tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post2235788647317876607..comments2024-02-17T03:22:53.951-05:00Comments on No Dogs or Anglophones: English Cegep Study - A Case of Weird ScienceEditorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05699783315783642466noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-72685014057115224342011-04-05T19:37:46.907-04:002011-04-05T19:37:46.907-04:00A NEWBIE VIEW:
I've only lived in Canada for ...A NEWBIE VIEW:<br /><br />I've only lived in Canada for five years (three years in university, in the early nineties, and now here for the last two), so I'm sure I don't really "get" all the tension between Francophone and Anglophone here. But, as an outsider, I have noticed something, and perhaps it's important.<br /><br />I've looked at a lot of comment/blog posts on this topic, and there is a clear and distinct difference in tone, between the two communities' posts. <br />The Anglophones generally seem irritated, dismissive and condescending -- the tone is one of impatience and disdain; on the other hand, the Francophones appear extremely-defensive, prideful and stubbornly unwilling to give an inch.<br />It is hard to see how ANY two groups with such attitudes towards one another could ever come to reasonable compromises that might resolve these tensions.<br />But I guess the real question then is this: does anyone involved actually want compromise? It doesn't look like it.<br />I get the feeling that Anglo-Canadians never took Quebecois grievances seriously, and have always dismissed Quebec's local culture and regional identity as trivial and disposable features of what should be just another piece of anglo-Canada. I may well be wrong about that, but that's how it feels when I look back at older discussions (from the sixties and seventies).<br />On the other hand, it seems that particularly since the sixties, the attitudes of the Quebecois have been so defiant, legalistic, and 'exclusivist' that they have only put off people who might have been sympathetic to begin with. And again, I may very well be off base here.<br /><br />I just don't see ANY history of real conversation, real empathy, real effort at understanding or reconciliation when I read all the blogs, posts and old newspaper excerpts. <br /> <br />And whose fault is this? <br />It would be too easy to answer, "everyone's". If there were a catholic school, and a small group of attending jewish kids felt alienated by the majority, would it be THEIR responsibility to prove their assimilation? Or would the majority of students have a responsibility to go out of their way to be inclusive and accepting of "the differences"? I suppose the former would be a more conservative view (let the minority struggle to be among us), while the latter would be a more liberal view (the majority should take special care to incorporate the minority, differences and all). Depending on which of these you take, the blame lies in different quarters.<br />But surely all Canadians could agree that more effort is needed, right? Maybe even from both sides?<br />So then, WHAT GOOD IS A BLOG SITE LIKE THIS ONE?<br />Doesn't it just make the chasm deeper and wider, and less likely to ever be crossed? Here you take out your hostility towards an entire community, and yet your primary argument seems to be that THAT community is hostile to you. Go figure.<br />Please feel free to tell me that as an outsider I don't know what I'm talking about (it may be true to some great degree); but please, first, take seriously my comments. Sometimes it's useful to see through 'new eyes'.<br /><br />(Note: I'm gonna spend six weeks all over Quebec, starting in late May -- I'll let you know if I experience any of the anti-anglo sentiment so well-described here.)<br /><br />- LaurenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-38432277155515395382010-10-01T15:04:28.896-04:002010-10-01T15:04:28.896-04:00Actually English is an official language of Quebec...Actually English is an official language of Quebec. Despite Bob Bourassa saying its not in 1974. That was an illegal act that still contradicts so many of quebecs own laws. Language of the Assembly is French or English, No laws can be passed without English translation. The quebec flag itself has a repsentation of English on it. There are enough ex english speakers (1st official language) in the rest of Canada to make problems for Quebec they day that they make their voices heard is the day Bill 101 is out the window. dada r baapAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-23704460902998129362010-09-17T23:55:14.401-04:002010-09-17T23:55:14.401-04:00Here's an interesting article- perhaps it shou...Here's an interesting article- perhaps it should be a post;<br /><br />http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/sep/14/french-pop-sing-in-englishAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-22709369363346492742010-09-17T23:09:59.366-04:002010-09-17T23:09:59.366-04:00To Anon @ 9:55
It is obvious that ' Steve Bar...To Anon @ 9:55<br /><br />It is obvious that ' Steve Barker' is an 'agent provocateur.' Of course it is of no matter errors in English, unless someone is pretending to be what he or she is not.<br /><br />Steve Barker is a fraud!!!!!Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05699783315783642466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-75296591181438719832010-09-17T21:55:56.766-04:002010-09-17T21:55:56.766-04:00@Monsieur l'éditeur
Vous contrevenez vous-mêm...@Monsieur l'éditeur<br /><br />Vous contrevenez vous-même a vos propres réglements:<br /><br />Ne jamais tenir compte des fautes orthographiques et cela inclu les erreurs de frappe ou d'inattention.Non?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-77021152224039192792010-09-17T21:26:21.100-04:002010-09-17T21:26:21.100-04:00BUSTED!!!
