tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post3328674105547609774..comments2024-02-17T03:22:53.951-05:00Comments on No Dogs or Anglophones: French vs. English Volume 10Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05699783315783642466noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-63724653154777674912010-04-29T12:32:02.322-04:002010-04-29T12:32:02.322-04:00My God,,,will Quebec separate already,,do you not ...My God,,,will Quebec separate already,,do you not get tired of this bullshit ? ! ? ! I am, go,, the sooner the better. I'm curious to hear what you will piss, moan and whine about then, although you have a lifetime of experience playing the victim,<br />I doubt you can change...:-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-15201587171850310562010-04-19T17:02:21.713-04:002010-04-19T17:02:21.713-04:00"Quebec is a throwback to 19th century coloni..."Quebec is a throwback to 19th century colonialism and the racism inherent in a system that viewed its own cultural values as superior to those with whom it came into contact."<br /><br />Quebec nationalism is a throwback to 19th century colonialism. The common thread here is to use whatever powers you have to subjugate the "others". To dominate. To rule. To control. The only difference between now and then is that they can't use force these days, so they resort to lies, distortion of facts, and whatever political power they have thanks to the federal framework that gives a lot of autonomy to each province.<br /><br />“if majority is to be determined by the narrow-minded regionalism that Quebecers favour”<br /><br />Why can they use 3 million farmers in the regions to make their case for French majority, and we can't use 350 million English speakers from Quebec, Canada and the US to make a case for English majority?<br /><br />Because.<br /><br />Why can't we look at Montreal only in deciding what the majority wants, but have to keep taking into account the farmers from the regions (who we have nothing to do with)?<br /><br />Because.<br /><br />Why are the Anglos "colonialists meprisants" but the Francos aren't?<br /><br />Because.<br /><br />Why should the province of Quebec be the <i>only</i> point of reference, but Montreal and the rest of Canada or North America can’t? <br /><br />Because.<br /><br />“It means something ? Democracy, the majority ?”<br /><br />A “majority” this minute, a “threatened minority” the next. Whatever is convenient to make a case in a given moment.<br /><br />And you are no majority. A real majority does not need language laws. It does not need a language police. It does not need to outlaw signs in other languages. It does not need to force immigrants into its schools, for they will choose these schools themselves.<br /><br />And even if you were a real majority, you still wouldn’t be able to tell people which language to speak. That is decided on per need basis, not by some ridiculous laws.adskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196014962059056067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-78783528731985127532010-04-16T07:07:20.144-04:002010-04-16T07:07:20.144-04:00"So if I see that you understand why we want ..."So if I see that you understand why we want our own country "<br /><br />Like I said, if this sort of regionalism is to be applied then Montrealers have an equal right to decide their political future by referendum. They have voted NO twice. One more vote to tie them to Ontario, less taxes and non-restrictive linguistic bullshit.<br /><br />"We should be folkloric and speak white "<br /><br />I don't know what you mean by folkloric but I assume it relates to the imaginative fables that make up the nationalist world view. Also, you ARE white. And guess what??? You are the same kind of white that colonized the First Nations, African nations, Indochina, brought slaves to the Americas and built an empire on the resources and labour of non-white peoples. You are also representing a social and political system that forcibly assimilates immigrants and polices them to make sure they speak the language of your choice. There isn't a single western nation that employs such tactics. Quebec is a throwback to 19th century colonialism and the racism inherent in a system that viewed its own cultural values as superior to those with whom it came into contact. Essentially, you are exactly what you're trying to get away from and in desperate need of intense political therapy.<br /><br />"Maybe go to Toronto to tell to the English speaking that We will replace the English signs by other language too "<br /><br />It wouldn't surprise me if you did. Quebecers have had the audacity to make the same demands in Florida as well as in parts of Ontario.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-21217937450720105402010-04-15T20:38:18.166-04:002010-04-15T20:38:18.166-04:00''So pack up your French signs and get off...''So pack up your French signs and get off the island of Montreal because the majority here rejects 101 and the xenophobic nationalism that supports it"<br /><br />Maybe go to Toronto to tell to the English speaking that We will replace the English signs by other language too !