tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post2894369021191743668..comments2024-02-17T03:22:53.951-05:00Comments on No Dogs or Anglophones: Are Anglos Ready to Push Back?Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05699783315783642466noreply@blogger.comBlogger198125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-52323027567118584372012-05-03T15:23:04.089-04:002012-05-03T15:23:04.089-04:00There's really nothing more sickening then the...<i>There's really nothing more sickening then the Quebecois' selective memory when it comes to who was here first. </i><br /><br />Definitely, as Myidoru stated, in her synopsis of what she saw at the museum, pretending that this is French land, as if the natives weren't here 2000 years before them.<br /><br /><i>They see only what they want to see and demand respect at every turn when they give none.<br /></i><br /><br />This is a major problem in Quebec. Bill 101 is a very disrespective law that says that French must be predominant to English, there are restrictions for English language schooling, that there are language police, etc. This is why people are not as open to the French culture as they would be, otherwise. You will never be able to force someone to love your culture.<br /><br /><i> I hardly think coming here and kicking the Native peoples off their own land, out of their homes and forcing them to speak French was RESPECTFUL.</i><br /><br />Exactly, but francophones like to gloss over this because if they are not victims in the story, the story doesn't exist. I wouldn't say trying to force them to convert to the white man's religion is respectful.<br /><br /><i> The Quebecois deserve to get what they give.</i><br /><br />Unfortunately, French Quebeckers are a pampered lot. They haven't suffered any consequences for their laws and attitudes. They get billions of dollars of equalization, protectionism in the form of laws in the dairy industry, more money than what they fairly should get in the area of immigration, the offical languages act, and yet they still have the audacity to say they're shafted! (They can't entirely be faulted. 70% of them don't speak English and are captive to the French media and politicians that misinform them)Roger Rabbitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-39419645953113816672012-05-03T15:06:52.745-04:002012-05-03T15:06:52.745-04:00It's all politics, Taxandria. If French Quebec...It's all politics, Taxandria. If French Quebeckers only speak French and are always afraid of the English, they will vote for a certain political party out of fear. Add to this of course, the French media, which in it's own self-interest like frightened little unilingual French Quebeckers because they will be forced to buy their newspapers, listen to their radio, and watch their TV. Et voila! Captive audience and you don't have to afraid of losing readership/ratings. French Quebeckers don't know how insular they are.Roger Rabbitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-1162837419357149032012-05-03T15:00:55.579-04:002012-05-03T15:00:55.579-04:00Being born here and having been lucky enough to go...Being born here and having been lucky enough to go through the anglophone school system, I never had the chance of being indoctrinated (thank God!). I've always been curious, though, what nonsense is being "taught" to people in the francophone system and in francisation classes. (I've always figured they always try to show people how francophones are always victims)Roger Rabbitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-74749060673224649922012-05-03T14:15:03.322-04:002012-05-03T14:15:03.322-04:00"I'm a good person so I always obey the l..."I'm a good person so I always obey the law."<br /><br />So you don't ever speed? You actually go 30 kph in every 30 zone? If you do my hat's off to you, mon amie!Taxandriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09550839036868561393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-29086505327431653152012-05-03T11:38:41.721-04:002012-05-03T11:38:41.721-04:00"Not the natives, or those other races who ar..."Not the natives, or those other races who arrived alongside the french."<br /><br />There's really nothing more sickening then the Quebecois' selective memory when it comes to who was here first. They see only what they want to see and demand respect at every turn when they give none. I hardly think coming here and kicking the Native peoples off their own land, out of their homes and forcing them to speak French was RESPECTFUL. The Quebecois deserve to get what they give.Taxandriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09550839036868561393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-83411015639074319092012-05-03T11:35:21.495-04:002012-05-03T11:35:21.495-04:00I'm American, married to a Canadian and living...I'm American, married to a Canadian and living in Quebec. I had no idea things were this bad here. I feel like I moved to a third-world country and time-warped to the 50's or maybe the 60's. My perspective is unique in that since I am an American citizen, I can live and work in the USA and I don't have to stay in Quebec or even Canada. I have a "way out" as it were. I see people here freaking out over the little things like languages and see the big structures of their lives crumbling (literally the tunnels and roads and the health care problems, doctor shortages, corruption and beaurocracy etc.) I am actually incredibly sad for those French who limit themselves and their children by hating English so much. English is vitally important and it's sad to think so many kids will be "stuck" in Quebec