tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post7525174528809481202..comments2024-02-17T03:22:53.951-05:00Comments on No Dogs or Anglophones: Campaign Signs We'd Like to SeeEditorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05699783315783642466noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-1618955023207764882011-04-26T20:38:13.325-04:002011-04-26T20:38:13.325-04:00American English speakers - 350 million
British En...American English speakers - 350 million<br />British English speakers - 60 million<br /><br />American Spanish speakers - 350 million<br />European Spanish speakers - 45 million<br /><br />American Portuguese speakers - 190 million<br />European Portuguese speakers - 10 million<br /><br />American French speakers - 7 million<br />European French speakers - 60 million<br /><br />So yes, some languages fare better in the new variants, and some fare better in original variants while its new variant becomes a parochial dialect. And it all depends on how well each colony has done.<br /><br />The French didn't do so well in North America, and so their American descendants (i.e. you) have to pay the price of sorts.<br /><br />Don't blame the British. Blame the king of France for not giving a damn.adskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-61200115621653255682011-04-26T18:41:36.333-04:002011-04-26T18:41:36.333-04:00Chénier dit: Vous dites n'importe quoi, les Qu...Chénier dit: Vous dites n'importe quoi, les Québécois parlent bien le français avec certaines variantes typiques. C'est tout. Par exemple, je vous assure que d'entendre un Belge,un Ivoirien ou un Français du Midi, vous n'y comprendrez rien.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-9701849863701662042011-04-26T16:58:01.567-04:002011-04-26T16:58:01.567-04:00What has "standing" got to do with it? T...What has "standing" got to do with it? The British were much better at nurturing their colonies than the french were, and in addition the french lost several key engagements in Europe which resulted in them giving up their colonies. The end.<br /><br />And yeah if you deny that Québec french is to France french what American english, Mexican spanish and Brazilian potuguese are to British english, Spanish spanish and Portugal portuguese you are being intellectually dishonest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-87673586611762361842011-04-26T15:08:31.485-04:002011-04-26T15:08:31.485-04:00Anon 2:25, so you're saying that the standing ...Anon 2:25, so you're saying that the standing of American English vis-a-vis American French has nothing to do with the relative success/failure of each respective colonizer? That it has more to do with the trials and tribulations of the French royalty?<br /><br />And you’re saying that I am intellectually dishonest?adskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-44019527908626167302011-04-26T14:25:15.906-04:002011-04-26T14:25:15.906-04:00@ adski
LOL at you anglos trying to prove you don...@ adski<br /><br />LOL at you anglos trying to prove you don't have an accent... everybody else does!<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dialects_of_the_English_language#Europe<br /><br />The fact is that "joual" is derived from french that was popular among the upper class in the XVIIth century and among early french settlers, while in France it died out with the royalty and Parisian street slang ultimately won out. I question wether you and other commenters on this issue actually speak with real Québécois or get your knowledge of french from RBO sketches and reruns of Les Boys. Par for the course, for the intellectually dishonest and bankrupt members of this blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-6455349813890771702011-04-26T12:01:15.915-04:002011-04-26T12:01:15.915-04:00Arguing whether there are differences and variatio...Arguing whether there are differences and variations in regional versions of languages like English, French, Spanish, or Portuguese is pointless, because it’s a fact that there are differences between them. These languages span several continents, so it’s natural that British English will differ from American English as the France French will differ from Quebec French. Whether American English is more or less different from European English, than American French from European French is irrelevant.<br /><br />What’s relevant here is that the North American form of English (the “colonial” or American English) has become the dominant form of the language, while the colonial form of French (Joual) has become a regional dialect, with the European French being the dominant form of French.<br /><br />This illustrates the relative success of English-speaking colonies, and a relative failure of the French-speaking ones.adskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-15493429513876268032011-04-26T10:34:48.052-04:002011-04-26T10:34:48.052-04:00"Don't even get me started on the Quebeco..."Don't even get me started on the Quebecois accent, that makes hillbillies and rednecks sound like high class royality by comparison to Joual."<br /><br />It is quite true, despite Press 9's delirious protestations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-31091401771561654762011-04-26T10:31:05.805-04:002011-04-26T10:31:05.805-04:00To Press 9,
"How The Earth Changed History&q...To Press 9,<br /><br />"How The Earth Changed History" was a highly intelligent show that described how the natural forces of the planet have shaped human history. The host, Iain Stewart, was a professor of geology.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-84545446897710064432011-04-26T09:12:00.486-04:002011-04-26T09:12:00.486-04:00Anon 9:32PM: “When I recently watched a BBC televi...Anon 9:32PM: “When I recently watched a BBC television show entitled "How the Earth Changed History", with its Scottish host, there was no need for subtitles. Same thing with the movie, "Trainspotting".<br /><br />When I watch "Dr. Phil", with its Texan host, there is no need for subtitles. Same thing with "CSI" - the character "Nick Stokes" is a Texan.<br /><br />When I watched the Australian "Crocodile Dundee" movies, there was no need for subtitles. Same thing with the deceased Australian host of the "Crocodile Hunter".”<br /><br /><br /><br />A Scottish movie “The Acid House” was subtitled on ShowCase. The disclaimer read: “Close captions provided for North American audience”. <br /><br />I also learned that American networks were in a habit of subtitling Australian shows so that the members of the American audience wouldn’t have to extend themselves. I learned this from youtube commentary to the trailer of an Australian movie Animal Kingdom, whose comment board turned into an exchange of jibes between Americans and Australians.<br /><br />I personally know an Anglo woman who refuses to watch movies with British actors who keep their accents. She says she doesn’t have the energy to follow the accents, and when she watches a movie she just wants to sit back and not strain herself. For this exact reason she passed on the Lord of the Rings trilogy.<br /><br />As for myself, I’ve had the “pleasure” of talking to a fellow with a Cockney accent when I visited London. If he spoke Chinese, it would have amounted to the same thing. <br /><br />Also, Tommy Lee Jones’s deep West Texas accent in No Country For Old Men is tough. It sounds more like mumbling than intelligible speech.adskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-9895469610831679942011-04-26T00:57:07.215-04:002011-04-26T00:57:07.215-04:00@Press 1 for english.