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-87187638577712732262010-04-15T19:57:33.064-04:002010-04-15T19:57:33.064-04:00To anonymous 15 april, 2010, 6:42 am ''So ...To anonymous 15 april, 2010, 6:42 am ''So pack up your French signs and get off the island of Montreal because the majority here rejects 101 and the xenophobic nationalism that supports it'' <br />So if I see that you understand why we want our own country ! For the same reason than you ! Xenophobic Canadian nationalism- We should be folkloric and speak white in your narrow minded ! And for your information Montréal statistics were at last census in 2006 ''Montréal (RMR) Québec<br />Total Sexe masculin Sexe féminin Total Sexe masculin Sexe féminin<br />Population totale32 3 588 520 1 744 525 1 843 990 7 435 905 3 645 975 3 789 925 <br />Anglais seulement 425 635 208 600 217 035 575 555 282 845 292 710 <br />Français seulement 2 328 400 1 123 670 1 204 735 5 877 660 2 875 665 3 001 990 <br />Anglais et français 26 855 12 780 14 075 43 335 21 135 22 200 <br />Autre(s) langue(s)33 807 630 399 480 408 145 939 350 466 330 473 020<br /><br />http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2006/dp-pd/prof/92-591/details/page.cfm?Lang=F&Geo1=CMA&Code1=462__&Geo2=PR&Code2=24&Data=Count&SearchText=montr%E9al&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=All&Custom=<br /><br /><br />French is by far the language the more talk in La région métropolitaine de Montréal. Sorry, i think your attacks are free and just xenophobic !:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-83119453319713886882010-04-15T06:42:44.618-04:002010-04-15T06:42:44.618-04:00"Democracy, the majority ? :)"
Which ma..."Democracy, the majority ? :)"<br /><br />Which majority are you refering to? The country as a whole or the province only? I suspect it's the latter. In that case, if majority is to be determined by the narrow-minded regionalism that Quebecers favour then the same principle can be applied to smaller sectors were a majority in that area can exercise its democratic rights. So pack up your French signs and get off the island of Montreal because the majority here rejects 101 and the xenophobic nationalism that supports it.<br />Then again, we all know that when a supporter of 101 refers to democracy, it's only as it pertains to Francophones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-75373744857650655562010-04-14T21:13:52.243-04:002010-04-14T21:13:52.243-04:00''OFFICIAL'' Maybe you should read...''OFFICIAL'' Maybe you should read the ''Official texts''. It's not me that say that French is the ONLY OFFICIAL language IN QUÉBEC ! Voted by a parliament ? It means something ? Democracy, the majority ? :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-31035792850060645302010-04-12T10:52:11.372-04:002010-04-12T10:52:11.372-04:00"You can believe that God created the world, ..."You can believe that God created the world, but it exist an OFFICIAL SCIENTIFIC explanation ?"<br /><br />This doesn't seem to make any sense, or to have any relation whosoever to this discussion. If I can extrapolate anything from this to our discussion is that Quebec language laws are like religious laws (based more on faith than fact), and the "scientific explanation" is the reality on the ground, which these laws do not reflect.<br /><br />You are confusing the “official scientific explanation” with “official <i>political</i> explanation”. The former is based in meticulous and solid research (not always flawless, but generally trustworthy), whereas the latter is often based on personal agendas and political lust for power.adskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196014962059056067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-35344118897395846672010-04-12T09:27:04.794-04:002010-04-12T09:27:04.794-04:00"Keep your imperialistic speach for someone e..."Keep your imperialistic speach for someone else mister ! "<br /><br />Here we go again. The indigenous Francophone argument again. I know our grass is good in Quebec but I didn't think it was good enough to convert the French into a First Nations people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-22558533662744954922010-04-12T00:15:31.532-04:002010-04-12T00:15:31.532-04:00You can believe that God created the world, but it...You can believe that God created the world, but it exist an OFFICIAL SCIENTIFIC explanation ? Keep your imperialistic speach for someone else mister ! Sincerely yours !:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-57168878235447651792010-04-12T00:12:13.742-04:002010-04-12T00:12:13.742-04:00''but the reality is that in the time of g...''but the reality is that in the time of globalization, administrative boundaries yield ground to economic partnerships and mobility of professional labour.''<br /><br /> Is that official what you saying ? :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-72183867135185624792010-04-11T17:31:49.107-04:002010-04-11T17:31:49.107-04:00“they live on a territory where the OFFICIAL (and ...“they live on a territory where the OFFICIAL (and it's the only) language is French”<br /><br />What's "official" is often arbitrary. And it doesn't necessarily get followed, especially if it has little or no reflection in reality. Quebec language laws are the best example. 