No anglo, no matter how illiterate woul...BUSTED!!!<br /><br />No anglo, no matter how illiterate would say <br />"ear" instead of "hear"<br /><br />TaDa!!! Give it up!!!!!Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05699783315783642466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-72806840628957308552010-09-17T20:03:20.165-04:002010-09-17T20:03:20.165-04:00Sorry Mr Adski, but I have a job, family and frien...Sorry Mr Adski, but I have a job, family and friends so I can't take to much time to discuss on a blog. I can still tell you that among Anglophones 10 % are sovereignists and you'll ear our voice when it'll be the time.Steven Barkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-32447397426493528472010-09-17T19:29:31.368-04:002010-09-17T19:29:31.368-04:00@Ratablavadski aka Mr.Plot
Steven n'a jamais ...@Ratablavadski aka Mr.Plot<br /><br />Steven n'a jamais parlé de Montéal mais bien du Québec.Encore une fois,un peu de concentration Monsieur Adski!Quand JE parle de petit ménage et puisque vous mentionnez les seventies,je fais allusion a une certaine loi que les vrais Québécois ont adoptés losqu'ils en ont eu ras le bol de l'envahissement anglo...un peu comme ces jours-ci.Capich?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-79262570411756683602010-09-17T18:57:12.590-04:002010-09-17T18:57:12.590-04:00Paris Guy dit: À Anonyme September 17, 2010 1:31 P...Paris Guy dit: À Anonyme September 17, 2010 1:31 PM- Êtes-vous sérieux avec vos propos complètement dans le champs ? Vous pensez réellement que la prospérité s'acquiert avec l'anglais, sortez-moi des études sérieuses... Finalement, laissez-nous donc faire avec Montréal, la deuxième plus grande ville française du monde (titre à valorisé davantage, d'après-moi)!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-83483550157671884752010-09-17T18:56:59.296-04:002010-09-17T18:56:59.296-04:00@Steve Barker
I don't believe for a second th...@Steve Barker<br /><br />I don't believe for a second that you’re an Anglophone. Not for a second. But since there is no way to prove it either way, you can hide under your fake nickname and we can move on...<br /><br />First, when you talk about a "Quebec war", note that noone was fighting this war except for nationalist Francophones. Everyone else just tried to live their lives while navigating around the laws that kept popping up right and left.<br /><br />Second, when you talk about winning this "war", you must be joking. Or contradicting yourself as all Dartagnan clones do. Because what I keep hearing is that 101 needs to be extended to private primary schools, private secondary schools, Cegeps, day cares, etc...What I keep hearing is that Montreal is back to what it used to be in the 1970s. What I keep hearing is that French is in decline in Montreal. What I keep seeing is movements like MMF calling Quebeckers to arms. What I keep hearing is that 101 is not respected... What I just saw written on this board is this: "Les prochaines années seront encore plus restrictives a ce niveau.Il est temps de refaire un petit ménage dans notre ville." - something that implies that the "war" is still in full swing. And this might have even been written by you, who knows. We all know that you language warriors are prone to contradictions.<br /><br />So here is your chance to do some good: explain to me why 101 needs to be extended across the board if the "war" waged since 1976 has been, as you say, “won”...I'm all ears.adskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196014962059056067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-44263097630719627212010-09-17T18:24:10.834-04:002010-09-17T18:24:10.834-04:00@Steven
Tu es chez toi mon ami.Je crois bien que ...@Steven<br /><br />Tu es chez toi mon ami.Je crois bien que c'est la première que je lis une chose pareil.Vraiment ahurissant.J'espère juste que ce n'est pas un canular.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-75318035081052795432010-09-17T17:19:46.656-04:002010-09-17T17:19:46.656-04:00To Anonymus 4:23 PM