their whole lives and stuck with this ridiculous picayune crap they focus on. There's a whole world out there and it seems the Quebecois are terrified of it.Taxandriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09550839036868561393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-50227646391168129802012-04-30T13:50:08.678-04:002012-04-30T13:50:08.678-04:00Myidoru, you got it right. As immigrants that deci...Myidoru, you got it right. As immigrants that decided to settle in Qc, we got the same indoctrination in the francisation classes. Oh joy... that was fun. Too bad that most of the people from those classes were inclined to draw their own conclusions. It really reminded me of the propaganda classes during the communism - ech!Tanya Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-69042481198289325192012-04-30T11:33:21.347-04:002012-04-30T11:33:21.347-04:00I get the overwhelming impression that being told ...I get the overwhelming impression that being told all ones life in quebec only schools and media a one-sided, heavily edited version of history, emotionally laden to 'steer' youth to believe they are not only under constant threat, but were peaceful innocents, attacked by corrupt evil that must be destroyed, makes it real enough to them that no logic or fact or non-quebec history book will be anything other than an evil plot and 'english propoganda for the war on the french.' I do not actually think any of my new friends can be convinced that there is no war, no-one cares, and our history books say nothing emotional or unkind. We sang french songs and learned about snowshoes, we did not recite a list of any wrong we could imagine and edit out each time we behaved the same. We COULD. The history of my ancestors out west was horrifying. None of us are petty or self indulgent enough to waste time crying about it now, we never use it as an excuse for bad behaviour or to harm others or to get special rights, we all moved on. I am sometimes cornered and asked, 'what do they say about us in Alberta??' with the confrontational, yet ready to be vindicated tone of zealots, perched to launch another hate diatribe on me, and eager for fodder. I tell them,' nothing. No-one cares. I heard you eat meat pie'. This only results in ranting to 'educate me' about the insidious plots against the french, because I am obviously as uneducated and ignorant as they were told by the separatist run media all the hillbillies in Alberta are. How thoughtful. <br /><br />Having studied Archaeology in Italy, I was happy to go to the museum here. Have you seen the video? It is voiced by ;the land' and 'the land' loves the french, who are 'her people'. Not the natives, or those other races who arrived alongside the french. Who are all outsiders, evil invaders, or irrelevant. The french were the only settlers here! Did you know? When there were difficulties with settlements of other cultures, the non-existent settlements must suddenly have appeared fully fledged from thin air! And wars were lost by other cultures apparently dropping in that very day from space! I had no idea they were also lone founders of things in america! And my god, the happy, thankful natives loved those deadly jobs building structures for france, they jumped to have them, because they were so nimble! I felt sad when the cry voice told me about the english existing, never noticed the irish, scottish or spanish being unmentioned, and felt happy when it cried joyfully about the french settling ( the land's TRUE PEOPLE)- and when they used the same scary monster voice for the british as for the onset of the great depression, I was suitably horrified by these monsters. How thoughtful to provide this framework for each attendee at the museum of history, before entering.Myidorunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-49036634292145031082012-04-25T11:17:31.849-04:002012-04-25T11:17:31.849-04:00As a little FARM town sitting on an island, which ...As a little FARM town sitting on an island, which was btw called Vill-marie, it was french. but as the industrialized city we know today, it never was and never will be. 99.5% of Montreal was built after the conquest...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-24415604706873513412012-04-23T10:19:52.300-04:002012-04-23T10:19:52.300-04:00Sandy McTire,
If there is ONE thing we know with ...Sandy McTire,<br /><br /><b>If there is ONE thing we know with CERTAINTY from observing the last 50 years of Quebec politics, re : Vive le Quebec Libre, an independent Quebec would be a lot less libre than Quebec as a part of Canada.</b><br /><br />If I may add: independent Quebec would also be less French than the Canadian province of Quebec.Troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09960771543572680283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-58278474595436022842012-04-23T01:38:17.174-04:002012-04-23T01:38:17.174-04:00BlueBlancRouge,