Thats exactly what i though...@Press 1 for english.<br /><br />Thats exactly what i thought, when I watch some France based news or documentaries they are so clear and understandable. When the Quebecois speak their Joual and we don't understand their blurred speech right away, they say they don't know French. When speaking to immigrants from France, Africa (french speaking countries), Belgium. They reassured me, that my French was not the problem, its the Quebecois that pass their joual for French.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-20519683598561332492011-04-25T23:28:55.675-04:002011-04-25T23:28:55.675-04:00Press 9:
You want to know something interesting? ...Press 9:<br /><br />You want to know something interesting? I've always considered myself borderline in understanding French. Speaking with people in this province I grew up in, I'm always struggling to understand what they're saying. I just figured all this time it was me, I wasn't fluently bilingual.<br /><br />Then one day, not many years ago, I watched a French film from France. I was shocked, suddenly I understood EVERY WORD--clear as English! Then I watched a documentary filmed in France, same thing, no trouble understanding a word! Went back and watched some Quebec films and TV shows, I'm at a loss again! So it seems it's not "French" I struggle with, it is this ridiculous Joual slang spoken here in Quebec. It is NOT French, it is NOT even a language...it's a bastardized and mangled version of true French. The accent adds another level of difficulty on top, as it is spoken much too quickly (almost a blur!), there is too much uneven bounce up and down in the speech. And it just sounds overall rough and crude, unintelligent even.<br /><br />I don't understand how you can be proud of it. French is a beautiful language, Quebecois Joual is harsh on the ears. I'm being opened and honest here, take it for what you will.<br /><br />I think Quebec should seriously teach courses on Parisian French, not just the grammar, but the accent as well. I'm curious, would you be interested in learning European French? Change is a good thing.Press 1 for Englishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-41463951145739660532011-04-25T22:58:07.599-04:002011-04-25T22:58:07.599-04:00"How the Earth Changed History"
"Dr..."How the Earth Changed History"<br />"Dr. Phil" and..."Crocodile Hunter"<br /><br />Wow!Je suis vraiment impressionné par vos choix télévisuels.Quelle érudition...Je suis sur le cul!<br />Quand on dit que les anglos canadian ont une "culture" défaillante,voila un bel exemple.<br /><br />Merci de si bien illustrer nos affirmations monsieur le béotien.Press 9noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-29031553454793990792011-04-25T22:42:09.957-04:002011-04-25T22:42:09.957-04:00"that makes hillbillies and rednecks sound li..."that makes hillbillies and rednecks sound like high class royality by comparison to Joual."<br /><br />And you sound like a pathetic racist idiot.<br />C'est vous la troisième classe chez-nous!Press 9noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-6789762562957532442011-04-25T22:07:20.324-04:002011-04-25T22:07:20.324-04:00To Roi Soleil:
Yo ah see, you be jivin' Joual...To Roi Soleil:<br /><br />Yo ah see, you be jivin' Joual. dat mus' be why ah didn't recognize yo' language. French an' Joual is nuttin' alike. You speak gibberish. ta give you an idea what yo' language sounds like, ah'm speaking in ebonix. It iz da same as Joual an don't make me pull mah gat!<br /><br />--<br />There my friend, does that sounds anything remotely like English? Not in the least. Quebec Joual is identical to Ebonics...heavy slang, gibberish, broken grammar, misspellings and generally making the person speaking it sound unintelligent and unsophisticated. Don't even get me started on the Quebecois accent, that makes hillbillies and rednecks sound like high class royality by comparison to Joual.Ebonics = Joualnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-47796923298880186672011-04-25T21:43:32.700-04:002011-04-25T21:43:32.700-04:00anon 8:47
A franco chauvnist calling others racis...anon 8:47<br /><br />A franco chauvnist calling others racists and liars? Thats hilarious. Quebecois franco chauvanist distort and delete so much historical facts in their arguements. They don't even respond to the majority of replies they just try to change the topic or talk about things that have nothing to do with it. <br /><br />Yes we didn't have many people at the protest but it wasn't even in the widespread mainstream media. Also unlike the thousands of welfare cases and Quebec government employees (majoirty of them are like welfare recipients anyway) that the Quebecois chauvanists have in their ranks many of us have to remain anonymous to protect our jobs from retaliation. <br /><br />Anyway time is not on your side the demographics in Canada and Quebec will make it increasingly harder for you to manipulate Canada for your benefit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-35349867419085365292011-04-25T21:32:24.930-04:002011-04-25T21:32:24.930-04:00@ Anon. at 8:47 PM,
