tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post4685614430213430688..comments2024-02-17T03:22:53.951-05:00Comments on No Dogs or Anglophones: French versus English - Volume 31Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05699783315783642466noreply@blogger.comBlogger82125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-72637447083817167642011-08-06T22:24:02.672-04:002011-08-06T22:24:02.672-04:00"Grow up, and turn the page, despite what the..."Grow up, and turn the page, despite what the zealot claim, language is not what we are."<br /><br />Alors monsieur pourri,qu'attendez-vous pour apprendre le français?Hitler serait fier de vous sans aucun doute.En passant,Zellers a un lot de chemises brunes (XXL) a demi prix,profitez-en!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-74150905415551327082011-07-31T14:42:39.726-04:002011-07-31T14:42:39.726-04:00Wow this one phrase shows how retarded the french ...Wow this one phrase shows how retarded the french zealots are:<br />"Laquelle des deux langues risque d'être assimilée par l'autre?"<br /><br />Any language evolves i.e. gets assimilated into something else, the zealots here still chase "anglicisme" from the french language, what awaste of energy, it's like trying to keep latin alive, you cannot freeze a language in time and legislate your zealotry. Grow up, and turn the page, despite what the zealot claim, language is not what we are.Qq chose de pourrinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-9436416270028988652011-07-26T08:13:10.922-04:002011-07-26T08:13:10.922-04:00"Westy le clown frappe encore.Pas encore au l..."Westy le clown frappe encore.Pas encore au lit a votre âge?Allez hop au lit pépé!Il est ++ de 23h"<br /><br />Whatever. Nobody gives a fig about your posts.<br /><br />WESTALLOPHONE++Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-14977250604781772222011-07-26T02:22:25.826-04:002011-07-26T02:22:25.826-04:00Hi Editor,
One of your favourite Canadian politic...Hi Editor,<br /><br />One of your favourite Canadian politician is Jack Layton, the leader of the NDP. Today we learned the unhappy news that Jack contracted new cancer and therefore needed to step aside from politics for a while. Watching the press conference, he did not look good. Not at all. <br /><br />While I will not vote for the NDP if the life of the province depends on it, I think we need to extend our sympathy to Jack and his family and wish him a speedy and complete recovery.<br /><br />The good thing about that press conference is that the person Jack recommends to sit on his behalf is not Thomas Mulcair, but rather Nycole Turmel from Hull-Aylmer. Anybody know who she is?<br /><br />So Editor, I am looking forward for your comment on this matter, when you return.Troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09960771543572680283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-9555967485146945652011-07-25T23:02:45.975-04:002011-07-25T23:02:45.975-04:00Westy le clown frappe encore.Pas encore au lit a v...Westy le clown frappe encore.Pas encore au lit a votre âge?Allez hop au lit pépé!Il est ++ de 23h.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-47572463863865026662011-07-25T21:15:10.669-04:002011-07-25T21:15:10.669-04:00"Il y a quelques années je travaillais dans u..."Il y a quelques années je travaillais dans un bureau d'une compagnie très connu à Montréal. J'avais deux collègues franco-ontariens, lorsque l'on s'adressait à eux en français, ils nous répondaient en français. Mais lorsqu'ils se parlaient entre eux, c'était toujours en anglais. Ce dont ils discutaient en anglais, c’était sur le travail et la difficulté à comprendre l’obstination des québécois gauchistes et réactionnaire à l'anglais" --> 'Study English', that's what they are saying.<br /><br />"(C’était du temps ou un propriétaire d'un restaurant à Montréal était poursuivit par l'Office de la langue française, parce qu'il refusait de traduire ses menus en français selon les modalités de la loi de Robert Bourassa, même si eux l'attribuaient à la loi 101 du PQ"--> No need for a translation. Study English and you will be able to read the menu.<br /><br />"Tout cela pour dire Mme la ministre que les frontières imposées par les anglais au cours de ces 2 dernier siècles n’ont pas seulement fait sombrer dans l'oubli et l'indifférence les différentes communautés franco-machin-jamais-vraiment-canadian, qui sont toutes en mode survies, elles mettent seulement la table à l'immersion identitaire avant l'immersion linguistique"--> Study English and you will knock down barriers.