tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post4700727539715773211..comments2024-02-17T03:22:53.951-05:00Comments on No Dogs or Anglophones: When Government Teaches HateEditorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05699783315783642466noreply@blogger.comBlogger167125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-53262813298975813422012-09-05T03:25:35.623-04:002012-09-05T03:25:35.623-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-70055157428283071522012-09-04T23:09:59.159-04:002012-09-04T23:09:59.159-04:00 Well I am sure the english and french didnt hat... Well I am sure the english and french didnt hate each other everywhere. But I have heard from many francophones who told me that it was difficult to be served in their own language here in Montreal. You are not adressing that fact..its know that there were stores in downtown Montreal in which people only spoke english. In my opinion all stores and businesses should have been bilingual and they clearly were not. Many anglophones did not even bother learning french expecting the french to speak english to them. I still see it now..if there are more francophones than anglos in a group then invariably everyone starts speaking english..not always but the majority of the time. <br /><br /> The problem with the people on this blog is that you are unwilling to accept ANY of the blame for the tensions between the french and the english. If you all think thats its ONLY the french who are to blame then good luck with living in harmony here. I am somewhat of an outsider having arrived here 10 years ago from the west and I see both sides are the problem. There is a group of radical francophones who are out of touch with reality and demonize the english all they can..but there is also a signficant number of anglophones who spew hatred about the french also and it seems that many frequent this blog. If you cant accept any part of the blame for the problems that exist in Quebec then you continue to be part of the problem.. complicatednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-61979272583417659272012-09-04T19:51:59.148-04:002012-09-04T19:51:59.148-04:00You sound way to reasonable for the hardline pq...You sound way to reasonable for the hardline pq'ers, that roughly thirty percent who always vote pq and want more language laws. And that is somewhat the point of a Montreal, anglo\allo or partition party. We need somebody on the other side who will be equally loud in defending us, our rights and the constitution. <br /><br />I have Italian, Irish and french heritage.. anybody telling me I don't have a right to be here or speak whatever language I like, is in for a fight. It's not fair, right or just in any way. Especially in a modern society. MMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-46211612933541160632012-09-04T19:51:53.543-04:002012-09-04T19:51:53.543-04:00BTW, on the one hand you imply I'm not telling...BTW, on the one hand you imply I'm not telling the truth, and on the other, you say that you would have put the phone down on me (I'm assuming, correct me if I'm wrong here) without even saying anything. So what you are saying is that I'm basically telling the truth, that there are people even ruder than that woman here?Rinanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-5582741676292669472012-09-04T19:49:42.413-04:002012-09-04T19:49:42.413-04:00http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/...http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/video/video-what-does-the-quebec-election-mean-for-investors/article4517514/?from=4518488<br /><br />Watch that...<br /><br />WAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-40012165848649743932012-09-04T19:45:30.882-04:002012-09-04T19:45:30.882-04:00S.R., no, the thesis comment wasn't to show ho...S.R., no, the thesis comment wasn't to show how intelligent I am, but to make the point that I didn't have any time to learn any French for the first six months after we arrived here. Actually I wasn't working, but my husband had a work permit, so I got one too - we didn't have permanent residence :-) The point is that we didn't IMMIGRATE, the decision to come here was made very quickly after he was offered a job, with no time to prepare and learn French. But I suppose I thought you were intelligent enough to understand what I meant. Sorry about that.Rinanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-48334488178906805292012-09-04T19:45:08.334-04:002012-09-04T19:45:08.334-04:00Wow Complicated, you've really been tippling o...Wow Complicated, you've really been tippling on the Kool-Aid haven't you? Don't you think that in 1930's Nazi Germany there were Jews who said "If we don't annoy them, they're stop harassing us and leave us alone."? The problem is always the same: they see they're getting their way and decide to keep demanding more and more. If there's no line in the sand, pretty soon YOU don't have any sand. People arguing for draconian limits on freedom of speech are either thugs or what Soviets used to refer to as "useful idiots". Choose the group where you feel most at home.Diogenesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-62634470163910597082012-09-04T19:33:55.937-04:002012-09-04T19:33:55.937-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-68243797450926328462012-09-04T19:10:28.395-04:002012-09-04T19:10:28.395-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-26070051368774972382012-09-04T19:06:36.104-04:002012-09-04T19:06:36.104-04:00FROM ED BROWN