You say "language IS the...To Anonymus 4:23 PM<br /><br />You say "language IS the business of Anglophones". I seem to hear my supremacist grandfather died several years ago. <br /><br />We are no longer in the 1960s. It's just normal now to speak French at work and public space. It's clear we lost the Quebec war. So we are in THEIR province.<br /><br />Finally, Steven Barker is my real name. I'm the fifth generation established in Quebec. And yes I'm PROUD to be an Anglo who believes that Quebec should become a country.Steven Barkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-10875536627925496232010-09-17T16:56:13.568-04:002010-09-17T16:56:13.568-04:00To Dartagnan (yes, it's you!) at 4:36 PM:
&qu...To Dartagnan (yes, it's you!) at 4:36 PM:<br /><br />"Désolé bigotte mais la loi c'est la loi."<br /><br />Your multiple comments on this blog have easily defined you as a flaming racist...more so than anyone else.<br /><br />Nazi Germany had laws too. That doesn't mean they were reasonable, justifiable or acceptable. Hopefully the Supreme Court of Canada will continue to water down Quebec's fascist language laws.Anglo Bashersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-47707557127630732972010-09-17T16:36:17.653-04:002010-09-17T16:36:17.653-04:00"The Quebecois have no business forcing Frenc..."The Quebecois have no business forcing French upon so many aspects of the lives of Anglophones."<br /><br />Désolé bigotte mais la loi c'est la loi.Les prochaines années seront encore plus restrictives a ce niveau.Il est temps de refaire un petit ménage dans notre ville.Va falloir t'habituer mon coco!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-1824799837370810692010-09-17T16:23:02.016-04:002010-09-17T16:23:02.016-04:00To Steven Barker (I doubt that's your real nam...To Steven Barker (I doubt that's your real name):<br /><br />Language IS the business of Anglophones. English is one of the official languages of Canada, and Quebec is a Canadian province. The Quebecois have no business forcing French upon so many aspects of the lives of Anglophones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-81680868123577009842010-09-17T16:21:05.434-04:002010-09-17T16:21:05.434-04:00@Steven Barker
Thank you Steven you're a smar...@Steven Barker<br /><br />Thank you Steven you're a smart guy.I hope your anglo fellows will take your advice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-70860446646607392912010-09-17T16:04:40.378-04:002010-09-17T16:04:40.378-04:00To Anonymus 1:31 PM
You seem to be an English lan...To Anonymus 1:31 PM<br /><br />You seem to be an English language zealot. I must say I'm fed up of that kind of people. What Quebecois want or don't want is not our business. Stop talking to them about language. I repeat, it's not our business. <br /><br />Steven BarkerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-82898702098490248142010-09-17T15:09:28.012-04:002010-09-17T15:09:28.012-04:00"If this is the case then why does bill 101 s..."If this is the case then why does bill 101 specifically exclude a francophone or allophone from attending an english school to learn a second language"<br /><br />Dans les écoles subventionnées par l'État Québécois.C'est-a-dire publiques et bientôt privée car subventionnées a 65% par les contribuables.<br /><br />De plus pourquoi une deuxième langue serait-elle nécessairement l'anglais.L'Espagnole,a mon avis, sera beaucoup plus pratique dans les prochaines décennies,ensuite le Mandarin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-18826125776655007602010-09-17T14:31:55.963-04:002010-09-17T14:31:55.963-04:00"Personne n'empêche personne d'appren..."Personne n'empêche personne d'apprendre une autre langue au Québec.Arrêtez de répendre ces faussetés."<br /><br />If this is the case then why does bill 101 specifically exclude a francophone or allophone from attending an english school to learn a second language? You statemtent is again, a contradiction. eg: No one is stopping you from learning a second or third language providing it is not english. Je croire que, vous ete plein de merde avec ton commentaires.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-13098141340869030942010-09-17T14:02:27.944-04:002010-09-17T14:02:27.944-04:00I like this one:
"There is not one people in...I like this one:<br /><br />"There is not one people in Canada. There are two peoples. Quebec is a people and Canada is another people and we have our territory. That is why Canada is divisible, Quebec un-divisible" - Gerald Larose<br /><br />Alors Monsieur kiki prouvez-nous le contraire de l'étude qui a été commandée par l'État Québécois en ce sens....Nous attendons avec impatience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-17510140732344860442010-09-17T13:55:55.208-04:002010-09-17T13:55:55.208-04:00"Every single student in Holland, Finland, De..."Every single student in Holland, Finland, Denmark, Sweden..."<br /><br />Vous avez omi en élément d'importance majeure dans votre énoncée : Ces pays n'ont pas été colonisés par l'Angleterre...Oups!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-68128952207984666262010-09-17T13:45:05.495-04:002010-09-17T13:45:05.495-04:00@Dr. Dave
Ce ne sont pas les médias qui sont en c...@Dr. Dave<br /><br />Ce ne sont pas les médias qui sont en cause mais bien leur contenu.Les différents médias en ligne ou par satellites ne sont que des canaux de transmission.<br /><br />En ce sens ils représentent des outils de communications par excellence au service de l'hégémonie linguistique anglo-saxonne.<br /><br />Le Québec n'est pas le seul pays a lutter contre ce monopole a tendance Homogénisante des cultures et des langues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-8250727660047433322010-09-17T13:35:31.238-04:002010-09-17T13:35:31.238-04:00Dr.Dave: "I can`t even imagine what kind of a...Dr.Dave: "I can`t even imagine what kind of arguments they`ll use!"<br /><br />I like this one:<br /><br />"There is not one people in Canada. There are two peoples. Quebec is a people and Canada is another people and we have our territory. That is why Canada is divisible, Quebec un-divisible" - Gerald Larose<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_Quebecadskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196014962059056067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-34036641744157104292010-09-17T13:31:49.872-04:002010-09-17T13:31:49.872-04:00Quote:
Personne n'empêche personne d'appr...Quote:<br /><br />Personne n'empêche personne d'apprendre une autre langue au Québec.Arrêtez de répendre ces faussetés.L'État Québécois n'a pas a payer pour l'apprentissage d'une seconde ou d'une troisième langue.<br /><br />Many civilized countries provide 2nd and 3rd language instruction to their citizens in school.<br /><br />Every single student in Holland, Finland, Denmark, Sweden, and other such countries is presented with the opportunity to learn English (and often an additional language) at the expense of the state.<br /><br />Somehow they are not scared of teaching their populations English. Traveling in Denmark using only English is probably more practical than in many rural regions of Quebec (or the East end of Montreal Island ;) )<br /><br />In many of those countries there are now University programs offered in English. Many businesses operate in English as they want to attract employees from all over the world (or at least all of Europe) instead of limiting themselves to the local labor pool.<br /><br />If you are so interested in being completely surrounded by French why don't you set up an area somewhere far from Montreal that will have that. Then leave Montreal alone and let it blossom into an economic powerhouse that it used to be and still has potential to be. Collect taxes from it and pay for your French paradise in the boonies. Everyone is going to be happy.<br /><br />If Montreal becomes 100% francisized it will stop producing economically and then the whole province of Quebec will have to be wearing used clothes and eat ramen noodles with poutine as a special treat on holidays. <br /><br />Please don't destroy Montreal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7963035472241877292.post-21321891719576275202010-09-17T12:15:11.992-04:002010-09-17T12:15:11.992-04:00Networked_Gestalt_Intellect_For_Sovereingty
N'...Networked_Gestalt_Intellect_For_Sovereingty<br /><br />N'ayez craintes, pas seulement (votre) monde mais l'univers en entier.<br /><br />Corrigé!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com