Perhaps I should explain:
Wh...@ Anon. at 8:47 PM,<br /><br />Perhaps I should explain:<br /><br />When I recently watched a BBC television show entitled "How the Earth Changed History", with its Scottish host, there was no need for subtitles. Same thing with the movie, "Trainspotting".<br /><br />When I watch "Dr. Phil", with its Texan host, there is no need for subtitles. Same thing with "CSI" - the character "Nick Stokes" is a Texan.<br /><br />When I watched the Australian "Crocodile Dundee" movies, there was no need for subtitles. Same thing with the deceased Australian host of the "Crocodile Hunter".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-7194161170386572011-04-25T21:17:20.168-04:002011-04-25T21:17:20.168-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-64199911584292363652011-04-25T21:15:26.299-04:002011-04-25T21:15:26.299-04:00To April 25, 2011 7:55 PM: Je n'ai jamais dit ...To April 25, 2011 7:55 PM: Je n'ai jamais dit que le joual n'existe pas. Par contre, l'élevé au rang de langue commune des Québécois, vous êtes de mauvaise foi. Si vous parlez de gens n'ayant pas eu la chance de s'éduquer, c'est comme partout. À ce que je sache, les canadiens anglais ne sont pas tous des Shakespeare... Certains parlent ''l'argot américain (U.S. slang en anglais) est un langage fréquemment parlé aux États-Unis, chaque région du pays et chaque milieu social (avec quelques différences subtiles dans certaines grandes villes américaines) ayant son propre argot ou du moins ses propres termes, à première vue incompréhensibles.'' (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argot_des_%C3%89tats-Unis))Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-8746788942404780712011-04-25T21:14:39.263-04:002011-04-25T21:14:39.263-04:00@ Pedro,
"Si Lord Durham revenait aujourd...@ Pedro,<br /><br />"Si Lord Durham revenait aujourd'hui, il regarderait les Canadiens-anglais et dirait certainement : « Contrairement à toute nation digne de ce nom, ce petit peuple n'a pas de culture. Pour leur bien-être, il vaudrait mieux qu'ils s'assimilent aux Américains. Ils pourront de plus s'affranchir de leur complexe d'infériorité »."<br /><br />No, Lord Durham would STILL say that about les petits Quebecois.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-44953432697351446892011-04-25T20:47:30.617-04:002011-04-25T20:47:30.617-04:00"I have no trouble at all understanding Scott..."I have no trouble at all understanding Scottish, Texan and Australian accents."<br /><br />Mr.Canadian anglo you're just a racist liar!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-73851231292414387592011-04-25T20:35:16.102-04:002011-04-25T20:35:16.102-04:00Les Québécois ne parlent peut-être pas le français...Les Québécois ne parlent peut-être pas le français de France, mais au moins ils ont une culture, eux.<br /><br />Si Lord Durham revenait aujourd'hui, il regarderait les Canadiens-anglais et dirait certainement : « Contrairement à toute nation digne de ce nom, ce petit peuple n'a pas de culture. Pour leur bien-être, il vaudrait mieux qu'ils s'assimilent aux Américains. Ils pourront de plus s'affranchir de leur complexe d'infériorité ».Pedronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-5208572763536822212011-04-25T19:55:26.829-04:002011-04-25T19:55:26.829-04:00@ Anonymous at 6:24 PM,
"Justement, les Québ...@ Anonymous at 6:24 PM,<br /><br />"Justement, les Québécois ne parlent pas joual comme vous dites, ils parlent bien français."<br /><br />Some French Canadians do speak Joual. See wikipedia:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JoualAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-9138362188296995812011-04-25T19:44:45.497-04:002011-04-25T19:44:45.497-04:00"Untrue for the complete understanding of eac..."Untrue for the complete understanding of each other dialects in anglo countries. What about scottish english, texas and australian ?"<br /><br />You don't know what you are talking about. I am a Canadian Anglo and I have no trouble at all understanding Scottish, Texan and Australian accents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-1779602402098062132011-04-25T19:25:36.903-04:002011-04-25T19:25:36.903-04:00Any vote the Bloc looses to the NDP is 2.50$ less ...Any vote the Bloc looses to the NDP is 2.50$ less for their war chest. The Bloc receives virtually no political donations from their backers. If the Torys win a majority, that vote donation will be abolished.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-15359230637524165002011-04-25T18:26:30.548-04:002011-04-25T18:26:30.548-04:00Untrue for the complete understanding of each othe...Untrue for the complete understanding of each other dialects in anglo countries. What about scottish english, texas and australian ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com