Yannick, I remember before the 76 el...FROM ED BROWN<br />Yannick, I remember before the 76 election a young protester freind of mine said, " Vous Angais, vous allez voir." After the election he was asking what happened to my job. I tried to explain why the companies moved but he was convinced somehow it was the fault of the English that his job was gone.<br />The same way Hitler blamed it on the Jews. The PQ won because Levesque rallied them and convinced them they were being robbed. The numbers did the rest.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-75154933277993378832012-09-04T19:02:29.091-04:002012-09-04T19:02:29.091-04:00No, he is not stubborn: he is just emotionally irr...No, he is not stubborn: he is just emotionally irresponsible.<br /><br />WAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-84862784636976730182012-09-04T19:00:19.484-04:002012-09-04T19:00:19.484-04:00'It would have gone a long ways towards reduci...'It would have gone a long ways towards reducing the resentment that built up over the years'<br /><br />This is called brainwashing, stirring up somebody's emotions to fulfill your own purposes. Negative emotions anyway bar you from being happy. You have to be responsible for your negative emotions.<br /><br />'There has always been a certain arrogance within the english community in refusing to speak in french'<br /><br />Again: myth spread by frustrated dying off separatists.<br /><br />'It seems anglophones often expect the francophones to address them in english..I still see that all the time'<br /><br />Again: projection of your own insecurity. Blame yourself, not the Anglos if you cannot deal with your emotions.<br /><br />WAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-56212478999593778172012-09-04T18:58:45.296-04:002012-09-04T18:58:45.296-04:00Complicated, you are legitimizing revenge.Complicated, you are legitimizing revenge.TSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-22050324539115829632012-09-04T18:57:58.397-04:002012-09-04T18:57:58.397-04:00FROM ED BROWN
It's no use COMPLICATED is as ha...FROM ED BROWN<br />It's no use COMPLICATED is as hard headed as a PQ. Trying to tell us there were no government services available from A totally French speaking government Quebec governments have been on French since the days of Edward Taschereau.<br />It's like they say in Newfoundland:- " Them that know does, them that doesn't tries to teach. EdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-5711072262924289722012-09-04T18:54:28.010-04:002012-09-04T18:54:28.010-04:00'he anglos who were here in power at the time ...'he anglos who were here in power at the time have to take some responsibility for being insensitive to the dominant francophone culture..'<br /><br />The fact that you use such a powerful adjective as DOMINANT troubles me a lot. In Europe, we stopped using that word in the '50, after the disaster caused by Hitler. By saying dominant, you presume a certain superiority of Francophones towards the others.<br />You should study some history before using words whose meaning you completely ignore...<br /><br />WAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-28339516752309483302012-09-04T18:48:19.366-04:002012-09-04T18:48:19.366-04:00'My point is dont expect francophones to forge...'My point is dont expect francophones to forget easily how poorly they were treated not that long ago..especially when they still hear english all over the place in the biggest city in the province.."<br /><br />No, complicated, it's their crappy attitude causing them so many problems, in the past, in the present and in the future. Nothing to do with English: they must blame themselves for their own problems. The Latins used to say "imputet sibi" (=let it be imputed to himself as the consequence of his own act—let him blame himself). Too easy to sling mud at the Anglos to erase your responsibility...<br /><br />WAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-39670357432737577712012-09-04T18:47:53.317-04:002012-09-04T18:47:53.317-04:00FROM ED BROWN
COMPLICATED