I wrote this comment about one or...BlueBlancRouge,<br /><br />I wrote this comment about one or two years ago in this blog.<br /><br />I read the financial statements of both McGill and UdeM. Nothing fancy, just took a look at their profit & loss and balance sheet. I found that the over financing arguments favored by the separatists are not true.<br /><br />In per-student basis, UdeM receives from the provincial government more than McGill. Multiply that with the number of students UdeM has (UdeM is the second largest Canadian university after U of T), provincial government money to UdeM is multiple times bigger than it is to McGill. Income from the federal government is relatively similar.<br /><br />However, McGill has bigger revenue than UdeM. What are the main sources? Two things. Donations and research funds. Donations to McGill from individuals, organizations and corporations are head and shoulder above UdeM. So are research funding. That means that McGill researchers and professors bring in much more money.<br /><br />I have not done my comparison between Concordia and UQAM but I suspect the result will not be much different. After all, the provincial government bailed UQAM out on its real-estate fiasco and Concordia managed to build a high-rise building for its business school on its own.Troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09960771543572680283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-46995708073986664832012-04-23T01:21:57.387-04:002012-04-23T01:21:57.387-04:00Tanya and The Cat,
This is my experience from fir...Tanya and The Cat,<br /><br />This is my experience from first-hand sources, including myself. Why a number of people choose to immigrate under the Quebec program? Very simple. Quebec program is substantially easier and faster than the federal program. Practically the main thing Quebec program asks is the ability to speak French. And that just means that when the applicant is interviewed at the Delegation general, he can answer the interviewer. Just that. An intensive course at Centre culturel francaise or Alliance francaise is enough to prepare an applicant.<br /><br />So, for some people the Quebec program is a backdoor to Canada. Remember, under the Constitution every Canadian citizen and permanent resident has the right to move anywhere in Canada. So, one applies for Quebec program, lands himself at Trudeau, then take the next flight out to his true destination. He only needs a Quebec address for the delivery of the Permanent Resident Card.Troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09960771543572680283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-68514647989513935102012-04-23T00:59:58.362-04:002012-04-23T00:59:58.362-04:00None, great idea.None, great idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-32504463573435747672012-04-22T23:43:11.397-04:002012-04-22T23:43:11.397-04:00It's pretty ridiculous that an old woman would...It's pretty ridiculous that an old woman would complain when she is being served in French at a Belle Province because the owner spoke to her husband in English. She was being served in French, for heaven's sake!<br /><br />It's getting to be more about getting rid of English from the public space than protecting French, which is a very totalitarian thing to do.<br /><br />At some point, people have to stop listening to the politicians who like to govern based on fear and the media which focuses on controversy to get ratings/readership.Roger Rabbitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-72116666760526319832012-04-22T23:18:57.679-04:002012-04-22T23:18:57.679-04:00You know, there's a place in Chinatown that I ...You know, there's a place in Chinatown that I go to get my hair cut. Normally, I would have to pay 15$ or so + tax + tip =20$. However, this places charges 6$, 7$, and 9$ for different things (I don't know what the different things are because the business card is in Chinese characters) but it seems her mostly Chinese customers (which I am not) give her 6$. <br /><br />Now, I know the Chinese lady knows "Hello" and "Bonjour" and "Byebye" and sometimes she says "you cut?" and laughs and motions to the the front of my hair and she knows "shorter" but besides that, I don't know if she can speak either language. And guess what? I don't care. She is just trying to make a living, she does as good or a better job than when I pay 20 bucks for a haircut and instead I pay 8$ (6$+2$ tip because I think 8 is a lucky number for Chinese people and means something like eternity). <br /><br />I don't tell her "This is Canada. We speak English here." I don't tell her, "This is Quebec. We speak French here." I just live and let live and I am happier for it (and 12$ richer)<br /><br />Last time I left, I said "sheeesheee" because I think that means "Thank you" and she put her hands together and said "sheeesheee" back and seemed happy that I made that effort. <br /><br />People should remember to be human before anything else.Roger Rabbitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-28140542600540218132012-04-22T22:35:45.273-04:002012-04-22T22:35:45.273-04:00You have posted out of date info "Anonymous&q...You have posted out of date info "Anonymous" Apr 20, 2012 12:22PM (à la Michel Patrice)<br /><br />The results of a <a href="http://www.vigile.net/Anglos-have-seen-the-enemy-and-it" rel="nofollow">poll by Léger Marketing</a> for the Association for Canadian Studies and The Gazette published in April 2012:<br /><br />"With admirable candour, <b>51 per cent of Québécois</b> admitted that most members of their linguistic community <b>do not “feel positively” about the English</b>, to 43 per cent who claimed they did. So the 71 per cent of us English who think that most Québécois don’t “feel positively” about us aren’t imagining things."