30 years have passed since 101 saw the light of day, and…Montreal se toujours anglicize…as in the early 70s…nothing changed…let’s extend 101 to Cegeps…maybe that will work (it won’t)<br /><br />You leverage your argument for French with 3 million Francophones north of Montreal and the decisions made in l’assemble nationale using these people’s support, but we cannot leverage our argument for English with 30 million English speakers just to the west of us, 2 million just to the east, and over 300 million just south of us. Not to mention over a million people in our city, Anglo, Allo, and Franco, who live their daily lives in English. That’s 350 million English speakers in the immediate vicinity that we are to treat like ghosts while 3 million French speaking farmers up north are to be treated as real and tangible. Why? Because we are under “Quebec’s jurisdiction”, the “official” primacy of one language over another, Charter of Ville de Montreal, basically some garbage that has been written on a piece of paper and dangled in our faces. But nothing apart from that. Certainly nothing substantial.<br /><br />You can teach us about “how our country works” by waving “official” decisions made in the “national” assembly, but the reality is that in the time of globalization, administrative boundaries yield ground to economic partnerships and mobility of professional labour. So someone living in Quebec “jurisdiction” is still surrounded by English and will surely need it. And maybe even live in it. Such is the reality that your “official” regulations choose to ignore.<br /><br />If I tell you that I don’t give a damn about what’s “official”, and tell you that I will continue living my life by paying attention only to what’s <i>real</i>, are you going to stop repeating the word “official”? By now it has become the most overused word in Quebec, next to the word “language”. How much longer are we to be bored with this thing?adskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196014962059056067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-86888034572549347752010-04-11T13:10:06.605-04:002010-04-11T13:10:06.605-04:00''... in Montreal where a large portion of...''... in Montreal where a large portion of the taxed population is NOT Francophone'' But they live on a territory where the OFFICIAL (and it's the only) language is French. Sorry for that but Montréal is A CITY and it's under ''The Charte de la Ville de Montréal (Charter of the Ville de Montréal. Québec is a province that share powers with the Federal government, like the 9 other ones and the 3 territories. Maybe i should teach you a little bit how your country work ? Sincerely yours ! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-35548663968179587792010-04-11T08:36:20.366-04:002010-04-11T08:36:20.366-04:00"they all receive money from the entire popul..."they all receive money from the entire population and the MAJORITY IS FRENCH SPEAKING"<br /><br />Well by that rationale, since the economic centre of the province is in Montreal where a large portion of the taxed population is NOT Francophone, and since the majority of big business that employ the Francophones in this province are in the hands of ethnic, anglo and out of province groups, maybe the majority should stfu and learn to speak a second language. Not to mention that since billions are filtered into Quebec every year by the rest of Canada, maybe you're not French at all but exactly the same as the ones who pay for your 'distinct society'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-53602407743495900642010-04-11T00:11:24.206-04:002010-04-11T00:11:24.206-04:00@anonymous 1:07pm
It is highly unlikely that Pari...@anonymous 1:07pm<br /><br />It is highly unlikely that Parizeau checked into the Jewish on account of his sons being Jewish through matrilineal descent. It probably had no bearing whatsoever on his decision. When you’re sick, you pick a place that can treat you best. I’m a (lapsed) Catholic but it doesn’t mean that I would run to St.Mary’s every time I needed to see a doctor. I bet Parizeau thought he could get the best care at the Jewish, so he put his political animosities aside, and checked into that hospital.<br /><br />What’s more interesting in regards to Parizeau’s ex-wife is how can a man marry a Jewish woman, spend a big chunk of his life with her, father the children with her, and then get up on the stage and rant about “le vote ethnique” and incite tensions (on the same night, B.Landry, possibly incited by the good old Jacques, lashed out at a Hispanic doorman in a downtown hotel, yelling something to the effect of “we lost because of the likes of you”). How do you reconcile living with a member of a minority group and at the same time being active in a populist, ethnocentric movement? I wonder how his ex-wife would have reacted to his 1995 speech had she been alive. It’d be very interesting to see.adskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196014962059056067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-2820769290952050232010-04-10T18:22:40.751-04:002010-04-10T18:22:40.751-04:00To adski: ''the lesser evil''
