tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post5337201334117268785..comments2024-02-17T03:22:53.951-05:00Comments on No Dogs or Anglophones: Montreal Police Go Beyond Racial ProfilingEditorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05699783315783642466noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-64659631137627673662017-07-08T22:26:26.169-04:002017-07-08T22:26:26.169-04:00I've been persecuted by the Montreal Police fo...I've been persecuted by the Montreal Police for a long time and didn't realize it much until now. Everytime I needed the police or someone called the police against me it's always been 100% against me. 20 Hospitalizations and recently getting put in jail. They keep getting worst and I fear I will be in prison for a long time soon for something so trivial.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-88549612902913094752011-05-20T00:04:43.305-04:002011-05-20T00:04:43.305-04:00@Mississauga Guy
> All told, Harper is just lu...@Mississauga Guy<br /><br />> All told, Harper is just lucky there was no worthwhile opposition otherwise he would have been at best gotten another minority government<br /><br />Actually, what floors ME is that the GTA itself was responsible for DELIVERING Harper a majority... AFTER the Conservatives' two billion dollar boondoggle...<br /><br />You know, we spend a lot of time on this blog criticizing Quebecers for stupidly electing stupid politicians who embrace stupid philosophies, and who occasionally stand by some very stupid policies; and by and large I agree with quite a bit of that criticism because I think not enough of us are doing our homework or denouncing these slobs as well we should. <br /><br />At the same time, I'm sure it comes as no surprise to you that I disagree with the crass and boorish anglo- and franco-supremacists who clearly exist on a different plane of reality than do the rest of us in this city.<br /><br />What should surprise even you is that the expensive parties Harper decided to have right on your doorstep met with as little criticism and retribution as it did.<br /><br /><br />> and how about those three senate appointments, to touch on another subject?<br /><br />I wish you and me both that very same brand of job security.Apparatchiknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-42189167137665533312011-05-19T13:03:32.240-04:002011-05-19T13:03:32.240-04:00...to Apparatchik: Ahh, another philosophical soli......to Apparatchik: Ahh, another philosophical soliloquy. I put the blame for the G20 s--t right on Stephen Harper's door for having the damn thing in the biggest city in Canada, or any major city in Canada for that matter.<br /><br />The whole thing should have been in Huntsville like the first part was, or some other fancy outlying resort area. This G20 crap disrupted the whole city and cost at least $2 billion, one billion on that stupid fake lake. I work for a major bank and downtown personnel had to be relocated for the few days it took place. It was expensive and took a lot of planning to do. Very brainless planning on the part of the feds.<br /><br />While Chief Blair is certainly liable for some of the blame, the whole thing was inflicted on the Ontario and Toronto government with NO help from the feds. All told, Harper is just lucky there was no worthwhile opposition otherwise he would have been at best gotten another minority government (and how about those three senate appointments, to touch on another subject?).Mississauga Guynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-54875945609908157192011-05-19T12:41:51.536-04:002011-05-19T12:41:51.536-04:00@ Anon. at 10:52 PM,
"I suppose this is all ...@ Anon. at 10:52 PM,<br /><br />"I suppose this is all connected. Quebec's racist laws, mistreatment of animals, out of control corruption, violent and corrupt police officers, crumbling infrastructure, lack of proper health care, etc."<br /><br />Response: "Une VRAIE ville Nord américaine quoi!"<br /><br /><br />No other North American city has racist language laws like those in Quebec.<br /><br />Quebec has the weakest animal protection laws and is the puppy mill capital of North America.<br /><br />Montreal is one of the most corrupt cities in both Canada and the U.S.<br /><br />Quebec has the infrastructure of a third world country. The roads are in a terrible state compared to those of adjacent states and provinces. <br /><br />Quebec's health care is in the worst condition of any Canadian province. More than two million people in Quebec don't even have family doctors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-66692383892236238982011-05-18T22:52:08.833-04:002011-05-18T22:52:08.833-04:00I suppose this is all connected. Quebec's raci...I suppose this is all connected. Quebec's racist laws, mistreatment of animals, out of control corruption, violent and corrupt police officers, crumbling infrastructure, lack of proper health care, etc.<br /><br />Une VRAIE ville Nord américaine quoi!