<br /><br />Here, they classify Québécois to mean French-Québécois.Roger Rabbitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-48690306317402205022012-04-22T20:59:56.631-04:002012-04-22T20:59:56.631-04:00I know! Korean corner stores are ubiquitous across...I know! Korean corner stores are ubiquitous across North America and anglos have been accustomed for ages to being served often with little more than a "hello" and "thank you". The archetype of newcomers trying to establish a foothold here is the fabled <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Hand_Laundry_Alliance" rel="nofollow">Chinese laundry</a>, which has virtually disappeared and been replaced by depanneurs as the kind of job that people with limited language skills flock to. Francos should be happy that they can’t get served properly in their language... that’s what happens all over the rest of the developed world too! Stop prattling about it being a “lack of respect”, for Pete’s sake! So insecure!The Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03505395670925907216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-28527615480258049052012-04-22T20:57:06.088-04:002012-04-22T20:57:06.088-04:00There always were and still are quite a few anglos...There always were and still are quite a few anglos in that community, despite what people think.Laurienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-51490296540346256492012-04-22T20:11:20.363-04:002012-04-22T20:11:20.363-04:00Maybe somebody can also tally the number of conven...Maybe somebody can also tally the number of convents and seminaries that were built in Quebec and outside Quebec rather than building hospitals and universities...The Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03505395670925907216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-34397166678339868992012-04-22T20:06:50.968-04:002012-04-22T20:06:50.968-04:00@AnonymousApr 20, 2012 09:43 AM
The Editor posted...@AnonymousApr 20, 2012 09:43 AM<br /><br />The Editor posted this video a couple months back (on 13/2/12, in fact). Although it's an oldie, it's still a goodie. I don't know where you're from originally but this was the view of Quebec that was broadcast across America back in 1998 by the esteemed U.S. television news magazine, "60 Minutes":<br /><br /><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7380105n" rel="nofollow">War of Words</a>The Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03505395670925907216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-58217642042714790002012-04-22T20:02:44.767-04:002012-04-22T20:02:44.767-04:00I had heard that before but didn't know if it ...I had heard that before but didn't know if it was true. I'm not that surprised though. Montreal East was home to a lot of working class anglos around the turn of the 20th century. My great-grandfather was from Austria and worked at the Angus shops building locomotives. He lived in MOntreal East and was one of those immigrants who ended up in the Anglo community because of his work, I suppose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-31442540648769646772012-04-22T19:42:37.696-04:002012-04-22T19:42:37.696-04:00"That's not actual ethnic cleansing. Nobo..."That's not actual ethnic cleansing. Nobody was forced to move. In the late 1970s after bill 101 was passed there even were commercials in English on TV and ads in the Gazette explaining was bill 101 was about to reassure Anglophones. The Quebec government actually wanted them to stay."<br /><br />That's not true. The father of Bill 101 himself, Camille Laurin, said that he wanted to reduce the number of Anglophones in Quebec. Bill 101 forced Anglos out of Quebec on a massive scale, so it did result in ethnic cleansing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-41812647125703616682012-04-22T19:34:25.361-04:002012-04-22T19:34:25.361-04:00"The worst that can happen is probably just s..."The worst that can happen is probably just someone visiting your store and telling you nicely that it would be nice to your customers if you had signs that also had French on them."<br /><br />OQLF inspectors are not nice. They harass and fine businesses that are violating the bigotted language laws until they fall in line or leave Quebec (this happens frequently).<br /><br />"...that's a story unrelated to the one above involving citizens filing complaints which is their right and it's something that is encouraged by the government."<br /><br />In most free and civilized countries around the world the government doesn't encourage people to anonymously inform on their fellow citizens. And those accused of wrongdoing have the right to confront their accusers in a court of law, which is not the case here. Quebec is really just a neo-fascist police state.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-33310872296454925812012-04-22T19:11:35.844-04:002012-04-22T19:11:35.844-04:00"There is one french-only hosptial in ontario..."There is one french-only hosptial in ontario (Montford, that the racists anglos tried to close in the 1990's) while there is 11 anglo hospital in quebec."<br /><br />"There is 3 anglo university in quebec, only a small single french one in the ROC (in Moncton)."<br /><br />This may have something to so with the fact that while Francophones were spending all of their time and money building enormous churches and supporting huge families, Anglophones were busy building hospitals and universities.<br /><br />In Ottawa there are also Saint Paul University and the University of Ottawa which serve the Francophone community.<br /><br />At least two Anglophone hospitals (the Reddy Memorial and the Queen Elizabeth) and scores of English schools have been closed down in Quebec because of the racist Quebecois.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-38175748129339049532012-04-22T18:55:52.564-04:002012-04-22T18:55:52.564-04:00Quebec nationalists/separatists like to claim that...Quebec nationalists/separatists like to claim that their "nation" isn't really part of Canada. I suppose the RCMP shouldn't take any steps to protect them either if they are threatened or assaulted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com