Ma...To adski: ''the lesser evil'' <br /><br />Maybe, you can go for a cure somewhere, if you see evil in political option, maybe you can go see a doctor ! I though the time of seeing evil in other opinion was from an other time but maybe you listen too much American or Stephen Harper speaches ! It looks like G.W. Bush ''against the evil'' What a dangerous guy you look like !?" :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-77489421117788747962010-04-10T18:18:42.549-04:002010-04-10T18:18:42.549-04:00For your information. It don't exist a English...For your information. It don't exist a English hospital in Québec because, they all receive money from the entire population and the MAJORITY IS FRENCH SPEAKING ! The French give money like other one at the Jewish hospital. It' s only normal to be served in the language of the MAJORITY. There's really a big problem of understanding !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-59389218759694028672010-04-10T16:03:06.330-04:002010-04-10T16:03:06.330-04:00Thanks for the link adskiThanks for the link adskiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-80615677579618494132010-04-10T13:07:16.368-04:002010-04-10T13:07:16.368-04:00I don't think it's suprising that Parizeau...I don't think it's suprising that Parizeau checked in at the Jewish Hospital... HIs children are potentially Jews, since his former wife was a Polish Jew. Also, if his attack was sudden, I don't think he had the luxury to be picky about where the ambulance would take him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-614316783154924962010-04-09T17:21:27.244-04:002010-04-09T17:21:27.244-04:00"people prefer to vote for A corrupted rather..."people prefer to vote for A corrupted rather that someone that been a Péquiste minister !"<br /><br />There were claims of corruption in Louise Harel's party too. As for the crackpot Bergeron, he didn't think the Americans ever landed on the moon either.Anglo Bashersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-27029656041921774902010-04-09T13:52:40.193-04:002010-04-09T13:52:40.193-04:00I stayed out of this election, but people must hav...I stayed out of this election, but people must have had their reasons for rejecting the third alternative. It might have had something to do with Bergeron’s separatist leanings and his belief in 9/11 conspiracy theories, amongst other things. <br /><br />Here’s a good article:<br /><br />http://www.themetropolitain.ca/articles/view/706adskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196014962059056067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-4556874970252935732010-04-09T12:05:50.101-04:002010-04-09T12:05:50.101-04:00What about Projet Montreal? Wouldn't they be t...What about Projet Montreal? Wouldn't they be the lesser evil?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-46170691320129654152010-04-09T09:17:36.815-04:002010-04-09T09:17:36.815-04:00"people prefer to vote for A corrupted rather..."people prefer to vote for A corrupted rather that someone that been a Péquiste minister !"<br /><br />The choice is not always between good and bad, but quite often in life it is between bad and worse. In the last municipal election Montrealers were asked to choose between and non-ideologically driven public administrator embroiled in a massive corruption scandal, and a devout pequiste ideologue. They made their choice and chose the lesser evil. For most of us, it was a bitter sweet victory, but a victory nonetheless.adskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196014962059056067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-83820465058048816572010-04-09T06:28:59.779-04:002010-04-09T06:28:59.779-04:00TO Tym_Machine, 2h37- ''The Bloc would be ...TO Tym_Machine, 2h37- ''The Bloc would be litterally killed by proportional representation.<br /><br />Just in Québec, they get 66% of all seats with only 40% of the vote.<br /><br />Talk about some Gérald Tremblay getting between other adversaries type of way of getting elected.''<br /><br />DO you know what means majority ? If it's only 40% of the vote they win the 66 % of seats. It's the Bloc that receive the MAJORITY of the same votes No parties want to change it because it give advantages when you get the power ! And it' funny when you talk of the election of Mr. Tremblay, I think it must be something to think about, when people prefer to vote for A corrupted rather that someone that been a Péquiste minister ! I think that being mayor of Montréal is not really a point in the debate of the political status of Québec. But it's a point of view ! Finally, maybe some people are just indoctrinate and that finish by causing real hurts to our city !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-33014378425286159572010-04-08T23:10:06.767-04:002010-04-08T23:10:06.767-04:00adski, this is National Post editorial (ironically...adski, this is National Post editorial (ironically archived in Vigile) saying that Mr. Parizeau sent his children to English private school.<br /><br />http://www.vigile.net/spip.php?page=archives&u=http://archives.vigile.net/ds-langue/docs/02-3-12-np.html<br /><br />Regarding the hipocrisy of the French language militants, I have another case in mind. This time in Imperatif français.<br /><br />Here:<br />http://www.imperatif-francais.org/bienvenu/articles/2010/quebec-un-etat-bilingue-2.html<br /><br />they protest about the inclusion of English language in government publications in Quebec.<br /><br />While here:<br />http://www.imperatif-francais.org/bienvenu/articles/2010/le-commissariat-aux-langues-officielles.html<br /><br />they protest about the exclusion of French language in government publication in British Columbia.<br /><br />So which one do they want? Do they want unilingual government publication according to the majority language of the relevant province or do they want all government publications in all provinces contain both English and French?Troynoreply@blogger.com