<br /><br />"Cela dit, on comprend bien votre désespoir (ou plus certainement votre ineptie), vous n’êtes qu’une victime comme toutes les membres des cultures qui ont précédés les loyalistes britanniques qui se font appelés canadian" --> Study English and stop whining like a sissy.<br /><br />WESTALLOPHONE++Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-45451743452765608202011-07-25T13:15:59.087-04:002011-07-25T13:15:59.087-04:00"Mais nous ne sommes pas les seuls victimes d..."Mais nous ne sommes pas les seuls victimes de l’usurpation de notre identité, il y a bien les Coptes, minorité ostracisée d’Égypte, descendants des bâtisseurs des pyramides et leurs envahisseurs arabes qui eux se font appelé Égyptiens."<br /><br />Please, oh please, do not compare yourselves to the ancient Egyptians. The ancient Egyptians in our particular scenario would be the natives and certainly not the founders of New France. You, my friend, are a descendant of an invading culture, just like we are.<br /><br />I do agree however that it is down right terrible that many Franco-Ontarians, or any Franco-Canadians for that matter, seem to willingly brush the language of their ancestors asside so easily.Jason the Montreal Anglonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-39471184561847716492011-07-25T12:03:03.548-04:002011-07-25T12:03:03.548-04:00Yikes ! I turn off my computer for a few days and ...Yikes ! I turn off my computer for a few days and you folks are at it again.<br /><br />@ Adski's re your further attempts to enlighten us all on your Code of Douchebag Behaviour, thank you for making my point. It seems you have an unwritten Code in your head which you believe is widely understood by your fellow citizens, even though mental telepathy skills are not commomly found in our species. But no doubt you are encouraged because some other commentators appear to agree with your Code. I suggest caution because those who agree with you may be more motivated by the fact that this case involves a francophone douchebag. (Say, what is a douchebag, anyways ? You and that fella Anonymous, or is it anonymous, keep using these quaint insults). In fact, I think it would be more correct to call it Adski's Unwritten Code of Franco-Douchebag Behavior.<br /><br />I am relieved that you understand your Code can never be imposed on our fellow citizens. But somehow that doesn't stop you and some of the other bitter people like anonymous (and Anonymous) from joining in the chorus every time you see a transgression of your Code. Please know this : your closest parallel in the blogosphere are the anglophobic francophones at Vigile.net and the Societe St Jean Baptiste (and perhaps this angry young man Press 9 ?) who preach an Unwritten Code of ANGLO-Douchebag Behaviour. They don't like hearing english spoken, or sung, or written anywhere near them and will complain about it whether or not they have the right to do so. You are all peas from the same pod as far as I am concerned. A pox on all your houses. None of you are capable of, or interested in, overcoming the two solitudes. And when someone calls you out on your obvious ethnic prejudices you become indignant as if you are the good guys! I guess for some folks the unexamined life IS worth living.<br /><br />But the rest of us in Quebec are going forward, in both languages, and we are leaving the antique arguments and the attitudes of the francophobes and the anglophobes behind. I don't speak French because some silly bureaucrat in Quebec City wants me to. I do it because I am a free man and I choose to - out of first, respect for my franco-Quebecois colleauges and secondly, out of economic self interest. I want to do business with them. <br /><br />I am not a mind reader but I am willing to bet a large poutine that the words MUTUAL RESPECT can't be found in Adski's Unwritten Code of Franco-Douchebag Behaviour. More's the pity. Where is Aretha when we need her ? <br /><br />@ Anonymous re your 47 years in Quebec. Sure, you are entitled to be interested in what is happening in Quebec. But it is not your "business" to slang the behaviour of Quebecers from afar and opine on how they should improve themselves. You are not a real stakeholder. Should OC Transport take the comments of a french langauge Quebec blog seriously if they start preaching to OC about how to better serve their customers en francais?