tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post7249546920708043535..comments2024-02-17T03:22:53.951-05:00Comments on No Dogs or Anglophones: Quebec Language Cops - It's Time to Push Back HardEditorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05699783315783642466noreply@blogger.comBlogger161125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-2283615094105706072013-03-09T02:03:49.668-05:002013-03-09T02:03:49.668-05:00For Yannick:
I wrote this synopsis of "Atla...For Yannick: <br /><br />I wrote this synopsis of "Atlas Shrugged" a while back:<br /><br /><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMh6nMO52fqx7_uaz2H_dYcJJMGY6j0v0BOAQwJM0Q/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow">Atlas Shrugged is too fucking long</a> Tony Kondakshttp://www.whycanadamustend.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-21362203676379559242013-03-08T11:10:43.595-05:002013-03-08T11:10:43.595-05:00I forgot another force, the most powerful one: cul...I forgot another force, the most powerful one: culture. Attitudes, ideas, viewpoints, beliefs, disseminated to people from their early age, e.g. in schools with which you cannot compete. <br /><br />Unbeatable forces? Not necessarily, but not beatable by us. The forces can be beat by every francophone individually, through his/her own experiences, through his/her own questioning, through his/her own skepticism and exploration. Such a person will arrive at his/her own conclusions but then will not need you to present a different viewpoint. Those that do "need" you are behind a thick wall which you can't penetrate.<br /><br />I say let it go. Let them come up with things on their own, or let them stay in their world. Not everybody has to "get along". In every society people will be people with different views. As long as they recognize the rule that the freedom to swing their fist ends at your nose, everything will be fine. And I know that some of them don't recognize the rule. The way to deal with them though is not by "reaching out", but by avoiding them.adskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-29958630878190886732013-03-08T10:49:30.855-05:002013-03-08T10:49:30.855-05:00Steve: "And, you have to take this message to...Steve: "And, you have to take this message to their communities, to the directly. If we believe in what we say, we should have no fear of the debate. I've been debating it for a decade, succesfully. "<br /><br />You can do it, but you'd be wasting your time. You'd run into a wall of indifference and hostility. Even if you manage to sway someone, that someone will go home, flick on his telly, catch Loco Locass or Emmanuel Bilodeau on TLMEP (both <i>regular</i> guests on this most popular QC talk show, and both with the same <i>one constant</i> message), and relapse right back into thinking of you as a threat.<br /><br />There are powerful (all politcal parties, government at all levels) and moneyed (PK Paladeau of Quebecor) forces in this province in whose interest it is to keep the divisions in place, to keep people frightened, to keep people at each other throats. You're going up against those forces with your "message". I applaud your good intentions while at the same time scratching my head. I'm thinking you're probably new to Quebec.<br /><br />adskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-44910086337895312182013-03-08T09:05:02.462-05:002013-03-08T09:05:02.462-05:00That is what is called the "lamb lobby" ...That is what is called the "lamb lobby" and represents the failed first 40 years of trying to protect anglo's.<br /><br />Back to 1970 with you...<br />cebeuqnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-11432432218242846082013-03-08T01:13:27.304-05:002013-03-08T01:13:27.304-05:00FROM ED
1 am. before I crash I refer evryone to po...FROM ED<br />1 am. before I crash I refer evryone to post I made a few posts back about what we can do to post some English signs. This is important because it will unnerve the French seeing them and awaken them to the fact that changes are coming. So I ask once again what can you do to post English signs or at least what would you like to do if it was possible. Others might pick up on your idea and run with it. <br />Let's keep the fun going until Dr. Chouinard is elected on the 17th and see where it goes from there. EdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-70214562205382357762013-03-08T00:42:27.186-05:002013-03-08T00:42:27.186-05:00Hatred is not taught in QC french schools, but it ...Hatred is not taught in QC french schools, but it is the only place on earth where schools ban the flag of their country.<br />Try researching that, or try walking in a QC frn schl holding a Canadian Flag. see what happens to you.<br /><br />No hate? Really?<br /><br />Disgusting!Teachernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-1848903825717022152013-03-07T23:39:01.872-05:002013-03-07T23:39:01.872-05:00"Far from francos not wanting to have access ..."Far from francos not wanting to have access to anglo schools, the fact is that many would like to, most notably those in higher income brackets who understand its value and are less drawn towards mindless dogma. Even where i work, when discussion of language of education comes up, francos often express frustration that they cannot choose and make jokes about the poor level of enlighs in french schools (as a sig of frustration with it)."<br /><br />Mets-en!AnecTOTEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-31489202844892948032013-03-07T23:25:31.003-05:002013-03-07T23:25:31.003-05:00@un canadien