I don't know what Fr...FROM ED BROWN<br />COMPLICATED<br />I don't know what Francophones you talked to but I can tell you it's bullshit. In the 50's and 60"s we were all getting along. There was no bad feelings. We partied, worked and laughed together using both languages. The ENGLISH NEVER HATED THE FRENCH. Where did yuou get such an idea. This is PQ ideology who have people believing it. Next time talk to people who were actually there in the sixties and not PQers.<br />We lived on a street where we walked in and out of each others houses like we were all one family.<br />This is reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-50055313974646585702012-09-04T18:44:43.840-04:002012-09-04T18:44:43.840-04:00 Except there are fewer anglophones here now tha... Except there are fewer anglophones here now than before. I dont doubt the anglophones built a lot of these institutions although I am sure that french labour was used in the process. But again you cant deny that the minority anglo population had a priviliged status here in Montreal before the 1970s. When you cant even go to a store and get served in your language when you are in the majoirty then thats just not right..same goes with work..these are facts..countless francophones have told me this. There werent even some government services available in french..weather forecasts were only in english until the early 70s. <br /><br /> Why the heck couldnt the anglos back then just be a little more sensitive to the majority francophone population? It would have gone a long ways towards reducing the resentment that built up over the years. There has always been a certain arrogance within the english community in refusing to speak in french..it seems anglophones often expect the francophones to address them in english..I still see that all the time. The anglos here need to accept some of the blame for the mess we are in and I just dont see it. complicatednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-464429915861169372012-09-04T18:37:56.259-04:002012-09-04T18:37:56.259-04:00Ed is right - anglos didn't ruin Quebec = the ...Ed is right - anglos didn't ruin Quebec = the unions have ruined Quebec and as I've said before, you pay just about the same pay to house painters as you do to doctor's and nurses and wonder why the children don't stay in school, get trained as nurses through CGEP and move to Ontario where they earn $10,000 more per annum than they would if they stayed in Quebec. The population of Quebec have to learn to stop blaming Anglophones for every wrong thing in this province and in the country. I can't continue to bear the blame for what my parents did or didn't do in 1960 for heaven's sake - they have the power to change things now and if they're bilingual they have a million opportunities for great jobs if they're properly trained. Cutie003https://www.blogger.com/profile/09298173716590278098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-11102138043904657862012-09-04T18:36:42.538-04:002012-09-04T18:36:42.538-04:00FROM ED BROWN
COMPLICATED is as hard headed as the...FROM ED BROWN<br />COMPLICATED is as hard headed as the PQ. There is nothing wrong with people speaking their own language. We were born with it and are proud of it because it serves us best.<br />The reason English have schools and hospitals is because we built them. We worked hard and got wealthy so that today our 20% pays 40% of the taxes. Don't throw these institutions up in my face. I helped to build them. My grandfather sold school bonds in Verdun to help us get a school.Myself and my freinds worked volunteer in our spare time to build playgrounds and today the French resent us using them And we built these places and when the French took them over we stepped aside and let them enjoy what we had created. Even the Salvation Army today has been taken over by the French. Don't tell me we're lucky. What we've got didn't happen by luck. We've got them because they are ours. Just like any house you built belongs to you, these institutions are ours because we built them with bloody hard labour.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-44721588748831832022012-09-04T18:35:15.456-04:002012-09-04T18:35:15.456-04:00 I have no arguments about the disastrous economi... I have no arguments about the disastrous economic effects of the PQ. Its clear that they cost this city dearly in jobs and prestige..countless head offices left for Toronto..I know that. But the anglos who were here in power at the time have to take some responsibility for being insensitive to the dominant francophone culture..to the point that the francophones revolted and unfortunately went too far to the other extreme. <br /><br /> If the anglos back then were more accomodating and sensitive to francophones and tried to speak the language more I think we could have avoided all the uprising and nastiness with regards to the whole seperation movement.complicatednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-34022233418376793622012-09-04T18:20:19.806-04:002012-09-04T18:20:19.806-04:00FROM ED BROWN