<br /><br />And re your question about interprovincial migration, note that a major reason many anglos left Quebec over a period of decades is that they were able to. Their knowledge of English and generally higher education levels gave them mobility in an economy that was expanding in the rest of Canada while Quebec's was in relative decline. (even today, Quebec has 23 % of the population but contributes only 18+ % of the Gross National Product) Many unilingual francophones would have left too but they were trapped in Quebec. Now, 3 + decades later, a generation of newly bilingual francophones are leaving Quebec for economic opportunities in the ROC and beyond. Conversely, anonymous, perhaps if you had spoken and read French well, you would not have had to leave Quebec and your relatives to fend for themselves. But - hey, ain't the internet great ! when we face a tricky Behaviour question involving the use of French or English we can always check out the No Dogs blog for some free advice. But on the other hand, you know what they say about free advice...Sandy McTirenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-76110051459592835182011-07-25T11:02:07.194-04:002011-07-25T11:02:07.194-04:00Et l'excellente réponse de Rififis (qui tradu...Et l'excellente réponse de Rififis (qui traduit parfaitement ma pensée):<br /><br />Il y a quelques années je travaillais dans un bureau d'une compagnie très connu à Montréal. J'avais deux collègues franco-ontariens, lorsque l'on s'adressait à eux en français, ils nous répondaient en français. Mais lorsqu'ils se parlaient entre eux, c'était toujours en anglais. Ce dont ils discutaient en anglais, c’était sur le travail et la difficulté à comprendre l’obstination des québécois gauchistes et réactionnaire à l'anglais <br /><br />(C’était du temps ou un propriétaire d'un restaurant à Montréal était poursuivit par l'Office de la langue française, parce qu'il refusait de traduire ses menus en français selon les modalités de la loi de Robert Bourassa, même si eux l'attribuaient à la loi 101 du PQ.<br /><br />Tout cela pour dire Mme la ministre que les frontières imposées par les anglais au cours de ces 2 dernier siècles n’ont pas seulement fait sombrer dans l'oubli et l'indifférence les différentes communautés franco-machin-jamais-vraiment-canadian, qui sont toutes en mode survies, elles mettent seulement la table à l'immersion identitaire avant l'immersion linguistique. <br /><br />N'oubliez pas Mme la ministre déléguée francophone de service que sans le poids démographique de la population du Québec et la volonté du Canada de se défendre l’effacer, vous n'auriez même pas d'emploi.<br /><br />Cela dit, on comprend bien votre désespoir (ou plus certainement votre ineptie), vous n’êtes qu’une victime comme toutes les membres des cultures qui ont précédés les loyalistes britanniques qui se font appelés canadian.<br /><br />Mais nous ne sommes pas les seuls victimes de l’usurpation de notre identité, il y a bien les Coptes, minorité ostracisée d’Égypte, descendants des bâtisseurs des pyramides et leurs envahisseurs arabes qui eux se font appelé Égyptiens.Press 9noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-63875364135223700792011-07-25T11:01:40.053-04:002011-07-25T11:01:40.053-04:00"...why have hundreds of thousands of them (A..."...why have hundreds of thousands of them (Anglos) left the province during the past several decades?"<br /><br />"Like you said : "Get over it"." <br /><br />There is a key difference here. The exodus of Anglos from Quebec is still happening now, unlike the past injustices against Francophones which may have occurred 50, 100 or 250 years ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-88312289795176470762011-07-25T09:39:33.491-04:002011-07-25T09:39:33.491-04:00"Press 9, who despises American mindset,a lot..."Press 9, who despises American mindset,a lot of Anglo-Canadians and some Anglo-Quebeckers.<br /><br />Merci,thank you,gracia!"<br /><br />Despises the American mindset yet blatantly supports the very American mindset of suing a company for any old reason, no matter how trivial it may be.<br /><br />Heres an interesting article that appeared in Le Devoir recently. Enjoy!<br /><br />http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/canada/327655/franco-ontariens-notre-avenir-n-est-pas-menace-m-duceppeJason the Montreal Anglonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-32371217865744967212011-07-24T16:24:34.567-04:002011-07-24T16:24:34.567-04:00@Adski et ses clônes francophobes