"I must protest at the high hyp...@un canadien<br /><br />"I must protest at the high hypocrisy of you pretending to speak for French Canadians!"<br /><br />that's crazytalk, mate. show me were i pretend that. i speak for myself, about french canadians. can you handle that nuance, un canadien?<br /><br />the rest of your rant is really low quality. i can't go so low. sorry.studentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-38412652774445192252013-03-07T23:19:45.075-05:002013-03-07T23:19:45.075-05:00@true_north
"Nobody in English-speaking Cana...@true_north<br /><br />"Nobody in English-speaking Canada uses the term..."<br /><br />so what? you joking mate?!?studentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-30271804974803241792013-03-07T23:12:01.151-05:002013-03-07T23:12:01.151-05:00@l.steve
"...you need them to be trapped in ...@l.steve<br /><br />"...you need them to be trapped in QC and brainwahsed into the franco mould..."<br /><br />you went through a school system, right l.steve? well you are brainwashed too, mate. let's call it a culture unless you prefer i refer to an english education as an indoctrination.<br /><br />french canadian kid should get a french canadian education to prolong french canadian culture existence. yes i think it's valuabl. the other advantage is for the kid as it gives him a firm sense of identity, which is a valuable asset for life.<br /><br />"while having limited exposure to "cooler things" or to ideas that may lead them to disagree with nationalists views ?"<br /><br />don't get me wrong. i don't think alternate cultures are cooler. but they might look so for a french canadian kid who goes to an english elementary or high school. and i think it's a bad thing for a kid to be brainwashed into thinking that his father's tastes, his cousin's tastes and his neighbor's tastes are not cool.<br /><br />and why do you come up with nationalism? i only went on about culture up to now. but since you open the door let's go. if getting a french canadian culture leads to pride and then to nationalism, what's wrong with it? nationalism ain't bad per se.<br /><br />"Incidentally, since you essentially know you were brainwashed into believing in the french view, does that not bother you ?"<br /><br />just as much as an english canadian is bothered when he realizes he got raised as a english canadian. to answer more directly, i'm not bothered at all, mate.<br /><br />"only 37% of francos can even speak english, so they clearly do not learn it when they are older,..."<br /><br />so what? tell me the percentage of francos that wanted to learn english, that went to english cegep and english uni and didn't get a grip on it? it would be a more relevant number to support your argument.<br /><br />"which I suppose essentially meets your stated purpose of keeping them brain-washed and tied to the land, kinda like the seigneuries did back in the day."<br /><br />not at all. didn't you read the bit about my idea of a compulsory world trip to make sure everyone learns english? do i really sound like i wanna trap people and tie them up to the land? clue: no.<br /><br />and you're right about politicians that need to watch what they say as their words can be easily twisted and sent out in every direction. great find l.steve.studentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-74839095159382291922013-03-07T23:07:58.658-05:002013-03-07T23:07:58.658-05:00Student, you really must stop the use of "mat...Student, you really must stop the use of "mate". <br /><br />Nobody in English-speaking Canada uses the term; it is more a Kiwi or Aiussie thing. It also reminds me of the fatuous Jacques Parizeau and his use of "By Jove". <br /><br />Spare us the inappropriate words - or we'll send the tongue troppers after you!true_northhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10667602317316868532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-91833569113232763082013-03-07T22:47:36.843-05:002013-03-07T22:47:36.843-05:00Hello Yannick,