Let me inform COMPLICATED about Queb...FROM ED BROWN<br />Let me inform COMPLICATED about Quebec. Before teh PQ and Rene Levesque Montreal was the industrial capital of North America. We had the head office of every important company or utility and transport right here. The jobs were so abundant that wherever I went to deliver I was asked do you want to come work for us? The harbour was full from April to November. All 102 berths were full and there were ships waiting at anchor in the river to get in and load and unload. The forwarding alone of goods from Europe and other areas to be sent by rail to parts of North America gave 100 thousand jobs here in Quebec. Seps will saqy it's because of the seaway. The seaway had been there since the<br /> 50"s but ships found it quicker to unload in Montreal and get back up the river. But the French translation demanded by the P.Q. and the power they gave the unions added up to disaster. <br />Unions wanted 16 men to unload a ship even if with containers only four were needed. Twelve sat arouns and got paid high union wages. We lost 50 thousand high paying jobs of people who had no choice but to move to keep their job. <br />We lost the taxes these companies and utilities paid. The PQ don't even know that anything was wrong. They actually want to do it again. EdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-86320460924309741792012-09-04T18:18:03.143-04:002012-09-04T18:18:03.143-04:00 Obviously Quebec and Montreal have been in econo... Obviously Quebec and Montreal have been in economic decline for decades..its quite sad really. Because this city should be on par with Toronto but because of politics and mismanagement it keeps shooting itself in the foot. <br /><br /> But when I talk to francophones about how things were in the 1960s for them I understand why they revolted so much. There were many anglos living here in Quebec who didnt speak a word of french..stores who wouldnt serve customers in french..francophones who had to speak english at work or else..immigrants who arrived and only learned english and so on. Yet the francophones were the clear majority in the province..wouldnt you be somewhat ticked off if this happened to you. Imagine living in Ontario as an anglophone with a 20 percent francophone group who controlled everything. I blame the old anglo attitude back then for triggering such anger from the francophone community towards anglophones which still carries on today. And I still hear stories from francophones who cant get served in french right here in Quebec. <br /><br /> The reality is that we live in a province which is majority francophone and maybe we need to listen a bit more. I was surprised how many english institutions there are in a city where only 20 percent of the population is english..there are two english universities..english schools..english hospitals..english radio tv newspapers..english cegeps..and so on. The childrens hospital is more english than french for gods sake...<br /><br />My point is dont expect francophones to forget easily how poorly they were treated not that long ago..especially when they still hear english all over the place in the biggest city in the province..complicatednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-55932035318690009122012-09-04T18:02:47.914-04:002012-09-04T18:02:47.914-04:00 But this hate mongering from the english side is... But this hate mongering from the english side is not going to help anyone. This video is really a non issue..some drunk mouthing off and we equate that person to all francophones..come on. As I said there are equal assholes on the english side. <br /><br /> Good luck with the partition idea..it aint gonna happen without a civil war. Do you really think francophones would accept to lose Montreal the biggest city in the province?? The reality is that seperation is unlikely unless the rest of Canada kicks Quebec out. This vote for the PQ is a protest against corruption with the Liberals. But what it does mean is more uncertainty..more restrictions on anglophones..lower property values..higher unemployment..which will be a real pain for many of us. <br /><br /> What I dont get is why anglos are reacting now..I saw this coming a year or so ago with the Liberals trailing in the polls massively. It was clear they wouldnt be reelected..anglos could have left last year..now they are all going to freak out..not very smart imo..<br /><br /> Icomplicatednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-78973003438204931512012-09-04T17:59:18.986-04:002012-09-04T17:59:18.986-04:00Cool I'll be here! SR won't he'll be ...Cool I'll be here! SR won't he'll be out partying because he won Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16509512407555476761noreply@blogger.com