Méprisant et ir...@Adski et ses clônes francophobes<br /><br />Méprisant et irrespectueux sont les qualificatifs pour l'ensemble de votre oeuvre,pas pour le cas de Thibodeau précisément.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-77550626905056355512011-07-24T13:17:29.877-04:002011-07-24T13:17:29.877-04:00Yes, a jerk like Thibodeau is "perfectly with...Yes, a jerk like Thibodeau is "perfectly within his rights", and someone who calls him a douche is "méprisant et irrespectueux". Quebec is indeed a parallel universe.<br /><br />Yes again, if all Canadians were like Sandy McTire, Quebec could breathe a sigh of relief. Although I doubt that would change their behavior too much. I think they would just start asking for yet more. The demand-concession cycle can so easily become endless.<br /><br />Yes the third time for immigration. I know, ideally you'd like all the immigrants to suspend their values (and common sense) and drink from the bill101/OLA kool-aid. Alas, you're not going to get that. Tough luck.adskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-14306923936426669932011-07-24T10:33:51.621-04:002011-07-24T10:33:51.621-04:00"...why have hundreds of thousands of them le..."...why have hundreds of thousands of them left the province during the past several decades?"<br /><br />Like you said : "Get over it".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-19448866145799826672011-07-23T23:16:30.133-04:002011-07-23T23:16:30.133-04:00adski dit:
"although you seem to be unfamili...adski dit:<br /><br />"although you seem to be unfamiliar with the unwritten code of proper human interactions..."<br /><br />L'image qui me vient a l'esprit est un paraplégique essayant de nous donner des leçons de dance...Totalement Hallucinant!Press 9noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-25920170487831353642011-07-23T18:43:53.246-04:002011-07-23T18:43:53.246-04:00Saviez-vous adski que selon nos lois sur l'imm...Saviez-vous adski que selon nos lois sur l'immigration,nous devons accepter de laisser entrer au Québec des individus tel que vous?Sachant pertinemment qu'ils nous chieront dessus dès leur demande acceptée.Vous avez dit comportements de douchebags?<br /><br />Soit dit en passant, si tous les anglos du Québec avaient un comportement comme celui de Sandy,il n'y aurait pas beaucoup de plaintes chez Air Canada et je serais le premier a vouloir assouplir la loi 101.Ce sont les adski de votre espèce qui nous motivent a agir de la sorte et détester le type d'anglo (d'adoption) que vous êtes.C'est-a-dire,méprisant et irrespectueux.Press 9noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-35482505833589330492011-07-23T17:27:56.416-04:002011-07-23T17:27:56.416-04:00"you don't seem to understand how our leg..."you don't seem to understand how our legal system works. There is only one set of rules and everybody has to conform to those rules, including Air Canada. There is no unwritten Code of Absurd Behaviour that trumps federal and provincial laws."<br /><br />Well, Sandy, as I said, I do agree with you that Thibodeau was "within his rights" in terms of linguistic rules imposed on Air Canada by the federal government. So I know how works "our" legal system (read: the system that was imposed on the ROC in an attempt by Ottawa to appease Quebec). What I'm saying to you is this: even though douchebag behavior might not be against the law (although in that instance it might have violated the flight code), it is nonetheless douchebag behavior.<br /><br />And yes, there is no unwritten Code of Absurd Behaviour, but there is an unwritten code of absurd behavior (small letters). It is an unoffical code by which we judge, regardless of what is legal what isn't, whether someone behaves like a douche or behaves appropriately. You can call it ethics, manners, moral code, whatever. So, if you start shit on an air plane over a can of 7up served to you by a stewardess in English, I do not care in the slightest what Air Canada is supposed or not supposed to do. And even if I agree that they should have been able to serve the drink in French, that still doesn't change the fact that Thibodeau acted like a douche.