population of our province. I know that most of them learned French and they take pride in speaking it. However, the fact remains that there is still a non-negligible proportion of young Montrealers that doesn't deem it as important to learn French.Guillaume Légarénoreply@blogger.com