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-15547167965883226302011-05-18T22:47:51.566-04:002011-05-18T22:47:51.566-04:00I understand the notion and usefulness of heuristi...I understand the notion and usefulness of heuristics, “predictions”-like techniques that rely essentially on previously-observed behavior in an attempt to predict the likelihood of future threats and opportunities, and I appreciate how it could be applied in a field such as law enforcement. However, I also recognize the necessity to be eternally vigilant to ensure that our rights and freedoms are protected. I don’t know that Quebec in particular and Canada in general are anywhere near as great as we’d like to think we are in this area, nor as bad as some others maintain we are. A certain psychological rigor is necessary to do the job day in and day out. Despite the many constraints placed upon law enforcement, it remains that much in the way of our safety and (yes, freedom) is entrusted to them. <br /><br />And I believe those to whom much is given, much ought to be expected.<br /><br />I have seen firsthand members of the Montreal police force be kind, courteous, helpful, ambivalent, nonchalant, holier-than-thou, arrogant, heavy handed, and unnecessarily physically aggressive. Does that make them unique? Hardly. I’ve seen New York cops on both ends of the spectrum. I’ve seen L.A. cops do horrible things on videotape. (I’ve also watched COPS, but more out of interest for the unwitting commentary it provides on American culture).<br /><br />Do our police officers lean more to one side of the scale than the other depending on the racial demographic you’re from? I wouldn’t know; I haven’t got enough empirical evidence to advance what I feel is a reasonable heuristic, let alone an accepted benchmark of reasonability. There’s an obvious give and take between freedoms and security, and there are about as many places you could draw the line as you can find people to draw it. The Supreme Court itself seldom if ever has a unanimous view in any human rights-related case.<br /><br />To what "corruption index" do we measure ourselves? If we are indeed living in a fool's paradise, how does one factually and unemotionally go about unmasking a particularly tenacious layer of BS?<br /><br />Our police force might not be as likely to win an award as our public transit system recently did, but to state that our cops are necessarily greater thugs than those found elsewhere is pure hokum. Video footage showing even the peaceful protesters at the G-20 summit in Toronto being roughed up by police and at times sustaining bodily injuries while being arrested and carted away is reprehensible and not worthy of a nation calling itself civilized. I don’t at all condone the rioting and damage to property – cart THOSE hoodlums away; I DO deplore indiscriminately arresting people for the purpose of muzzling their discontent, in addition to using heavily disproportionate force to do it. There is no need to point out the absurdity of armed thugs—sanctioned by the state and who behave more like above-the-law commandos than responsible guarantors of safety—all in the name of “law enforcement”. <br /><br />Forget any references to careful or layered committee processes, or the sycophantically proffered crowing about stringent internal guidelines reviews. If the attitude is rotten at the top, what makes it any better at the bottom? <br /><br />Again, I haven't got the numbers to prove anything, but even despite these, precisely how does one measure "trigger happy"?<br /><br />Many reactions to this are therefore necessarily as personal (as are mine) as they are subjective, all while attempting to measure some ideopathic objectivity.<br /><br />I think back to Toronto and interpret the events that occurred there with my own bias. <br /><br />That even Bill Blair’s career did not come to a swift and unceremonious end following the numerous gaffes that occurred on his watch during the summit is either a scathing indictment of the people he works for or the public he serves. Or possibly both.Apparatchiknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-17694824239394402222011-05-18T15:55:47.694-04:002011-05-18T15:55:47.694-04:00Interestingly enough, I wouldn't be one target...Interestingly enough, I wouldn't be one targeted for racial profiling (unless anglophones are visually identifiable), but even as a clean-cut and upstanding citizen, *I* feel intimidated by Montreal police. I don't feel like they're there to protect and assist, more like they're uniformed vigilante gang members that have been deputized by the state.<br /><br />I find rather than have a dialog with people, they "bark" and order them (or push and shove, as with that elderly woman bystander who suffered a head injury being pushed into a mailbox recently!). I honestly feel uncomfortable approaching a Montreal police officer and asking for help (granted there are admittedly a few that are person-friendly, but unfortunately they do not make up the status quo).