My son goes to a bilingual school,...Hello Yannick,<br /><br />My son goes to a bilingual school, and as I've mentioned, my wife is french and my son's first language is french. He started the school not speaking a word of english, although he understood it as I spoke to him about 60-70% of the time in english.<br /><br />He was also not the only franco kid there. Of his class of 18 students, 4 kids were francos.<br /><br />First, no cliques developped. Actually, the school has a great emphasis on respect towards all. So all kids play well with each other.<br /><br />Secondly, anglo parents were happy to have francos there, as it helped for the french days and getting all kids to speak french.<br /><br />Third, the franco parents in all four cases was the one who pushed to have the kid into english school, so they could perfect english.<br /><br />I was on the fence and leaning towards a franco school, if only out of respect for my in-laws and their insecurity. But my wife and her family felt that me being the father was an opportunity to have access to english schools.<br /><br />This was true of the other families as well. Far from francos not wanting to have access to anglo schools, the fact is that many would like to, most notably those in higher income brackets who understand its value and are less drawn towards mindless dogma. Even where i work, when discussion of language of education comes up, francos often express frustration that they cannot choose and make jokes about the poor level of enlighs in french schools (as a sig of frustration with it).<br /><br />The discussion has never become a big political issue in QC because it is a mine-field that no liberal politician would dare to tread. They are not sure how the population will align, so they won't raise the issue and risk being wiped out. The PQ obvioulsy is pleased with that as they monopolize the discourse.<br /><br />We need a party to raise the discussion, and an Equality Party is best positioned to do it. They seek anglo votes anyway, so to ask for equality for francos would cost them nothing, but may open a pandora's box for the PQ and other politicians. Anglos might actually be able to point to the irony of an anglo party defending the rights of francos.<br /><br />The PQ cannot come out and they say need a brainwahsed population, as Student said, and all other arguments make no sense.<br /><br />The argument they will not be able to learn french adequatly is not supported by studies on bilingualism. All studies say learning two or more languages at a young age helps better understand and master the differences of both. <br /><br />Essentially, nationalists would have no choice but to become like the Repubvlicans of the US who claim that global warming is not happening, depsite almost all studies saying it is. <br /><br />L. Stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-20451205621583144272013-03-07T22:38:36.020-05:002013-03-07T22:38:36.020-05:00Dudent,
"@ts
ah! i see. sorry about that. ...Dudent,<br /> <br />"@ts<br /><br />ah! i see. sorry about that. you're free to go."<br /><br /><br />I think we can all imagine the sense of relief TS must be feeling right now to know that somewhere in that near-perfect vacuum between your ears a solitary one-watt bulb has clicked on and that he has earned your dismissal. <br /><br />I have to go back to work tomorrow so I'll be too busy to attempt to, as Allan Fotheringham would say, "lessen the burden of your ignorance", which seems formidable. Night-night Mosquito Boy<br />Diogenesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-16414524629890253542013-03-07T22:35:14.408-05:002013-03-07T22:35:14.408-05:00@yannick
"The argument put forward by anglop...@yannick<br /><br />"The argument put forward by anglophones that Francophones should have the right & the choice to be able to send their kids to English schools has always sounded hypocritical to me."<br /><br />agree.<br /><br />and it always pops up when angryphones are pressed to explain what's wrong with bill 101. to prove bill 101 is lucifer's deed and that it crimps their lives they go off and explain how it's bad for people who are fine with it. wtf?!?<br /><br />says a lot about the admitable negative impact it has on the life of your average quebec anglophone.studentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-61390650868122766342013-03-07T22:26:38.769-05:002013-03-07T22:26:38.769-05:00Hello Student,