<br /><br />I cannot explain this any clearer than this. You should see my point right now, although you seem to be unfamiliar with the unwritten code of proper human interactions which frowns upon being a douche, and you seem to prefer to follow laws like bill 101 as a guide (which, contrary to the code of ethics, encourage douchbag behavior like informing on your fellow citizens). So maybe we shouldn't expect much from you.adskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-16233436102349709942011-07-23T17:15:20.161-04:002011-07-23T17:15:20.161-04:00"(oh, did I mention the people in Rimouski sp..."(oh, did I mention the people in Rimouski spoke and understand English perfectly?"<br /><br />Hein ???<br /><br />Alors c'est que vous avez une attitude vraiment désagréable et que j'aurais probablement agi comme eux.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-75053260267252753402011-07-23T14:09:25.148-04:002011-07-23T14:09:25.148-04:00"Press 9, who despises Americans, Anglo-Canad..."Press 9, who despises Americans, Anglo-Canadians and especially Anglo-Quebeckers."<br /><br />Correction:<br /><br />Press 9, who despises American mindset,a lot of Anglo-Canadians and some Anglo-Quebeckers.<br /><br />Merci,thank you,gracia!Press 9noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-20120545154256102362011-07-23T13:44:58.817-04:002011-07-23T13:44:58.817-04:00@ Anonymous aka Press 9:
"why have hundreds ...@ Anonymous aka Press 9:<br /><br />"why have hundreds of thousands of them left the province during the past several decades?"<br /><br />"Parcequ'ils ne voulaient pas vivre en français.<br />D'autres questions aussi faciles?"<br /><br />Many Anglos who left Quebec were fluently bilingual. They moved to greener pastures because they faced discrimination and harassment in the workforce and elsewhere in Quebec. It didn't matter if they spoke French.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-26957708266349259922011-07-23T13:37:20.520-04:002011-07-23T13:37:20.520-04:00Press 9 said:
"Je suis un pure-laine et Sand...Press 9 said:<br /><br />"Je suis un pure-laine et Sandy est le genre de personne qui a su s'adapter a son environnement francophone sans perdre sa langue maternelle.Je la trouve fort sympathique et ouverte sur la différence..."<br /><br />Congratulations Sandy! You have received compliments and approval from our resident separatist troll, Press 9, who despises Americans, Anglo-Canadians and especially Anglo-Quebeckers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-19109701206165855952011-07-23T13:08:51.102-04:002011-07-23T13:08:51.102-04:00@West phallo drone
"I will live in mine.&quo...@West phallo drone<br /><br />"I will live in mine."<br /><br />Aucun problème alors.Bonne chance!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-11559964019193376962011-07-23T12:42:51.419-04:002011-07-23T12:42:51.419-04:00NOTE TO READERS:
Blogger has made a software updat...NOTE TO READERS:<br />Blogger has made a software update which is not completely bug-free. As you may have noticed, some comments have been lost, only to return later and some are going into the SPAM folder.<br />Please understand that while I'm on vacation I've removed comment moderation and your entry should appear immediately. <br />If not send me an email which I am monitoring closely via push mail.<br />As for the comments submitted I'm reading all of them but infrequently as I'm trying to take a break.<br />Happy vacation !Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05699783315783642466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-90445316045256090302011-07-23T12:31:31.478-04:002011-07-23T12:31:31.478-04:00"Parcequ'ils ne voulaient pas vivre en fr..."Parcequ'ils ne voulaient pas vivre en français.<br />D'autres questions aussi faciles?"<br /><br />Never ever.<br />You will live in your language (or sort of language), I will live in mine.<br /><br />WESTALLOPHONE++Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-52222008701827857752011-07-23T11:57:02.926-04:002011-07-23T11:57:02.926-04:00"why have hundreds of thousands of them left ..."why have hundreds of thousands of them left the province during the past several decades?"<br /><br />Parcequ'ils ne voulaient pas vivre en français.<br />D'autres questions aussi faciles?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com