<br /><br />On the flip-side, when I visited New York City in recent times the NYPD officers were (to my great surprise!) approachable and very friendly. In fact at one point I was visibly lost, and one came up to me asked if he could help in any way. He was amicable, friendly and patiently gave me directions and wished me well. Ahh, and actually communicated in English!<br /><br />Which reminds me of a story from years ago. My father was a lawyer, he once had a case where a man minding his own business was questioned by police late at night, and when he couldn't speak French, they suddenly pushed him against their cruiser and beat him repeatably over the head with their flashlights...to the point of causing bleeding and severe head injury! The person was not a criminal, had done absolutely nothing wrong...he just profiled and could not could not communicate in French. Sure, this case goes back to the 70's but it shows what kind of thugs Montreal police can be and get away with. As you might imagine, the officers denied any wrong doing and their union protected them.<br /><br />I suppose this is all connected. Quebec's racist laws, mistreatment of animals, out of control corruption, violent and corrupt police officers, crumbling infrastructure, lack of proper health care, etc. Honestly, if you fit all the pieces together Quebec is just simply a third world corrupt republic that exists inside Canadian borders. It either needs to be forced to follow Canadian standards to not be allowed to exist in Canada at all.Apple IIGSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-26970858976207244202011-05-18T13:57:53.264-04:002011-05-18T13:57:53.264-04:00Whatever the case, random spot checks are unconsti...Whatever the case, random spot checks are unconstitutional. Whether its for gang colours nice cars, different socioeconomic profiles in a different neighborhood . There is no real justification in pulling over vehicles without any infractions committed. In Canada we really let our law enforcement and politicians just ignore the constitution. I wonder if the Montreal police feel it would be justified for police in Westmount to question Pur laine looking Quebecois to prevent Quebecois nationalist vandalism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-24868688914618491532011-05-18T13:17:14.086-04:002011-05-18T13:17:14.086-04:00If the Toronto police were to pull over a well-dre...If the Toronto police were to pull over a well-dressed black guy driving quietly through Rosedale in a BMW 735i, that would be racial profiling. If police stop a black guy wearing gangsta gear driving quietly through the Jungle (a maze-like area in north-central Toronto with subsidized housing and a large concentration of welfare-receiving/low-income blacks) in a BMW 735i, is that racial profiling, or just profiling? There's a line somewhere.Diogenesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-64416658740696262252011-05-18T03:02:58.981-04:002011-05-18T03:02:58.981-04:00Actually, I live in Peel Region. Between local mu...Actually, I live in Peel Region. Between local municipal and provincial government, at least in the Greater Toronto Area, are regional government administrations that handle certain services, mostly police, fire and ambulatory services. Peel Region consists the Cities of Mississauga, Brampton and East Caledon. York Region is immediately north of Toronto.<br /><br />Anyway, of the regional police, Peel has a poor reputation for harassment as well. I've been pulled over, but not harassed. Non-whites here have another opinion.<br /><br />I have a friend going back to high school who was severely manhandled by the Montreal police for not having paid a fine late for parking his bicycle on the grass in a park (nutso by-law!) The police somehow didn't update their records indicating he finally paid his fine, so they threw him bodily against, and then into a cruiser and whisked him away to pay again because he couldn't find his receipt for his previous payment. He was white and Jewish, by the way.<br /><br />While this tactic may be "legal", what good does it do to pit a community against the police? It creates war! Hate makes war. What do those constabulary nincompoops have to gain in all this? <br /><br />If I recall correctly, the Chief of Police in Belfast, Northern Ireland, was featured on TV for relieving the tensions between the police and its citizens, after decades of rioting. He changed police tactics to calm the communities instead of create war between themselves. Maybe this guy should be hired as a consultant to calm the communities in Montreal down.<br /><br />It also doesn't help when the Quebec government openly promotes and tolerates racism against its minorities, so a government that promotes racism in its society tends to be a trend setter. As I wrote recently about Quebec, stupid is what stupid does. I guess the police are corrupt because the whole system is corrupt as per the McLean's story and plenty that followed since.Mississauga Guynoreply@blogger.com