So if i understand your correctly,...Hello Student,<br /><br />So if i understand your correctly, the short of it is that you do not believe francos should have the right to send their kids to anglo schools because you need them to be trapped in QC and brainwahsed into the franco mould, such as liking stephanie richer, watching samedi de rire, while having limited exposure to "cooler things" or to ideas that may lead them to disagree with nationalists views ?<br /><br />I was actually expecting you to dance around it a bit more, and that it would be more of a struggle to get it out of you, but you're quite honest. Congrats. <br /><br />Incidentally, since you essentially know you were brainwashed into believing in the french view, does that not bother you ? Most people might tend to find the idea offensive.<br /><br />As for learning it when they are older, only 37% of francos can even speak english, so they clearly do not learn it when they are older, which I suppose essentially meets your stated purpose of keeping them brain-washed and tied to the land, kinda like the seigneuries did back in the day.<br /><br />The problem is, politicians cannot be so honest as you. They need to appeal to the 65-80% of francos that are moderate. Most francos will not appreciate being told they are not best positioned to decide what is best for their own kids. They also won't like being told they need to be brainwashed and trapped in QC.<br /><br />If a govt member were to say what you just said, the quote would be replayed and replayed, not just in QC but across the planet, until pressure would mount to modify and weaken such a law. That's pretty much why no politician would ever say what you said so unequivocally and matter-of-factly.<br /><br />Again, the name student is interesting since you clearly do not want francos to learn something other than your propaganda.<br /> <br /><br />L. Stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-50481044121573801552013-03-07T22:25:41.283-05:002013-03-07T22:25:41.283-05:00“The argument put forward by anglophones that Fran...“The argument put forward by anglophones that Francophones should have the right & the choice to be able to send their kids to English schools has always sounded hypocritical to me.”<br /><br />You’re free to think what you like. I can tell you that in my case, as one belonging to a minority community, I will forego the “advantages” I have presently to see everyone get their Rights and Freedoms back. <br /><br />If you read my post to L. Steve, I clearly state this. Is it a foreign concept to you that people would put ‘Ethics’, ‘Values’ and ‘Principles’ ahead of their personal interests? This is yet another thing that is wrong with our society. First we’re always thinking in terms of our own personal Agenda’s, and secondly, we’re skeptical of people who feel there is real significance in upholding real values.<br /><br />What does that say about us?AnecTOTEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-62216988621774446052013-03-07T22:24:24.002-05:002013-03-07T22:24:24.002-05:00Guess you and I, AnceTOTE, will have to run off in...Guess you and I, AnceTOTE, will have to run off into the sunset together now that you're considered as "Mad" as I - It was meant to be - lol - what a separatist jerk! Cutie003https://www.blogger.com/profile/09298173716590278098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-66491351614031026062013-03-07T22:20:14.529-05:002013-03-07T22:20:14.529-05:00@ts
ah! i see. sorry about that. you're free ...@ts<br /><br />ah! i see. sorry about that. you're free to go.studentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-90344890057444720132013-03-07T22:00:48.433-05:002013-03-07T22:00:48.433-05:00"you mad, bro. i thought cutie003 was the wor..."you mad, bro. i thought cutie003 was the worst but you're getting there too."<br /><br />Consider your ass "OFFICIALLY' kicked from here to China. <br /><br />Now SCRAMMMMMM ...you vile rodent. AnecTOTEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-73301018637808247042013-03-07T21:58:06.190-05:002013-03-07T21:58:06.190-05:00Way to go Ed!Way to go Ed!Cutie003https://www.blogger.com/profile/09298173716590278098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-52661667490884502702013-03-07T21:54:05.898-05:002013-03-07T21:54:05.898-05:00"ToTo et Ed boivent du Chardonnay"
I wi..."ToTo et Ed boivent du Chardonnay"<br /><br />I wish!AnecTOTEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-41277197406254866052013-03-07T21:44:03.183-05:002013-03-07T21:44:03.183-05:00ToTo et Ed boivent du Chardonnay.ToTo et Ed boivent du Chardonnay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-87732286226764765802013-03-07T21:37:44.115-05:002013-03-07T21:37:44.115-05:00haha! and resident evil doesn't want to be lef...haha! and resident evil doesn't want to be left out! all right buddy, you're quite lame too. it's a very close race. happy now?studentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-14477146021194405592013-03-07T21:37:25.432-05:002013-03-07T21:37:25.432-05:00@ED,
You're the wisest of them all. Thank yo...@ED,<br /><br />You're the wisest of them all. Thank you for that post.AnecTOTEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-49860557252664227222013-03-07T21:33:04.092-05:002013-03-07T21:33:04.092-05:00@diogenes
"it means "That's incredi...@diogenes<br /><br />"it means "That's incredible that they would do that"<br /><br />exactly. i agree with you ed's thing has no credibility.studentnoreply@blogger.com